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This should cause Jenrick problems but will it? – politicalbetting.com

SystemSystem Posts: 12,212
edited September 29 in General
imageThis should cause Jenrick problems but will it? – politicalbetting.com

Robert Jenrick, who is the favourite to be the next Conservative party leader, received £75,000 from a firm which has no employees, has never made a profit and has £332,000 in debts after taking a loan from an untraceable British Virgin Islands company https://t.co/9xVksRJEC8

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  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,112
    edited September 21
    These comments from Jenrick are pretty awful too.

    https://bsky.app/profile/jdportes.bsky.social/post/3l4ld2zmnvc2e

    And first too.

  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,709
    No, because if all the other crimes and mistakes he's admitted to don't affect his polling a bit more won't hurt.

    Like Trump, in that way at least.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,420
    Foxy said:

    These comments from Jenrick are pretty awful too.

    https://bsky.app/profile/jdportes.bsky.social/post/3l4ld2zmnvc2e

    And first too.

    Horrendous racism from Jenrick. Boris Johnson is an example of someone born abroad who was occupying London housing!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,864
    It is more who the Virgin Islands company is a front for that is the issue. I suppose Jenrick can at least say he is more pro City of London and financial services sector than Labour and more pro developers and new housing than the LDs
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,895
    Will the least corrupt Member of the House of Commons turn out the lights on their way out.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,632
    If the Tories want to ascend to the moral high ground and gaze down upon those less worthy they probably shouldn't choose Robert Jenrick.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,709

    Will the least corrupt Member of the House of Commons turn out the lights on their way out.

    I think Diogenes wouldn't even bother to try with his lamp.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,864
    Foxy said:

    These comments from Jenrick are pretty awful too.

    https://bsky.app/profile/jdportes.bsky.social/post/3l4ld2zmnvc2e

    And first too.

    Shameless maybe but social homes for British born people will have appeal, especially with white working class Leavers

  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,172
    Foxy said:

    These comments from Jenrick are pretty awful too.

    https://bsky.app/profile/jdportes.bsky.social/post/3l4ld2zmnvc2e

    And first too.

    JD Jenrick.
  • Will the least corrupt Member of the House of Commons turn out the lights on their way out.

    On their way to the House of Lords?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,172
    After yesterday's Microsoft news, Amazon Web Services is hiring nuclear engineers.

    Get building those SMRs.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,112
    edited September 21
    HYUFD said:

    Foxy said:

    These comments from Jenrick are pretty awful too.

    https://bsky.app/profile/jdportes.bsky.social/post/3l4ld2zmnvc2e

    And first too.

    Shameless maybe but social homes for British born people will have appeal, especially with white working class Leavers

    A 65 year old Jamaican in London social housing was born British, and had the free movement to legally move to Britain.

    But you are correct. Whipping up racism may be a viable electoral strategy.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,433
    David Lammy showing a rather alternative view of history:

    https://x.com/BBCPolitics/status/1513915874008252423
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,895
    Foxy said:

    These comments from Jenrick are pretty awful too.

    https://bsky.app/profile/jdportes.bsky.social/post/3l4ld2zmnvc2e

    And first too.

    So, is the situation with social housing in London that essentially no-one has been able to get social housing since the Windrush generation, and so a lot of London social housing is occupied by British citizens who immigrated when Britain asked for their help after the War?

    And we now have racist knobheads like Jenrick using the British-born statistic as a way of suggesting that half of London social housing is occupied by foreigners who have arrived much more recently.

    Perhaps I should be thankful that we're still at the truthiness stage where people making racist and dishonest arguments at least think that there has to be some connection to reality in the alternative facts they are using, however tenuous, and not simply completely fabricating things.
  • David Lammy showing a rather alternative view of history:

    https://x.com/BBCPolitics/status/1513915874008252423

    Does he employ Morris Dancer as his history teacher?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,172
    Early voting started yesterday in the U.S.
    Turnout in Virginia reported as brisk (around double from 2020, but ... pandemic back then).
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,112
    Nigelb said:

    Early voting started yesterday in the U.S.
    Turnout in Virginia reported as brisk (around double from 2020, but ... pandemic back then).

    Lots of younger women in the voting line too.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,970
    Foxy said:

    These comments from Jenrick are pretty awful too.

    https://bsky.app/profile/jdportes.bsky.social/post/3l4ld2zmnvc2e

    And first too.

    Should make him a shoo-in. He and Farage can arm wrestle for who ends up leader of the grand coalition. More of their supporters should be out of jail by then.
  • Obviously this is more of a real problem, because someone is going to great lengths to hide their donation.

    But for the neo-puritans, this donation is probably OK because it's for a serious thing labelled campaigning expenses, rather than an apparently frivolous thing like expensive clothes.

    Plus, it's a Tory doing it.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 13,213
    HYUFD said:

    Foxy said:

    These comments from Jenrick are pretty awful too.

    https://bsky.app/profile/jdportes.bsky.social/post/3l4ld2zmnvc2e

    And first too.

    Shameless maybe but social homes for British born people will have appeal, especially with white working class Leavers

    Especially when they start eating the cats. Just imagine.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,945
    edited September 21
    Good morning, everyone.

    F1: just a flying visit for an early pre-qualifying mini-ramble.

