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For the first time in a few days I think Reform are a sell on the spreads – politicalbetting.com

SystemSystem Posts: 12,146
edited July 4 in General
imageFor the first time in a few days I think Reform are a sell on the spreads – politicalbetting.com

West provoked Ukraine war, Nigel Farage says https://t.co/Gy2iIoi2Kj

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  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,727
    First and risky!
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,989
    Briefly, perhaps.

    Occasionally the mask drops. But few will be listening.
  • Second - like the second coming of La Truss
  • bobbobbobbob Posts: 99
    FSB Farage from KGB News
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,639
    I expect REF to get between 0 and 0 seats.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,487
    Still a really dangerous sell.
  • If Farage fails to get elected AGAIN, I will both LOL and LMAO.
  • Epic skirt clutching session underway I see.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,465
    kle4 said:

    Briefly, perhaps.

    Occasionally the mask drops. But few will be listening.

    This is an actual political issue at the heart of this election, that affects foreign policy. It should be at the centre of debate.

    People will listen. Many have thought Farage a safe NOTA vote. Until they realise he is a fucking tool, nestled in Putin's lower colon.

    And he just dissed the King too.
  • OnboardG1OnboardG1 Posts: 1,589

    Second - like the second coming of La Truss

    If you want the economic policies of Liz Truss and the pro-Putin policies of Jeremy Corbyn, vote Reform.

    https://x.com/DavidGauke/status/1804218534568038425
    I did wonder why CCHQ didn't go in harder on the whole obvious bond-crisis-in-the-making that was the REFUK manifesto.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,463
    Sandpit said:

    Still a really dangerous sell.

    Haven't completed the trade yet.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,445

    So anyway we have our postal votes and duty has been done. I thought about it and discussed it with my family and in the end I decided to vote Conservative.

    No - not really. For the first time since 1997 we have three generations all voting Lab

    What type of seat - marginal?
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,727
    Sandpit said:

    Still a really dangerous sell.

    The thing is that in order to sell you will have to demonstrate far more funds to some questionable set-up than you really want to.

    I wish my bookmakers to understand that I'm some penniless punter with an eye on politics. I'd prefer them not to know that this is in fact the truth.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,284
    I watched that NewsAgents report from Spalding. The old b@st@rds saying they would vote reform couldn't care less about Ukraine. Mind you, one of the interviewees was very interested in hanging and flogging.

    Unless Rishi goes boots on for hanging and flogging, they are not coming back. That said no more than half a handful of Reform seats.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,208

    Omnium said:

    kle4 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @KevinASchofield

    NEW: Nigel Farage says the West "provoked" Vladimir Putin into invading Ukraine.

    FFS. This is why noone should vote Reform.

    What a dickhead.

    Quoting the Torygraph:

    "The leader of Reform UK said that the expansion of Nato and the European Union gave Vladimir Putin “an excuse” to go to war with Ukraine."

    Sorry, but that is an inconvenient truth.

    The Pope, hardly a Putin Toady, said the same the thick end of two years ago.

    What do you think the US would have done if Cuba had joined the Warsaw pact and actually stationed USSR missiles there?

    Similiarly what do you think the US would do if Mexico made a military pact with China and opened Chinese Military bases there?

    He has done it again, got the Great and Good howling with outrage and giving vast publicity to him while people sit at home, quietly nodding "I agree with Nigel".
    You're saying that Ukraine has no right to be an independent country. How would you react if the French said that Britain had no right to be an independent country and invaded the country to stop us from leaving the EU?

    Fuck off to Moscow with that attitude.
    I feel like I can already see Farage's offensive defense on this issue. He will come out swinging and just say the mainstream parties are pretending he supports Putin when he made sure to say he doesn't (even if the rest of his words make the same justifications as Putin), he'll look outraged and call it desperate, and in any case the people of Britain care about immigration and tax and not matters outside their control.

    It'll get a weekend of punditry chin wagging, then Rishi will step on a banana skin or his government chaffeur will be revealed to be the Boston Strangler or something, and we'll be back on track.
    A competent Conservative campaign with competent leadership could squeeze 30%+ of the vote out of this election.
    It could squeeze much more. A competent Conservative campaign should romp home.

    Traditional Conservative party values are election winning every time. I see no party standing on those values though. No individual politicians really getting terribly close either.

    The Conservative party has totally lost its way.
    I agree.

    We've heard Keir Starmer is a socialist. We've seen their leaked tax hike plans on inheritance tax, capital gains and pensions. We know he's vindictive to those who object to gender ideology. We know his weird ideological aversion to any aspect of the private sector in either health or education. We know he's a lapsed republican and enthusiastic vegetarian. We know he took The Knee.

    He's cosplaying Blair, but he is no Tony Blair.
    The only thing I take issue with here is "enthusiastic vegetarian". I'm trying to imagine what an unenthusiastic vegetarian would look like.
    Now you come to mention it, I know several unenthusiastic vegetarians.

