Maybe they just think they would be more protected with the bear than a man in the woods
Very much the opposite. If you look on TikTok etc at the meme it is clear that women in general and young women in particular fear attack from unknown men more than they fear bears.
This may well be not realistic, but on forums like this that are male dominated it is easy to miss how many women feel their lives are restricted by the presence of men and the contant fear of this, with the implied threat of sexual violence
As a non drinker I have been on so many girls' night out, it truly is scary what they have to do to keep safe.
I was designated drinks watcher when they went to the bogs or outside for a cig because getting spiked is something that is real.
Never accept a drink from a stranger etc.
I've seen how unsubtle some males can be when they think they're God's gift to women.
lmao Goodwin's published headline figures based on an obviously error-strewn data table:
Here's the data without adjustments. Looks clear to me that the table the headline figures are drawn from, once undecideds and likelihood to vote are factored in, is missing a row of data - the SNP figures should be Plaid's, Plaid's should be in the 'some other party' row.
The error with the table is the rows from SNP down. Hard to know exactly what the problem is (many ways to build a set of tabs), but the SNP data isn't being pulled through and the code is skipping over to the Plaid data (then back round to the unweighted sample at the bottom).
I find this very funny, but it's also very annoying. Casts a poor light on the industry that an outfit that can't check a three-page set of tables properly is publishing polls with BPC membership attached to them.
Can we perhaps have a PB rules exception for Peoplepolling?
Last night it was decreed that the c bomb could be dropped for humanitarian reasons in relation to a small number of individuals.
So the rule that one must not cast aspersions on the professionalism of members of the BPF could perhaps we waived for Mr Goodwin
I am thinking about.
Other pollsters have made screw ups and fixed it asap.
So if this becomes a pattern...
Edit - That said some of his ludicrously worded supplementaries means I take the piss out of him/ignore his polling.
His polls always seem to show the Tories headed for certain extinction at the hands of the purist populist right. For the record, and for the avoidance of any doubt, this is entirely coincidental and the consequence of natural statistical variance.
The latest poll from gold standard Survation by contrast has Reform on just 8%, 6% below where Goodwin has them and the Tories on 24%, 4% higher then Goodwin. Survation also have Labour a bit lower on 44%
Maybe they just think they would be more protected with the bear than a man in the woods
Very much the opposite. If you look on TikTok etc at the meme it is clear that women in general and young women in particular fear attack from unknown men more than they fear bears.
This may well be not realistic, but on forums like this that are male dominated it is easy to miss how many women feel their lives are restricted by the presence of men and the contant fear of this, with the implied threat of sexual violence
As a non drinker I have been on so many girls' night out, it truly is scary what they have to do to keep safe.
I was designated drinks watcher when they went to the bogs or outside for a cig because getting spiked is something that is real.
Never accept a drink from a stranger etc.
I've seen how unsubtle some males can be when they think they're God's gift to women.
Some US uni students, men weirdly, created a chemical addition to nail varnish that changed colour if certain date rape drugs were in a drink which was a good idea but I think they need to put the detection chemical in drinking straws if safe so the straw changes colour.
It’s really grim the sort of shit women do have to put up with from guys on a night out. There’s now a thing where creeps are filming pissed girls at night in revealing outfits and posting all over social media. If these guys spent less time working out how to drug or upskirt women and more time talking like a normal person they might actually find a girlfriend.
Maybe they just think they would be more protected with the bear than a man in the woods
Very much the opposite. If you look on TikTok etc at the meme it is clear that women in general and young women in particular fear attack from unknown men more than they fear bears.
This may well be not realistic, but on forums like this that are male dominated it is easy to miss how many women feel their lives are restricted by the presence of men and the contant fear of this, with the implied threat of sexual violence
As a non drinker I have been on so many girls' night out, it truly is scary what they have to do to keep safe.
I was designated drinks watcher when they went to the bogs or outside for a cig because getting spiked is something that is real.
Never accept a drink from a stranger etc.
I've seen how unsubtle some males can be when they think they're God's gift to women.
Some US uni students, men weirdly, created a chemical addition to nail varnish that changed colour if certain date rape drugs were in a drink which was a good idea but I think they need to put the detection chemical in drinking straws if safe so the straw changes colour.
It’s really grim the sort of shit women do have to put up with from guys on a night out. There’s now a thing where creeps are filming pissed girls at night in revealing outfits and posting all over social media. If these guys spent less time working out how to drug or upskirt women and more time talking like a normal person they might actually find a girlfriend.
It's not an issue these days thanks to Uber but when I was student/early 2000s the big danger was unlicensed taxis for women.
Maybe they just think they would be more protected with the bear than a man in the woods
Very much the opposite. If you look on TikTok etc at the meme it is clear that women in general and young women in particular fear attack from unknown men more than they fear bears.
This may well be not realistic, but on forums like this that are male dominated it is easy to miss how many women feel their lives are restricted by the presence of men and the contant fear of this, with the implied threat of sexual violence
As a non drinker I have been on so many girls' night out, it truly is scary what they have to do to keep safe.
I was designated drinks watcher when they went to the bogs or outside for a cig because getting spiked is something that is real.
Never accept a drink from a stranger etc.
I've seen how unsubtle some males can be when they think they're God's gift to women.
It’s another example of how the bad guys in a particular group give the whole group a bad name. And there are certain men, actually a reasonable number of them, who are utter arses. Including my former brother in law who’s a sociopathic menace in the Donald Trump vein. And now we’re in a world where identity is everything it’s ten times worse.
Same with being Muslim, same with being Jewish. Or transgender. Social media decrees that we take the worst traits of the group we don’t like and present that as the norm.
On the header poll, those who are knowledgeable about gay culture will be aware that a 'bear' is hairy and cuddly but particularly harmless, especially, of course, to women, in whom they have no interest. So the results are no surprise.
Dunno, I'm fairly sure some gay lads with a taste for that sort of thing would like bears to get all harmful on their ass.
What the poor domesticated equine has done to deserve, this who knows?
Grizzly bears in Yellowstone, many years ago. I was riding a Honda 50 motorcycle, which made the encounter more interesting. I gave them the right of way.
A black bear years ago, at a camp site. I had done the usual thing, put all our food in a back pack, threw a stick with a cord attached over a branch, tied the cord to the back pack, and then hoisted the back pack up with the cord, out of the bear's reach.
Some other campers who hadn't taken that precaution lost a little food. Bears at some camp sites have figured out that they can get the food by attacking the knot at the bottom end of the cord, but this one hadn't, or didn't feel the need to.
(Many years ago, some Yellowstone grizzlies had discovered they could pop open VW bugs, by jumping on top of the locked cars.)
On the header poll, those who are knowledgeable about gay culture will be aware that a 'bear' is hairy and cuddly but particularly harmless, especially, of course, to women, in whom they have no interest. So the results are no surprise.
Dunno, I'm fairly sure some gay lads with a taste for that sort of thing would like bears to get all harmful on their ass.
What the poor domesticated equine has done to deserve, this who knows?
And just think about Scotland where the kind of 'bear' one encounters may also be hairy and may or may not be cuddly but is most certainly likely to wear a Glasgow Rangers FC strip - which may also influence the polling.
Grizzly bears in Yellowstone, many years ago. I was riding a Honda 50 motorcycle, which made the encounter more interesting. I gave them the right of way.
A black bear years ago, at a camp site. I had done the usual thing, put all our food in a back pack, threw a stick with a cord attached over a branch, tied the cord to the back pack, and then hoisted the back pack up with the cord, out of the bear's reach.
Some other campers who hadn't taken that precaution lost a little food. Bears at some camp sites have figured out that they can get the food by attacking the knot at the bottom end of the cord, but this one hadn't, or didn't feel the need to.
(Many years ago, some Yellowstone grizzlies had discovered they could pop open VW bugs, by jumping on top of the locked cars.)
On the header poll, those who are knowledgeable about gay culture will be aware that a 'bear' is hairy and cuddly but particularly harmless, especially, of course, to women, in whom they have no interest. So the results are no surprise.
Dunno, I'm fairly sure some gay lads with a taste for that sort of thing would like bears to get all harmful on their ass.
What the poor domesticated equine has done to deserve, this who knows?
And just think about Scotland where the kind of 'bear' one encounters may also be hairy and may or may not be cuddly but is most certainly likely to wear a Glasgow Rangers FC strip - which may also influence the polling.
Animal lover though I am, that sort of bear should be shot on sight.
Grizzly bears in Yellowstone, many years ago. I was riding a Honda 50 motorcycle, which made the encounter more interesting. I gave them the right of way.
A black bear years ago, at a camp site. I had done the usual thing, put all our food in a back pack, threw a stick with a cord attached over a branch, tied the cord to the back pack, and then hoisted the back pack up with the cord, out of the bear's reach.
Some other campers who hadn't taken that precaution lost a little food. Bears at some camp sites have figured out that they can get the food by attacking the knot at the bottom end of the cord, but this one hadn't, or didn't feel the need to.
(Many years ago, some Yellowstone grizzlies had discovered they could pop open VW bugs, by jumping on top of the locked cars.)
That's great stuff.
Happy memories of the school milk at elevenses in the sixties anmd how some of the milk had been pre-opened - some blue tits had learned to peck open the bottle tops to drink the cream And then shown the others how to do it. Your bears are obviouslyt doing the same thing, only on a larger scale!
Grizzly bears in Yellowstone, many years ago. I was riding a Honda 50 motorcycle, which made the encounter more interesting. I gave them the right of way.
A black bear years ago, at a camp site. I had done the usual thing, put all our food in a back pack, threw a stick with a cord attached over a branch, tied the cord to the back pack, and then hoisted the back pack up with the cord, out of the bear's reach.
Some other campers who hadn't taken that precaution lost a little food. Bears at some camp sites have figured out that they can get the food by attacking the knot at the bottom end of the cord, but this one hadn't, or didn't feel the need to.
(Many years ago, some Yellowstone grizzlies had discovered they could pop open VW bugs, by jumping on top of the locked cars.)
Thank you for the advice Officer Dibble.
I’m such an absolute giant arse - officer dibble was in top cat, I meant Ranger Smith.
On the header poll, those who are knowledgeable about gay culture will be aware that a 'bear' is hairy and cuddly but particularly harmless, especially, of course, to women, in whom they have no interest. So the results are no surprise.
Dunno, I'm fairly sure some gay lads with a taste for that sort of thing would like bears to get all harmful on their ass.
What the poor domesticated equine has done to deserve, this who knows?
Er, equine? don't you mean ursine? Or is that another kind of furry?
Grizzly bears in Yellowstone, many years ago. I was riding a Honda 50 motorcycle, which made the encounter more interesting. I gave them the right of way.
A black bear years ago, at a camp site. I had done the usual thing, put all our food in a back pack, threw a stick with a cord attached over a branch, tied the cord to the back pack, and then hoisted the back pack up with the cord, out of the bear's reach.
Some other campers who hadn't taken that precaution lost a little food. Bears at some camp sites have figured out that they can get the food by attacking the knot at the bottom end of the cord, but this one hadn't, or didn't feel the need to.
(Many years ago, some Yellowstone grizzlies had discovered they could pop open VW bugs, by jumping on top of the locked cars.)
That's great stuff.
Happy memories of the school milk at elevenses in the sixties anmd how some of the milk had been pre-opened - some blue tits had learned to peck open the bottle tops to drink the cream And then shown the others how to do it. Your bears are obviouslyt doing the same thing, only on a larger scale!
Blue Tits these days don’t know how good they’ve got it, all those Hello Fresh deliveries to tuck into, none of this boring old milk nonsense like their grandparents.
Grizzly bears in Yellowstone, many years ago. I was riding a Honda 50 motorcycle, which made the encounter more interesting. I gave them the right of way.
A black bear years ago, at a camp site. I had done the usual thing, put all our food in a back pack, threw a stick with a cord attached over a branch, tied the cord to the back pack, and then hoisted the back pack up with the cord, out of the bear's reach.
Some other campers who hadn't taken that precaution lost a little food. Bears at some camp sites have figured out that they can get the food by attacking the knot at the bottom end of the cord, but this one hadn't, or didn't feel the need to.
(Many years ago, some Yellowstone grizzlies had discovered they could pop open VW bugs, by jumping on top of the locked cars.)
That's great stuff.
Happy memories of the school milk at elevenses in the sixties anmd how some of the milk had been pre-opened - some blue tits had learned to peck open the bottle tops to drink the cream And then shown the others how to do it. Your bears are obviouslyt doing the same thing, only on a larger scale!
Blue Tits these days don’t know how good they’ve got it, all those Hello Fresh deliveries to tuck into, none of this boring old milk nonsense like their grandparents.
They can cook? Now that really is another example of Blue Tit cultural evolution to add to what I was taught at uni.
lmao Goodwin's published headline figures based on an obviously error-strewn data table:
Here's the data without adjustments. Looks clear to me that the table the headline figures are drawn from, once undecideds and likelihood to vote are factored in, is missing a row of data - the SNP figures should be Plaid's, Plaid's should be in the 'some other party' row.
The error with the table is the rows from SNP down. Hard to know exactly what the problem is (many ways to build a set of tabs), but the SNP data isn't being pulled through and the code is skipping over to the Plaid data (then back round to the unweighted sample at the bottom).
I find this very funny, but it's also very annoying. Casts a poor light on the industry that an outfit that can't check a three-page set of tables properly is publishing polls with BPC membership attached to them.
Grizzly bears in Yellowstone, many years ago. I was riding a Honda 50 motorcycle, which made the encounter more interesting. I gave them the right of way.
A black bear years ago, at a camp site. I had done the usual thing, put all our food in a back pack, threw a stick with a cord attached over a branch, tied the cord to the back pack, and then hoisted the back pack up with the cord, out of the bear's reach.
Some other campers who hadn't taken that precaution lost a little food. Bears at some camp sites have figured out that they can get the food by attacking the knot at the bottom end of the cord, but this one hadn't, or didn't feel the need to.
(Many years ago, some Yellowstone grizzlies had discovered they could pop open VW bugs, by jumping on top of the locked cars.)
That's great stuff.
Happy memories of the school milk at elevenses in the sixties anmd how some of the milk had been pre-opened - some blue tits had learned to peck open the bottle tops to drink the cream And then shown the others how to do it. Your bears are obviouslyt doing the same thing, only on a larger scale!
