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I’m not sure if this is a good or bad strategy by Trump – politicalbetting.com

SystemSystem Posts: 12,051
edited September 29 in General
I’m not sure if this is a good or bad strategy by Trump – politicalbetting.com

Trump says "There will be no third debate" pic.twitter.com/J11Cd9jJPu

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  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 70,652
    Other way round, surely? His best hope of reversing that jump in Harris’ leads is by having another debate. Especially since not doing so makes him look frit.
  • ydoethur said:

    Other way round, surely? His best hope of reversing that jump in Harris’ leads is by having another debate. Especially since not doing so makes him look frit.

    I've listened to a few podcasts with reports from inside the Trump camp, made both privately and on the media. His own team think he utterly blew it. If he wanted another debate it would be a disaster. Best to leave it there.
  • Trump has got that horrible strategic problem.

    On these figures, he is surely unambiguously behind, in need of something to mix things up.

    But on the basis of his performance in this week's debate, another debate will probably make things worse for him.

    And the option that a smart gambler would use- walk away and put the losses down to experience- isn't really open to him.

    Such a shame.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 61,505
    Postal ballots start going out soon in some states I think?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 61,505
    as trump is a pathological liar can we assume there's definitely going to be a 3rd debate?
  • ydoethur said:

    Other way round, surely? His best hope of reversing that jump in Harris’ leads is by having another debate. Especially since not doing so makes him look frit.

    The more the voters see him on the telly the worse it gets for him is my logic.
  • Trump - as I called - has totally lost his shit and will now sink his own campaign. Whilst the perception was that "45%" would vote for him whatever he said, that's already demonstrably not the case.

    Republicans for Harris is a real thing, and its starting to gather momentum. The more that name conservatives declare for the conservative candidate, the more that conservative voters will follow.

    Trump will be left with the radicals, the deranged, satan-following evangelicals and the remaining gas-breathing drones. The election is over. Only question now is how big she wins.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 51,762
    Trump needs to become the Comeback Kid.

    Although, I wouldn't wish being a prepper for that next debate on my worst enemy Nigel Farage....
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 2,984
    edited September 13
    He sounds scared and brittle.

    It is not a good look. The path to a fluke EC victory (seems no chance he tops the popular vote) is getting narrower.

    Constant endorsements of Harris by mainstream Republicans just gives a sense that Trump is drifting.

    He´s not down yet, but the clock certainly is ticking.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 61,505
    Cicero said:

    He sounds scared and brittle.

    It is not a good look. The path to a fluke EC victory (seems no chance he tops the popular vote) is getting narrower.

    Constant endorsements of Harris by mainstream Republicans just gives a sense that Trump is drifting.

    He´s not down yet, but the clock certainly is ticking.

    How long until we see sackings in the Trump campaign and a "reset"?

    Time is running out and the orange jump suit beckons...
  • darkagedarkage Posts: 5,215
    I am concerned the government do not understand inflation and what causes it. If you take this as an example:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cqjlxxejreeo

    Ban on rental bidding wars is on the way - but will it work?

    "The government has set out plans to end bidding wars as part of a wider Renters' Rights Bill, which was published on Wednesday.

    Under the legislation, which still needs to be approved by MPs and peers, landlords and letting agents would be legally required to publish an asking rent for their property and banned from encouraging or accepting any bids above this price."


    It took me one second to realise what this would probably do. It is likely to just mean that asking prices for rents will increase substantially, if the legislation is enforced, with the 'bids' being up to the asking price, which would be the highest price possible.

    Interfering with the market to solve a problem like this (high rents) is typically regarded as a bad idea for very good reasons.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 47,769

    Postal ballots start going out soon in some states I think?

    They already started in North Carolina on 6th September.

    There are more in September too:

    Alabama (Sept. 11), Kentucky (Sept. 16), Pennsylvania (Sept. 16), Wisconsin (Sept. 19), Arkansas (Sept. 20), Minnesota (Sept. 20), New York (Sept. 20), South Dakota (Sept. 20), Virginia (Sept. 20), West Virginia (Sept. 20), Idaho (Sept. 21), Louisiana (Sept. 21), New Jersey (Sept. 21), Texas (Sept. 21), Maryland (Sept. 23), Mississippi (Sept. 23), Vermont (Sept. 23), Missouri (Sept. 24), Florida (Sept. 26), Illinois (Sept. 26), Michigan (Sept. 26), North Dakota (Sept. 26), District of Columbia (Sept. 30), and Nebraska (Sept. 30).
  • mercatormercator Posts: 815
    ydoethur said:

    Other way round, surely? His best hope of reversing that jump in Harris’ leads is by having another debate. Especially since not doing so makes him look frit.

    The passage of time tends to reverse bounces, another debate risks another Harris bounce. His handlers will have been rattled by catgate and be wondering wtf he will say next if given a platform again. For all we know they are concocting the polling which shows him winning the debate 95 - 5 to dissuade him from having another go.

    The fact remains Trump leads where the topic matters, economy and immigration, and Harris's polling leads are popular vote, which is irrelevant. His followers will be going strictly Ming vase if they have any sense (debatable).
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 47,769

    Cicero said:

    He sounds scared and brittle.

    It is not a good look. The path to a fluke EC victory (seems no chance he tops the popular vote) is getting narrower.

    Constant endorsements of Harris by mainstream Republicans just gives a sense that Trump is drifting.

    He´s not down yet, but the clock certainly is ticking.

    How long until we see sackings in the Trump campaign and a "reset"?

    Time is running out and the orange jump suit beckons...
    Does Trump take direction and advice from anyone? He always strikes me as doing his own thing.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,182
    darkage said:

    I am concerned the government do not understand inflation and what causes it. If you take this as an example:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cqjlxxejreeo

    Ban on rental bidding wars is on the way - but will it work?

    "The government has set out plans to end bidding wars as part of a wider Renters' Rights Bill, which was published on Wednesday.

    Under the legislation, which still needs to be approved by MPs and peers, landlords and letting agents would be legally required to publish an asking rent for their property and banned from encouraging or accepting any bids above this price."


    It took me one second to realise what this would probably do. It is likely to just mean that asking prices for rents will increase substantially, if the legislation is enforced, with the 'bids' being up to the asking price, which would be the highest price possible.

    Interfering with the market to solve a problem like this (high rents) is typically regarded as a bad idea for very good reasons.

    Yep. Exactly this.

    Leftwing populism
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 51,762

    Cicero said:

    He sounds scared and brittle.

    It is not a good look. The path to a fluke EC victory (seems no chance he tops the popular vote) is getting narrower.

    Constant endorsements of Harris by mainstream Republicans just gives a sense that Trump is drifting.

    He´s not down yet, but the clock certainly is ticking.

    How long until we see sackings in the Trump campaign and a "reset"?

    Time is running out and the orange jump suit beckons...
    A reset for the Vice President pick is surely too late. Disastrous as he has been, Trump is so damn hornery that he cannot admit Vance was a bad call. He is strapped to him like the Titanic's anchor.

    Any other sackings from inside the campaign will predictably lead to various news cycles dominated by those telling tales of just how mad the old bastard really is.

    He is stuck with who he has. Also, who in their right mind would join to try and salvage his camapign? If it worked and he becomes President, you are made for life four years. But you would have to have a planet-sized sense of self-belief to think you could make the difference - and have Trump actually listen to you.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 7,921
    edited September 13
    darkage said:

    I am concerned the government do not understand inflation and what causes it. If you take this as an example:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cqjlxxejreeo

    Ban on rental bidding wars is on the way - but will it work?

    "The government has set out plans to end bidding wars as part of a wider Renters' Rights Bill, which was published on Wednesday.

    Under the legislation, which still needs to be approved by MPs and peers, landlords and letting agents would be legally required to publish an asking rent for their property and banned from encouraging or accepting any bids above this price."


    It took me one second to realise what this would probably do. It is likely to just mean that asking prices for rents will increase substantially, if the legislation is enforced, with the 'bids' being up to the asking price, which would be the highest price possible.

    Interfering with the market to solve a problem like this (high rents) is typically regarded as a bad idea for very good reasons.

    Sure, but the bidding process is additional stress for tenants and a huge waste of time for all those who are unsuccessful. I'm deeply grateful that we don't have it in Scotland.

    I'm not even sure you're right that the market price would be unaffected. Auctions are designed to squeeze as much consumer surplus as possible out of the transaction, so a fixed price will be at worst the same as the auction price, and perhaps lower.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 68,813

    First like Trump in the Debate

    Monumental.
    Well, the second bit of that.
  • Trump - as I called - has totally lost his shit and will now sink his own campaign. Whilst the perception was that "45%" would vote for him whatever he said, that's already demonstrably not the case.

    Republicans for Harris is a real thing, and its starting to gather momentum. The more that name conservatives declare for the conservative candidate, the more that conservative voters will follow.

    Trump will be left with the radicals, the deranged, satan-following evangelicals and the remaining gas-breathing drones. The election is over. Only question now is how big she wins.

    Blimey. Wish I had a tenth of your confidence on this one.
    My confidence is built on 2 things:
    1. Trust in Trump to completely fall apart. That is now happening before our eyes
    2. Confidence that Harris will look like the sane choice, even for moderate republicans

    There is this obsession with patriotism in America which boggles the mind. But it is a trip wire which makes it really hard for "patriots" who aren't mad to vote for the lunatic who will demolish the thing you are patriotic about.

    Trump is falling apart, will only get worse (watch him fire the sane advisors and rely on the core of mentalists screaming that the debate was "rigged" because Harris was given the questions beforehand), and will actively propel more and more conservatives to vote for the conservative candidate - Harris.

    Perhaps I will be proven wrong. But I'm feeling pretty good about coming out weeks ago proclaiming that Harris will win bigly.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 68,813
    mercator said:

    ydoethur said:

    Other way round, surely? His best hope of reversing that jump in Harris’ leads is by having another debate. Especially since not doing so makes him look frit.

    The passage of time tends to reverse bounces, another debate risks another Harris bounce. His handlers will have been rattled by catgate and be wondering wtf he will say next if given a platform again. For all we know they are concocting the polling which shows him winning the debate 95 - 5 to dissuade him from having another go.

    The fact remains Trump leads where the topic matters, economy and immigration, and Harris's polling leads are popular vote, which is irrelevant. His followers will be going strictly Ming vase if they have any sense (debatable).
    You really think gilded toilet guy is into Ming porcelain ?
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 7,921
    Eabhal said:

    darkage said:

    I am concerned the government do not understand inflation and what causes it. If you take this as an example:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cqjlxxejreeo

    Ban on rental bidding wars is on the way - but will it work?

