Northern Ireland [Westminster] Constituencies : Part One (Safe Seats) – politicalbetting.com
With the Westminster General Election upcoming next month [July], We are all wondering which seats will be close and which constituencies are foregone conclusions.
Fuck me, have I lucked out with the weather or WHAT
I cannot imagine a nicer thing than a free week (thank you, the French tax payer) touring the islands of Brittany in unfiltered summer sunshine, all exes paid, cars boats and hotels, plus oysters and kirs Breton included (kir Bretons? Sir Kirs Bretonnique?)
I was thinking about this, in a roundabout way, there is a chance that the DUP could overtake the SNP on numbers of seats. if the SNP have a catastrophically bad night (a reverse of 2015) it could happen. to go from the third largest party to maybe the 5th or 6th (depending on Reform)
Fuck me, have I lucked out with the weather or WHAT
I cannot imagine a nicer thing than a free week (thank you, the French tax payer) touring the islands of Brittany in unfiltered summer sunshine, all exes paid, cars boats and hotels, plus oysters and kirs Breton included (kir Bretons? Sir Kirs Bretonnique?)
Heh
Seriously. What is the plural for a kir Breton?
My heads says Kirs Breton but my heart says that is somehow pretentious. I may need this essential lingo if the weather prevails this fine and I need lots of refreshment
Fuck me, have I lucked out with the weather or WHAT
I cannot imagine a nicer thing than a free week (thank you, the French tax payer) touring the islands of Brittany in unfiltered summer sunshine, all exes paid, cars boats and hotels, plus oysters and kirs Breton included (kir Bretons? Sir Kirs Bretonnique?)
Heh
I think Kirs Breton is the more elegant formulation. As it is, I’m not massively keen on the drink (finding it too sweet). But, first world problems. Brittany is, as you say, lovely.
🆕 @Moreincommon_ voting intention. Small changes but our highest Reform score yet. While Labour tick back up & lead by 16 🔴 LAB 41% (+2) 🔵 CON 25% (-) 🟠 LIB DEM 10% (-1) 🟣 REF UK 15% (+1) 🟢 GRN 5% (-) 🟡 SNP 2%(-1) Dates: 21-23/6 N: 2046 Tables: moreincommon.org.uk/our-work/votin… https://x.com/LukeTryl/status/1805274012135702821?s=19
Reform up but Tories will be relieved their lead over Reform for 2nd is 10% ie double the 5% lead Reform have over the LDs for 3rd
Why should the Tories be relieved ? They will lose and then have to rebuild a party.
Actually that is inevitable and I may be mistaken but I cannot see much change in the polling over the next 12 days
I suppose it will all come down to the 'hovering pen' over the ballot paper
For me I just want Starmer in no 10 and for the country to move on
Twelve days? You are Laura K and I claim by fiver.
It is 12 days to the 5th July
It is nine and a bit days until polling day.
24,25,26,27,28,29,30,01,02,03,04 and result day 05 = 12 days
I am getting flashbacks to arguments with my daughter about how to count steps.
In 1 day it is the 25th, tomorrow not today, so it is 11 days until Friday evening, the day after the election.
Do you count today or not is always a matter of some debate.
For me the debate is wrapped up by thinking its nearly 7pm and I've got a beer open, so no, today is done.
Had you said this at 8am this morning, I'd have looked at needing to work today and said yes today has to be counted.
I’d hate to intrude, but if ballot boxes don’t close till 10pm, that day can’t be over at 7.
It is nine and a bit days until polling day. That is a matter of fact, not debate. BigG said twelve days, which is LauraK levels of innumeracy.
If you say so though others may say so what - it is all rather silly a bit like having no cash
Which the Tories will after this election.
(he's retiring)
As an aside. It is interesting how so many of the leading Tory Eurosceptics are Roman Catholic. Bill Cash, IDS, Moggster, Anne Widdicombe, Boris Johnson, Gove (allegedly), Sir Edward Leigh.
OT: The more and more people I talk to, the more I think the story of this election is still Partygate.
The thing that annoyed middle England like nothing else - that anecdotally has turned away so many people’s ‘lifelong Tory uncles/aunts’ - is probably more responsible than anything that happened since.
And here is something that might reverberate.
If the Tories do end up on 0-50 seats: Might it improve the public standards/accountability of governments for years to come?
If ‘Partygate wot lost it’ becomes the narrative going forward - including other conduct related scandals - I imagine governments will become far far less tolerant of sloppy conduct - things like Gamblergate. Internal discipline will have to increase. Govts with huge majorities will no longer thing they are invulnerable - “Remember what happened to the Tories in 2024?”
This might be an optimistic take on things. But regardless of your political persuasion, I think it would send a strong “Don’t mess with the British public” message for future governments of all stripes - and that can only be good for us all.
I was thinking about this, in a roundabout way, there is a chance that the DUP could overtake the SNP on numbers of seats. if the SNP have a catastrophically bad night (a reverse of 2015) it could happen. to go from the third largest party to maybe the 5th or 6th (depending on Reform)
On current polling ranges and error margins potentially all the places from 2nd to 5th in seats are uncertain. The only thing not varying from poll to poll is 1st.
OT: The more and more people I talk to, the more I think the story of this election is still Partygate.
The thing that annoyed middle England like nothing else - that anecdotally has turned away so many people’s ‘lifelong Tory uncles/aunts’ - is probably more responsible than anything that happened since.
And here is something that might reverberate.
If the Tories do end up on 0-50 seats: Might it improve the public standards of governments for decades to come?
If it becomes the narrative going forward, I imagine governments will become far far less tolerant of things like Gamblergate. Internal discipline will have to increase. Govts with huge majorities will no longer thing they are invulnerable - “Remember what happened to the Tories in 2024?”
This might be an optimistic take on things. But regardless of your political persuasion, I think it would send a strong “Don’t mess with the British public” message for future governments of all stripes - and that can only be good for us all.
I think the root causes of the election result, the Tories’ collapse, as austerity, Brexit and Partygate. And I suspect the Conservative Party will conclude that the root cause is that they didn’t talk enough about immigration and tax cuts.
Fuck me, have I lucked out with the weather or WHAT
I cannot imagine a nicer thing than a free week (thank you, the French tax payer) touring the islands of Brittany in unfiltered summer sunshine, all exes paid, cars boats and hotels, plus oysters and kirs Breton included (kir Bretons? Sir Kirs Bretonnique?)
Heh
Seriously. What is the plural for a kir Breton?
My heads says Kirs Breton but my heart says that is somehow pretentious. I may need this essential lingo if the weather prevails this fine and I need lots of refreshment
The French never have more than one Kir anyway, so it’s probably not come up before.
OT: The more and more people I talk to, the more I think the story of this election is still Partygate.
The thing that annoyed middle England like nothing else - that anecdotally has turned away so many people’s ‘lifelong Tory uncles/aunts’ - is probably more responsible than anything that happened since.
And here is something that might reverberate.
If the Tories do end up on 0-50 seats: Might it improve the public standards of governments for decades to come?
If it becomes the narrative going forward, I imagine governments will become far far less tolerant of things like Gamblergate. Internal discipline will have to increase. Govts with huge majorities will no longer thing they are invulnerable - “Remember what happened to the Tories in 2024?”
This might be an optimistic take on things. But regardless of your political persuasion, I think it would send a strong “Don’t mess with the British public” message for future governments of all stripes - and that can only be good for us all.
I think the root causes of the election result, the Tories’ collapse, as austerity, Brexit and Partygate. And I suspect the Conservative Party will conclude that the root cause is that they didn’t talk enough about immigration and tax cuts.
And being in power during the highest inflation in decades. That one’s not their fault but we can see what it’s done to governments all around the world.
Fuck me, have I lucked out with the weather or WHAT
I cannot imagine a nicer thing than a free week (thank you, the French tax payer) touring the islands of Brittany in unfiltered summer sunshine, all exes paid, cars boats and hotels, plus oysters and kirs Breton included (kir Bretons? Sir Kirs Bretonnique?)
Heh
Seriously. What is the plural for a kir Breton?
My heads says Kirs Breton but my heart says that is somehow pretentious. I may need this essential lingo if the weather prevails this fine and I need lots of refreshment
Seriously? That's crème de cassis and cider, right?
In which case the plural of a kir Breton ends up being 'a bucket of sick'.
OT: The more and more people I talk to, the more I think the story of this election is still Partygate.
The thing that annoyed middle England like nothing else - that anecdotally has turned away so many people’s ‘lifelong Tory uncles/aunts’ - is probably more responsible than anything that happened since.
And here is something that might reverberate.
If the Tories do end up on 0-50 seats: Might it improve the public standards/accountability of governments for years to come?
If ‘Partygate wot lost it’ becomes the narrative going forward - including other conduct related scandals - I imagine governments will become far far less tolerant of sloppy conduct - things like Gamblergate. Internal discipline will have to increase. Govts with huge majorities will no longer thing they are invulnerable - “Remember what happened to the Tories in 2024?”
This might be an optimistic take on things. But regardless of your political persuasion, I think it would send a strong “Don’t mess with the British public” message for future governments of all stripes - and that can only be good for us all.
Well "partygate" is such an issue because many of the british feel they were conned with the covid lockdowns and are ashamed of their part in it (for example letting people die alone). Interestingly this was where the biggest opposition to partygate came from from those who let their relatives die alone. But a large part of this is shame they let their loved ones die alone on the orders of the british state. This toxic shame leads to overwhelming hatred for those who enforced the measures/conned them.
Fuck me, have I lucked out with the weather or WHAT
I cannot imagine a nicer thing than a free week (thank you, the French tax payer) touring the islands of Brittany in unfiltered summer sunshine, all exes paid, cars boats and hotels, plus oysters and kirs Breton included (kir Bretons? Sir Kirs Bretonnique?)
Heh
Seriously. What is the plural for a kir Breton?
My heads says Kirs Breton but my heart says that is somehow pretentious. I may need this essential lingo if the weather prevails this fine and I need lots of refreshment
The French never have more than one Kir anyway, so it’s probably not come up before.
Two or three kirs Bretons with a few oysters and it's definitely coming up.
OT: The more and more people I talk to, the more I think the story of this election is still Partygate.
The thing that annoyed middle England like nothing else - that anecdotally has turned away so many people’s ‘lifelong Tory uncles/aunts’ - is probably more responsible than anything that happened since.
And here is something that might reverberate.
If the Tories do end up on 0-50 seats: Might it improve the public standards of governments for decades to come?
If it becomes the narrative going forward, I imagine governments will become far far less tolerant of things like Gamblergate. Internal discipline will have to increase. Govts with huge majorities will no longer thing they are invulnerable - “Remember what happened to the Tories in 2024?”
This might be an optimistic take on things. But regardless of your political persuasion, I think it would send a strong “Don’t mess with the British public” message for future governments of all stripes - and that can only be good for us all.
That's a massive and crystallising factor, but I'm not sure it's as specific (or to put it another way, limited) to that.
It's the drip-drip of that, PPE, Post Office (longer-running, but "when the music stops", etc), looking after the Patersons and Pinchers, Fisher Price Government with Liz and Kwasi, and (despite the narrative that he was doing the people's work at the time) some of the crowbars Boris employed to get Brexit done - there's a significant wing of his party's previous electorate who like Philip Hammond and aren't enamoured of proroguing parliament.
That's why the current betting shenanigans are *so* damaging.. they may not be in the least bit illegal, but they stink like three-day old fish and add to the evidence file marked "in it for themselves and their mates rather than me".
And for that drip-drip to have continued through the campaign is massively corrosive to the Tories' chance of recovery.
On your concluding point.. yes, let's hope the message gets home.
Fuck me, have I lucked out with the weather or WHAT
I cannot imagine a nicer thing than a free week (thank you, the French tax payer) touring the islands of Brittany in unfiltered summer sunshine, all exes paid, cars boats and hotels, plus oysters and kirs Breton included (kir Bretons? Sir Kirs Bretonnique?)
Heh
I think Kirs Breton is the more elegant formulation. As it is, I’m not massively keen on the drink (finding it too sweet). But, first world problems. Brittany is, as you say, lovely.
One or two are perfect around 4pm on a hot afternoon, in my experience, the sweetness is perhaps akin to the desire for a scone and jam and cream at British teatime, never a bad thing - but I prefer the alcohol
Brittany is seriously lovely, It may be my new favourite region of France, overtaking Languedoc and the Basque Country
The only bits I have left to explore are parts of Normandy and the eastern fringe, tho I have been there a fair amount
The roads are, as you say, astonishingly good. They actually have beautiful roundabouts. Who the fuck has beautiful roundabouts??? Not even Switzerland or the richest corners of the USA - Connecticut- SOCA - have beautiful roundabouts. I imagine some peculiar French college of roundabout design possibly in the Cevennes or near Amboise which has been going since Louis XI expressed a need for more lovely turnpikes in the 1530s, and which still prevails
Indeed there is probably a French Guild of Roundabout Designers who elect a dozen Immortals every year but recently they are feeling threatened by South Korean motorway verge dudes so they are all going to vote Nazi
OT: The more and more people I talk to, the more I think the story of this election is still Partygate.
The thing that annoyed middle England like nothing else - that anecdotally has turned away so many people’s ‘lifelong Tory uncles/aunts’ - is probably more responsible than anything that happened since.
And here is something that might reverberate.
If the Tories do end up on 0-50 seats: Might it improve the public standards of governments for decades to come?
If it becomes the narrative going forward, I imagine governments will become far far less tolerant of things like Gamblergate. Internal discipline will have to increase. Govts with huge majorities will no longer thing they are invulnerable - “Remember what happened to the Tories in 2024?”
This might be an optimistic take on things. But regardless of your political persuasion, I think it would send a strong “Don’t mess with the British public” message for future governments of all stripes - and that can only be good for us all.
I think the root causes of the election result, the Tories’ collapse, as austerity, Brexit and Partygate. And I suspect the Conservative Party will conclude that the root cause is that they didn’t talk enough about immigration and tax cuts.
In my leafy suburb of Birmingham, the biggest gripe is the perceived collapse of public services, especially the NHS. A common theme is how bloody difficult it is to get a doctor's appointment. This obviously has particularly resonance with older people, some of whom are planning on voting for someone other than the Conservatives for the first time in their life.
OT: The more and more people I talk to, the more I think the story of this election is still Partygate.
The thing that annoyed middle England like nothing else - that anecdotally has turned away so many people’s ‘lifelong Tory uncles/aunts’ - is probably more responsible than anything that happened since.
And here is something that might reverberate.
If the Tories do end up on 0-50 seats: Might it improve the public standards of governments for decades to come?
If it becomes the narrative going forward, I imagine governments will become far far less tolerant of things like Gamblergate. Internal discipline will have to increase. Govts with huge majorities will no longer thing they are invulnerable - “Remember what happened to the Tories in 2024?”
This might be an optimistic take on things. But regardless of your political persuasion, I think it would send a strong “Don’t mess with the British public” message for future governments of all stripes - and that can only be good for us all.
I think the root causes of the election result, the Tories’ collapse, as austerity, Brexit and Partygate. And I suspect the Conservative Party will conclude that the root cause is that they didn’t talk enough about immigration and tax cuts.
And being in power during the highest inflation in decades. That one’s not their fault but we can see what it’s done to governments all around the world.
As has Covid - by closing down the economy for 2 years at a cost of 450 billion plus
The G7 photo of leaders had everyone in negative ratings
Fuck me, have I lucked out with the weather or WHAT
I cannot imagine a nicer thing than a free week (thank you, the French tax payer) touring the islands of Brittany in unfiltered summer sunshine, all exes paid, cars boats and hotels, plus oysters and kirs Breton included (kir Bretons? Sir Kirs Bretonnique?)
