Being in the "centre-ground" effectively means you're not saying anything interesting. So this New Labour-esque strategy of rambling on about "spending discipline" and being too scared to argue for increased spending or other radical things (save the occasional isolated mildly anti-business measure) was always going to be a disaster for Ed, because if he's not saying anything distinctive or different to what people expect from politicians, then the only things people are going to notice about him are his funny voice and his funny looks. If he went in a more explicitly left-wing direction (and I have to say again, I really find the Westminster bubble's thoughts that he's set out some radical socialist platform to be hilarious, because I really don't think that's the public's perception ATALL) then atleast there'd be more things about him for people to focus on.
The fact that little Ed took so long to finally 'decide' he was against the bedroom tax is all the proof you need that the upper echelons of labour are still in thrall to the triangulation and fear to make any decision that they think shifts them away from the Blairite way of doing things.
Mliband is going to get hammered for being a socialist/communist by the right wing press regardless of what he says. So it's baffling why he feels the need to keep trying to walk the Blairite line of not saying too much and always defining yourself by your opponents policies.
Obviously you can't give the tories and the right wing press too many hostages to fortune but that press is increasingly unheeded by the public anyway. Little Ed needs to grab as many voters as possible from his own labour base and those lib dems who left in disgust at calamity Clegg and his tory/lib dem 'love in'. He won't do that by triangulating on every tory policy while copying their economic prescription of seemingly endless austerity.
Yikes! Those are truly horrifying numbers for the Unionist parties.
Euro VI - Scotland (+/- change from Euro 2009)
SNP 39% (+10) Lab 19% (-2) Con 13% (-4) LD 12% (n/c) Grn 8% (+1) UKIP 6% (+1) Ind 2% (+1)
Repeat - sub sample of 84 voters
Yet Another Mark Senior porkie. The Scottish sub-sample was 181.
Another Stuart Dickson porkie , although there were 181 in the whole Scottish sub sample only 84 were in their Euro poll 100% certain to vote figures .
Amateurish nonsense. On that basis the ComRes poll was not based on "2,001 GB adults", as clearly stated on their official website, but rather it was based on the 675 in their Euro poll 100% certain to vote figures.
Back to the drawing board for the dire Senior and his hopeless spin.
What is interesting is it doesn't seem to matter what muck the media dig up on Farage, UKIP HQ, and the "colorful" characters that are standing for election for them, it doesn't seem to do UKIP polling rating any harm at all.
If Farage can rile calamity Clegg enough in the TV debate then Clegg might just do as he did at the recent PMQ's with Harman and make himself look a bit of a chump. Amid all the focus on how Farage can snap and lose it when he get's angry, there seems to have developed bit of a blind spot to how that's just as true for Clegg and Cammie.
A good debate for Farage could pay off in a big way while Clegg's ostrich faction are fooling nobody with slightly improved ratings for Clegg which are still basically toxic.
I seem to recall that having Clegg as the face and main voice supporting AV didn't turn out too well for him, the lib dems or AV. So it's still a bit of a mystery why Clegg's spinners think having him as the face and voice of staying in Europe is all that wise a move. If it backfires then the fallout for the lib dems will be pretty damn hard to ignore.
The general consensus both within and without the Westminster bubble was that Cleggy demolished Harman at PMQ's this week
By which you really mean inside the bubble of Clegg's ostrich faction of inept spinners. -39! Whooopeee!
LOL
You should just accept that you are incapable of judging Clegg's performances in an unbiased manner.
100% unspoofable.
I should just accept the word of one of Clegg's inept and obsequious spinners, should I? Like 'fudge' I will.
As you so rightly said, "LOL ROFLMAO"
Nope you should take in the views of people such as Andrew Neil and the various guests on his programs in an attempt to cure you of your bias .
Andrew Neil a "cure" for bias? He is one of the worst spinners in UK politics. He quite literally killed The Scotsman with his preposterous bias.
Yikes! Those are truly horrifying numbers for the Unionist parties.
Euro VI - Scotland (+/- change from Euro 2009)
SNP 39% (+10) Lab 19% (-2) Con 13% (-4) LD 12% (n/c) Grn 8% (+1) UKIP 6% (+1) Ind 2% (+1)
Repeat - sub sample of 84 voters
Yet Another Mark Senior porkie. The Scottish sub-sample was 181.
Another Stuart Dickson porkie , although there were 181 in the whole Scottish sub sample only 84 were in their Euro poll 100% certain to vote figures .
A classic pb argument, passionately centred on the precise numbers of voters regarded as certain to vote who comprise the Scottish subsample of an opinion poll relating to the forthcoming European Elections.
Only pb can do this.
Sean.
It is a return to the dark ages of PB.
Mark Senior and Stuart Dickson arguing over the sizes of their sub-samples.
The other reasons Ed Miliband should reconsider taking part in the EU debate is that he can define himself against calamity Clegg and the lib dems as they will be the face and voice of this government. Since Clegg will self-evidently have to speak for and defend all the coalition government has done whether he and Cameron like it or not. If Clegg tries to posture against the tories that will be immediately pounced on by Farage and if Ed took part he would do so as well.
The other reason to take would be to cause maximum chaos inside the tory party. Having Clegg Miliband and Farage taking part while Cameron hid and cowered in fear would be an incredible spectacle. It would also hardly be missed by unhappy tory backbenchers who are still biding their time while they wait to see just how bad the May elections are for Cammie.
What are the backbenchers going to do force a leadership change so close to an election that is very much there to be won by Cammie. I know some of these fools are prone to show extreme disloyalty but surely they won't be to keen on another dose of Labour.
Would you like a recitation of all the times his own backbenchers have humiliated Cammie already? It's quite a list. They don't need to change the leader (they don't have the balls or the numbers to do that anyway) to make Cammie's life a misery as they have proved often enough before now. They want red lines and red meat on the EU and they will do something about it if May is bad for Cameron and the tories.
Yikes! Those are truly horrifying numbers for the Unionist parties.
Euro VI - Scotland (+/- change from Euro 2009)
SNP 39% (+10) Lab 19% (-2) Con 13% (-4) LD 12% (n/c) Grn 8% (+1) UKIP 6% (+1) Ind 2% (+1)
Repeat - sub sample of 84 voters
Yet Another Mark Senior porkie. The Scottish sub-sample was 181.
Another Stuart Dickson porkie , although there were 181 in the whole Scottish sub sample only 84 were in their Euro poll 100% certain to vote figures .
Amateurish nonsense. On that basis the ComRes poll was not based on "2,001 GB adults", as clearly stated on their official website, but rather it was based on the 675 in their Euro poll 100% certain to vote figures.
Back to the drawing board for the dire Senior and his hopeless spin.
True I am an amateur compared to your consistently professional distortion of facts and statistics when it suits your purpose . Still another day in the toaster for the YES vote in September's referendum .
Yikes! Those are truly horrifying numbers for the Unionist parties.
Euro VI - Scotland (+/- change from Euro 2009)
SNP 39% (+10) Lab 19% (-2) Con 13% (-4) LD 12% (n/c) Grn 8% (+1) UKIP 6% (+1) Ind 2% (+1)
Repeat - sub sample of 84 voters
Yet Another Mark Senior porkie. The Scottish sub-sample was 181.
Another Stuart Dickson porkie , although there were 181 in the whole Scottish sub sample only 84 were in their Euro poll 100% certain to vote figures .
Amateurish nonsense. On that basis the ComRes poll was not based on "2,001 GB adults", as clearly stated on their official website, but rather it was based on the 675 in their Euro poll 100% certain to vote figures.
Back to the drawing board for the dire Senior and his hopeless spin.
True I am an amateur compared to your consistently professional distortion of facts and statistics when it suits your purpose.
2011: Con 38%, Lab 37%, LD 16% 2012: Con 33%, Lab 39%, LD 15% 2013: Con 26%, Lab 29%, LD 13%, UKIP 22%
ComRes Westminster: Con 32%, Lab 35%, LD 9%, UKIP 16% ComRes EU Parliament: Con 21%, Lab 28%, LD 8%, UKIP 30%
Will the local elections follow Westminster VI or EU VI ? UKIP could have a landmark night if they can hold their EU converts.
The local elections are mostly in London and the Met boroughs . There are hardly any elections in the areas where they polled well last May so the best UKIP are likely to achieve is a good number of 2nd places in safe Labour wards .
Still another day in the toaster for the YES vote in September's referendum .
As if we're going to take predictions or refernda 'wisdom' from an inept Clegg spinner who has forgotten just how calamitous and incompetent Clegg's own AV referendum was.
Yikes! Those are truly horrifying numbers for the Unionist parties.
Euro VI - Scotland (+/- change from Euro 2009)
SNP 39% (+10) Lab 19% (-2) Con 13% (-4) LD 12% (n/c) Grn 8% (+1) UKIP 6% (+1) Ind 2% (+1)
Repeat - sub sample of 84 voters
Yet Another Mark Senior porkie. The Scottish sub-sample was 181.
Another Stuart Dickson porkie , although there were 181 in the whole Scottish sub sample only 84 were in their Euro poll 100% certain to vote figures .
Amateurish nonsense. On that basis the ComRes poll was not based on "2,001 GB adults", as clearly stated on their official website, but rather it was based on the 675 in their Euro poll 100% certain to vote figures.