    On topic, Farage is a worm. I doubt the Putin remarks will make much difference. Snake oil salesmen gonna snake oil. Sadly it seems he's quite good at it.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,465
    This Netherlands - France game has the making of the game of the Championships
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,463

    This Netherlands - France game has the making of the game of the Championships

    Nah, we'll be talking England v Denmark for decades.
  • bobbobbobbob Posts: 99
    OnboardG1 said:

    Second - like the second coming of La Truss

    If you want the economic policies of Liz Truss and the pro-Putin policies of Jeremy Corbyn, vote Reform.

    https://x.com/DavidGauke/status/1804218534568038425
    I did wonder why CCHQ didn't go in harder on the whole obvious bond-crisis-in-the-making that was the REFUK manifesto.
    They’re really really bad at campaigning ?
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,323

    Second - like the second coming of La Truss

    If you want the economic policies of Liz Truss and the pro-Putin policies of Jeremy Corbyn, vote Reform.

    https://x.com/DavidGauke/status/1804218534568038425
    I would love the economic policies of Liz Truss - perhaps that cretin would prefer us to do the same things we've been doing for the past 30 years and hope that works.

    As for the pro-Putin policies of Corbyn, I'll settle for being neutral, making a huge amount of money off any war, then only actually joining when our fleet gets Pearl Harboured - that strategy doesn't seem to have done America's long term reputation or its bank balance any harm.
  • OnboardG1OnboardG1 Posts: 1,589

    I watched that NewsAgents report from Spalding. The old b@st@rds saying they would vote reform couldn't care less about Ukraine. Mind you, one of the interviewees was very interested in hanging and flogging.

    Unless Rishi goes boots on for hanging and flogging, they are not coming back. That said no more than half a handful of Reform seats.

    Every attitude survey shows you have about 10-20% of quacks and loons in the population. The quack and loon party, whether it's UKIP or REFUK or Galloway's Mob have a ceiling of the number of pub bores in the nation. The danger is that they frighten the Tories enough to take them over, and then you have 10-20% of enthusiastic quacks and loons married to the 15-20% of people who vote Tory no matter how much of a rolling bin fire that party is. Mix that with FPTP and you have a dangerous combination.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,631
    OnboardG1 said:

    Second - like the second coming of La Truss

    If you want the economic policies of Liz Truss and the pro-Putin policies of Jeremy Corbyn, vote Reform.

    https://x.com/DavidGauke/status/1804218534568038425
    I did wonder why CCHQ didn't go in harder on the whole obvious bond-crisis-in-the-making that was the REFUK manifesto.

    Because a number of high-profile Tories want to unite with Reform and for Farage to have a senior role in the subsequent party. They would publicly speak out for Farage if he was attacked.

  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,466

    Farage fans will forgive him anything.

    Or rather people who want a tool with which to hit the establishment will use whichever tool is handy.
  • MJWMJW Posts: 1,726

    Farage fans will forgive him anything.

    It's going to be like Corbynism all over again - except the current Tories are too weak/stupid to stand up to Farage.
  • Nunu5Nunu5 Posts: 963
    Nick Robinson is having a great election.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,487
    edited June 21
    Omnium said:

    Sandpit said:

    Still a really dangerous sell.

    The thing is that in order to sell you will have to demonstrate far more funds to some questionable set-up than you really want to.

    I wish my bookmakers to understand that I'm some penniless punter with an eye on politics. I'd prefer them not to know that this is in fact the truth.
    Yes, how much downside would Sporting want to see from you for selling the Reform seats, 100, 200?

    If you’re selling at £100 a seat, that’s ten or twenty bags, a sizeable chunk of your liquidity gone unless you’re a millionaire.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,463
    I predict Labour's vote share will hit 50% after this.

    Starmer will reverse Brexit, warns Badenoch

    Business Secretary tipped as next Tory leader urges voters not to risk the danger of a Labour government


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/06/21/starmer-labour-reverse-brexit-warns-kemi-badenoch-election/
  • TresTres Posts: 2,689
    Hearing rumours Farage has fucked it. lol lol lol
  • Nunu5Nunu5 Posts: 963
    Watch how this improves the Reform numbers after much hype.....for reform bad publicity is still good, up to a point
  • The interview comprised Toenails trying to Gotcha him with of of context quotes followed by early release of out of context responses.

    For example, neglecting to mention that Farages answer to that question also contained the words "obviousy the war is Putins fault"

  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,352

    Farage fans will forgive him anything.

    The problem here is also the accuser. Yes the Tories should go for Farage highlighting his shilling. But the Tories are even less liked and believed that Farage. People will dismiss their attacks without really considering them simply because of who is making them.

    If the aim is to prevent Reform from getting votes and seats then it needs to be Labour making the attacks as well, as they are considered more honest. Trouble is they won't because electorally it is in their interests for Reform to do well and take votes from the Tories.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,425

    Second - like the second coming of La Truss

    If you want the economic policies of Liz Truss and the pro-Putin policies of Jeremy Corbyn, vote Reform.

    https://x.com/DavidGauke/status/1804218534568038425
    I would love the economic policies of Liz Truss - perhaps that cretin would prefer us to do the same things we've been doing for the past 30 years and hope that works.