Blue Tits these days don’t know how good they’ve got it, all those Hello Fresh deliveries to tuck into, none of this boring old milk nonsense like their grandparents.
They can cook? Now that really is another example of Blue Tit cultural evolution to add to what I was taught at uni.
Hello fresh comes with easy to follow instructions so no problem for the blue tits.
On the header poll, those who are knowledgeable about gay culture will be aware that a 'bear' is hairy and cuddly but particularly harmless, especially, of course, to women, in whom they have no interest. So the results are no surprise.
Dunno, I'm fairly sure some gay lads with a taste for that sort of thing would like bears to get all harmful on their ass.
What the poor domesticated equine has done to deserve, this who knows?
Er, equine? don't you mean ursine? Or is that another kind of furry?
lmao Goodwin's published headline figures based on an obviously error-strewn data table:
Here's the data without adjustments. Looks clear to me that the table the headline figures are drawn from, once undecideds and likelihood to vote are factored in, is missing a row of data - the SNP figures should be Plaid's, Plaid's should be in the 'some other party' row.
The error with the table is the rows from SNP down. Hard to know exactly what the problem is (many ways to build a set of tabs), but the SNP data isn't being pulled through and the code is skipping over to the Plaid data (then back round to the unweighted sample at the bottom).
I find this very funny, but it's also very annoying. Casts a poor light on the industry that an outfit that can't check a three-page set of tables properly is publishing polls with BPC membership attached to them.
On the bear question, there is a rich seam of data and hilarity in the full survey report, including the other question, which is comparing a woman you don't know and a bear. The 8% of men who would rather be stuck with a bear than a woman are probably over represented on PB. https://ygo-assets-websites-editorial-emea.yougov.net/documents/YouGov_-_Man_vs_bear.pdf
Paywalled. Does she say, please, if (a) it's optional and (b) who decides? The council?
Labour’s shadow chancellor has opened the door to rent caps, arguing they could be beneficial if brought in for local areas.
Rachel Reeves insisted she was against a “blanket approach”, but said there may be a “case” for rent controls on a local level.
In an interview with BBC Radio Essex, she suggested councils should get a say on whether to bring in new restrictions, arguing that it “should be up to local areas to decide”.
Ms Reeves was speaking after a Labour-commissioned report found that rents should be capped for tenants who could not afford rising costs.
Paywalled. Does she say, please, if (a) it's optional and (b) who decides? The council?
Labour’s shadow chancellor has opened the door to rent caps, arguing they could be beneficial if brought in for local areas.
Rachel Reeves insisted she was against a “blanket approach”, but said there may be a “case” for rent controls on a local level.
In an interview with BBC Radio Essex, she suggested councils should get a say on whether to bring in new restrictions, arguing that it “should be up to local areas to decide”.
Ms Reeves was speaking after a Labour-commissioned report found that rents should be capped for tenants who could not afford rising costs.
Paywalled. Does she say, please, if (a) it's optional and (b) who decides? The council?
Labour’s shadow chancellor has opened the door to rent caps, arguing they could be beneficial if brought in for local areas.
Rachel Reeves insisted she was against a “blanket approach”, but said there may be a “case” for rent controls on a local level.
In an interview with BBC Radio Essex, she suggested councils should get a say on whether to bring in new restrictions, arguing that it “should be up to local areas to decide”.
Ms Reeves was speaking after a Labour-commissioned report found that rents should be capped for tenants who could not afford rising costs.
If this is part of Labour's policy to devolve more power to local councils, what's not to like? You never know, the odd Tory council may jump at the chance if they think it would reduce pressure on their housing stock, and homelessness.
Fuck landlords! That’s convinced me to vote Labour.
'Rent control appears to be the most efficient technique presently known to destroy a city — except for bombing,'
Exactly as I predicted in a thread a few days ago. I *despise* landlords, but all this means is more pain for tenants. Simple supply and demand.
And before anyone comes back with the "good, more people can own their own place" argument, that's not much comfort to those who are geograpically mobile, or unable to afford their own place or a deposit to save up for one.
Fuck landlords! That’s convinced me to vote Labour.
'Rent control appears to be the most efficient technique presently known to destroy a city — except for bombing,'
Exactly as I predicted in a thread a few days ago. I *despise* landlords, but all this means is more pain for tenants. Simple supply and demand.
And before anyone comes back with the "good, more people can own their own place" argument, that's not much comfort to those who are geograpically mobile, or unable to afford their own place or a deposit to save up for one.
We have already seen that rent controls don't work - look at Scotland.
Problem is the only fix is to build x million new homes and as I pointed out on Twitter in a chat with Dave Herdson earlier - we only just about have the capacity to build the houses we currently build we definitely don't have the skillset to increase that by 10% let alone the 150-200% we require...
And if we want lower rents - we need an awful lot of houses built...
Paywalled. Does she say, please, if (a) it's optional and (b) who decides? The council?
Labour’s shadow chancellor has opened the door to rent caps, arguing they could be beneficial if brought in for local areas.
Rachel Reeves insisted she was against a “blanket approach”, but said there may be a “case” for rent controls on a local level.
In an interview with BBC Radio Essex, she suggested councils should get a say on whether to bring in new restrictions, arguing that it “should be up to local areas to decide”.
Ms Reeves was speaking after a Labour-commissioned report found that rents should be capped for tenants who could not afford rising costs.
If this is part of Labour's policy to devolve more power to local councils, what's not to like? You never know, the odd Tory council may jump at the chance if they think it would reduce pressure on their housing stock, and homelessness.
Good evening
This is the first serious misstep by Reeves and I am very surprised
And solar will be looking pretty grim by midnight.
Why the sarcastic reply?
Coz I think solar is a waste of time in the UK.
I was not intending anything against you, so apologies if it came across that way.
5% of our total generation last year, so it's some way from irrelevant.
It must have the worst return on energy generated per billion spent.
Remember when you and I were virtually the only people on PB willing to say “er, it quite likely came from the lab? The bat virus lab just down the road from the bat virus outbreak?”
Now read this:
“EcoHealth Alliance and Dr. Peter Daszak should never again receive a single penny from the U.S. taxpayer. Only two weeks after the Select Subcommittee released an extensive report detailing EcoHealth’s wrongdoing and recommending the formal debarment of EcoHealth and its president, HHS has begun efforts to cut off all U.S. funding to this corrupt organization. EcoHealth facilitated gain-of-function research in Wuhan, China without proper oversight, willingly violated multiple requirements of its multimillion-dollar National Institutes of Health grant, and apparently made false statements to the NIH. These actions are wholly abhorrent, indefensible, and must be addressed with swift action. EcoHealth’s immediate funding suspension and future debarment is not only a victory for the U.S. taxpayer, but also for American national security and the safety of citizens worldwide" - Chairman Wenstrup, Committee on Oversight and Accountability - COVID-19.
Indeed. Yet there's still some die hards even on here who want to cling to the idea that they weren't being lied to by the "good" side and the "bad" team were right about it all.
We had a uni mates reunion a couple of weekends ago that I was graciously allowed to attend for a few hours by my wife juggling a relative newborn and a toddler. The subject came up (unsurprising given that we all studied chemistry, biochemistry and/or medicine) and the consensus around the room was unanimous that it was a lab leak and that it was likely covered up by the Americans because senior people in their health regulatory infrastructure were implicated. They all work in research and know how easy it is for political pressure to change decisions by journals.
Quite so, quite so. And for a long time it was just you and me willing to say this on PB. And sometimes @Gardenwalker as well
Pitiful
Anyway we now need a reckoning. Science itself needs to be severely scrutinised - from the labs to the journals
Yes agreed, the corruption of science by political operators in healthcare regulation was awful and there does now need to be some measures put in place to insulate science from politicians who were more worried about their dirty dealings with WIV than stopping the virus from spreading.
And solar will be looking pretty grim by midnight.
Why the sarcastic reply?
Coz I think solar is a waste of time in the UK.
I was not intending anything against you, so apologies if it came across that way.
5% of our total generation last year, so it's some way from irrelevant.
It must have the worst return on energy generated per billion spent.
Remember when you and I were virtually the only people on PB willing to say “er, it quite likely came from the lab? The bat virus lab just down the road from the bat virus outbreak?”
Now read this:
“EcoHealth Alliance and Dr. Peter Daszak should never again receive a single penny from the U.S. taxpayer. Only two weeks after the Select Subcommittee released an extensive report detailing EcoHealth’s wrongdoing and recommending the formal debarment of EcoHealth and its president, HHS has begun efforts to cut off all U.S. funding to this corrupt organization. EcoHealth facilitated gain-of-function research in Wuhan, China without proper oversight, willingly violated multiple requirements of its multimillion-dollar National Institutes of Health grant, and apparently made false statements to the NIH. These actions are wholly abhorrent, indefensible, and must be addressed with swift action. EcoHealth’s immediate funding suspension and future debarment is not only a victory for the U.S. taxpayer, but also for American national security and the safety of citizens worldwide" - Chairman Wenstrup, Committee on Oversight and Accountability - COVID-19.
Indeed. Yet there's still some die hards even on here who want to cling to the idea that they weren't being lied to by the "good" side and the "bad" team were right about it all.
We had a uni mates reunion a couple of weekends ago that I was graciously allowed to attend for a few hours by my wife juggling a relative newborn and a toddler. The subject came up (unsurprising given that we all studied chemistry, biochemistry and/or medicine) and the consensus around the room was unanimous that it was a lab leak and that it was likely covered up by the Americans because senior people in their health regulatory infrastructure were implicated. They all work in research and know how easy it is for political pressure to change decisions by journals.
Quite so, quite so. And for a long time it was just you and me willing to say this on PB. And sometimes @Gardenwalker as well
Pitiful
Anyway we now need a reckoning. Science itself needs to be severely scrutinised - from the labs to the journals
Yes agreed, the corruption of science by political operators in healthcare regulation was awful and there does now need to be some measures put in place to insulate science from politicians who were more worried about their dirty dealings with WIV than stopping the virus from spreading.
Wenstrup believes Trump won the 2020 election.
It’s a bipartisan committee investigating Covid origins. Equal Dems and Reps. See here
And this is their conclusion on Ecohealth, who ran the gain of function bat coronovirus virology for Fauci at Wuhan
🚨BREAKING🚨
Today, based on evidence uncovered in @COVIDSelect's recent report, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services commenced formal debarment proceedings against EcoHealth Alliance.
EcoHealth will now face an immediate, government-wide suspension of taxpayer funds — including a hold on all active grants.
Paywalled. Does she say, please, if (a) it's optional and (b) who decides? The council?
Labour’s shadow chancellor has opened the door to rent caps, arguing they could be beneficial if brought in for local areas.
Rachel Reeves insisted she was against a “blanket approach”, but said there may be a “case” for rent controls on a local level.
In an interview with BBC Radio Essex, she suggested councils should get a say on whether to bring in new restrictions, arguing that it “should be up to local areas to decide”.
Ms Reeves was speaking after a Labour-commissioned report found that rents should be capped for tenants who could not afford rising costs.
If this is part of Labour's policy to devolve more power to local councils, what's not to like? You never know, the odd Tory council may jump at the chance if they think it would reduce pressure on their housing stock, and homelessness.
Good evening
This is the first serious misstep by Reeves and I am very surprised
Rent controls do not work
If highly targeted they could potentially work. They absolutely don’t work at city or regional level, but as a form of localised social engineering perhaps there’s a role for them. The housing benefit cap did huge damage to the social fabric of inner city London: social cleansing, with most areas now largely uniformly only available to the very richest. So if localised rental caps reverse some of that then good.
The volte face on Ecohealth by the US Congress is a bit like the Cass Report. Years of weird madness - it came from the market! Ignore the bat virus lab 200 yards away!! - have come to a juddering halt
And solar will be looking pretty grim by midnight.
Why the sarcastic reply?
Coz I think solar is a waste of time in the UK.
I was not intending anything against you, so apologies if it came across that way.
5% of our total generation last year, so it's some way from irrelevant.
It must have the worst return on energy generated per billion spent.
Remember when you and I were virtually the only people on PB willing to say “er, it quite likely came from the lab? The bat virus lab just down the road from the bat virus outbreak?”
Now read this:
“EcoHealth Alliance and Dr. Peter Daszak should never again receive a single penny from the U.S. taxpayer. Only two weeks after the Select Subcommittee released an extensive report detailing EcoHealth’s wrongdoing and recommending the formal debarment of EcoHealth and its president, HHS has begun efforts to cut off all U.S. funding to this corrupt organization. EcoHealth facilitated gain-of-function research in Wuhan, China without proper oversight, willingly violated multiple requirements of its multimillion-dollar National Institutes of Health grant, and apparently made false statements to the NIH. These actions are wholly abhorrent, indefensible, and must be addressed with swift action. EcoHealth’s immediate funding suspension and future debarment is not only a victory for the U.S. taxpayer, but also for American national security and the safety of citizens worldwide" - Chairman Wenstrup, Committee on Oversight and Accountability - COVID-19.
Indeed. Yet there's still some die hards even on here who want to cling to the idea that they weren't being lied to by the "good" side and the "bad" team were right about it all.
We had a uni mates reunion a couple of weekends ago that I was graciously allowed to attend for a few hours by my wife juggling a relative newborn and a toddler. The subject came up (unsurprising given that we all studied chemistry, biochemistry and/or medicine) and the consensus around the room was unanimous that it was a lab leak and that it was likely covered up by the Americans because senior people in their health regulatory infrastructure were implicated. They all work in research and know how easy it is for political pressure to change decisions by journals.
Quite so, quite so. And for a long time it was just you and me willing to say this on PB. And sometimes @Gardenwalker as well
Pitiful
Anyway we now need a reckoning. Science itself needs to be severely scrutinised - from the labs to the journals
Yes agreed, the corruption of science by political operators in healthcare regulation was awful and there does now need to be some measures put in place to insulate science from politicians who were more worried about their dirty dealings with WIV than stopping the virus from spreading.
Wenstrup believes Trump won the 2020 election.
It’s a bipartisan committee investigating Covid origins. Equal Dems and Reps. See here
And this is their conclusion on Ecohealth, who ran the gain of function bat coronovirus virology for Fauci at Wuhan
🚨BREAKING🚨
Today, based on evidence uncovered in @COVIDSelect's recent report, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services commenced formal debarment proceedings against EcoHealth Alliance.
EcoHealth will now face an immediate, government-wide suspension of taxpayer funds — including a hold on all active grants.