Back to the drawing board for the dire Senior and his hopeless spin.
True I am an amateur compared to your consistently professional distortion of facts and statistics when it suits your purpose.
Yikes! Those are truly horrifying numbers for the Unionist parties.
Euro VI - Scotland (+/- change from Euro 2009)
SNP 39% (+10) Lab 19% (-2) Con 13% (-4) LD 12% (n/c) Grn 8% (+1) UKIP 6% (+1) Ind 2% (+1)
Repeat - sub sample of 84 voters
Yet Another Mark Senior porkie. The Scottish sub-sample was 181.
Another Stuart Dickson porkie , although there were 181 in the whole Scottish sub sample only 84 were in their Euro poll 100% certain to vote figures .
Amateurish nonsense. On that basis the ComRes poll was not based on "2,001 GB adults", as clearly stated on their official website, but rather it was based on the 675 in their Euro poll 100% certain to vote figures.
Back to the drawing board for the dire Senior and his hopeless spin.
True I am an amateur compared to your consistently professional distortion of facts and statistics when it suits your purpose.
Yikes! Those are truly horrifying numbers for the Unionist parties.
Euro VI - Scotland (+/- change from Euro 2009)
SNP 39% (+10) Lab 19% (-2) Con 13% (-4) LD 12% (n/c) Grn 8% (+1) UKIP 6% (+1) Ind 2% (+1)
Repeat - sub sample of 84 voters
Yet Another Mark Senior porkie. The Scottish sub-sample was 181.
Another Stuart Dickson porkie , although there were 181 in the whole Scottish sub sample only 84 were in their Euro poll 100% certain to vote figures .
Amateurish nonsense. On that basis the ComRes poll was not based on "2,001 GB adults", as clearly stated on their official website, but rather it was based on the 675 in their Euro poll 100% certain to vote figures.
Back to the drawing board for the dire Senior and his hopeless spin.
True I am an amateur compared to your consistently professional distortion of facts and statistics when it suits your purpose.
To paraphrase the inept lib dem spinner 'No you are!!'
Poor old lib dems. No wonder they take such a hammering at local elections with fools like that supporting Clegg. I expect another hammering will be spun as a 'triumph for Clegg'. They're a political irrelevance in scotland already with a taxi full of MSPs but Clegg's ostrich faction aren't satisfied with that and seem intent on killing as much of their party as possible elsewhere too.
Yikes! Those are truly horrifying numbers for the Unionist parties.
Euro VI - Scotland (+/- change from Euro 2009)
SNP 39% (+10) Lab 19% (-2) Con 13% (-4) LD 12% (n/c) Grn 8% (+1) UKIP 6% (+1) Ind 2% (+1)
Repeat - sub sample of 84 voters
Yet Another Mark Senior porkie. The Scottish sub-sample was 181.
Another Stuart Dickson porkie , although there were 181 in the whole Scottish sub sample only 84 were in their Euro poll 100% certain to vote figures .
Amateurish nonsense. On that basis the ComRes poll was not based on "2,001 GB adults", as clearly stated on their official website, but rather it was based on the 675 in their Euro poll 100% certain to vote figures.
Back to the drawing board for the dire Senior and his hopeless spin.
True I am an amateur compared to your consistently professional distortion of facts and statistics when it suits your purpose.
Gawain Towler @GawainTowler 5m ComRes poll has SW&Wales polling @UKIP 36% Con 24% Lab 21% L/D 8% GN 1% PC 10% on 2010 Westminster weighting...
Astonishing stuff if anywhere near the right ballpark. Tremendous for UKIP and Plaid Cymru. Up the stinky creek without a paddle for the hopeless Lib Dems.
Yikes! Those are truly horrifying numbers for the Unionist parties.
Euro VI - Scotland (+/- change from Euro 2009)
SNP 39% (+10) Lab 19% (-2) Con 13% (-4) LD 12% (n/c) Grn 8% (+1) UKIP 6% (+1) Ind 2% (+1)
Repeat - sub sample of 84 voters
Yet Another Mark Senior porkie. The Scottish sub-sample was 181.
Another Stuart Dickson porkie , although there were 181 in the whole Scottish sub sample only 84 were in their Euro poll 100% certain to vote figures .
Amateurish nonsense. On that basis the ComRes poll was not based on "2,001 GB adults", as clearly stated on their official website, but rather it was based on the 675 in their Euro poll 100% certain to vote figures.
Back to the drawing board for the dire Senior and his hopeless spin.
True I am an amateur compared to your consistently professional distortion of facts and statistics when it suits your purpose.
Are you looking in a mirror and talking to yourself as you type ?
That is truly sinister. You are the perfect case study, and just keep illustrating that fact in ever more wonderous ways. And yet you just cannot see it. I'm not sure if it is funny or sad. Probably both.
I think it's rather interesting that Libertarianism is still continuing it's theory that by cutting costs and printing money increases efficiency.
Lets look at the argument that Osborne/*unt is making for the NHS that only people not getting their up to 3.5% progression pay increase (which is only given/earned if the person has attained certain levels of achievement in the past year).
Only a very small proportion will receive the maximum upgrade of wages due to the hard work they have put in.
The rest will either receive nothing or now, 1%, or will receive under the 3%, which means that most workers have received less than inflation wage rises for the past 5 years.
Then they look at MP's getting 11%. Er! I don't think that in the Budget, raising the basic level of Income Tax will cut the mustard.
There is a lot of anger around, hopefully it won't boil over but I won't hold my breath.
Edited: Just thought that any Coalition politician going into their local A&E for in ingrowing toenail may not come out alive.
Yikes! Those are truly horrifying numbers for the Unionist parties.
Euro VI - Scotland (+/- change from Euro 2009)
SNP 39% (+10) Lab 19% (-2) Con 13% (-4) LD 12% (n/c) Grn 8% (+1) UKIP 6% (+1) Ind 2% (+1)
Repeat - sub sample of 84 voters
Yet Another Mark Senior porkie. The Scottish sub-sample was 181.
Another Stuart Dickson porkie , although there were 181 in the whole Scottish sub sample only 84 were in their Euro poll 100% certain to vote figures .
Amateurish nonsense. On that basis the ComRes poll was not based on "2,001 GB adults", as clearly stated on their official website, but rather it was based on the 675 in their Euro poll 100% certain to vote figures.
Back to the drawing board for the dire Senior and his hopeless spin.
True I am an amateur compared to your consistently professional distortion of facts and statistics when it suits your purpose.
Are you looking in a mirror and talking to yourself as you type ?
That is truly sinister. You are the perfect case study, and just keep illustrating that fact in ever more wonderous ways. And yet you just cannot see it. I'm not sure if it is funny or sad. Probably both.
The news networks have been positively orgasmic all day as it became ever more apparent that MH370 was still flying at 8.11am Malaysia time, having taken off just after 12.30am the previous night.
All the talking heads also seem to agree that the objective was to make the plane dark and untrackable, and then surreptitiously fly it out of the Malaysia area and to points unknown, thus to secure an operational aircraft, for future use.
We now have the two arcs from the satellite pings - the northern one and the southern one.
The northern one takes the plane through the Himalayas and to the -stans, where there are plenty of anti-Chinese and anti-western groups who would be only too happy to acquire a 777 for future use. It is a vast area, and all that is needed is a 7500 ft landing strip and a large hangar for the plane to be on the ground and invisible to overhead scrutiny.
The southern arc goes out over the Indian Ocean, with no land in sight. Unless Emilio Largo was there on the Disco Volante waiting to turn on the underwater landing lights, this seems unlikely. Why go to all the trouble of disabling the tracking systems just to crash it into the sea? Why not just crash it into the South China Sea and be done with it?
The NTSB, AAIB and Malaysian Air Force have now each independently analyzed the Inmarsat and radar data and all 3 came up with the same result. Unfortunately so far there is only data from a single Inmarsat satellite, hence the arcs and lack of triangulation.
Of course, for all anyone knows, the plane could be sitting at the bottom of the ocean.
They are also now saying the transponders were switched off BEFORE the final "Alright, good night." contact.
It goes without saying the US, UK and Malaysians know much more than they're making public.
So UKIP must be doing very very well in SW England.
Only if you believe the new Comres 100% certainty to vote filter . Without it UKIP were not in the lead . The only local elections in Wales and the South West this May are in the big cities Exeter , Bristol , Swindon , Plymouth , Cheltenham , Gloucester and Stroud
Yikes! Those are truly horrifying numbers for the Unionist parties.
Euro VI - Scotland (+/- change from Euro 2009)
SNP 39% (+10) Lab 19% (-2) Con 13% (-4) LD 12% (n/c) Grn 8% (+1) UKIP 6% (+1) Ind 2% (+1)
Repeat - sub sample of 84 voters
Yet Another Mark Senior porkie. The Scottish sub-sample was 181.
Another Stuart Dickson porkie , although there were 181 in the whole Scottish sub sample only 84 were in their Euro poll 100% certain to vote figures .
Amateurish nonsense. On that basis the ComRes poll was not based on "2,001 GB adults", as clearly stated on their official website, but rather it was based on the 675 in their Euro poll 100% certain to vote figures.