    "The government has set out plans to end bidding wars as part of a wider Renters' Rights Bill, which was published on Wednesday.

    Under the legislation, which still needs to be approved by MPs and peers, landlords and letting agents would be legally required to publish an asking rent for their property and banned from encouraging or accepting any bids above this price."


    It took me one second to realise what this would probably do. It is likely to just mean that asking prices for rents will increase substantially, if the legislation is enforced, with the 'bids' being up to the asking price, which would be the highest price possible.

    Interfering with the market to solve a problem like this (high rents) is typically regarded as a bad idea for very good reasons.

    Sure, but the bidding process is additional stress for tenants and a huge waste of time for all those who are unsuccessful. I'm deeply grateful that we don't have it in Scotland.

    I'm not even sure you're right that the market price would be unaffected. Auctions are designed to squeeze as much consumer surplus as possible out of the transaction, so a fixed price will be at worst the same as the auction price, and perhaps lower.
    Put it this way: if auctions are likely to obtain the same rent as in a fixed price market, why do landlords tolerate the cost of them?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 68,813

    Trump - as I called - has totally lost his shit and will now sink his own campaign. Whilst the perception was that "45%" would vote for him whatever he said, that's already demonstrably not the case.

    Republicans for Harris is a real thing, and its starting to gather momentum. The more that name conservatives declare for the conservative candidate, the more that conservative voters will follow.

    Trump will be left with the radicals, the deranged, satan-following evangelicals and the remaining gas-breathing drones. The election is over. Only question now is how big she wins.

    Blimey. Wish I had a tenth of your confidence on this one.
    As someone asked a week or so back, what if it's not close ?
  • darkagedarkage Posts: 5,215
    ydoethur said:

    Other way round, surely? His best hope of reversing that jump in Harris’ leads is by having another debate. Especially since not doing so makes him look frit.

    I watched part of the actual debate.
    Firstly, I have said before that I would vote for Harris (if I had to choose, which I fortunately don't), which is still the case. But I thought that Trump was much better. The reporting of the debate on every news channel was that 'Harris won' with the dominant meme created being Trump's comments about migrants eating pets. But in the debate I thought that Harris was poor. She sounded anxious and nervous and lacked Biden's skill in deflecting Trump.

    I expect Trump will play up the idea that there is a massive conspiracy against him, and the media are biased against him in their reporting of any debate, so he won't do it.

  • FPT
    ydoethur said:

    carnforth said:

    So I made an announcement at work that has caused so much rancour.

    Apparently I am like one of those gay bashing televangelists who gets caught cottaging.

    All because I announced tomorrow I am having a doner kebab pizza for the first time.


    Deviated prevert
    Septums may be deviated, perverts are deviant.
    “I think you're some kind of deviated prevert. I think General Ripper found out about your preversion, and that you were organizing some kind of mutiny of preverts.”
    The admiration some people have for Trump definitely counts as a Strange love.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIrm0dHbCDU
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 51,762
    darkage said:

    I am concerned the government do not understand inflation and what causes it. If you take this as an example:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cqjlxxejreeo

    Ban on rental bidding wars is on the way - but will it work?

    "The government has set out plans to end bidding wars as part of a wider Renters' Rights Bill, which was published on Wednesday.

    Under the legislation, which still needs to be approved by MPs and peers, landlords and letting agents would be legally required to publish an asking rent for their property and banned from encouraging or accepting any bids above this price."


    It took me one second to realise what this would probably do. It is likely to just mean that asking prices for rents will increase substantially, if the legislation is enforced, with the 'bids' being up to the asking price, which would be the highest price possible.

    Interfering with the market to solve a problem like this (high rents) is typically regarded as a bad idea for very good reasons.

    Nothing to stop landlords going for an "asking price" at least 20% over what they would actually accept. There will be people deseprate enough to make an offer mid way.

    How do Labour plan to win the battle of mid way?
  • Our first voting intention since the GE is in today’s Politico Playbook. Labour’s lead sits at 4 points.

    🌹LAB 29% (-6)
    🌳CON 25% (-)
    🔶 LIB DEM 14% (+2)
    ➡️ REF UK 18% (+3)
    💚 GREEN 8% (+2)
    🟡 SNP 3% (-)

    Changes with GE 2024 (GB only)
    10-12 September, N = 2,018


    https://x.com/LukeTryl/status/1834487278686675366
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 70,652
    darkage said:

    ydoethur said:

    Other way round, surely? His best hope of reversing that jump in Harris’ leads is by having another debate. Especially since not doing so makes him look frit.

    I watched part of the actual debate.
    Firstly, I have said before that I would vote for Harris (if I had to choose, which I fortunately don't), which is still the case. But I thought that Trump was much better. The reporting of the debate on every news channel was that 'Harris won' with the dominant meme created being Trump's comments about migrants eating pets. But in the debate I thought that Harris was poor. She sounded anxious and nervous and lacked Biden's skill in deflecting Trump.

    I expect Trump will play up the idea that there is a massive conspiracy against him, and the media are biased against him in their reporting of any debate, so he won't do it.

    So did I, and I didn’t see that. I saw somebody laughing in both amusement and bemusement as Trump came out with one crazy, manifest lie after another expressed in barely coherent English.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 47,769
    Nigelb said:

    Trump - as I called - has totally lost his shit and will now sink his own campaign. Whilst the perception was that "45%" would vote for him whatever he said, that's already demonstrably not the case.

    Republicans for Harris is a real thing, and its starting to gather momentum. The more that name conservatives declare for the conservative candidate, the more that conservative voters will follow.

    Trump will be left with the radicals, the deranged, satan-following evangelicals and the remaining gas-breathing drones. The election is over. Only question now is how big she wins.

    Blimey. Wish I had a tenth of your confidence on this one.
    As someone asked a week or so back, what if it's not close ?
    I think electoral College votes are highly correlated rather than independent events. If NC flips, then more than likely that other states either stay blue or flip. Vice versa too so if Trump wins PA then Michigan may flip too. The chances of a decisive EC vote are high, even if many states are 51/49.

    So believers in "not close" might be better betting on EC votes rather than individual states.

  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 68,813
    The decline in the last eight years isn't hard to see. As with Biden, there's no need to call him demented to see that he's not up to four more years as president. Even if you're a diehard Republican (who isn't delusional).

    We compared Trump’s debate answers from 2016 to the ones he gave this week after the very first question on immigration..
    https://x.com/Acyn/status/1834422988776899018

    The GOP doesn't have a Pelosi to tell him the hard truth.
  • darkagedarkage Posts: 5,215

    Trump - as I called - has totally lost his shit and will now sink his own campaign. Whilst the perception was that "45%" would vote for him whatever he said, that's already demonstrably not the case.

    Republicans for Harris is a real thing, and its starting to gather momentum. The more that name conservatives declare for the conservative candidate, the more that conservative voters will follow.

    Trump will be left with the radicals, the deranged, satan-following evangelicals and the remaining gas-breathing drones. The election is over. Only question now is how big she wins.

    Blimey. Wish I had a tenth of your confidence on this one.
    My confidence is built on 2 things:
    1. Trust in Trump to completely fall apart. That is now happening before our eyes
    2. Confidence that Harris will look like the sane choice, even for moderate republicans

    There is this obsession with patriotism in America which boggles the mind. But it is a trip wire which makes it really hard for "patriots" who aren't mad to vote for the lunatic who will demolish the thing you are patriotic about.

    Trump is falling apart, will only get worse (watch him fire the sane advisors and rely on the core of mentalists screaming that the debate was "rigged" because Harris was given the questions beforehand), and will actively propel more and more conservatives to vote for the conservative candidate - Harris.

    Perhaps I will be proven wrong. But I'm feeling pretty good about coming out weeks ago proclaiming that Harris will win bigly.
    The idea that 'sanity will prevail' over Trump has been suggested many times over the last 9 years, but it doesn't seem to happen.
    What I think people don't see is that there is another risk of Harris falling apart. Her persona is a construction of the establishment but she did sound very weak and nervous in the last debate, and has a history of mistakes and misjudgements.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 51,762
    edited September 13
    mercator said:

    ydoethur said:

    Other way round, surely? His best hope of reversing that jump in Harris’ leads is by having another debate. Especially since not doing so makes him look frit.

    The passage of time tends to reverse bounces, another debate risks another Harris bounce. His handlers will have been rattled by catgate and be wondering wtf he will say next if given a platform again. For all we know they are concocting the polling which shows him winning the debate 95 - 5 to dissuade him from having another go.

    The fact remains Trump leads where the topic matters, economy and immigration, and Harris's polling leads are popular vote, which is irrelevant. His followers will be going strictly Ming vase if they have any sense (debatable).
    Harris can spend a chunk of her enormous war chest on getting the message across that the group who commit the least amount of crime are undocumented immigrants. Because they have the most to fear from getting caught - deportation. That holds true for all classes of crime.

    If Trump wants to solve the crime problem, then he needs to address the homespun criminals - native-born or documented immigrant men. They commit the vast majority of crime in America. Maybe Trump could, oh I don't know, send them to Rwanda?

    Until he realises they vote for him.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 47,769

    Our first voting intention since the GE is in today’s Politico Playbook. Labour’s lead sits at 4 points.

    🌹LAB 29% (-6)
    🌳CON 25% (-)
    🔶 LIB DEM 14% (+2)
    ➡️ REF UK 18% (+3)
    💚 GREEN 8% (+2)
    🟡 SNP 3% (-)

    Changes with GE 2024 (GB only)
    10-12 September, N = 2,018


    https://x.com/LukeTryl/status/1834487278686675366

    Difficult to know quite what it means without knowing if they have tinkered with methodology, but it looks like Labour is shedding votes to Greens and LDs rather than to the blue and turquoise meanies.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 53,376
    edited September 13
    Unpopular opinion incoming. As told by Trump supporters.

    When there’s a boxing match, the winner says “I won”, and the loser says “Can we have a rematch?”

    Trump was all up for a series of debates, it was Team Harris that only wanted this one debate, in a carefully-controlled environment with a very friendly team of presenters.

    Now that debate has happened, and Harris didn’t totally implode as they thought she might, they’re looking for another.

    Trump will want the next debate on Fox, with an audience present and without the presenters “fact-checking” one side and not the other.

    My personal view, is that there will be a week or two of back-and-forth, but they will eventually agree to another meeting. Both sides think they can win a second debate.
  • Though for completeness and balance, and because it's bad to selectively quote,

    Labour scores worsen too – but Labour still viewed more positively (36%) than Conservatives (24%). Public less negative about Labour (45%) than Conservatives too (57%).
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 53,376

    darkage said:

    I am concerned the government do not understand inflation and what causes it. If you take this as an example:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cqjlxxejreeo

    Ban on rental bidding wars is on the way - but will it work?