And solar will be looking pretty grim by midnight.
Why the sarcastic reply?
Coz I think solar is a waste of time in the UK.
I was not intending anything against you, so apologies if it came across that way.
5% of our total generation last year, so it's some way from irrelevant.
It must have the worst return on energy generated per billion spent.
Remember when you and I were virtually the only people on PB willing to say “er, it quite likely came from the lab? The bat virus lab just down the road from the bat virus outbreak?”
Now read this:
“EcoHealth Alliance and Dr. Peter Daszak should never again receive a single penny from the U.S. taxpayer. Only two weeks after the Select Subcommittee released an extensive report detailing EcoHealth’s wrongdoing and recommending the formal debarment of EcoHealth and its president, HHS has begun efforts to cut off all U.S. funding to this corrupt organization. EcoHealth facilitated gain-of-function research in Wuhan, China without proper oversight, willingly violated multiple requirements of its multimillion-dollar National Institutes of Health grant, and apparently made false statements to the NIH. These actions are wholly abhorrent, indefensible, and must be addressed with swift action. EcoHealth’s immediate funding suspension and future debarment is not only a victory for the U.S. taxpayer, but also for American national security and the safety of citizens worldwide" - Chairman Wenstrup, Committee on Oversight and Accountability - COVID-19.
Indeed. Yet there's still some die hards even on here who want to cling to the idea that they weren't being lied to by the "good" side and the "bad" team were right about it all.
We had a uni mates reunion a couple of weekends ago that I was graciously allowed to attend for a few hours by my wife juggling a relative newborn and a toddler. The subject came up (unsurprising given that we all studied chemistry, biochemistry and/or medicine) and the consensus around the room was unanimous that it was a lab leak and that it was likely covered up by the Americans because senior people in their health regulatory infrastructure were implicated. They all work in research and know how easy it is for political pressure to change decisions by journals.
Quite so, quite so. And for a long time it was just you and me willing to say this on PB. And sometimes @Gardenwalker as well
Pitiful
Anyway we now need a reckoning. Science itself needs to be severely scrutinised - from the labs to the journals
Yes agreed, the corruption of science by political operators in healthcare regulation was awful and there does now need to be some measures put in place to insulate science from politicians who were more worried about their dirty dealings with WIV than stopping the virus from spreading.
Wenstrup believes Trump won the 2020 election.
It’s a bipartisan committee investigating Covid origins. Equal Dems and Reps. See here
And this is their conclusion on Ecohealth, who ran the gain of function bat coronovirus virology for Fauci at Wuhan
🚨BREAKING🚨
Today, based on evidence uncovered in @COVIDSelect's recent report, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services commenced formal debarment proceedings against EcoHealth Alliance.
EcoHealth will now face an immediate, government-wide suspension of taxpayer funds — including a hold on all active grants.
Hitler and the Nazis maintained and extended the rent controls instituted by the Weimar Republic in 1922. So let's not slander Ms Reeves. She's as bad as Hitler in this case, but not obviously worse than him.
The volte face on Ecohealth by the US Congress is a bit like the Cass Report. Years of weird madness - it came from the market! Ignore the bat virus lab 200 yards away!! - have come to a juddering halt
No, those two are very different. The origin of Covid question is binary: either it leaked from a lab or not. And I think we all know it probably leaked from a lab.
The treatment of some of the most vulnerable young people in the country is not binary. It demands understanding, nuance, and the rejection of extreme positions on all sides.
And solar will be looking pretty grim by midnight.
Why the sarcastic reply?
Coz I think solar is a waste of time in the UK.
I was not intending anything against you, so apologies if it came across that way.
5% of our total generation last year, so it's some way from irrelevant.
It must have the worst return on energy generated per billion spent.
Remember when you and I were virtually the only people on PB willing to say “er, it quite likely came from the lab? The bat virus lab just down the road from the bat virus outbreak?”
Now read this:
“EcoHealth Alliance and Dr. Peter Daszak should never again receive a single penny from the U.S. taxpayer. Only two weeks after the Select Subcommittee released an extensive report detailing EcoHealth’s wrongdoing and recommending the formal debarment of EcoHealth and its president, HHS has begun efforts to cut off all U.S. funding to this corrupt organization. EcoHealth facilitated gain-of-function research in Wuhan, China without proper oversight, willingly violated multiple requirements of its multimillion-dollar National Institutes of Health grant, and apparently made false statements to the NIH. These actions are wholly abhorrent, indefensible, and must be addressed with swift action. EcoHealth’s immediate funding suspension and future debarment is not only a victory for the U.S. taxpayer, but also for American national security and the safety of citizens worldwide" - Chairman Wenstrup, Committee on Oversight and Accountability - COVID-19.
Indeed. Yet there's still some die hards even on here who want to cling to the idea that they weren't being lied to by the "good" side and the "bad" team were right about it all.
We had a uni mates reunion a couple of weekends ago that I was graciously allowed to attend for a few hours by my wife juggling a relative newborn and a toddler. The subject came up (unsurprising given that we all studied chemistry, biochemistry and/or medicine) and the consensus around the room was unanimous that it was a lab leak and that it was likely covered up by the Americans because senior people in their health regulatory infrastructure were implicated. They all work in research and know how easy it is for political pressure to change decisions by journals.
Quite so, quite so. And for a long time it was just you and me willing to say this on PB. And sometimes @Gardenwalker as well
Pitiful
Anyway we now need a reckoning. Science itself needs to be severely scrutinised - from the labs to the journals
Yes agreed, the corruption of science by political operators in healthcare regulation was awful and there does now need to be some measures put in place to insulate science from politicians who were more worried about their dirty dealings with WIV than stopping the virus from spreading.
Wenstrup believes Trump won the 2020 election.
It’s a bipartisan committee investigating Covid origins. Equal Dems and Reps. See here
And this is their conclusion on Ecohealth, who ran the gain of function bat coronovirus virology for Fauci at Wuhan
🚨BREAKING🚨
Today, based on evidence uncovered in @COVIDSelect's recent report, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services commenced formal debarment proceedings against EcoHealth Alliance.
EcoHealth will now face an immediate, government-wide suspension of taxpayer funds — including a hold on all active grants.
And solar will be looking pretty grim by midnight.
Why the sarcastic reply?
Coz I think solar is a waste of time in the UK.
I was not intending anything against you, so apologies if it came across that way.
5% of our total generation last year, so it's some way from irrelevant.
It must have the worst return on energy generated per billion spent.
Remember when you and I were virtually the only people on PB willing to say “er, it quite likely came from the lab? The bat virus lab just down the road from the bat virus outbreak?”
Now read this:
“EcoHealth Alliance and Dr. Peter Daszak should never again receive a single penny from the U.S. taxpayer. Only two weeks after the Select Subcommittee released an extensive report detailing EcoHealth’s wrongdoing and recommending the formal debarment of EcoHealth and its president, HHS has begun efforts to cut off all U.S. funding to this corrupt organization. EcoHealth facilitated gain-of-function research in Wuhan, China without proper oversight, willingly violated multiple requirements of its multimillion-dollar National Institutes of Health grant, and apparently made false statements to the NIH. These actions are wholly abhorrent, indefensible, and must be addressed with swift action. EcoHealth’s immediate funding suspension and future debarment is not only a victory for the U.S. taxpayer, but also for American national security and the safety of citizens worldwide" - Chairman Wenstrup, Committee on Oversight and Accountability - COVID-19.
Indeed. Yet there's still some die hards even on here who want to cling to the idea that they weren't being lied to by the "good" side and the "bad" team were right about it all.
We had a uni mates reunion a couple of weekends ago that I was graciously allowed to attend for a few hours by my wife juggling a relative newborn and a toddler. The subject came up (unsurprising given that we all studied chemistry, biochemistry and/or medicine) and the consensus around the room was unanimous that it was a lab leak and that it was likely covered up by the Americans because senior people in their health regulatory infrastructure were implicated. They all work in research and know how easy it is for political pressure to change decisions by journals.
Quite so, quite so. And for a long time it was just you and me willing to say this on PB. And sometimes @Gardenwalker as well
Pitiful
Anyway we now need a reckoning. Science itself needs to be severely scrutinised - from the labs to the journals
Yes agreed, the corruption of science by political operators in healthcare regulation was awful and there does now need to be some measures put in place to insulate science from politicians who were more worried about their dirty dealings with WIV than stopping the virus from spreading.
Wenstrup believes Trump won the 2020 election.
It’s a bipartisan committee investigating Covid origins. Equal Dems and Reps. See here
And this is their conclusion on Ecohealth, who ran the gain of function bat coronovirus virology for Fauci at Wuhan
🚨BREAKING🚨
Today, based on evidence uncovered in @COVIDSelect's recent report, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services commenced formal debarment proceedings against EcoHealth Alliance.
EcoHealth will now face an immediate, government-wide suspension of taxpayer funds — including a hold on all active grants.
Its over. All the years of lies and gaslighting are over. It’s done
No doubt we’ll never get the full facts, given it happened in China, but at least the ridiculous taboo on Lab leak is now lifted.
I don’t recall you ever putting your head over the parapet before. Forgive me if I don’t applaud you now
To be fair, TimS and I, plus a few other PB regulars were on Reddit in 2017 agreeing it was a lab leak. Some people though didn’t cotton on until 2020 where they were behind the curve and not seeing world changing things before they happened. Up your game.
I cannot help but feel that being with a bear in the woods is an ideal position to answer the eternal question and, should it be in the positive, provide toilet paper and perhaps a little paw wetwipe. This is obviously the sensible approach.
(narrator: bears are evil land sharks in a fur coat and should be shot on sight)
And solar will be looking pretty grim by midnight.
Why the sarcastic reply?
Coz I think solar is a waste of time in the UK.
I was not intending anything against you, so apologies if it came across that way.
5% of our total generation last year, so it's some way from irrelevant.
It must have the worst return on energy generated per billion spent.
Remember when you and I were virtually the only people on PB willing to say “er, it quite likely came from the lab? The bat virus lab just down the road from the bat virus outbreak?”
Now read this:
“EcoHealth Alliance and Dr. Peter Daszak should never again receive a single penny from the U.S. taxpayer. Only two weeks after the Select Subcommittee released an extensive report detailing EcoHealth’s wrongdoing and recommending the formal debarment of EcoHealth and its president, HHS has begun efforts to cut off all U.S. funding to this corrupt organization. EcoHealth facilitated gain-of-function research in Wuhan, China without proper oversight, willingly violated multiple requirements of its multimillion-dollar National Institutes of Health grant, and apparently made false statements to the NIH. These actions are wholly abhorrent, indefensible, and must be addressed with swift action. EcoHealth’s immediate funding suspension and future debarment is not only a victory for the U.S. taxpayer, but also for American national security and the safety of citizens worldwide" - Chairman Wenstrup, Committee on Oversight and Accountability - COVID-19.
Indeed. Yet there's still some die hards even on here who want to cling to the idea that they weren't being lied to by the "good" side and the "bad" team were right about it all.
We had a uni mates reunion a couple of weekends ago that I was graciously allowed to attend for a few hours by my wife juggling a relative newborn and a toddler. The subject came up (unsurprising given that we all studied chemistry, biochemistry and/or medicine) and the consensus around the room was unanimous that it was a lab leak and that it was likely covered up by the Americans because senior people in their health regulatory infrastructure were implicated. They all work in research and know how easy it is for political pressure to change decisions by journals.
Quite so, quite so. And for a long time it was just you and me willing to say this on PB. And sometimes @Gardenwalker as well
Pitiful
Anyway we now need a reckoning. Science itself needs to be severely scrutinised - from the labs to the journals
Yes agreed, the corruption of science by political operators in healthcare regulation was awful and there does now need to be some measures put in place to insulate science from politicians who were more worried about their dirty dealings with WIV than stopping the virus from spreading.
By which you mean the Chinese, right? Who maintained air travel in and out to ensure spread to the rest of the world?
The UK probably did more to contaminate the world than the Chinese. All politicians, the world over, need to consider quite why air travel continued as it did.
The UK? Not even the first place to be hit hard by Covid in Europe?
I'd have plenty to criticise about the UK response to the pandemic but, "more responsible for global spread than the Chinese," isn't on my radar.
What a bizarre opinion.
Bizarre or not, the airports in the UK are perhaps the most intense possible sources on the planet.
US domestic airline traffic bounced back very quickly, and all the evidence showed that airtravel had negligible effect on spread. There were some superspreader events, when one highly infectious person infected a dozen or more people, but overall states where air travel was essentially unchanged (i.e. Florida-Texas) had no meaningful increase in infection rates.
So, while partygoers in Spain returning home with Covid might have been a factor, air travel in itself does not seem to have had any measureable effect once the virus has taken hold. (And that's not surprising, because you are going to be exporting people with Covid at roughly the same rate that you import them.)
I cannot help but feel that being with a bear in the woods is an ideal position to answer the eternal question and, should it be in the positive, provide toilet paper and perhaps a little paw wetwipe. This is obviously the sensible approach.
(narrator: bears are evil land sharks in a fur coat and should be shot on sight)
So the question should have been “do men shit in the woods”. I think I’ve shat in the woods once, as a teenager. Never since.
I think the question needs to be more specific. What about a bear that identifies as a man? Is species something that is really assigned at birth and which is unchangeable?
The volte face on Ecohealth by the US Congress is a bit like the Cass Report. Years of weird madness - it came from the market! Ignore the bat virus lab 200 yards away!! - have come to a juddering halt
No, those two are very different. The origin of Covid question is binary: either it leaked from a lab or not. And I think we all know it probably leaked from a lab.
The treatment of some of the most vulnerable young people in the country is not binary. It demands understanding, nuance, and the rejection of extreme positions on all sides.
No. The parallel is the insanity of both positions
A novel bat coronavirus with weird signs of extra pathogenicity emerges in the one city in the world with a lab trying to make novel bat coronaviruses more pathogenic - but saying there is a link is a racist conspiracy theory!
See also
Men can be women just by saying they are and they should then be allowed access to women’s sports and prisons and safe spaces and it’s normal that suddenly millions of kids don’t know what gender they are for the first time in history
Both are obviously and totally crazy; both were the official and firmly enforced consensus for years. Both have done terrible damage. One prevented us properly investigating a virus that killed 20m people; one has damaged many thousands of lives
I cannot help but feel that being with a bear in the woods is an ideal position to answer the eternal question and, should it be in the positive, provide toilet paper and perhaps a little paw wetwipe. This is obviously the sensible approach.