Back to the drawing board for the dire Senior and his hopeless spin.
True I am an amateur compared to your consistently professional distortion of facts and statistics when it suits your purpose.
To paraphrase the inept lib dem spinner 'No you are!!'
Poor old lib dems. No wonder they take such a hammering at local elections with fools like that supporting Clegg. I expect another hammering will be spun as a 'triumph for Clegg'. They're a political irrelevance in scotland already with a taxi full of MSPs but Clegg's ostrich faction aren't satisfied with that and seem intent on killing as much of their party as possible elsewhere too.
The Lib Dems certainly have the oddest members, eg. our PB case study.
In my experience most Labour, Tory and SNP members and supporters are fairly normal people, but I've barely come across a Lib Dem that wasn't a weirdo. I don't think I've ever met a UKIPer in my entire life, so not possible to form an opinion. Greens and SSP types are generally great folk, but a tad too earnest.
Yikes! Those are truly horrifying numbers for the Unionist parties.
Euro VI - Scotland (+/- change from Euro 2009)
SNP 39% (+10) Lab 19% (-2) Con 13% (-4) LD 12% (n/c) Grn 8% (+1) UKIP 6% (+1) Ind 2% (+1)
Repeat - sub sample of 84 voters
Yet Another Mark Senior porkie. The Scottish sub-sample was 181.
Another Stuart Dickson porkie , although there were 181 in the whole Scottish sub sample only 84 were in their Euro poll 100% certain to vote figures .
True I am an amateur compared to your consistently professional distortion of facts and statistics when it suits your purpose.
To paraphrase the inept lib dem spinner 'No you are!!'
Poor old lib dems. No wonder they take such a hammering at local elections with fools like that supporting Clegg. I expect another hammering will be spun as a 'triumph for Clegg'. They're a political irrelevance in scotland already with a taxi full of MSPs but Clegg's ostrich faction aren't satisfied with that and seem intent on killing as much of their party as possible elsewhere too.
The Lib Dems certainly have the oddest members, eg. our PB case study.
In my experience most Labour, Tory and SNP members and supporters are fairly normal people, but I've barely come across a Lib Dem that wasn't a weirdo. I don't think I've ever met a UKIPer in my entire life, so not possible to form an opinion. Greens and SSP types are generally great folk, but a tad too earnest.
Anyone who thinks yourself , Porky and malcolmg are fairly normal people has a serious problem .
Yikes! Those are truly horrifying numbers for the Unionist parties.
Euro VI - Scotland (+/- change from Euro 2009)
SNP 39% (+10) Lab 19% (-2) Con 13% (-4) LD 12% (n/c) Grn 8% (+1) UKIP 6% (+1) Ind 2% (+1)
Repeat - sub sample of 84 voters
Yet Another Mark Senior porkie. The Scottish sub-sample was 181.
Another Stuart Dickson porkie , although there were 181 in the whole Scottish sub sample only 84 were in their Euro poll 100% certain to vote figures .
True I am an amateur compared to your consistently professional distortion of facts and statistics when it suits your purpose.
To paraphrase the inept lib dem spinner 'No you are!!'
Poor old lib dems. No wonder they take such a hammering at local elections with fools like that supporting Clegg. I expect another hammering will be spun as a 'triumph for Clegg'. They're a political irrelevance in scotland already with a taxi full of MSPs but Clegg's ostrich faction aren't satisfied with that and seem intent on killing as much of their party as possible elsewhere too.
The Lib Dems certainly have the oddest members, eg. our PB case study.
In my experience most Labour, Tory and SNP members and supporters are fairly normal people, but I've barely come across a Lib Dem that wasn't a weirdo. I don't think I've ever met a UKIPer in my entire life, so not possible to form an opinion. Greens and SSP types are generally great folk, but a tad too earnest.
Anyone who thinks yourself , Porky and malcolmg are fairly normal people has a serious problem .
It is quite obvious that all 3 of us are fine folk who it would be a pleasure to sup a pint with. Just because you hate us does not mean that the rest of the planet agrees with you.
Hatred will be your downfall. Scott P should also take note.
The Lib Dems certainly have the oddest members, eg. our PB case study.
In my experience most Labour, Tory and SNP members and supporters are fairly normal people, but I've barely come across a Lib Dem that wasn't a weirdo. I don't think I've ever met a UKIPer in my entire life, so not possible to form an opinion. Greens and SSP types are generally great folk, but a tad too earnest.
I've known a couple of lib dems and they were decent enough and not quite sandal wearers but well to do and well meaning on the whole. Of course they left in disgust over Clegg's tory love-in but that's hardly a surprise considering how many others did. Lib dem blogs on the other hand are the most censorious you will ever find on the net. They really can't stand being corrected or a differing opinion and try to keep it down to just a few posters they can point at who disgree with them whenever anyone is curious about the Clegg ostrich faction 'groupthink'. I know a kipper as well. She (yes! it is a she oddly enough) conforms more to the 'golf club' caricature but on the whole seems to be hugely pissed off with Cameron's tories more than anything else.
Oh and PB's comments system is still f**ked though curiously it only seems to be f**ked for me since it won't allow me to quote a long multiple linked comment like yours in full. Or indeed make a particularly long post at all.
just lurking but the personal attacks on Mark Senior are pretty unpleasant. Mark, I'd ignore it, I find your factual clarifications on polls and by elections etc. interesting despite not being a fan of the lib dems at all.
The news networks have been positively orgasmic all day as it became ever more apparent that MH370 was still flying at 8.11am Malaysia time, having taken off just after 12.30am the previous night.
All the talking heads also seem to agree that the objective was to make the plane dark and untrackable, and then surreptitiously fly it out of the Malaysia area and to points unknown, thus to secure an operational aircraft, for future use.
We now have the two arcs from the satellite pings - the northern one and the southern one.
The northern one takes the plane through the Himalayas and to the -stans, where there are plenty of anti-Chinese and anti-western groups who would be only too happy to acquire a 777 for future use. It is a vast area, and all that is needed is a 7500 ft landing strip and a large hangar for the plane to be on the ground and invisible to overhead scrutiny.
The southern arc goes out over the Indian Ocean, with no land in sight. Unless Emilio Largo was there on the Disco Volante waiting to turn on the underwater landing lights, this seems unlikely. Why go to all the trouble of disabling the tracking systems just to crash it into the sea? Why not just crash it into the South China Sea and be done with it?
The NTSB, AAIB and Malaysian Air Force have now each independently analyzed the Inmarsat and radar data and all 3 came up with the same result. Unfortunately so far there is only data from a single Inmarsat satellite, hence the arcs and lack of triangulation.
Of course, for all anyone knows, the plane could be sitting at the bottom of the ocean.
They are also now saying the transponders were switched off BEFORE the final "Alright, good night." contact.
It goes without saying the US, UK and Malaysians know much more than they're making public.
Yes, they may even know where the plane is but don't want to give the game away to whoever is behind this.
The Lib Dems certainly have the oddest members, eg. our PB case study.
In my experience most Labour, Tory and SNP members and supporters are fairly normal people, but I've barely come across a Lib Dem that wasn't a weirdo. I don't think I've ever met a UKIPer in my entire life, so not possible to form an opinion. Greens and SSP types are generally great folk, but a tad too earnest.
I've known a couple of lib dems and they were decent enough and not quite sandal wearers but well to do and well meaning on the whole. Of course they left in disgust over Clegg's tory love-in but that's hardly a surprise considering how many others did. Lib dem blogs on the other hand are the most censorious you will ever find on the net. They really can't stand being corrected or a differing opinion and try to keep it down to just a few posters they can point at who disgree with them whenever anyone is curious about the Clegg ostrich faction 'groupthink'. I know a kipper as well. She (yes! it is a she oddly enough) conforms more to the 'golf club' caricature but on the whole seems to be hugely pissed off with Cameron's tories more than anything else.
Oh and PB's comments system is still f**ked though curiously it only seems to be f**ked for me since it won't allow me to quote a long multiple linked comment like yours in full. Or indeed make a particularly long post at all.
Funny that.
That's just a character limit. When you hit it, just delete some of the previous quoted replies.
Even the serious forums are now entertaining ideas such as gold bullion heists and secret Kazakh landing strips. An indication of how desperate people are for information.
Doomed bid by Cameron to boost Tory prospects: "Cameron: my seven targets for a new EU | via @Telegraphhttp://fw.to/O7ytUCT " #UKIP
He discloses his broad agenda for renegotiating Britain’s membership, including demands for reform to Europe’s immigration, human rights and trade laws, as the price for remaining in the EU.
However, the Conservative leader warns Right-wingers in his party that achieving these changes will take “time and patience”, and urges Eurosceptics not to engage in “shouting from the sidelines”.
Fop chicken.
"broad" is putting it very kindly indeed. Nebulous and easily weaseled out of posturing is far closer to the mark.
: New controls to stop “vast migrations” across the continent when new countries join the EU;
:: Tighter immigration rules to ensure that migrants come to Britain to work, not as tourists planning to cash in on “free benefits”;
:: A new power for groups of national parliaments to work together to block unwanted European legislation;
:: Businesses to be freed from red tape and “excessive interference” from Brussels, and given access to new markets through “turbo charging” free trade deals with America and Asia;
:: British police and courts liberated from “unnecessary interference” from the European Court of Human Rights;
:: More power “flowing away” from Brussels to Britain and other member states, rather than increasingly centralising laws in the EU;
:: Abolishing the principle of “ever closer union” among EU member states, which Mr Cameron says is “not right for Britain”.
