My grandmother loved two politicians in her entire life. FDR and RFK.
I wish I could see her reaction to RFK's son and namesake--and let's be honest, the most authentic to his dad's legacy--endorsing the people's president, Donald J. Trump.
Trump on RFK in April: "Totally Anti-Gun, an Extreme Environmentalist who makes the Green New Scammers look Conservative, a Big Time Taxer and Open Border Advocate, and Anti-Military/Vet…I'd even take Biden over Junior."
To be fair, you could post a video of Harris calling in 2020 for effective defunding of the police post-George Floyd and now proclaiming her pro-law and order credentials, or indeed claiming Biden was a racist and then becoming his VP. Such pivots are common in the States.
Actual Harris quotes for comparison please
That would, in any event, be missing the point. What’s eminently clear from the convention is that the Democrats are united.
DJT just chucked his VP under the bus. I doubt it will get better for them from here.
Look, be reasonable, he hasn't got a noose out for this VP yet.
SNP 41 Labour 40 Con 18 LDs 8 Greens 10 Alba 4 Reform 8
Not enough seats for another SNP and Green majority on those numbers, even if Alba backed them.
Not enough seats for a Labour and LD majority either. So Scottish Conservatives would hold the balance of power even with fewer seats, not impossible they could offer to keep Swinney in power in return for a commitment to abandon any indyref2 push. In 2007 the SCons kept a minority Salmond government in power of course
Not so long ago, you were playing the anti-independence tune and suggesting the Scottish Conservatives should support a minority Labour or Lab/LD coalition in order to maintain a Unionist majority ar Holyrood.
They could still do that but in some respects with a Labour UK government now with a big majority and a weakened SNP that has lost most of its MPs, the prospect of Swinney losing his majority with the Greens and being reliant on the Tories to get any legislation through might be quite enticing for the SCons. It would mean their first real return to power in any sense of the word would be in Scotland, not England, Wales or the wider UK. Indeed on economic matters now Forbes is SNP Finance Minister an SNP government would arguably be right of a Labour government at Holyrood and as long as the independence issue was neutralised less of a concern for Tories
My grandmother loved two politicians in her entire life. FDR and RFK.
I wish I could see her reaction to RFK's son and namesake--and let's be honest, the most authentic to his dad's legacy--endorsing the people's president, Donald J. Trump.
Trump on RFK in April: "Totally Anti-Gun, an Extreme Environmentalist who makes the Green New Scammers look Conservative, a Big Time Taxer and Open Border Advocate, and Anti-Military/Vet…I'd even take Biden over Junior."
Call me grumpy, but I feel you can only justify civil servants spending more than thirty seconds on this [Larry the Cat] nonsense if the country is doing so well in every other respect that they've got literally nothing better to do, and I'm unconvinced that's the case.
"Carrie Johnson has returned to the political frontline. The former Tory PM’s wife is assisting Robert Jenrick in his bid for the Tory leadership. ‘Carrie is helping Rob,’ a Jenrick ally informed me. ‘She’s making calls for him.’ "
Will Boris Johnson step in as kingmaker or queenmaker for the Tories?
Dan Hodges in Mail
If Carrie is backing Jenrick that will certainly be with Boris' blessing, suggesting Jenrick is the anointed one from Johnson Mansion.
"Carrie Johnson has returned to the political frontline. The former Tory PM’s wife is assisting Robert Jenrick in his bid for the Tory leadership. ‘Carrie is helping Rob,’ a Jenrick ally informed me. ‘She’s making calls for him.’ "
Will Boris Johnson step in as kingmaker or queenmaker for the Tories?
Dan Hodges in Mail
If Carrie is backing Jenrick that will certainly be with Boris' blessing, suggesting Jenrick is the anointed one from Johnson Mansion.
I guess Johnson still has enormous sway with the membership (who still can't understand why he was ousted)?
I am headed to the poorhouse on this one it seems as I am red, red, red on Jenrick.
He'll last two years.
Edit: In fact - thinking about it - won't Johnson be angling for the MP who is least likely to make it to GE 2028/9? As he habours thoughts of his restoration as the King Over the Water? What better than some smuck does the hard yards for two or three years of oppo shite and then our hero breezes in on a by-election for the next GE 2028 showdown?
I agree that the Tories spent far too much chasing the pensioner vote at the expense of the working population. But the way some talk about pensioners on here is as if they’re universally as rich as Croesus and raking it in with all these generous entitlements. The state pension is not (despite the cries of unfairness about the triple lock) a huge sum, and a significant amount of the pensioner class rely on it with limited private pensions/savings.
Labour will be onto a hiding to nothing if they manage to p*ss off pensioners to a significant degree. Two things to bear in mind: a lot of pensioners have children, who will never hear the end of any Labour unfairness from their parents, and plenty of people in their 50s (or younger!) already have one eye on their retirement. And I say that as someone who believes some careful recalibration is needed, and support the removal of some universal benefits (though as I have said before, pension credit was the wrong benchmark for the WFA).
I tend to agree with that. So I support the triple lock until state pensions reach an acceptable basic level. However a mechanism needs to be implemented to ensure people like me do not get things like the winter fuel allowance and Christmas bonus. Labour does seem to have taken the right approach, but it does need to get those not getting these benefits on to them
Has the £10 Christmas bonus been cut. It should be, if for no other reason £10 is ridiculous. I shouldn't get, but maybe those on benefits could do with £100.
The full triple-locked pension, even today, is under £1,000 a month but still extremely expensive, and probably unsustainable.
It just goes to show what a fantasy ideas of a UBI are.
I think a UBI is a brilliant idea, but it should be tax neutral. We are not talking magic money trees here. Firstly you abolish the Personal Allowance as that will no longer be needed and then you amend the tax rates to make it tax neutral. Benefits will largely be abolished overnight as will student loans, state pension, maternity payments, unemployment benefits, etc, etc. You will just about be able to wind up the DWP as it will have practically no purpose. The only benefits I can envisage are for capital items for disabled people.
Tax rates would have to be quite progressive. As you have the UBI it can start on the very first pound earned, but you don't want to discourage work so needs to be progressive so that low income people don't get completely hammered.
What is not to like. Huge Government savings, nobody in poverty or falling through the cracks in the benefits system or too proud to claim it. No abuse possible as there is no system to play. True if you don't want to work you will get it, but there is no system to play to get you more.
Abolishing the personal allowance and taxing from the 1st pound earned....to be revenue neutral that would amount to ubi of 2550 a person. UBI only works if it provides enough for people to live on even without work because one of the cost savings ubi proponents always try to claim is getting rid of all the admin for benefits.
Currently someone on uc, which most think inadequate, when you include housing benefit, and council tax benefit alone, is going to be about 12k for a single person.
So to fund ubi you are going to need (if restricted to adults which probably wont work but just as an example) 12000 x 45,000,000 = 540 billion
So you need to increase income tax and ni to bring in that much to remain revenue neutral
currently income tax plus employee ni raises around 440 billion....so you now have 100 billion gap immediately to fund. Giving every adult 12k a year wont be enough to remove all the admin....single parents with children , the disabled etc will need more than that so the admin will remain so don't claim it will make up the difference
Do you think 12k ubi is enough? Please don't claim its not enough as that will mean people who cant work/wont work would be on the streets starving it is the bare minimum you would need to pay
I don't know what enough is, but you and @Casino_Royale and @FrancisUrquhart are all falling into he same trap of thinking it is expensive. For all the issues of moving over to UBI the one thing that isn't an issue is cost (as @Eabhal points out) because you design it to be financially neutral
And in case you think I am relying on cost savings from the DWP I am not. Useful as that is it is a pittance compared to the cost of the UBI.
But all you are doing is rearranging the tax system. You eliminate Personal Allowance because that isn't needed anymore. You eliminate Benefits because they aren't needed anymore. So that has made up a chunk of your costs. You are now however almost certainly still in deficit so you introduce a more progressive tax system. Now people aren't keen on paying higher rates of tax but you have just given them a whole lot of free cash in the UBI to clawback where relevant. As much as possible you set up the rates and thresholds so that people are more or less in the same position as they were before (there will obviously be winners and losers). Hopefully the winners will be those who previously didn't claim benefits or were struggling on them. The losers may be those who played the system. Hopefully the saving in admin may make everyone, particularly those at the poorer end just a little better off.
Well then set a figure then we can do a calculation and ask how you make it tax neutral....ubi advocates never seem to want to set a figure because when you do the calculation there is an obvious gap between the value of what you are giving as ubi and the current amount taxed
"Carrie Johnson has returned to the political frontline. The former Tory PM’s wife is assisting Robert Jenrick in his bid for the Tory leadership. ‘Carrie is helping Rob,’ a Jenrick ally informed me. ‘She’s making calls for him.’ "
Will Boris Johnson step in as kingmaker or queenmaker for the Tories?
Dan Hodges in Mail
If Carrie is backing Jenrick that will certainly be with Boris' blessing, suggesting Jenrick is the anointed one from Johnson Mansion.
'...For their part, Johnson allies believe Badenoch had a direct hand in his downfall, and see her leadership bid as the culmination of a co-ordinated ‘coup’ involving her political ally Michael Gove.
Some MPs told me last week that they believe Carrie Johnson’s informal lobbying on behalf of Jenrick may even be part of a more concerted ‘Block Badenoch’ operation.
Tom Tugendhat is keeping an even greater distance. During the 2022 leadership election, those vying to succeed Johnson were asked whether they believed the outgoing PM was honest. Badenoch, Sunak, Truss and Penny Mordaunt prevaricated. Tugendhat simply shook his head and said ‘No’.
I don't know what enough is, but you and @Casino_Royale and @FrancisUrquhart are all falling into he same trap of thinking it is expensive. For all the issues of moving over to UBI the one thing that isn't an issue is cost (as @Eabhal points out) because you design it to be financially neutral
And in case you think I am relying on cost savings from the DWP I am not. Useful as that is it is a pittance compared to the cost of the UBI.
But all you are doing is rearranging the tax system. You eliminate Personal Allowance because that isn't needed anymore. You eliminate Benefits because they aren't needed anymore. So that has made up a chunk of your costs. You are now however almost certainly still in deficit so you introduce a more progressive tax system. Now people aren't keen on paying higher rates of tax but you have just given them a whole lot of free cash in the UBI to clawback where relevant. As much as possible you set up the rates and thresholds so that people are more or less in the same position as they were before (there will obviously be winners and losers). Hopefully the winners will be those who previously didn't claim benefits or were struggling on them. The losers may be those who played the system. Hopefully the saving in admin may make everyone, particularly those at the poorer end just a little better off.
You'd also create significant regional imbalances for the poorest, being poor in London would be much worse than being poor in Hartlepool. So it would encourage a kind of levelling up, but delivered harshly. Still in favour though.
Actually, that's a feature, not a bug.
It would effectively act as a tax on London living, and a subsidy for Hartlepool living. People would move from London to Hartlepool, which would help rebalance the country somewhat.
No, only the unemployed would move from London to Hartlepool. Employed people would still get London weighting.
Call me grumpy, but I feel you can only justify civil servants spending more than thirty seconds on this [Larry the Cat] nonsense if the country is doing so well in every other respect that they've got literally nothing better to do, and I'm unconvinced that's the case.
I've stroked Larry the Cat, it will be a sad day when he moves on.
That article in The Times has this revelation, I am outraged.
Planning for the death of Queen Elizabeth II was known as Operation London Bridge, while King Charles’s is referred to as Operation Menai Bridge, after a crossing in Wales.
Surely it should be Operation Wooden Spoon or Operation England won the world cup in 2003.