(narrator: bears are evil land sharks in a fur coat and should be shot on sight)
So the question should have been “do men shit in the woods”. I think I’ve shat in the woods once, as a teenager. Never since.
And solar will be looking pretty grim by midnight.
Why the sarcastic reply?
Coz I think solar is a waste of time in the UK.
I was not intending anything against you, so apologies if it came across that way.
5% of our total generation last year, so it's some way from irrelevant.
It must have the worst return on energy generated per billion spent.
Remember when you and I were virtually the only people on PB willing to say “er, it quite likely came from the lab? The bat virus lab just down the road from the bat virus outbreak?”
Now read this:
“EcoHealth Alliance and Dr. Peter Daszak should never again receive a single penny from the U.S. taxpayer. Only two weeks after the Select Subcommittee released an extensive report detailing EcoHealth’s wrongdoing and recommending the formal debarment of EcoHealth and its president, HHS has begun efforts to cut off all U.S. funding to this corrupt organization. EcoHealth facilitated gain-of-function research in Wuhan, China without proper oversight, willingly violated multiple requirements of its multimillion-dollar National Institutes of Health grant, and apparently made false statements to the NIH. These actions are wholly abhorrent, indefensible, and must be addressed with swift action. EcoHealth’s immediate funding suspension and future debarment is not only a victory for the U.S. taxpayer, but also for American national security and the safety of citizens worldwide" - Chairman Wenstrup, Committee on Oversight and Accountability - COVID-19.
Indeed. Yet there's still some die hards even on here who want to cling to the idea that they weren't being lied to by the "good" side and the "bad" team were right about it all.
We had a uni mates reunion a couple of weekends ago that I was graciously allowed to attend for a few hours by my wife juggling a relative newborn and a toddler. The subject came up (unsurprising given that we all studied chemistry, biochemistry and/or medicine) and the consensus around the room was unanimous that it was a lab leak and that it was likely covered up by the Americans because senior people in their health regulatory infrastructure were implicated. They all work in research and know how easy it is for political pressure to change decisions by journals.
Quite so, quite so. And for a long time it was just you and me willing to say this on PB. And sometimes @Gardenwalker as well
Pitiful
Anyway we now need a reckoning. Science itself needs to be severely scrutinised - from the labs to the journals
Yes agreed, the corruption of science by political operators in healthcare regulation was awful and there does now need to be some measures put in place to insulate science from politicians who were more worried about their dirty dealings with WIV than stopping the virus from spreading.
Wenstrup believes Trump won the 2020 election.
It’s a bipartisan committee investigating Covid origins. Equal Dems and Reps. See here
And this is their conclusion on Ecohealth, who ran the gain of function bat coronovirus virology for Fauci at Wuhan
🚨BREAKING🚨
Today, based on evidence uncovered in @COVIDSelect's recent report, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services commenced formal debarment proceedings against EcoHealth Alliance.
EcoHealth will now face an immediate, government-wide suspension of taxpayer funds — including a hold on all active grants.
Its over. All the years of lies and gaslighting are over. It’s done
No doubt we’ll never get the full facts, given it happened in China, but at least the ridiculous taboo on Lab leak is now lifted.
What taboo? People have been going on about the “Lab leak” for years!
It’s a majority Republican committee, with one its members being Marjorie Taylor Greene, so I could barely rustle up the interest to look at what they said. But I did, and what they said doesn’t remotely prove there was a lab leak. It’s half a dozen steps from proving anything. It’s like when SeanT kept telling us how some US Committee proved UFOs exist: excitable nonsense.
Everything else we know — where the first cases were, the genetic variation in the early cases, the environmental samples from the wet market, etc. — all demonstrate that this was a zoonotic event, like every other pandemic.
And solar will be looking pretty grim by midnight.
Why the sarcastic reply?
Coz I think solar is a waste of time in the UK.
I was not intending anything against you, so apologies if it came across that way.
5% of our total generation last year, so it's some way from irrelevant.
It must have the worst return on energy generated per billion spent.
Remember when you and I were virtually the only people on PB willing to say “er, it quite likely came from the lab? The bat virus lab just down the road from the bat virus outbreak?”
Now read this:
“EcoHealth Alliance and Dr. Peter Daszak should never again receive a single penny from the U.S. taxpayer. Only two weeks after the Select Subcommittee released an extensive report detailing EcoHealth’s wrongdoing and recommending the formal debarment of EcoHealth and its president, HHS has begun efforts to cut off all U.S. funding to this corrupt organization. EcoHealth facilitated gain-of-function research in Wuhan, China without proper oversight, willingly violated multiple requirements of its multimillion-dollar National Institutes of Health grant, and apparently made false statements to the NIH. These actions are wholly abhorrent, indefensible, and must be addressed with swift action. EcoHealth’s immediate funding suspension and future debarment is not only a victory for the U.S. taxpayer, but also for American national security and the safety of citizens worldwide" - Chairman Wenstrup, Committee on Oversight and Accountability - COVID-19.
Indeed. Yet there's still some die hards even on here who want to cling to the idea that they weren't being lied to by the "good" side and the "bad" team were right about it all.
We had a uni mates reunion a couple of weekends ago that I was graciously allowed to attend for a few hours by my wife juggling a relative newborn and a toddler. The subject came up (unsurprising given that we all studied chemistry, biochemistry and/or medicine) and the consensus around the room was unanimous that it was a lab leak and that it was likely covered up by the Americans because senior people in their health regulatory infrastructure were implicated. They all work in research and know how easy it is for political pressure to change decisions by journals.
Quite so, quite so. And for a long time it was just you and me willing to say this on PB. And sometimes @Gardenwalker as well
Pitiful
Anyway we now need a reckoning. Science itself needs to be severely scrutinised - from the labs to the journals
Yes agreed, the corruption of science by political operators in healthcare regulation was awful and there does now need to be some measures put in place to insulate science from politicians who were more worried about their dirty dealings with WIV than stopping the virus from spreading.
Wenstrup believes Trump won the 2020 election.
Oh dear! That's a cred destroyer if ever there was one. It's a bit lazy but you won't do too badly if you just blithely assume that everything a Trump apologist says is wrong.
And solar will be looking pretty grim by midnight.
Why the sarcastic reply?
Coz I think solar is a waste of time in the UK.
I was not intending anything against you, so apologies if it came across that way.
5% of our total generation last year, so it's some way from irrelevant.
It must have the worst return on energy generated per billion spent.
Remember when you and I were virtually the only people on PB willing to say “er, it quite likely came from the lab? The bat virus lab just down the road from the bat virus outbreak?”
Now read this:
“EcoHealth Alliance and Dr. Peter Daszak should never again receive a single penny from the U.S. taxpayer. Only two weeks after the Select Subcommittee released an extensive report detailing EcoHealth’s wrongdoing and recommending the formal debarment of EcoHealth and its president, HHS has begun efforts to cut off all U.S. funding to this corrupt organization. EcoHealth facilitated gain-of-function research in Wuhan, China without proper oversight, willingly violated multiple requirements of its multimillion-dollar National Institutes of Health grant, and apparently made false statements to the NIH. These actions are wholly abhorrent, indefensible, and must be addressed with swift action. EcoHealth’s immediate funding suspension and future debarment is not only a victory for the U.S. taxpayer, but also for American national security and the safety of citizens worldwide" - Chairman Wenstrup, Committee on Oversight and Accountability - COVID-19.
Indeed. Yet there's still some die hards even on here who want to cling to the idea that they weren't being lied to by the "good" side and the "bad" team were right about it all.
We had a uni mates reunion a couple of weekends ago that I was graciously allowed to attend for a few hours by my wife juggling a relative newborn and a toddler. The subject came up (unsurprising given that we all studied chemistry, biochemistry and/or medicine) and the consensus around the room was unanimous that it was a lab leak and that it was likely covered up by the Americans because senior people in their health regulatory infrastructure were implicated. They all work in research and know how easy it is for political pressure to change decisions by journals.
Quite so, quite so. And for a long time it was just you and me willing to say this on PB. And sometimes @Gardenwalker as well
Pitiful
Anyway we now need a reckoning. Science itself needs to be severely scrutinised - from the labs to the journals
Yes agreed, the corruption of science by political operators in healthcare regulation was awful and there does now need to be some measures put in place to insulate science from politicians who were more worried about their dirty dealings with WIV than stopping the virus from spreading.
Wenstrup believes Trump won the 2020 election.
It’s a bipartisan committee investigating Covid origins. Equal Dems and Reps. See here
And this is their conclusion on Ecohealth, who ran the gain of function bat coronovirus virology for Fauci at Wuhan
🚨BREAKING🚨
Today, based on evidence uncovered in @COVIDSelect's recent report, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services commenced formal debarment proceedings against EcoHealth Alliance.
EcoHealth will now face an immediate, government-wide suspension of taxpayer funds — including a hold on all active grants.
Its over. All the years of lies and gaslighting are over. It’s done
No doubt we’ll never get the full facts, given it happened in China, but at least the ridiculous taboo on Lab leak is now lifted.
I don’t recall you ever putting your head over the parapet before. Forgive me if I don’t applaud you now
To be fair, TimS and I, plus a few other PB regulars were on Reddit in 2017 agreeing it was a lab leak. Some people though didn’t cotton on until 2020 where they were behind the curve and not seeing world changing things before they happened. Up your game.
You were talking about Covid 2 years before it broke out?
And solar will be looking pretty grim by midnight.
Why the sarcastic reply?
Coz I think solar is a waste of time in the UK.
I was not intending anything against you, so apologies if it came across that way.
5% of our total generation last year, so it's some way from irrelevant.
It must have the worst return on energy generated per billion spent.
Remember when you and I were virtually the only people on PB willing to say “er, it quite likely came from the lab? The bat virus lab just down the road from the bat virus outbreak?”
Now read this:
“EcoHealth Alliance and Dr. Peter Daszak should never again receive a single penny from the U.S. taxpayer. Only two weeks after the Select Subcommittee released an extensive report detailing EcoHealth’s wrongdoing and recommending the formal debarment of EcoHealth and its president, HHS has begun efforts to cut off all U.S. funding to this corrupt organization. EcoHealth facilitated gain-of-function research in Wuhan, China without proper oversight, willingly violated multiple requirements of its multimillion-dollar National Institutes of Health grant, and apparently made false statements to the NIH. These actions are wholly abhorrent, indefensible, and must be addressed with swift action. EcoHealth’s immediate funding suspension and future debarment is not only a victory for the U.S. taxpayer, but also for American national security and the safety of citizens worldwide" - Chairman Wenstrup, Committee on Oversight and Accountability - COVID-19.
Indeed. Yet there's still some die hards even on here who want to cling to the idea that they weren't being lied to by the "good" side and the "bad" team were right about it all.
We had a uni mates reunion a couple of weekends ago that I was graciously allowed to attend for a few hours by my wife juggling a relative newborn and a toddler. The subject came up (unsurprising given that we all studied chemistry, biochemistry and/or medicine) and the consensus around the room was unanimous that it was a lab leak and that it was likely covered up by the Americans because senior people in their health regulatory infrastructure were implicated. They all work in research and know how easy it is for political pressure to change decisions by journals.
Quite so, quite so. And for a long time it was just you and me willing to say this on PB. And sometimes @Gardenwalker as well
Pitiful
Anyway we now need a reckoning. Science itself needs to be severely scrutinised - from the labs to the journals
Yes agreed, the corruption of science by political operators in healthcare regulation was awful and there does now need to be some measures put in place to insulate science from politicians who were more worried about their dirty dealings with WIV than stopping the virus from spreading.
Wenstrup believes Trump won the 2020 election.
It’s a bipartisan committee investigating Covid origins. Equal Dems and Reps. See here
And this is their conclusion on Ecohealth, who ran the gain of function bat coronovirus virology for Fauci at Wuhan
🚨BREAKING🚨
Today, based on evidence uncovered in @COVIDSelect's recent report, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services commenced formal debarment proceedings against EcoHealth Alliance.
EcoHealth will now face an immediate, government-wide suspension of taxpayer funds — including a hold on all active grants.
Its over. All the years of lies and gaslighting are over. It’s done
No doubt we’ll never get the full facts, given it happened in China, but at least the ridiculous taboo on Lab leak is now lifted.
What taboo? People have been going on about the “Lab leak” for years!
It’s a majority Republican committee, with one its members being Marjorie Taylor Greene, so I could barely rustle up the interest to look at what they said. But I did, and what they said doesn’t remotely prove there was a lab leak. It’s half a dozen steps from proving anything. It’s like when SeanT kept telling us how some US Committee proved UFOs exist: excitable nonsense.
Everything else we know — where the first cases were, the genetic variation in the early cases, the environmental samples from the wet market, etc. — all demonstrate that this was a zoonotic event, like every other pandemic.
Hang on.
The first cases happened to be in the same city where there just happened to be the world's number one bat virus research facility.
That's a hell of a coincidence. Not impossible, sure. But a hell of a coincidence.
The volte face on Ecohealth by the US Congress is a bit like the Cass Report. Years of weird madness - it came from the market! Ignore the bat virus lab 200 yards away!! - have come to a juddering halt
No, those two are very different. The origin of Covid question is binary: either it leaked from a lab or not. And I think we all know it probably leaked from a lab.
The treatment of some of the most vulnerable young people in the country is not binary. It demands understanding, nuance, and the rejection of extreme positions on all sides.
No. The parallel is the insanity of both positions
A novel bat coronavirus with weird signs of extra pathogenicity emerges in the one city in the world with a lab trying to make novel bat coronaviruses more pathogenic - but saying there is a link is a racist conspiracy theory!
See also
Men can be women just by saying they are and they should then be allowed access to women’s sports and prisons and safe spaces and it’s normal that suddenly millions of kids don’t know what gender they are for the first time in history
Both are obviously and totally crazy; both were the official and firmly enforced consensus for years. Both have done terrible damage. One prevented us properly investigating a virus that killed 20m people; one has damaged many thousands of lives
The prevalence of transgenderism in the general population is about 0.5%, which is more or less where it's always been. The difference is the era you and I grew up in, such people were the subject of ridicule - think jokes about 'The Crying Game', Jerry Springer, etc. While the yoof of today don't give a shit. There's just as many of them about as they always were, it's just much more visible now, because times have moved on.