    "The government has set out plans to end bidding wars as part of a wider Renters' Rights Bill, which was published on Wednesday.

    Under the legislation, which still needs to be approved by MPs and peers, landlords and letting agents would be legally required to publish an asking rent for their property and banned from encouraging or accepting any bids above this price."


    It took me one second to realise what this would probably do. It is likely to just mean that asking prices for rents will increase substantially, if the legislation is enforced, with the 'bids' being up to the asking price, which would be the highest price possible.

    Interfering with the market to solve a problem like this (high rents) is typically regarded as a bad idea for very good reasons.

    Nothing to stop landlords going for an "asking price" at least 20% over what they would actually accept. There will be people deseprate enough to make an offer mid way.

    How do Labour plan to win the battle of mid way?
    Rent controls don’t work. Who knew?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 68,813

    Trump - as I called - has totally lost his shit and will now sink his own campaign. Whilst the perception was that "45%" would vote for him whatever he said, that's already demonstrably not the case.

    Republicans for Harris is a real thing, and its starting to gather momentum. The more that name conservatives declare for the conservative candidate, the more that conservative voters will follow.

    Trump will be left with the radicals, the deranged, satan-following evangelicals and the remaining gas-breathing drones. The election is over. Only question now is how big she wins.

    Blimey. Wish I had a tenth of your confidence on this one.
    My confidence is built on 2 things:
    1. Trust in Trump to completely fall apart. That is now happening before our eyes
    2. Confidence that Harris will look like the sane choice, even for moderate republicans..

    3. There are signs that his advisers, and the GOP at large, are starting to fall out.
    If that continues, it could become a rout.

    OTOH, there's always the possibility of a game changer, with unpredictable effects.
    What if, for example, Putin used a tactical nuke in Ukraine in retaliation for some Ukrainian success ?

  • darkage said:

    I am concerned the government do not understand inflation and what causes it. If you take this as an example:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cqjlxxejreeo

    Ban on rental bidding wars is on the way - but will it work?

    "The government has set out plans to end bidding wars as part of a wider Renters' Rights Bill, which was published on Wednesday.

    Under the legislation, which still needs to be approved by MPs and peers, landlords and letting agents would be legally required to publish an asking rent for their property and banned from encouraging or accepting any bids above this price."


    It took me one second to realise what this would probably do. It is likely to just mean that asking prices for rents will increase substantially, if the legislation is enforced, with the 'bids' being up to the asking price, which would be the highest price possible.

    Interfering with the market to solve a problem like this (high rents) is typically regarded as a bad idea for very good reasons.

    Whereas interfering in the rental market by bunging tens of billions of housing benefit to landlords is perfectly fine with the landlord owning classes. Even better as it is for the good of the poor little renters of course.
  • TazTaz Posts: 13,634
    darkage said:

    I am concerned the government do not understand inflation and what causes it. If you take this as an example:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cqjlxxejreeo

    Ban on rental bidding wars is on the way - but will it work?

    "The government has set out plans to end bidding wars as part of a wider Renters' Rights Bill, which was published on Wednesday.

    Under the legislation, which still needs to be approved by MPs and peers, landlords and letting agents would be legally required to publish an asking rent for their property and banned from encouraging or accepting any bids above this price."


    It took me one second to realise what this would probably do. It is likely to just mean that asking prices for rents will increase substantially, if the legislation is enforced, with the 'bids' being up to the asking price, which would be the highest price possible.

    Interfering with the market to solve a problem like this (high rents) is typically regarded as a bad idea for very good reasons.

    They will simply pass a law limiting the increases allowed in rent to something like RPI or CPI to try to circumvent this.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 70,652
    darkage said:

    Trump - as I called - has totally lost his shit and will now sink his own campaign. Whilst the perception was that "45%" would vote for him whatever he said, that's already demonstrably not the case.

    Republicans for Harris is a real thing, and its starting to gather momentum. The more that name conservatives declare for the conservative candidate, the more that conservative voters will follow.

    Trump will be left with the radicals, the deranged, satan-following evangelicals and the remaining gas-breathing drones. The election is over. Only question now is how big she wins.

    Blimey. Wish I had a tenth of your confidence on this one.
    My confidence is built on 2 things:
    1. Trust in Trump to completely fall apart. That is now happening before our eyes
    2. Confidence that Harris will look like the sane choice, even for moderate republicans

    There is this obsession with patriotism in America which boggles the mind. But it is a trip wire which makes it really hard for "patriots" who aren't mad to vote for the lunatic who will demolish the thing you are patriotic about.

    Trump is falling apart, will only get worse (watch him fire the sane advisors and rely on the core of mentalists screaming that the debate was "rigged" because Harris was given the questions beforehand), and will actively propel more and more conservatives to vote for the conservative candidate - Harris.

    Perhaps I will be proven wrong. But I'm feeling pretty good about coming out weeks ago proclaiming that Harris will win bigly.
    The idea that 'sanity will prevail' over Trump has been suggested many times over the last 9 years, but it doesn't seem to happen.
    What I think people don't see is that there is another risk of Harris falling apart. Her persona is a construction of the establishment but she did sound very weak and nervous in the last debate, and has a history of mistakes and misjudgements.
    It is very hard to see how she could 'fall apart' more than a 78-year-old criminal who babbles inanely about rally sizes, pets being eaten and the merits of electrocution vs being eaten by a shark.

    The damning truth is Trump was actually rather better in this debate than he was against Biden, but he was still a disaster. He might just improve with a third debate, but whether he does or not he desperately needs a game changer at this moment. The most likely such one would be another debate.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,520
    darkage said:

    Trump - as I called - has totally lost his shit and will now sink his own campaign. Whilst the perception was that "45%" would vote for him whatever he said, that's already demonstrably not the case.

    Republicans for Harris is a real thing, and its starting to gather momentum. The more that name conservatives declare for the conservative candidate, the more that conservative voters will follow.

    Trump will be left with the radicals, the deranged, satan-following evangelicals and the remaining gas-breathing drones. The election is over. Only question now is how big she wins.

    Blimey. Wish I had a tenth of your confidence on this one.
    My confidence is built on 2 things:
    1. Trust in Trump to completely fall apart. That is now happening before our eyes
    2. Confidence that Harris will look like the sane choice, even for moderate republicans

    There is this obsession with patriotism in America which boggles the mind. But it is a trip wire which makes it really hard for "patriots" who aren't mad to vote for the lunatic who will demolish the thing you are patriotic about.

    Trump is falling apart, will only get worse (watch him fire the sane advisors and rely on the core of mentalists screaming that the debate was "rigged" because Harris was given the questions beforehand), and will actively propel more and more conservatives to vote for the conservative candidate - Harris.

    Perhaps I will be proven wrong. But I'm feeling pretty good about coming out weeks ago proclaiming that Harris will win bigly.
    The idea that 'sanity will prevail' over Trump has been suggested many times over the last 9 years, but it doesn't seem to happen.
    What I think people don't see is that there is another risk of Harris falling apart. Her persona is a construction of the establishment but she did sound very weak and nervous in the last debate, and has a history of mistakes and misjudgements.
    What debate were you watching? There was a worry that Harris would fail, but not only did she not, she smashed it. You sure you weren't watching a repeat of the Biden debate?
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,021
    Nigelb said:

    Trump - as I called - has totally lost his shit and will now sink his own campaign. Whilst the perception was that "45%" would vote for him whatever he said, that's already demonstrably not the case.

    Republicans for Harris is a real thing, and its starting to gather momentum. The more that name conservatives declare for the conservative candidate, the more that conservative voters will follow.

    Trump will be left with the radicals, the deranged, satan-following evangelicals and the remaining gas-breathing drones. The election is over. Only question now is how big she wins.

    Blimey. Wish I had a tenth of your confidence on this one.
    My confidence is built on 2 things:
    1. Trust in Trump to completely fall apart. That is now happening before our eyes
    2. Confidence that Harris will look like the sane choice, even for moderate republicans..

    3. There are signs that his advisers, and the GOP at large, are starting to fall out.
    If that continues, it could become a rout.

    OTOH, there's always the possibility of a game changer, with unpredictable effects.
    What if, for example, Putin used a tactical nuke in Ukraine in retaliation for some Ukrainian success ?

    There's no election because the world has ended?
  • Foxy said:

    Our first voting intention since the GE is in today’s Politico Playbook. Labour’s lead sits at 4 points.

    🌹LAB 29% (-6)
    🌳CON 25% (-)
    🔶 LIB DEM 14% (+2)
    ➡️ REF UK 18% (+3)
    💚 GREEN 8% (+2)
    🟡 SNP 3% (-)

    Changes with GE 2024 (GB only)
    10-12 September, N = 2,018


    https://x.com/LukeTryl/status/1834487278686675366

    Difficult to know quite what it means without knowing if they have tinkered with methodology, but it looks like Labour is shedding votes to Greens and LDs rather than to the blue and turquoise meanies.
    Reform have +3% and conservative are static unsurprisingly

    It will be fascinating to see what happens after the new leader is elected and the spotlight turns on the conservatives

    Will crossover happen,?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 47,769
    darkage said:

    Trump - as I called - has totally lost his shit and will now sink his own campaign. Whilst the perception was that "45%" would vote for him whatever he said, that's already demonstrably not the case.

    Republicans for Harris is a real thing, and its starting to gather momentum. The more that name conservatives declare for the conservative candidate, the more that conservative voters will follow.

    Trump will be left with the radicals, the deranged, satan-following evangelicals and the remaining gas-breathing drones. The election is over. Only question now is how big she wins.

    Blimey. Wish I had a tenth of your confidence on this one.
    My confidence is built on 2 things:
    1. Trust in Trump to completely fall apart. That is now happening before our eyes
    2. Confidence that Harris will look like the sane choice, even for moderate republicans

    There is this obsession with patriotism in America which boggles the mind. But it is a trip wire which makes it really hard for "patriots" who aren't mad to vote for the lunatic who will demolish the thing you are patriotic about.

    Trump is falling apart, will only get worse (watch him fire the sane advisors and rely on the core of mentalists screaming that the debate was "rigged" because Harris was given the questions beforehand), and will actively propel more and more conservatives to vote for the conservative candidate - Harris.