Yet Another Mark Senior porkie. The Scottish sub-sample was 181.
Another Stuart Dickson porkie , although there were 181 in the whole Scottish sub sample only 84 were in their Euro poll 100% certain to vote figures .
True I am an amateur compared to your consistently professional distortion of facts and statistics when it suits your purpose.
Anyone who thinks yourself , Porky and malcolmg are fairly normal people has a serious problem .
It is quite obvious that all 3 of us are fine folk who it would be a pleasure to sup a pint with. Just because you hate us does not mean that the rest of the planet agrees with you.
Hatred will be your downfall. Scott P should also take note.
The news networks have been positively orgasmic all day as it became ever more apparent that MH370 was still flying at 8.11am Malaysia time, having taken off just after 12.30am the previous night.
All the talking heads also seem to agree that the objective was to make the plane dark and untrackable, and then surreptitiously fly it out of the Malaysia area and to points unknown, thus to secure an operational aircraft, for future use.
We now have the two arcs from the satellite pings - the northern one and the southern one.
The northern one takes the plane through the Himalayas and to the -stans, where there are plenty of anti-Chinese and anti-western groups who would be only too happy to acquire a 777 for future use. It is a vast area, and all that is needed is a 7500 ft landing strip and a large hangar for the plane to be on the ground and invisible to overhead scrutiny.
The southern arc goes out over the Indian Ocean, with no land in sight. Unless Emilio Largo was there on the Disco Volante waiting to turn on the underwater landing lights, this seems unlikely. Why go to all the trouble of disabling the tracking systems just to crash it into the sea? Why not just crash it into the South China Sea and be done with it?
The NTSB, AAIB and Malaysian Air Force have now each independently analyzed the Inmarsat and radar data and all 3 came up with the same result. Unfortunately so far there is only data from a single Inmarsat satellite, hence the arcs and lack of triangulation.
Of course, for all anyone knows, the plane could be sitting at the bottom of the ocean.
They are also now saying the transponders were switched off BEFORE the final "Alright, good night." contact.
It goes without saying the US, UK and Malaysians know much more than they're making public.
Yes, they may even know where the plane is but don't want to give the game away to whoever is behind this.
Did you like the Thunderball reference? I worked day and night for several minutes to work it in :-)
When the military and commercial radar of the countries along the northern route are examined and compared with the exisiting timeline, much more accurate information could be forthcoming. That should happen soon. Having lost a week because the Malaysian government didn't like answering press questions, hasn't helped.
There are only 3 simple questions to be answered, said the FAA man today - where, what, and why.
Where is the airplane, what happened to it, and why did it happen.
Not the hardest of questions to answer if we're being honest, is it?
Who is "Martin Philip Odoni" and why should anyone give a toss about his opinion? Is he important or interesting in any way?
Havet Storm, on the other hand, is much more interesting - Google tells me that he was the young Rebel agent who stole the Death Star superlaser plans for the Rebel Alliance. He later joined the Jedi Praxeum on Yavin 4 under the tutelage of Luke Skywalker, where he was killed by the Dark Jedi Desann.
Even the serious forums are now entertaining ideas such as gold bullion heists and secret Kazakh landing strips. An indication of how desperate people are for information.
This is a use of the term 'serious' with which I am not familiar... :-)
Even the serious forums are now entertaining ideas such as gold bullion heists and secret Kazakh landing strips. An indication of how desperate people are for information.
This is a use of the term 'serious' with which I am not familiar... :-)
The Great Plane Robbery
This is the best story. A gold heist. And it attracts the airline industry equivalents of Mark Senior too.
Let me explain.
1. Look up aircraft seat plan and passenger capacity. 283 seats. 2. Compare to passenger manifest. 225 (+ 2 infants) 3. Calculate underload of 58 seats. 4. Assume passenger underload was forced compliance with cargo overload regulations. 5. Calculate weight of gold which would trigger passenger seat reduction due to cargo overload. 6. Announce that plane must have been carrying 4.5 tonnes of gold. 7. Assume heist as motive.
The UK Independence Party is on course to win the largest share of the vote in the European Parliament elections in May, according to a ComRes opinion poll for The Independent on Sunday and Sunday Mirror.
UKIP 30% (+3) Lab 28% (+5) Con 21% (0) Lib Dem 8% (-10) Green 6% (+2) Other 7% (0)
Michael Gove attacks David Cameron’s ‘preposterous’ inner circle of old Etonians http://ind.pn/1gsKJk2
Who is this lefty class warrior "Gove" and does he have any tenuous links with star wars?
LOL
I thought Gove was getting a preemptive strike in yesterday with this as there was another Blue on Blue bloodfest this weekend in the papers. Anymore Tory on Tory back stabbing yet? Any Team Bojo quotes?
Michael Gove attacks David Cameron’s ‘preposterous’ inner circle of old Etonians http://ind.pn/1gsKJk2
Who is this lefty class warrior "Gove" and does he have any tenuous links with star wars?
LOL
I thought Gove was getting a preemptive strike in yesterday with this as there was another Blue on Blue bloodfest this weekend in the papers. Anymore Tory on Tory back stabbing yet? Any Team Bojo quotes?
It's very curious how coordinated all this 'speculation' seems to be, isn't it?
Michael Gove attacks David Cameron’s ‘preposterous’ inner circle of old Etonians http://ind.pn/1gsKJk2
Who is this lefty class warrior "Gove" and does he have any tenuous links with star wars?
LOL
I thought Gove was getting a preemptive strike in yesterday with this as there was another Blue on Blue bloodfest this weekend in the papers. Anymore Tory on Tory back stabbing yet? Any Team Bojo quotes?
It's very curious how coordinated all this 'speculation' seems to be, isn't it?
ConservativeHome ponders Gove's leadership chances. Less ludicrous than believing in Boris or Osborne, surely? http://bit.ly/1lEokkC
"There is a Team Boris and a Team Osborne, but there is no Team Gove, quietly preparing the ground for a future candidacy." Doesn't sound like a team convinced their leader will win the election....no?
Michael Gove attacks David Cameron’s ‘preposterous’ inner circle of old Etonians http://ind.pn/1gsKJk2
Who is this lefty class warrior "Gove" and does he have any tenuous links with star wars?
LOL
I thought Gove was getting a preemptive strike in yesterday with this as there was another Blue on Blue bloodfest this weekend in the papers. Anymore Tory on Tory back stabbing yet? Any Team Bojo quotes?
It's very curious how coordinated all this 'speculation' seems to be, isn't it?
ConservativeHome ponders Gove's leadership chances. Less ludicrous than believing in Boris or Osborne, surely? http://bit.ly/1lEokkC
"There is a Team Boris and a Team Osborne, but there is no Team Gove, quietly preparing the ground for a future candidacy." Doesn't sound like a team convinced their leader will win the election....no?
Sounds like a team upset at all the old boy connections at the top of the tory party. Sounds very like a team that would start briefing against the chumocracy's Etonian connections.
Michael Gove attacks David Cameron’s ‘preposterous’ inner circle of old Etonians http://ind.pn/1gsKJk2
Who is this lefty class warrior "Gove" and does he have any tenuous links with star wars?
LOL
I thought Gove was getting a preemptive strike in yesterday with this as there was another Blue on Blue bloodfest this weekend in the papers. Anymore Tory on Tory back stabbing yet? Any Team Bojo quotes?
It's very curious how coordinated all this 'speculation' seems to be, isn't it?
ConservativeHome ponders Gove's leadership chances. Less ludicrous than believing in Boris or Osborne, surely? http://bit.ly/1lEokkCI thought including Mr Osborne in the recent Conservative PPB was an odd choice. I assume it's part of his leadership campaign.
And I thought some people on here had a slightly misplaced faith in YouGov:
'Still more self-deluding are those Eurosceptic voices calling for an in-out referendum even sooner, because they would lose it. The latest YouGov poll for the first time in years shows a small majority in favour of staying in...'
Michael Gove attacks David Cameron’s ‘preposterous’ inner circle of old Etonians http://ind.pn/1gsKJk2
Who is this lefty class warrior "Gove" and does he have any tenuous links with star wars?
LOL
I thought Gove was getting a preemptive strike in yesterday with this as there was another Blue on Blue bloodfest this weekend in the papers. Anymore Tory on Tory back stabbing yet? Any Team Bojo quotes?
It's very curious how coordinated all this 'speculation' seems to be, isn't it?
ConservativeHome ponders Gove's leadership chances. Less ludicrous than believing in Boris or Osborne, surely? http://bit.ly/1lEokkC
Better than your last effort. Laura McInerney has at least written a couple of times for the Guardian so is still a nobody but not as bad as StarWarsBoy below.
I wondered how she'd ever managed to produce 34,400 tweets but it seems she was a teacher - which explains how she had so much free time.
Michael Gove attacks David Cameron’s ‘preposterous’ inner circle of old Etonians http://ind.pn/1gsKJk2
Who is this lefty class warrior "Gove" and does he have any tenuous links with star wars?