Comparing people with a non-mainstream gender identity to a lab leak conspiracy is a weird, Alex Jones, "turning the friggin' frogs gay" vibe. But you do you.
New: Post Office's top lawyer has refused to give evidence to the public inquiry and can not be compelled as she lives abroad.
Inquiry counsel Jason Beer KC: “We're not going to hear from her, she lives abroad and won't cooperate”.
Well, there’s only one conclusion to be drawn, isn’t there? Can this person be arrested if they set foot on British territory in the future?
I guess Cyclefree would be the one who would know if the inquiry has a standing like court where if they summon her (the PO Lawyer not CF) and she doesn’t attend then they can issue a warrant in which case she would be arrested if she arrived in the UK.
Failing that they could go full Shanina Begum and take away her citizenship.
I don't think you can strip someone of their citizenship for failing to turn up at a public enquiry.
And solar will be looking pretty grim by midnight.
Why the sarcastic reply?
Coz I think solar is a waste of time in the UK.
I was not intending anything against you, so apologies if it came across that way.
5% of our total generation last year, so it's some way from irrelevant.
It must have the worst return on energy generated per billion spent.
Remember when you and I were virtually the only people on PB willing to say “er, it quite likely came from the lab? The bat virus lab just down the road from the bat virus outbreak?”
Now read this:
“EcoHealth Alliance and Dr. Peter Daszak should never again receive a single penny from the U.S. taxpayer. Only two weeks after the Select Subcommittee released an extensive report detailing EcoHealth’s wrongdoing and recommending the formal debarment of EcoHealth and its president, HHS has begun efforts to cut off all U.S. funding to this corrupt organization. EcoHealth facilitated gain-of-function research in Wuhan, China without proper oversight, willingly violated multiple requirements of its multimillion-dollar National Institutes of Health grant, and apparently made false statements to the NIH. These actions are wholly abhorrent, indefensible, and must be addressed with swift action. EcoHealth’s immediate funding suspension and future debarment is not only a victory for the U.S. taxpayer, but also for American national security and the safety of citizens worldwide" - Chairman Wenstrup, Committee on Oversight and Accountability - COVID-19.
Indeed. Yet there's still some die hards even on here who want to cling to the idea that they weren't being lied to by the "good" side and the "bad" team were right about it all.
We had a uni mates reunion a couple of weekends ago that I was graciously allowed to attend for a few hours by my wife juggling a relative newborn and a toddler. The subject came up (unsurprising given that we all studied chemistry, biochemistry and/or medicine) and the consensus around the room was unanimous that it was a lab leak and that it was likely covered up by the Americans because senior people in their health regulatory infrastructure were implicated. They all work in research and know how easy it is for political pressure to change decisions by journals.
Quite so, quite so. And for a long time it was just you and me willing to say this on PB. And sometimes @Gardenwalker as well
Pitiful
Anyway we now need a reckoning. Science itself needs to be severely scrutinised - from the labs to the journals
Yes agreed, the corruption of science by political operators in healthcare regulation was awful and there does now need to be some measures put in place to insulate science from politicians who were more worried about their dirty dealings with WIV than stopping the virus from spreading.
Wenstrup believes Trump won the 2020 election.
It’s a bipartisan committee investigating Covid origins. Equal Dems and Reps. See here
And this is their conclusion on Ecohealth, who ran the gain of function bat coronovirus virology for Fauci at Wuhan
🚨BREAKING🚨
Today, based on evidence uncovered in @COVIDSelect's recent report, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services commenced formal debarment proceedings against EcoHealth Alliance.
EcoHealth will now face an immediate, government-wide suspension of taxpayer funds — including a hold on all active grants.
Its over. All the years of lies and gaslighting are over. It’s done
No doubt we’ll never get the full facts, given it happened in China, but at least the ridiculous taboo on Lab leak is now lifted.
What taboo? People have been going on about the “Lab leak” for years!
It’s a majority Republican committee, with one its members being Marjorie Taylor Greene, so I could barely rustle up the interest to look at what they said. But I did, and what they said doesn’t remotely prove there was a lab leak. It’s half a dozen steps from proving anything. It’s like when SeanT kept telling us how some US Committee proved UFOs exist: excitable nonsense.
Everything else we know — where the first cases were, the genetic variation in the early cases, the environmental samples from the wet market, etc. — all demonstrate that this was a zoonotic event, like every other pandemic.
You’re behind the times. Virologists are now so panicked they’ve switched to saying “oh well if it came from an animal in the lab that’s still technically a natural origin and zoonosis so we’re good”
**BREAKING***
Virologist Susan Weiss asserts that if COVID-19 came from a lab worker being infected w/ SARS-CoV-2, this would not be a "lab leak" but rather a zoonotic origin (because it would be a jump from a non-human to a human)
The volte face on Ecohealth by the US Congress is a bit like the Cass Report. Years of weird madness - it came from the market! Ignore the bat virus lab 200 yards away!! - have come to a juddering halt
No, those two are very different. The origin of Covid question is binary: either it leaked from a lab or not. And I think we all know it probably leaked from a lab.
The treatment of some of the most vulnerable young people in the country is not binary. It demands understanding, nuance, and the rejection of extreme positions on all sides.
No. The parallel is the insanity of both positions
A novel bat coronavirus with weird signs of extra pathogenicity emerges in the one city in the world with a lab trying to make novel bat coronaviruses more pathogenic - but saying there is a link is a racist conspiracy theory!
See also
Men can be women just by saying they are and they should then be allowed access to women’s sports and prisons and safe spaces and it’s normal that suddenly millions of kids don’t know what gender they are for the first time in history
Both are obviously and totally crazy; both were the official and firmly enforced consensus for years. Both have done terrible damage. One prevented us properly investigating a virus that killed 20m people; one has damaged many thousands of lives
But that’s not remotely what the Cass report says. It’s a much better and more balanced report than that. The problem is the extremist Stonewall/Mermaids position not the fundamental need to understand and accept gender dysphoria. Whereas the origins of Covid are a factual question: a or b. More like the origins of global warming: CO2 or not.
And solar will be looking pretty grim by midnight.
Why the sarcastic reply?
Coz I think solar is a waste of time in the UK.
I was not intending anything against you, so apologies if it came across that way.
5% of our total generation last year, so it's some way from irrelevant.
It must have the worst return on energy generated per billion spent.
Remember when you and I were virtually the only people on PB willing to say “er, it quite likely came from the lab? The bat virus lab just down the road from the bat virus outbreak?”
Now read this:
“EcoHealth Alliance and Dr. Peter Daszak should never again receive a single penny from the U.S. taxpayer. Only two weeks after the Select Subcommittee released an extensive report detailing EcoHealth’s wrongdoing and recommending the formal debarment of EcoHealth and its president, HHS has begun efforts to cut off all U.S. funding to this corrupt organization. EcoHealth facilitated gain-of-function research in Wuhan, China without proper oversight, willingly violated multiple requirements of its multimillion-dollar National Institutes of Health grant, and apparently made false statements to the NIH. These actions are wholly abhorrent, indefensible, and must be addressed with swift action. EcoHealth’s immediate funding suspension and future debarment is not only a victory for the U.S. taxpayer, but also for American national security and the safety of citizens worldwide" - Chairman Wenstrup, Committee on Oversight and Accountability - COVID-19.
Indeed. Yet there's still some die hards even on here who want to cling to the idea that they weren't being lied to by the "good" side and the "bad" team were right about it all.
We had a uni mates reunion a couple of weekends ago that I was graciously allowed to attend for a few hours by my wife juggling a relative newborn and a toddler. The subject came up (unsurprising given that we all studied chemistry, biochemistry and/or medicine) and the consensus around the room was unanimous that it was a lab leak and that it was likely covered up by the Americans because senior people in their health regulatory infrastructure were implicated. They all work in research and know how easy it is for political pressure to change decisions by journals.
Quite so, quite so. And for a long time it was just you and me willing to say this on PB. And sometimes @Gardenwalker as well
Pitiful
Anyway we now need a reckoning. Science itself needs to be severely scrutinised - from the labs to the journals
Yes agreed, the corruption of science by political operators in healthcare regulation was awful and there does now need to be some measures put in place to insulate science from politicians who were more worried about their dirty dealings with WIV than stopping the virus from spreading.
Wenstrup believes Trump won the 2020 election.
It’s a bipartisan committee investigating Covid origins. Equal Dems and Reps. See here
And this is their conclusion on Ecohealth, who ran the gain of function bat coronovirus virology for Fauci at Wuhan
🚨BREAKING🚨
Today, based on evidence uncovered in @COVIDSelect's recent report, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services commenced formal debarment proceedings against EcoHealth Alliance.
EcoHealth will now face an immediate, government-wide suspension of taxpayer funds — including a hold on all active grants.
Its over. All the years of lies and gaslighting are over. It’s done
No doubt we’ll never get the full facts, given it happened in China, but at least the ridiculous taboo on Lab leak is now lifted.
I don’t recall you ever putting your head over the parapet before. Forgive me if I don’t applaud you now
To be fair, TimS and I, plus a few other PB regulars were on Reddit in 2017 agreeing it was a lab leak. Some people though didn’t cotton on until 2020 where they were behind the curve and not seeing world changing things before they happened. Up your game.
You were talking about Covid 2 years before it broke out?
New: Post Office's top lawyer has refused to give evidence to the public inquiry and can not be compelled as she lives abroad.
Inquiry counsel Jason Beer KC: “We're not going to hear from her, she lives abroad and won't cooperate”.
Well, there’s only one conclusion to be drawn, isn’t there? Can this person be arrested if they set foot on British territory in the future?
I guess Cyclefree would be the one who would know if the inquiry has a standing like court where if they summon her (the PO Lawyer not CF) and she doesn’t attend then they can issue a warrant in which case she would be arrested if she arrived in the UK.
Failing that they could go full Shanina Begum and take away her citizenship.
I don't think you can strip someone of their citizenship for failing to turn up at a public enquiry.
And solar will be looking pretty grim by midnight.
Why the sarcastic reply?
Coz I think solar is a waste of time in the UK.
I was not intending anything against you, so apologies if it came across that way.
5% of our total generation last year, so it's some way from irrelevant.
It must have the worst return on energy generated per billion spent.
Remember when you and I were virtually the only people on PB willing to say “er, it quite likely came from the lab? The bat virus lab just down the road from the bat virus outbreak?”
Now read this:
“EcoHealth Alliance and Dr. Peter Daszak should never again receive a single penny from the U.S. taxpayer. Only two weeks after the Select Subcommittee released an extensive report detailing EcoHealth’s wrongdoing and recommending the formal debarment of EcoHealth and its president, HHS has begun efforts to cut off all U.S. funding to this corrupt organization. EcoHealth facilitated gain-of-function research in Wuhan, China without proper oversight, willingly violated multiple requirements of its multimillion-dollar National Institutes of Health grant, and apparently made false statements to the NIH. These actions are wholly abhorrent, indefensible, and must be addressed with swift action. EcoHealth’s immediate funding suspension and future debarment is not only a victory for the U.S. taxpayer, but also for American national security and the safety of citizens worldwide" - Chairman Wenstrup, Committee on Oversight and Accountability - COVID-19.
Indeed. Yet there's still some die hards even on here who want to cling to the idea that they weren't being lied to by the "good" side and the "bad" team were right about it all.
We had a uni mates reunion a couple of weekends ago that I was graciously allowed to attend for a few hours by my wife juggling a relative newborn and a toddler. The subject came up (unsurprising given that we all studied chemistry, biochemistry and/or medicine) and the consensus around the room was unanimous that it was a lab leak and that it was likely covered up by the Americans because senior people in their health regulatory infrastructure were implicated. They all work in research and know how easy it is for political pressure to change decisions by journals.
Quite so, quite so. And for a long time it was just you and me willing to say this on PB. And sometimes @Gardenwalker as well
Pitiful
Anyway we now need a reckoning. Science itself needs to be severely scrutinised - from the labs to the journals
Yes agreed, the corruption of science by political operators in healthcare regulation was awful and there does now need to be some measures put in place to insulate science from politicians who were more worried about their dirty dealings with WIV than stopping the virus from spreading.
Wenstrup believes Trump won the 2020 election.
It’s a bipartisan committee investigating Covid origins. Equal Dems and Reps. See here
And this is their conclusion on Ecohealth, who ran the gain of function bat coronovirus virology for Fauci at Wuhan
🚨BREAKING🚨
Today, based on evidence uncovered in @COVIDSelect's recent report, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services commenced formal debarment proceedings against EcoHealth Alliance.
EcoHealth will now face an immediate, government-wide suspension of taxpayer funds — including a hold on all active grants.
Its over. All the years of lies and gaslighting are over. It’s done
No doubt we’ll never get the full facts, given it happened in China, but at least the ridiculous taboo on Lab leak is now lifted.
I don’t recall you ever putting your head over the parapet before. Forgive me if I don’t applaud you now
To be fair, TimS and I, plus a few other PB regulars were on Reddit in 2017 agreeing it was a lab leak. Some people though didn’t cotton on until 2020 where they were behind the curve and not seeing world changing things before they happened. Up your game.
You were talking about Covid 2 years before it broke out?
New: Post Office's top lawyer has refused to give evidence to the public inquiry and can not be compelled as she lives abroad.
Inquiry counsel Jason Beer KC: “We're not going to hear from her, she lives abroad and won't cooperate”.
Well, there’s only one conclusion to be drawn, isn’t there? Can this person be arrested if they set foot on British territory in the future?
I guess Cyclefree would be the one who would know if the inquiry has a standing like court where if they summon her (the PO Lawyer not CF) and she doesn’t attend then they can issue a warrant in which case she would be arrested if she arrived in the UK.
Failing that they could go full Shanina Begum and take away her citizenship.
I don't think you can strip someone of their citizenship for failing to turn up at a public enquiry.
However it would be way more valid than what we did to Shanina Begum, where we interpreted Bangladeshi's citizenship policy to say one thing even though their Government has said - that isn't a valid interpretation...
The volte face on Ecohealth by the US Congress is a bit like the Cass Report. Years of weird madness - it came from the market! Ignore the bat virus lab 200 yards away!! - have come to a juddering halt
No, those two are very different. The origin of Covid question is binary: either it leaked from a lab or not. And I think we all know it probably leaked from a lab.
The treatment of some of the most vulnerable young people in the country is not binary. It demands understanding, nuance, and the rejection of extreme positions on all sides.