    Perhaps I will be proven wrong. But I'm feeling pretty good about coming out weeks ago proclaiming that Harris will win bigly.
    The idea that 'sanity will prevail' over Trump has been suggested many times over the last 9 years, but it doesn't seem to happen.
    What I think people don't see is that there is another risk of Harris falling apart. Her persona is a construction of the establishment but she did sound very weak and nervous in the last debate, and has a history of mistakes and misjudgements.
    Well it did happen in 2020 POTUS, and also in 2018 Congressional elections and 2022 Senatorial.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 68,813
    darkage said:

    Trump - as I called - has totally lost his shit and will now sink his own campaign. Whilst the perception was that "45%" would vote for him whatever he said, that's already demonstrably not the case.

    Republicans for Harris is a real thing, and its starting to gather momentum. The more that name conservatives declare for the conservative candidate, the more that conservative voters will follow.

    Trump will be left with the radicals, the deranged, satan-following evangelicals and the remaining gas-breathing drones. The election is over. Only question now is how big she wins.

    Blimey. Wish I had a tenth of your confidence on this one.
    My confidence is built on 2 things:
    1. Trust in Trump to completely fall apart. That is now happening before our eyes
    2. Confidence that Harris will look like the sane choice, even for moderate republicans

    There is this obsession with patriotism in America which boggles the mind. But it is a trip wire which makes it really hard for "patriots" who aren't mad to vote for the lunatic who will demolish the thing you are patriotic about.

    Trump is falling apart, will only get worse (watch him fire the sane advisors and rely on the core of mentalists screaming that the debate was "rigged" because Harris was given the questions beforehand), and will actively propel more and more conservatives to vote for the conservative candidate - Harris.

    Perhaps I will be proven wrong. But I'm feeling pretty good about coming out weeks ago proclaiming that Harris will win bigly.
    The idea that 'sanity will prevail' over Trump has been suggested many times over the last 9 years, but it doesn't seem to happen.
    What I think people don't see is that there is another risk of Harris falling apart. Her persona is a construction of the establishment but she did sound very weak and nervous in the last debate, and has a history of mistakes and misjudgements.
    As with @ydoethur , that's not what I saw.
    I think you might be underestimating her.

    "Her persona is a construction of the establishment"... what does that even mean ?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 53,376
    JFDI, as with all the other infrastructure projects. If it needs private finance, then take the private finance.
  • Another data point from that Ipsos poll,

    39% support the means testing of the winter fuel allowance and 42% oppose. Those under the age of 55 support the measure, rather than oppose, by 46% to 32% but 58% of those aged 55+ oppose.

    Suspect that Reeves can live with that.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 70,652
    Sandpit said:

    Unpopular opinion incoming. As told by Trump supporters.

    When there’s a boxing match, the winner says “I won”, and the loser says “Can we have a rematch?”

    Trump was all up for a series of debates, it was Team Harris that only wanted this one debate, in a carefully-controlled environment with a very friendly team of presenters.

    Now that debate has happened, and Harris didn’t totally implode as they thought she might, they’re looking for another.

    Trump will want the next debate on Fox, with an audience present and without the presenters “fact-checking” one side and not the other.

    My personal view, is that there will be a week or two of back-and-forth, but they will eventually agree to another meeting. Both sides think they can win a second debate.

    Winners in boxing frequently ask for further bouts if the purse is big enough.

    As for 'winning' the debate, even Fox News aren't trying to pretend Trump did that.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 51,762
    edited September 13
    Sandpit said:

    darkage said:

    I am concerned the government do not understand inflation and what causes it. If you take this as an example:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cqjlxxejreeo

    Ban on rental bidding wars is on the way - but will it work?

    "The government has set out plans to end bidding wars as part of a wider Renters' Rights Bill, which was published on Wednesday.

    Under the legislation, which still needs to be approved by MPs and peers, landlords and letting agents would be legally required to publish an asking rent for their property and banned from encouraging or accepting any bids above this price."


    It took me one second to realise what this would probably do. It is likely to just mean that asking prices for rents will increase substantially, if the legislation is enforced, with the 'bids' being up to the asking price, which would be the highest price possible.

    Interfering with the market to solve a problem like this (high rents) is typically regarded as a bad idea for very good reasons.

    Nothing to stop landlords going for an "asking price" at least 20% over what they would actually accept. There will be people deseprate enough to make an offer mid way.

    How do Labour plan to win the battle of mid way?
    Rent controls don’t work. Who knew?
    This Labour government does look to be politically tone deaf. Early days, but the memories of how bad the Tories were are fading faster than anybody thoight possible.

    "At least the Tories never did [insert x y or z]"
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 68,813

    Our first voting intention since the GE is in today’s Politico Playbook. Labour’s lead sits at 4 points.

    🌹LAB 29% (-6)
    🌳CON 25% (-)
    🔶 LIB DEM 14% (+2)
    ➡️ REF UK 18% (+3)
    💚 GREEN 8% (+2)
    🟡 SNP 3% (-)

    Changes with GE 2024 (GB only)
    10-12 September, N = 2,018


    https://x.com/LukeTryl/status/1834487278686675366

    Everyone except the Tories picking up support (in England at least).
    Will a new leader change that dynamic ?

    If not, a Reform/LibDem/Green coalition which brings in PR would be a wild possibility...
  • Sandpit said:

    darkage said:

    I am concerned the government do not understand inflation and what causes it. If you take this as an example:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cqjlxxejreeo

    Ban on rental bidding wars is on the way - but will it work?

    "The government has set out plans to end bidding wars as part of a wider Renters' Rights Bill, which was published on Wednesday.

    Under the legislation, which still needs to be approved by MPs and peers, landlords and letting agents would be legally required to publish an asking rent for their property and banned from encouraging or accepting any bids above this price."


    It took me one second to realise what this would probably do. It is likely to just mean that asking prices for rents will increase substantially, if the legislation is enforced, with the 'bids' being up to the asking price, which would be the highest price possible.

    Interfering with the market to solve a problem like this (high rents) is typically regarded as a bad idea for very good reasons.

    Nothing to stop landlords going for an "asking price" at least 20% over what they would actually accept. There will be people deseprate enough to make an offer mid way.

    How do Labour plan to win the battle of mid way?
    Rent controls don’t work. Who knew?
    This Labour government does look to be politically tone deaf. Early days, but the memories of how bad the Tories were are fading faster than anybody thoight possible.

    "At least the Tories never did [insert x y or z]"
    I think I remember this equation from school, does "x,y or z" = "anything good"
  • TazTaz Posts: 13,634
    Foxy said:

    Our first voting intention since the GE is in today’s Politico Playbook. Labour’s lead sits at 4 points.

    🌹LAB 29% (-6)
    🌳CON 25% (-)
    🔶 LIB DEM 14% (+2)
    ➡️ REF UK 18% (+3)
    💚 GREEN 8% (+2)
    🟡 SNP 3% (-)

    Changes with GE 2024 (GB only)
    10-12 September, N = 2,018


    https://x.com/LukeTryl/status/1834487278686675366

    Difficult to know quite what it means without knowing if they have tinkered with methodology, but it looks like Labour is shedding votes to Greens and LDs rather than to the blue and turquoise meanies.
    Really, so labour lose 6, LD and Green gain 2 but Ref gain 3. Where has the Ref 3 come from if not, in part, from Labour ?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 68,813
    Sandpit said:

    JFDI, as with all the other infrastructure projects. If it needs private finance, then take the private finance.
    More a case of being able to attract that finance rather than just taking it.
    It's not impossible, though, as the economic case is quite strong.
  • kamskikamski Posts: 5,050
    Sandpit said:

    Unpopular opinion incoming. As told by Trump supporters.

    When there’s a boxing match, the winner says “I won”, and the loser says “Can we have a rematch?”

    Trump was all up for a series of debates, it was Team Harris that only wanted this one debate, in a carefully-controlled environment with a very friendly team of presenters.

    Now that debate has happened, and Harris didn’t totally implode as they thought she might, they’re looking for another.

    Trump will want the next debate on Fox, with an audience present and without the presenters “fact-checking” one side and not the other.

    My personal view, is that there will be a week or two of back-and-forth, but they will eventually agree to another meeting. Both sides think they can win a second debate.

    Are you actually saying you think Trump won the debate?
  • darkagedarkage Posts: 5,215
    Eabhal said:

    darkage said:

    I am concerned the government do not understand inflation and what causes it. If you take this as an example:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cqjlxxejreeo

    Ban on rental bidding wars is on the way - but will it work?

    "The government has set out plans to end bidding wars as part of a wider Renters' Rights Bill, which was published on Wednesday.

    Under the legislation, which still needs to be approved by MPs and peers, landlords and letting agents would be legally required to publish an asking rent for their property and banned from encouraging or accepting any bids above this price."


    It took me one second to realise what this would probably do. It is likely to just mean that asking prices for rents will increase substantially, if the legislation is enforced, with the 'bids' being up to the asking price, which would be the highest price possible.

    Interfering with the market to solve a problem like this (high rents) is typically regarded as a bad idea for very good reasons.

    Sure, but the bidding process is additional stress for tenants and a huge waste of time for all those who are unsuccessful. I'm deeply grateful that we don't have it in Scotland.

    I'm not even sure you're right that the market price would be unaffected. Auctions are designed to squeeze as much consumer surplus as possible out of the transaction, so a fixed price will be at worst the same as the auction price, and perhaps lower.
    Surely the asking price would just be the price that is the highest likely to be achieved, and then it gets discounted until someone bites or an acceptable offer is made. You could also put in a massive range - there would be nothing stopping you from doing this under the legislation. It is a different strategy to pricing low and taking offers. Why would a landlord set a low price in this situation?

    The reality in my view is that rents will follow supply and demand, costs for landlords, interest rates, and regulation, unless the private rented sector is nationalised in state controlled, which raises a whole load of other problems.

    I am selling a property now. The market is slow and there are lots of properties on the market for months and years on end at previously achievable prices. The price I have put it on for is about 10% less than what I think the sale price could be with 'offers in excess of'. There is lots of interest including some people that can only afford the lower price - they may be lucky so no harm in them viewing the property. No public interest is being served by the government interfering in this process.
  • eekeek Posts: 27,505
    Sandpit said:

    JFDI, as with all the other infrastructure projects. If it needs private finance, then take the private finance.
    That's the thing we seem to have forgotten over the past 15 years - it's infrastructure projects that generate growth because it allows people better options that didn't exist before.

    Frankly the infrastructure of many Northern Cities make Sofia look like a better place to do business
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 53,376

    Sandpit said:

    darkage said:

    I am concerned the government do not understand inflation and what causes it. If you take this as an example:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cqjlxxejreeo

    Ban on rental bidding wars is on the way - but will it work?