    As for the pro-Putin policies of Corbyn, I'll settle for being neutral, making a huge amount of money off any war, then only actually joining when our fleet gets Pearl Harboured - that strategy doesn't seem to have done America's long term reputation or its bank balance any harm.
    You can't be neutral against evil.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,156

    Nigel Farage is a massive C word

    During the execrable 90 mins that passed as an England match yesterday I posted a screenshot of a webpage of a young lady who is standing for election to her student union who goes under the superb, and seemingly genuine, name of - I kid you not - Tuna Kunt. This is her website: https://www.citystudents.co.uk/elections/manifesto/4714/

    So perhaps in a not-Cockney-rhyming-slang-but-feels-like-it way we could simply say something like ‘That Farage, he’s a right tuna!’ Or in a year’s time when the jubilation’s worn off and we think Labour are crap we can fulminate ‘Fuck off Starmer, you massive tuna.’

    Perhaps we could get it to be one of those meems on that tick tock.
    If you have not come across it before, you should read Archie Clark Kerr’s letter to Reggie Pembroke:

    https://lettersofnote.com/2009/10/28/we-all-feel-like-that-now-and-then/
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 7,084

    I predict Labour's vote share will hit 50% after this.

    Starmer will reverse Brexit, warns Badenoch

    Business Secretary tipped as next Tory leader urges voters not to risk the danger of a Labour government


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/06/21/starmer-labour-reverse-brexit-warns-kemi-badenoch-election/

    She’s way out of her depth. Mishal Husain showed her up as a lightweight.

    The tories have got to find some heavyweights
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,989

    kle4 said:

    Briefly, perhaps.

    Occasionally the mask drops. But few will be listening.

    This is an actual political issue at the heart of this election, that affects foreign policy. It should be at the centre of debate.

    People will listen. Many have thought Farage a safe NOTA vote. Until they realise he is a fucking tool, nestled in Putin's lower colon.

    And he just dissed the King too.
    You have more optimism about people than I do. I think people are voting based on fury, and that will only be briefly diverted.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,156
    Heathener said:

    I predict Labour's vote share will hit 50% after this.

    Starmer will reverse Brexit, warns Badenoch

    Business Secretary tipped as next Tory leader urges voters not to risk the danger of a Labour government


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/06/21/starmer-labour-reverse-brexit-warns-kemi-badenoch-election/

    She’s way out of her depth. Mishal Husain showed her up as a lightweight.

    The tories have got to find some heavyweights
    FATTIST!

    😉
  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 4,835

    I watched that NewsAgents report from Spalding. The old b@st@rds saying they would vote reform couldn't care less about Ukraine. Mind you, one of the interviewees was very interested in hanging and flogging.

    Unless Rishi goes boots on for hanging and flogging, they are not coming back. That said no more than half a handful of Reform seats.

    Of course, we all have to keep our fingers crossed that the impending sidelining and marginalisation of said old fuckers endures. The risk is, obviously, that the Tory Party goes reactionary far right to try to win them back (and because this chimes with the inclinations of it's tiny, elderly, extreme membership,) and then wins actual power should Labour also make a hash of governing, and our Buggins' Turn voting system asserts itself once again.

    There are no shortage of examples in Europe where popular discontent has led pissed off and/or thick voters to turn out in great numbers for parties that are more extreme than Reform. We ignore them at our peril.
  • Andy_JS said:

    So anyway we have our postal votes and duty has been done. I thought about it and discussed it with my family and in the end I decided to vote Conservative.

    No - not really. For the first time since 1997 we have three generations all voting Lab

    What type of seat - marginal?
    Well - it depends. Liz Truss currently has a 26,000 majority so that probably makes South West Norfolk now a marginal!
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,352

    Farage fans will forgive him anything.

    The problem here is also the accuser. Yes the Tories should go for Farage highlighting his shilling. But the Tories are even less liked and believed that Farage. People will dismiss their attacks without really considering them simply because of who is making them.

    If the aim is to prevent Reform from getting votes and seats then it needs to be Labour making the attacks as well, as they are considered more honest. Trouble is they won't because electorally it is in their interests for Reform to do well and take votes from the Tories.
    Sorry this answer was meant more for those saying the Tories should go on the attack and didn't really relate to SO's perfectly valid statement
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,036
    Why this tendency for the rancid right to side with Putin? It's something in the brain chemistry but I'm not totally sure what.
  • northern_monkeynorthern_monkey Posts: 1,639
    Bugger, fell into the new thread trap. I bring my reply to BatteryCorrectHorse onto this thread because it seems too good an idea to languish in obscurity. I might be slightly pissed:

    Nigel Farage is a massive C word

    During the execrable 90 mins that passed as an England match yesterday I posted a screenshot of the webpage of a young lady who is standing for election to her student union who goes under the superb, and seemingly genuine, name of - I kid you not - Tuna Kunt. This is her website: https://www.citystudents.co.uk/elections/manifesto/4714/

    So perhaps in a not-Cockney-rhyming-slang-but-feels-like-it way we could simply say something like ‘That Farage, he’s a right tuna!’ Or in a year’s time when the jubilation’s worn off and we think Labour are crap we can fulminate ‘Fuck off Starmer, you massive tuna.’