No. The parallel is the insanity of both positions
A novel bat coronavirus with weird signs of extra pathogenicity emerges in the one city in the world with a lab trying to make novel bat coronaviruses more pathogenic - but saying there is a link is a racist conspiracy theory!
See also
Men can be women just by saying they are and they should then be allowed access to women’s sports and prisons and safe spaces and it’s normal that suddenly millions of kids don’t know what gender they are for the first time in history
Both are obviously and totally crazy; both were the official and firmly enforced consensus for years. Both have done terrible damage. One prevented us properly investigating a virus that killed 20m people; one has damaged many thousands of lives
The prevalence of transgenderism in the general population is about 0.5%, which is more or less where it's always been. The difference is the era you and I grew up in, such people were the subject of ridicule - think jokes about 'The Crying Game', Jerry Springer, etc. While the yoof of today don't give a shit. There's just as many of them about as they always were, it's just much more visible now, because times have moved on.
Comparing people with a non-mainstream gender identity to a lab leak conspiracy is a weird, Alex Jones, "turning the friggin' frogs gay" vibe. But you do you.
Er, what?
I’m saying these are two examples of elite-led delusions, obvious nonsense that was enforced by cancellation and silencing of dissenters
And I have two teenage daughters and I can assure you - as I bet many parents on here can assure you - that levels of gender confusion in teens are way off the dial compared to 5-10 years ago
And solar will be looking pretty grim by midnight.
Why the sarcastic reply?
Coz I think solar is a waste of time in the UK.
I was not intending anything against you, so apologies if it came across that way.
5% of our total generation last year, so it's some way from irrelevant.
It must have the worst return on energy generated per billion spent.
Remember when you and I were virtually the only people on PB willing to say “er, it quite likely came from the lab? The bat virus lab just down the road from the bat virus outbreak?”
Now read this:
“EcoHealth Alliance and Dr. Peter Daszak should never again receive a single penny from the U.S. taxpayer. Only two weeks after the Select Subcommittee released an extensive report detailing EcoHealth’s wrongdoing and recommending the formal debarment of EcoHealth and its president, HHS has begun efforts to cut off all U.S. funding to this corrupt organization. EcoHealth facilitated gain-of-function research in Wuhan, China without proper oversight, willingly violated multiple requirements of its multimillion-dollar National Institutes of Health grant, and apparently made false statements to the NIH. These actions are wholly abhorrent, indefensible, and must be addressed with swift action. EcoHealth’s immediate funding suspension and future debarment is not only a victory for the U.S. taxpayer, but also for American national security and the safety of citizens worldwide" - Chairman Wenstrup, Committee on Oversight and Accountability - COVID-19.
Indeed. Yet there's still some die hards even on here who want to cling to the idea that they weren't being lied to by the "good" side and the "bad" team were right about it all.
We had a uni mates reunion a couple of weekends ago that I was graciously allowed to attend for a few hours by my wife juggling a relative newborn and a toddler. The subject came up (unsurprising given that we all studied chemistry, biochemistry and/or medicine) and the consensus around the room was unanimous that it was a lab leak and that it was likely covered up by the Americans because senior people in their health regulatory infrastructure were implicated. They all work in research and know how easy it is for political pressure to change decisions by journals.
Quite so, quite so. And for a long time it was just you and me willing to say this on PB. And sometimes @Gardenwalker as well
Pitiful
Anyway we now need a reckoning. Science itself needs to be severely scrutinised - from the labs to the journals
Yes agreed, the corruption of science by political operators in healthcare regulation was awful and there does now need to be some measures put in place to insulate science from politicians who were more worried about their dirty dealings with WIV than stopping the virus from spreading.
Wenstrup believes Trump won the 2020 election.
It’s a bipartisan committee investigating Covid origins. Equal Dems and Reps. See here
And this is their conclusion on Ecohealth, who ran the gain of function bat coronovirus virology for Fauci at Wuhan
🚨BREAKING🚨
Today, based on evidence uncovered in @COVIDSelect's recent report, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services commenced formal debarment proceedings against EcoHealth Alliance.
EcoHealth will now face an immediate, government-wide suspension of taxpayer funds — including a hold on all active grants.
Its over. All the years of lies and gaslighting are over. It’s done
No doubt we’ll never get the full facts, given it happened in China, but at least the ridiculous taboo on Lab leak is now lifted.
What taboo? People have been going on about the “Lab leak” for years!
It’s a majority Republican committee, with one its members being Marjorie Taylor Greene, so I could barely rustle up the interest to look at what they said. But I did, and what they said doesn’t remotely prove there was a lab leak. It’s half a dozen steps from proving anything. It’s like when SeanT kept telling us how some US Committee proved UFOs exist: excitable nonsense.
Everything else we know — where the first cases were, the genetic variation in the early cases, the environmental samples from the wet market, etc. — all demonstrate that this was a zoonotic event, like every other pandemic.
Everyone who has suggested Lab leak, which given the genetic signature of the first cases as well as the shit security at the Wuhan labs and the long history of lab leaks including examples as recent as the foot and mouth plague, was always a perfectly rational option, was dismissed as a conspiracy theorist.
It became a culture war battle, which is ridiculous.
And solar will be looking pretty grim by midnight.
Why the sarcastic reply?
Coz I think solar is a waste of time in the UK.
I was not intending anything against you, so apologies if it came across that way.
5% of our total generation last year, so it's some way from irrelevant.
It must have the worst return on energy generated per billion spent.
Remember when you and I were virtually the only people on PB willing to say “er, it quite likely came from the lab? The bat virus lab just down the road from the bat virus outbreak?”
Now read this:
“EcoHealth Alliance and Dr. Peter Daszak should never again receive a single penny from the U.S. taxpayer. Only two weeks after the Select Subcommittee released an extensive report detailing EcoHealth’s wrongdoing and recommending the formal debarment of EcoHealth and its president, HHS has begun efforts to cut off all U.S. funding to this corrupt organization. EcoHealth facilitated gain-of-function research in Wuhan, China without proper oversight, willingly violated multiple requirements of its multimillion-dollar National Institutes of Health grant, and apparently made false statements to the NIH. These actions are wholly abhorrent, indefensible, and must be addressed with swift action. EcoHealth’s immediate funding suspension and future debarment is not only a victory for the U.S. taxpayer, but also for American national security and the safety of citizens worldwide" - Chairman Wenstrup, Committee on Oversight and Accountability - COVID-19.
Indeed. Yet there's still some die hards even on here who want to cling to the idea that they weren't being lied to by the "good" side and the "bad" team were right about it all.
We had a uni mates reunion a couple of weekends ago that I was graciously allowed to attend for a few hours by my wife juggling a relative newborn and a toddler. The subject came up (unsurprising given that we all studied chemistry, biochemistry and/or medicine) and the consensus around the room was unanimous that it was a lab leak and that it was likely covered up by the Americans because senior people in their health regulatory infrastructure were implicated. They all work in research and know how easy it is for political pressure to change decisions by journals.
Quite so, quite so. And for a long time it was just you and me willing to say this on PB. And sometimes @Gardenwalker as well
Pitiful
Anyway we now need a reckoning. Science itself needs to be severely scrutinised - from the labs to the journals
Yes agreed, the corruption of science by political operators in healthcare regulation was awful and there does now need to be some measures put in place to insulate science from politicians who were more worried about their dirty dealings with WIV than stopping the virus from spreading.
Wenstrup believes Trump won the 2020 election.
It’s a bipartisan committee investigating Covid origins. Equal Dems and Reps. See here
And this is their conclusion on Ecohealth, who ran the gain of function bat coronovirus virology for Fauci at Wuhan
🚨BREAKING🚨
Today, based on evidence uncovered in @COVIDSelect's recent report, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services commenced formal debarment proceedings against EcoHealth Alliance.
EcoHealth will now face an immediate, government-wide suspension of taxpayer funds — including a hold on all active grants.
Its over. All the years of lies and gaslighting are over. It’s done
No doubt we’ll never get the full facts, given it happened in China, but at least the ridiculous taboo on Lab leak is now lifted.
I don’t recall you ever putting your head over the parapet before. Forgive me if I don’t applaud you now
To be fair, TimS and I, plus a few other PB regulars were on Reddit in 2017 agreeing it was a lab leak. Some people though didn’t cotton on until 2020 where they were behind the curve and not seeing world changing things before they happened. Up your game.
You were talking about Covid 2 years before it broke out?
And solar will be looking pretty grim by midnight.
Why the sarcastic reply?
Coz I think solar is a waste of time in the UK.
I was not intending anything against you, so apologies if it came across that way.
5% of our total generation last year, so it's some way from irrelevant.
It must have the worst return on energy generated per billion spent.
Remember when you and I were virtually the only people on PB willing to say “er, it quite likely came from the lab? The bat virus lab just down the road from the bat virus outbreak?”
Now read this:
“EcoHealth Alliance and Dr. Peter Daszak should never again receive a single penny from the U.S. taxpayer. Only two weeks after the Select Subcommittee released an extensive report detailing EcoHealth’s wrongdoing and recommending the formal debarment of EcoHealth and its president, HHS has begun efforts to cut off all U.S. funding to this corrupt organization. EcoHealth facilitated gain-of-function research in Wuhan, China without proper oversight, willingly violated multiple requirements of its multimillion-dollar National Institutes of Health grant, and apparently made false statements to the NIH. These actions are wholly abhorrent, indefensible, and must be addressed with swift action. EcoHealth’s immediate funding suspension and future debarment is not only a victory for the U.S. taxpayer, but also for American national security and the safety of citizens worldwide" - Chairman Wenstrup, Committee on Oversight and Accountability - COVID-19.
Indeed. Yet there's still some die hards even on here who want to cling to the idea that they weren't being lied to by the "good" side and the "bad" team were right about it all.
We had a uni mates reunion a couple of weekends ago that I was graciously allowed to attend for a few hours by my wife juggling a relative newborn and a toddler. The subject came up (unsurprising given that we all studied chemistry, biochemistry and/or medicine) and the consensus around the room was unanimous that it was a lab leak and that it was likely covered up by the Americans because senior people in their health regulatory infrastructure were implicated. They all work in research and know how easy it is for political pressure to change decisions by journals.
Quite so, quite so. And for a long time it was just you and me willing to say this on PB. And sometimes @Gardenwalker as well
Pitiful
Anyway we now need a reckoning. Science itself needs to be severely scrutinised - from the labs to the journals
Yes agreed, the corruption of science by political operators in healthcare regulation was awful and there does now need to be some measures put in place to insulate science from politicians who were more worried about their dirty dealings with WIV than stopping the virus from spreading.
Wenstrup believes Trump won the 2020 election.
It’s a bipartisan committee investigating Covid origins. Equal Dems and Reps. See here
And this is their conclusion on Ecohealth, who ran the gain of function bat coronovirus virology for Fauci at Wuhan
🚨BREAKING🚨
Today, based on evidence uncovered in @COVIDSelect's recent report, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services commenced formal debarment proceedings against EcoHealth Alliance.
EcoHealth will now face an immediate, government-wide suspension of taxpayer funds — including a hold on all active grants.
Its over. All the years of lies and gaslighting are over. It’s done
No doubt we’ll never get the full facts, given it happened in China, but at least the ridiculous taboo on Lab leak is now lifted.
What taboo? People have been going on about the “Lab leak” for years!
It’s a majority Republican committee, with one its members being Marjorie Taylor Greene, so I could barely rustle up the interest to look at what they said. But I did, and what they said doesn’t remotely prove there was a lab leak. It’s half a dozen steps from proving anything. It’s like when SeanT kept telling us how some US Committee proved UFOs exist: excitable nonsense.
Everything else we know — where the first cases were, the genetic variation in the early cases, the environmental samples from the wet market, etc. — all demonstrate that this was a zoonotic event, like every other pandemic.
Everyone who has suggested Lab leak, which given the genetic signature of the first cases as well as the shit security at the Wuhan labs and the long history of lab leaks including examples as recent as the foot and mouth plague, was always a perfectly rational option, was dismissed as a conspiracy theorist.
It became a culture war battle, which is ridiculous.
Not only that - “lab leak” was officially silenced on Twitter and Facebook for a year. You literally weren’t allowed to mention it and if you did your comments were deleted and if you persisted you could get banned
And solar will be looking pretty grim by midnight.
Why the sarcastic reply?
Coz I think solar is a waste of time in the UK.
I was not intending anything against you, so apologies if it came across that way.
5% of our total generation last year, so it's some way from irrelevant.
It must have the worst return on energy generated per billion spent.
Remember when you and I were virtually the only people on PB willing to say “er, it quite likely came from the lab? The bat virus lab just down the road from the bat virus outbreak?”
Now read this:
“EcoHealth Alliance and Dr. Peter Daszak should never again receive a single penny from the U.S. taxpayer. Only two weeks after the Select Subcommittee released an extensive report detailing EcoHealth’s wrongdoing and recommending the formal debarment of EcoHealth and its president, HHS has begun efforts to cut off all U.S. funding to this corrupt organization. EcoHealth facilitated gain-of-function research in Wuhan, China without proper oversight, willingly violated multiple requirements of its multimillion-dollar National Institutes of Health grant, and apparently made false statements to the NIH. These actions are wholly abhorrent, indefensible, and must be addressed with swift action. EcoHealth’s immediate funding suspension and future debarment is not only a victory for the U.S. taxpayer, but also for American national security and the safety of citizens worldwide" - Chairman Wenstrup, Committee on Oversight and Accountability - COVID-19.
Indeed. Yet there's still some die hards even on here who want to cling to the idea that they weren't being lied to by the "good" side and the "bad" team were right about it all.
We had a uni mates reunion a couple of weekends ago that I was graciously allowed to attend for a few hours by my wife juggling a relative newborn and a toddler. The subject came up (unsurprising given that we all studied chemistry, biochemistry and/or medicine) and the consensus around the room was unanimous that it was a lab leak and that it was likely covered up by the Americans because senior people in their health regulatory infrastructure were implicated. They all work in research and know how easy it is for political pressure to change decisions by journals.
Quite so, quite so. And for a long time it was just you and me willing to say this on PB. And sometimes @Gardenwalker as well
Pitiful
Anyway we now need a reckoning. Science itself needs to be severely scrutinised - from the labs to the journals
Yes agreed, the corruption of science by political operators in healthcare regulation was awful and there does now need to be some measures put in place to insulate science from politicians who were more worried about their dirty dealings with WIV than stopping the virus from spreading.