    And, with that, I'm off. Have a nice day, everyone. May your wardrobes be snazzy and ethically sourced ;)
  • Jenrick's suit appears to have the water-resistant properties of a duck's back.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,172
    .

    David Lammy showing a rather alternative view of history:

    https://x.com/BBCPolitics/status/1513915874008252423

    Does he employ Morris Dancer as his history teacher?
    MD's errors tend to be of interpretation rather than dates and facts.
    With Lammy, it tends to be the other way round.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,465
    edited September 21
    What if we apply the Richie Benaud principle to the contest, TSE? You know, the one he used when captain of Australia. What, he would ask himself, does my opponent least want me to do?

    If I were SKS, I think I would least like the Tories to choose Cleverly. Then maybe Tugendhat.

    Jenrick would be my best bet, but Badenoch would do.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,236

    Foxy said:

    These comments from Jenrick are pretty awful too.

    https://bsky.app/profile/jdportes.bsky.social/post/3l4ld2zmnvc2e

    And first too.

    So, is the situation with social housing in London that essentially no-one has been able to get social housing since the Windrush generation, and so a lot of London social housing is occupied by British citizens who immigrated when Britain asked for their help after the War?

    And we now have racist knobheads like Jenrick using the British-born statistic as a way of suggesting that half of London social housing is occupied by foreigners who have arrived much more recently.

    Perhaps I should be thankful that we're still at the truthiness stage where people making racist and dishonest arguments at least think that there has to be some connection to reality in the alternative facts they are using, however tenuous, and not simply completely fabricating things.
    It bothers me with Trump that people think they need to fact check his statements when the biggest objection is their vileness not their lack of accuracy.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,514
    The people who jet around the world demand everybody else stop jetting

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/09/21/gary-lineker-emma-thompson-eco-campaign-hypocrite-jet-set/
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,709

    David Lammy showing a rather alternative view of history:

    https://x.com/BBCPolitics/status/1513915874008252423

    Does he employ Morris Dancer as his history teacher?
    Mr Eagles

    The first paragraph is an awesome opening, but for the record it was Anna Coke who married Charles Paget Tennant.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,172

    What if we apply the Richie Benaud principle to the contest, TSE? You know, the one he used when captain of Australia. What, he would ask himself, does my opponent least want me to do?

    If I were SKS, I think I would least like the Tories to choose Cleverley. Then maybe Tugendhat.

    Jenrick would be my best bet, but Badenoch would do.

    But what if you were Ed Davey ?
    Or (perish the thought) Farage ?
  • What if we apply the Richie Benaud principle to the contest, TSE? You know, the one he used when captain of Australia. What, he would ask himself, does my opponent least want me to do?

    If I were SKS, I think I would least like the Tories to choose Cleverley. Then maybe Tugendhat.

    Jenrick would be my best bet, but Badenoch would do.

    On a meta-level, parties ready to ask themselves the Benaud question (which is an excellent one) might be ready for government next time. In part, because it requires an acknowledgement that other viewpoints are available and are potentially valid.

    There may be Conservatives thinking that way, but I don't see or hear much evidence that they are numerous.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,112
    edited September 21
    Roger said:

    Foxy said:

    These comments from Jenrick are pretty awful too.

    https://bsky.app/profile/jdportes.bsky.social/post/3l4ld2zmnvc2e

    And first too.

    Should make him a shoo-in. He and Farage can arm wrestle for who ends up leader of the grand coalition. More of their supporters should be out of jail by then.
    British born is an interesting euphemism. It glosses over more than it reveals.

    Take Badenoch for example. Born in Wimbledon a year before Mrs Thatchers nationality act that required British ancestry, so a British born citizen, though only returning to Britain from Nigeria at 16 for 2 years schooling and to establish residence for domestic university fees rather than overseas fees.

    All entirely within the rules of course, and Kemi is honest enough to describe herself as "to all intents and purposes a first-generation immigrant".

  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,514
    Interview with Angela Rayner. She thinks Keir will be popular in 5 years time.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/sep/21/keir-starmer-popularity-ratings-will-bounce-back-angela-rayner-insists
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,433

    The people who jet around the world demand everybody else stop jetting

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/09/21/gary-lineker-emma-thompson-eco-campaign-hypocrite-jet-set/

    Like SKS, they think they're more important than us mere plebs.
  • Nigelb said:

    What if we apply the Richie Benaud principle to the contest, TSE? You know, the one he used when captain of Australia. What, he would ask himself, does my opponent least want me to do?

    If I were SKS, I think I would least like the Tories to choose Cleverley. Then maybe Tugendhat.

    Jenrick would be my best bet, but Badenoch would do.

    But what if you were Ed Davey ?
    Or (perish the thought) Farage ?
    Haven't a clue.

    I have only so much imagination, Nigel.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,632

    The people who jet around the world demand everybody else stop jetting

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/09/21/gary-lineker-emma-thompson-eco-campaign-hypocrite-jet-set/

    Being on here saves me buying the Telegraph, I will say that.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,514

    What if we apply the Richie Benaud principle to the contest, TSE? You know, the one he used when captain of Australia. What, he would ask himself, does my opponent least want me to do?

    If I were SKS, I think I would least like the Tories to choose Cleverley. Then maybe Tugendhat.