    "The government has set out plans to end bidding wars as part of a wider Renters' Rights Bill, which was published on Wednesday.

    Under the legislation, which still needs to be approved by MPs and peers, landlords and letting agents would be legally required to publish an asking rent for their property and banned from encouraging or accepting any bids above this price."


    It took me one second to realise what this would probably do. It is likely to just mean that asking prices for rents will increase substantially, if the legislation is enforced, with the 'bids' being up to the asking price, which would be the highest price possible.

    Interfering with the market to solve a problem like this (high rents) is typically regarded as a bad idea for very good reasons.

    Nothing to stop landlords going for an "asking price" at least 20% over what they would actually accept. There will be people deseprate enough to make an offer mid way.

    How do Labour plan to win the battle of mid way?
    Rent controls don’t work. Who knew?
    This Labour government does look to be politically tone deaf. Early days, but the memories of how bad the Tories were are fading faster than anybody thoight possible.

    "At least the Tories never did [insert x y or z]"
    Some of us might have said before the election, that the things we were complaining about the government doing or not doing, (high immigration, high taxes, infrastructure projects, public sector wokery etc.) would all be worse under a Labour government.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,532
    Sandpit said:

    darkage said:

    I am concerned the government do not understand inflation and what causes it. If you take this as an example:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cqjlxxejreeo

    Ban on rental bidding wars is on the way - but will it work?

    "The government has set out plans to end bidding wars as part of a wider Renters' Rights Bill, which was published on Wednesday.

    Under the legislation, which still needs to be approved by MPs and peers, landlords and letting agents would be legally required to publish an asking rent for their property and banned from encouraging or accepting any bids above this price."


    It took me one second to realise what this would probably do. It is likely to just mean that asking prices for rents will increase substantially, if the legislation is enforced, with the 'bids' being up to the asking price, which would be the highest price possible.

    Interfering with the market to solve a problem like this (high rents) is typically regarded as a bad idea for very good reasons.

    Nothing to stop landlords going for an "asking price" at least 20% over what they would actually accept. There will be people deseprate enough to make an offer mid way.

    How do Labour plan to win the battle of mid way?
    Rent controls don’t work. Who knew?
    Not them, obvs

  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,182
    darkage said:

    Eabhal said:

    darkage said:

    I am concerned the government do not understand inflation and what causes it. If you take this as an example:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cqjlxxejreeo

    Ban on rental bidding wars is on the way - but will it work?

    "The government has set out plans to end bidding wars as part of a wider Renters' Rights Bill, which was published on Wednesday.

    Under the legislation, which still needs to be approved by MPs and peers, landlords and letting agents would be legally required to publish an asking rent for their property and banned from encouraging or accepting any bids above this price."


    It took me one second to realise what this would probably do. It is likely to just mean that asking prices for rents will increase substantially, if the legislation is enforced, with the 'bids' being up to the asking price, which would be the highest price possible.

    Interfering with the market to solve a problem like this (high rents) is typically regarded as a bad idea for very good reasons.

    Sure, but the bidding process is additional stress for tenants and a huge waste of time for all those who are unsuccessful. I'm deeply grateful that we don't have it in Scotland.

    I'm not even sure you're right that the market price would be unaffected. Auctions are designed to squeeze as much consumer surplus as possible out of the transaction, so a fixed price will be at worst the same as the auction price, and perhaps lower.
    Surely the asking price would just be the price that is the highest likely to be achieved, and then it gets discounted until someone bites or an acceptable offer is made. You could also put in a massive range - there would be nothing stopping you from doing this under the legislation. It is a different strategy to pricing low and taking offers. Why would a landlord set a low price in this situation?

    The reality in my view is that rents will follow supply and demand, costs for landlords, interest rates, and regulation, unless the private rented sector is nationalised in state controlled, which raises a whole load of other problems.

    I am selling a property now. The market is slow and there are lots of properties on the market for months and years on end at previously achievable prices. The price I have put it on for is about 10% less than what I think the sale price could be with 'offers in excess of'. There is lots of interest including some people that can only afford the lower price - they may be lucky so no harm in them viewing the property. No public interest is being served by the government interfering in this process.
    Selling a property is horrendous.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 68,813
    kjh said:

    darkage said:

    Trump - as I called - has totally lost his shit and will now sink his own campaign. Whilst the perception was that "45%" would vote for him whatever he said, that's already demonstrably not the case.

    Republicans for Harris is a real thing, and its starting to gather momentum. The more that name conservatives declare for the conservative candidate, the more that conservative voters will follow.

    Trump will be left with the radicals, the deranged, satan-following evangelicals and the remaining gas-breathing drones. The election is over. Only question now is how big she wins.

    Blimey. Wish I had a tenth of your confidence on this one.
    My confidence is built on 2 things:
    1. Trust in Trump to completely fall apart. That is now happening before our eyes
    2. Confidence that Harris will look like the sane choice, even for moderate republicans

    There is this obsession with patriotism in America which boggles the mind. But it is a trip wire which makes it really hard for "patriots" who aren't mad to vote for the lunatic who will demolish the thing you are patriotic about.

    Trump is falling apart, will only get worse (watch him fire the sane advisors and rely on the core of mentalists screaming that the debate was "rigged" because Harris was given the questions beforehand), and will actively propel more and more conservatives to vote for the conservative candidate - Harris.

    Perhaps I will be proven wrong. But I'm feeling pretty good about coming out weeks ago proclaiming that Harris will win bigly.
    The idea that 'sanity will prevail' over Trump has been suggested many times over the last 9 years, but it doesn't seem to happen.
    What I think people don't see is that there is another risk of Harris falling apart. Her persona is a construction of the establishment but she did sound very weak and nervous in the last debate, and has a history of mistakes and misjudgements.
    What debate were you watching? There was a worry that Harris would fail, but not only did she not, she smashed it. You sure you weren't watching a repeat of the Biden debate?
    When even a weasel like Frank Luntz goes on record that he thinks Trump's debate performance just cost him the election, then it's not really in dispute.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,459
    Forget this US election stuff. More important is that the year's Ig Nobel Prizes are out. Some good specimens, too:

    https://www.theguardian.com/science/2024/sep/12/ig-nobel-prize-goes-to-team-who-found-mammals-can-breathe-through-anuses

    For instance,

    'Dr Saul Newman at the University of Oxford bagged the demography prize for showing that many claims of people living extraordinarily long lives come from places with short life spans, no birth certificates, and where clerical errors and pension fraud abound. “Extreme old age records are a statistical basket case,” he said. “From the level of individual cases, up to broad population patterns, virtually none of our old-age data makes sense.”

    Prof Roman Khonsari, a craniofacial surgeon at the Necker-Enfants Malades university hospital in Paris, and colleagues won the anatomy prize for their global study of hair whorls. While scalp hair spirals in a clockwise direction on most people, their research found, there is more counter-clockwise spiralling in the southern hemisphere.'
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 51,762
    edited September 13
    Worth noting that Trump's personal wealth has taken a significant hit since the debate speech. The share price of his Truth Social stock have fallen $18.63 to $16.08 - or some 15% - since the debate.

    He has the ability to sell shares within the fortnight. But they only make him a profit if above $10. And unless Trump says he will not sell when he can, the downward pressure will continue. The overall consensus is that the stock is a strong sell:

    https://www.tipranks.com/stocks/djt

    The prospect of another debate may not be well received on the Truth Social stock price.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 70,652
    edited September 13
    FPT
    Sandpit said:

    At least 601 children sexually abused by Jesus Army cult: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0qejd0njpeo

    For even more context, this was 1 in 6 of every child in the 'church'.

    Another data point in my "Wherever you have religion, you will have abuse by members of that religion, using the religion for cover."

    At which point some people screech "Not my religion!"; showing that *they*, if not abusers themselves, are part of the problem.
    Joe Rogan has a good theory that the reason the Catholic Church told priests to be celibate, is that they were the original community rock stars who spent their lives chasing women.

    Of course, asking them to be celibate has shown to attract a different type of pervert instead, but it’s not a totally bonkers theory as to why it happened.
    It may sound like a good theory but it isn't correct. In fact, clerical celibacy was a comparatively late development, only being enforced in Western Europe from the twelfth century onwards as a point of difference with the Orthodox Church on a stricter interpretation of Paul's teachings.

    And more pertinently, since it led to a massive upsurge of promiscuity among clergy who could no longer legally marry, it takes the facts backwards.
  • eekeek Posts: 27,505
    darkage said:

    Eabhal said:

    darkage said:

    I am concerned the government do not understand inflation and what causes it. If you take this as an example:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cqjlxxejreeo

    Ban on rental bidding wars is on the way - but will it work?

    "The government has set out plans to end bidding wars as part of a wider Renters' Rights Bill, which was published on Wednesday.

    Under the legislation, which still needs to be approved by MPs and peers, landlords and letting agents would be legally required to publish an asking rent for their property and banned from encouraging or accepting any bids above this price."


    It took me one second to realise what this would probably do. It is likely to just mean that asking prices for rents will increase substantially, if the legislation is enforced, with the 'bids' being up to the asking price, which would be the highest price possible.

    Interfering with the market to solve a problem like this (high rents) is typically regarded as a bad idea for very good reasons.

    Sure, but the bidding process is additional stress for tenants and a huge waste of time for all those who are unsuccessful. I'm deeply grateful that we don't have it in Scotland.

    I'm not even sure you're right that the market price would be unaffected. Auctions are designed to squeeze as much consumer surplus as possible out of the transaction, so a fixed price will be at worst the same as the auction price, and perhaps lower.
    Surely the asking price would just be the price that is the highest likely to be achieved, and then it gets discounted until someone bites or an acceptable offer is made. You could also put in a massive range - there would be nothing stopping you from doing this under the legislation. It is a different strategy to pricing low and taking offers. Why would a landlord set a low price in this situation?

    The reality in my view is that rents will follow supply and demand, costs for landlords, interest rates, and regulation, unless the private rented sector is nationalised in state controlled, which raises a whole load of other problems.

    I am selling a property now. The market is slow and there are lots of properties on the market for months and years on end at previously achievable prices. The price I have put it on for is about 10% less than what I think the sale price could be with 'offers in excess of'. There is lots of interest including some people that can only afford the lower price - they may be lucky so no harm in them viewing the property. No public interest is being served by the government interfering in this process.
    I think the issue is that a lot of renters are pressurising Labour to implement the suggested fix (fixed rents) because they haven't worked out the consequences of it.

    The person who is a better proposition is still going to be the person who rents the property the people who don't pay over the odds will still win by a different means.