Wenstrup believes Trump won the 2020 election.
It’s a bipartisan committee investigating Covid origins. Equal Dems and Reps. See here
And this is their conclusion on Ecohealth, who ran the gain of function bat coronovirus virology for Fauci at Wuhan
🚨BREAKING🚨
Today, based on evidence uncovered in @COVIDSelect's recent report, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services commenced formal debarment proceedings against EcoHealth Alliance.
EcoHealth will now face an immediate, government-wide suspension of taxpayer funds — including a hold on all active grants.
Its over. All the years of lies and gaslighting are over. It’s done
No doubt we’ll never get the full facts, given it happened in China, but at least the ridiculous taboo on Lab leak is now lifted.
What taboo? People have been going on about the “Lab leak” for years!
It’s a majority Republican committee, with one its members being Marjorie Taylor Greene, so I could barely rustle up the interest to look at what they said. But I did, and what they said doesn’t remotely prove there was a lab leak. It’s half a dozen steps from proving anything. It’s like when SeanT kept telling us how some US Committee proved UFOs exist: excitable nonsense.
Everything else we know — where the first cases were, the genetic variation in the early cases, the environmental samples from the wet market, etc. — all demonstrate that this was a zoonotic event, like every other pandemic.
Everyone who has suggested Lab leak, which given the genetic signature of the first cases as well as the shit security at the Wuhan labs and the long history of lab leaks including examples as recent as the foot and mouth plague, was always a perfectly rational option, was dismissed as a conspiracy theorist.
It became a culture war battle, which is ridiculous.
Not only that - “lab leak” was officially silenced on Twitter and Facebook for a year. You literally weren’t allowed to mention it and if you did your comments were deleted and if you persisted you could get banned
Utterly extraordinary, looking back
One day we will look back at it as the last golden moment of US/China cooperation.
And solar will be looking pretty grim by midnight.
Why the sarcastic reply?
Coz I think solar is a waste of time in the UK.
I was not intending anything against you, so apologies if it came across that way.
5% of our total generation last year, so it's some way from irrelevant.
It must have the worst return on energy generated per billion spent.
Remember when you and I were virtually the only people on PB willing to say “er, it quite likely came from the lab? The bat virus lab just down the road from the bat virus outbreak?”
Now read this:
“EcoHealth Alliance and Dr. Peter Daszak should never again receive a single penny from the U.S. taxpayer. Only two weeks after the Select Subcommittee released an extensive report detailing EcoHealth’s wrongdoing and recommending the formal debarment of EcoHealth and its president, HHS has begun efforts to cut off all U.S. funding to this corrupt organization. EcoHealth facilitated gain-of-function research in Wuhan, China without proper oversight, willingly violated multiple requirements of its multimillion-dollar National Institutes of Health grant, and apparently made false statements to the NIH. These actions are wholly abhorrent, indefensible, and must be addressed with swift action. EcoHealth’s immediate funding suspension and future debarment is not only a victory for the U.S. taxpayer, but also for American national security and the safety of citizens worldwide" - Chairman Wenstrup, Committee on Oversight and Accountability - COVID-19.
Indeed. Yet there's still some die hards even on here who want to cling to the idea that they weren't being lied to by the "good" side and the "bad" team were right about it all.
We had a uni mates reunion a couple of weekends ago that I was graciously allowed to attend for a few hours by my wife juggling a relative newborn and a toddler. The subject came up (unsurprising given that we all studied chemistry, biochemistry and/or medicine) and the consensus around the room was unanimous that it was a lab leak and that it was likely covered up by the Americans because senior people in their health regulatory infrastructure were implicated. They all work in research and know how easy it is for political pressure to change decisions by journals.
Quite so, quite so. And for a long time it was just you and me willing to say this on PB. And sometimes @Gardenwalker as well
Pitiful
Anyway we now need a reckoning. Science itself needs to be severely scrutinised - from the labs to the journals
Yes agreed, the corruption of science by political operators in healthcare regulation was awful and there does now need to be some measures put in place to insulate science from politicians who were more worried about their dirty dealings with WIV than stopping the virus from spreading.
Wenstrup believes Trump won the 2020 election.
It’s a bipartisan committee investigating Covid origins. Equal Dems and Reps. See here
And this is their conclusion on Ecohealth, who ran the gain of function bat coronovirus virology for Fauci at Wuhan
🚨BREAKING🚨
Today, based on evidence uncovered in @COVIDSelect's recent report, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services commenced formal debarment proceedings against EcoHealth Alliance.
EcoHealth will now face an immediate, government-wide suspension of taxpayer funds — including a hold on all active grants.
Its over. All the years of lies and gaslighting are over. It’s done
No doubt we’ll never get the full facts, given it happened in China, but at least the ridiculous taboo on Lab leak is now lifted.
What taboo? People have been going on about the “Lab leak” for years!
It’s a majority Republican committee, with one its members being Marjorie Taylor Greene, so I could barely rustle up the interest to look at what they said. But I did, and what they said doesn’t remotely prove there was a lab leak. It’s half a dozen steps from proving anything. It’s like when SeanT kept telling us how some US Committee proved UFOs exist: excitable nonsense.
Everything else we know — where the first cases were, the genetic variation in the early cases, the environmental samples from the wet market, etc. — all demonstrate that this was a zoonotic event, like every other pandemic.
You’re behind the times. Virologists are now so panicked they’ve switched to saying “oh well if it came from an animal in the lab that’s still technically a natural origin and zoonosis so we’re good”
**BREAKING***
Virologist Susan Weiss asserts that if COVID-19 came from a lab worker being infected w/ SARS-CoV-2, this would not be a "lab leak" but rather a zoonotic origin (because it would be a jump from a non-human to a human)
The volte face on Ecohealth by the US Congress is a bit like the Cass Report. Years of weird madness - it came from the market! Ignore the bat virus lab 200 yards away!! - have come to a juddering halt
No, those two are very different. The origin of Covid question is binary: either it leaked from a lab or not. And I think we all know it probably leaked from a lab.
The treatment of some of the most vulnerable young people in the country is not binary. It demands understanding, nuance, and the rejection of extreme positions on all sides.
No. The parallel is the insanity of both positions
A novel bat coronavirus with weird signs of extra pathogenicity emerges in the one city in the world with a lab trying to make novel bat coronaviruses more pathogenic - but saying there is a link is a racist conspiracy theory!
See also
Men can be women just by saying they are and they should then be allowed access to women’s sports and prisons and safe spaces and it’s normal that suddenly millions of kids don’t know what gender they are for the first time in history
Both are obviously and totally crazy; both were the official and firmly enforced consensus for years. Both have done terrible damage. One prevented us properly investigating a virus that killed 20m people; one has damaged many thousands of lives
The prevalence of transgenderism in the general population is about 0.5%, which is more or less where it's always been. The difference is the era you and I grew up in, such people were the subject of ridicule - think jokes about 'The Crying Game', Jerry Springer, etc. While the yoof of today don't give a shit. There's just as many of them about as they always were, it's just much more visible now, because times have moved on.
Comparing people with a non-mainstream gender identity to a lab leak conspiracy is a weird, Alex Jones, "turning the friggin' frogs gay" vibe. But you do you.
Er, what?
I’m saying these are two examples of elite-led delusions, obvious nonsense that was enforced by cancellation and silencing of dissenters
And I have two teenage daughters and I can assure you - as I bet many parents on here can assure you - that levels of gender confusion in teens are way off the dial compared to 5-10 years ago
We had elite- led self cancellation.on PB.
Remember when Eadric and SeanT. shacked up together in their hidey hole in Wales. No mention of lab leaks then, just soiled underwear.
And solar will be looking pretty grim by midnight.
Why the sarcastic reply?
Coz I think solar is a waste of time in the UK.
I was not intending anything against you, so apologies if it came across that way.
5% of our total generation last year, so it's some way from irrelevant.
It must have the worst return on energy generated per billion spent.
Remember when you and I were virtually the only people on PB willing to say “er, it quite likely came from the lab? The bat virus lab just down the road from the bat virus outbreak?”
Now read this:
“EcoHealth Alliance and Dr. Peter Daszak should never again receive a single penny from the U.S. taxpayer. Only two weeks after the Select Subcommittee released an extensive report detailing EcoHealth’s wrongdoing and recommending the formal debarment of EcoHealth and its president, HHS has begun efforts to cut off all U.S. funding to this corrupt organization. EcoHealth facilitated gain-of-function research in Wuhan, China without proper oversight, willingly violated multiple requirements of its multimillion-dollar National Institutes of Health grant, and apparently made false statements to the NIH. These actions are wholly abhorrent, indefensible, and must be addressed with swift action. EcoHealth’s immediate funding suspension and future debarment is not only a victory for the U.S. taxpayer, but also for American national security and the safety of citizens worldwide" - Chairman Wenstrup, Committee on Oversight and Accountability - COVID-19.
Indeed. Yet there's still some die hards even on here who want to cling to the idea that they weren't being lied to by the "good" side and the "bad" team were right about it all.
We had a uni mates reunion a couple of weekends ago that I was graciously allowed to attend for a few hours by my wife juggling a relative newborn and a toddler. The subject came up (unsurprising given that we all studied chemistry, biochemistry and/or medicine) and the consensus around the room was unanimous that it was a lab leak and that it was likely covered up by the Americans because senior people in their health regulatory infrastructure were implicated. They all work in research and know how easy it is for political pressure to change decisions by journals.
Quite so, quite so. And for a long time it was just you and me willing to say this on PB. And sometimes @Gardenwalker as well
Pitiful
Anyway we now need a reckoning. Science itself needs to be severely scrutinised - from the labs to the journals
Yes agreed, the corruption of science by political operators in healthcare regulation was awful and there does now need to be some measures put in place to insulate science from politicians who were more worried about their dirty dealings with WIV than stopping the virus from spreading.
Wenstrup believes Trump won the 2020 election.
It’s a bipartisan committee investigating Covid origins. Equal Dems and Reps. See here
And this is their conclusion on Ecohealth, who ran the gain of function bat coronovirus virology for Fauci at Wuhan
🚨BREAKING🚨
Today, based on evidence uncovered in @COVIDSelect's recent report, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services commenced formal debarment proceedings against EcoHealth Alliance.
EcoHealth will now face an immediate, government-wide suspension of taxpayer funds — including a hold on all active grants.
Its over. All the years of lies and gaslighting are over. It’s done
No doubt we’ll never get the full facts, given it happened in China, but at least the ridiculous taboo on Lab leak is now lifted.
I don’t recall you ever putting your head over the parapet before. Forgive me if I don’t applaud you now
To be fair, TimS and I, plus a few other PB regulars were on Reddit in 2017 agreeing it was a lab leak. Some people though didn’t cotton on until 2020 where they were behind the curve and not seeing world changing things before they happened. Up your game.
You were talking about Covid 2 years before it broke out?
Yes, yes we were.
It is a little known fact that the space-time continuum bends around PB, as we talk about subjects so often the fabric of space has to extend back into the past to accommodate it. This means that @Leon started posting about being an alpha male in about 30BC. 😀
The volte face on Ecohealth by the US Congress is a bit like the Cass Report. Years of weird madness - it came from the market! Ignore the bat virus lab 200 yards away!! - have come to a juddering halt
No, those two are very different. The origin of Covid question is binary: either it leaked from a lab or not. And I think we all know it probably leaked from a lab.
The treatment of some of the most vulnerable young people in the country is not binary. It demands understanding, nuance, and the rejection of extreme positions on all sides.
No. The parallel is the insanity of both positions
A novel bat coronavirus with weird signs of extra pathogenicity emerges in the one city in the world with a lab trying to make novel bat coronaviruses more pathogenic - but saying there is a link is a racist conspiracy theory!
See also
Men can be women just by saying they are and they should then be allowed access to women’s sports and prisons and safe spaces and it’s normal that suddenly millions of kids don’t know what gender they are for the first time in history
Both are obviously and totally crazy; both were the official and firmly enforced consensus for years. Both have done terrible damage. One prevented us properly investigating a virus that killed 20m people; one has damaged many thousands of lives
The prevalence of transgenderism in the general population is about 0.5%, which is more or less where it's always been. The difference is the era you and I grew up in, such people were the subject of ridicule - think jokes about 'The Crying Game', Jerry Springer, etc. While the yoof of today don't give a shit. There's just as many of them about as they always were, it's just much more visible now, because times have moved on.
Comparing people with a non-mainstream gender identity to a lab leak conspiracy is a weird, Alex Jones, "turning the friggin' frogs gay" vibe. But you do you.
Er, what?
I’m saying these are two examples of elite-led delusions, obvious nonsense that was enforced by cancellation and silencing of dissenters
And I have two teenage daughters and I can assure you - as I bet many parents on here can assure you - that levels of gender confusion in teens are way off the dial compared to 5-10 years ago
You're applying western standards there. A bit like the debate on 'posh'. Think globally.
Look at the number of hijras in India for example. There's good, long standing evidence from multiple cultures across the world that about 0.5% of the population feels aligned to gender norms that don't match the sex they were born into. That manifests in a variety of ways depending on cultural norms, e.g the 'traditional' effeminate homosexual to the closeted, married cross-dresser. The cultural norm in the 21st century, the generation younger than us, is that it's ok - hence more of them are visible these days.
I don't think there's any "elite led delusion" at play here, indeed "elite led delusion" is a hop, skip and a jump away from "they're putting estrogen in the water to turn the frogs gay" conspiracy theory territory, which is why I referenced Alex Jones.
As far as cancellation goes, 26% of trans people are involved in sex work and the average trans person earns under £11k a year, so I assume their status as a protected member of the elite class is really working out for them.
We’re currently generating only 1gw of wind power, and 0.7gw of solar. Lowest wind for nearly a year I think. Extremely slack pressure gradient, typical of early summer.
The good news is total demand is only 28gw and gas is providing a relatively small 14gw. The rest is nuclear plus some French imports (ie nuclear). And a bit of hydro and biomass. No coal.
So even when the grid is as non-renewable as it’s possible to be these days, thanks to the gas transition and massive energy efficiency gains in recent years it’s still way less carbon intensive than it used to be.
And solar will be looking pretty grim by midnight.
Why the sarcastic reply?
Coz I think solar is a waste of time in the UK.
I was not intending anything against you, so apologies if it came across that way.