Heh
We’re you not moaning madly yesterday about how much hard work it all was? Enjoy it.
Fuck me, have I lucked out with the weather or WHAT
I cannot imagine a nicer thing than a free week (thank you, the French tax payer) touring the islands of Brittany in unfiltered summer sunshine, all exes paid, cars boats and hotels, plus oysters and kirs Breton included (kir Bretons? Sir Kirs Bretonnique?)
Heh
Seriously. What is the plural for a kir Breton?
My heads says Kirs Breton but my heart says that is somehow pretentious. I may need this essential lingo if the weather prevails this fine and I need lots of refreshment
Fuck me, have I lucked out with the weather or WHAT
I cannot imagine a nicer thing than a free week (thank you, the French tax payer) touring the islands of Brittany in unfiltered summer sunshine, all exes paid, cars boats and hotels, plus oysters and kirs Breton included (kir Bretons? Sir Kirs Bretonnique?)
Heh
I think Kirs Breton is the more elegant formulation. As it is, I’m not massively keen on the drink (finding it too sweet). But, first world problems. Brittany is, as you say, lovely.
One or two are perfect around 4pm on a hot afternoon, in my experience, the sweetness is perhaps akin to the desire for a scone and jam and cream at British teatime, never a bad thing - but I prefer the alcohol
Brittany is seriously lovely, It may be my new favourite region of France, overtaking Languedoc and the Basque Country
The only bits I have left to explore are parts of Normandy and the eastern fringe, tho I have been there a fair amount
The roads are, as you say, astonishingly good. They actually have beautiful roundabouts. Who the fuck has beautiful roundabouts??? Not even Switzerland or the richest corners of the USA - Connecticut- SOCA - have beautiful roundabouts. I imagine some peculiar French college of roundabout design possibly in the Cevennes or near Amboise which has been going since Louis XI expressed a need for more lovely turnpikes in the 1530s, and which still prevails
Indeed there is probably a French Guild of Roundabout Designers who elect a dozen Immortals every year but recently they are feeling threatened by South Korean motorway verge dudes so they are all going to vote Nazi
Beautiful roads, great railways. etc. That's what 45% GDP tax rates get you.
I will get shouted down on here but I'd rather pay 45% GDP and have great infrastructure than 36% GDP and have the shite we have got in this country.
Fuck me, have I lucked out with the weather or WHAT
I cannot imagine a nicer thing than a free week (thank you, the French tax payer) touring the islands of Brittany in unfiltered summer sunshine, all exes paid, cars boats and hotels, plus oysters and kirs Breton included (kir Bretons? Sir Kirs Bretonnique?)
Heh
Seriously. What is the plural for a kir Breton?
My heads says Kirs Breton but my heart says that is somehow pretentious. I may need this essential lingo if the weather prevails this fine and I need lots of refreshment
The French never have more than one Kir anyway, so it’s probably not come up before.
Two or three kirs Bretons with a few oysters and it's definitely coming up.
Ugh, no. Not with oysters
I just had half a dozen fantastic Quiberons. Seriously good oystering
I finished my gin and tonic with the first and moved on to lightly chilled Muscadet, is all good
Fuck me, have I lucked out with the weather or WHAT
I cannot imagine a nicer thing than a free week (thank you, the French tax payer) touring the islands of Brittany in unfiltered summer sunshine, all exes paid, cars boats and hotels, plus oysters and kirs Breton included (kir Bretons? Sir Kirs Bretonnique?)
Heh
I think Kirs Breton is the more elegant formulation. As it is, I’m not massively keen on the drink (finding it too sweet). But, first world problems. Brittany is, as you say, lovely.
One or two are perfect around 4pm on a hot afternoon, in my experience, the sweetness is perhaps akin to the desire for a scone and jam and cream at British teatime, never a bad thing - but I prefer the alcohol
Brittany is seriously lovely, It may be my new favourite region of France, overtaking Languedoc and the Basque Country
The only bits I have left to explore are parts of Normandy and the eastern fringe, tho I have been there a fair amount
The roads are, as you say, astonishingly good. They actually have beautiful roundabouts. Who the fuck has beautiful roundabouts??? Not even Switzerland or the richest corners of the USA - Connecticut- SOCA - have beautiful roundabouts. I imagine some peculiar French college of roundabout design possibly in the Cevennes or near Amboise which has been going since Louis XI expressed a need for more lovely turnpikes in the 1530s, and which still prevails
Indeed there is probably a French Guild of Roundabout Designers who elect a dozen Immortals every year but recently they are feeling threatened by South Korean motorway verge dudes so they are all going to vote Nazi
Beautiful roads, great railways. etc. That's what 45% GDP tax rates get you.
I will get shouted down on here but I'd rather pay 45% GDP and have great infrastructure than 36% GDP and have the shite we have got in this country.
The roads are visible. The freedom forgone is not.
OT: The more and more people I talk to, the more I think the story of this election is still Partygate.
The thing that annoyed middle England like nothing else - that anecdotally has turned away so many people’s ‘lifelong Tory uncles/aunts’ - is probably more responsible than anything that happened since.
And here is something that might reverberate.
If the Tories do end up on 0-50 seats: Might it improve the public standards/accountability of governments for years to come?
If ‘Partygate wot lost it’ becomes the narrative going forward - including other conduct related scandals - I imagine governments will become far far less tolerant of sloppy conduct - things like Gamblergate. Internal discipline will have to increase. Govts with huge majorities will no longer thing they are invulnerable - “Remember what happened to the Tories in 2024?”
This might be an optimistic take on things. But regardless of your political persuasion, I think it would send a strong “Don’t mess with the British public” message for future governments of all stripes - and that can only be good for us all.
Well "partygate" is such an issue because many of the british feel they were conned with the covid lockdowns and are ashamed of their part in it (for example letting people die alone). Interestingly this was where the biggest opposition to partygate came from from those who let their relatives die alone. But a large part of this is shame they let their loved ones die alone on the orders of the british state. This toxic shame leads to overwhelming hatred for those who enforced the measures/conned them.
You are so embarrassingly bad at this I almost feel sorry for you.
OT: The more and more people I talk to, the more I think the story of this election is still Partygate.
The thing that annoyed middle England like nothing else - that anecdotally has turned away so many people’s ‘lifelong Tory uncles/aunts’ - is probably more responsible than anything that happened since.
And here is something that might reverberate.
If the Tories do end up on 0-50 seats: Might it improve the public standards/accountability of governments for years to come?
If ‘Partygate wot lost it’ becomes the narrative going forward - including other conduct related scandals - I imagine governments will become far far less tolerant of sloppy conduct - things like Gamblergate. Internal discipline will have to increase. Govts with huge majorities will no longer thing they are invulnerable - “Remember what happened to the Tories in 2024?”
This might be an optimistic take on things. But regardless of your political persuasion, I think it would send a strong “Don’t mess with the British public” message for future governments of all stripes - and that can only be good for us all.
Well "partygate" is such an issue because many of the british feel they were conned with the covid lockdowns and are ashamed of their part in it (for example letting people die alone). Interestingly this was where the biggest opposition to partygate came from from those who let their relatives die alone. But a large part of this is shame they let their loved ones die alone on the orders of the british state. This toxic shame leads to overwhelming hatred for those who enforced the measures/conned them.
You are so embarrassingly bad at this I almost feel sorry for you.
If you think letting loved ones die alone is ok well its a view i suppose.
OT: The more and more people I talk to, the more I think the story of this election is still Partygate.
The thing that annoyed middle England like nothing else - that anecdotally has turned away so many people’s ‘lifelong Tory uncles/aunts’ - is probably more responsible than anything that happened since.
And here is something that might reverberate.
If the Tories do end up on 0-50 seats: Might it improve the public standards/accountability of governments for years to come?
If ‘Partygate wot lost it’ becomes the narrative going forward - including other conduct related scandals - I imagine governments will become far far less tolerant of sloppy conduct - things like Gamblergate. Internal discipline will have to increase. Govts with huge majorities will no longer thing they are invulnerable - “Remember what happened to the Tories in 2024?”
This might be an optimistic take on things. But regardless of your political persuasion, I think it would send a strong “Don’t mess with the British public” message for future governments of all stripes - and that can only be good for us all.
Well "partygate" is such an issue because many of the british feel they were conned with the covid lockdowns and are ashamed of their part in it (for example letting people die alone). Interestingly this was where the biggest opposition to partygate came from from those who let their relatives die alone. But a large part of this is shame they let their loved ones die alone on the orders of the british state. This toxic shame leads to overwhelming hatred for those who enforced the measures/conned them.
You are so embarrassingly bad at this I almost feel sorry for you.
Indeed. Do they not have capitalisation of proper nouns in Russia?
Fuck me, have I lucked out with the weather or WHAT
I cannot imagine a nicer thing than a free week (thank you, the French tax payer) touring the islands of Brittany in unfiltered summer sunshine, all exes paid, cars boats and hotels, plus oysters and kirs Breton included (kir Bretons? Sir Kirs Bretonnique?)
Heh
I think Kirs Breton is the more elegant formulation. As it is, I’m not massively keen on the drink (finding it too sweet). But, first world problems. Brittany is, as you say, lovely.
One or two are perfect around 4pm on a hot afternoon, in my experience, the sweetness is perhaps akin to the desire for a scone and jam and cream at British teatime, never a bad thing - but I prefer the alcohol
Brittany is seriously lovely, It may be my new favourite region of France, overtaking Languedoc and the Basque Country
The only bits I have left to explore are parts of Normandy and the eastern fringe, tho I have been there a fair amount
The roads are, as you say, astonishingly good. They actually have beautiful roundabouts. Who the fuck has beautiful roundabouts??? Not even Switzerland or the richest corners of the USA - Connecticut- SOCA - have beautiful roundabouts. I imagine some peculiar French college of roundabout design possibly in the Cevennes or near Amboise which has been going since Louis XI expressed a need for more lovely turnpikes in the 1530s, and which still prevails
Indeed there is probably a French Guild of Roundabout Designers who elect a dozen Immortals every year but recently they are feeling threatened by South Korean motorway verge dudes so they are all going to vote Nazi
Beautiful roads, great railways. etc. That's what 45% GDP tax rates get you.
I will get shouted down on here but I'd rather pay 45% GDP and have great infrastructure than 36% GDP and have the shite we have got in this country.
The roads are visible. The freedom forgone is not.
Ah yes, the freedom to replace your own tyres after hitting a pothole. Who would give up that fundamental human right, eh?
OT: The more and more people I talk to, the more I think the story of this election is still Partygate.
The thing that annoyed middle England like nothing else - that anecdotally has turned away so many people’s ‘lifelong Tory uncles/aunts’ - is probably more responsible than anything that happened since.
And here is something that might reverberate.
If the Tories do end up on 0-50 seats: Might it improve the public standards/accountability of governments for years to come?
If ‘Partygate wot lost it’ becomes the narrative going forward - including other conduct related scandals - I imagine governments will become far far less tolerant of sloppy conduct - things like Gamblergate. Internal discipline will have to increase. Govts with huge majorities will no longer thing they are invulnerable - “Remember what happened to the Tories in 2024?”
This might be an optimistic take on things. But regardless of your political persuasion, I think it would send a strong “Don’t mess with the British public” message for future governments of all stripes - and that can only be good for us all.
Well "partygate" is such an issue because many of the british feel they were conned with the covid lockdowns and are ashamed of their part in it (for example letting people die alone). Interestingly this was where the biggest opposition to partygate came from from those who let their relatives die alone. But a large part of this is shame they let their loved ones die alone on the orders of the british state. This toxic shame leads to overwhelming hatred for those who enforced the measures/conned them.
That is fair comment, although in my experience of people whos relatives died alone was overwhelming fury at Johnson and the Tories for Unbritish Behaviour (not obeying the law).
OT: The more and more people I talk to, the more I think the story of this election is still Partygate.
The thing that annoyed middle England like nothing else - that anecdotally has turned away so many people’s ‘lifelong Tory uncles/aunts’ - is probably more responsible than anything that happened since.
And here is something that might reverberate.
If the Tories do end up on 0-50 seats: Might it improve the public standards/accountability of governments for years to come?
If ‘Partygate wot lost it’ becomes the narrative going forward - including other conduct related scandals - I imagine governments will become far far less tolerant of sloppy conduct - things like Gamblergate. Internal discipline will have to increase. Govts with huge majorities will no longer thing they are invulnerable - “Remember what happened to the Tories in 2024?”
This might be an optimistic take on things. But regardless of your political persuasion, I think it would send a strong “Don’t mess with the British public” message for future governments of all stripes - and that can only be good for us all.
Well "partygate" is such an issue because many of the british feel they were conned with the covid lockdowns and are ashamed of their part in it (for example letting people die alone). Interestingly this was where the biggest opposition to partygate came from from those who let their relatives die alone. But a large part of this is shame they let their loved ones die alone on the orders of the british state. This toxic shame leads to overwhelming hatred for those who enforced the measures/conned them.
You are so embarrassingly bad at this I almost feel sorry for you.
If you think letting loved ones die alone is ok well its a view i suppose.
It was a serious misjudgement, I think, but one made for honest reasons. People are angry about partygate, not because they are ashamed, but because they are proud of doing their bit, when others, who manifestly should have done better, did not.
Fuck me, have I lucked out with the weather or WHAT
I cannot imagine a nicer thing than a free week (thank you, the French tax payer) touring the islands of Brittany in unfiltered summer sunshine, all exes paid, cars boats and hotels, plus oysters and kirs Breton included (kir Bretons? Sir Kirs Bretonnique?)
Heh
We’re you not moaning madly yesterday about how much hard work it all was? Enjoy it.
I wasn’t moaning MADLY i was mildly bleating that it is harder work than it looks. It ain’t a holiday, they very often impose insanely punishing itineraries that you have to fight, eg tomorrow I am up at 6am so I can get to Belle Ile by 8 and see as much of it as possible in two days, because the locals want to show me the best of the island, food wine and cote sauvage
Yes that sounds great but jeez it can be exhausting, also you have to be nice to EVERYONE and meet lots of guides and tourist people and restaurateurs and hoteliers and express a sincere interest in EVERYTHING. It helps that I am an enthusiast by nature
And does anyone at home understand how hard it is having to do loads of amazing things and eat amazing food in amazing places for free? No they do NOT
OT: The more and more people I talk to, the more I think the story of this election is still Partygate.
The thing that annoyed middle England like nothing else - that anecdotally has turned away so many people’s ‘lifelong Tory uncles/aunts’ - is probably more responsible than anything that happened since.
And here is something that might reverberate.
If the Tories do end up on 0-50 seats: Might it improve the public standards/accountability of governments for years to come?
If ‘Partygate wot lost it’ becomes the narrative going forward - including other conduct related scandals - I imagine governments will become far far less tolerant of sloppy conduct - things like Gamblergate. Internal discipline will have to increase. Govts with huge majorities will no longer thing they are invulnerable - “Remember what happened to the Tories in 2024?”
This might be an optimistic take on things. But regardless of your political persuasion, I think it would send a strong “Don’t mess with the British public” message for future governments of all stripes - and that can only be good for us all.
Well "partygate" is such an issue because many of the british feel they were conned with the covid lockdowns and are ashamed of their part in it (for example letting people die alone). Interestingly this was where the biggest opposition to partygate came from from those who let their relatives die alone. But a large part of this is shame they let their loved ones die alone on the orders of the british state. This toxic shame leads to overwhelming hatred for those who enforced the measures/conned them.