    Jenrick would be my best bet, but Badenoch would do.

    On a meta-level, parties ready to ask themselves the Benaud question (which is an excellent one) might be ready for government next time. In part, because it requires an acknowledgement that other viewpoints are available and are potentially valid.

    There may be Conservatives thinking that way, but I don't see or hear much evidence that they are numerous.
    I thought you believed saying nothing in opposition was clever politics ?
  • ydoethur said:

    David Lammy showing a rather alternative view of history:

    https://x.com/BBCPolitics/status/1513915874008252423

    Does he employ Morris Dancer as his history teacher?
    Mr Eagles

    The first paragraph is an awesome opening, but for the record it was Anna Coke who married Charles Paget Tennant.
    Oops, I used her married name, fixed now.

    But I too like that opening paragraph.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 28,394
    edited September 21
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  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,864

    What if we apply the Richie Benaud principle to the contest, TSE? You know, the one he used when captain of Australia. What, he would ask himself, does my opponent least want me to do?

    If I were SKS, I think I would least like the Tories to choose Cleverly. Then maybe Tugendhat.

    Jenrick would be my best bet, but Badenoch would do.

    Depends who your opponent is? Starmer probably least wants Cleverly, Davey least wants Tugendhat both would prefer to face Jenrick or Badenoch.

    Farage on the other hand probably least wants Jenrick or Badenoch and would prefer Cleverly or Tugendhat
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,514
    kinabalu said:

    The people who jet around the world demand everybody else stop jetting

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/09/21/gary-lineker-emma-thompson-eco-campaign-hypocrite-jet-set/

    Being on here saves me buying the Telegraph, I will say that.
    I thought the Mail was your bugbear ? Why is it you lefties cant bear looking at a different opinion ? Some times theyre wrong and sometimes theyre right. I can quite happily read something in the Guardian.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,420
    Reform UK MP faces backlash for giving away salary: https://www.ft.com/content/1524138f-585a-438a-a467-b1cae523f3e1
  • mercatormercator Posts: 815

    ydoethur said:

    David Lammy showing a rather alternative view of history:

    https://x.com/BBCPolitics/status/1513915874008252423

    Does he employ Morris Dancer as his history teacher?
    Mr Eagles

    The first paragraph is an awesome opening, but for the record it was Anna Coke who married Charles Paget Tennant.
    Oops, I used her married name, fixed now.

    But I too like that opening paragraph.
    Still says Paget

    And to be fair the donkey show was a subsequent visit, not the honeymoon
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,112
    edited September 21

    ydoethur said:

    David Lammy showing a rather alternative view of history:

    https://x.com/BBCPolitics/status/1513915874008252423

    Does he employ Morris Dancer as his history teacher?
    Mr Eagles

    The first paragraph is an awesome opening, but for the record it was Anna Coke who married Charles Paget Tennant.
    Oops, I used her married name, fixed now.

    But I too like that opening paragraph.
    Yep, it's a cracker 👏
  • What else can she say?

    And if the Starmer Hangover Cure works, if people feel better off and our surroundings and services are better than they are now, I suspect Starmer will be... if not loved, respected enough. And the early troubles will be seen as the teeth coming through.

    Of course, plenty of people think that it won't work because it can't work. But the Deputy PM isn't going to say that, is she?
  • SandraMcSandraMc Posts: 701
    Dodgy Bobby. I've said it before and I'll keep saying it. The Conservatives would be mad to select him - but then they selected Liz Truss.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,012
    Yes, and public debt will be falling as a share of GDP in 5 years time too. Who can doubt it?
  • TimSTimS Posts: 13,213

    kinabalu said:

    The people who jet around the world demand everybody else stop jetting

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/09/21/gary-lineker-emma-thompson-eco-campaign-hypocrite-jet-set/

    Being on here saves me buying the Telegraph, I will say that.
    I thought the Mail was your bugbear ? Why is it you lefties cant bear looking at a different opinion ? Some times theyre wrong and sometimes theyre right. I can quite happily read something in the Guardian.
    Not sure you read his post right.
  • Interesting long form piece on why UK productivity is so shit.

    Foundations - Why Britain has stagnated
    https://ukfoundations.co/
  • kinabalu said:

    The people who jet around the world demand everybody else stop jetting

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/09/21/gary-lineker-emma-thompson-eco-campaign-hypocrite-jet-set/

    Being on here saves me buying the Telegraph, I will say that.
    Other way round. I signed up for the Telegraph in order to follow pb links.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,012
    SandraMc said:

    Dodgy Bobby. I've said it before and I'll keep saying it. The Conservatives would be mad to select him - but then they selected Liz Truss.

    And Iain Duncan Smith. Let's face it, the membership of the Conservative and Unionist party is simply not fit for purpose.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,514

    What else can she say?

    And if the Starmer Hangover Cure works, if people feel better off and our surroundings and services are better than they are now, I suspect Starmer will be... if not loved, respected enough. And the early troubles will be seen as the teeth coming through.