    The only solution is to vastly increase the supply of houses and I can't see anything that fixes that issue.
  • Taz said:

    Foxy said:

    Our first voting intention since the GE is in today’s Politico Playbook. Labour’s lead sits at 4 points.

    🌹LAB 29% (-6)
    🌳CON 25% (-)
    🔶 LIB DEM 14% (+2)
    ➡️ REF UK 18% (+3)
    💚 GREEN 8% (+2)
    🟡 SNP 3% (-)

    Changes with GE 2024 (GB only)
    10-12 September, N = 2,018


    https://x.com/LukeTryl/status/1834487278686675366

    Difficult to know quite what it means without knowing if they have tinkered with methodology, but it looks like Labour is shedding votes to Greens and LDs rather than to the blue and turquoise meanies.
    Really, so labour lose 6, LD and Green gain 2 but Ref gain 3. Where has the Ref 3 come from if not, in part, from Labour ?
    Could be Lab-to-Con and Con-to-Ref both happening at the same time. Or noise. Or both.

    But by this point after the 1979 election, Labour were already ahead again. They remained there through 1979, 1980 and 1981. After electing Michael Foot, things began to go wrong for the red team. (Though it took some months for crossover in the polls).

    Let the reader understand.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 61,505
    Foxy said:

    Cicero said:

    He sounds scared and brittle.

    It is not a good look. The path to a fluke EC victory (seems no chance he tops the popular vote) is getting narrower.

    Constant endorsements of Harris by mainstream Republicans just gives a sense that Trump is drifting.

    He´s not down yet, but the clock certainly is ticking.

    How long until we see sackings in the Trump campaign and a "reset"?

    Time is running out and the orange jump suit beckons...
    Does Trump take direction and advice from anyone? He always strikes me as doing his own thing.
    Indeed.

    But someone has to be to blame for his imploding campaign and he will be lashing out.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 53,376
    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    JFDI, as with all the other infrastructure projects. If it needs private finance, then take the private finance.
    More a case of being able to attract that finance rather than just taking it.
    It's not impossible, though, as the economic case is quite strong.
    If they have a genuine plan based on a 300kph line rather than a 350kph line, and it’s 30% cheaper, then just get on with it.

    Watching from somewhere where infrastructure just bloody happens, the endless decades of discussion about these projects are costing hundreds of billions in missed opportunity, by not having them already open.

    Find the bottleneck and fix it, then move to the next bottleneck and fix that, and keep going because there’s always a next one.
  • mwadamsmwadams Posts: 3,534
    Eabhal said:

    darkage said:

    I am concerned the government do not understand inflation and what causes it. If you take this as an example:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cqjlxxejreeo

    Ban on rental bidding wars is on the way - but will it work?

    "The government has set out plans to end bidding wars as part of a wider Renters' Rights Bill, which was published on Wednesday.

    Under the legislation, which still needs to be approved by MPs and peers, landlords and letting agents would be legally required to publish an asking rent for their property and banned from encouraging or accepting any bids above this price."


    It took me one second to realise what this would probably do. It is likely to just mean that asking prices for rents will increase substantially, if the legislation is enforced, with the 'bids' being up to the asking price, which would be the highest price possible.

    Interfering with the market to solve a problem like this (high rents) is typically regarded as a bad idea for very good reasons.

    Sure, but the bidding process is additional stress for tenants and a huge waste of time for all those who are unsuccessful. I'm deeply grateful that we don't have it in Scotland.

    I'm not even sure you're right that the market price would be unaffected. Auctions are designed to squeeze as much consumer surplus as possible out of the transaction, so a fixed price will be at worst the same as the auction price, and perhaps lower.
    Quite - they wouldn't do it if they didn't think it was driving the price *up*.

    On the other hand, like most features of economics, the consensus of what informed capitalists "think" doesn't necessarily reflect what will actually happen, so there is still a downside risk.
  • kamskikamski Posts: 5,050
    Nigelb said:

    Trump - as I called - has totally lost his shit and will now sink his own campaign. Whilst the perception was that "45%" would vote for him whatever he said, that's already demonstrably not the case.

    Republicans for Harris is a real thing, and its starting to gather momentum. The more that name conservatives declare for the conservative candidate, the more that conservative voters will follow.

    Trump will be left with the radicals, the deranged, satan-following evangelicals and the remaining gas-breathing drones. The election is over. Only question now is how big she wins.

    Blimey. Wish I had a tenth of your confidence on this one.
    As someone asked a week or so back, what if it's not close ?
    It will be close. Probably.

    I haven't found a more recent poll on this but in April this year:

    "Looking back, 55% of all Americans now say they see Trump’s presidency as a success, while 44% see it as a failure...

    Assessing Biden’s time in office so far, 61% say his presidency thus far has been a failure, while 39% say it’s been a success."

    https://edition.cnn.com/2024/04/28/politics/cnn-poll-trump-biden-matchup/index.html

    OK people often have a bit of nostalgia about previous administrations, especially when they think the current one is a failure, and this doesn't mean most people want him back. But it might mean Democrats need to convince undecideds that Trump has got worse since 2020.
  • Worth noting that Trump's personal wealth has taken a significant hit since the debate speech. The share price of his Truth Social stock have fallen $18.63 to $16.08 - or some 15% - since the debate.

    He has the ability to sell shares within the fortnight. But they only make him a profit if above $10. And unless Trump says he will not sell when he can, the downward pressure will continue. The overall consensus is that the stock is a strong sell:

    https://www.tipranks.com/stocks/djt

    Fortunately for DJT, he doesn't need money where he's going.
  • mwadamsmwadams Posts: 3,534
    Nigelb said:

    Our first voting intention since the GE is in today’s Politico Playbook. Labour’s lead sits at 4 points.

    🌹LAB 29% (-6)
    🌳CON 25% (-)
    🔶 LIB DEM 14% (+2)
    ➡️ REF UK 18% (+3)
    💚 GREEN 8% (+2)
    🟡 SNP 3% (-)

    Changes with GE 2024 (GB only)
    10-12 September, N = 2,018


    https://x.com/LukeTryl/status/1834487278686675366

    Everyone except the Tories picking up support (in England at least).
    Will a new leader change that dynamic ?

    If not, a Reform/LibDem/Green coalition which brings in PR would be a wild possibility...
    This continues to support my notion that at the next GE, Labour will slip to a bare majority, to the benefit of everyone but the Tories.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,159

    Sandpit said:

    darkage said:

    I am concerned the government do not understand inflation and what causes it. If you take this as an example:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cqjlxxejreeo

    Ban on rental bidding wars is on the way - but will it work?

    "The government has set out plans to end bidding wars as part of a wider Renters' Rights Bill, which was published on Wednesday.

    Under the legislation, which still needs to be approved by MPs and peers, landlords and letting agents would be legally required to publish an asking rent for their property and banned from encouraging or accepting any bids above this price."


    It took me one second to realise what this would probably do. It is likely to just mean that asking prices for rents will increase substantially, if the legislation is enforced, with the 'bids' being up to the asking price, which would be the highest price possible.

    Interfering with the market to solve a problem like this (high rents) is typically regarded as a bad idea for very good reasons.

    Nothing to stop landlords going for an "asking price" at least 20% over what they would actually accept. There will be people deseprate enough to make an offer mid way.

    How do Labour plan to win the battle of mid way?
    Rent controls don’t work. Who knew?
    This Labour government does look to be politically tone deaf. Early days, but the memories of how bad the Tories were are fading faster than anybody thoight possible.

    "At least the Tories never did [insert x y or z]"
    Let's face it, the Tories have been tinkering with market forces themselves, from the energy price cap to £2 maximum bus fare to the apparent monopoly the big developers have on building houses. And those people who voted Labour to kick out the Tories (or LibDem, knowing that would mean) will be expecting Labour to do, er, Labour-ish things.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 53,376
    edited September 13
    ydoethur said:

    FPT

    Sandpit said:

    At least 601 children sexually abused by Jesus Army cult: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0qejd0njpeo

    For even more context, this was 1 in 6 of every child in the 'church'.

    Another data point in my "Wherever you have religion, you will have abuse by members of that religion, using the religion for cover."

    At which point some people screech "Not my religion!"; showing that *they*, if not abusers themselves, are part of the problem.
    Joe Rogan has a good theory that the reason the Catholic Church told priests to be celibate, is that they were the original community rock stars who spent their lives chasing women.

    Of course, asking them to be celibate has shown to attract a different type of pervert instead, but it’s not a totally bonkers theory as to why it happened.
    It may sound like a good theory but it isn't correct. In fact, clerical celibacy was a comparatively late development, only being enforced in Western Europe from the twelfth century onwards as a point of difference with the Orthodox Church on a stricter interpretation of Paul's teachings.

    And more pertinently, since it led to a massive upsurge of promiscuity among clergy who could no longer legally marry, it takes the facts backwards.
    Ooh interesting. Thanks for that!

    Imagine my shock at Joe Rogan being wrong!
  • kamskikamski Posts: 5,050
    ydoethur said:

    FPT

    Sandpit said:

    At least 601 children sexually abused by Jesus Army cult: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0qejd0njpeo

    For even more context, this was 1 in 6 of every child in the 'church'.

    Another data point in my "Wherever you have religion, you will have abuse by members of that religion, using the religion for cover."

    At which point some people screech "Not my religion!"; showing that *they*, if not abusers themselves, are part of the problem.
    Joe Rogan has a good theory that the reason the Catholic Church told priests to be celibate, is that they were the original community rock stars who spent their lives chasing women.

    Of course, asking them to be celibate has shown to attract a different type of pervert instead, but it’s not a totally bonkers theory as to why it happened.
    It may sound like a good theory but it isn't correct. In fact, clerical celibacy was a comparatively late development, only being enforced in Western Europe from the twelfth century onwards as a point of difference with the Orthodox Church on a stricter interpretation of Paul's teachings.

    And more pertinently, since it led to a massive upsurge of promiscuity among clergy who could no longer legally marry, it takes the facts backwards.
    Joe Rogan talking out of his arse? Surely not
  • Worth noting that Trump's personal wealth has taken a significant hit since the debate speech. The share price of his Truth Social stock have fallen $18.63 to $16.08 - or some 15% - since the debate.

    He has the ability to sell shares within the fortnight. But they only make him a profit if above $10. And unless Trump says he will not sell when he can, the downward pressure will continue. The overall consensus is that the stock is a strong sell:

    https://www.tipranks.com/stocks/djt

    Would assume it is worth zero if he loses but could see it (not definitely but plausibly) worth tens of billions if he both wins and creates a Trump republic. If it gets down to $10 or so (market cap approx $2bn) it may be a decent hedge against Harris around evens in the betting markets. Also a potential hedge against Trump wrecking the global economy.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 47,769

    Sandpit said:

    darkage said:

    I am concerned the government do not understand inflation and what causes it. If you take this as an example:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cqjlxxejreeo

    Ban on rental bidding wars is on the way - but will it work?