LOL
I thought Gove was getting a preemptive strike in yesterday with this as there was another Blue on Blue bloodfest this weekend in the papers. Anymore Tory on Tory back stabbing yet? Any Team Bojo quotes?
It's very curious how coordinated all this 'speculation' seems to be, isn't it?
ConservativeHome ponders Gove's leadership chances. Less ludicrous than believing in Boris or Osborne, surely? http://bit.ly/1lEokkC
"There is a Team Boris and a Team Osborne, but there is no Team Gove, quietly preparing the ground for a future candidacy." Doesn't sound like a team convinced their leader will win the election....no?
Sounds like a team upset at all the old boy connections at the top of the tory party. Sounds very like a team that would start briefing against the chumocracy's Etonian connections.
You would have thought that as the gap between the Labour Party and their went smaller in the polls they would be more professional and united. It makes me wonder what they all know that we don't for them over the last few weeks to have turned on each other with such venom.
"Doomed airliner pilot was political fanatic: Hours before taking control of flight MH370 he attended trial of jailed opposition leader as FBI reveal passengers could be at a secret location
# Investigators speak of his 'obsessive' support for opposition leader Anwar Ibrahim # Police officers fear Ibrahim being jailed could have left Shah profoundly upset"
Michael Gove attacks David Cameron’s ‘preposterous’ inner circle of old Etonians http://ind.pn/1gsKJk2
Who is this lefty class warrior "Gove" and does he have any tenuous links with star wars?
LOL
I thought Gove was getting a preemptive strike in yesterday with this as there was another Blue on Blue bloodfest this weekend in the papers. Anymore Tory on Tory back stabbing yet? Any Team Bojo quotes?
It's very curious how coordinated all this 'speculation' seems to be, isn't it?
"Doomed airliner pilot was political fanatic: Hours before taking control of flight MH370 he attended trial of jailed opposition leader as FBI reveal passengers could be at a secret location
# Investigators speak of his 'obsessive' support for opposition leader Anwar Ibrahim # Police officers fear Ibrahim being jailed could have left Shah profoundly upset"
This does all sound like something out of an action movie, hijacking a plane full of passengers and landing at a secret location leaving the world clueless as to what has actually happened.
Michael Gove attacks David Cameron’s ‘preposterous’ inner circle of old Etonians http://ind.pn/1gsKJk2
Who is this lefty class warrior "Gove" and does he have any tenuous links with star wars?
LOL
I thought Gove was getting a preemptive strike in yesterday with this as there was another Blue on Blue bloodfest this weekend in the papers. Anymore Tory on Tory back stabbing yet? Any Team Bojo quotes?
It's very curious how coordinated all this 'speculation' seems to be, isn't it?
ConservativeHome ponders Gove's leadership chances. Less ludicrous than believing in Boris or Osborne, surely? http://bit.ly/1lEokkC
Better than your last effort. Laura McInerney has at least written a couple of times for the Guardian so is still a nobody but not as bad as StarWarsBoy below.
I wondered how she'd ever managed to produce 34,400 tweets but it seems she was a teacher - which explains how she had so much free time.
Good to see you have found something productive to do with yourself. TwitterGeoffrey the internet twitter cop!
"Doomed airliner pilot was political fanatic: Hours before taking control of flight MH370 he attended trial of jailed opposition leader as FBI reveal passengers could be at a secret location
# Investigators speak of his 'obsessive' support for opposition leader Anwar Ibrahim # Police officers fear Ibrahim being jailed could have left Shah profoundly upset"
This does all sound like something out of an action movie, hijacking a plane full of passengers and landing at a secret location leaving the world clueless as to what has actually happened.
I am waiting for The Heil to blame either immigrants/single mothers/the unions/Ed Miliband/the EU for the plane going missing.
Even the serious forums are now entertaining ideas such as gold bullion heists and secret Kazakh landing strips. An indication of how desperate people are for information.
This is a use of the term 'serious' with which I am not familiar... :-)
The Great Plane Robbery
This is the best story. A gold heist. And it attracts the airline industry equivalents of Mark Senior too.
Let me explain.
1. Look up aircraft seat plan and passenger capacity. 283 seats. 2. Compare to passenger manifest. 225 (+ 2 infants) 3. Calculate underload of 58 seats. 4. Assume passenger underload was forced compliance with cargo overload regulations. 5. Calculate weight of gold which would trigger passenger seat reduction due to cargo overload. 6. Announce that plane must have been carrying 4.5 tonnes of gold. 7. Assume heist as motive.
I can help here - apparently 33 tons of gold was removed from the Ukraine once the Russians moved into the Crimea, and this was part of that shipment.
Maybe Emilio Largo survived his encounter with 007 after all.
Now Kevin McLory and MGM have resolved their differences, Largo can reappear :-)
Michael Gove attacks David Cameron’s ‘preposterous’ inner circle of old Etonians http://ind.pn/1gsKJk2
Who is this lefty class warrior "Gove" and does he have any tenuous links with star wars?
LOL
I thought Gove was getting a preemptive strike in yesterday with this as there was another Blue on Blue bloodfest this weekend in the papers. Anymore Tory on Tory back stabbing yet? Any Team Bojo quotes?
It's very curious how coordinated all this 'speculation' seems to be, isn't it?
ConservativeHome ponders Gove's leadership chances. Less ludicrous than believing in Boris or Osborne, surely? http://bit.ly/1lEokkC
Better than your last effort. Laura McInerney has at least written a couple of times for the Guardian so is still a nobody but not as bad as StarWarsBoy below.
I wondered how she'd ever managed to produce 34,400 tweets but it seems she was a teacher - which explains how she had so much free time.
Good to see you have found something productive to do with yourself. TwitterGeoffrey the internet twitter cop!
Michael Gove attacks David Cameron’s ‘preposterous’ inner circle of old Etonians http://ind.pn/1gsKJk2
Who is this lefty class warrior "Gove" and does he have any tenuous links with star wars?
LOL
I thought Gove was getting a preemptive strike in yesterday with this as there was another Blue on Blue bloodfest this weekend in the papers. Anymore Tory on Tory back stabbing yet? Any Team Bojo quotes?
It's very curious how coordinated all this 'speculation' seems to be, isn't it?
Any Osborne leadership would always be a 'continuity Cameron' bid by default. It's no secret Osbrowne has been the 'master strategist' while Cammie ran about doing amusing photo ops.
That alone would be a mountain to climb in any future leadership contest, never mind Osborne's toxic effect on most voters.
"Doomed airliner pilot was political fanatic: Hours before taking control of flight MH370 he attended trial of jailed opposition leader as FBI reveal passengers could be at a secret location
# Investigators speak of his 'obsessive' support for opposition leader Anwar Ibrahim # Police officers fear Ibrahim being jailed could have left Shah profoundly upset"
This does all sound like something out of an action movie, hijacking a plane full of passengers and landing at a secret location leaving the world clueless as to what has actually happened.
I am waiting for The Heil to blame either immigrants/single mothers/the unions/Ed Miliband/the EU for the plane going missing.
Actually, I have it on good authority that the Obama administration secretly requested that David Copperfield hide the plane, to detract attention from the Obamacare rollout.
"Doomed airliner pilot was political fanatic: Hours before taking control of flight MH370 he attended trial of jailed opposition leader as FBI reveal passengers could be at a secret location
# Investigators speak of his 'obsessive' support for opposition leader Anwar Ibrahim # Police officers fear Ibrahim being jailed could have left Shah profoundly upset"
This does all sound like something out of an action movie, hijacking a plane full of passengers and landing at a secret location leaving the world clueless as to what has actually happened.
I am waiting for The Heil to blame either immigrants/single mothers/the unions/Ed Miliband/the EU for the plane going missing.
I have not heard anything about posible decompression. It is a slow process. People faint and then die of lack of oxygen. The plane will keep on flying until the fuel runs out.
"Doomed airliner pilot was political fanatic: Hours before taking control of flight MH370 he attended trial of jailed opposition leader as FBI reveal passengers could be at a secret location
# Investigators speak of his 'obsessive' support for opposition leader Anwar Ibrahim # Police officers fear Ibrahim being jailed could have left Shah profoundly upset"
This does all sound like something out of an action movie, hijacking a plane full of passengers and landing at a secret location leaving the world clueless as to what has actually happened.
I am waiting for The Heil to blame either immigrants/single mothers/the unions/Ed Miliband/the EU for the plane going missing.
Don't be silly, 'pouter.
The Great Plane Robbery has allowed the Mail to expose its liberal leanings to readers.
The pilot was said by the Mail to have spend the afternoon before his evening flight attending the criminal trial of the opposition leader. Unfortunately Anwar Ibrahim, a former Deputy Prime Minister, was found guilty and sentenced to five years in prison. His crime? Sodomy.
"Doomed airliner pilot was political fanatic: Hours before taking control of flight MH370 he attended trial of jailed opposition leader as FBI reveal passengers could be at a secret location
# Investigators speak of his 'obsessive' support for opposition leader Anwar Ibrahim # Police officers fear Ibrahim being jailed could have left Shah profoundly upset"
This does all sound like something out of an action movie, hijacking a plane full of passengers and landing at a secret location leaving the world clueless as to what has actually happened.