    Of course, plenty of people think that it won't work because it can't work. But the Deputy PM isn't going to say that, is she?
    On what basis will he be loved ? He has no charisma, is currently reinforcing a view of flip flopping self interest and has no policies to fall back on. It's this last which is the bigger problem he set out no stall prior to the election except that he was morally better and more competent. That's taken a hit. So now he's left reacting to events and has used up a big chunk of his political capital. Despite the massive majority he is heading in to lame duck land. The early contact with PM Starmer has left the voters sceptical
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,172

    Nigelb said:

    What if we apply the Richie Benaud principle to the contest, TSE? You know, the one he used when captain of Australia. What, he would ask himself, does my opponent least want me to do?

    If I were SKS, I think I would least like the Tories to choose Cleverley. Then maybe Tugendhat.

    Jenrick would be my best bet, but Badenoch would do.

    But what if you were Ed Davey ?
    Or (perish the thought) Farage ?
    Haven't a clue.

    I have only so much imagination, Nigel.
    I see HYUFD has dived into that murk.

    Point being that the next election might just be crazier than this one.
    Two party politics could reassert itself - or it might, if Labour mess up in government, continue to fall apart.
  • What if we apply the Richie Benaud principle to the contest, TSE? You know, the one he used when captain of Australia. What, he would ask himself, does my opponent least want me to do?

    If I were SKS, I think I would least like the Tories to choose Cleverley. Then maybe Tugendhat.

    Jenrick would be my best bet, but Badenoch would do.

    On a meta-level, parties ready to ask themselves the Benaud question (which is an excellent one) might be ready for government next time. In part, because it requires an acknowledgement that other viewpoints are available and are potentially valid.

    There may be Conservatives thinking that way, but I don't see or hear much evidence that they are numerous.
    I thought you believed saying nothing in opposition was clever politics ?
    Even by your standards, that's a heck of a strange comeback.

    But since you ask, I suppose it's possible that the Conservatives are playing a massive bluff, making a load of noise about choosing Jenrick to indulge their id, rather than someone who will cause the government problems.

    But it's not likely, is it?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,632
    edited September 21

    What if we apply the Richie Benaud principle to the contest, TSE? You know, the one he used when captain of Australia. What, he would ask himself, does my opponent least want me to do?

    If I were SKS, I think I would least like the Tories to choose Cleverly. Then maybe Tugendhat.

    Jenrick would be my best bet, but Badenoch would do.

    Niche opinion from me. Robert Jenrick is focused and ambitious and he's a smooth communicator. I backed him at long odds soon after he pulled his 'resigning over immigration' stunt. That was done with a view to the leadership and it impressed me (on that level). He's a near cert now, I'd say, and there's a good chance he'll be a success. I think his plan is to win from the right and then tack hard to the centre. The Con equivalent of what SKS did in Labour. He's the best risk/reward choice for the Tories imo.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,420
    Foxy said:

    Roger said:

    Foxy said:

    These comments from Jenrick are pretty awful too.

    https://bsky.app/profile/jdportes.bsky.social/post/3l4ld2zmnvc2e

    And first too.

    Should make him a shoo-in. He and Farage can arm wrestle for who ends up leader of the grand coalition. More of their supporters should be out of jail by then.
    British born is an interesting euphemism. It glosses over more than it reveals.

    Take Badenoch for example. Born in Wimbledon a year before Mrs Thatchers nationality act that required British ancestry, so a British born citizen, though only returning to Britain from Nigeria at 16 for 2 years schooling and to establish residence for domestic university fees rather than overseas fees.

    All entirely within the rules of course, and Kemi is honest enough to describe herself as "to all intents and purposes a first-generation immigrant".

    Conservatives Tobias Ellwood, Crispin Blunt, Marcus Fysh, Paul Beresford, Rehman Chishti and Greg Hands all lost their seats at the election, but were born abroad. Rory Stewart was also born abroad.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,632

    kinabalu said:

    The people who jet around the world demand everybody else stop jetting

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/09/21/gary-lineker-emma-thompson-eco-campaign-hypocrite-jet-set/

    Being on here saves me buying the Telegraph, I will say that.
    I thought the Mail was your bugbear ? Why is it you lefties cant bear looking at a different opinion ? Some times theyre wrong and sometimes theyre right. I can quite happily read something in the Guardian.
    It's the amount of fiction in there that you have to be wary of.
  • mercator said:

    ydoethur said:

    David Lammy showing a rather alternative view of history:

    https://x.com/BBCPolitics/status/1513915874008252423

    Does he employ Morris Dancer as his history teacher?
    Mr Eagles

    The first paragraph is an awesome opening, but for the record it was Anna Coke who married Charles Paget Tennant.
    Oops, I used her married name, fixed now.

    But I too like that opening paragraph.
    Still says Paget

    And to be fair the donkey show was a subsequent visit, not the honeymoon
    Oh I thought it was during the honeymoon, I needed an excuse to get in sex with a donkey and donkey sanctuary Starmer.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,496
    Omfg
  • mercatormercator Posts: 815
    https://amp.theguardian.com/business/2024/sep/21/rachel-reeves-budget-ifs-income-tax-national-insurance-vat

    "Labour’s tax red lines have left Reeves with ‘one hand tied’ for budget, says IFS
    Ruling out of rises to four main taxes could lead chancellor to make ‘economically damaging’ decisions, says thinktank"

    The red lines and the absurd date make this budget the most difficult bit of politics in living memory.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,709

    mercator said:

    ydoethur said:

    David Lammy showing a rather alternative view of history:

    https://x.com/BBCPolitics/status/1513915874008252423

    Does he employ Morris Dancer as his history teacher?
    Mr Eagles

    The first paragraph is an awesome opening, but for the record it was Anna Coke who married Charles Paget Tennant.
    Oops, I used her married name, fixed now.