    Perhaps we could get it to be one of those meems on that tick tock.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,445
    edited June 21
    Lewis Goodall finds plenty of backwoodsmen in South Holland & the Deepings.

    https://x.com/TheNewsAgents/status/1804178802475700417
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,603
    So why on Earth don’t the Tories take Farage apart on Putin? All the big guns. Ram it home from now til 4July.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,323

    Second - like the second coming of La Truss

    If you want the economic policies of Liz Truss and the pro-Putin policies of Jeremy Corbyn, vote Reform.

    https://x.com/DavidGauke/status/1804218534568038425
    I would love the economic policies of Liz Truss - perhaps that cretin would prefer us to do the same things we've been doing for the past 30 years and hope that works.

    As for the pro-Putin policies of Corbyn, I'll settle for being neutral, making a huge amount of money off any war, then only actually joining when our fleet gets Pearl Harboured - that strategy doesn't seem to have done America's long term reputation or its bank balance any harm.
    You can't be neutral against evil.
    America stayed out of the war until the end of 1941, with the British Empire liquidated to pay for their help in the war. They joined only when attacked directly, yet still their record in World War II is a pillar of their nation's story. So clearly you can be pretty neutral against it.
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 7,084
    kinabalu said:

    Why this tendency for the rancid right to side with Putin? It's something in the brain chemistry but I'm not totally sure what.

    A few months ago I wanted nothing more than the evisceration of the tory party.

    That was then and this is now. It would leave a vacuum on the right where the extremists like Farage could take over. They already began to pull the Conservative Party to the right.

    This is a time of great danger.
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 7,084
    Jonathan said:

    So why on Earth don’t the Tories take Farage apart on Putin? All the big guns. Ram it home from now til 4July.

    Baffles me too
  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 4,835
    Heathener said:

    I predict Labour's vote share will hit 50% after this.

    Starmer will reverse Brexit, warns Badenoch

    Business Secretary tipped as next Tory leader urges voters not to risk the danger of a Labour government


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/06/21/starmer-labour-reverse-brexit-warns-kemi-badenoch-election/

    She’s way out of her depth. Mishal Husain showed her up as a lightweight.

    The tories have got to find some heavyweights
    Christopher Chope is likely to be one of the Tory survivors and is of a broadly similar age and outlook to the typical party member. His time has, perhaps, come?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,234
    Andy_JS said:

    Lewis Goodall finds plenty of backwoodsmen in South Holland & the Deepings.

    https://x.com/TheNewsAgents/status/1804178802475700417

    Something about the way that's phrased makes me think it's all a bit The Lion, The Witch and The Wardrobe.
  • OnboardG1OnboardG1 Posts: 1,589
    edited June 21
    kinabalu said:

    Why this tendency for the rancid right to side with Putin? It's something in the brain chemistry but I'm not totally sure what.

    Because the 10% of pub bores in any country who bloviate on about "fings aint wot it used to be" quite like the idea that a racially pure strongman can turn up and put the "lefties, pooftahs and ponces" in their place using violence.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,445
    Jonathan said:

    So why on Earth don’t the Tories take Farage apart on Putin? All the big guns. Ram it home from now til 4July.

    They're too busy trying not to lose Tunbridge Wells.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,156

    Bugger, fell into the new thread trap. I bring my reply to BatteryCorrectHorse onto this thread because it seems too good an idea to languish in obscurity. I might be slightly pissed:

    Nigel Farage is a massive C word

    During the execrable 90 mins that passed as an England match yesterday I posted a screenshot of the webpage of a young lady who is standing for election to her student union who goes under the superb, and seemingly genuine, name of - I kid you not - Tuna Kunt. This is her website: https://www.citystudents.co.uk/elections/manifesto/4714/

    So perhaps in a not-Cockney-rhyming-slang-but-feels-like-it way we could simply say something like ‘That Farage, he’s a right tuna!’ Or in a year’s time when the jubilation’s worn off and we think Labour are crap we can fulminate ‘Fuck off Starmer, you massive tuna.’

    Perhaps we could get it to be one of those meems on that tick tock.

    I responded earlier on this thread

  • Heathener said:

    kinabalu said:

    Why this tendency for the rancid right to side with Putin? It's something in the brain chemistry but I'm not totally sure what.

    A few months ago I wanted nothing more than the evisceration of the tory party.

    That was then and this is now. It would leave a vacuum on the right where the extremists like Farage could take over. They already began to pull the Conservative Party to the right.

    This is a time of great danger.
    The Far & Hard Right like Putin because he often funds them and supports them via the 'dark arts' of troll farms, etc. They also see him as the great leader of the white race against the black and brown people and their (you know who) puppet masters.

    As for the Cons being replaced by extremists. That happened in 2019. They are all now already Farage fans or preparing to be appeasers.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 21,994

    Farage fans will forgive him anything.