    "The government has set out plans to end bidding wars as part of a wider Renters' Rights Bill, which was published on Wednesday.

    Under the legislation, which still needs to be approved by MPs and peers, landlords and letting agents would be legally required to publish an asking rent for their property and banned from encouraging or accepting any bids above this price."


    It took me one second to realise what this would probably do. It is likely to just mean that asking prices for rents will increase substantially, if the legislation is enforced, with the 'bids' being up to the asking price, which would be the highest price possible.

    Interfering with the market to solve a problem like this (high rents) is typically regarded as a bad idea for very good reasons.

    Nothing to stop landlords going for an "asking price" at least 20% over what they would actually accept. There will be people deseprate enough to make an offer mid way.

    How do Labour plan to win the battle of mid way?
    Rent controls don’t work. Who knew?
    This Labour government does look to be politically tone deaf. Early days, but the memories of how bad the Tories were are fading faster than anybody thoight possible.

    "At least the Tories never did [insert x y or z]"
    Let's face it, the Tories have been tinkering with market forces themselves, from the energy price cap to £2 maximum bus fare to the apparent monopoly the big developers have on building houses. And those people who voted Labour to kick out the Tories (or LibDem, knowing that would mean) will be expecting Labour to do, er, Labour-ish things.
    The long term financial position looks grim. By 2070 we have the demographics and public debt of Japan, though without such amazing public toilets.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/sep/12/uk-debt-projected-to-almost-triple-over-next-50-years-watchdog-warns
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 118,572
    edited September 13
    Chortle, from Tuesday.

    You want to know who won? Find out who refuses to do a 2nd debate.

    https://x.com/repmikecollins/status/1833705308624924863?s=61&t=c6bcp0cjChLfQN5Tc8A_6g
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 68,813
    Sandpit said:

    Unpopular opinion incoming. As told by Trump supporters.

    When there’s a boxing match, the winner says “I won”, and the loser says “Can we have a rematch?”

    Trump was all up for a series of debates, it was Team Harris that only wanted this one debate, in a carefully-controlled environment with a very friendly team of presenters.

    Now that debate has happened, and Harris didn’t totally implode as they thought she might, they’re looking for another.

    Trump will want the next debate on Fox, with an audience present and without the presenters “fact-checking” one side and not the other.

    My personal view, is that there will be a week or two of back-and-forth, but they will eventually agree to another meeting. Both sides think they can win a second debate.

    The Trump supporters are making stuff up, though.
    The debate rules were negotiated by Biden's team (and Trump agreed). Harris wanted to change them (open mikes), and Trump refused.

    It's not impossible there's a second debate. One of Trump's team (though hardly a reliable source) is claiming one was already agreed.

    https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4875151-trump-harris-second-debate-republicans/
    ..Trump campaign senior adviser Jason Miller, meanwhile, argued Wednesday that Trump has committed to another debate, telling CNN that his team agreed to an NBC-hosted debate Sept. 25...
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 48,442
    eek said:

    Sandpit said:

    JFDI, as with all the other infrastructure projects. If it needs private finance, then take the private finance.
    That's the thing we seem to have forgotten over the past 15 years - it's infrastructure projects that generate growth because it allows people better options that didn't exist before.

    Frankly the infrastructure of many Northern Cities make Sofia look like a better place to do business
    It's a mix of infrastructure and allowing businesses to build factories and offices in a reasonable time period.

    If someone is told it will take more than 5 years to start building a factory, they hear "Fuck Off"
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,021
    One for the Letby truthers:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2g20rpr78o

    But after her trial last year Cheshire Police revealed it was investigating the time she spent on two placements in Liverpool in 2012 and 2015.

    He told the inquiry that some babies collapsed due to dislodgement of endotracheal [breathing] tubes.

    "This is not something that is happening all the time", he said.

    "It is unusual, and you will hear that it occurs generally in less than 1% of shifts."

    The audit found that there were recorded incidents of the tubes being dislodged on 40% of the shifts Letby worked at Liverpool Womens' Hospital.

    Mr Baker said: "In light of what we know now, we might wonder why.”
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 48,442
    darkage said:

    Eabhal said:

    darkage said:

    I am concerned the government do not understand inflation and what causes it. If you take this as an example:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cqjlxxejreeo

    Ban on rental bidding wars is on the way - but will it work?

    "The government has set out plans to end bidding wars as part of a wider Renters' Rights Bill, which was published on Wednesday.

    Under the legislation, which still needs to be approved by MPs and peers, landlords and letting agents would be legally required to publish an asking rent for their property and banned from encouraging or accepting any bids above this price."


    It took me one second to realise what this would probably do. It is likely to just mean that asking prices for rents will increase substantially, if the legislation is enforced, with the 'bids' being up to the asking price, which would be the highest price possible.

    Interfering with the market to solve a problem like this (high rents) is typically regarded as a bad idea for very good reasons.

    Sure, but the bidding process is additional stress for tenants and a huge waste of time for all those who are unsuccessful. I'm deeply grateful that we don't have it in Scotland.

    I'm not even sure you're right that the market price would be unaffected. Auctions are designed to squeeze as much consumer surplus as possible out of the transaction, so a fixed price will be at worst the same as the auction price, and perhaps lower.
    Surely the asking price would just be the price that is the highest likely to be achieved, and then it gets discounted until someone bites or an acceptable offer is made. You could also put in a massive range - there would be nothing stopping you from doing this under the legislation. It is a different strategy to pricing low and taking offers. Why would a landlord set a low price in this situation?

    The reality in my view is that rents will follow supply and demand, costs for landlords, interest rates, and regulation, unless the private rented sector is nationalised in state controlled, which raises a whole load of other problems.

    I am selling a property now. The market is slow and there are lots of properties on the market for months and years on end at previously achievable prices. The price I have put it on for is about 10% less than what I think the sale price could be with 'offers in excess of'. There is lots of interest including some people that can only afford the lower price - they may be lucky so no harm in them viewing the property. No public interest is being served by the government interfering in this process.
    I would expect a reverse auction - the price starts at the highest possible. Then it reduced until someone says yes.
  • Nunu3Nunu3 Posts: 214
    Ed Molliband being in charge of this country's energy policy is frightening.
    we will have blackouts within 2 years.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 70,652
    edited September 13
    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Unpopular opinion incoming. As told by Trump supporters.

    When there’s a boxing match, the winner says “I won”, and the loser says “Can we have a rematch?”

    Trump was all up for a series of debates, it was Team Harris that only wanted this one debate, in a carefully-controlled environment with a very friendly team of presenters.

    Now that debate has happened, and Harris didn’t totally implode as they thought she might, they’re looking for another.

    Trump will want the next debate on Fox, with an audience present and without the presenters “fact-checking” one side and not the other.

    My personal view, is that there will be a week or two of back-and-forth, but they will eventually agree to another meeting. Both sides think they can win a second debate.

    The Trump supporters are making stuff up, though.
    Surely not?

    Next you'll be telling me they lost the 2020 election and are lying about that.
  • TazTaz Posts: 13,634

    Sandpit said:

    darkage said:

    I am concerned the government do not understand inflation and what causes it. If you take this as an example:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cqjlxxejreeo

    Ban on rental bidding wars is on the way - but will it work?

    "The government has set out plans to end bidding wars as part of a wider Renters' Rights Bill, which was published on Wednesday.

    Under the legislation, which still needs to be approved by MPs and peers, landlords and letting agents would be legally required to publish an asking rent for their property and banned from encouraging or accepting any bids above this price."


    It took me one second to realise what this would probably do. It is likely to just mean that asking prices for rents will increase substantially, if the legislation is enforced, with the 'bids' being up to the asking price, which would be the highest price possible.

    Interfering with the market to solve a problem like this (high rents) is typically regarded as a bad idea for very good reasons.

    Nothing to stop landlords going for an "asking price" at least 20% over what they would actually accept. There will be people deseprate enough to make an offer mid way.

    How do Labour plan to win the battle of mid way?
    Rent controls don’t work. Who knew?
    This Labour government does look to be politically tone deaf. Early days, but the memories of how bad the Tories were are fading faster than anybody thoight possible.

    "At least the Tories never did [insert x y or z]"
    I was discussing this with my wife the other day saying I had strong buyers remorse for voting labour.

    She did point out the Tories were awful, and she is right.

    Also she pointed out I did not really want to risk a REform MP, although I do not get triggered by Reform as much as most here.

    I think your point is good though.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 53,376
    eek said:

    Sandpit said:

    JFDI, as with all the other infrastructure projects. If it needs private finance, then take the private finance.
    That's the thing we seem to have forgotten over the past 15 years - it's infrastructure projects that generate growth because it allows people better options that didn't exist before.

    Frankly the infrastructure of many Northern Cities make Sofia look like a better place to do business
    Absolutely. Watching from somewhere where infrastructure just bloody happens, it’s immensely frustrating to see way more time spent on discussion than execution. JFDI.

    I refer to my old anecdote from a decade ago, that Dubai Airport built their Terminal 3 in the same time as Heathrow Terminal 5’s planning inquiry. Same project scope, new buildings on an existing airfield, with no external construction except for the access roads. Why does the UK spend half a decade talking about a new terminal building at an existing airport? JFDI.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 68,813
    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    JFDI, as with all the other infrastructure projects. If it needs private finance, then take the private finance.
    More a case of being able to attract that finance rather than just taking it.
    It's not impossible, though, as the economic case is quite strong.
    If they have a genuine plan based on a 300kph line rather than a 350kph line, and it’s 30% cheaper, then just get on with it.

    Watching from somewhere where infrastructure just bloody happens, the endless decades of discussion about these projects are costing hundreds of billions in missed opportunity, by not having them already open.

    Find the bottleneck and fix it, then move to the next bottleneck and fix that, and keep going because there’s always a next one.
    Oh, I agree.
    Most of the planning and land acquisition is already done. It would be stupid to throw that away. But it's not quite as simple as JFDI.

    The rug has been pulled so often that it's going to be tricky convincing the private sector to buy in, without having to overpay to get them to do so.
  • darkagedarkage Posts: 5,215
    eek said:

    darkage said:

    Eabhal said:

    darkage said:

    I am concerned the government do not understand inflation and what causes it. If you take this as an example:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cqjlxxejreeo

    Ban on rental bidding wars is on the way - but will it work?