    But I too like that opening paragraph.
    Still says Paget

    And to be fair the donkey show was a subsequent visit, not the honeymoon
    Oh I thought it was during the honeymoon, I needed an excuse to get in sex with a donkey and donkey sanctuary Starmer.
    The actual honeymoon seems to have featured a cock fight rather than an ass fuck.

    Yes, you read that right but it's not what it seems...
  • mercatormercator Posts: 815

    kinabalu said:

    The people who jet around the world demand everybody else stop jetting

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/09/21/gary-lineker-emma-thompson-eco-campaign-hypocrite-jet-set/

    Being on here saves me buying the Telegraph, I will say that.
    Other way round. I signed up for the Telegraph in order to follow pb links.
    Firefox with Bypass Paywalls Clean extension
  • DavidL said:

    Yes, and public debt will be falling as a share of GDP in 5 years time too. Who can doubt it?
    After all, Hunt must have left a detailed realistic plan to achieve just that, not just a line crayoned on a bit of graph paper.

    Didn't he? After all, if he didn't, those NI cuts were irresponsible pre-election bribes.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,112
    mercator said:

    https://amp.theguardian.com/business/2024/sep/21/rachel-reeves-budget-ifs-income-tax-national-insurance-vat

    "Labour’s tax red lines have left Reeves with ‘one hand tied’ for budget, says IFS
    Ruling out of rises to four main taxes could lead chancellor to make ‘economically damaging’ decisions, says thinktank"

    The red lines and the absurd date make this budget the most difficult bit of politics in living memory.

    Yes, they were stupid red lines to lay out that completely hobble the new government. It was part of the Ming vase strategy, so perhaps successful, but unwise nonetheless.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,895
    edited September 21

    Interesting long form piece on why UK productivity is so shit.

    Foundations - Why Britain has stagnated
    https://ukfoundations.co/

    Yes. @Nigelb shared that yesterday. Always worth noting when two PBers independently share something.

    On the one hand, I feel this should be required reading for every MP. On the other, looks instantly like communication from a crank were I to print it off and post it to mine.

    A bit of a quandary.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,496
    There’s a liberal left US podcast which is LISTENING IN TO PB in realtime and talking about us

    Were famous!!!

    http://sndup.net/54g66
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,514
    edited September 21

    What if we apply the Richie Benaud principle to the contest, TSE? You know, the one he used when captain of Australia. What, he would ask himself, does my opponent least want me to do?

    If I were SKS, I think I would least like the Tories to choose Cleverley. Then maybe Tugendhat.

    Jenrick would be my best bet, but Badenoch would do.

    On a meta-level, parties ready to ask themselves the Benaud question (which is an excellent one) might be ready for government next time. In part, because it requires an acknowledgement that other viewpoints are available and are potentially valid.

    There may be Conservatives thinking that way, but I don't see or hear much evidence that they are numerous.
    I thought you believed saying nothing in opposition was clever politics ?
    Even by your standards, that's a heck of a strange comeback.

    But since you ask, I suppose it's possible that the Conservatives are playing a massive bluff, making a load of noise about choosing Jenrick to indulge their id, rather than someone who will cause the government problems.

    But it's not likely, is it?
    In the run up to the election I constantly criticised Starmer for saying very little. Clever politics you told me as say nothing while your enemy is making a mistake. While that works for a campaign it doesnt work for a government, you need some things to hang your hat on and Starmer doesnt have much as he did no prepration. Now "events" have overwhelmed him and he will be on the back foot.

    AS it is I think the Tories will also need to come out with what theyre about, but theyre in no rush to do so and need to have a leader first. So they have the advantage of letting their enemy making mistakes.

    Roll on 30 October.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,172

    Interesting long form piece on why UK productivity is so shit.

    Foundations - Why Britain has stagnated
    https://ukfoundations.co/

    Yes, it is; I also posted that yesterday.

    Even if you think the thesis overdetermined, it's still quite persuasive.
    And the interesting thing about it is that the policy implications shouldn't be a problem for any political party (with the exception of the anti-growth tendency).
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,632

    kinabalu said:

    The people who jet around the world demand everybody else stop jetting

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/09/21/gary-lineker-emma-thompson-eco-campaign-hypocrite-jet-set/

    Being on here saves me buying the Telegraph, I will say that.
    Other way round. I signed up for the Telegraph in order to follow pb links.
    That shows I never click, doesn't it. You got me. :smile:
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,514
    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    The people who jet around the world demand everybody else stop jetting

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/09/21/gary-lineker-emma-thompson-eco-campaign-hypocrite-jet-set/

    Being on here saves me buying the Telegraph, I will say that.
    I thought the Mail was your bugbear ? Why is it you lefties cant bear looking at a different opinion ? Some times theyre wrong and sometimes theyre right. I can quite happily read something in the Guardian.
    It's the amount of fiction in there that you have to be wary of.
    You can say that about any media outlet. They have time to fill and sometimes there is no news so they have to run "views"..