You are so embarrassingly bad at this I almost feel sorry for you.
Indeed. Do they not have capitalisation of proper nouns in Russia?
Remember - not Russian, but likely Nigerian or elsewhere in Africa.
Fuck me, have I lucked out with the weather or WHAT
I cannot imagine a nicer thing than a free week (thank you, the French tax payer) touring the islands of Brittany in unfiltered summer sunshine, all exes paid, cars boats and hotels, plus oysters and kirs Breton included (kir Bretons? Sir Kirs Bretonnique?)
Heh
I think Kirs Breton is the more elegant formulation. As it is, I’m not massively keen on the drink (finding it too sweet). But, first world problems. Brittany is, as you say, lovely.
One or two are perfect around 4pm on a hot afternoon, in my experience, the sweetness is perhaps akin to the desire for a scone and jam and cream at British teatime, never a bad thing - but I prefer the alcohol
Brittany is seriously lovely, It may be my new favourite region of France, overtaking Languedoc and the Basque Country
The only bits I have left to explore are parts of Normandy and the eastern fringe, tho I have been there a fair amount
The roads are, as you say, astonishingly good. They actually have beautiful roundabouts. Who the fuck has beautiful roundabouts??? Not even Switzerland or the richest corners of the USA - Connecticut- SOCA - have beautiful roundabouts. I imagine some peculiar French college of roundabout design possibly in the Cevennes or near Amboise which has been going since Louis XI expressed a need for more lovely turnpikes in the 1530s, and which still prevails
Indeed there is probably a French Guild of Roundabout Designers who elect a dozen Immortals every year but recently they are feeling threatened by South Korean motorway verge dudes so they are all going to vote Nazi
Beautiful roads, great railways. etc. That's what 45% GDP tax rates get you.
I will get shouted down on here but I'd rather pay 45% GDP and have great infrastructure than 36% GDP and have the shite we have got in this country.
The roads are visible. The freedom forgone is not.
Ah yes, the freedom to replace your own tyres after hitting a pothole. Who would give up that fundamental human right, eh?
I'll take that over living like The Stepford Wives.
OT: The more and more people I talk to, the more I think the story of this election is still Partygate.
The thing that annoyed middle England like nothing else - that anecdotally has turned away so many people’s ‘lifelong Tory uncles/aunts’ - is probably more responsible than anything that happened since.
And here is something that might reverberate.
If the Tories do end up on 0-50 seats: Might it improve the public standards/accountability of governments for years to come?
If ‘Partygate wot lost it’ becomes the narrative going forward - including other conduct related scandals - I imagine governments will become far far less tolerant of sloppy conduct - things like Gamblergate. Internal discipline will have to increase. Govts with huge majorities will no longer thing they are invulnerable - “Remember what happened to the Tories in 2024?”
This might be an optimistic take on things. But regardless of your political persuasion, I think it would send a strong “Don’t mess with the British public” message for future governments of all stripes - and that can only be good for us all.
Well "partygate" is such an issue because many of the british feel they were conned with the covid lockdowns and are ashamed of their part in it (for example letting people die alone). Interestingly this was where the biggest opposition to partygate came from from those who let their relatives die alone. But a large part of this is shame they let their loved ones die alone on the orders of the british state. This toxic shame leads to overwhelming hatred for those who enforced the measures/conned them.
You are so embarrassingly bad at this I almost feel sorry for you.
If you think letting loved ones die alone is ok well its a view i suppose.
The real crime against humanity is letting you, from whatever God forsaken corner of the Earth you’re typing this from, loose on this board. You’re about as convincingly British as Dick van Dyke wearing a lederhosen.
OT: The more and more people I talk to, the more I think the story of this election is still Partygate.
The thing that annoyed middle England like nothing else - that anecdotally has turned away so many people’s ‘lifelong Tory uncles/aunts’ - is probably more responsible than anything that happened since.
And here is something that might reverberate.
If the Tories do end up on 0-50 seats: Might it improve the public standards of governments for decades to come?
If it becomes the narrative going forward, I imagine governments will become far far less tolerant of things like Gamblergate. Internal discipline will have to increase. Govts with huge majorities will no longer thing they are invulnerable - “Remember what happened to the Tories in 2024?”
This might be an optimistic take on things. But regardless of your political persuasion, I think it would send a strong “Don’t mess with the British public” message for future governments of all stripes - and that can only be good for us all.
I think the root causes of the election result, the Tories’ collapse, as austerity, Brexit and Partygate. And I suspect the Conservative Party will conclude that the root cause is that they didn’t talk enough about immigration and tax cuts.
That analysis will both appeal to the party membership and can be easily evidenced (in their minds, anyway) by looking at the size of the Reform vote.
The fact that, the further they march rightwards, the more of their small-c conservative vote may defect to the Lib Dems in disgust, will be conveniently ignored.
It seems to me that the chance of a hard right Tory rump achieving a revival depends crucially on Labour being as useless in Government as the Tories, and a populist leader then successfully knocking down the Red Wall for a second time. If everything goes right for them, a nasty hard right insurgency could become a really serious problem for the country. Alternatively, they could simply be shoved out of the way by the Liberal Democrats and permanently marginalised.
How the Liberal Democrats as a party reconcile their own members' leftward leanings with having dozens of new MPs representing leafy shire constituencies will also be very important in all of this. There's currently a vacancy for a pragmatic, soft centre-right party that is receptive to appeals to help the vulnerable and rejects cruelty, but also dislikes anything that smells of socialism. Is Sir Ed ready to apply?
Fuck me, have I lucked out with the weather or WHAT
I cannot imagine a nicer thing than a free week (thank you, the French tax payer) touring the islands of Brittany in unfiltered summer sunshine, all exes paid, cars boats and hotels, plus oysters and kirs Breton included (kir Bretons? Sir Kirs Bretonnique?)
Heh
We’re you not moaning madly yesterday about how much hard work it all was? Enjoy it.
I wasn’t moaning MADLY i was mildly bleating that it is harder work than it looks. It ain’t a holiday, they very often impose insanely punishing itineraries that you have to fight, eg tomorrow I am up at 6am so I can get to Belle Ile by 8 and see as much of it as possible in two days, because the locals want to show me the best of the island, food wine and cote sauvage
Yes that sounds great but jeez it can be exhausting, also you have to be nice to EVERYONE and meet lots of guides and tourist people and restaurateurs and hoteliers and express a sincere interest in EVERYTHING. It helps that I am an enthusiast by nature
And does anyone at home understand how hard it is having to do loads of amazing things and eat amazing food in amazing places for free? No they do NOT
OT: The more and more people I talk to, the more I think the story of this election is still Partygate.
The thing that annoyed middle England like nothing else - that anecdotally has turned away so many people’s ‘lifelong Tory uncles/aunts’ - is probably more responsible than anything that happened since.
And here is something that might reverberate.
If the Tories do end up on 0-50 seats: Might it improve the public standards/accountability of governments for years to come?
If ‘Partygate wot lost it’ becomes the narrative going forward - including other conduct related scandals - I imagine governments will become far far less tolerant of sloppy conduct - things like Gamblergate. Internal discipline will have to increase. Govts with huge majorities will no longer thing they are invulnerable - “Remember what happened to the Tories in 2024?”
This might be an optimistic take on things. But regardless of your political persuasion, I think it would send a strong “Don’t mess with the British public” message for future governments of all stripes - and that can only be good for us all.
Well "partygate" is such an issue because many of the british feel they were conned with the covid lockdowns and are ashamed of their part in it (for example letting people die alone). Interestingly this was where the biggest opposition to partygate came from from those who let their relatives die alone. But a large part of this is shame they let their loved ones die alone on the orders of the british state. This toxic shame leads to overwhelming hatred for those who enforced the measures/conned them.
You are so embarrassingly bad at this I almost feel sorry for you.
Indeed. Do they not have capitalisation of proper nouns in Russia?
Remember - not Russian, but likely Nigerian or elsewhere in Africa.
OT: The more and more people I talk to, the more I think the story of this election is still Partygate.
The thing that annoyed middle England like nothing else - that anecdotally has turned away so many people’s ‘lifelong Tory uncles/aunts’ - is probably more responsible than anything that happened since.
And here is something that might reverberate.
If the Tories do end up on 0-50 seats: Might it improve the public standards/accountability of governments for years to come?
If ‘Partygate wot lost it’ becomes the narrative going forward - including other conduct related scandals - I imagine governments will become far far less tolerant of sloppy conduct - things like Gamblergate. Internal discipline will have to increase. Govts with huge majorities will no longer thing they are invulnerable - “Remember what happened to the Tories in 2024?”
This might be an optimistic take on things. But regardless of your political persuasion, I think it would send a strong “Don’t mess with the British public” message for future governments of all stripes - and that can only be good for us all.
Hard to underestimate the sewage stuff too. That has seriously angered people.
Fuck me, have I lucked out with the weather or WHAT
I cannot imagine a nicer thing than a free week (thank you, the French tax payer) touring the islands of Brittany in unfiltered summer sunshine, all exes paid, cars boats and hotels, plus oysters and kirs Breton included (kir Bretons? Sir Kirs Bretonnique?)
Heh
We’re you not moaning madly yesterday about how much hard work it all was? Enjoy it.
I wasn’t moaning MADLY i was mildly bleating that it is harder work than it looks. It ain’t a holiday, they very often impose insanely punishing itineraries that you have to fight, eg tomorrow I am up at 6am so I can get to Belle Ile by 8 and see as much of it as possible in two days, because the locals want to show me the best of the island, food wine and cote sauvage
Yes that sounds great but jeez it can be exhausting, also you have to be nice to EVERYONE and meet lots of guides and tourist people and restaurateurs and hoteliers and express a sincere interest in EVERYTHING. It helps that I am an enthusiast by nature
And does anyone at home understand how hard it is having to do loads of amazing things and eat amazing food in amazing places for free? No they do NOT
🆕 @Moreincommon_ voting intention. Small changes but our highest Reform score yet. While Labour tick back up & lead by 16 🔴 LAB 41% (+2) 🔵 CON 25% (-) 🟠 LIB DEM 10% (-1) 🟣 REF UK 15% (+1) 🟢 GRN 5% (-) 🟡 SNP 2%(-1) Dates: 21-23/6 N: 2046 Tables: moreincommon.org.uk/our-work/votin… https://x.com/LukeTryl/status/1805274012135702821?s=19
Reform up but Tories will be relieved their lead over Reform for 2nd is 10% ie double the 5% lead Reform have over the LDs for 3rd
Why should the Tories be relieved ? They will lose and then have to rebuild a party.
Actually that is inevitable and I may be mistaken but I cannot see much change in the polling over the next 12 days
I suppose it will all come down to the 'hovering pen' over the ballot paper
For me I just want Starmer in no 10 and for the country to move on
Twelve days? You are Laura K and I claim by fiver.
It is 12 days to the 5th July
It is nine and a bit days until polling day.
24,25,26,27,28,29,30,01,02,03,04 and result day 05 = 12 days
I am getting flashbacks to arguments with my daughter about how to count steps.
In 1 day it is the 25th, tomorrow not today, so it is 11 days until Friday evening, the day after the election.
Do you count today or not is always a matter of some debate.
For me the debate is wrapped up by thinking its nearly 7pm and I've got a beer open, so no, today is done.
Had you said this at 8am this morning, I'd have looked at needing to work today and said yes today has to be counted.
I’d hate to intrude, but if ballot boxes don’t close till 10pm, that day can’t be over at 7.
It is nine and a bit days until polling day. That is a matter of fact, not debate. BigG said twelve days, which is LauraK levels of innumeracy.
If you say so though others may say so what - it is all rather silly a bit like having no cash
Which the Tories will after this election.
(he's retiring)
As an aside. It is interesting how so many of the leading Tory Eurosceptics are Roman Catholic. Bill Cash, IDS, Moggster, Anne Widdicombe, Boris Johnson, Gove (allegedly), Sir Edward Leigh.
Whereas back in 1975 some of us campaigning for a Yes vote came across Nonconformists who were worried about being associated with the Treaty of Rome!
OT: The more and more people I talk to, the more I think the story of this election is still Partygate.
The thing that annoyed middle England like nothing else - that anecdotally has turned away so many people’s ‘lifelong Tory uncles/aunts’ - is probably more responsible than anything that happened since.
And here is something that might reverberate.
If the Tories do end up on 0-50 seats: Might it improve the public standards of governments for decades to come?
If it becomes the narrative going forward, I imagine governments will become far far less tolerant of things like Gamblergate. Internal discipline will have to increase. Govts with huge majorities will no longer thing they are invulnerable - “Remember what happened to the Tories in 2024?”
This might be an optimistic take on things. But regardless of your political persuasion, I think it would send a strong “Don’t mess with the British public” message for future governments of all stripes - and that can only be good for us all.
I think the root causes of the election result, the Tories’ collapse, as austerity, Brexit and Partygate. And I suspect the Conservative Party will conclude that the root cause is that they didn’t talk enough about immigration and tax cuts.
And being in power during the highest inflation in decades. That one’s not their fault but we can see what it’s done to governments all around the world.
This is (tragically) a big factor helping Trump's chances.
Fuck me, have I lucked out with the weather or WHAT
I cannot imagine a nicer thing than a free week (thank you, the French tax payer) touring the islands of Brittany in unfiltered summer sunshine, all exes paid, cars boats and hotels, plus oysters and kirs Breton included (kir Bretons? Sir Kirs Bretonnique?)
Heh
I think Kirs Breton is the more elegant formulation. As it is, I’m not massively keen on the drink (finding it too sweet). But, first world problems. Brittany is, as you say, lovely.
One or two are perfect around 4pm on a hot afternoon, in my experience, the sweetness is perhaps akin to the desire for a scone and jam and cream at British teatime, never a bad thing - but I prefer the alcohol
Brittany is seriously lovely, It may be my new favourite region of France, overtaking Languedoc and the Basque Country
The only bits I have left to explore are parts of Normandy and the eastern fringe, tho I have been there a fair amount
The roads are, as you say, astonishingly good. They actually have beautiful roundabouts. Who the fuck has beautiful roundabouts??? Not even Switzerland or the richest corners of the USA - Connecticut- SOCA - have beautiful roundabouts. I imagine some peculiar French college of roundabout design possibly in the Cevennes or near Amboise which has been going since Louis XI expressed a need for more lovely turnpikes in the 1530s, and which still prevails
Indeed there is probably a French Guild of Roundabout Designers who elect a dozen Immortals every year but recently they are feeling threatened by South Korean motorway verge dudes so they are all going to vote Nazi
Beautiful roads, great railways. etc. That's what 45% GDP tax rates get you.
I will get shouted down on here but I'd rather pay 45% GDP and have great infrastructure than 36% GDP and have the shite we have got in this country.
I am tempted to agree. Given that Britain is now close to France on tax rates I would like us to have beautiful French towns, roads and railways and hospitals. Just do it
Honestly, if that is Skyr Toolmakersson’s intention with his 900 majority, just get on and do it. And I will cope. Sadly I fear we are going to end up with EU tax rates and US public services, and oodles and oodles of Woke
OT: The more and more people I talk to, the more I think the story of this election is still Partygate.
The thing that annoyed middle England like nothing else - that anecdotally has turned away so many people’s ‘lifelong Tory uncles/aunts’ - is probably more responsible than anything that happened since.
And here is something that might reverberate.
If the Tories do end up on 0-50 seats: Might it improve the public standards of governments for decades to come?