I am waiting for The Heil to blame either immigrants/single mothers/the unions/Ed Miliband/the EU for the plane going missing.
"Doomed airliner pilot was political fanatic: Hours before taking control of flight MH370 he attended trial of jailed opposition leader as FBI reveal passengers could be at a secret location
# Investigators speak of his 'obsessive' support for opposition leader Anwar Ibrahim # Police officers fear Ibrahim being jailed could have left Shah profoundly upset"
This does all sound like something out of an action movie, hijacking a plane full of passengers and landing at a secret location leaving the world clueless as to what has actually happened.
I am waiting for The Heil to blame either immigrants/single mothers/the unions/Ed Miliband/the EU for the plane going missing.
I have not heard anything about posible decompression. It is a slow process. People faint and then die of lack of oxygen. The plane will keep on flying until the fuel runs out.
Isn't that how Payne Stewart die d ?
It was one of the first theories. The passengers and crew have a different oxygen compartment, so at the height it was at when it went wrong it would have taken 5-10 seconds for the passengers to die(hence no sos from the passengers), it would have taken the pilots 15-20 seconds, among all the pandemonium would have gave the pilots the time to try and turn the plane, which could have been why the sudden change of direction.....so the theory goes.
"Doomed airliner pilot was political fanatic: Hours before taking control of flight MH370 he attended trial of jailed opposition leader as FBI reveal passengers could be at a secret location
# Investigators speak of his 'obsessive' support for opposition leader Anwar Ibrahim # Police officers fear Ibrahim being jailed could have left Shah profoundly upset"
This does all sound like something out of an action movie, hijacking a plane full of passengers and landing at a secret location leaving the world clueless as to what has actually happened.
I am waiting for The Heil to blame either immigrants/single mothers/the unions/Ed Miliband/the EU for the plane going missing.
I have not heard anything about posible decompression. It is a slow process. People faint and then die of lack of oxygen. The plane will keep on flying until the fuel runs out.
Isn't that how Payne Stewart died ?
Yes. It's called Hypoxia. You literally just go to sleep and die.
It was considered as a method of execution here but was discarded as being too painless and wouldn't give the relatives witnessing much to watch for 'closure'.
Peter Kellner has done a piece in the Sunday Times on the economy headlined,
Labour starts to lose argument about economy - The latest YouGov poll shows the Tories are persuading voters their plan is working, writes Peter Kellner
This is the key stat
Only 19% now think the economy would be doing better had Labour won the 2010 election — the lowest figure yet.
"Doomed airliner pilot was political fanatic: Hours before taking control of flight MH370 he attended trial of jailed opposition leader as FBI reveal passengers could be at a secret location
# Investigators speak of his 'obsessive' support for opposition leader Anwar Ibrahim # Police officers fear Ibrahim being jailed could have left Shah profoundly upset"
This does all sound like something out of an action movie, hijacking a plane full of passengers and landing at a secret location leaving the world clueless as to what has actually happened.
I am waiting for The Heil to blame either immigrants/single mothers/the unions/Ed Miliband/the EU for the plane going missing.
Well if it was part of the gold reserves supposedly stolen from Ukraine then you could link it to the EU and do a bit of guilt by association but it'd be a stretch.
Peter Kellner has done a piece in the Sunday Times on the economy headlined,
Labour starts to lose argument about economy - The latest YouGov poll shows the Tories are persuading voters their plan is working, writes Peter Kellner
This is the key stat
Only 19% now think the economy would be doing better had Labour won the 2010 election — the lowest figure yet.
I think that post would have worked better with one of the earlier Yougov polls. Just looks a bit silly after Labour goes back into the 40's.
"Doomed airliner pilot was political fanatic: Hours before taking control of flight MH370 he attended trial of jailed opposition leader as FBI reveal passengers could be at a secret location
# Investigators speak of his 'obsessive' support for opposition leader Anwar Ibrahim # Police officers fear Ibrahim being jailed could have left Shah profoundly upset"
This does all sound like something out of an action movie, hijacking a plane full of passengers and landing at a secret location leaving the world clueless as to what has actually happened.
I am waiting for The Heil to blame either immigrants/single mothers/the unions/Ed Miliband/the EU for the plane going missing.
Well if it was part of the gold reserves supposedly stolen from Ukraine then you could link it to the EU and do a bit of guilt by association but it'd be a stretch.
"Doomed airliner pilot was political fanatic: Hours before taking control of flight MH370 he attended trial of jailed opposition leader as FBI reveal passengers could be at a secret location
# Investigators speak of his 'obsessive' support for opposition leader Anwar Ibrahim # Police officers fear Ibrahim being jailed could have left Shah profoundly upset"
This does all sound like something out of an action movie, hijacking a plane full of passengers and landing at a secret location leaving the world clueless as to what has actually happened.
I am waiting for The Heil to blame either immigrants/single mothers/the unions/Ed Miliband/the EU for the plane going missing.
I have not heard anything about posible decompression. It is a slow process. People faint and then die of lack of oxygen. The plane will keep on flying until the fuel runs out.
Isn't that how Payne Stewart die d ?
Surby
Decompression followed by a Payne Stewart like ghost flight was top of the theories a couple of days ago and remains a possibility.
However, deliberate intervention by a knowledgeable aviator would have been required to disable both the transponders and ACARS (system reporting) systems. The subsequent recorded flight path (as detected by primary radar operated by the Malaysian military) and then the Inmarsat satellite suggests but does not prove that the plane was sound and being actively navigated.
Decompression is still being considered as the result of the plane ascending rapidly to 45,000 feet, beyond its rated altitude and then descending to a low flight altitude, 23,000 feet. If this manoeuvre was carried out (there is much debate on this), then its effect would have been to knock out the entire cabin crew and passengers as the emergency oxygen masks would not have enabled them to survive in a decompressed cabin at an altitude of FL450. This theory still requires the pilots/hijackers to deliberately cause cabin decompression, which in ordinary conditions would have been difficult.
Peter Kellner has done a piece in the Sunday Times on the economy headlined,
Labour starts to lose argument about economy - The latest YouGov poll shows the Tories are persuading voters their plan is working, writes Peter Kellner
This is the key stat
Only 19% now think the economy would be doing better had Labour won the 2010 election — the lowest figure yet.
I think that post would have worked better with one of the earlier Yougov polls. Just looks a bit silly after Labour goes back into the 40's.
It's from the same poll, along with quite a few supplementaries that would upset the two Eds and cheer the coalition.
Peter Kellner has done a piece in the Sunday Times on the economy headlined,
Labour starts to lose argument about economy - The latest YouGov poll shows the Tories are persuading voters their plan is working, writes Peter Kellner
This is the key stat
Only 19% now think the economy would be doing better had Labour won the 2010 election — the lowest figure yet.
I think that post would have worked better with one of the earlier Yougov polls. Just looks a bit silly after Labour goes back into the 40's.
It's from the same poll, along with quite a few supplementaries that would upset the two Eds and cheer the coalition.
Is Basil still waiting for the NHS winter crisis predicted by the PBKinnocks?
No, Basil is waiting for the next batch of Tramadol which he needs seeing he has helped me carry the PB Hodges polling crossover goalposts for over a year.
It's from the same poll, along with quite a few supplementaries that would upset the two Eds and cheer the coalition.
Not sure about that. If you get a poll with a 7-point lead and the supplementaries show that the same people think you're an axe-murderer, you actually are showing rather a robust lead. The importance of what people think should have happened in 2010 or earlier is diminishing, too. But as with the 3-point leads, we can't read too much into one poll.
Overly literal minded religious type upset over religious leader's sexual behavior staging the world's weirdest suicide and taking a planeload of people with him for company?
Peter Kellner has done a piece in the Sunday Times on the economy headlined,
Labour starts to lose argument about economy - The latest YouGov poll shows the Tories are persuading voters their plan is working, writes Peter Kellner
This is the key stat
Only 19% now think the economy would be doing better had Labour won the 2010 election — the lowest figure yet.
I think that post would have worked better with one of the earlier Yougov polls. Just looks a bit silly after Labour goes back into the 40's.
Cameron's plan is to push the Labourites over 40 thereby causing them to be killed off by Milbandian Obnoxia.
Once the cull is over the Labour share will drop to its 2010 level of 29% leaving the keys to No 10 firmly within the hands of the Eton Pop.
Tonight's Yougov - Using the Lambert and Butler model:
Swizzel Istanbul Method (1,000 runs of pony juice)
300% chance of swingback 265% chance of polling crossover by July 175% chance of Tory having most seats 130% chance of Tory majority 120% Chance of Tory majority of 560 seats or more 0% chance of Labour majority
The Gove anti-Etonian thing is odd. Con planning to ditch Cameron before election?
What, with crossover imminent and Cameron nailed on to win the election?
They'd be well past crossover if they had half of that Ukip number on top.