    You seem to have adopted the four legs good two legs bad approach to life.
  • What if we apply the Richie Benaud principle to the contest, TSE? You know, the one he used when captain of Australia. What, he would ask himself, does my opponent least want me to do?

    If I were SKS, I think I would least like the Tories to choose Cleverley. Then maybe Tugendhat.

    Jenrick would be my best bet, but Badenoch would do.

    On a meta-level, parties ready to ask themselves the Benaud question (which is an excellent one) might be ready for government next time. In part, because it requires an acknowledgement that other viewpoints are available and are potentially valid.

    There may be Conservatives thinking that way, but I don't see or hear much evidence that they are numerous.
    I thought you believed saying nothing in opposition was clever politics ?
    Even by your standards, that's a heck of a strange comeback.

    But since you ask, I suppose it's possible that the Conservatives are playing a massive bluff, making a load of noise about choosing Jenrick to indulge their id, rather than someone who will cause the government problems.

    But it's not likely, is it?
    In the run up to the election I constantly criticised Starmer for saying very little. Clever politics you told me as say nothing while your enemy is making a mistake. While that works for a campaign it doesnt work for a government, you need some things to hang your hat on and Starmer doesnt have much as he did no prepration. Now "events" have overwhelmed him and he will be on the back foot.

    AS it is I think the Tories will also need to come out with what theyre about, but theyre in no rush to do so and need to have a leader first. So they have the advantage of letting their enemy making mistakes.

    Roll on 30 October.
    But then the obvious choice is Cleverly. Jovial and no discernable policy convictions. Jenrick is betting the house, now, on immigration being an issue 4-5 years down the line.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,934

    Will the least corrupt Member of the House of Commons turn out the lights on their way out.

    One of those departing earlier will have already sold the light fittings...
  • mercatormercator Posts: 815
    DavidL said:

    SandraMc said:

    Dodgy Bobby. I've said it before and I'll keep saying it. The Conservatives would be mad to select him - but then they selected Liz Truss.

    And Iain Duncan Smith. Let's face it, the membership of the Conservative and Unionist party is simply not fit for purpose.
    Its purpose was never the election of party leaders until that overrated idiot Hague made it so.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,496
    @LostPassword is famous in America!
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,112
    Leon said:

    There’s a liberal left US podcast which is LISTENING IN TO PB in realtime and talking about us

    Were famous!!!

    http://sndup.net/54g66

    That's actually a bit meta, commenting on our commenting!

    Quite an interesting perspective, what podcast is it snipped from?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,172
    Leon said:

    There’s a liberal left US podcast which is LISTENING IN TO PB in realtime and talking about us

    Were famous!!!

    http://sndup.net/54g66

    Pod Save America would be worth the exclamation marks.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,496
    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    There’s a liberal left US podcast which is LISTENING IN TO PB in realtime and talking about us

    Were famous!!!

    http://sndup.net/54g66

    That's actually a bit meta, commenting on our commenting!

    Quite an interesting perspective, what podcast is it snipped from?
    I know. Mad, right? I think it’s some podcast attached to NPR, they seem to read PB
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,709
    Leon said:

    @LostPassword is famous in America!

    It's overanalysing us like crazy.

    And they've missed about the honeymoon stuff.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,760

    Jenrick's suit appears to have the water-resistant properties of a duck's back.

    Jenners gets it. The others don't.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,012
    Dura_Ace said:

    Jenrick's suit appears to have the water-resistant properties of a duck's back.

    Jenners gets it. The others don't.
    But Jenners, sadly, closed down some time ago. Christmas hasn't been the same since.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,112
    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    There’s a liberal left US podcast which is LISTENING IN TO PB in realtime and talking about us

    Were famous!!!

    http://sndup.net/54g66

    That's actually a bit meta, commenting on our commenting!

    Quite an interesting perspective, what podcast is it snipped from?
    I know. Mad, right? I think it’s some podcast attached to NPR, they seem to read PB
    They would enjoy the Sunday Special on Trump.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,496
    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    There’s a liberal left US podcast which is LISTENING IN TO PB in realtime and talking about us

    Were famous!!!

    http://sndup.net/54g66

    That's actually a bit meta, commenting on our commenting!

    Quite an interesting perspective, what podcast is it snipped from?
    I know. Mad, right? I think it’s some podcast attached to NPR, they seem to read PB
    They would enjoy the Sunday Special on Trump.
    They actually mention the “cat eating”. So they must have read earlier threads. Hah!
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,709
    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    There’s a liberal left US podcast which is LISTENING IN TO PB in realtime and talking about us

    Were famous!!!

    http://sndup.net/54g66

    That's actually a bit meta, commenting on our commenting!

    Quite an interesting perspective, what podcast is it snipped from?
    I know. Mad, right? I think it’s some podcast attached to NPR, they seem to read PB
    They would enjoy the Sunday Special on Trump.
    It's a shame they didn't wait for today's Kremlin bot to turn up. Imagine them analysing how this shows the British are all crazed anti-vaxxers who hang on everything that spews from Putin's undersized cock.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,012

    DavidL said:

    Yes, and public debt will be falling as a share of GDP in 5 years time too. Who can doubt it?
    After all, Hunt must have left a detailed realistic plan to achieve just that, not just a line crayoned on a bit of graph paper.