If it becomes the narrative going forward, I imagine governments will become far far less tolerant of things like Gamblergate. Internal discipline will have to increase. Govts with huge majorities will no longer thing they are invulnerable - “Remember what happened to the Tories in 2024?”
This might be an optimistic take on things. But regardless of your political persuasion, I think it would send a strong “Don’t mess with the British public” message for future governments of all stripes - and that can only be good for us all.
I think the root causes of the election result, the Tories’ collapse, as austerity, Brexit and Partygate. And I suspect the Conservative Party will conclude that the root cause is that they didn’t talk enough about immigration and tax cuts.
OT: The more and more people I talk to, the more I think the story of this election is still Partygate.
The thing that annoyed middle England like nothing else - that anecdotally has turned away so many people’s ‘lifelong Tory uncles/aunts’ - is probably more responsible than anything that happened since.
And here is something that might reverberate.
If the Tories do end up on 0-50 seats: Might it improve the public standards/accountability of governments for years to come?
If ‘Partygate wot lost it’ becomes the narrative going forward - including other conduct related scandals - I imagine governments will become far far less tolerant of sloppy conduct - things like Gamblergate. Internal discipline will have to increase. Govts with huge majorities will no longer thing they are invulnerable - “Remember what happened to the Tories in 2024?”
This might be an optimistic take on things. But regardless of your political persuasion, I think it would send a strong “Don’t mess with the British public” message for future governments of all stripes - and that can only be good for us all.
Well "partygate" is such an issue because many of the british feel they were conned with the covid lockdowns and are ashamed of their part in it (for example letting people die alone). Interestingly this was where the biggest opposition to partygate came from from those who let their relatives die alone. But a large part of this is shame they let their loved ones die alone on the orders of the british state. This toxic shame leads to overwhelming hatred for those who enforced the measures/conned them.
You are so embarrassingly bad at this I almost feel sorry for you.
Indeed. Do they not have capitalisation of proper nouns in Russia?
They do, but almost all other languages don't capitalise the adjectives derived from them (including Russian). COVID is apparently lowercase in Russian.
OT: The more and more people I talk to, the more I think the story of this election is still Partygate.
The thing that annoyed middle England like nothing else - that anecdotally has turned away so many people’s ‘lifelong Tory uncles/aunts’ - is probably more responsible than anything that happened since.
And here is something that might reverberate.
If the Tories do end up on 0-50 seats: Might it improve the public standards/accountability of governments for years to come?
If ‘Partygate wot lost it’ becomes the narrative going forward - including other conduct related scandals - I imagine governments will become far far less tolerant of sloppy conduct - things like Gamblergate. Internal discipline will have to increase. Govts with huge majorities will no longer thing they are invulnerable - “Remember what happened to the Tories in 2024?”
This might be an optimistic take on things. But regardless of your political persuasion, I think it would send a strong “Don’t mess with the British public” message for future governments of all stripes - and that can only be good for us all.
Hard to underestimate the sewage stuff too. That has seriously angered people.
Wrongly, in the main: we are just measuring it better. But the government has such shit comms no one knows that.
Are these Tory people who put the bets on just incredibly thick?
Both stupid (as in thick) and got the ethics of a backstreet second hand car salesman.
If it would obviously look bad if the Newspapers knew you had done it, then you don't do it even if it is legal.
If you have the ethics of an alleycat but are not stupid, then you don't do it unless it makes you so much money you don't care if you get caught a d have to resign (which is very unlikely to be the case here).
OT: The more and more people I talk to, the more I think the story of this election is still Partygate.
The thing that annoyed middle England like nothing else - that anecdotally has turned away so many people’s ‘lifelong Tory uncles/aunts’ - is probably more responsible than anything that happened since.
And here is something that might reverberate.
If the Tories do end up on 0-50 seats: Might it improve the public standards/accountability of governments for years to come?
If ‘Partygate wot lost it’ becomes the narrative going forward - including other conduct related scandals - I imagine governments will become far far less tolerant of sloppy conduct - things like Gamblergate. Internal discipline will have to increase. Govts with huge majorities will no longer thing they are invulnerable - “Remember what happened to the Tories in 2024?”
This might be an optimistic take on things. But regardless of your political persuasion, I think it would send a strong “Don’t mess with the British public” message for future governments of all stripes - and that can only be good for us all.
Hard to underestimate the sewage stuff too. That has seriously angered people.
And yet the 'sewage stuff' might all just be data measurement issues...
OT: The more and more people I talk to, the more I think the story of this election is still Partygate.
The thing that annoyed middle England like nothing else - that anecdotally has turned away so many people’s ‘lifelong Tory uncles/aunts’ - is probably more responsible than anything that happened since.
And here is something that might reverberate.
If the Tories do end up on 0-50 seats: Might it improve the public standards/accountability of governments for years to come?
If ‘Partygate wot lost it’ becomes the narrative going forward - including other conduct related scandals - I imagine governments will become far far less tolerant of sloppy conduct - things like Gamblergate. Internal discipline will have to increase. Govts with huge majorities will no longer thing they are invulnerable - “Remember what happened to the Tories in 2024?”
This might be an optimistic take on things. But regardless of your political persuasion, I think it would send a strong “Don’t mess with the British public” message for future governments of all stripes - and that can only be good for us all.
Well "partygate" is such an issue because many of the british feel they were conned with the covid lockdowns and are ashamed of their part in it (for example letting people die alone). Interestingly this was where the biggest opposition to partygate came from from those who let their relatives die alone. But a large part of this is shame they let their loved ones die alone on the orders of the british state. This toxic shame leads to overwhelming hatred for those who enforced the measures/conned them.
You are so embarrassingly bad at this I almost feel sorry for you.
Indeed. Do they not have capitalisation of proper nouns in Russia?
They do, but almost all other languages don't capitalise the adjectives derived from them (including Russian). COVID is apparently lowercase in Russian.
Its actually only the C that most style guides in English say should be capitalised.
Thus making Covid a proper noun essentially in its own right.
🆕 @Moreincommon_ voting intention. Small changes but our highest Reform score yet. While Labour tick back up & lead by 16 🔴 LAB 41% (+2) 🔵 CON 25% (-) 🟠 LIB DEM 10% (-1) 🟣 REF UK 15% (+1) 🟢 GRN 5% (-) 🟡 SNP 2%(-1) Dates: 21-23/6 N: 2046 Tables: moreincommon.org.uk/our-work/votin… https://x.com/LukeTryl/status/1805274012135702821?s=19
Reform up but Tories will be relieved their lead over Reform for 2nd is 10% ie double the 5% lead Reform have over the LDs for 3rd
Why should the Tories be relieved ? They will lose and then have to rebuild a party.
Actually that is inevitable and I may be mistaken but I cannot see much change in the polling over the next 12 days
I suppose it will all come down to the 'hovering pen' over the ballot paper
For me I just want Starmer in no 10 and for the country to move on
Twelve days? You are Laura K and I claim by fiver.
It is 12 days to the 5th July
It is nine and a bit days until polling day.
24,25,26,27,28,29,30,01,02,03,04 and result day 05 = 12 days
I am getting flashbacks to arguments with my daughter about how to count steps.
In 1 day it is the 25th, tomorrow not today, so it is 11 days until Friday evening, the day after the election.
Do you count today or not is always a matter of some debate.
For me the debate is wrapped up by thinking its nearly 7pm and I've got a beer open, so no, today is done.
Had you said this at 8am this morning, I'd have looked at needing to work today and said yes today has to be counted.
I’d hate to intrude, but if ballot boxes don’t close till 10pm, that day can’t be over at 7.
It is nine and a bit days until polling day. That is a matter of fact, not debate. BigG said twelve days, which is LauraK levels of innumeracy.
If you say so though others may say so what - it is all rather silly a bit like having no cash
Which the Tories will after this election.
(he's retiring)
As an aside. It is interesting how so many of the leading Tory Eurosceptics are Roman Catholic. Bill Cash, IDS, Moggster, Anne Widdicombe, Boris Johnson, Gove (allegedly), Sir Edward Leigh.
Whereas back in 1975 some of us campaigning for a Yes vote came across Nonconformists who were worried about being associated with the Treaty of Rome!
Fuck me, have I lucked out with the weather or WHAT
I cannot imagine a nicer thing than a free week (thank you, the French tax payer) touring the islands of Brittany in unfiltered summer sunshine, all exes paid, cars boats and hotels, plus oysters and kirs Breton included (kir Bretons? Sir Kirs Bretonnique?)
Heh
I think Kirs Breton is the more elegant formulation. As it is, I’m not massively keen on the drink (finding it too sweet). But, first world problems. Brittany is, as you say, lovely.
One or two are perfect around 4pm on a hot afternoon, in my experience, the sweetness is perhaps akin to the desire for a scone and jam and cream at British teatime, never a bad thing - but I prefer the alcohol
Brittany is seriously lovely, It may be my new favourite region of France, overtaking Languedoc and the Basque Country
The only bits I have left to explore are parts of Normandy and the eastern fringe, tho I have been there a fair amount
The roads are, as you say, astonishingly good. They actually have beautiful roundabouts. Who the fuck has beautiful roundabouts??? Not even Switzerland or the richest corners of the USA - Connecticut- SOCA - have beautiful roundabouts. I imagine some peculiar French college of roundabout design possibly in the Cevennes or near Amboise which has been going since Louis XI expressed a need for more lovely turnpikes in the 1530s, and which still prevails
Indeed there is probably a French Guild of Roundabout Designers who elect a dozen Immortals every year but recently they are feeling threatened by South Korean motorway verge dudes so they are all going to vote Nazi
Beautiful roads, great railways. etc. That's what 45% GDP tax rates get you.
I will get shouted down on here but I'd rather pay 45% GDP and have great infrastructure than 36% GDP and have the shite we have got in this country.
I am tempted to agree. Given that Britain is now close to France on tax rates I would like us to have beautiful French towns, roads and railways and hospitals. Just do it
Honestly, if that is Skyr Toolmakersson’s intention with his 900 majority, just get on and do it. And I will cope. Sadly I fear we are going to end up with EU tax rates and US public services, and oodles and oodles of Woke
A lot of things work better in the States. New Haven, CT, City Hall picked up the phone after 4 rings when my wife called about her absentee ballot for November. We have never been able to get anyone at the Ashford Borough Council “Helpline” to actually answer. And no postal ballot for our election has arrived yet either,
OT: The more and more people I talk to, the more I think the story of this election is still Partygate.
The thing that annoyed middle England like nothing else - that anecdotally has turned away so many people’s ‘lifelong Tory uncles/aunts’ - is probably more responsible than anything that happened since.
And here is something that might reverberate.
If the Tories do end up on 0-50 seats: Might it improve the public standards/accountability of governments for years to come?
If ‘Partygate wot lost it’ becomes the narrative going forward - including other conduct related scandals - I imagine governments will become far far less tolerant of sloppy conduct - things like Gamblergate. Internal discipline will have to increase. Govts with huge majorities will no longer thing they are invulnerable - “Remember what happened to the Tories in 2024?”
This might be an optimistic take on things. But regardless of your political persuasion, I think it would send a strong “Don’t mess with the British public” message for future governments of all stripes - and that can only be good for us all.
Well "partygate" is such an issue because many of the british feel they were conned with the covid lockdowns and are ashamed of their part in it (for example letting people die alone). Interestingly this was where the biggest opposition to partygate came from from those who let their relatives die alone. But a large part of this is shame they let their loved ones die alone on the orders of the british state. This toxic shame leads to overwhelming hatred for those who enforced the measures/conned them.
You are so embarrassingly bad at this I almost feel sorry for you.
Indeed. Do they not have capitalisation of proper nouns in Russia?
Remember - not Russian, but likely Nigerian or elsewhere in Africa.
OT: The more and more people I talk to, the more I think the story of this election is still Partygate.
The thing that annoyed middle England like nothing else - that anecdotally has turned away so many people’s ‘lifelong Tory uncles/aunts’ - is probably more responsible than anything that happened since.
And here is something that might reverberate.
If the Tories do end up on 0-50 seats: Might it improve the public standards/accountability of governments for years to come?
If ‘Partygate wot lost it’ becomes the narrative going forward - including other conduct related scandals - I imagine governments will become far far less tolerant of sloppy conduct - things like Gamblergate. Internal discipline will have to increase. Govts with huge majorities will no longer thing they are invulnerable - “Remember what happened to the Tories in 2024?”
This might be an optimistic take on things. But regardless of your political persuasion, I think it would send a strong “Don’t mess with the British public” message for future governments of all stripes - and that can only be good for us all.
Hard to underestimate the sewage stuff too. That has seriously angered people.
Wrongly, in the main: we are just measuring it better. But the government has such shit comms no one knows that.
No, I don’t think that’s true. People were genuinely proud of the clean up of the rivers and beaches through the 70s and 80s and into the 90s. But between agricultural pollution and developments not being adequately served through investment from water companies alot of the progress has been undone. Tories who invariably refer to regulation as unnecessary red tape have been found out, Especially after promising Brexit would result in enhanced standards, something that was always a risible claim.
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Reform up but Tories will be relieved their lead over Reform for 2nd is 10% ie double the 5% lead Reform have over the LDs for 3rd
Why should the Tories be relieved ? They will lose and then have to rebuild a party.
Actually that is inevitable and I may be mistaken but I cannot see much change in the polling over the next 12 days
I suppose it will all come down to the 'hovering pen' over the ballot paper
For me I just want Starmer in no 10 and for the country to move on
Twelve days? You are Laura K and I claim by fiver.
It is 12 days to the 5th July
It is nine and a bit days until polling day.
24,25,26,27,28,29,30,01,02,03,04 and result day 05 = 12 days
I am getting flashbacks to arguments with my daughter about how to count steps.
In 1 day it is the 25th, tomorrow not today, so it is 11 days until Friday evening, the day after the election.
Do you count today or not is always a matter of some debate.
For me the debate is wrapped up by thinking its nearly 7pm and I've got a beer open, so no, today is done.
Had you said this at 8am this morning, I'd have looked at needing to work today and said yes today has to be counted.
Bear in mind my daughter was five at the time, and I think you may want to reconsider your answer. In 1 day from 8am on a day it will then be 8am on the next day. Tomorrow.
A flat floor is not a flight of stairs with 1 step.
1 day from 8am is 8am tomorrow, if we're going full 24 hour units, but today is a day which hasn't happened yet then too so if we're counting discrete days and not hours, then today ought to be counted.
So if we are going off discrete days the question becomes whether you round up, or round down, essentially.
Many years ago I worked in a business which very strictly operated on this principle for dating products. If a product was dated 8 days from now, then that would be a week today. Why? Because today always has to be counted was the rule. If it was dating products for 2 days, that would be today and tomorrow. If something was dated 1 day then that means by close of business today.
All day today and then all day tomorrow ≠ 1 day.
The context was the statement, "12 days until PM Starmer."
You may have whatever strange definitions you want for other contexts, but in that context, we are effectively counting the gaps between days, because we are counting a duration of time from one point, "now" to a specific point, "then", which will be some time relatively early on July 5th - not until the end of July 5th.
Today is a day.
Tomorrow is a day.
Today and tomorrow is two days.
The election is on day eleven, but the results come out overnight and in day 12 we will have PM Starmer.
If you want to count the gaps, then you can count the nights. 11 more nights. But like with a holiday you can get 5 days but 4 nights.
Really?
How many days until PM Starmer?
What is your answer?
Since its now 8pm I'll say 11.
If you'd asked at 8am I'd say 12.
I'm looking at booking my holiday for next year, we're looking at booking a 5 day, 4 night break. I'd be pissed off if I only got 4 days there.