That is actually number three in the PB Hodges straw clutching list:
If the economy continues to grow If wages outstrip inflation If Ukip returns to the Tories If Lib Dems return home If Ukip only take off the Tories in safe Tory areas If Labour voters don't vote tactically in Lib Dem seats If Toby gets his way and Ukip and Tory voters vote tactically If Ukip goes to 5% If the Lib Dems head back towards 20% If Ed remains crap If house prices soar If Scotland votes for independence If Labours campaign is crap If Lynton gets his finger out If unemployment keeps falling If Cameron goes *ahem* cast iron on the in/out referendum If the Tory MP's of the right stop their suicide mission If the unions pull the plug on Labours money so they cannot fund a campaign If there is a breakout of war If the falling Tory membership still manages to campaign hard If only they had got the boundary changes through If there is swingback If Ashcrofts marginal polling is wrong If the Tory vote was spread out more like Labours and not building up in seats that are safe If Ed is found eating kittens or some other scandal If the Lib Dems get rid of Nick Clegg and replace him with someone more left wing If Ukip don't stand against Euro-sceptic Tory MP's If the focus goes back onto the two Ed's
The Gove anti-Etonian thing is odd. Con planning to ditch Cameron before election?
What, with crossover imminent and Cameron nailed on to win the election?
They'd be well past crossover if they had half of that Ukip number on top.
That is actually number three in the PB Hodges straw clutching list:
If the economy continues to grow If wages outstrip inflation If Ukip returns to the Tories If Lib Dems return home If Ukip only take off the Tories in safe Tory areas If Labour voters don't vote tactically in Lib Dem seats If Toby gets his way and Ukip and Tory voters vote tactically If Ukip goes to 5% If the Lib Dems head back towards 20% If Ed remains crap If house prices soar If Scotland votes for independence If Labours campaign is crap If Lynton gets his finger out If unemployment keeps falling If Cameron goes *ahem* cast iron on the in/out referendum If the Tory MP's of the right stop their suicide mission If the unions pull the plug on Labours money so they cannot fund a campaign If there is a breakout of war If the falling Tory membership still manages to campaign hard If only they had got the boundary changes through If there is swingback If Ashcrofts marginal polling is wrong If the Tory vote was spread out more like Labours and not building up in seats that are safe If Ed is found eating kittens or some other scandal If the Lib Dems get rid of Nick Clegg and replace him with someone more left wing If Ukip don't stand against Euro-sceptic Tory MP's If the focus goes back onto the two Ed's
If the situation was exactly as it is now except they had 1/2 that Ukip number on top.
Comments
Mliband is going to get hammered for being a socialist/communist by the right wing press regardless of what he says. So it's baffling why he feels the need to keep trying to walk the Blairite line of not saying too much and always defining yourself by your opponents policies.
Obviously you can't give the tories and the right wing press too many hostages to fortune but that press is increasingly unheeded by the public anyway. Little Ed needs to grab as many voters as possible from his own labour base and those lib dems who left in disgust at calamity Clegg and his tory/lib dem 'love in'. He won't do that by triangulating on every tory policy while copying their economic prescription of seemingly endless austerity.
Back to the drawing board for the dire Senior and his hopeless spin.
Comedy Gold!
It is a return to the dark ages of PB.
Mark Senior and Stuart Dickson arguing over the sizes of their sub-samples.
Would you like a recitation of all the times his own backbenchers have humiliated Cammie already? It's quite a list. They don't need to change the leader (they don't have the balls or the numbers to do that anyway) to make Cammie's life a misery as they have proved often enough before now. They want red lines and red meat on the EU and they will do something about it if May is bad for Cameron and the tories.
2011: Con 38%, Lab 37%, LD 16%
2012: Con 33%, Lab 39%, LD 15%
2013: Con 26%, Lab 29%, LD 13%, UKIP 22%
ComRes Westminster: Con 32%, Lab 35%, LD 9%, UKIP 16%
ComRes EU Parliament: Con 21%, Lab 28%, LD 8%, UKIP 30%
Will the local elections follow Westminster VI or EU VI ? UKIP could have a landmark night if they can hold their EU converts.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection
You really are a classic case study.
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Observer/Pix/pictures/2011/2/4/1296858816865/Get-Clegg-007.jpg
*chortle*
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection
It is you down to a tee.
Poor old lib dems. No wonder they take such a hammering at local elections with fools like that supporting Clegg. I expect another hammering will be spun as a 'triumph for Clegg'. They're a political irrelevance in scotland already with a taxi full of MSPs but Clegg's ostrich faction aren't satisfied with that and seem intent on killing as much of their party as possible elsewhere too.
Gawain Towler @GawainTowler 5m
ComRes poll has SW&Wales polling @UKIP 36% Con 24% Lab 21% L/D 8% GN 1% PC 10% on 2010 Westminster weighting...
Lets look at the argument that Osborne/*unt is making for the NHS that only people not getting their up to 3.5% progression pay increase (which is only given/earned if the person has attained certain levels of achievement in the past year).
Only a very small proportion will receive the maximum upgrade of wages due to the hard work they have put in.
The rest will either receive nothing or now, 1%, or will receive under the 3%, which means that most workers have received less than inflation wage rises for the past 5 years.
Then they look at MP's getting 11%. Er! I don't think that in the Budget, raising the basic level of Income Tax will cut the mustard.
There is a lot of anger around, hopefully it won't boil over but I won't hold my breath.
Edited: Just thought that any Coalition politician going into their local A&E for in ingrowing toenail may not come out alive.
http://goo.gl/3Lhmo8
Definitely funny. Quite sad too. But mostly plain funny.
Whatever the merits of the rest of your comment, you're talking about something else.
Con 17%, Lab 39%, LD 7%, Plaid 12%, UKIP 18%.
http://www.itv.com/news/wales/update/2014-02-17/ukip-leap-to-second-place/
So UKIP must be doing very very well in SW England.
All the talking heads also seem to agree that the objective was to make the plane dark and untrackable, and then surreptitiously fly it out of the Malaysia area and to points unknown, thus to secure an operational aircraft, for future use.
We now have the two arcs from the satellite pings - the northern one and the southern one.
The northern one takes the plane through the Himalayas and to the -stans, where there are plenty of anti-Chinese and anti-western groups who would be only too happy to acquire a 777 for future use. It is a vast area, and all that is needed is a 7500 ft landing strip and a large hangar for the plane to be on the ground and invisible to overhead scrutiny.
The southern arc goes out over the Indian Ocean, with no land in sight. Unless Emilio Largo was there on the Disco Volante waiting to turn on the underwater landing lights, this seems unlikely. Why go to all the trouble of disabling the tracking systems just to crash it into the sea? Why not just crash it into the South China Sea and be done with it?
The NTSB, AAIB and Malaysian Air Force have now each independently analyzed the Inmarsat and radar data and all 3 came up with the same result. Unfortunately so far there is only data from a single Inmarsat satellite, hence the arcs and lack of triangulation.
Of course, for all anyone knows, the plane could be sitting at the bottom of the ocean.
They are also now saying the transponders were switched off BEFORE the final "Alright, good night." contact.
It goes without saying the US, UK and Malaysians know much more than they're making public.
In my experience most Labour, Tory and SNP members and supporters are fairly normal people, but I've barely come across a Lib Dem that wasn't a weirdo. I don't think I've ever met a UKIPer in my entire life, so not possible to form an opinion. Greens and SSP types are generally great folk, but a tad too earnest.
Related to the EU wanting to drown them maybe.
Cameron/Clegg Rose Garden love-in was 'sickening', says Lib Dem adviser Julia Goldsworthy http://ind.pn/1iqbxSO
Triumph for Calamity Clegg but only if you believe Andrew Neil??
Nick Clegg in 'cover-up' storm http://dailym.ai/1cemfJ4 via @MailOnline
Marco @_marcoaurelio23 46m
Mrs. Clegg, you must be proud of him Mrs. Clegg, another drop of gin? @LyricsFloyd
Hatred will be your downfall. Scott P should also take note.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-26546169
Oh and PB's comments system is still f**ked though curiously it only seems to be f**ked for me since it won't allow me to quote a long multiple linked comment like yours in full. Or indeed make a particularly long post at all.
Funny that.
Dominic Cummings: "I’m exposing Clegg’s gimmicks to stop him interfering with schools"
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2014/03/im-revealing-the-truth-behind-cleggs-free-school-meals-gimmick-to-stop-him-interfering-with-schools/
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-26577766
No idea what the Mail are getting at.
http://www.theecologist.org/News/news_analysis/2314258/leaked_memo_now_libdems_are_running_scared_of_the_greens.html … Does Nick Clegg have any integrity left in him at all?
Not the hardest of questions to answer if we're being honest, is it?
Even the serious forums are now entertaining ideas such as gold bullion heists and secret Kazakh landing strips. An indication of how desperate people are for information.
Doomed bid by Cameron to boost Tory prospects: "Cameron: my seven targets for a new EU | via @Telegraph http://fw.to/O7ytUCT " #UKIP
He discloses his broad agenda for renegotiating Britain’s membership, including demands for reform to Europe’s immigration, human rights and trade laws, as the price for remaining in the EU.
However, the Conservative leader warns Right-wingers in his party that achieving these changes will take “time and patience”, and urges Eurosceptics not to engage in “shouting from the sidelines”.
Fop chicken.
"broad" is putting it very kindly indeed. Nebulous and easily weaseled out of posturing is far closer to the mark.