    But can they explain?
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,603
    Andy_JS said:

    Jonathan said:

    So why on Earth don’t the Tories take Farage apart on Putin? All the big guns. Ram it home from now til 4July.

    They're too busy trying not to lose Tunbridge Wells.
    That is the way not to lose Tunbridge Wells. Win the battle for the right vote.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,685

    Second - like the second coming of La Truss

    If you want the economic policies of Liz Truss and the pro-Putin policies of Jeremy Corbyn, vote Reform.

    https://x.com/DavidGauke/status/1804218534568038425
    I would love the economic policies of Liz Truss - perhaps that cretin would prefer us to do the same things we've been doing for the past 30 years and hope that works.

    As for the pro-Putin policies of Corbyn, I'll settle for being neutral, making a huge amount of money off any war, then only actually joining when our fleet gets Pearl Harboured - that strategy doesn't seem to have done America's long term reputation or its bank balance any harm.
    You can't be neutral against evil.
    America stayed out of the war until the end of 1941, with the British Empire liquidated to pay for their help in the war. They joined only when attacked directly, yet still their record in World War II is a pillar of their nation's story. So clearly you can be pretty neutral against it.
    The Americans did not stay out till then. Look up Leaselend and Neutrality Patrol.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,425

    Second - like the second coming of La Truss

    If you want the economic policies of Liz Truss and the pro-Putin policies of Jeremy Corbyn, vote Reform.

    https://x.com/DavidGauke/status/1804218534568038425
    I would love the economic policies of Liz Truss - perhaps that cretin would prefer us to do the same things we've been doing for the past 30 years and hope that works.

    As for the pro-Putin policies of Corbyn, I'll settle for being neutral, making a huge amount of money off any war, then only actually joining when our fleet gets Pearl Harboured - that strategy doesn't seem to have done America's long term reputation or its bank balance any harm.
    You can't be neutral against evil.
    America stayed out of the war until the end of 1941, with the British Empire liquidated to pay for their help in the war. They joined only when attacked directly, yet still their record in World War II is a pillar of their nation's story. So clearly you can be pretty neutral against it.
    Yes, and that proves my point. Their staying neutral made things much worse for them when they joined, than if they had joined in back in 1939.

    It's interesting to consider what would have happened if the USA had joined in back in 1939. Would France have fallen? would Japan have decided to attack Pearl Harbour given how an America at war would have increased their military output?

    (The last question seems particularly interesting, given the somewhat insane decision to attack Pearl Harbour in the first place.)
  • PhilPhil Posts: 2,253
    So quisling Farage has outed himself as a shill for Putinist talking points already? That didn’t take long. I guess he picked them up from his fellow travellers in the US Republican party.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,445

    Andy_JS said:

    Lewis Goodall finds plenty of backwoodsmen in South Holland & the Deepings.

    https://x.com/TheNewsAgents/status/1804178802475700417

    Something about the way that's phrased makes me think it's all a bit The Lion, The Witch and The Wardrobe.
    It's the funniest thing I've seen for a long time, although I know it's been edited to fit a narrative.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,234

    Can Nigel Farage fans please explain this?


    I think poor Nigel was provoked into making a total arse of himself by Nick Robinson asking him questions about it. So I blame Robinson really.
    Maybe the best service has delivered yet, given he's swiftly tranformed his toenails from Brown to Starmer like it was only yesterday.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,466

    Second - like the second coming of La Truss

    If you want the economic policies of Liz Truss and the pro-Putin policies of Jeremy Corbyn, vote Reform.

    https://x.com/DavidGauke/status/1804218534568038425
    I would love the economic policies of Liz Truss - perhaps that cretin would prefer us to do the same things we've been doing for the past 30 years and hope that works.

    As for the pro-Putin policies of Corbyn, I'll settle for being neutral, making a huge amount of money off any war, then only actually joining when our fleet gets Pearl Harboured - that strategy doesn't seem to have done America's long term reputation or its bank balance any harm.
    You can't be neutral against evil.
    America stayed out of the war until the end of 1941, with the British Empire liquidated to pay for their help in the war. They joined only when attacked directly, yet still their record in World War II is a pillar of their nation's story. So clearly you can be pretty neutral against it.
    Yes, and that proves my point. Their staying neutral made things much worse for them when they joined, than if they had joined in back in 1939.

    It's interesting to consider what would have happened if the USA had joined in back in 1939. Would France have fallen? would Japan have decided to attack Pearl Harbour given how an America at war would have increased their military output?

    (The last question seems particularly interesting, given the somewhat insane decision to attack Pearl Harbour in the first place.)
    The exclusive focus on Pearl Harbour rather than the simultaneous Japanese attacks on British territories shows how mentally Americanised we have become.
  • OnboardG1OnboardG1 Posts: 1,589
    Andy_JS said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Lewis Goodall finds plenty of backwoodsmen in South Holland & the Deepings.

    https://x.com/TheNewsAgents/status/1804178802475700417

    Something about the way that's phrased makes me think it's all a bit The Lion, The Witch and The Wardrobe.
    It's the funniest thing I've seen for a long time, although I know it's been edited to fit a narrative.
    I've been trying to find a mirror for this, since Twitter is conspiring with l'Internet Traditional au gite to go on strike. How French.
  • Jonathan said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Jonathan said:

    So why on Earth don’t the Tories take Farage apart on Putin? All the big guns. Ram it home from now til 4July.