    "The government has set out plans to end bidding wars as part of a wider Renters' Rights Bill, which was published on Wednesday.

    Under the legislation, which still needs to be approved by MPs and peers, landlords and letting agents would be legally required to publish an asking rent for their property and banned from encouraging or accepting any bids above this price."


    It took me one second to realise what this would probably do. It is likely to just mean that asking prices for rents will increase substantially, if the legislation is enforced, with the 'bids' being up to the asking price, which would be the highest price possible.

    Interfering with the market to solve a problem like this (high rents) is typically regarded as a bad idea for very good reasons.

    Sure, but the bidding process is additional stress for tenants and a huge waste of time for all those who are unsuccessful. I'm deeply grateful that we don't have it in Scotland.

    I'm not even sure you're right that the market price would be unaffected. Auctions are designed to squeeze as much consumer surplus as possible out of the transaction, so a fixed price will be at worst the same as the auction price, and perhaps lower.
    Surely the asking price would just be the price that is the highest likely to be achieved, and then it gets discounted until someone bites or an acceptable offer is made. You could also put in a massive range - there would be nothing stopping you from doing this under the legislation. It is a different strategy to pricing low and taking offers. Why would a landlord set a low price in this situation?

    The reality in my view is that rents will follow supply and demand, costs for landlords, interest rates, and regulation, unless the private rented sector is nationalised in state controlled, which raises a whole load of other problems.

    I am selling a property now. The market is slow and there are lots of properties on the market for months and years on end at previously achievable prices. The price I have put it on for is about 10% less than what I think the sale price could be with 'offers in excess of'. There is lots of interest including some people that can only afford the lower price - they may be lucky so no harm in them viewing the property. No public interest is being served by the government interfering in this process.
    I think the issue is that a lot of renters are pressurising Labour to implement the suggested fix (fixed rents) because they haven't worked out the consequences of it.

    The person who is a better proposition is still going to be the person who rents the property the people who don't pay over the odds will still win by a different means.

    The only solution is to vastly increase the supply of houses and I can't see anything that fixes that issue.
    Both this government and the last one have caved to lobbying from leaseholders and renters. It is hard because as you say the people driving these demands forward don't understand/appreciate the consequences of their demands, it is tied in with notions of justice. But the basic pattern of all action in this area is inflationary in relation to costs and rent.

    The regulatory environment also makes improving the supply of housing via the private sector considerably more difficult. Successive governments have got themselves in to a position where they themselves will need to subsidise housebuilding, and as we know there is no money to do that.

    It is going to be many, many more years of frustration.

  • Taz said:

    Sandpit said:

    darkage said:

    I am concerned the government do not understand inflation and what causes it. If you take this as an example:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cqjlxxejreeo

    Ban on rental bidding wars is on the way - but will it work?

    "The government has set out plans to end bidding wars as part of a wider Renters' Rights Bill, which was published on Wednesday.

    Under the legislation, which still needs to be approved by MPs and peers, landlords and letting agents would be legally required to publish an asking rent for their property and banned from encouraging or accepting any bids above this price."


    It took me one second to realise what this would probably do. It is likely to just mean that asking prices for rents will increase substantially, if the legislation is enforced, with the 'bids' being up to the asking price, which would be the highest price possible.

    Interfering with the market to solve a problem like this (high rents) is typically regarded as a bad idea for very good reasons.

    Nothing to stop landlords going for an "asking price" at least 20% over what they would actually accept. There will be people deseprate enough to make an offer mid way.

    How do Labour plan to win the battle of mid way?
    Rent controls don’t work. Who knew?
    This Labour government does look to be politically tone deaf. Early days, but the memories of how bad the Tories were are fading faster than anybody thoight possible.

    "At least the Tories never did [insert x y or z]"
    I was discussing this with my wife the other day saying I had strong buyers remorse for voting labour.

    She did point out the Tories were awful, and she is right.

    Also she pointed out I did not really want to risk a REform MP, although I do not get triggered by Reform as much as most here.

    I think your point is good though.
    Scout not soldier... But what did you expect them to do/not do that they haven't/have done?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 27,551
    ...
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    darkage said:

    I am concerned the government do not understand inflation and what causes it. If you take this as an example:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cqjlxxejreeo

    Ban on rental bidding wars is on the way - but will it work?

    "The government has set out plans to end bidding wars as part of a wider Renters' Rights Bill, which was published on Wednesday.

    Under the legislation, which still needs to be approved by MPs and peers, landlords and letting agents would be legally required to publish an asking rent for their property and banned from encouraging or accepting any bids above this price."


    It took me one second to realise what this would probably do. It is likely to just mean that asking prices for rents will increase substantially, if the legislation is enforced, with the 'bids' being up to the asking price, which would be the highest price possible.

    Interfering with the market to solve a problem like this (high rents) is typically regarded as a bad idea for very good reasons.

    Nothing to stop landlords going for an "asking price" at least 20% over what they would actually accept. There will be people deseprate enough to make an offer mid way.

    How do Labour plan to win the battle of mid way?
    Rent controls don’t work. Who knew?
    This Labour government does look to be politically tone deaf. Early days, but the memories of how bad the Tories were are fading faster than anybody thoight possible.

    "At least the Tories never did [insert x y or z]"
    Some of us might have said before the election, that the things we were complaining about the government doing or not doing, (high immigration, high taxes, infrastructure projects, public sector wokery etc.) would all be worse under a Labour government.
    That golden legacy still being squandered.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 70,652
    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    JFDI, as with all the other infrastructure projects. If it needs private finance, then take the private finance.
    More a case of being able to attract that finance rather than just taking it.
    It's not impossible, though, as the economic case is quite strong.
    If they have a genuine plan based on a 300kph line rather than a 350kph line, and it’s 30% cheaper, then just get on with it.

    Watching from somewhere where infrastructure just bloody happens, the endless decades of discussion about these projects are costing hundreds of billions in missed opportunity, by not having them already open.

    Find the bottleneck and fix it, then move to the next bottleneck and fix that, and keep going because there’s always a next one.
    Oh, I agree.
    Most of the planning and land acquisition is already done. It would be stupid to throw that away. But it's not quite as simple as JFDI.

    The rug has been pulled so often that it's going to be tricky convincing the private sector to buy in, without having to overpay to get them to do so.
    There might also be a difficulty that legally the government is still obliged to build the line from Handsacre to Crewe.

    But since it would require an Act of Parliament to build the line from Crewe to Warrington anyway that shouldn't be an insuperable problem.

    I'd also like to know what proposals (if any) are being made for the eastern leg to Leeds, rather than the nonsense dreamed up on Shapps' watch.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 17,460

    Trump has got that horrible strategic problem.

    On these figures, he is surely unambiguously behind, in need of something to mix things up.

    But on the basis of his performance in this week's debate, another debate will probably make things worse for him.

    And the option that a smart gambler would use- walk away and put the losses down to experience- isn't really open to him.

    Such a shame.

    The thing is, a couple of weeks without a debate to act as distraction allows voters to consider things based on the fundamentals - the economy, and other issues they care most about (immigration, abortion).

    Two of those three work for Trump, so the absence of a debate works well for him, I think.

    The main problem Harris has is that the voters aren't happy with the status quo, and she's the incumbent VP.
  • Sandpit said:

    eek said:

    Sandpit said:

    JFDI, as with all the other infrastructure projects. If it needs private finance, then take the private finance.
    That's the thing we seem to have forgotten over the past 15 years - it's infrastructure projects that generate growth because it allows people better options that didn't exist before.

    Frankly the infrastructure of many Northern Cities make Sofia look like a better place to do business
    Absolutely. Watching from somewhere where infrastructure just bloody happens, it’s immensely frustrating to see way more time spent on discussion than execution. JFDI.

    I refer to my old anecdote from a decade ago, that Dubai Airport built their Terminal 3 in the same time as Heathrow Terminal 5’s planning inquiry. Same project scope, new buildings on an existing airfield, with no external construction except for the access roads. Why does the UK spend half a decade talking about a new terminal building at an existing airport? JFDI.
    Heathrow 3rd runway proposal was started by the govt in 2006. To be fair that is quite quick compared to us taking 20 years of planning simply to update our train timetables in 2018 and still creating chaos for several months.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 51,762
    edited September 13
    Taz said:

    Sandpit said:

    darkage said:

    I am concerned the government do not understand inflation and what causes it. If you take this as an example:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cqjlxxejreeo

    Ban on rental bidding wars is on the way - but will it work?

    "The government has set out plans to end bidding wars as part of a wider Renters' Rights Bill, which was published on Wednesday.

    Under the legislation, which still needs to be approved by MPs and peers, landlords and letting agents would be legally required to publish an asking rent for their property and banned from encouraging or accepting any bids above this price."


    It took me one second to realise what this would probably do. It is likely to just mean that asking prices for rents will increase substantially, if the legislation is enforced, with the 'bids' being up to the asking price, which would be the highest price possible.

    Interfering with the market to solve a problem like this (high rents) is typically regarded as a bad idea for very good reasons.

    Nothing to stop landlords going for an "asking price" at least 20% over what they would actually accept. There will be people deseprate enough to make an offer mid way.

    How do Labour plan to win the battle of mid way?
    Rent controls don’t work. Who knew?
    This Labour government does look to be politically tone deaf. Early days, but the memories of how bad the Tories were are fading faster than anybody thoight possible.

    "At least the Tories never did [insert x y or z]"
    I was discussing this with my wife the other day saying I had strong buyers remorse for voting labour.

    She did point out the Tories were awful, and she is right.

    Also she pointed out I did not really want to risk a REform MP, although I do not get triggered by Reform as much as most here.

    I think your point is good though.
    In a political discussion, you can always make the point that "Only 20% of registered voters actually voted for Labour you know." Then hope those listening assume you were in the 80%... :)
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 17,460

    Trump is ahead of Harris on the issues that matter most to voters - the economy and immigration. For me, that makes him favourite, whatever national polling might say. Harris is a better candidate than Biden but she is still a weak one. Any other Republican would be home and dry by now. Trump's unique toxicity makes it much closer than it would otherwise be but I'd still be very surprised (pleasantly so) if he did did not win.

    I'm really not sure that's true.

    The Republicans have a structural problem in US politics that has seen them only win the popular vote once in the last eight Presidential elections. That's a really poor record with a wide mix of different nominees and opposing Democratic nominees.

    Trump has created an enthusiasm in the Republican base that I don't think a generic Republican candidate could match, and I think most other Republicans would lose a lower turnout election by a wider margin.
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