"Carrie Johnson has returned to the political frontline. The former Tory PM’s wife is assisting Robert Jenrick in his bid for the Tory leadership. ‘Carrie is helping Rob,’ a Jenrick ally informed me. ‘She’s making calls for him.’ "
Will Boris Johnson step in as kingmaker or queenmaker for the Tories?
Dan Hodges in Mail
If Carrie is backing Jenrick that will certainly be with Boris' blessing, suggesting Jenrick is the anointed one from Johnson Mansion.
I guess Johnson still has enormous sway with the membership (who still can't understand why he was ousted)?
I am headed to the poorhouse on this one it seems as I am red, red, red on Jenrick.
He'll last two years.
Edit: In fact - thinking about it - won't Johnson be angling for the MP who is least likely to make it to GE 2028/9? As he habours thoughts of his restoration as the King Over the Water? What better than some smuck does the hard yards for two or three years of oppo shite and then our hero breezes in on a by-election for the next GE 2028 showdown?
Yes Boris' endorsement is now as crucial for candidates hoping to be Tory Leader as Maggie's was from 1990-2005. The Conservatives are still almost as much Boris' party as the GOP are Trump's, certainly out in the country beyond the more Rishi leaning Westminster parliamentary party
My grandmother loved two politicians in her entire life. FDR and RFK.
I wish I could see her reaction to RFK's son and namesake--and let's be honest, the most authentic to his dad's legacy--endorsing the people's president, Donald J. Trump.
Trump on RFK in April: "Totally Anti-Gun, an Extreme Environmentalist who makes the Green New Scammers look Conservative, a Big Time Taxer and Open Border Advocate, and Anti-Military/Vet…I'd even take Biden over Junior."
"Carrie Johnson has returned to the political frontline. The former Tory PM’s wife is assisting Robert Jenrick in his bid for the Tory leadership. ‘Carrie is helping Rob,’ a Jenrick ally informed me. ‘She’s making calls for him.’ "
Will Boris Johnson step in as kingmaker or queenmaker for the Tories?
Dan Hodges in Mail
If Carrie is backing Jenrick that will certainly be with Boris' blessing, suggesting Jenrick is the anointed one from Johnson Mansion.
I guess Johnson still has enormous sway with the membership (who still can't understand why he was ousted)?
I am headed to the poorhouse on this one it seems as I am red, red, red on Jenrick.
He'll last two years.
Edit: In fact - thinking about it - won't Johnson be angling for the MP who is least likely to make it to GE 2028/9? As he habours thoughts of his restoration as the King Over the Water? What better than some smuck does the hard yards for two or three years of oppo shite and then our hero breezes in on a by-election for the next GE 2028 showdown?
He may but he has a huge advantage Hague didn't in that Starmer is already far less popular than Blair was in 1997
"Carrie Johnson has returned to the political frontline. The former Tory PM’s wife is assisting Robert Jenrick in his bid for the Tory leadership. ‘Carrie is helping Rob,’ a Jenrick ally informed me. ‘She’s making calls for him.’ "
Will Boris Johnson step in as kingmaker or queenmaker for the Tories?
Dan Hodges in Mail
If Carrie is backing Jenrick that will certainly be with Boris' blessing, suggesting Jenrick is the anointed one from Johnson Mansion.
I guess Johnson still has enormous sway with the membership (who still can't understand why he was ousted)?
I am headed to the poorhouse on this one it seems as I am red, red, red on Jenrick.
He'll last two years.
Edit: In fact - thinking about it - won't Johnson be angling for the MP who is least likely to make it to GE 2028/9? As he habours thoughts of his restoration as the King Over the Water? What better than some smuck does the hard yards for two or three years of oppo shite and then our hero breezes in on a by-election for the next GE 2028 showdown?
He may but he has a huge advantage Hague didn't in that Starmer is already far less popular than Blair was in 1997
"Carrie Johnson has returned to the political frontline. The former Tory PM’s wife is assisting Robert Jenrick in his bid for the Tory leadership. ‘Carrie is helping Rob,’ a Jenrick ally informed me. ‘She’s making calls for him.’ "
Will Boris Johnson step in as kingmaker or queenmaker for the Tories?
Dan Hodges in Mail
If Carrie is backing Jenrick that will certainly be with Boris' blessing, suggesting Jenrick is the anointed one from Johnson Mansion.
Earlier it was said Boris supported Priti, his co-owner of Rwanda, but perhaps now she looks doomed he is hedging his bets.
Boris' preferences in order are probably Priti, Jenrick, Cleverly, Badenoch, Stride, Tugendhat.
With Priti looking to be eliminated early he likely backs Jenrick and would probably endorse at the last 2 stage as Thatcher endorsed Major over Heseltine in 1990, Hague over Clarke in 1997 and IDS over Clarke in 2001. For Boris as with Maggie then it is personal, the plotters who removed them must be defeated at all costs
"Carrie Johnson has returned to the political frontline. The former Tory PM’s wife is assisting Robert Jenrick in his bid for the Tory leadership. ‘Carrie is helping Rob,’ a Jenrick ally informed me. ‘She’s making calls for him.’ "
Will Boris Johnson step in as kingmaker or queenmaker for the Tories?
Dan Hodges in Mail
If Carrie is backing Jenrick that will certainly be with Boris' blessing, suggesting Jenrick is the anointed one from Johnson Mansion.
"Carrie Johnson has returned to the political frontline. The former Tory PM’s wife is assisting Robert Jenrick in his bid for the Tory leadership. ‘Carrie is helping Rob,’ a Jenrick ally informed me. ‘She’s making calls for him.’ "
Will Boris Johnson step in as kingmaker or queenmaker for the Tories?
Dan Hodges in Mail
If Carrie is backing Jenrick that will certainly be with Boris' blessing, suggesting Jenrick is the anointed one from Johnson Mansion.
I guess Johnson still has enormous sway with the membership (who still can't understand why he was ousted)?
I am headed to the poorhouse on this one it seems as I am red, red, red on Jenrick.
He'll last two years.
Edit: In fact - thinking about it - won't Johnson be angling for the MP who is least likely to make it to GE 2028/9? As he habours thoughts of his restoration as the King Over the Water? What better than some smuck does the hard yards for two or three years of oppo shite and then our hero breezes in on a by-election for the next GE 2028 showdown?
The fact that the most dishonest person to ever hold high office in the UK in modern times "still has enormous sway over the membership" (which sadly I don't doubt) is a terrible indictment for the collective intelligence of the political party of which I was once a member and activist.
"Carrie Johnson has returned to the political frontline. The former Tory PM’s wife is assisting Robert Jenrick in his bid for the Tory leadership. ‘Carrie is helping Rob,’ a Jenrick ally informed me. ‘She’s making calls for him.’ "
Will Boris Johnson step in as kingmaker or queenmaker for the Tories?
Dan Hodges in Mail
If Carrie is backing Jenrick that will certainly be with Boris' blessing, suggesting Jenrick is the anointed one from Johnson Mansion.
I guess Johnson still has enormous sway with the membership (who still can't understand why he was ousted)?
I am headed to the poorhouse on this one it seems as I am red, red, red on Jenrick.
He'll last two years.
Edit: In fact - thinking about it - won't Johnson be angling for the MP who is least likely to make it to GE 2028/9? As he habours thoughts of his restoration as the King Over the Water? What better than some smuck does the hard yards for two or three years of oppo shite and then our hero breezes in on a by-election for the next GE 2028 showdown?
Yes Boris' endorsement is now as crucial for candidates hoping to be Tory Leader as Maggie's was from 1990-2005. The Conservatives are still almost as much Boris' party as the GOP are Trump's, certainly out in the country beyond the more Rishi leaning Westminster parliamentary party
Didn't Margaret Thatcher come to deeply regret backing John Major in 1990?
As an aside, given 25% of the Conservative 2019 vote decamped to Reform in July, I can see why, with a possible 10-11% of the total electorate up for grabs, any future Conservative leader would make an approach to Reform voters.
The problem is while Johnson's "blessing" may be vital for any future Conservative leader, it's a double edged sword given the depth of Johnson's unpopularity in the wider electorate.
I suspect a party seen to be a vehicle for Boris Johnson won't prosper.
Call me grumpy, but I feel you can only justify civil servants spending more than thirty seconds on this [Larry the Cat] nonsense if the country is doing so well in every other respect that they've got literally nothing better to do, and I'm unconvinced that's the case.
I've stroked Larry the Cat, it will be a sad day when he moves on.
That article in The Times has this revelation, I am outraged.
Planning for the death of Queen Elizabeth II was known as Operation London Bridge, while King Charles’s is referred to as Operation Menai Bridge, after a crossing in Wales.
Surely it should be Operation Wooden Spoon or Operation England won the world cup in 2003.
Chap is so confident of himself that he's made his account private.
"Carrie Johnson has returned to the political frontline. The former Tory PM’s wife is assisting Robert Jenrick in his bid for the Tory leadership. ‘Carrie is helping Rob,’ a Jenrick ally informed me. ‘She’s making calls for him.’ "
Will Boris Johnson step in as kingmaker or queenmaker for the Tories?
Dan Hodges in Mail
If Carrie is backing Jenrick that will certainly be with Boris' blessing, suggesting Jenrick is the anointed one from Johnson Mansion.
If it was just down to Conservative members then Badenoch would likely won. However I think a Jenrick and Tugendhat final 2 is the likeliest outcome amongst Tory MPs who would then be submitted to party members
I simply don't understand why Tory members seem to like Badenoch so much. She's not done or said anything of great merit so far as I can see. The same was true with Truss. I think the Tory party should have a bit of a look at their membership - they must be Labour voters or Russian influencers on their second chance have been booted from PB.
I don't see any evidence the mass of the members have learned anything or forgotten anything.
The main issue is that it's largely only the hard-core and most partisan left.
Call me grumpy, but I feel you can only justify civil servants spending more than thirty seconds on this [Larry the Cat] nonsense if the country is doing so well in every other respect that they've got literally nothing better to do, and I'm unconvinced that's the case.
I've stroked Larry the Cat, it will be a sad day when he moves on.
That article in The Times has this revelation, I am outraged.
Planning for the death of Queen Elizabeth II was known as Operation London Bridge, while King Charles’s is referred to as Operation Menai Bridge, after a crossing in Wales.
Surely it should be Operation Wooden Spoon or Operation England won the world cup in 2003.
To really confuse the fuck out of people, it should be named for Wales’ largest bridge.
Then the King’s death would trigger Operation Prince of Wales Bridge.
"Carrie Johnson has returned to the political frontline. The former Tory PM’s wife is assisting Robert Jenrick in his bid for the Tory leadership. ‘Carrie is helping Rob,’ a Jenrick ally informed me. ‘She’s making calls for him.’ "
Will Boris Johnson step in as kingmaker or queenmaker for the Tories?
Dan Hodges in Mail
If Carrie is backing Jenrick that will certainly be with Boris' blessing, suggesting Jenrick is the anointed one from Johnson Mansion.
Earlier it was said Boris supported Priti, his co-owner of Rwanda, but perhaps now she looks doomed he is hedging his bets.
Boris' preferences in order are probably Priti, Jenrick, Cleverly, Badenoch, Stride, Tugendhat.
With Priti looking to be eliminated early he likely backs Jenrick and would probably endorse at the last 2 stage as Thatcher endorsed Major over Heseltine in 1990, Hague over Clarke in 1997 and IDS over Clarke in 2001. For Boris as with Maggie then it is personal, the plotters who removed them must be defeated at all costs
Their bitterness at their removal is about the only similarity between the two party leaders ( I use the word "Leader" advisedly when referring to The Clown). Boris Johnson was a buffoon, Thatcher was a political colossus
Can't do what? Make the odd witty comment at PMQs that the small percentage who really pay attention to politics might appreciate? Devise policies that will never be implemented? Watch helplessly as an overwhelming majority means that the government can do whatever it likes however irrational or self harming and all your work and smart comments are to no avail?