Yes. Those are two different contexts for use of the word day, as I explained earlier. This isn't unusual for English, why is that so difficult for you to understand?
If we assume the PM switch happens at 11am on July 5th then it's just over ten and a half days until PM Starmer, though typically people would say 11 days whatever time that question was asked today.
Thinking more about this, I think the old-fashioned way of saying something like this would be, "It's eleven days until the day we expect Starmer becomes PM."
But anyway, this is exactly analogous to counting steps on a flight of stairs, and surely you don't count a single step as two?
You're right I don't count any step as 2, I count each as 1 - but you don't discount any either.
Just as I'd say my house has 2 stories in it, the ground floor and the top floor. You don't discount any either.
Looking at the days between now and when Starmer comes in, the total is 12.
No double counting necessary, just single counting each day. Only way you get to less than 12 is by discounting either today or the 5th or both.
It's already today. So on one day it is tomorrow. That's why you count one day less in this context.
In your house you move one floor up to get from the ground floor to the upper floor. Not two.
We are counting the time between two days, not counting the days themselves. Do you not see?
No, we are not. You are, but that wasn't the original quote. The original quote was "over the next 12 days".
Over a period of time includes today. If I say on Monday morning in a meeting that over the next five days we have to get x, y and z done - then it has to be done by Friday, not a week on Monday.
Today is day one of the next 12 days. Tomorrow is day two. We aren't talking steps, we're counting all the time - at the time the quote was made there were still polls to come out today, as well as polls to come out tomorrow and ultimately the actual poll that counts on day 12.
Fuck me, have I lucked out with the weather or WHAT
I cannot imagine a nicer thing than a free week (thank you, the French tax payer) touring the islands of Brittany in unfiltered summer sunshine, all exes paid, cars boats and hotels, plus oysters and kirs Breton included (kir Bretons? Sir Kirs Bretonnique?)
Heh
I think Kirs Breton is the more elegant formulation. As it is, I’m not massively keen on the drink (finding it too sweet). But, first world problems. Brittany is, as you say, lovely.
One or two are perfect around 4pm on a hot afternoon, in my experience, the sweetness is perhaps akin to the desire for a scone and jam and cream at British teatime, never a bad thing - but I prefer the alcohol
Brittany is seriously lovely, It may be my new favourite region of France, overtaking Languedoc and the Basque Country
The only bits I have left to explore are parts of Normandy and the eastern fringe, tho I have been there a fair amount
The roads are, as you say, astonishingly good. They actually have beautiful roundabouts. Who the fuck has beautiful roundabouts??? Not even Switzerland or the richest corners of the USA - Connecticut- SOCA - have beautiful roundabouts. I imagine some peculiar French college of roundabout design possibly in the Cevennes or near Amboise which has been going since Louis XI expressed a need for more lovely turnpikes in the 1530s, and which still prevails
Indeed there is probably a French Guild of Roundabout Designers who elect a dozen Immortals every year but recently they are feeling threatened by South Korean motorway verge dudes so they are all going to vote Nazi
Ha! The roundabouts are indeed perfect. I do think they take their obsession with presentation to extremes (which is why they get mocked for it). But on the other hand, it makes the country what it is.
OT: The more and more people I talk to, the more I think the story of this election is still Partygate.
The thing that annoyed middle England like nothing else - that anecdotally has turned away so many people’s ‘lifelong Tory uncles/aunts’ - is probably more responsible than anything that happened since.
And here is something that might reverberate.
If the Tories do end up on 0-50 seats: Might it improve the public standards/accountability of governments for years to come?
If ‘Partygate wot lost it’ becomes the narrative going forward - including other conduct related scandals - I imagine governments will become far far less tolerant of sloppy conduct - things like Gamblergate. Internal discipline will have to increase. Govts with huge majorities will no longer thing they are invulnerable - “Remember what happened to the Tories in 2024?”
This might be an optimistic take on things. But regardless of your political persuasion, I think it would send a strong “Don’t mess with the British public” message for future governments of all stripes - and that can only be good for us all.
Hard to underestimate the sewage stuff too. That has seriously angered people.
And yet the 'sewage stuff' might all just be data measurement issues...
I don’t think so. Number of recorded events suggest otherwise.
The Rivers Trust says: However, even taking this into consideration, there’s no denying that 2023 was worse than 2021 for sewage spills. For England alone, last year was the worst on record for sewage spills – untreated sewage was discharged for over double the total number of hours than 2022, and over 163,000 more discharges counted.
Fuck me, have I lucked out with the weather or WHAT
I cannot imagine a nicer thing than a free week (thank you, the French tax payer) touring the islands of Brittany in unfiltered summer sunshine, all exes paid, cars boats and hotels, plus oysters and kirs Breton included (kir Bretons? Sir Kirs Bretonnique?)
Heh
Seriously. What is the plural for a kir Breton?
My heads says Kirs Breton but my heart says that is somehow pretentious. I may need this essential lingo if the weather prevails this fine and I need lots of refreshment
OT: The more and more people I talk to, the more I think the story of this election is still Partygate.
The thing that annoyed middle England like nothing else - that anecdotally has turned away so many people’s ‘lifelong Tory uncles/aunts’ - is probably more responsible than anything that happened since.
And here is something that might reverberate.
If the Tories do end up on 0-50 seats: Might it improve the public standards/accountability of governments for years to come?
If ‘Partygate wot lost it’ becomes the narrative going forward - including other conduct related scandals - I imagine governments will become far far less tolerant of sloppy conduct - things like Gamblergate. Internal discipline will have to increase. Govts with huge majorities will no longer thing they are invulnerable - “Remember what happened to the Tories in 2024?”
This might be an optimistic take on things. But regardless of your political persuasion, I think it would send a strong “Don’t mess with the British public” message for future governments of all stripes - and that can only be good for us all.
Hard to underestimate the sewage stuff too. That has seriously angered people.
Wrongly, in the main: we are just measuring it better. But the government has such shit comms no one knows that.
They would complaining ten times as much if water bills were increased enough to stop it. Even the Thames Water Crossrail Tribute tunnel will only reduce storm discharge of turds etc. just reduce them.
The prison population in the UK is expected to rise to 115000 , from 85000 at present. The cost of one year of incarceration is £50,000 per year. So as far as I can work out the cost of this rise would be £1.5 billion per year.
OT: The more and more people I talk to, the more I think the story of this election is still Partygate.
The thing that annoyed middle England like nothing else - that anecdotally has turned away so many people’s ‘lifelong Tory uncles/aunts’ - is probably more responsible than anything that happened since.
And here is something that might reverberate.
If the Tories do end up on 0-50 seats: Might it improve the public standards/accountability of governments for years to come?
If ‘Partygate wot lost it’ becomes the narrative going forward - including other conduct related scandals - I imagine governments will become far far less tolerant of sloppy conduct - things like Gamblergate. Internal discipline will have to increase. Govts with huge majorities will no longer thing they are invulnerable - “Remember what happened to the Tories in 2024?”
This might be an optimistic take on things. But regardless of your political persuasion, I think it would send a strong “Don’t mess with the British public” message for future governments of all stripes - and that can only be good for us all.
Hard to underestimate the sewage stuff too. That has seriously angered people.
Wrongly, in the main: we are just measuring it better. But the government has such shit comms no one knows that.
No, I don’t think that’s true. People were genuinely proud of the clean up of the rivers and beaches through the 70s and 80s and into the 90s. But between agricultural pollution and developments not being adequately served through investment from water companies alot of the progress has been undone. Tories who invariably refer to regulation as unnecessary red tape have been found out, Especially after promising Brexit would result in enhanced standards, something that was always a risible claim.
E.g e-coli from water sources continues its decline
Swimming now is vastly safer than when we were children, and I was a child in the 90s.
OT: The more and more people I talk to, the more I think the story of this election is still Partygate.
The thing that annoyed middle England like nothing else - that anecdotally has turned away so many people’s ‘lifelong Tory uncles/aunts’ - is probably more responsible than anything that happened since.
And here is something that might reverberate.
If the Tories do end up on 0-50 seats: Might it improve the public standards/accountability of governments for years to come?
If ‘Partygate wot lost it’ becomes the narrative going forward - including other conduct related scandals - I imagine governments will become far far less tolerant of sloppy conduct - things like Gamblergate. Internal discipline will have to increase. Govts with huge majorities will no longer thing they are invulnerable - “Remember what happened to the Tories in 2024?”
This might be an optimistic take on things. But regardless of your political persuasion, I think it would send a strong “Don’t mess with the British public” message for future governments of all stripes - and that can only be good for us all.
Hard to underestimate the sewage stuff too. That has seriously angered people.
And yet the 'sewage stuff' might all just be data measurement issues...
I think it’s got worse recently but also we only know it’s got worse because they are forced to measure and report it. I simply cannot square the dead rivers of the 1970s being somehow cleaner than those of 2024, albeit there are specific issues in some places. Many rivers 50 years ago were essentially dead, now salmon and trout have returned all over the land.
The prison population in the UK is expected to rise to 115000 , from 85000 at present. The cost of one year of incarceration is £50,000 per year. So as far as I can work out the cost of this rise would be £1.5 billion per year.
So bringing back the death penallty for things like walking on the cracks on the pavement would save the exchequer a fortune?
OT: The more and more people I talk to, the more I think the story of this election is still Partygate.
The thing that annoyed middle England like nothing else - that anecdotally has turned away so many people’s ‘lifelong Tory uncles/aunts’ - is probably more responsible than anything that happened since.
And here is something that might reverberate.
If the Tories do end up on 0-50 seats: Might it improve the public standards of governments for decades to come?
If it becomes the narrative going forward, I imagine governments will become far far less tolerant of things like Gamblergate. Internal discipline will have to increase. Govts with huge majorities will no longer thing they are invulnerable - “Remember what happened to the Tories in 2024?”
This might be an optimistic take on things. But regardless of your political persuasion, I think it would send a strong “Don’t mess with the British public” message for future governments of all stripes - and that can only be good for us all.
I think the root causes of the election result, the Tories’ collapse, as austerity, Brexit and Partygate. And I suspect the Conservative Party will conclude that the root cause is that they didn’t talk enough about immigration and tax cuts.
What austerity? They have hosed money at voters - look at the size of the National Debt.
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Reform up but Tories will be relieved their lead over Reform for 2nd is 10% ie double the 5% lead Reform have over the LDs for 3rd
Why should the Tories be relieved ? They will lose and then have to rebuild a party.
Actually that is inevitable and I may be mistaken but I cannot see much change in the polling over the next 12 days
I suppose it will all come down to the 'hovering pen' over the ballot paper
For me I just want Starmer in no 10 and for the country to move on
Twelve days? You are Laura K and I claim by fiver.
It is 12 days to the 5th July
It is nine and a bit days until polling day.
24,25,26,27,28,29,30,01,02,03,04 and result day 05 = 12 days
I am getting flashbacks to arguments with my daughter about how to count steps.
In 1 day it is the 25th, tomorrow not today, so it is 11 days until Friday evening, the day after the election.
Do you count today or not is always a matter of some debate.
For me the debate is wrapped up by thinking its nearly 7pm and I've got a beer open, so no, today is done.
Had you said this at 8am this morning, I'd have looked at needing to work today and said yes today has to be counted.
Bear in mind my daughter was five at the time, and I think you may want to reconsider your answer. In 1 day from 8am on a day it will then be 8am on the next day. Tomorrow.
A flat floor is not a flight of stairs with 1 step.
1 day from 8am is 8am tomorrow, if we're going full 24 hour units, but today is a day which hasn't happened yet then too so if we're counting discrete days and not hours, then today ought to be counted.
So if we are going off discrete days the question becomes whether you round up, or round down, essentially.
Many years ago I worked in a business which very strictly operated on this principle for dating products. If a product was dated 8 days from now, then that would be a week today. Why? Because today always has to be counted was the rule. If it was dating products for 2 days, that would be today and tomorrow. If something was dated 1 day then that means by close of business today.
All day today and then all day tomorrow ≠ 1 day.
The context was the statement, "12 days until PM Starmer."
You may have whatever strange definitions you want for other contexts, but in that context, we are effectively counting the gaps between days, because we are counting a duration of time from one point, "now" to a specific point, "then", which will be some time relatively early on July 5th - not until the end of July 5th.
Today is a day.
Tomorrow is a day.
Today and tomorrow is two days.
The election is on day eleven, but the results come out overnight and in day 12 we will have PM Starmer.
If you want to count the gaps, then you can count the nights. 11 more nights. But like with a holiday you can get 5 days but 4 nights.
Really?
How many days until PM Starmer?
What is your answer?
Since its now 8pm I'll say 11.
If you'd asked at 8am I'd say 12.
I'm looking at booking my holiday for next year, we're looking at booking a 5 day, 4 night break. I'd be pissed off if I only got 4 days there.
Yes. Those are two different contexts for use of the word day, as I explained earlier. This isn't unusual for English, why is that so difficult for you to understand?
If we assume the PM switch happens at 11am on July 5th then it's just over ten and a half days until PM Starmer, though typically people would say 11 days whatever time that question was asked today.
Thinking more about this, I think the old-fashioned way of saying something like this would be, "It's eleven days until the day we expect Starmer becomes PM."
But anyway, this is exactly analogous to counting steps on a flight of stairs, and surely you don't count a single step as two?
You're right I don't count any step as 2, I count each as 1 - but you don't discount any either.
Just as I'd say my house has 2 stories in it, the ground floor and the top floor. You don't discount any either.
Looking at the days between now and when Starmer comes in, the total is 12.
No double counting necessary, just single counting each day. Only way you get to less than 12 is by discounting either today or the 5th or both.
It's already today. So on one day it is tomorrow. That's why you count one day less in this context.
In your house you move one floor up to get from the ground floor to the upper floor. Not two.
We are counting the time between two days, not counting the days themselves. Do you not see?
No, we are not. You are, but that wasn't the original quote. The original quote was "over the next 12 days".
Over a period of time includes today. If I say on Monday morning in a meeting that over the next five days we have to get x, y and z done - then it has to be done by Friday, not a week on Monday.
Today is day one of the next 12 days. Tomorrow is day two. We aren't talking steps, we're counting all the time - at the time the quote was made there were still polls to come out today, as well as polls to come out tomorrow and ultimately the actual poll that counts on day 12.
Most people do not include the current day. If you gave most people five days from 9.10 pm today they would expect it to be a Saturday deadline.
OT: The more and more people I talk to, the more I think the story of this election is still Partygate.
The thing that annoyed middle England like nothing else - that anecdotally has turned away so many people’s ‘lifelong Tory uncles/aunts’ - is probably more responsible than anything that happened since.
And here is something that might reverberate.
If the Tories do end up on 0-50 seats: Might it improve the public standards/accountability of governments for years to come?
If ‘Partygate wot lost it’ becomes the narrative going forward - including other conduct related scandals - I imagine governments will become far far less tolerant of sloppy conduct - things like Gamblergate. Internal discipline will have to increase. Govts with huge majorities will no longer thing they are invulnerable - “Remember what happened to the Tories in 2024?”
This might be an optimistic take on things. But regardless of your political persuasion, I think it would send a strong “Don’t mess with the British public” message for future governments of all stripes - and that can only be good for us all.
Hard to underestimate the sewage stuff too. That has seriously angered people.
And yet the 'sewage stuff' might all just be data measurement issues...
I don’t think so. Number of recorded events suggest otherwise.
The Rivers Trust says: However, even taking this into consideration, there’s no denying that 2023 was worse than 2021 for sewage spills. For England alone, last year was the worst on record for sewage spills – untreated sewage was discharged for over double the total number of hours than 2022, and over 163,000 more discharges counted.