    They're too busy trying not to lose Tunbridge Wells.
    That is the way not to lose Tunbridge Wells. Win the battle for the right vote.
    True - plus those leaning Lib Dem in Tunbridge Wells are hardly likely to be massive fans of Russia's President either.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,298

    Second - like the second coming of La Truss

    If you want the economic policies of Liz Truss and the pro-Putin policies of Jeremy Corbyn, vote Reform.

    https://x.com/DavidGauke/status/1804218534568038425
    I would love the economic policies of Liz Truss - perhaps that cretin would prefer us to do the same things we've been doing for the past 30 years and hope that works.

    As for the pro-Putin policies of Corbyn, I'll settle for being neutral, making a huge amount of money off any war, then only actually joining when our fleet gets Pearl Harboured - that strategy doesn't seem to have done America's long term reputation or its bank balance any harm.
    You can't be neutral against evil.
    America stayed out of the war until the end of 1941, with the British Empire liquidated to pay for their help in the war. They joined only when attacked directly, yet still their record in World War II is a pillar of their nation's story. So clearly you can be pretty neutral against it.
    Yes, and that proves my point. Their staying neutral made things much worse for them when they joined, than if they had joined in back in 1939.

    It's interesting to consider what would have happened if the USA had joined in back in 1939. Would France have fallen? would Japan have decided to attack Pearl Harbour given how an America at war would have increased their military output?

    (The last question seems particularly interesting, given the somewhat insane decision to attack Pearl Harbour in the first place.)
    USA had no army or Air Force to speak of in 1939. There would have been no meaningful contribution to save Francevin 1940. That US troops were able to take part in Torch in Nov 1942, less than a year after entering the war is nothing short of astonishing. That the Germans failed to conceive of such industrial might is a big reason why they lost the war.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,284

    Farage fans will forgive him anything.

    Or rather people who want a tool with which to hit the establishment will use whichever tool is handy.
    But one can't get much more "establishment" than Farage, Tice and Oakshott. So basically they are selling snake oil.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,727
    Bloody Smarkets - hopeless.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,174
    Scott_xP said:
    There you go- this is not difficult.

    Next step.

    If Richard Tice is watching, what do you make of this? There you were, trying to build a respectable populist right party, and then this clown comes along. He was always going to, but no use crying over spilt milk. You can't do anything, but you can say something. Or what about Lee Anderson. Thirty pee for your thoughts?

    Or all the Farage-curious types in the Conservative politico-media ecosystem. Suella. Jacob. Are you OK with this? Between you and me, I'm rather looking forward to your impending irrelevance, but here's a chance to redeem yourselves before you shuffle off.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 21,925

    Nigel Farage is a massive C word

    No he's not.

    He has neither the depth nor the warmth to be the C word.
  • DoubleDutchDoubleDutch Posts: 161

    Can Nigel Farage fans please explain this?

    Paging @Leon
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 21,925
    rcs1000 said:

    RobD said:

    We need to see the poster of Farage in Putin’s pocket.

    You have to remember that there are a significant number of Brits, like @Luckyguy1983, who are sympathetic towards Putin, just as there were a significant number in 1938 who liked Hitler.
    They are Putinist scum too.
  • Nunu5Nunu5 Posts: 963
    Jonathan said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Jonathan said:

    So why on Earth don’t the Tories take Farage apart on Putin? All the big guns. Ram it home from now til 4July.

    They're too busy trying not to lose Tunbridge Wells.
    That is the way not to lose Tunbridge Wells. Win the battle for the right vote.
    A competent Tory campaign would make hay with this......
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,466

    Farage fans will forgive him anything.

    Or rather people who want a tool with which to hit the establishment will use whichever tool is handy.
    But one can't get much more "establishment" than Farage, Tice and Oakshott. So basically they are selling snake oil.
    That's irrelevant. In the right circumstances even the King could become the tool used to hit the political establishment.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,800
    Can someone please put the exact quote from Farage.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 21,925

    If Farage fails to get elected AGAIN, I will both LOL and LMAO.

    I hope and expect he comes third.

    I'll be quite disappointed in the voters of Clacton if he doesn't.
  • DoubleDutchDoubleDutch Posts: 161
    rcs1000 said:

    RobD said:

    We need to see the poster of Farage in Putin’s pocket.

    You have to remember that there are a significant number of Brits, like @Luckyguy1983, who are sympathetic towards Putin, just as there were a significant number in 1938 who liked Hitler.
    So true

  • OnboardG1OnboardG1 Posts: 1,589

    If Farage fails to get elected AGAIN, I will both LOL and LMAO.

    I hope and expect he comes third.