Worrying about who the next Tory leader is shows that you haven't come to terms with what happened last month. They are irrelevant and will be for 10 years now. That is the price of complete failure.
Nonsense. Snap out of it man, and grow up.
You're facing a socialist government, and it's time to rally around and challenge it.
Can't do what? Make the odd witty comment at PMQs that the small percentage who really pay attention to politics might appreciate? Devise policies that will never be implemented? Watch helplessly as an overwhelming majority means that the government can do whatever it likes however irrational or self harming and all your work and smart comments are to no avail?
Worrying about who the next Tory leader is shows that you haven't come to terms with what happened last month. They are irrelevant and will be for 10 years now. That is the price of complete failure.
Nonsense. Snap out of it man, and grow up.
You're facing a socialist government, and it's time to rally around and challenge it.
He is correct the tories are now irrelevant, I think labour are also heading that way
"Carrie Johnson has returned to the political frontline. The former Tory PM’s wife is assisting Robert Jenrick in his bid for the Tory leadership. ‘Carrie is helping Rob,’ a Jenrick ally informed me. ‘She’s making calls for him.’ "
Will Boris Johnson step in as kingmaker or queenmaker for the Tories?
Dan Hodges in Mail
If Carrie is backing Jenrick that will certainly be with Boris' blessing, suggesting Jenrick is the anointed one from Johnson Mansion.
"Carrie Johnson has returned to the political frontline. The former Tory PM’s wife is assisting Robert Jenrick in his bid for the Tory leadership. ‘Carrie is helping Rob,’ a Jenrick ally informed me. ‘She’s making calls for him.’ "
Will Boris Johnson step in as kingmaker or queenmaker for the Tories?
Dan Hodges in Mail
If Carrie is backing Jenrick that will certainly be with Boris' blessing, suggesting Jenrick is the anointed one from Johnson Mansion.
"Carrie Johnson has returned to the political frontline. The former Tory PM’s wife is assisting Robert Jenrick in his bid for the Tory leadership. ‘Carrie is helping Rob,’ a Jenrick ally informed me. ‘She’s making calls for him.’ "
Will Boris Johnson step in as kingmaker or queenmaker for the Tories?
Dan Hodges in Mail
If Carrie is backing Jenrick that will certainly be with Boris' blessing, suggesting Jenrick is the anointed one from Johnson Mansion.
Earlier it was said Boris supported Priti, his co-owner of Rwanda, but perhaps now she looks doomed he is hedging his bets.
Boris' preferences in order are probably Priti, Jenrick, Cleverly, Badenoch, Stride, Tugendhat.
With Priti looking to be eliminated early he likely backs Jenrick and would probably endorse at the last 2 stage as Thatcher endorsed Major over Heseltine in 1990, Hague over Clarke in 1997 and IDS over Clarke in 2001. For Boris as with Maggie then it is personal, the plotters who removed them must be defeated at all costs
Their bitterness at their removal is about the only similarity between the two party leaders ( I use the word "Leader" advisedly when referring to The Clown). Boris Johnson was a buffoon, Thatcher was a political colossus
Yet the 2 of them won the biggest Conservative general election majorities of the last 50 years
"Carrie Johnson has returned to the political frontline. The former Tory PM’s wife is assisting Robert Jenrick in his bid for the Tory leadership. ‘Carrie is helping Rob,’ a Jenrick ally informed me. ‘She’s making calls for him.’ "
Will Boris Johnson step in as kingmaker or queenmaker for the Tories?
Dan Hodges in Mail
If Carrie is backing Jenrick that will certainly be with Boris' blessing, suggesting Jenrick is the anointed one from Johnson Mansion.
"Carrie Johnson has returned to the political frontline. The former Tory PM’s wife is assisting Robert Jenrick in his bid for the Tory leadership. ‘Carrie is helping Rob,’ a Jenrick ally informed me. ‘She’s making calls for him.’ "
Will Boris Johnson step in as kingmaker or queenmaker for the Tories?
Dan Hodges in Mail
If Carrie is backing Jenrick that will certainly be with Boris' blessing, suggesting Jenrick is the anointed one from Johnson Mansion.
I guess Johnson still has enormous sway with the membership (who still can't understand why he was ousted)?
I am headed to the poorhouse on this one it seems as I am red, red, red on Jenrick.
He'll last two years.
Edit: In fact - thinking about it - won't Johnson be angling for the MP who is least likely to make it to GE 2028/9? As he habours thoughts of his restoration as the King Over the Water? What better than some smuck does the hard yards for two or three years of oppo shite and then our hero breezes in on a by-election for the next GE 2028 showdown?
Yes Boris' endorsement is now as crucial for candidates hoping to be Tory Leader as Maggie's was from 1990-2005. The Conservatives are still almost as much Boris' party as the GOP are Trump's, certainly out in the country beyond the more Rishi leaning Westminster parliamentary party
Didn't Margaret Thatcher come to deeply regret backing John Major in 1990?
As an aside, given 25% of the Conservative 2019 vote decamped to Reform in July, I can see why, with a possible 10-11% of the total electorate up for grabs, any future Conservative leader would make an approach to Reform voters.
The problem is while Johnson's "blessing" may be vital for any future Conservative leader, it's a double edged sword given the depth of Johnson's unpopularity in the wider electorate.
I suspect a party seen to be a vehicle for Boris Johnson won't prosper.
Not against Heseltine, she just semi endorsed the even further right Redwood in 1995 when he challenged Major (though at that stage she really wanted the still arch Thatcherite Portillo as her heir apparent to challenge JM before he went 'wobbly' from her perspective and she backed IDS in 2001).
Reform voters Tories need to win back certainly largely still like Boris
"Carrie Johnson has returned to the political frontline. The former Tory PM’s wife is assisting Robert Jenrick in his bid for the Tory leadership. ‘Carrie is helping Rob,’ a Jenrick ally informed me. ‘She’s making calls for him.’ "
Will Boris Johnson step in as kingmaker or queenmaker for the Tories?
Dan Hodges in Mail
If Carrie is backing Jenrick that will certainly be with Boris' blessing, suggesting Jenrick is the anointed one from Johnson Mansion.
I guess Johnson still has enormous sway with the membership (who still can't understand why he was ousted)?
I am headed to the poorhouse on this one it seems as I am red, red, red on Jenrick.
He'll last two years.
Edit: In fact - thinking about it - won't Johnson be angling for the MP who is least likely to make it to GE 2028/9? As he habours thoughts of his restoration as the King Over the Water? What better than some smuck does the hard yards for two or three years of oppo shite and then our hero breezes in on a by-election for the next GE 2028 showdown?
He may but he has a huge advantage Hague didn't in that Starmer is already far less popular than Blair was in 1997
However, unlike Hague, he's also a humourless Tristram* that nobody actually likes.
Can't do what? Make the odd witty comment at PMQs that the small percentage who really pay attention to politics might appreciate? Devise policies that will never be implemented? Watch helplessly as an overwhelming majority means that the government can do whatever it likes however irrational or self harming and all your work and smart comments are to no avail?
Worrying about who the next Tory leader is shows that you haven't come to terms with what happened last month. They are irrelevant and will be for 10 years now. That is the price of complete failure.
Nonsense. Snap out of it man, and grow up.
You're facing a socialist government, and it's time to rally around and challenge it.
He is correct the tories are now irrelevant, I think labour are also heading that way
I don't think they are irrelevant.
This is a self-fulfilling prophecy: if you believe in personal responsibility, freedom, family, community, nation and a bold future - you have to fight for it. Or you lose it by default.
Can't do what? Make the odd witty comment at PMQs that the small percentage who really pay attention to politics might appreciate? Devise policies that will never be implemented? Watch helplessly as an overwhelming majority means that the government can do whatever it likes however irrational or self harming and all your work and smart comments are to no avail?
Worrying about who the next Tory leader is shows that you haven't come to terms with what happened last month. They are irrelevant and will be for 10 years now. That is the price of complete failure.
Nonsense. Snap out of it man, and grow up.
You're facing a socialist government, and it's time to rally around and challenge it.
He is correct the tories are now irrelevant, I think labour are also heading that way
I don't think they are irrelevant.
This is a self-fulfilling prophecy: if you believe in personal responsibility, freedom, family, community, nation and a bold future - you have to fight for it. Or you lose it by default.
Wek none of that describes the conservatives of the last decade....;they stand for none of that they stand for what they can grift
Can't do what? Make the odd witty comment at PMQs that the small percentage who really pay attention to politics might appreciate? Devise policies that will never be implemented? Watch helplessly as an overwhelming majority means that the government can do whatever it likes however irrational or self harming and all your work and smart comments are to no avail?
Worrying about who the next Tory leader is shows that you haven't come to terms with what happened last month. They are irrelevant and will be for 10 years now. That is the price of complete failure.
Nonsense. Snap out of it man, and grow up.
You're facing a socialist government, and it's time to rally around and challenge it.
He is correct the tories are now irrelevant, I think labour are also heading that way
I don't think they are irrelevant.
This is a self-fulfilling prophecy: if you believe in personal responsibility, freedom, family, community, nation and a bold future - you have to fight for it. Or you lose it by default.
Wek none of that describes the conservatives of the last decade....;they stand for none of that they stand for what they can grift
The idea just to take two out of that list...that johnson stood for personal responsibility or family is so risible I can't see how you claim those attributes with out realising you are a lying toad
"Carrie Johnson has returned to the political frontline. The former Tory PM’s wife is assisting Robert Jenrick in his bid for the Tory leadership. ‘Carrie is helping Rob,’ a Jenrick ally informed me. ‘She’s making calls for him.’ "
Will Boris Johnson step in as kingmaker or queenmaker for the Tories?
Dan Hodges in Mail
If Jenrick becomes Con leader it sounds like we should prepare for a Boris comeback.
Someone riding a cycle without working lights on the pavement of Villette Road, Sunderland, at 2:30am on a weekday morning, went past police responding to an incident. He was stopped and they had words. They then let him go on his way after helping him back onto his cycle (says his solicitor).
Charges were laid 2 1/2 weeks later, and he was brought to Magistrates Court.
He was charged with causing common danger by riding a pedal cycle in the hours of darkness with no illumination, contrary to the 1835 Highway Act. He was also taken to task under the same act for riding a pedal cycle on a footpath set aside for pedestrians on Tuesday, April 30. His third and final offence – using a pedal cycle without front and rear lights on a road at night – was prosecuted under the 1988 Road Traffic Offenders Act.
He pled guilty to all three offences, and was given a condition discharge and no fine.
On this one, I'm thinking WTF, how is this in the Public Interest, and what did such a prosecution cost?
Sky News: "Islamic State claims responsibility for the German knife attack".
Doesn't mean they did it to be frank they would probably claim responsibility for the crossword being done in your copy of the sun, they lack publicity of late since they got pretty much annihalated
Can't do what? Make the odd witty comment at PMQs that the small percentage who really pay attention to politics might appreciate? Devise policies that will never be implemented? Watch helplessly as an overwhelming majority means that the government can do whatever it likes however irrational or self harming and all your work and smart comments are to no avail?
Worrying about who the next Tory leader is shows that you haven't come to terms with what happened last month. They are irrelevant and will be for 10 years now. That is the price of complete failure.
Nonsense. Snap out of it man, and grow up.
You're facing a socialist government, and it's time to rally around and challenge it.