Government has made water companies put measurement devices on all outflows recently. That is why more hours are being measured. Previously, many outflows measured 0 hours, simply because there was no measurement. Progress!
OT: The more and more people I talk to, the more I think the story of this election is still Partygate.
The thing that annoyed middle England like nothing else - that anecdotally has turned away so many people’s ‘lifelong Tory uncles/aunts’ - is probably more responsible than anything that happened since.
And here is something that might reverberate.
If the Tories do end up on 0-50 seats: Might it improve the public standards/accountability of governments for years to come?
If ‘Partygate wot lost it’ becomes the narrative going forward - including other conduct related scandals - I imagine governments will become far far less tolerant of sloppy conduct - things like Gamblergate. Internal discipline will have to increase. Govts with huge majorities will no longer thing they are invulnerable - “Remember what happened to the Tories in 2024?”
This might be an optimistic take on things. But regardless of your political persuasion, I think it would send a strong “Don’t mess with the British public” message for future governments of all stripes - and that can only be good for us all.
Hard to underestimate the sewage to stuff too. That has seriously angered people.
And yet the 'sewage stuff' might all just be data measurement issues...
Whether it has got (even) worse just lately or the monitoring has just got better is immaterial. It doesn't change the fact that it is happening, the reason it is happening is that the water firms have been bled white in order to feed profits to the Emirate of Dubai and the Ontario Teacher's Pension Fund, and that they now want to impose enormous price hikes to fix the damage entirely at the expense of the put upon consumer, as opposed to Canadian pensioners or oil sheikhs.
The chickens (and their vast quantities of shit dumped into various waterways) have come home to roost under a Conservative Government, and in this instance the entire problem originated under another Conservative Government that created these businesses in the first place. It's small wonder that the many, many people who are royally pissed off about this may not entirely trust a Conservative Government to put it all to rights.
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Reform up but Tories will be relieved their lead over Reform for 2nd is 10% ie double the 5% lead Reform have over the LDs for 3rd
Why should the Tories be relieved ? They will lose and then have to rebuild a party.
Actually that is inevitable and I may be mistaken but I cannot see much change in the polling over the next 12 days
I suppose it will all come down to the 'hovering pen' over the ballot paper
For me I just want Starmer in no 10 and for the country to move on
Twelve days? You are Laura K and I claim by fiver.
It is 12 days to the 5th July
It is nine and a bit days until polling day.
24,25,26,27,28,29,30,01,02,03,04 and result day 05 = 12 days
I am getting flashbacks to arguments with my daughter about how to count steps.
In 1 day it is the 25th, tomorrow not today, so it is 11 days until Friday evening, the day after the election.
Do you count today or not is always a matter of some debate.
For me the debate is wrapped up by thinking its nearly 7pm and I've got a beer open, so no, today is done.
Had you said this at 8am this morning, I'd have looked at needing to work today and said yes today has to be counted.
Bear in mind my daughter was five at the time, and I think you may want to reconsider your answer. In 1 day from 8am on a day it will then be 8am on the next day. Tomorrow.
A flat floor is not a flight of stairs with 1 step.
1 day from 8am is 8am tomorrow, if we're going full 24 hour units, but today is a day which hasn't happened yet then too so if we're counting discrete days and not hours, then today ought to be counted.
So if we are going off discrete days the question becomes whether you round up, or round down, essentially.
Many years ago I worked in a business which very strictly operated on this principle for dating products. If a product was dated 8 days from now, then that would be a week today. Why? Because today always has to be counted was the rule. If it was dating products for 2 days, that would be today and tomorrow. If something was dated 1 day then that means by close of business today.
All day today and then all day tomorrow ≠ 1 day.
The context was the statement, "12 days until PM Starmer."
You may have whatever strange definitions you want for other contexts, but in that context, we are effectively counting the gaps between days, because we are counting a duration of time from one point, "now" to a specific point, "then", which will be some time relatively early on July 5th - not until the end of July 5th.
Today is a day.
Tomorrow is a day.
Today and tomorrow is two days.
The election is on day eleven, but the results come out overnight and in day 12 we will have PM Starmer.
If you want to count the gaps, then you can count the nights. 11 more nights. But like with a holiday you can get 5 days but 4 nights.
Really?
How many days until PM Starmer?
What is your answer?
Since its now 8pm I'll say 11.
If you'd asked at 8am I'd say 12.
I'm looking at booking my holiday for next year, we're looking at booking a 5 day, 4 night break. I'd be pissed off if I only got 4 days there.
Yes. Those are two different contexts for use of the word day, as I explained earlier. This isn't unusual for English, why is that so difficult for you to understand?
If we assume the PM switch happens at 11am on July 5th then it's just over ten and a half days until PM Starmer, though typically people would say 11 days whatever time that question was asked today.
Thinking more about this, I think the old-fashioned way of saying something like this would be, "It's eleven days until the day we expect Starmer becomes PM."
But anyway, this is exactly analogous to counting steps on a flight of stairs, and surely you don't count a single step as two?
You're right I don't count any step as 2, I count each as 1 - but you don't discount any either.
Just as I'd say my house has 2 stories in it, the ground floor and the top floor. You don't discount any either.
Looking at the days between now and when Starmer comes in, the total is 12.
No double counting necessary, just single counting each day. Only way you get to less than 12 is by discounting either today or the 5th or both.
It's already today. So on one day it is tomorrow. That's why you count one day less in this context.
In your house you move one floor up to get from the ground floor to the upper floor. Not two.
We are counting the time between two days, not counting the days themselves. Do you not see?
No, we are not. You are, but that wasn't the original quote. The original quote was "over the next 12 days".
Over a period of time includes today. If I say on Monday morning in a meeting that over the next five days we have to get x, y and z done - then it has to be done by Friday, not a week on Monday.
Today is day one of the next 12 days. Tomorrow is day two. We aren't talking steps, we're counting all the time - at the time the quote was made there were still polls to come out today, as well as polls to come out tomorrow and ultimately the actual poll that counts on day 12.
Most people do not include the current day. If you gave most people five days from 9.10 pm today they would expect it to be a Saturday deadline.
Jeez. This debate is starting to give the dispute about the Filoque a run for its money as poisonous debates about pedantic semantics go.
The prison population in the UK is expected to rise to 115000 , from 85000 at present. The cost of one year of incarceration is £50,000 per year. So as far as I can work out the cost of this rise would be £1.5 billion per year.
I'm increasingly unconvinced it's much of an answer, to be honest.
OT: The more and more people I talk to, the more I think the story of this election is still Partygate.
The thing that annoyed middle England like nothing else - that anecdotally has turned away so many people’s ‘lifelong Tory uncles/aunts’ - is probably more responsible than anything that happened since.
And here is something that might reverberate.
If the Tories do end up on 0-50 seats: Might it improve the public standards/accountability of governments for years to come?
If ‘Partygate wot lost it’ becomes the narrative going forward - including other conduct related scandals - I imagine governments will become far far less tolerant of sloppy conduct - things like Gamblergate. Internal discipline will have to increase. Govts with huge majorities will no longer thing they are invulnerable - “Remember what happened to the Tories in 2024?”
This might be an optimistic take on things. But regardless of your political persuasion, I think it would send a strong “Don’t mess with the British public” message for future governments of all stripes - and that can only be good for us all.
Hard to underestimate the sewage to stuff too. That has seriously angered people.
And yet the 'sewage stuff' might all just be data measurement issues...
Whether it has got (even) worse just lately or the monitoring has just got better is immaterial. It doesn't change the fact that it is happening, the reason it is happening is that the water firms have been bled white in order to feed profits to the Emirate of Dubai and the Ontario Teacher's Pension Fund, and that they now want to impose enormous price hikes to fix the damage entirely at the expense of the put upon consumer, as opposed to Canadian pensioners or oil sheikhs.
The chickens (and their vast quantities of shit dumped into various waterways) have come home to roost under a Conservative Government, and in this instance the entire problem originated under another Conservative Government that created these businesses in the first place. It's small wonder that the many, many people who are royally pissed off about this may not entirely trust a Conservative Government to put it all to rights.
Correct. One can criticise the structure and behaviour of the privatised water system and its actors without these delusions about sewage. There are plenty of grounds on which to do so.
Fuck me, have I lucked out with the weather or WHAT
I cannot imagine a nicer thing than a free week (thank you, the French tax payer) touring the islands of Brittany in unfiltered summer sunshine, all exes paid, cars boats and hotels, plus oysters and kirs Breton included (kir Bretons? Sir Kirs Bretonnique?)
Heh
I think Kirs Breton is the more elegant formulation. As it is, I’m not massively keen on the drink (finding it too sweet). But, first world problems. Brittany is, as you say, lovely.
One or two are perfect around 4pm on a hot afternoon, in my experience, the sweetness is perhaps akin to the desire for a scone and jam and cream at British teatime, never a bad thing - but I prefer the alcohol
Brittany is seriously lovely, It may be my new favourite region of France, overtaking Languedoc and the Basque Country
The only bits I have left to explore are parts of Normandy and the eastern fringe, tho I have been there a fair amount
The roads are, as you say, astonishingly good. They actually have beautiful roundabouts. Who the fuck has beautiful roundabouts??? Not even Switzerland or the richest corners of the USA - Connecticut- SOCA - have beautiful roundabouts. I imagine some peculiar French college of roundabout design possibly in the Cevennes or near Amboise which has been going since Louis XI expressed a need for more lovely turnpikes in the 1530s, and which still prevails
Indeed there is probably a French Guild of Roundabout Designers who elect a dozen Immortals every year but recently they are feeling threatened by South Korean motorway verge dudes so they are all going to vote Nazi
Beautiful roads, great railways. etc. That's what 45% GDP tax rates get you.
I will get shouted down on here but I'd rather pay 45% GDP and have great infrastructure than 36% GDP and have the shite we have got in this country.
I am tempted to agree. Given that Britain is now close to France on tax rates I would like us to have beautiful French towns, roads and railways and hospitals. Just do it
Honestly, if that is Skyr Toolmakersson’s intention with his 900 majority, just get on and do it. And I will cope. Sadly I fear we are going to end up with EU tax rates and US public services, and oodles and oodles of Woke
OT: The more and more people I talk to, the more I think the story of this election is still Partygate.
The thing that annoyed middle England like nothing else - that anecdotally has turned away so many people’s ‘lifelong Tory uncles/aunts’ - is probably more responsible than anything that happened since.
And here is something that might reverberate.
If the Tories do end up on 0-50 seats: Might it improve the public standards/accountability of governments for years to come?
If ‘Partygate wot lost it’ becomes the narrative going forward - including other conduct related scandals - I imagine governments will become far far less tolerant of sloppy conduct - things like Gamblergate. Internal discipline will have to increase. Govts with huge majorities will no longer thing they are invulnerable - “Remember what happened to the Tories in 2024?”
This might be an optimistic take on things. But regardless of your political persuasion, I think it would send a strong “Don’t mess with the British public” message for future governments of all stripes - and that can only be good for us all.
Hard to underestimate the sewage to stuff too. That has seriously angered people.
And yet the 'sewage stuff' might all just be data measurement issues...
Whether it has got (even) worse just lately or the monitoring has just got better is immaterial. It doesn't change the fact that it is happening, the reason it is happening is that the water firms have been bled white in order to feed profits to the Emirate of Dubai and the Ontario Teacher's Pension Fund, and that they now want to impose enormous price hikes to fix the damage entirely at the expense of the put upon consumer, as opposed to Canadian pensioners or oil sheikhs.
The chickens (and their vast quantities of shit dumped into various waterways) have come home to roost under a Conservative Government, and in this instance the entire problem originated under another Conservative Government that created these businesses in the first place. It's small wonder that the many, many people who are royally pissed off about this may not entirely trust a Conservative Government to put it all to rights.
It’s no5 just the water firms fault though. Near my house there was a plot of land that had four new builds put on it. And the whole space around them (not back gardens, but all the other space) just tarmaced. All that enhanced run off. A lot of the issue (not all) is heavy rain plus greater run off from developments like this (completed in 2023!).
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Reform up but Tories will be relieved their lead over Reform for 2nd is 10% ie double the 5% lead Reform have over the LDs for 3rd
Why should the Tories be relieved ? They will lose and then have to rebuild a party.
Actually that is inevitable and I may be mistaken but I cannot see much change in the polling over the next 12 days
I suppose it will all come down to the 'hovering pen' over the ballot paper
For me I just want Starmer in no 10 and for the country to move on
Twelve days? You are Laura K and I claim by fiver.
It is 12 days to the 5th July
It is nine and a bit days until polling day.
24,25,26,27,28,29,30,01,02,03,04 and result day 05 = 12 days
I am getting flashbacks to arguments with my daughter about how to count steps.
In 1 day it is the 25th, tomorrow not today, so it is 11 days until Friday evening, the day after the election.
Do you count today or not is always a matter of some debate.
For me the debate is wrapped up by thinking its nearly 7pm and I've got a beer open, so no, today is done.
Had you said this at 8am this morning, I'd have looked at needing to work today and said yes today has to be counted.
Bear in mind my daughter was five at the time, and I think you may want to reconsider your answer. In 1 day from 8am on a day it will then be 8am on the next day. Tomorrow.
A flat floor is not a flight of stairs with 1 step.
1 day from 8am is 8am tomorrow, if we're going full 24 hour units, but today is a day which hasn't happened yet then too so if we're counting discrete days and not hours, then today ought to be counted.
So if we are going off discrete days the question becomes whether you round up, or round down, essentially.
Many years ago I worked in a business which very strictly operated on this principle for dating products. If a product was dated 8 days from now, then that would be a week today. Why? Because today always has to be counted was the rule. If it was dating products for 2 days, that would be today and tomorrow. If something was dated 1 day then that means by close of business today.
All day today and then all day tomorrow ≠ 1 day.
The context was the statement, "12 days until PM Starmer."
You may have whatever strange definitions you want for other contexts, but in that context, we are effectively counting the gaps between days, because we are counting a duration of time from one point, "now" to a specific point, "then", which will be some time relatively early on July 5th - not until the end of July 5th.
Today is a day.
Tomorrow is a day.
Today and tomorrow is two days.
The election is on day eleven, but the results come out overnight and in day 12 we will have PM Starmer.
If you want to count the gaps, then you can count the nights. 11 more nights. But like with a holiday you can get 5 days but 4 nights.
Really?
How many days until PM Starmer?
What is your answer?
Since its now 8pm I'll say 11.
If you'd asked at 8am I'd say 12.
I'm looking at booking my holiday for next year, we're looking at booking a 5 day, 4 night break. I'd be pissed off if I only got 4 days there.
Yes. Those are two different contexts for use of the word day, as I explained earlier. This isn't unusual for English, why is that so difficult for you to understand?
If we assume the PM switch happens at 11am on July 5th then it's just over ten and a half days until PM Starmer, though typically people would say 11 days whatever time that question was asked today.
Thinking more about this, I think the old-fashioned way of saying something like this would be, "It's eleven days until the day we expect Starmer becomes PM."
But anyway, this is exactly analogous to counting steps on a flight of stairs, and surely you don't count a single step as two?
You're right I don't count any step as 2, I count each as 1 - but you don't discount any either.
Just as I'd say my house has 2 stories in it, the ground floor and the top floor. You don't discount any either.
Looking at the days between now and when Starmer comes in, the total is 12.
No double counting necessary, just single counting each day. Only way you get to less than 12 is by discounting either today or the 5th or both.
It's already today. So on one day it is tomorrow. That's why you count one day less in this context.