    Didn't he? After all, if he didn't, those NI cuts were irresponsible pre-election bribes.
    No he didn't, it was an aspiration not a plan. But, as has been pointed out before, the NI tax cuts were nothing of the sort. It was a redistribution of existing taxes which actually went up in that budget overall. One that I actually agreed with because it reduced the tax differential between earned and unearned income. We are still in the bizarre position where the latter is favoured.
  • TresTres Posts: 2,723

    Just like expenses, it appears that once you become an MP, your moral compass gets switched off, and the pursuit of money over and above your earned wage becomes paramount.
    Political donations are perfectly legitimate as long as they are declared, above board and used for campaigning/running the office and suchlike.
    Where it starts to stink is the sheer amount of freebies MPs seem to attract, no matter what party they represent.
    If the PM needs a clothing allowance for them and a partner, then fair enough, make it part of the package and showcase the best of British, but can a cabinet minister really not afford to buy their own clothes?
    Now the other freebies are bit more stinky and complicated.
    No such thing as a free lunch and all that.
    Footie tickets and Swifty tickets? Get to fuck, they should be buying their own.
    Things like Charity Ball tickets are maybe more acceptable, but it's complicated.
    Ed Davey taking cash to care for his kid? A tough one, but on balance, I don't like it.
    Farage off to the States to support an injured mate? Unacceptable.
    It's gone on for years, but it needs to be stricter and all the freebies stopped.
    Free Gear Keir and Vicky Sponge have done us all a favour by really highlighting it.

    THh thing is, MPs and cabinet ministers are wildy underpaid compared to their peers in any other walk of life. All this caterwauling is just going to make it an even more unattractive profession for talented people to consider.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,496
    ydoethur said:

    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    There’s a liberal left US podcast which is LISTENING IN TO PB in realtime and talking about us

    Were famous!!!

    http://sndup.net/54g66

    That's actually a bit meta, commenting on our commenting!

    Quite an interesting perspective, what podcast is it snipped from?
    I know. Mad, right? I think it’s some podcast attached to NPR, they seem to read PB
    They would enjoy the Sunday Special on Trump.
    It's a shame they didn't wait for today's Kremlin bot to turn up. Imagine them analysing how this shows the British are all crazed anti-vaxxers who hang on everything that spews from Putin's undersized cock.
    I want them to analyse the collective wisdom of @HYUFD and compare it to, say, @Dura_Ace and then summarise what that means about the UK political scene
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,760

    Jenrick is betting the house, now, on immigration being an issue 4-5 years down the line.

    Well, he's not likely to be wrong is he? SKS is going to do √fuck all about it except increase it - should such a thing be possible.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,792
    edited September 21
    Badenoch also has tons of random donations, so she will also be hairshirted in today’s ugly pile-on from the puritans from Toryherd.

    There will be nobody left! And to think it all started with “Labour donor gives Labour First Lady clothing allowance”.

    Funny old world!
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,082

    Interesting long form piece on why UK productivity is so shit.

    Foundations - Why Britain has stagnated
    https://ukfoundations.co/

    Yes. @Nigelb shared that yesterday. Always worth noting when two PBers independently share something.

    On the one hand, I feel this should be required reading for every MP. On the other, looks instantly like communication from a crank were I to print it off and post it to mine.

    A bit of a quandary.
    The content is pretty good. And fairly non partisan in its theme - if you want productivity growth, you need investment in infrastructure and equipment. If you don’t want to build anything then you can’t have that.

    One thing they didn’t mention - it so happened that, for offshore wind, the system for getting permission to build was streamlined.

    Not some childish, throw all the regulations in the bin stupidity. But the process to the goal of demonstrating that the planned development was ok was made simpler and clearer.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,760
    Leon said:

    ydoethur said:

    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    There’s a liberal left US podcast which is LISTENING IN TO PB in realtime and talking about us

    Were famous!!!

    http://sndup.net/54g66

    That's actually a bit meta, commenting on our commenting!

    Quite an interesting perspective, what podcast is it snipped from?
    I know. Mad, right? I think it’s some podcast attached to NPR, they seem to read PB
    They would enjoy the Sunday Special on Trump.
    It's a shame they didn't wait for today's Kremlin bot to turn up. Imagine them analysing how this shows the British are all crazed anti-vaxxers who hang on everything that spews from Putin's undersized cock.
    I want them to analyse the collective wisdom of @HYUFD and compare it to, say, @Dura_Ace and then summarise what that means about the UK political scene
    Have they mentioned our version of 9/11 yet? #neverforget #stillgrowinginourhearts #peoplessycamore


  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,972
    On topic. Forgive me for not understanding the appeal of Robert Jenrick.

    Lay the favourite?
  • pm215pm215 Posts: 1,153

    What if we apply the Richie Benaud principle to the contest, TSE? You know, the one he used when captain of Australia. What, he would ask himself, does my opponent least want me to do?

    If I were SKS, I think I would least like the Tories to choose Cleverley. Then maybe Tugendhat.

    Jenrick would be my best bet, but Badenoch would do.

    On a meta-level, parties ready to ask themselves the Benaud question (which is an excellent one) might be ready for government next time. In part, because it requires an acknowledgement that other viewpoints are available and are potentially valid.