Good grief Casino, how old are you?
This is nothing like a socialist government. The only time this country has got close to a socialist government was 1945-1950 and even that was fairly mild.
Starmer's is likely to be very much like Blair2, possibly a bit better, possibly not. But in any event, it will be a shedload better than the mismanagement we have had for the past 14 years.
Can't do what? Make the odd witty comment at PMQs that the small percentage who really pay attention to politics might appreciate? Devise policies that will never be implemented? Watch helplessly as an overwhelming majority means that the government can do whatever it likes however irrational or self harming and all your work and smart comments are to no avail?
Worrying about who the next Tory leader is shows that you haven't come to terms with what happened last month. They are irrelevant and will be for 10 years now. That is the price of complete failure.
Nonsense. Snap out of it man, and grow up.
You're facing a socialist government, and it's time to rally around and challenge it.
Good grief Casino, how old are you?
This is nothing like a socialist government. The only time this country has got close to a socialist government was 1945-1950 and even that was fairly mild.
Starmer's is likely to be very much like Blair2, possibly a bit better, possibly not. But in any event, it will be a shedload better than the mismanagement we have had for the past 14 years.
I do agree with Casino that starmers government is going to be a slow motion car crash, so would a tory or lib dem government at this point. We need to change not continue more of the same
Can't do what? Make the odd witty comment at PMQs that the small percentage who really pay attention to politics might appreciate? Devise policies that will never be implemented? Watch helplessly as an overwhelming majority means that the government can do whatever it likes however irrational or self harming and all your work and smart comments are to no avail?
Worrying about who the next Tory leader is shows that you haven't come to terms with what happened last month. They are irrelevant and will be for 10 years now. That is the price of complete failure.
Nonsense. Snap out of it man, and grow up.
You're facing a socialist government, and it's time to rally around and challenge it.
Good grief Casino, how old are you?
This is nothing like a socialist government. The only time this country has got close to a socialist government was 1945-1950 and even that was fairly mild.
Starmer's is likely to be very much like Blair2, possibly a bit better, possibly not. But in any event, it will be a shedload better than the mismanagement we have had for the past 14 years.
At the moment Starmer's government is far more like Brown2 than Blair2
Can't do what? Make the odd witty comment at PMQs that the small percentage who really pay attention to politics might appreciate? Devise policies that will never be implemented? Watch helplessly as an overwhelming majority means that the government can do whatever it likes however irrational or self harming and all your work and smart comments are to no avail?
Worrying about who the next Tory leader is shows that you haven't come to terms with what happened last month. They are irrelevant and will be for 10 years now. That is the price of complete failure.
Nonsense. Snap out of it man, and grow up.
You're facing a socialist government, and it's time to rally around and challenge it.
Good grief Casino, how old are you?
This is nothing like a socialist government. The only time this country has got close to a socialist government was 1945-1950 and even that was fairly mild.
Starmer's is likely to be very much like Blair2, possibly a bit better, possibly not. But in any event, it will be a shedload better than the mismanagement we have had for the past 14 years.
At the moment Starmer's government is far more like Brown2 than Blair2
Yes, I think SKS is like a non-loopy version of Gordon Brooooooonnnnnnn...
Someone riding a cycle without working lights on the pavement of Villette Road, Sunderland, at 2:30am on a weekday morning, went past police responding to an incident. He was stopped and they had words. They then let him go on his way after helping him back onto his cycle (says his solicitor).
Charges were laid 2 1/2 weeks later, and he was brought to Magistrates Court.
He was charged with causing common danger by riding a pedal cycle in the hours of darkness with no illumination, contrary to the 1835 Highway Act. He was also taken to task under the same act for riding a pedal cycle on a footpath set aside for pedestrians on Tuesday, April 30. His third and final offence – using a pedal cycle without front and rear lights on a road at night – was prosecuted under the 1988 Road Traffic Offenders Act.
He pled guilty to all three offences, and was given a condition discharge and no fine.
On this one, I'm thinking WTF, how is this in the Public Interest, and what did such a prosecution cost?
Can't do what? Make the odd witty comment at PMQs that the small percentage who really pay attention to politics might appreciate? Devise policies that will never be implemented? Watch helplessly as an overwhelming majority means that the government can do whatever it likes however irrational or self harming and all your work and smart comments are to no avail?
Worrying about who the next Tory leader is shows that you haven't come to terms with what happened last month. They are irrelevant and will be for 10 years now. That is the price of complete failure.
Nonsense. Snap out of it man, and grow up.
You're facing a socialist government, and it's time to rally around and challenge it.
He is correct the tories are now irrelevant, I think labour are also heading that way
I don't think they are irrelevant.
This is a self-fulfilling prophecy: if you believe in personal responsibility, freedom, family, community, nation and a bold future - you have to fight for it. Or you lose it by default.
It is critical that the Tories sort themselves out before Labour implode. Otherwise, when they inevitably do, the country will look to Farage.
8 days, with a possibility of being a little longer.
8 months is arguably pushing the definition of a little longer further than it can reasonably be expected to go. Hopefully they’ll send up a few more changes of clothes and find somewhere for Butch to sleep other than the laboratory.
I disagree that this is embarrassment for Boeing. Utter humiliation would be a better term, I’d say.
Can't do what? Make the odd witty comment at PMQs that the small percentage who really pay attention to politics might appreciate? Devise policies that will never be implemented? Watch helplessly as an overwhelming majority means that the government can do whatever it likes however irrational or self harming and all your work and smart comments are to no avail?
Worrying about who the next Tory leader is shows that you haven't come to terms with what happened last month. They are irrelevant and will be for 10 years now. That is the price of complete failure.
Nonsense. Snap out of it man, and grow up.
You're facing a socialist government, and it's time to rally around and challenge it.
He is correct the tories are now irrelevant, I think labour are also heading that way
I don't think they are irrelevant.
This is a self-fulfilling prophecy: if you believe in personal responsibility, freedom, family, community, nation and a bold future - you have to fight for it. Or you lose it by default.
Wek none of that describes the conservatives of the last decade....;they stand for none of that they stand for what they can grift
If it was just down to Conservative members then Badenoch would likely won. However I think a Jenrick and Tugendhat final 2 is the likeliest outcome amongst Tory MPs who would then be submitted to party members
I simply don't understand why Tory members seem to like Badenoch so much. She's not done or said anything of great merit so far as I can see. The same was true with Truss. I think the Tory party should have a bit of a look at their membership - they must be Labour voters or Russian influencers on their second chance have been booted from PB.
I don't see any evidence the mass of the members have learned anything or forgotten anything.
The main issue is that it's largely only the hard-core and most partisan left.
Which is what bothers me, as someone who would rather have a centre-right government.
In '97, it was possible to point to plausible figures in a future Conservative government. Same in 2017. The non-Corbynites may have been out in the cold, but they were still in the Labour ecosystem.
The hardcore takeover of the Conservatives has been much more complete. That's going to make recovery much harder.
Can't do what? Make the odd witty comment at PMQs that the small percentage who really pay attention to politics might appreciate? Devise policies that will never be implemented? Watch helplessly as an overwhelming majority means that the government can do whatever it likes however irrational or self harming and all your work and smart comments are to no avail?
Worrying about who the next Tory leader is shows that you haven't come to terms with what happened last month. They are irrelevant and will be for 10 years now. That is the price of complete failure.
Nonsense. Snap out of it man, and grow up.
You're facing a socialist government, and it's time to rally around and challenge it.
Good grief Casino, how old are you?
This is nothing like a socialist government. The only time this country has got close to a socialist government was 1945-1950 and even that was fairly mild.
Starmer's is likely to be very much like Blair2, possibly a bit better, possibly not. But in any event, it will be a shedload better than the mismanagement we have had for the past 14 years.
Err, it's a socialist government. Its priorities in the first six weeks alone are clear.
It's had one of the worst starts of any new government in history, and, no, it has me pining for Sunak again. The mismanagement of this one, already, is utterly appalling.
Really. You don't know what you've lost till it's gone.
Can't do what? Make the odd witty comment at PMQs that the small percentage who really pay attention to politics might appreciate? Devise policies that will never be implemented? Watch helplessly as an overwhelming majority means that the government can do whatever it likes however irrational or self harming and all your work and smart comments are to no avail?
Worrying about who the next Tory leader is shows that you haven't come to terms with what happened last month. They are irrelevant and will be for 10 years now. That is the price of complete failure.
Nonsense. Snap out of it man, and grow up.
You're facing a socialist government, and it's time to rally around and challenge it.
Good grief Casino, how old are you?
This is nothing like a socialist government. The only time this country has got close to a socialist government was 1945-1950 and even that was fairly mild.
Starmer's is likely to be very much like Blair2, possibly a bit better, possibly not. But in any event, it will be a shedload better than the mismanagement we have had for the past 14 years.
At the moment Starmer's government is far more like Brown2 than Blair2
Can't do what? Make the odd witty comment at PMQs that the small percentage who really pay attention to politics might appreciate? Devise policies that will never be implemented? Watch helplessly as an overwhelming majority means that the government can do whatever it likes however irrational or self harming and all your work and smart comments are to no avail?
Worrying about who the next Tory leader is shows that you haven't come to terms with what happened last month. They are irrelevant and will be for 10 years now. That is the price of complete failure.
Nonsense. Snap out of it man, and grow up.
You're facing a socialist government, and it's time to rally around and challenge it.
He is correct the tories are now irrelevant, I think labour are also heading that way
I don't think they are irrelevant.
This is a self-fulfilling prophecy: if you believe in personal responsibility, freedom, family, community, nation and a bold future - you have to fight for it. Or you lose it by default.
It is critical that the Tories sort themselves out before Labour implode. Otherwise, when they inevitably do, the country will look to Farage.
The problem is for the right Farage can't win alone, he can appeal to white working class voters who voted for Boris and switched to Labour this time, he can't appeal to middle class wealthier voters who switch between Tory and Labour/LD
Can't do what? Make the odd witty comment at PMQs that the small percentage who really pay attention to politics might appreciate? Devise policies that will never be implemented? Watch helplessly as an overwhelming majority means that the government can do whatever it likes however irrational or self harming and all your work and smart comments are to no avail?
Worrying about who the next Tory leader is shows that you haven't come to terms with what happened last month. They are irrelevant and will be for 10 years now. That is the price of complete failure.
Nonsense. Snap out of it man, and grow up.
You're facing a socialist government, and it's time to rally around and challenge it.
Good grief Casino, how old are you?
This is nothing like a socialist government. The only time this country has got close to a socialist government was 1945-1950 and even that was fairly mild.
Starmer's is likely to be very much like Blair2, possibly a bit better, possibly not. But in any event, it will be a shedload better than the mismanagement we have had for the past 14 years.
At the moment Starmer's government is far more like Brown2 than Blair2
Can't do what? Make the odd witty comment at PMQs that the small percentage who really pay attention to politics might appreciate? Devise policies that will never be implemented? Watch helplessly as an overwhelming majority means that the government can do whatever it likes however irrational or self harming and all your work and smart comments are to no avail?
Worrying about who the next Tory leader is shows that you haven't come to terms with what happened last month. They are irrelevant and will be for 10 years now. That is the price of complete failure.
Nonsense. Snap out of it man, and grow up.
You're facing a socialist government, and it's time to rally around and challenge it.
He is correct the tories are now irrelevant, I think labour are also heading that way
I don't think they are irrelevant.
This is a self-fulfilling prophecy: if you believe in personal responsibility, freedom, family, community, nation and a bold future - you have to fight for it. Or you lose it by default.