In your house you move one floor up to get from the ground floor to the upper floor. Not two.
We are counting the time between two days, not counting the days themselves. Do you not see?
No, we are not. You are, but that wasn't the original quote. The original quote was "over the next 12 days".
Over a period of time includes today. If I say on Monday morning in a meeting that over the next five days we have to get x, y and z done - then it has to be done by Friday, not a week on Monday.
Today is day one of the next 12 days. Tomorrow is day two. We aren't talking steps, we're counting all the time - at the time the quote was made there were still polls to come out today, as well as polls to come out tomorrow and ultimately the actual poll that counts on day 12.
Most people do not include the current day. If you gave most people five days from 9.10 pm today they would expect it to be a Saturday deadline.
Jeez. This debate is starting to give the dispute about the Filoque a run for its money as poisonous debates about pedantic semantics go.
Don't let them get onto the subject of how many days until the start of autumn!
OT: The more and more people I talk to, the more I think the story of this election is still Partygate.
The thing that annoyed middle England like nothing else - that anecdotally has turned away so many people’s ‘lifelong Tory uncles/aunts’ - is probably more responsible than anything that happened since.
And here is something that might reverberate.
If the Tories do end up on 0-50 seats: Might it improve the public standards/accountability of governments for years to come?
If ‘Partygate wot lost it’ becomes the narrative going forward - including other conduct related scandals - I imagine governments will become far far less tolerant of sloppy conduct - things like Gamblergate. Internal discipline will have to increase. Govts with huge majorities will no longer thing they are invulnerable - “Remember what happened to the Tories in 2024?”
This might be an optimistic take on things. But regardless of your political persuasion, I think it would send a strong “Don’t mess with the British public” message for future governments of all stripes - and that can only be good for us all.
Hard to underestimate the sewage stuff too. That has seriously angered people.
And yet the 'sewage stuff' might all just be data measurement issues...
I don’t think so. Number of recorded events suggest otherwise.
The Rivers Trust says: However, even taking this into consideration, there’s no denying that 2023 was worse than 2021 for sewage spills. For England alone, last year was the worst on record for sewage spills – untreated sewage was discharged for over double the total number of hours than 2022, and over 163,000 more discharges counted.
Government has made water companies put measurement devices on all outflows recently. That is why more hours are being measured. Previously, many outflows measured 0 hours, simply because there was no measurement. Progress!
To understand a problem you must measure it. However measurement also tends to lead to distortion, as Tony Blair found out with GP appointments.
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Reform up but Tories will be relieved their lead over Reform for 2nd is 10% ie double the 5% lead Reform have over the LDs for 3rd
Why should the Tories be relieved ? They will lose and then have to rebuild a party.
Actually that is inevitable and I may be mistaken but I cannot see much change in the polling over the next 12 days
I suppose it will all come down to the 'hovering pen' over the ballot paper
For me I just want Starmer in no 10 and for the country to move on
Twelve days? You are Laura K and I claim by fiver.
It is 12 days to the 5th July
It is nine and a bit days until polling day.
24,25,26,27,28,29,30,01,02,03,04 and result day 05 = 12 days
I am getting flashbacks to arguments with my daughter about how to count steps.
In 1 day it is the 25th, tomorrow not today, so it is 11 days until Friday evening, the day after the election.
Do you count today or not is always a matter of some debate.
For me the debate is wrapped up by thinking its nearly 7pm and I've got a beer open, so no, today is done.
Had you said this at 8am this morning, I'd have looked at needing to work today and said yes today has to be counted.
Bear in mind my daughter was five at the time, and I think you may want to reconsider your answer. In 1 day from 8am on a day it will then be 8am on the next day. Tomorrow.
A flat floor is not a flight of stairs with 1 step.
1 day from 8am is 8am tomorrow, if we're going full 24 hour units, but today is a day which hasn't happened yet then too so if we're counting discrete days and not hours, then today ought to be counted.
So if we are going off discrete days the question becomes whether you round up, or round down, essentially.
Many years ago I worked in a business which very strictly operated on this principle for dating products. If a product was dated 8 days from now, then that would be a week today. Why? Because today always has to be counted was the rule. If it was dating products for 2 days, that would be today and tomorrow. If something was dated 1 day then that means by close of business today.
All day today and then all day tomorrow ≠ 1 day.
The context was the statement, "12 days until PM Starmer."
You may have whatever strange definitions you want for other contexts, but in that context, we are effectively counting the gaps between days, because we are counting a duration of time from one point, "now" to a specific point, "then", which will be some time relatively early on July 5th - not until the end of July 5th.
Today is a day.
Tomorrow is a day.
Today and tomorrow is two days.
The election is on day eleven, but the results come out overnight and in day 12 we will have PM Starmer.
If you want to count the gaps, then you can count the nights. 11 more nights. But like with a holiday you can get 5 days but 4 nights.
Really?
How many days until PM Starmer?
What is your answer?
Since its now 8pm I'll say 11.
If you'd asked at 8am I'd say 12.
I'm looking at booking my holiday for next year, we're looking at booking a 5 day, 4 night break. I'd be pissed off if I only got 4 days there.
Yes. Those are two different contexts for use of the word day, as I explained earlier. This isn't unusual for English, why is that so difficult for you to understand?
If we assume the PM switch happens at 11am on July 5th then it's just over ten and a half days until PM Starmer, though typically people would say 11 days whatever time that question was asked today.
Thinking more about this, I think the old-fashioned way of saying something like this would be, "It's eleven days until the day we expect Starmer becomes PM."
But anyway, this is exactly analogous to counting steps on a flight of stairs, and surely you don't count a single step as two?
You're right I don't count any step as 2, I count each as 1 - but you don't discount any either.
Just as I'd say my house has 2 stories in it, the ground floor and the top floor. You don't discount any either.
Looking at the days between now and when Starmer comes in, the total is 12.
No double counting necessary, just single counting each day. Only way you get to less than 12 is by discounting either today or the 5th or both.
It's already today. So on one day it is tomorrow. That's why you count one day less in this context.
In your house you move one floor up to get from the ground floor to the upper floor. Not two.
We are counting the time between two days, not counting the days themselves. Do you not see?
No, we are not. You are, but that wasn't the original quote. The original quote was "over the next 12 days".
Over a period of time includes today. If I say on Monday morning in a meeting that over the next five days we have to get x, y and z done - then it has to be done by Friday, not a week on Monday.
Today is day one of the next 12 days. Tomorrow is day two. We aren't talking steps, we're counting all the time - at the time the quote was made there were still polls to come out today, as well as polls to come out tomorrow and ultimately the actual poll that counts on day 12.
Most people do not include the current day. If you gave most people five days from 9.10 pm today they would expect it to be a Saturday deadline.
Jeez. This debate is starting to give the dispute about the Filoque a run for its money as poisonous debates about pedantic semantics go.
Don't let them get onto the subject of how many days until the start of autumn!
A perenial favourite. We’ve just had the start of summer (or not).
Fuck me, have I lucked out with the weather or WHAT
I cannot imagine a nicer thing than a free week (thank you, the French tax payer) touring the islands of Brittany in unfiltered summer sunshine, all exes paid, cars boats and hotels, plus oysters and kirs Breton included (kir Bretons? Sir Kirs Bretonnique?)
Heh
I think Kirs Breton is the more elegant formulation. As it is, I’m not massively keen on the drink (finding it too sweet). But, first world problems. Brittany is, as you say, lovely.
One or two are perfect around 4pm on a hot afternoon, in my experience, the sweetness is perhaps akin to the desire for a scone and jam and cream at British teatime, never a bad thing - but I prefer the alcohol
Brittany is seriously lovely, It may be my new favourite region of France, overtaking Languedoc and the Basque Country
The only bits I have left to explore are parts of Normandy and the eastern fringe, tho I have been there a fair amount
The roads are, as you say, astonishingly good. They actually have beautiful roundabouts. Who the fuck has beautiful roundabouts??? Not even Switzerland or the richest corners of the USA - Connecticut- SOCA - have beautiful roundabouts. I imagine some peculiar French college of roundabout design possibly in the Cevennes or near Amboise which has been going since Louis XI expressed a need for more lovely turnpikes in the 1530s, and which still prevails
Indeed there is probably a French Guild of Roundabout Designers who elect a dozen Immortals every year but recently they are feeling threatened by South Korean motorway verge dudes so they are all going to vote Nazi
You might actually be close to reality there.
France has the most roundabouts in the world (though we have more per km of road), and they were little known in S Korea a decade or so back.
First introduced in Jeju, in 2010, they are steadily being adopted in the name of efficient traffic management.
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Reform up but Tories will be relieved their lead over Reform for 2nd is 10% ie double the 5% lead Reform have over the LDs for 3rd
Why should the Tories be relieved ? They will lose and then have to rebuild a party.
Actually that is inevitable and I may be mistaken but I cannot see much change in the polling over the next 12 days
I suppose it will all come down to the 'hovering pen' over the ballot paper
For me I just want Starmer in no 10 and for the country to move on
Twelve days? You are Laura K and I claim by fiver.
It is 12 days to the 5th July
It is nine and a bit days until polling day.
24,25,26,27,28,29,30,01,02,03,04 and result day 05 = 12 days
I am getting flashbacks to arguments with my daughter about how to count steps.
In 1 day it is the 25th, tomorrow not today, so it is 11 days until Friday evening, the day after the election.
Do you count today or not is always a matter of some debate.
For me the debate is wrapped up by thinking its nearly 7pm and I've got a beer open, so no, today is done.
Had you said this at 8am this morning, I'd have looked at needing to work today and said yes today has to be counted.
Bear in mind my daughter was five at the time, and I think you may want to reconsider your answer. In 1 day from 8am on a day it will then be 8am on the next day. Tomorrow.
A flat floor is not a flight of stairs with 1 step.
1 day from 8am is 8am tomorrow, if we're going full 24 hour units, but today is a day which hasn't happened yet then too so if we're counting discrete days and not hours, then today ought to be counted.
So if we are going off discrete days the question becomes whether you round up, or round down, essentially.
Many years ago I worked in a business which very strictly operated on this principle for dating products. If a product was dated 8 days from now, then that would be a week today. Why? Because today always has to be counted was the rule. If it was dating products for 2 days, that would be today and tomorrow. If something was dated 1 day then that means by close of business today.
All day today and then all day tomorrow ≠ 1 day.
The context was the statement, "12 days until PM Starmer."
You may have whatever strange definitions you want for other contexts, but in that context, we are effectively counting the gaps between days, because we are counting a duration of time from one point, "now" to a specific point, "then", which will be some time relatively early on July 5th - not until the end of July 5th.
Today is a day.
Tomorrow is a day.
Today and tomorrow is two days.
The election is on day eleven, but the results come out overnight and in day 12 we will have PM Starmer.
If you want to count the gaps, then you can count the nights. 11 more nights. But like with a holiday you can get 5 days but 4 nights.
Really?
How many days until PM Starmer?
What is your answer?
Since its now 8pm I'll say 11.
If you'd asked at 8am I'd say 12.
I'm looking at booking my holiday for next year, we're looking at booking a 5 day, 4 night break. I'd be pissed off if I only got 4 days there.
Yes. Those are two different contexts for use of the word day, as I explained earlier. This isn't unusual for English, why is that so difficult for you to understand?
If we assume the PM switch happens at 11am on July 5th then it's just over ten and a half days until PM Starmer, though typically people would say 11 days whatever time that question was asked today.
Thinking more about this, I think the old-fashioned way of saying something like this would be, "It's eleven days until the day we expect Starmer becomes PM."
But anyway, this is exactly analogous to counting steps on a flight of stairs, and surely you don't count a single step as two?
You're right I don't count any step as 2, I count each as 1 - but you don't discount any either.
Just as I'd say my house has 2 stories in it, the ground floor and the top floor. You don't discount any either.
Looking at the days between now and when Starmer comes in, the total is 12.
No double counting necessary, just single counting each day. Only way you get to less than 12 is by discounting either today or the 5th or both.
It's already today. So on one day it is tomorrow. That's why you count one day less in this context.
In your house you move one floor up to get from the ground floor to the upper floor. Not two.
We are counting the time between two days, not counting the days themselves. Do you not see?
No, we are not. You are, but that wasn't the original quote. The original quote was "over the next 12 days".
Over a period of time includes today. If I say on Monday morning in a meeting that over the next five days we have to get x, y and z done - then it has to be done by Friday, not a week on Monday.
Today is day one of the next 12 days. Tomorrow is day two. We aren't talking steps, we're counting all the time - at the time the quote was made there were still polls to come out today, as well as polls to come out tomorrow and ultimately the actual poll that counts on day 12.
Most people do not include the current day. If you gave most people five days from 9.10 pm today they would expect it to be a Saturday deadline.
Jeez. This debate is starting to give the dispute about the Filoque a run for its money as poisonous debates about pedantic semantics go.
Well I did say it wasn't debatable - but to the great detriment of the thread I was ignored.
OT: The more and more people I talk to, the more I think the story of this election is still Partygate.
The thing that annoyed middle England like nothing else - that anecdotally has turned away so many people’s ‘lifelong Tory uncles/aunts’ - is probably more responsible than anything that happened since.
And here is something that might reverberate.
If the Tories do end up on 0-50 seats: Might it improve the public standards/accountability of governments for years to come?
If ‘Partygate wot lost it’ becomes the narrative going forward - including other conduct related scandals - I imagine governments will become far far less tolerant of sloppy conduct - things like Gamblergate. Internal discipline will have to increase. Govts with huge majorities will no longer thing they are invulnerable - “Remember what happened to the Tories in 2024?”
This might be an optimistic take on things. But regardless of your political persuasion, I think it would send a strong “Don’t mess with the British public” message for future governments of all stripes - and that can only be good for us all.
Well "partygate" is such an issue because many of the british feel they were conned with the covid lockdowns and are ashamed of their part in it (for example letting people die alone). Interestingly this was where the biggest opposition to partygate came from from those who let their relatives die alone. But a large part of this is shame they let their loved ones die alone on the orders of the british state. This toxic shame leads to overwhelming hatred for those who enforced the measures/conned them.
You are so embarrassingly bad at this I almost feel sorry for you.
If you think letting loved ones die alone is ok well its a view i suppose.
If you think having loved ones die alone as invaders in a trench in Ukraine is OK, well it's a view I suppose....
OT: The more and more people I talk to, the more I think the story of this election is still Partygate.
The thing that annoyed middle England like nothing else - that anecdotally has turned away so many people’s ‘lifelong Tory uncles/aunts’ - is probably more responsible than anything that happened since.
And here is something that might reverberate.
If the Tories do end up on 0-50 seats: Might it improve the public standards/accountability of governments for years to come?
If ‘Partygate wot lost it’ becomes the narrative going forward - including other conduct related scandals - I imagine governments will become far far less tolerant of sloppy conduct - things like Gamblergate. Internal discipline will have to increase. Govts with huge majorities will no longer thing they are invulnerable - “Remember what happened to the Tories in 2024?”
This might be an optimistic take on things. But regardless of your political persuasion, I think it would send a strong “Don’t mess with the British public” message for future governments of all stripes - and that can only be good for us all.
Well "partygate" is such an issue because many of the british feel they were conned with the covid lockdowns and are ashamed of their part in it (for example letting people die alone). Interestingly this was where the biggest opposition to partygate came from from those who let their relatives die alone. But a large part of this is shame they let their loved ones die alone on the orders of the british state. This toxic shame leads to overwhelming hatred for those who enforced the measures/conned them.
You are so embarrassingly bad at this I almost feel sorry for you.