    I'll be quite disappointed in the voters of Clacton if he doesn't.
    It'll be a hell of a moment if the Tories and Reform shoot themselves to bits and the Labour campaign tiptoes through the carnage to a win.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,685

    Second - like the second coming of La Truss

    If you want the economic policies of Liz Truss and the pro-Putin policies of Jeremy Corbyn, vote Reform.

    https://x.com/DavidGauke/status/1804218534568038425
    I would love the economic policies of Liz Truss - perhaps that cretin would prefer us to do the same things we've been doing for the past 30 years and hope that works.

    As for the pro-Putin policies of Corbyn, I'll settle for being neutral, making a huge amount of money off any war, then only actually joining when our fleet gets Pearl Harboured - that strategy doesn't seem to have done America's long term reputation or its bank balance any harm.
    You can't be neutral against evil.
    America stayed out of the war until the end of 1941, with the British Empire liquidated to pay for their help in the war. They joined only when attacked directly, yet still their record in World War II is a pillar of their nation's story. So clearly you can be pretty neutral against it.
    Yes, and that proves my point. Their staying neutral made things much worse for them when they joined, than if they had joined in back in 1939.

    It's interesting to consider what would have happened if the USA had joined in back in 1939. Would France have fallen? would Japan have decided to attack Pearl Harbour given how an America at war would have increased their military output?

    (The last question seems particularly interesting, given the somewhat insane decision to attack Pearl Harbour in the first place.)
    USA had no army or Air Force to speak of in 1939. There would have been no meaningful contribution to save Francevin 1940. That US troops were able to take part in Torch in Nov 1942, less than a year after entering the war is nothing short of astonishing. That the Germans failed to conceive of such industrial might is a big reason why they lost the war.
    Already beginning to export large numbers of aircraft to France in spring 1940, then diverted to the UK which was already taking plenty.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,740
    Jonathan said:

    So why on Earth don’t the Tories take Farage apart on Putin? All the big guns. Ram it home from now til 4July.

    Because they've spent the better part of a decade trying to curry favour with his support base, and they're finding it difficult to break the habit?
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 21,925
    kinabalu said:

    Why this tendency for the rancid right to side with Putin? It's something in the brain chemistry but I'm not totally sure what.

    Same reason the rancid left does too.

    What's the common denominator between the rancid right and the rancid left, and what first attracted them to Putin?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,937
    @JamesCleverly
    ·
    1h
    Just Farage echoing Putin’s vile justification for the brutal invasion of Ukraine.

    https://x.com/iainmartin1/status/1804239923203182674
  • LloydBanksLloydBanks Posts: 45
    kinabalu said:

    Why this tendency for the rancid right to side with Putin? It's something in the brain chemistry but I'm not totally sure what.

    I'd say it's a mix of the following:

    - Direct Russian funding of far-right organisations in many cases
    - Binary opposition to "the libs" - centre left and general establishment are pro-Ukraine, so they are pro-Russia out of pure contrariness
    - Russia being seen as defenders of 'traditional values' (aka persecuting gay people)
    - Flat out white supremacy (despite Russia having the largest Muslim population by miles in Europe, Turkey aside)
  • OnboardG1OnboardG1 Posts: 1,589
    Carnyx said:

    Second - like the second coming of La Truss

    If you want the economic policies of Liz Truss and the pro-Putin policies of Jeremy Corbyn, vote Reform.

    https://x.com/DavidGauke/status/1804218534568038425
    I would love the economic policies of Liz Truss - perhaps that cretin would prefer us to do the same things we've been doing for the past 30 years and hope that works.

    As for the pro-Putin policies of Corbyn, I'll settle for being neutral, making a huge amount of money off any war, then only actually joining when our fleet gets Pearl Harboured - that strategy doesn't seem to have done America's long term reputation or its bank balance any harm.
    You can't be neutral against evil.
    America stayed out of the war until the end of 1941, with the British Empire liquidated to pay for their help in the war. They joined only when attacked directly, yet still their record in World War II is a pillar of their nation's story. So clearly you can be pretty neutral against it.
    Yes, and that proves my point. Their staying neutral made things much worse for them when they joined, than if they had joined in back in 1939.

    It's interesting to consider what would have happened if the USA had joined in back in 1939. Would France have fallen? would Japan have decided to attack Pearl Harbour given how an America at war would have increased their military output?

    (The last question seems particularly interesting, given the somewhat insane decision to attack Pearl Harbour in the first place.)
    USA had no army or Air Force to speak of in 1939. There would have been no meaningful contribution to save Francevin 1940. That US troops were able to take part in Torch in Nov 1942, less than a year after entering the war is nothing short of astonishing. That the Germans failed to conceive of such industrial might is a big reason why they lost the war.
    Already beginning to export large numbers of aircraft to France in spring 1940, then diverted to the UK which was already taking plenty.
    They had the industrial might and were producing a lot of materiel, it just wasn't the US buying it. Roosevelt was crafty and encouraged the development of the export arms industry to provide jobs and to supply the US Armed Forces if they needed to enter the war.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,284
    Scott_xP said:

    @JamesCleverly
    ·
    1h
    Just Farage echoing Putin’s vile justification for the brutal invasion of Ukraine.

    https://x.com/iainmartin1/status/1804239923203182674

    Cleverly will be hanging on Farage's coat tails come the day after the Reform reverse take over of the Conservatives.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,249
    Phil said:

    So quisling Farage has outed himself as a shill for Putinist talking points already? That didn’t take long. I guess he picked them up from his fellow travellers in the US Republican party.