Wek none of that describes the conservatives of the last decade....;they stand for none of that they stand for what they can grift
Nonsense.
You call it nonsense the electorate looked at what the idiots did and told you to fuck right off....of course you will argue that the electorate is too stupid to vote for you just like the left....your party was a party of grift and supported absolutely none of those values
Can't do what? Make the odd witty comment at PMQs that the small percentage who really pay attention to politics might appreciate? Devise policies that will never be implemented? Watch helplessly as an overwhelming majority means that the government can do whatever it likes however irrational or self harming and all your work and smart comments are to no avail?
Worrying about who the next Tory leader is shows that you haven't come to terms with what happened last month. They are irrelevant and will be for 10 years now. That is the price of complete failure.
Nonsense. Snap out of it man, and grow up.
You're facing a socialist government, and it's time to rally around and challenge it.
Good grief Casino, how old are you?
This is nothing like a socialist government. The only time this country has got close to a socialist government was 1945-1950 and even that was fairly mild.
Starmer's is likely to be very much like Blair2, possibly a bit better, possibly not. But in any event, it will be a shedload better than the mismanagement we have had for the past 14 years.
At the moment Starmer's government is far more like Brown2 than Blair2
Starmer is a disaster.
Well, of course you'd think so. The rest of us ...
Can't do what? Make the odd witty comment at PMQs that the small percentage who really pay attention to politics might appreciate? Devise policies that will never be implemented? Watch helplessly as an overwhelming majority means that the government can do whatever it likes however irrational or self harming and all your work and smart comments are to no avail?
Worrying about who the next Tory leader is shows that you haven't come to terms with what happened last month. They are irrelevant and will be for 10 years now. That is the price of complete failure.
Nonsense. Snap out of it man, and grow up.
You're facing a socialist government, and it's time to rally around and challenge it.
Good grief Casino, how old are you?
This is nothing like a socialist government. The only time this country has got close to a socialist government was 1945-1950 and even that was fairly mild.
Starmer's is likely to be very much like Blair2, possibly a bit better, possibly not. But in any event, it will be a shedload better than the mismanagement we have had for the past 14 years.
At the moment Starmer's government is far more like Brown2 than Blair2
Starmer is a disaster.
So was sunak , johnson, truss, cameron forgot may but then its so easy to forget a nobody
Can't do what? Make the odd witty comment at PMQs that the small percentage who really pay attention to politics might appreciate? Devise policies that will never be implemented? Watch helplessly as an overwhelming majority means that the government can do whatever it likes however irrational or self harming and all your work and smart comments are to no avail?
Worrying about who the next Tory leader is shows that you haven't come to terms with what happened last month. They are irrelevant and will be for 10 years now. That is the price of complete failure.
Nonsense. Snap out of it man, and grow up.
You're facing a socialist government, and it's time to rally around and challenge it.
Good grief Casino, how old are you?
This is nothing like a socialist government. The only time this country has got close to a socialist government was 1945-1950 and even that was fairly mild.
Starmer's is likely to be very much like Blair2, possibly a bit better, possibly not. But in any event, it will be a shedload better than the mismanagement we have had for the past 14 years.
At the moment Starmer's government is far more like Brown2 than Blair2
Starmer is a disaster.
So was sunak , johnson, truss, cameron
To quote Enoch Powell - a man with whom I don't have much sympathy usually - 'all political careers end in failure.'
Can't do what? Make the odd witty comment at PMQs that the small percentage who really pay attention to politics might appreciate? Devise policies that will never be implemented? Watch helplessly as an overwhelming majority means that the government can do whatever it likes however irrational or self harming and all your work and smart comments are to no avail?
Worrying about who the next Tory leader is shows that you haven't come to terms with what happened last month. They are irrelevant and will be for 10 years now. That is the price of complete failure.
Nonsense. Snap out of it man, and grow up.
You're facing a socialist government, and it's time to rally around and challenge it.
Good grief Casino, how old are you?
This is nothing like a socialist government. The only time this country has got close to a socialist government was 1945-1950 and even that was fairly mild.
Starmer's is likely to be very much like Blair2, possibly a bit better, possibly not. But in any event, it will be a shedload better than the mismanagement we have had for the past 14 years.
At the moment Starmer's government is far more like Brown2 than Blair2
Starmer is a disaster.
So was sunak , johnson, truss, cameron
To quote Enoch Powell - a man with whom I don't have much sympathy usually - 'all political careers end in failure.'
Well the quote is wrong...it should for most of our politicians of all colours be "All political careers start with failure then go down hill from there"
Someone riding a cycle without working lights on the pavement of Villette Road, Sunderland, at 2:30am on a weekday morning, went past police responding to an incident. He was stopped and they had words. They then let him go on his way after helping him back onto his cycle (says his solicitor).
Charges were laid 2 1/2 weeks later, and he was brought to Magistrates Court.
He was charged with causing common danger by riding a pedal cycle in the hours of darkness with no illumination, contrary to the 1835 Highway Act. He was also taken to task under the same act for riding a pedal cycle on a footpath set aside for pedestrians on Tuesday, April 30. His third and final offence – using a pedal cycle without front and rear lights on a road at night – was prosecuted under the 1988 Road Traffic Offenders Act.
He pled guilty to all three offences, and was given a condition discharge and no fine.
On this one, I'm thinking WTF, how is this in the Public Interest, and what did such a prosecution cost?
Can't do what? Make the odd witty comment at PMQs that the small percentage who really pay attention to politics might appreciate? Devise policies that will never be implemented? Watch helplessly as an overwhelming majority means that the government can do whatever it likes however irrational or self harming and all your work and smart comments are to no avail?
Worrying about who the next Tory leader is shows that you haven't come to terms with what happened last month. They are irrelevant and will be for 10 years now. That is the price of complete failure.
Nonsense. Snap out of it man, and grow up.
You're facing a socialist government, and it's time to rally around and challenge it.
He is correct the tories are now irrelevant, I think labour are also heading that way
I don't think they are irrelevant.
This is a self-fulfilling prophecy: if you believe in personal responsibility, freedom, family, community, nation and a bold future - you have to fight for it. Or you lose it by default.
Wek none of that describes the conservatives of the last decade....;they stand for none of that they stand for what they can grift
Nonsense.
Personal Responsibility - ministers repeatedly failing to resign / abide by ministerial code Freedom - numerous laws restricting right to protest Family - Johnson, Hancock, 2 child cap Community - austerity resulting in closure of libraries and other community facilities Nation - ? What does that mean? UK global influence considerably reduced by Brexit Bold future - lol! Low levels of investment, withdrawal from multi-national science projects
Grift - PPE fraud, Johnson personal loans, party donations from dodgy oligarchs etc
Can't do what? Make the odd witty comment at PMQs that the small percentage who really pay attention to politics might appreciate? Devise policies that will never be implemented? Watch helplessly as an overwhelming majority means that the government can do whatever it likes however irrational or self harming and all your work and smart comments are to no avail?
Worrying about who the next Tory leader is shows that you haven't come to terms with what happened last month. They are irrelevant and will be for 10 years now. That is the price of complete failure.
Nonsense. Snap out of it man, and grow up.
You're facing a socialist government, and it's time to rally around and challenge it.
Good grief Casino, how old are you?
This is nothing like a socialist government. The only time this country has got close to a socialist government was 1945-1950 and even that was fairly mild.
Starmer's is likely to be very much like Blair2, possibly a bit better, possibly not. But in any event, it will be a shedload better than the mismanagement we have had for the past 14 years.
At the moment Starmer's government is far more like Brown2 than Blair2
Starmer is a disaster.
That comment may become true, but to state it as fact five weeks after the election is just ridiculous.
Can't do what? Make the odd witty comment at PMQs that the small percentage who really pay attention to politics might appreciate? Devise policies that will never be implemented? Watch helplessly as an overwhelming majority means that the government can do whatever it likes however irrational or self harming and all your work and smart comments are to no avail?
Worrying about who the next Tory leader is shows that you haven't come to terms with what happened last month. They are irrelevant and will be for 10 years now. That is the price of complete failure.
Nonsense. Snap out of it man, and grow up.
You're facing a socialist government, and it's time to rally around and challenge it.
He is correct the tories are now irrelevant, I think labour are also heading that way
I don't think they are irrelevant.
This is a self-fulfilling prophecy: if you believe in personal responsibility, freedom, family, community, nation and a bold future - you have to fight for it. Or you lose it by default.
Wek none of that describes the conservatives of the last decade....;they stand for none of that they stand for what they can grift
Nonsense.
Michelle Mone and far too many others say that it really isn't nonsense and unless you Tories get off your high horses you could be third, or even fourth next time out.
Can't do what? Make the odd witty comment at PMQs that the small percentage who really pay attention to politics might appreciate? Devise policies that will never be implemented? Watch helplessly as an overwhelming majority means that the government can do whatever it likes however irrational or self harming and all your work and smart comments are to no avail?
Worrying about who the next Tory leader is shows that you haven't come to terms with what happened last month. They are irrelevant and will be for 10 years now. That is the price of complete failure.
Nonsense. Snap out of it man, and grow up.
You're facing a socialist government, and it's time to rally around and challenge it.
He is correct the tories are now irrelevant, I think labour are also heading that way
I don't think they are irrelevant.
This is a self-fulfilling prophecy: if you believe in personal responsibility, freedom, family, community, nation and a bold future - you have to fight for it. Or you lose it by default.
Wek none of that describes the conservatives of the last decade....;they stand for none of that they stand for what they can grift
Nonsense.
Personal Responsibility - ministers repeatedly failing to resign / abide by ministerial code Freedom - numerous laws restricting right to protest Family - Johnson, Hancock, 2 child cap Community - austerity resulting in closure of libraries and other community facilities Nation - ? What does that mean? UK global influence considerably reduced by Brexit Bold future - lol! Low levels of investment, withdrawal from multi-national science projects
Grift - PPE fraud, Johnson personal loans, party donations from dodgy oligarchs etc
Nation actually is the one thing you are wrong on. Most standards for things are achieved above the eu levels. The iso standards. Now we have brexited instead of the eu speaking for the uk we are back at the table.
My grandmother loved two politicians in her entire life. FDR and RFK.
I wish I could see her reaction to RFK's son and namesake--and let's be honest, the most authentic to his dad's legacy--endorsing the people's president, Donald J. Trump.
Trump on RFK in April: "Totally Anti-Gun, an Extreme Environmentalist who makes the Green New Scammers look Conservative, a Big Time Taxer and Open Border Advocate, and Anti-Military/Vet…I'd even take Biden over Junior."
Can't do what? Make the odd witty comment at PMQs that the small percentage who really pay attention to politics might appreciate? Devise policies that will never be implemented? Watch helplessly as an overwhelming majority means that the government can do whatever it likes however irrational or self harming and all your work and smart comments are to no avail?
Worrying about who the next Tory leader is shows that you haven't come to terms with what happened last month. They are irrelevant and will be for 10 years now. That is the price of complete failure.
Nonsense. Snap out of it man, and grow up.
You're facing a socialist government, and it's time to rally around and challenge it.
Good grief Casino, how old are you?
This is nothing like a socialist government. The only time this country has got close to a socialist government was 1945-1950 and even that was fairly mild.
Starmer's is likely to be very much like Blair2, possibly a bit better, possibly not. But in any event, it will be a shedload better than the mismanagement we have had for the past 14 years.
At the moment Starmer's government is far more like Brown2 than Blair2
Starmer is a disaster.
That comment may become true, but to state it as fact five weeks after the election is just ridiculous.
Try saying that to a little old lady who's going to freeze this winter...
My grandmother loved two politicians in her entire life. FDR and RFK.