    There may be Conservatives thinking that way, but I don't see or hear much evidence that they are numerous.
    I thought you believed saying nothing in opposition was clever politics ?
    Even by your standards, that's a heck of a strange comeback.

    But since you ask, I suppose it's possible that the Conservatives are playing a massive bluff, making a load of noise about choosing Jenrick to indulge their id, rather than someone who will cause the government problems.

    But it's not likely, is it?
    In the run up to the election I constantly criticised Starmer for saying very little. Clever politics you told me as say nothing while your enemy is making a mistake. While that works for a campaign it doesnt work for a government, you need some things to hang your hat on and Starmer doesnt have much as he did no prepration. Now "events" have overwhelmed him and he will be on the back foot.

    AS it is I think the Tories will also need to come out with what theyre about, but theyre in no rush to do so and need to have a leader first. So they have the advantage of letting their enemy making mistakes.

    Roll on 30 October.
    The thing about Labour is they could have both adopted the "say very little" strategy and *also* prepared carefully for government behind the scenes. But it's increasingly seeming like they didn't, or otherwise that they aren't managing to execute whatever they'd planned, which is disappointing.
  • DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Yes, and public debt will be falling as a share of GDP in 5 years time too. Who can doubt it?
    After all, Hunt must have left a detailed realistic plan to achieve just that, not just a line crayoned on a bit of graph paper.

    Didn't he? After all, if he didn't, those NI cuts were irresponsible pre-election bribes.
    No he didn't, it was an aspiration not a plan. But, as has been pointed out before, the NI tax cuts were nothing of the sort. It was a redistribution of existing taxes which actually went up in that budget overall. One that I actually agreed with because it reduced the tax differential between earned and unearned income. We are still in the bizarre position where the latter is favoured.
    I think that involves double-counting of the tax rises, though. Using them both to cut the deficit and to tilt away from NI.

    The state is still borrowing huge amounts, and the first call on the tax rises has to be to bring that down to manageable levels. Once that's happened, then we can talk about which taxes to reduce the pressure off.

    There's a lot to be said for treating all income from all people in the same way, and cutting NI rates while reducing ICT rates is one thing. But that's not what Hunt did.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 3,987
    Leon said:

    ydoethur said:

    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    There’s a liberal left US podcast which is LISTENING IN TO PB in realtime and talking about us

    Were famous!!!

    http://sndup.net/54g66

    That's actually a bit meta, commenting on our commenting!

    Quite an interesting perspective, what podcast is it snipped from?
    I know. Mad, right? I think it’s some podcast attached to NPR, they seem to read PB
    They would enjoy the Sunday Special on Trump.
    It's a shame they didn't wait for today's Kremlin bot to turn up. Imagine them analysing how this shows the British are all crazed anti-vaxxers who hang on everything that spews from Putin's undersized cock.
    I want them to analyse the collective wisdom of @HYUFD and compare it to, say, @Dura_Ace and then summarise what that means about the UK political scene
    I've got this week off - I might dig into a little tool to compare/contrast two PB usernames.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,114
    Leon said:

    ydoethur said:

    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    There’s a liberal left US podcast which is LISTENING IN TO PB in realtime and talking about us

    Were famous!!!

    http://sndup.net/54g66

    That's actually a bit meta, commenting on our commenting!

    Quite an interesting perspective, what podcast is it snipped from?
    I know. Mad, right? I think it’s some podcast attached to NPR, they seem to read PB
    They would enjoy the Sunday Special on Trump.
    It's a shame they didn't wait for today's Kremlin bot to turn up. Imagine them analysing how this shows the British are all crazed anti-vaxxers who hang on everything that spews from Putin's undersized cock.
    I want them to analyse the collective wisdom of @HYUFD and compare it to, say, @Dura_Ace and then summarise what that means about the UK political scene
    The podcast. It's mad. Is it AI? Or are real people sat there analysing our comments?
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,792
    edited September 21

    Obviously this is more of a real problem, because someone is going to great lengths to hide their donation.

    But for the neo-puritans, this donation is probably OK because it's for a serious thing labelled campaigning expenses, rather than an apparently frivolous thing like expensive clothes.

    Plus, it's a Tory doing it.

    Can someone explain why spending donations on ladieswear is any worse/different than spending it on iPads and iPhones?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,114
    Leon said:

    ydoethur said:

    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    There’s a liberal left US podcast which is LISTENING IN TO PB in realtime and talking about us

    Were famous!!!

    http://sndup.net/54g66

    That's actually a bit meta, commenting on our commenting!

    Quite an interesting perspective, what podcast is it snipped from?
    I know. Mad, right? I think it’s some podcast attached to NPR, they seem to read PB
    They would enjoy the Sunday Special on Trump.
    It's a shame they didn't wait for today's Kremlin bot to turn up. Imagine them analysing how this shows the British are all crazed anti-vaxxers who hang on everything that spews from Putin's undersized cock.
    I want them to analyse the collective wisdom of @HYUFD and compare it to, say, @Dura_Ace and then summarise what that means about the UK political scene
    Wait for the day they log on and we have spent three hours debating pineapples or whether a certain film is a christmas one!!
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,970
    Looks like a small but noticable move to the Dems.

    https://ig.ft.com/us-elections/2024/polls/
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