If you think letting loved ones die alone is ok well its a view i suppose.
VP loves no one but himself. And even that’s doubtful.
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Reform up but Tories will be relieved their lead over Reform for 2nd is 10% ie double the 5% lead Reform have over the LDs for 3rd
Why should the Tories be relieved ? They will lose and then have to rebuild a party.
Actually that is inevitable and I may be mistaken but I cannot see much change in the polling over the next 12 days
I suppose it will all come down to the 'hovering pen' over the ballot paper
For me I just want Starmer in no 10 and for the country to move on
Twelve days? You are Laura K and I claim by fiver.
It is 12 days to the 5th July
It is nine and a bit days until polling day.
24,25,26,27,28,29,30,01,02,03,04 and result day 05 = 12 days
I am getting flashbacks to arguments with my daughter about how to count steps.
In 1 day it is the 25th, tomorrow not today, so it is 11 days until Friday evening, the day after the election.
Do you count today or not is always a matter of some debate.
For me the debate is wrapped up by thinking its nearly 7pm and I've got a beer open, so no, today is done.
Had you said this at 8am this morning, I'd have looked at needing to work today and said yes today has to be counted.
Bear in mind my daughter was five at the time, and I think you may want to reconsider your answer. In 1 day from 8am on a day it will then be 8am on the next day. Tomorrow.
A flat floor is not a flight of stairs with 1 step.
1 day from 8am is 8am tomorrow, if we're going full 24 hour units, but today is a day which hasn't happened yet then too so if we're counting discrete days and not hours, then today ought to be counted.
So if we are going off discrete days the question becomes whether you round up, or round down, essentially.
Many years ago I worked in a business which very strictly operated on this principle for dating products. If a product was dated 8 days from now, then that would be a week today. Why? Because today always has to be counted was the rule. If it was dating products for 2 days, that would be today and tomorrow. If something was dated 1 day then that means by close of business today.
All day today and then all day tomorrow ≠ 1 day.
The context was the statement, "12 days until PM Starmer."
You may have whatever strange definitions you want for other contexts, but in that context, we are effectively counting the gaps between days, because we are counting a duration of time from one point, "now" to a specific point, "then", which will be some time relatively early on July 5th - not until the end of July 5th.
Today is a day.
Tomorrow is a day.
Today and tomorrow is two days.
The election is on day eleven, but the results come out overnight and in day 12 we will have PM Starmer.
If you want to count the gaps, then you can count the nights. 11 more nights. But like with a holiday you can get 5 days but 4 nights.
Really?
How many days until PM Starmer?
What is your answer?
Since its now 8pm I'll say 11.
If you'd asked at 8am I'd say 12.
I'm looking at booking my holiday for next year, we're looking at booking a 5 day, 4 night break. I'd be pissed off if I only got 4 days there.
Yes. Those are two different contexts for use of the word day, as I explained earlier. This isn't unusual for English, why is that so difficult for you to understand?
If we assume the PM switch happens at 11am on July 5th then it's just over ten and a half days until PM Starmer, though typically people would say 11 days whatever time that question was asked today.
Thinking more about this, I think the old-fashioned way of saying something like this would be, "It's eleven days until the day we expect Starmer becomes PM."
But anyway, this is exactly analogous to counting steps on a flight of stairs, and surely you don't count a single step as two?
You're right I don't count any step as 2, I count each as 1 - but you don't discount any either.
Just as I'd say my house has 2 stories in it, the ground floor and the top floor. You don't discount any either.
Looking at the days between now and when Starmer comes in, the total is 12.
No double counting necessary, just single counting each day. Only way you get to less than 12 is by discounting either today or the 5th or both.
It's already today. So on one day it is tomorrow. That's why you count one day less in this context.
In your house you move one floor up to get from the ground floor to the upper floor. Not two.
We are counting the time between two days, not counting the days themselves. Do you not see?
No, we are not. You are, but that wasn't the original quote. The original quote was "over the next 12 days".
Over a period of time includes today. If I say on Monday morning in a meeting that over the next five days we have to get x, y and z done - then it has to be done by Friday, not a week on Monday.
Today is day one of the next 12 days. Tomorrow is day two. We aren't talking steps, we're counting all the time - at the time the quote was made there were still polls to come out today, as well as polls to come out tomorrow and ultimately the actual poll that counts on day 12.
Most people do not include the current day. If you gave most people five days from 9.10 pm today they would expect it to be a Saturday deadline.
Jeez. This debate is starting to give the dispute about the Filoque a run for its money as poisonous debates about pedantic semantics go.
Don't let them get onto the subject of how many days until the start of autumn!
Guess the Weight of Boris Johnson is the classic of the genre.
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Reform up but Tories will be relieved their lead over Reform for 2nd is 10% ie double the 5% lead Reform have over the LDs for 3rd
Why should the Tories be relieved ? They will lose and then have to rebuild a party.
Actually that is inevitable and I may be mistaken but I cannot see much change in the polling over the next 12 days
I suppose it will all come down to the 'hovering pen' over the ballot paper
For me I just want Starmer in no 10 and for the country to move on
Twelve days? You are Laura K and I claim by fiver.
It is 12 days to the 5th July
It is nine and a bit days until polling day.
24,25,26,27,28,29,30,01,02,03,04 and result day 05 = 12 days
I am getting flashbacks to arguments with my daughter about how to count steps.
In 1 day it is the 25th, tomorrow not today, so it is 11 days until Friday evening, the day after the election.
Do you count today or not is always a matter of some debate.
For me the debate is wrapped up by thinking its nearly 7pm and I've got a beer open, so no, today is done.
Had you said this at 8am this morning, I'd have looked at needing to work today and said yes today has to be counted.
Bear in mind my daughter was five at the time, and I think you may want to reconsider your answer. In 1 day from 8am on a day it will then be 8am on the next day. Tomorrow.
A flat floor is not a flight of stairs with 1 step.
1 day from 8am is 8am tomorrow, if we're going full 24 hour units, but today is a day which hasn't happened yet then too so if we're counting discrete days and not hours, then today ought to be counted.
So if we are going off discrete days the question becomes whether you round up, or round down, essentially.
Many years ago I worked in a business which very strictly operated on this principle for dating products. If a product was dated 8 days from now, then that would be a week today. Why? Because today always has to be counted was the rule. If it was dating products for 2 days, that would be today and tomorrow. If something was dated 1 day then that means by close of business today.
All day today and then all day tomorrow ≠ 1 day.
The context was the statement, "12 days until PM Starmer."
You may have whatever strange definitions you want for other contexts, but in that context, we are effectively counting the gaps between days, because we are counting a duration of time from one point, "now" to a specific point, "then", which will be some time relatively early on July 5th - not until the end of July 5th.
Today is a day.
Tomorrow is a day.
Today and tomorrow is two days.
The election is on day eleven, but the results come out overnight and in day 12 we will have PM Starmer.
If you want to count the gaps, then you can count the nights. 11 more nights. But like with a holiday you can get 5 days but 4 nights.
Really?
How many days until PM Starmer?
What is your answer?
Since its now 8pm I'll say 11.
If you'd asked at 8am I'd say 12.
I'm looking at booking my holiday for next year, we're looking at booking a 5 day, 4 night break. I'd be pissed off if I only got 4 days there.
Yes. Those are two different contexts for use of the word day, as I explained earlier. This isn't unusual for English, why is that so difficult for you to understand?
If we assume the PM switch happens at 11am on July 5th then it's just over ten and a half days until PM Starmer, though typically people would say 11 days whatever time that question was asked today.
Thinking more about this, I think the old-fashioned way of saying something like this would be, "It's eleven days until the day we expect Starmer becomes PM."
But anyway, this is exactly analogous to counting steps on a flight of stairs, and surely you don't count a single step as two?
You're right I don't count any step as 2, I count each as 1 - but you don't discount any either.
Just as I'd say my house has 2 stories in it, the ground floor and the top floor. You don't discount any either.
Looking at the days between now and when Starmer comes in, the total is 12.
No double counting necessary, just single counting each day. Only way you get to less than 12 is by discounting either today or the 5th or both.
It's already today. So on one day it is tomorrow. That's why you count one day less in this context.
In your house you move one floor up to get from the ground floor to the upper floor. Not two.
We are counting the time between two days, not counting the days themselves. Do you not see?
No, we are not. You are, but that wasn't the original quote. The original quote was "over the next 12 days".
Over a period of time includes today. If I say on Monday morning in a meeting that over the next five days we have to get x, y and z done - then it has to be done by Friday, not a week on Monday.
Today is day one of the next 12 days. Tomorrow is day two. We aren't talking steps, we're counting all the time - at the time the quote was made there were still polls to come out today, as well as polls to come out tomorrow and ultimately the actual poll that counts on day 12.
Most people do not include the current day. If you gave most people five days from 9.10 pm today they would expect it to be a Saturday deadline.
Jeez. This debate is starting to give the dispute about the Filoque a run for its money as poisonous debates about pedantic semantics go.
Don't let them get onto the subject of how many days until the start of autumn!
A perenial favourite. We’ve just had the start of summer (or not).
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Why Biden could still win.
I cannot imagine a nicer thing than a free week (thank you, the French tax payer) touring the islands of Brittany in unfiltered summer sunshine, all exes paid, cars boats and hotels, plus oysters and kirs Breton included (kir Bretons? Sir Kirs Bretonnique?)
Heh
First I've really heard about the election in NI.
My heads says Kirs Breton but my heart says that is somehow pretentious. I may need this essential lingo if the weather prevails this fine and I need lots of refreshment
(he's retiring)
As an aside. It is interesting how so many of the leading Tory Eurosceptics are Roman Catholic. Bill Cash, IDS, Moggster, Anne Widdicombe, Boris Johnson, Gove (allegedly), Sir Edward Leigh.
The thing that annoyed middle England like nothing else - that anecdotally has turned away so many people’s ‘lifelong Tory uncles/aunts’ - is probably more responsible than anything that happened since.
And here is something that might reverberate.
If the Tories do end up on 0-50 seats: Might it improve the public standards/accountability of governments for years to come?
If ‘Partygate wot lost it’ becomes the narrative going forward - including other conduct related scandals - I imagine governments will become far far less tolerant of sloppy conduct - things like Gamblergate. Internal discipline will have to increase. Govts with huge majorities will no longer thing they are invulnerable - “Remember what happened to the Tories in 2024?”
This might be an optimistic take on things. But regardless of your political persuasion, I think it would send a strong “Don’t mess with the British public” message for future governments of all stripes - and that can only be good for us all.
In which case the plural of a kir Breton ends up being 'a bucket of sick'.
It's the drip-drip of that, PPE, Post Office (longer-running, but "when the music stops", etc), looking after the Patersons and Pinchers, Fisher Price Government with Liz and Kwasi, and (despite the narrative that he was doing the people's work at the time) some of the crowbars Boris employed to get Brexit done - there's a significant wing of his party's previous electorate who like Philip Hammond and aren't enamoured of proroguing parliament.
That's why the current betting shenanigans are *so* damaging.. they may not be in the least bit illegal, but they stink like three-day old fish and add to the evidence file marked "in it for themselves and their mates rather than me".
And for that drip-drip to have continued through the campaign is massively corrosive to the Tories' chance of recovery.
On your concluding point.. yes, let's hope the message gets home.
Brittany is seriously lovely, It may be my new favourite region of France, overtaking Languedoc and the Basque Country
The only bits I have left to explore are parts of Normandy and the eastern fringe, tho I have been there a fair amount
The roads are, as you say, astonishingly good. They actually have beautiful roundabouts. Who the fuck has beautiful roundabouts??? Not even Switzerland or the richest corners of the USA - Connecticut- SOCA - have beautiful roundabouts. I imagine some peculiar French college of roundabout design possibly in the Cevennes or near Amboise which has been going since Louis XI expressed a need for more lovely turnpikes in the 1530s, and which still prevails
Indeed there is probably a French Guild of Roundabout Designers who elect a dozen Immortals every year but recently they are feeling threatened by South Korean motorway verge dudes so they are all going to vote Nazi
The G7 photo of leaders had everyone in negative ratings
And as for France!!!!
I will get shouted down on here but I'd rather pay 45% GDP and have great infrastructure than 36% GDP and have the shite we have got in this country.
I just had half a dozen fantastic Quiberons. Seriously good oystering
I finished my gin and tonic with the first and moved on to lightly chilled Muscadet, is all good
Yes that sounds great but jeez it can be exhausting, also you have to be nice to EVERYONE and meet lots of guides and tourist people and restaurateurs and hoteliers and express a sincere interest in EVERYTHING. It helps that I am an enthusiast by nature
And does anyone at home understand how hard it is having to do loads of amazing things and eat amazing food in amazing places for free? No they do NOT
The fact that, the further they march rightwards, the more of their small-c conservative vote may defect to the Lib Dems in disgust, will be conveniently ignored.
It seems to me that the chance of a hard right Tory rump achieving a revival depends crucially on Labour being as useless in Government as the Tories, and a populist leader then successfully knocking down the Red Wall for a second time. If everything goes right for them, a nasty hard right insurgency could become a really serious problem for the country. Alternatively, they could simply be shoved out of the way by the Liberal Democrats and permanently marginalised.
How the Liberal Democrats as a party reconcile their own members' leftward leanings with having dozens of new MPs representing leafy shire constituencies will also be very important in all of this. There's currently a vacancy for a pragmatic, soft centre-right party that is receptive to appeals to help the vulnerable and rejects cruelty, but also dislikes anything that smells of socialism. Is Sir Ed ready to apply?
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Honestly, if that is Skyr Toolmakersson’s intention with his 900 majority, just get on and do it. And I will cope. Sadly I fear we are going to end up with EU tax rates and US public services, and oodles and oodles of Woke
If it would obviously look bad if the Newspapers knew you had done it, then you don't do it even if it is legal.
If you have the ethics of an alleycat but are not stupid, then you don't do it unless it makes you so much money you don't care if you get caught a d have to resign (which is very unlikely to be the case here).
Thus making Covid a proper noun essentially in its own right.
That would be the question.
Over a period of time includes today. If I say on Monday morning in a meeting that over the next five days we have to get x, y and z done - then it has to be done by Friday, not a week on Monday.
Today is day one of the next 12 days. Tomorrow is day two. We aren't talking steps, we're counting all the time - at the time the quote was made there were still polls to come out today, as well as polls to come out tomorrow and ultimately the actual poll that counts on day 12.
The Rivers Trust says: However, even taking this into consideration, there’s no denying that 2023 was worse than 2021 for sewage spills. For England alone, last year was the worst on record for sewage spills – untreated sewage was discharged for over double the total number of hours than 2022, and over 163,000 more discharges counted.
It is a bit Cnuttish in a literal sense.
The cost of one year of incarceration is £50,000 per year. So as far as I can work out the cost of this rise would be £1.5 billion per year.
E.g e-coli from water sources continues its decline
Swimming now is vastly safer than when we were children, and I was a child in the 90s.
The chickens (and their vast quantities of shit dumped into various waterways) have come home to roost under a Conservative Government, and in this instance the entire problem originated under another Conservative Government that created these businesses in the first place. It's small wonder that the many, many people who are royally pissed off about this may not entirely trust a Conservative Government to put it all to rights.
Too many.
However measurement also tends to lead to distortion, as Tony Blair found out with GP appointments.
France has the most roundabouts in the world (though we have more per km of road), and they were little known in S Korea a decade or so back.
First introduced in Jeju, in 2010, they are steadily being adopted in the name of efficient traffic management.
You see that UUP, Tories? That’s your future that is…
And even that’s doubtful.