I wish I could see her reaction to RFK's son and namesake--and let's be honest, the most authentic to his dad's legacy--endorsing the people's president, Donald J. Trump.
Trump on RFK in April: "Totally Anti-Gun, an Extreme Environmentalist who makes the Green New Scammers look Conservative, a Big Time Taxer and Open Border Advocate, and Anti-Military/Vet…I'd even take Biden over Junior."
Can't do what? Make the odd witty comment at PMQs that the small percentage who really pay attention to politics might appreciate? Devise policies that will never be implemented? Watch helplessly as an overwhelming majority means that the government can do whatever it likes however irrational or self harming and all your work and smart comments are to no avail?
Worrying about who the next Tory leader is shows that you haven't come to terms with what happened last month. They are irrelevant and will be for 10 years now. That is the price of complete failure.
Nonsense. Snap out of it man, and grow up.
You're facing a socialist government, and it's time to rally around and challenge it.
He is correct the tories are now irrelevant, I think labour are also heading that way
I don't think they are irrelevant.
This is a self-fulfilling prophecy: if you believe in personal responsibility, freedom, family, community, nation and a bold future - you have to fight for it. Or you lose it by default.
Wek none of that describes the conservatives of the last decade....;they stand for none of that they stand for what they can grift
Nonsense.
Personal Responsibility - ministers repeatedly failing to resign / abide by ministerial code Freedom - numerous laws restricting right to protest Family - Johnson, Hancock, 2 child cap Community - austerity resulting in closure of libraries and other community facilities Nation - ? What does that mean? UK global influence considerably reduced by Brexit Bold future - lol! Low levels of investment, withdrawal from multi-national science projects
Grift - PPE fraud, Johnson personal loans, party donations from dodgy oligarchs etc
Can't do what? Make the odd witty comment at PMQs that the small percentage who really pay attention to politics might appreciate? Devise policies that will never be implemented? Watch helplessly as an overwhelming majority means that the government can do whatever it likes however irrational or self harming and all your work and smart comments are to no avail?
Worrying about who the next Tory leader is shows that you haven't come to terms with what happened last month. They are irrelevant and will be for 10 years now. That is the price of complete failure.
Nonsense. Snap out of it man, and grow up.
You're facing a socialist government, and it's time to rally around and challenge it.
Good grief Casino, how old are you?
This is nothing like a socialist government. The only time this country has got close to a socialist government was 1945-1950 and even that was fairly mild.
Starmer's is likely to be very much like Blair2, possibly a bit better, possibly not. But in any event, it will be a shedload better than the mismanagement we have had for the past 14 years.
At the moment Starmer's government is far more like Brown2 than Blair2
Can't do what? Make the odd witty comment at PMQs that the small percentage who really pay attention to politics might appreciate? Devise policies that will never be implemented? Watch helplessly as an overwhelming majority means that the government can do whatever it likes however irrational or self harming and all your work and smart comments are to no avail?
Worrying about who the next Tory leader is shows that you haven't come to terms with what happened last month. They are irrelevant and will be for 10 years now. That is the price of complete failure.
Nonsense. Snap out of it man, and grow up.
You're facing a socialist government, and it's time to rally around and challenge it.
He is correct the tories are now irrelevant, I think labour are also heading that way
I don't think they are irrelevant.
This is a self-fulfilling prophecy: if you believe in personal responsibility, freedom, family, community, nation and a bold future - you have to fight for it. Or you lose it by default.
Wek none of that describes the conservatives of the last decade....;they stand for none of that they stand for what they can grift
Nonsense.
You call it nonsense the electorate looked at what the idiots did and told you to fuck right off....of course you will argue that the electorate is too stupid to vote for you just like the left....your party was a party of grift and supported absolutely none of those values
Err, no. We lost the election.
What I don't accept is that we're not allowed to "fight" the new Government for 10 years until we're suitably chastened and have done a decent spell in the clink.
Everyone is now waking up to the reality of what a Labour government actually means, and plenty aren't going to like it. The fightback has already begun, and rightly so.
Can't do what? Make the odd witty comment at PMQs that the small percentage who really pay attention to politics might appreciate? Devise policies that will never be implemented? Watch helplessly as an overwhelming majority means that the government can do whatever it likes however irrational or self harming and all your work and smart comments are to no avail?
Worrying about who the next Tory leader is shows that you haven't come to terms with what happened last month. They are irrelevant and will be for 10 years now. That is the price of complete failure.
Nonsense. Snap out of it man, and grow up.
You're facing a socialist government, and it's time to rally around and challenge it.
Good grief Casino, how old are you?
This is nothing like a socialist government. The only time this country has got close to a socialist government was 1945-1950 and even that was fairly mild.
Starmer's is likely to be very much like Blair2, possibly a bit better, possibly not. But in any event, it will be a shedload better than the mismanagement we have had for the past 14 years.
Err, it's a socialist government. Its priorities in the first six weeks alone are clear.
It's had one of the worst starts of any new government in history, and, no, it has me pining for Sunak again. The mismanagement of this one, already, is utterly appalling.
Really. You don't know what you've lost till it's gone.
I'm not sure what planet you have to be living on to think Starmer's government is worse than the disgusting, crooked, nation-ruining disaster that was Conservative misrule.
Can't do what? Make the odd witty comment at PMQs that the small percentage who really pay attention to politics might appreciate? Devise policies that will never be implemented? Watch helplessly as an overwhelming majority means that the government can do whatever it likes however irrational or self harming and all your work and smart comments are to no avail?
Worrying about who the next Tory leader is shows that you haven't come to terms with what happened last month. They are irrelevant and will be for 10 years now. That is the price of complete failure.
Nonsense. Snap out of it man, and grow up.
You're facing a socialist government, and it's time to rally around and challenge it.
He is correct the tories are now irrelevant, I think labour are also heading that way
I don't think they are irrelevant.
This is a self-fulfilling prophecy: if you believe in personal responsibility, freedom, family, community, nation and a bold future - you have to fight for it. Or you lose it by default.
Wek none of that describes the conservatives of the last decade....;they stand for none of that they stand for what they can grift
Nonsense.
Michelle Mone and far too many others say that it really isn't nonsense and unless you Tories get off your high horses you could be third, or even fourth next time out.
"Michelle Mone". Fucking pathetic.
Like me talking about Stephen Byers, Bernie Ecclestone or Jack Dromey.
Stick to talking about Russia. Where you actually have something to add.
Can't do what? Make the odd witty comment at PMQs that the small percentage who really pay attention to politics might appreciate? Devise policies that will never be implemented? Watch helplessly as an overwhelming majority means that the government can do whatever it likes however irrational or self harming and all your work and smart comments are to no avail?
Worrying about who the next Tory leader is shows that you haven't come to terms with what happened last month. They are irrelevant and will be for 10 years now. That is the price of complete failure.
Nonsense. Snap out of it man, and grow up.
You're facing a socialist government, and it's time to rally around and challenge it.
Good grief Casino, how old are you?
This is nothing like a socialist government. The only time this country has got close to a socialist government was 1945-1950 and even that was fairly mild.
Starmer's is likely to be very much like Blair2, possibly a bit better, possibly not. But in any event, it will be a shedload better than the mismanagement we have had for the past 14 years.
At the moment Starmer's government is far more like Brown2 than Blair2
Starmer is a disaster.
That comment may become true, but to state it as fact five weeks after the election is just ridiculous.
There's plenty of evidence already that he's an absolute disaster.
Can't do what? Make the odd witty comment at PMQs that the small percentage who really pay attention to politics might appreciate? Devise policies that will never be implemented? Watch helplessly as an overwhelming majority means that the government can do whatever it likes however irrational or self harming and all your work and smart comments are to no avail?
Worrying about who the next Tory leader is shows that you haven't come to terms with what happened last month. They are irrelevant and will be for 10 years now. That is the price of complete failure.
Nonsense. Snap out of it man, and grow up.
You're facing a socialist government, and it's time to rally around and challenge it.
Good grief Casino, how old are you?
This is nothing like a socialist government. The only time this country has got close to a socialist government was 1945-1950 and even that was fairly mild.
Starmer's is likely to be very much like Blair2, possibly a bit better, possibly not. But in any event, it will be a shedload better than the mismanagement we have had for the past 14 years.
At the moment Starmer's government is far more like Brown2 than Blair2
Starmer is a disaster.
Labour 411 seats Tories 121 seats
Doubt the numbers would have been anything like that if Starmer and Reeves had been honest about what they intended to do with WFA...
Can't do what? Make the odd witty comment at PMQs that the small percentage who really pay attention to politics might appreciate? Devise policies that will never be implemented? Watch helplessly as an overwhelming majority means that the government can do whatever it likes however irrational or self harming and all your work and smart comments are to no avail?
Worrying about who the next Tory leader is shows that you haven't come to terms with what happened last month. They are irrelevant and will be for 10 years now. That is the price of complete failure.
Nonsense. Snap out of it man, and grow up.
You're facing a socialist government, and it's time to rally around and challenge it.
He is correct the tories are now irrelevant, I think labour are also heading that way
I don't think they are irrelevant.
This is a self-fulfilling prophecy: if you believe in personal responsibility, freedom, family, community, nation and a bold future - you have to fight for it. Or you lose it by default.
Wek none of that describes the conservatives of the last decade....;they stand for none of that they stand for what they can grift
Nonsense.
Personal Responsibility - ministers repeatedly failing to resign / abide by ministerial code Freedom - numerous laws restricting right to protest Family - Johnson, Hancock, 2 child cap Community - austerity resulting in closure of libraries and other community facilities Nation - ? What does that mean? UK global influence considerably reduced by Brexit Bold future - lol! Low levels of investment, withdrawal from multi-national science projects
Grift - PPE fraud, Johnson personal loans, party donations from dodgy oligarchs etc
Can't do what? Make the odd witty comment at PMQs that the small percentage who really pay attention to politics might appreciate? Devise policies that will never be implemented? Watch helplessly as an overwhelming majority means that the government can do whatever it likes however irrational or self harming and all your work and smart comments are to no avail?
Worrying about who the next Tory leader is shows that you haven't come to terms with what happened last month. They are irrelevant and will be for 10 years now. That is the price of complete failure.
Nonsense. Snap out of it man, and grow up.
You're facing a socialist government, and it's time to rally around and challenge it.
Good grief Casino, how old are you?
This is nothing like a socialist government. The only time this country has got close to a socialist government was 1945-1950 and even that was fairly mild.
Starmer's is likely to be very much like Blair2, possibly a bit better, possibly not. But in any event, it will be a shedload better than the mismanagement we have had for the past 14 years.
At the moment Starmer's government is far more like Brown2 than Blair2
Can't do what? Make the odd witty comment at PMQs that the small percentage who really pay attention to politics might appreciate? Devise policies that will never be implemented? Watch helplessly as an overwhelming majority means that the government can do whatever it likes however irrational or self harming and all your work and smart comments are to no avail?
Worrying about who the next Tory leader is shows that you haven't come to terms with what happened last month. They are irrelevant and will be for 10 years now. That is the price of complete failure.
Nonsense. Snap out of it man, and grow up.
You're facing a socialist government, and it's time to rally around and challenge it.
Good grief Casino, how old are you?
This is nothing like a socialist government. The only time this country has got close to a socialist government was 1945-1950 and even that was fairly mild.
Starmer's is likely to be very much like Blair2, possibly a bit better, possibly not. But in any event, it will be a shedload better than the mismanagement we have had for the past 14 years.
Err, it's a socialist government. Its priorities in the first six weeks alone are clear.
It's had one of the worst starts of any new government in history, and, no, it has me pining for Sunak again. The mismanagement of this one, already, is utterly appalling.