    Yes. My worry is that, just as Trump's support for Putin changed the opinion of GOP voters, so the same effect will play out here. If Nigel says it, then it's fine with me, could be the reaction of lots of people.

    And then the result is that British support for Ukraine is weakened.

    I hope it doesn't go that way, but there is precedent.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,240

    If Farage fails to get elected AGAIN, I will both LOL and LMAO.

    I hope and expect he comes third.

    I'll be quite disappointed in the voters of Clacton if he doesn't.
    Oh I think the ideal result is for Reform to win Clacton but no other seats - which would mean Farage has to sit in Parliament with a single question in PMQs once a year if he’s lucky.

    He would quickly become irrelevant
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,727
    Carnyx said:

    Second - like the second coming of La Truss

    If you want the economic policies of Liz Truss and the pro-Putin policies of Jeremy Corbyn, vote Reform.

    https://x.com/DavidGauke/status/1804218534568038425
    I would love the economic policies of Liz Truss - perhaps that cretin would prefer us to do the same things we've been doing for the past 30 years and hope that works.

    As for the pro-Putin policies of Corbyn, I'll settle for being neutral, making a huge amount of money off any war, then only actually joining when our fleet gets Pearl Harboured - that strategy doesn't seem to have done America's long term reputation or its bank balance any harm.
    You can't be neutral against evil.
    America stayed out of the war until the end of 1941, with the British Empire liquidated to pay for their help in the war. They joined only when attacked directly, yet still their record in World War II is a pillar of their nation's story. So clearly you can be pretty neutral against it.
    Yes, and that proves my point. Their staying neutral made things much worse for them when they joined, than if they had joined in back in 1939.

    It's interesting to consider what would have happened if the USA had joined in back in 1939. Would France have fallen? would Japan have decided to attack Pearl Harbour given how an America at war would have increased their military output?

    (The last question seems particularly interesting, given the somewhat insane decision to attack Pearl Harbour in the first place.)
    USA had no army or Air Force to speak of in 1939. There would have been no meaningful contribution to save Francevin 1940. That US troops were able to take part in Torch in Nov 1942, less than a year after entering the war is nothing short of astonishing. That the Germans failed to conceive of such industrial might is a big reason why they lost the war.
    Already beginning to export large numbers of aircraft to France in spring 1940, then diverted to the UK which was already taking plenty.
    The actual numbers were small. The aircraft were outdated.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,529
    Omnium said:

    Bloody Smarkets - hopeless.

    The site works fine, but such poor liquidity in so many markets that I have barely used it this election.
  • OnboardG1OnboardG1 Posts: 1,589
    eek said:

    If Farage fails to get elected AGAIN, I will both LOL and LMAO.

    I hope and expect he comes third.

    I'll be quite disappointed in the voters of Clacton if he doesn't.
    Oh I think the ideal result is for Reform to win Clacton but no other seats - which would mean Farage has to sit in Parliament with a single question in PMQs once a year if he’s lucky.

    He would quickly become irrelevant
    I disagree. Without a seat in parliament he has no vector to inject himself into the Tories. He becomes the also-ran, again. He fucks off to the United States to swing off Trump's bum hair next to Truss and we never hear from him again. If he's in Parliament he'll turn up on bloody Question Time every five minutes explaining how gay muslim Labour immigrants are going to kill your gran, and the intriguing about when he'll assume command of the Tories will be endless. In that circumstance I'd actively welcome Boris Johnson coming back to resume his leadership of the Tories, because at least he was just an idiot.
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 7,084
    I think @Mexicanpete is right. The seeds of this started with Johnson’s 2019 purge.

    The decent tories have been silenced or driven out. This country will need them back. They must not let 'the lunatics take over the asylum.'
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,727
    Foxy said:

    Omnium said:

    Bloody Smarkets - hopeless.

    The site works fine, but such poor liquidity in so many markets that I have barely used it this election.
    Just annoyed with them. No matter.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,529
    Sandpit said:

    Still a really dangerous sell.

    I wouldn't sell on this spread, better to look at other markets.
  • MonksfieldMonksfield Posts: 2,803

    Second - like the second coming of La Truss

    If you want the economic policies of Liz Truss and the pro-Putin policies of Jeremy Corbyn, vote Reform.

    https://x.com/DavidGauke/status/1804218534568038425
    Absolutely nails it.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 22,934
    Andy_JS said:

    Lewis Goodall finds plenty of backwoodsmen in South Holland & the Deepings.

    https://x.com/TheNewsAgents/status/1804178802475700417

    Typical bloody Metro-Journalist.

    He says South Holland & the Deepings is in the East of England.

    It's in LINCOLNSHIRE, FFS !
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