: New controls to stop “vast migrations” across the continent when new countries join the EU;
:: Tighter immigration rules to ensure that migrants come to Britain to work, not as tourists planning to cash in on “free benefits”;
:: A new power for groups of national parliaments to work together to block unwanted European legislation;
:: Businesses to be freed from red tape and “excessive interference” from Brussels, and given access to new markets through “turbo charging” free trade deals with America and Asia;
:: British police and courts liberated from “unnecessary interference” from the European Court of Human Rights;
:: More power “flowing away” from Brussels to Britain and other member states, rather than increasingly centralising laws in the EU;
:: Abolishing the principle of “ever closer union” among EU member states, which Mr Cameron says is “not right for Britain”.
The LDs are no longer claiming that jobs are dependent on EU membership? Good.
When the military and commercial radar of the countries along the northern route are examined and compared with the exisiting timeline, much more accurate information could be forthcoming. That should happen soon. Having lost a week because the Malaysian government didn't like answering press questions, hasn't helped.
There are only 3 simple questions to be answered, said the FAA man today - where, what, and why.
Where is the airplane, what happened to it, and why did it happen.
Havet Storm, on the other hand, is much more interesting - Google tells me that he was the young Rebel agent who stole the Death Star superlaser plans for the Rebel Alliance. He later joined the Jedi Praxeum on Yavin 4 under the tutelage of Luke Skywalker, where he was killed by the Dark Jedi Desann.
LOL
'Are the wee YES chaps trying their be weally weally mean script again ? Still not working'
More a case of throwing in the towel after Salmond's triple whammy.
This is the best story. A gold heist. And it attracts the airline industry equivalents of Mark Senior too.
Let me explain.
1. Look up aircraft seat plan and passenger capacity. 283 seats.
2. Compare to passenger manifest. 225 (+ 2 infants)
3. Calculate underload of 58 seats.
4. Assume passenger underload was forced compliance with cargo overload regulations.
5. Calculate weight of gold which would trigger passenger seat reduction due to cargo overload.
6. Announce that plane must have been carrying 4.5 tonnes of gold.
7. Assume heist as motive.
LOL
I thought Gove was getting a preemptive strike in yesterday with this as there was another Blue on Blue bloodfest this weekend in the papers. Anymore Tory on Tory back stabbing yet? Any Team Bojo quotes?
It's very curious how coordinated all this 'speculation' seems to be, isn't it?
Laura McInerney @miss_mcinerney 13h
ConservativeHome ponders Gove's leadership chances. Less ludicrous than believing in Boris or Osborne, surely? http://bit.ly/1lEokkC
Laura McInerney @miss_mcinerney 13h
ConservativeHome ponders Gove's leadership chances. Less ludicrous than believing in Boris or Osborne, surely? http://bit.ly/1lEokkC
"There is a Team Boris and a Team Osborne, but there is no Team Gove, quietly preparing the ground for a future candidacy." Doesn't sound like a team convinced their leader will win the election....no?
Sounds like a team upset at all the old boy connections at the top of the tory party. Sounds very like a team that would start briefing against the chumocracy's Etonian connections.
Laura McInerney @miss_mcinerney 13h
ConservativeHome ponders Gove's leadership chances. Less ludicrous than believing in Boris or Osborne, surely? http://bit.ly/1lEokkCI thought including Mr Osborne in the recent Conservative PPB was an odd choice. I assume it's part of his leadership campaign.
http://youtu.be/WGUNf5SKnfg
'Still more self-deluding are those Eurosceptic voices calling for an in-out referendum even sooner, because they would lose it. The latest YouGov poll for the first time in years shows a small majority in favour of staying in...'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/10699561/Ed-Miliband-puts-David-Cameron-on-the-spot-over-the-EU.html
Laura McInerney @miss_mcinerney 13h
ConservativeHome ponders Gove's leadership chances. Less ludicrous than believing in Boris or Osborne, surely? http://bit.ly/1lEokkC
Better than your last effort. Laura McInerney has at least written a couple of times for the Guardian so is still a nobody but not as bad as StarWarsBoy below.
I wondered how she'd ever managed to produce 34,400 tweets but it seems she was a teacher - which explains how she had so much free time.
You would have thought that as the gap between the Labour Party and their went smaller in the polls they would be more professional and united. It makes me wonder what they all know that we don't for them over the last few weeks to have turned on each other with such venom.
"Doomed airliner pilot was political fanatic: Hours before taking control of flight MH370 he attended trial of jailed opposition leader as FBI reveal passengers could be at a secret location
# Investigators speak of his 'obsessive' support for opposition leader Anwar Ibrahim
# Police officers fear Ibrahim being jailed could have left Shah profoundly upset"
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2581817/Doomed-airliner-pilot-political-fanatic-Hours-taking-control-flight-MH370-attended-trial-jailed-opposition-leader-sodomite.htm
http://youtu.be/WGUNf5SKnfg
Why does Mr Cameron give the invisible man a hand job half way through that broadcast?
I wondered how she'd ever managed to produce 34,400 tweets but it seems she was a teacher - which explains how she had so much free time.
Good to see you have found something productive to do with yourself. TwitterGeoffrey the internet twitter cop!
http://img.metro.co.uk/i/pix/2011/06/14/article-1308065604545-0C8F600E00000578-504798_304x256.jpg
LOL
Maybe Emilio Largo survived his encounter with 007 after all.
Now Kevin McLory and MGM have resolved their differences, Largo can reappear :-)
http://img.metro.co.uk/i/pix/2011/06/14/article-1308065604545-0C8F600E00000578-504798_304x256.jpg
LOL
Nice pic! Ironically I'm going to steal it.
http://youtu.be/WGUNf5SKnfg
Any Osborne leadership would always be a 'continuity Cameron' bid by default. It's no secret Osbrowne has been the 'master strategist' while Cammie ran about doing amusing photo ops.
That alone would be a mountain to climb in any future leadership contest, never mind Osborne's toxic effect on most voters.
Isn't that how Payne Stewart die d ?
The Great Plane Robbery has allowed the Mail to expose its liberal leanings to readers.
The pilot was said by the Mail to have spend the afternoon before his evening flight attending the criminal trial of the opposition leader. Unfortunately Anwar Ibrahim, a former Deputy Prime Minister, was found guilty and sentenced to five years in prison. His crime? Sodomy.
Lab 40, Con 33, LD 8, UKIP 12.
It was considered as a method of execution here but was discarded as being too painless and wouldn't give the relatives witnessing much to watch for 'closure'.
Labour starts to lose argument about economy - The latest YouGov poll shows the Tories are persuading voters their plan is working, writes Peter Kellner
This is the key stat
Only 19% now think the economy would be doing better had Labour won the 2010 election — the lowest figure yet.
http://paxus.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/fatsquirrel.jpg
Onward Basil!
Decompression followed by a Payne Stewart like ghost flight was top of the theories a couple of days ago and remains a possibility.
However, deliberate intervention by a knowledgeable aviator would have been required to disable both the transponders and ACARS (system reporting) systems. The subsequent recorded flight path (as detected by primary radar operated by the Malaysian military) and then the Inmarsat satellite suggests but does not prove that the plane was sound and being actively navigated.
Decompression is still being considered as the result of the plane ascending rapidly to 45,000 feet, beyond its rated altitude and then descending to a low flight altitude, 23,000 feet. If this manoeuvre was carried out (there is much debate on this), then its effect would have been to knock out the entire cabin crew and passengers as the emergency oxygen masks would not have enabled them to survive in a decompressed cabin at an altitude of FL450. This theory still requires the pilots/hijackers to deliberately cause cabin decompression, which in ordinary conditions would have been difficult.
'Onward Basil!'
Is Basil still waiting for the NHS winter crisis predicted by the PBKinnocks?
Once the cull is over the Labour share will drop to its 2010 level of 29% leaving the keys to No 10 firmly within the hands of the Eton Pop.
Swizzel Istanbul Method (1,000 runs of pony juice)
300% chance of swingback
265% chance of polling crossover by July
175% chance of Tory having most seats
130% chance of Tory majority
120% Chance of Tory majority of 560 seats or more
0% chance of Labour majority
If the economy continues to grow
If wages outstrip inflation
If Ukip returns to the Tories
If Lib Dems return home
If Ukip only take off the Tories in safe Tory areas
If Labour voters don't vote tactically in Lib Dem seats
If Toby gets his way and Ukip and Tory voters vote tactically
If Ukip goes to 5%
If the Lib Dems head back towards 20%
If Ed remains crap
If house prices soar
If Scotland votes for independence
If Labours campaign is crap
If Lynton gets his finger out
If unemployment keeps falling
If Cameron goes *ahem* cast iron on the in/out referendum
If the Tory MP's of the right stop their suicide mission
If the unions pull the plug on Labours money so they cannot fund a campaign
If there is a breakout of war
If the falling Tory membership still manages to campaign hard
If only they had got the boundary changes through
If there is swingback
If Ashcrofts marginal polling is wrong
If the Tory vote was spread out more like Labours and not building up in seats that are safe
If Ed is found eating kittens or some other scandal
If the Lib Dems get rid of Nick Clegg and replace him with someone more left wing
If Ukip don't stand against Euro-sceptic Tory MP's
If the focus goes back onto the two Ed's
(b) A few hours before the flight, the opposition leader was sentenced to a jail sentence on trumped-up sodomy charges.
Seems like a very big coincidence.