Really. You don't know what you've lost till it's gone.
I'm not sure what planet you have to be living on to think Starmer's government is worse than the disgusting, crooked, nation-ruining disaster that was Conservative misrule.
Earth.
And, er, no.
The previous Conservative Government was far better than this shitshow.
Can't do what? Make the odd witty comment at PMQs that the small percentage who really pay attention to politics might appreciate? Devise policies that will never be implemented? Watch helplessly as an overwhelming majority means that the government can do whatever it likes however irrational or self harming and all your work and smart comments are to no avail?
Worrying about who the next Tory leader is shows that you haven't come to terms with what happened last month. They are irrelevant and will be for 10 years now. That is the price of complete failure.
Nonsense. Snap out of it man, and grow up.
You're facing a socialist government, and it's time to rally around and challenge it.
Good grief Casino, how old are you?
This is nothing like a socialist government. The only time this country has got close to a socialist government was 1945-1950 and even that was fairly mild.
Starmer's is likely to be very much like Blair2, possibly a bit better, possibly not. But in any event, it will be a shedload better than the mismanagement we have had for the past 14 years.
At the moment Starmer's government is far more like Brown2 than Blair2
Can't do what? Make the odd witty comment at PMQs that the small percentage who really pay attention to politics might appreciate? Devise policies that will never be implemented? Watch helplessly as an overwhelming majority means that the government can do whatever it likes however irrational or self harming and all your work and smart comments are to no avail?
Worrying about who the next Tory leader is shows that you haven't come to terms with what happened last month. They are irrelevant and will be for 10 years now. That is the price of complete failure.
Nonsense. Snap out of it man, and grow up.
You're facing a socialist government, and it's time to rally around and challenge it.
Good grief Casino, how old are you?
This is nothing like a socialist government. The only time this country has got close to a socialist government was 1945-1950 and even that was fairly mild.
Starmer's is likely to be very much like Blair2, possibly a bit better, possibly not. But in any event, it will be a shedload better than the mismanagement we have had for the past 14 years.
At the moment Starmer's government is far more like Brown2 than Blair2
Starmer is a disaster.
Labour 411 seats Tories 121 seats
Doubt the numbers would have been anything like that if Starmer and Reeves had been honest about what they intended to do with WFA...
Given pensioners overwhelmingly voted Tory anyway I think it most unlikely it would have made any difference at all.
Can't do what? Make the odd witty comment at PMQs that the small percentage who really pay attention to politics might appreciate? Devise policies that will never be implemented? Watch helplessly as an overwhelming majority means that the government can do whatever it likes however irrational or self harming and all your work and smart comments are to no avail?
Worrying about who the next Tory leader is shows that you haven't come to terms with what happened last month. They are irrelevant and will be for 10 years now. That is the price of complete failure.
Nonsense. Snap out of it man, and grow up.
You're facing a socialist government, and it's time to rally around and challenge it.
Good grief Casino, how old are you?
This is nothing like a socialist government. The only time this country has got close to a socialist government was 1945-1950 and even that was fairly mild.
Starmer's is likely to be very much like Blair2, possibly a bit better, possibly not. But in any event, it will be a shedload better than the mismanagement we have had for the past 14 years.
At the moment Starmer's government is far more like Brown2 than Blair2
Starmer is a disaster.
So was sunak , johnson, truss, cameron
To quote Enoch Powell - a man with whom I don't have much sympathy usually - 'all political careers end in failure.'
Well the quote is wrong...it should for most of our politicians of all colours be "All political careers start with failure then go down hill from there"
Wrong, Attlee and Thatcher completely changed the economic system of the nation in a more socialist or capitalist direction. Heath took us into the EEC, Johnson took us out of the EU, Blair introduced a minimum wage and devolution for NI, Scotland and Wales, Churchill saved us from the Nazis, Macmillan built lots of houses, even Major introduced council tax and started the NI peace process Blair completed and same sex marriage came under Cameron and Clegg. All made huge changes to this country and indeed in some cases like Churchill in WW2 and Thatcher, in her role ending the Cold War and Attlee giving India independence, to the wider world too.
Even backbenchers can sometimes make a difference eg Steel's abortion act
Can't do what? Make the odd witty comment at PMQs that the small percentage who really pay attention to politics might appreciate? Devise policies that will never be implemented? Watch helplessly as an overwhelming majority means that the government can do whatever it likes however irrational or self harming and all your work and smart comments are to no avail?
Worrying about who the next Tory leader is shows that you haven't come to terms with what happened last month. They are irrelevant and will be for 10 years now. That is the price of complete failure.
Nonsense. Snap out of it man, and grow up.
You're facing a socialist government, and it's time to rally around and challenge it.
Good grief Casino, how old are you?
This is nothing like a socialist government. The only time this country has got close to a socialist government was 1945-1950 and even that was fairly mild.
Starmer's is likely to be very much like Blair2, possibly a bit better, possibly not. But in any event, it will be a shedload better than the mismanagement we have had for the past 14 years.
At the moment Starmer's government is far more like Brown2 than Blair2
Are you going to post that in response to any criticism of Starmer for the next 5 years?
Grow up.
No, you grow up, Tory Boy!
Ah, so you can't grow up.
Got it.
As soon as Starmer's government does something that personally hits you you'll instantly pivot to a new 'meme' that amuses you, without even a blink, so at least we all have that to look forward to.
Can't do what? Make the odd witty comment at PMQs that the small percentage who really pay attention to politics might appreciate? Devise policies that will never be implemented? Watch helplessly as an overwhelming majority means that the government can do whatever it likes however irrational or self harming and all your work and smart comments are to no avail?
Worrying about who the next Tory leader is shows that you haven't come to terms with what happened last month. They are irrelevant and will be for 10 years now. That is the price of complete failure.
Nonsense. Snap out of it man, and grow up.
You're facing a socialist government, and it's time to rally around and challenge it.
Good grief Casino, how old are you?
This is nothing like a socialist government. The only time this country has got close to a socialist government was 1945-1950 and even that was fairly mild.
Starmer's is likely to be very much like Blair2, possibly a bit better, possibly not. But in any event, it will be a shedload better than the mismanagement we have had for the past 14 years.
At the moment Starmer's government is far more like Brown2 than Blair2
Starmer is a disaster.
Labour 411 seats Tories 121 seats
Doubt the numbers would have been anything like that if Starmer and Reeves had been honest about what they intended to do with WFA...
Given pensioners overwhelmingly voted Tory anyway I think it most unlikely it would have made any difference at all.
A lot would have voted REF and some would have stayed at home. If they'd known that one of the first acts of the Labour government would be to take their WFA off them, how many of that cohort of pensioners would have stuck with Rishi?
Can't do what? Make the odd witty comment at PMQs that the small percentage who really pay attention to politics might appreciate? Devise policies that will never be implemented? Watch helplessly as an overwhelming majority means that the government can do whatever it likes however irrational or self harming and all your work and smart comments are to no avail?
Worrying about who the next Tory leader is shows that you haven't come to terms with what happened last month. They are irrelevant and will be for 10 years now. That is the price of complete failure.
Nonsense. Snap out of it man, and grow up.
You're facing a socialist government, and it's time to rally around and challenge it.
He is correct the tories are now irrelevant, I think labour are also heading that way
I don't think they are irrelevant.
This is a self-fulfilling prophecy: if you believe in personal responsibility, freedom, family, community, nation and a bold future - you have to fight for it. Or you lose it by default.
Wek none of that describes the conservatives of the last decade....;they stand for none of that they stand for what they can grift
Nonsense.
You call it nonsense the electorate looked at what the idiots did and told you to fuck right off....of course you will argue that the electorate is too stupid to vote for you just like the left....your party was a party of grift and supported absolutely none of those values
Err, no. We lost the election.
What I don't accept is that we're not allowed to "fight" the new Government for 10 years until we're suitably chastened and have done a decent spell in the clink.
Can't do what? Make the odd witty comment at PMQs that the small percentage who really pay attention to politics might appreciate? Devise policies that will never be implemented? Watch helplessly as an overwhelming majority means that the government can do whatever it likes however irrational or self harming and all your work and smart comments are to no avail?
Worrying about who the next Tory leader is shows that you haven't come to terms with what happened last month. They are irrelevant and will be for 10 years now. That is the price of complete failure.
Nonsense. Snap out of it man, and grow up.
You're facing a socialist government, and it's time to rally around and challenge it.
Good grief Casino, how old are you?
This is nothing like a socialist government. The only time this country has got close to a socialist government was 1945-1950 and even that was fairly mild.
Starmer's is likely to be very much like Blair2, possibly a bit better, possibly not. But in any event, it will be a shedload better than the mismanagement we have had for the past 14 years.
At the moment Starmer's government is far more like Brown2 than Blair2
Starmer is a disaster.
That comment may become true, but to state it as fact five weeks after the election is just ridiculous.
There's plenty of evidence already that he's an absolute disaster.
Wait until they do over the pensions in the Autumn Budget...
And that will bite hard on not just current pensioners.
Another thing: why are we all supposed to treat Emily Maitlis as some sort of hero just because she interviewed Prince Andrew several years ago and he made an utter fool of himself?
With all the news articles, Netflix and Amazon dramas you'd think she'd unearthed Watergate, written Wild Swans or won the Victoria Cross with a remarkable display of valour, but she just interviewed Prince Andrew.
Clearly, there's some sort of market for this, but it's one that bores most people silly. Didn't even see the original interview.
Can't do what? Make the odd witty comment at PMQs that the small percentage who really pay attention to politics might appreciate? Devise policies that will never be implemented? Watch helplessly as an overwhelming majority means that the government can do whatever it likes however irrational or self harming and all your work and smart comments are to no avail?
Worrying about who the next Tory leader is shows that you haven't come to terms with what happened last month. They are irrelevant and will be for 10 years now. That is the price of complete failure.
Nonsense. Snap out of it man, and grow up.
You're facing a socialist government, and it's time to rally around and challenge it.
Good grief Casino, how old are you?
This is nothing like a socialist government. The only time this country has got close to a socialist government was 1945-1950 and even that was fairly mild.
Starmer's is likely to be very much like Blair2, possibly a bit better, possibly not. But in any event, it will be a shedload better than the mismanagement we have had for the past 14 years.
At the moment Starmer's government is far more like Brown2 than Blair2
Starmer is a disaster.
That comment may become true, but to state it as fact five weeks after the election is just ridiculous.
There's plenty of evidence already that he's an absolute disaster.
Wait until they do over the pensions in the Autumn Budget...
And that will bite hard on not just current pensioners.
When they repeatedly said they specifically won't raise the rate of income tax, NI or VAT it was clear to anyone who can actually listen that they were going to increase other taxes. Some reform is long overdue in pensions, lets see what they do.
Personally I find it ludicrous that the government foregoes tax to allow people to build up multi million pound retirement pots, plus £20k per year ISAs. Subsidising savings up to around 500k per person makes a lot of sense, but beyond that it is just giving back tax to the wealthy and hiding that we are doing it by making the system very complex.
Can't do what? Make the odd witty comment at PMQs that the small percentage who really pay attention to politics might appreciate? Devise policies that will never be implemented? Watch helplessly as an overwhelming majority means that the government can do whatever it likes however irrational or self harming and all your work and smart comments are to no avail?
Worrying about who the next Tory leader is shows that you haven't come to terms with what happened last month. They are irrelevant and will be for 10 years now. That is the price of complete failure.
Nonsense. Snap out of it man, and grow up.
You're facing a socialist government, and it's time to rally around and challenge it.
Good grief Casino, how old are you?
This is nothing like a socialist government. The only time this country has got close to a socialist government was 1945-1950 and even that was fairly mild.
Starmer's is likely to be very much like Blair2, possibly a bit better, possibly not. But in any event, it will be a shedload better than the mismanagement we have had for the past 14 years.
At the moment Starmer's government is far more like Brown2 than Blair2
Starmer is a disaster.
That comment may become true, but to state it as fact five weeks after the election is just ridiculous.
There's plenty of evidence already that he's an absolute disaster.
Wait until they do over the pensions in the Autumn Budget...
And that will bite hard on not just current pensioners.
Clearly, there are several emotional stages of acceptance that a lot of regulars on here need to work through before they arrive at the logical, rational conclusion of what an absolute disaster this government is going to be.
Can't do what? Make the odd witty comment at PMQs that the small percentage who really pay attention to politics might appreciate? Devise policies that will never be implemented? Watch helplessly as an overwhelming majority means that the government can do whatever it likes however irrational or self harming and all your work and smart comments are to no avail?
Worrying about who the next Tory leader is shows that you haven't come to terms with what happened last month. They are irrelevant and will be for 10 years now. That is the price of complete failure.
Nonsense. Snap out of it man, and grow up.
You're facing a socialist government, and it's time to rally around and challenge it.
He is correct the tories are now irrelevant, I think labour are also heading that way
I don't think they are irrelevant.
This is a self-fulfilling prophecy: if you believe in personal responsibility, freedom, family, community, nation and a bold future - you have to fight for it. Or you lose it by default.
Wek none of that describes the conservatives of the last decade....;they stand for none of that they stand for what they can grift
Nonsense.
You call it nonsense the electorate looked at what the idiots did and told you to fuck right off....of course you will argue that the electorate is too stupid to vote for you just like the left....your party was a party of grift and supported absolutely none of those values
Err, no. We lost the election.
What I don't accept is that we're not allowed to "fight" the new Government for 10 years until we're suitably chastened and have done a decent spell in the clink.
"Visit Rwanda!"
You mean the policy the new government has abolished which has led to a further spike in cross-channel crossings, and Starmer described as a "friend" of prospective migrants?
Can't do what? Make the odd witty comment at PMQs that the small percentage who really pay attention to politics might appreciate? Devise policies that will never be implemented? Watch helplessly as an overwhelming majority means that the government can do whatever it likes however irrational or self harming and all your work and smart comments are to no avail?
Worrying about who the next Tory leader is shows that you haven't come to terms with what happened last month. They are irrelevant and will be for 10 years now. That is the price of complete failure.
Nonsense. Snap out of it man, and grow up.
You're facing a socialist government, and it's time to rally around and challenge it.
Good grief Casino, how old are you?
This is nothing like a socialist government. The only time this country has got close to a socialist government was 1945-1950 and even that was fairly mild.
Starmer's is likely to be very much like Blair2, possibly a bit better, possibly not. But in any event, it will be a shedload better than the mismanagement we have had for the past 14 years.
At the moment Starmer's government is far more like Brown2 than Blair2
Starmer is a disaster.
That comment may become true, but to state it as fact five weeks after the election is just ridiculous.
There's plenty of evidence already that he's an absolute disaster.
Wait until they do over the pensions in the Autumn Budget...
And that will bite hard on not just current pensioners.
Future pensioners are being taken to the cleaners but they just can't get enough of it.
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Very good test match. Well played Sri Lanka. Very well played young Smith. Bit worried about England's bowling going forward.
Oliver Johnson
@BristOliver
Call me grumpy, but I feel you can only justify civil servants spending more than thirty seconds on this [Larry the Cat] nonsense if the country is doing so well in every other respect that they've got literally nothing better to do, and I'm unconvinced that's the case.
https://thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/larry-cat-downing-street-operation-bridges-vst0bqtgx
https://x.com/BristOliver/status/1827249278747566383
I am headed to the poorhouse on this one it seems as I am red, red, red on Jenrick.
He'll last two years.
Edit: In fact - thinking about it - won't Johnson be angling for the MP who is least likely to make it to GE 2028/9? As he habours thoughts of his restoration as the King Over the Water? What better than some smuck does the hard yards for two or three years of oppo shite and then our hero breezes in on a by-election for the next GE 2028 showdown?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=g0TdQwyd08A
Some MPs told me last week that they believe Carrie Johnson’s informal lobbying on behalf of Jenrick may even be part of a more concerted ‘Block Badenoch’ operation.
Tom Tugendhat is keeping an even greater distance. During the 2022 leadership election, those vying to succeed Johnson were asked whether they believed the outgoing PM was honest. Badenoch, Sunak, Truss and Penny Mordaunt prevaricated. Tugendhat simply shook his head and said ‘No’.
Asked about Johnson last week, Tugendhat replied: ‘Look, he is an amazing communicator... I don’t know what he wants to do in the future but I’m sure he’s going to make his voice heard.’
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-13776103/DAN-HODGES-Boris-Johnson-power-determine-Tories-fate.html
That article in The Times has this revelation, I am outraged.
Planning for the death of Queen Elizabeth II was known as Operation London Bridge, while King Charles’s is referred to as Operation Menai Bridge, after a crossing in Wales.
Surely it should be Operation Wooden Spoon or Operation England won the world cup in 2003.
1) what is the purpose of UBI
2) What level do you think UBI should be at
3) who should get UBI...just adults? children as well
With Priti looking to be eliminated early he likely backs Jenrick and would probably endorse at the last 2 stage as Thatcher endorsed Major over Heseltine in 1990, Hague over Clarke in 1997 and IDS over Clarke in 2001. For Boris as with Maggie then it is personal, the plotters who removed them must be defeated at all costs
As an aside, given 25% of the Conservative 2019 vote decamped to Reform in July, I can see why, with a possible 10-11% of the total electorate up for grabs, any future Conservative leader would make an approach to Reform voters.
The problem is while Johnson's "blessing" may be vital for any future Conservative leader, it's a double edged sword given the depth of Johnson's unpopularity in the wider electorate.
I suspect a party seen to be a vehicle for Boris Johnson won't prosper.
She's great at fighting the culture wars, lucidly, but that does not a great LOTO make.
The main issue is that it's largely only the hard-core and most partisan left.
Then the King’s death would trigger Operation Prince of Wales Bridge.
You're facing a socialist government, and it's time to rally around and challenge it.
The only big USP for Priti was imho 'Vote Priti get Boris back'.
Reform voters Tories need to win back certainly largely still like Boris
*Rhyming slang. Tristram Hunt.
This is a self-fulfilling prophecy: if you believe in personal responsibility, freedom, family, community, nation and a bold future - you have to fight for it. Or you lose it by default.
What odds Boris is LOTO by Election 29?
What is "Causing Common Danger" under the 1835 Highways Act? And what elements does this require to be proven? I can't even find a reference.
This is the case: https://www.sunderlandecho.com/news/crime/sunderland-cyclist-punished-in-court-using-200-year-old-law-4747188
Someone riding a cycle without working lights on the pavement of Villette Road, Sunderland, at 2:30am on a weekday morning, went past police responding to an incident. He was stopped and they had words. They then let him go on his way after helping him back onto his cycle (says his solicitor).
Charges were laid 2 1/2 weeks later, and he was brought to Magistrates Court.
He was charged with causing common danger by riding a pedal cycle in the hours of darkness with no illumination, contrary to the 1835 Highway Act.
He was also taken to task under the same act for riding a pedal cycle on a footpath set aside for pedestrians on Tuesday, April 30.
His third and final offence – using a pedal cycle without front and rear lights on a road at night – was prosecuted under the 1988 Road Traffic Offenders Act.
He pled guilty to all three offences, and was given a condition discharge and no fine.
On this one, I'm thinking WTF, how is this in the Public Interest, and what did such a prosecution cost?
Villette Road, Sunderland:
https://www.google.com/maps/@54.895231,-1.371876,3a,75y,243.59h,81.49t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sLaG2vEyd6w28_peyrTI6UA!2e0!5s20240501T000000!7i16384!8i8192?coh=205409&entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI0MDgyMS4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw==
springs to mind https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lO6uCX0CTTQ
This is nothing like a socialist government. The only time this country has got close to a socialist government was 1945-1950 and even that was fairly mild.
Starmer's is likely to be very much like Blair2, possibly a bit better, possibly not. But in any event, it will be a shedload better than the mismanagement we have had for the past 14 years.
SpaceX will return stranded astronauts next year
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwy47w9yndpo
He was rightly prosecuted
8 months is arguably pushing the definition of a little longer further than it can reasonably be expected to go. Hopefully they’ll send up a few more changes of clothes and find somewhere for Butch to sleep other than the laboratory.
I disagree that this is embarrassment for Boeing. Utter humiliation would be a better term, I’d say.
In '97, it was possible to point to plausible figures in a future Conservative government. Same in 2017. The non-Corbynites may have been out in the cold, but they were still in the Labour ecosystem.
The hardcore takeover of the Conservatives has been much more complete. That's going to make recovery much harder.
It's had one of the worst starts of any new government in history, and, no, it has me pining for Sunak again. The mismanagement of this one, already, is utterly appalling.
Really. You don't know what you've lost till it's gone.
forgot may but then its so easy to forget a nobody
What is "Causing Common Danger"? I can't see that the offence even exists in the Act. There are only about 2 or 3 sections still in force.
(TBF it isn't a very precise media report.)
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/Will4/5-6/50/contents
Freedom - numerous laws restricting right to protest
Family - Johnson, Hancock, 2 child cap
Community - austerity resulting in closure of libraries and other community facilities
Nation - ? What does that mean? UK global influence considerably reduced by Brexit
Bold future - lol! Low levels of investment, withdrawal from multi-national science projects
Grift - PPE fraud, Johnson personal loans, party donations from dodgy oligarchs etc
https://x.com/sirwg202110/status/1826908527811596425?t=g2AuorOVkTmemtyYzlu11w&s=08
His promises are worthless. He is completely untrustworthy
Most standards for things are achieved above the eu levels. The iso standards. Now we have brexited instead of the eu speaking for the uk we are back at the table.
Tories 121 seats
What I don't accept is that we're not allowed to "fight" the new Government for 10 years until we're suitably chastened and have done a decent spell in the clink.
Everyone is now waking up to the reality of what a Labour government actually means, and plenty aren't going to like it. The fightback has already begun, and rightly so.
Like me talking about Stephen Byers, Bernie Ecclestone or Jack Dromey.
Stick to talking about Russia. Where you actually have something to add.
New government now. Focus on them.
Are you going to post that in response to any criticism of Starmer for the next 5 years?
Grow up.
And, er, no.
The previous Conservative Government was far better than this shitshow.
Even backbenchers can sometimes make a difference eg Steel's abortion act
Got it.
As soon as Starmer's government does something that personally hits you you'll instantly pivot to a new 'meme' that amuses you, without even a blink, so at least we all have that to look forward to.
Enough to save 30 Con seats?
And that will bite hard on not just current pensioners.
With all the news articles, Netflix and Amazon dramas you'd think she'd unearthed Watergate, written Wild Swans or won the Victoria Cross with a remarkable display of valour, but she just interviewed Prince Andrew.
Clearly, there's some sort of market for this, but it's one that bores most people silly. Didn't even see the original interview.
Personally I find it ludicrous that the government foregoes tax to allow people to build up multi million pound retirement pots, plus £20k per year ISAs. Subsidising savings up to around 500k per person makes a lot of sense, but beyond that it is just giving back tax to the wealthy and hiding that we are doing it by making the system very complex.
It's the most left-wing since the 1970s.
Right. Got it.