5% of our total generation last year, so it's some way from irrelevant.
It must have the worst return on energy generated per billion spent.
Remember when you and I were virtually the only people on PB willing to say “er, it quite likely came from the lab? The bat virus lab just down the road from the bat virus outbreak?”
Now read this:
“EcoHealth Alliance and Dr. Peter Daszak should never again receive a single penny from the U.S. taxpayer. Only two weeks after the Select Subcommittee released an extensive report detailing EcoHealth’s wrongdoing and recommending the formal debarment of EcoHealth and its president, HHS has begun efforts to cut off all U.S. funding to this corrupt organization. EcoHealth facilitated gain-of-function research in Wuhan, China without proper oversight, willingly violated multiple requirements of its multimillion-dollar National Institutes of Health grant, and apparently made false statements to the NIH. These actions are wholly abhorrent, indefensible, and must be addressed with swift action. EcoHealth’s immediate funding suspension and future debarment is not only a victory for the U.S. taxpayer, but also for American national security and the safety of citizens worldwide" - Chairman Wenstrup, Committee on Oversight and Accountability - COVID-19.
Indeed. Yet there's still some die hards even on here who want to cling to the idea that they weren't being lied to by the "good" side and the "bad" team were right about it all.
We had a uni mates reunion a couple of weekends ago that I was graciously allowed to attend for a few hours by my wife juggling a relative newborn and a toddler. The subject came up (unsurprising given that we all studied chemistry, biochemistry and/or medicine) and the consensus around the room was unanimous that it was a lab leak and that it was likely covered up by the Americans because senior people in their health regulatory infrastructure were implicated. They all work in research and know how easy it is for political pressure to change decisions by journals.
Quite so, quite so. And for a long time it was just you and me willing to say this on PB. And sometimes @Gardenwalker as well
Pitiful
Anyway we now need a reckoning. Science itself needs to be severely scrutinised - from the labs to the journals
Yes agreed, the corruption of science by political operators in healthcare regulation was awful and there does now need to be some measures put in place to insulate science from politicians who were more worried about their dirty dealings with WIV than stopping the virus from spreading.
Wenstrup believes Trump won the 2020 election.
It’s a bipartisan committee investigating Covid origins. Equal Dems and Reps. See here
And this is their conclusion on Ecohealth, who ran the gain of function bat coronovirus virology for Fauci at Wuhan
🚨BREAKING🚨
Today, based on evidence uncovered in @COVIDSelect's recent report, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services commenced formal debarment proceedings against EcoHealth Alliance.
EcoHealth will now face an immediate, government-wide suspension of taxpayer funds — including a hold on all active grants.
Its over. All the years of lies and gaslighting are over. It’s done
No doubt we’ll never get the full facts, given it happened in China, but at least the ridiculous taboo on Lab leak is now lifted.
What taboo? People have been going on about the “Lab leak” for years!
It’s a majority Republican committee, with one its members being Marjorie Taylor Greene, so I could barely rustle up the interest to look at what they said. But I did, and what they said doesn’t remotely prove there was a lab leak. It’s half a dozen steps from proving anything. It’s like when SeanT kept telling us how some US Committee proved UFOs exist: excitable nonsense.
Everything else we know — where the first cases were, the genetic variation in the early cases, the environmental samples from the wet market, etc. — all demonstrate that this was a zoonotic event, like every other pandemic.
Everyone who has suggested Lab leak, which given the genetic signature of the first cases as well as the shit security at the Wuhan labs and the long history of lab leaks including examples as recent as the foot and mouth plague, was always a perfectly rational option, was dismissed as a conspiracy theorist.
It became a culture war battle, which is ridiculous.
Not only that - “lab leak” was officially silenced on Twitter and Facebook for a year. You literally weren’t allowed to mention it and if you did your comments were deleted and if you persisted you could get banned
Utterly extraordinary, looking back
One day we will look back at it as the last golden moment of US/China cooperation.
They cooperated for good reason. It suited both. America paid for this research, China hosted it
Neither side wanted to face the hideous possibly they accidentally leaked it and killed 20 million
The scientists are on record saying this in FOIA’d emails!
Edinburgh university’s Andrew Rambaut: “Given the shitshow that would happen if anyone serious accused the Chinese of even accidental release, my feeling is we should say that given there is no evidence of a specifically engineered virus, we cannot possibly distinguish between natural evolution and escape so we are content with ascribing it to natural processes,”
In other words, Fuck, it probably came from the lab, but that’s gonna annoy China and cause chaos, let’s just say we dunno and as we dunno it’s probably the market kthxbye
The volte face on Ecohealth by the US Congress is a bit like the Cass Report. Years of weird madness - it came from the market! Ignore the bat virus lab 200 yards away!! - have come to a juddering halt
No, those two are very different. The origin of Covid question is binary: either it leaked from a lab or not. And I think we all know it probably leaked from a lab.
The treatment of some of the most vulnerable young people in the country is not binary. It demands understanding, nuance, and the rejection of extreme positions on all sides.
No. The parallel is the insanity of both positions
A novel bat coronavirus with weird signs of extra pathogenicity emerges in the one city in the world with a lab trying to make novel bat coronaviruses more pathogenic - but saying there is a link is a racist conspiracy theory!
See also
Men can be women just by saying they are and they should then be allowed access to women’s sports and prisons and safe spaces and it’s normal that suddenly millions of kids don’t know what gender they are for the first time in history
Both are obviously and totally crazy; both were the official and firmly enforced consensus for years. Both have done terrible damage. One prevented us properly investigating a virus that killed 20m people; one has damaged many thousands of lives
The prevalence of transgenderism in the general population is about 0.5%, which is more or less where it's always been. The difference is the era you and I grew up in, such people were the subject of ridicule - think jokes about 'The Crying Game', Jerry Springer, etc. While the yoof of today don't give a shit. There's just as many of them about as they always were, it's just much more visible now, because times have moved on.
Comparing people with a non-mainstream gender identity to a lab leak conspiracy is a weird, Alex Jones, "turning the friggin' frogs gay" vibe. But you do you.
Er, what?
I’m saying these are two examples of elite-led delusions, obvious nonsense that was enforced by cancellation and silencing of dissenters
And I have two teenage daughters and I can assure you - as I bet many parents on here can assure you - that levels of gender confusion in teens are way off the dial compared to 5-10 years ago
You're applying western standards there. A bit like the debate on 'posh'. Think globally.
Look at the number of hijras in India for example. There's good, long standing evidence from multiple cultures across the world that about 0.5% of the population feels aligned to gender norms that don't match the sex they were born into. That manifests in a variety of ways depending on cultural norms, e.g the 'traditional' effeminate homosexual to the closeted, married cross-dresser. The cultural norm in the 21st century, the generation younger than us, is that it's ok - hence more of them are visible these days.
I don't think there's any "elite led delusion" at play here, indeed "elite led delusion" is a hop, skip and a jump away from "they're putting estrogen in the water to turn the frogs gay" conspiracy theory territory, which is why I referenced Alex Jones.
As far as cancellation goes, 26% of trans people are involved in sex work and the average trans person earns under £11k a year, so I assume their status as a protected member of the elite class is really working out for them.
There's a website that lists individual trans people thru history and gives a potted biog for each one. It's not well indexed but does have an attempt at a timeline. The link is here
Fuck landlords! That’s convinced me to vote Labour.
'Rent control appears to be the most efficient technique presently known to destroy a city — except for bombing,'
Exactly as I predicted in a thread a few days ago. I *despise* landlords, but all this means is more pain for tenants. Simple supply and demand.
And before anyone comes back with the "good, more people can own their own place" argument, that's not much comfort to those who are geograpically mobile, or unable to afford their own place or a deposit to save up for one.
We have already seen that rent controls don't work - look at Scotland.
Problem is the only fix is to build x million new homes and as I pointed out on Twitter in a chat with Dave Herdson earlier - we only just about have the capacity to build the houses we currently build we definitely don't have the skillset to increase that by 10% let alone the 150-200% we require...
And if we want lower rents - we need an awful lot of houses built...
The barrier to housing construction isn't labour, its planning controls.
Japan is a country with a much tighter labour market than us and they manage more housing builds than we do. Because planning isn't a problem there.
Fix the problem, houses will be built. Whinging about labour is just an excuse by NIMBYs who don't want the real problem fixed.
And solar will be looking pretty grim by midnight.
Why the sarcastic reply?
Coz I think solar is a waste of time in the UK.
I was not intending anything against you, so apologies if it came across that way.
5% of our total generation last year, so it's some way from irrelevant.
It must have the worst return on energy generated per billion spent.
Remember when you and I were virtually the only people on PB willing to say “er, it quite likely came from the lab? The bat virus lab just down the road from the bat virus outbreak?”
Now read this:
“EcoHealth Alliance and Dr. Peter Daszak should never again receive a single penny from the U.S. taxpayer. Only two weeks after the Select Subcommittee released an extensive report detailing EcoHealth’s wrongdoing and recommending the formal debarment of EcoHealth and its president, HHS has begun efforts to cut off all U.S. funding to this corrupt organization. EcoHealth facilitated gain-of-function research in Wuhan, China without proper oversight, willingly violated multiple requirements of its multimillion-dollar National Institutes of Health grant, and apparently made false statements to the NIH. These actions are wholly abhorrent, indefensible, and must be addressed with swift action. EcoHealth’s immediate funding suspension and future debarment is not only a victory for the U.S. taxpayer, but also for American national security and the safety of citizens worldwide" - Chairman Wenstrup, Committee on Oversight and Accountability - COVID-19.
Indeed. Yet there's still some die hards even on here who want to cling to the idea that they weren't being lied to by the "good" side and the "bad" team were right about it all.
We had a uni mates reunion a couple of weekends ago that I was graciously allowed to attend for a few hours by my wife juggling a relative newborn and a toddler. The subject came up (unsurprising given that we all studied chemistry, biochemistry and/or medicine) and the consensus around the room was unanimous that it was a lab leak and that it was likely covered up by the Americans because senior people in their health regulatory infrastructure were implicated. They all work in research and know how easy it is for political pressure to change decisions by journals.
Quite so, quite so. And for a long time it was just you and me willing to say this on PB. And sometimes @Gardenwalker as well
Pitiful
Anyway we now need a reckoning. Science itself needs to be severely scrutinised - from the labs to the journals
Yes agreed, the corruption of science by political operators in healthcare regulation was awful and there does now need to be some measures put in place to insulate science from politicians who were more worried about their dirty dealings with WIV than stopping the virus from spreading.
Wenstrup believes Trump won the 2020 election.
It’s a bipartisan committee investigating Covid origins. Equal Dems and Reps. See here
And this is their conclusion on Ecohealth, who ran the gain of function bat coronovirus virology for Fauci at Wuhan
🚨BREAKING🚨
Today, based on evidence uncovered in @COVIDSelect's recent report, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services commenced formal debarment proceedings against EcoHealth Alliance.
EcoHealth will now face an immediate, government-wide suspension of taxpayer funds — including a hold on all active grants.
Its over. All the years of lies and gaslighting are over. It’s done
No doubt we’ll never get the full facts, given it happened in China, but at least the ridiculous taboo on Lab leak is now lifted.
What taboo? People have been going on about the “Lab leak” for years!
It’s a majority Republican committee, with one its members being Marjorie Taylor Greene, so I could barely rustle up the interest to look at what they said. But I did, and what they said doesn’t remotely prove there was a lab leak. It’s half a dozen steps from proving anything. It’s like when SeanT kept telling us how some US Committee proved UFOs exist: excitable nonsense.
Everything else we know — where the first cases were, the genetic variation in the early cases, the environmental samples from the wet market, etc. — all demonstrate that this was a zoonotic event, like every other pandemic.
Everyone who has suggested Lab leak, which given the genetic signature of the first cases as well as the shit security at the Wuhan labs and the long history of lab leaks including examples as recent as the foot and mouth plague, was always a perfectly rational option, was dismissed as a conspiracy theorist.
It became a culture war battle, which is ridiculous.
Not only that - “lab leak” was officially silenced on Twitter and Facebook for a year. You literally weren’t allowed to mention it and if you did your comments were deleted and if you persisted you could get banned
Utterly extraordinary, looking back
One day we will look back at it as the last golden moment of US/China cooperation.
They cooperated for good reason. It suited both. America paid for this research, China hosted it
Neither side wanted to face the hideous possibly they accidentally leaked it and killed 20 million
The scientists are on record saying this in FOIA’d emails!
Edinburgh university’s Andrew Rambaut: “Given the shitshow that would happen if anyone serious accused the Chinese of even accidental release, my feeling is we should say that given there is no evidence of a specifically engineered virus, we cannot possibly distinguish between natural evolution and escape so we are content with ascribing it to natural processes,”
In other words, Fuck, it probably came from the lab, but that’s gonna annoy China and cause chaos, let’s just say we dunno and as we dunno it’s probably the market kthxbye
I must admit, I really struggle with all these arguments.
Yes, it probably came - accidentally - from a lab.
Yes, scientists should not have been scared of admitting this.
And yes, Facebook/Twitter should not have shut down discussion.
But... so what? If people had been more honest (or perhaps I should say brave), it would have been great, but it wouldn't have saved a single life.
The volte face on Ecohealth by the US Congress is a bit like the Cass Report. Years of weird madness - it came from the market! Ignore the bat virus lab 200 yards away!! - have come to a juddering halt
No, those two are very different. The origin of Covid question is binary: either it leaked from a lab or not. And I think we all know it probably leaked from a lab.
The treatment of some of the most vulnerable young people in the country is not binary. It demands understanding, nuance, and the rejection of extreme positions on all sides.
No. The parallel is the insanity of both positions
A novel bat coronavirus with weird signs of extra pathogenicity emerges in the one city in the world with a lab trying to make novel bat coronaviruses more pathogenic - but saying there is a link is a racist conspiracy theory!
See also
Men can be women just by saying they are and they should then be allowed access to women’s sports and prisons and safe spaces and it’s normal that suddenly millions of kids don’t know what gender they are for the first time in history
Both are obviously and totally crazy; both were the official and firmly enforced consensus for years. Both have done terrible damage. One prevented us properly investigating a virus that killed 20m people; one has damaged many thousands of lives
The prevalence of transgenderism in the general population is about 0.5%, which is more or less where it's always been. The difference is the era you and I grew up in, such people were the subject of ridicule - think jokes about 'The Crying Game', Jerry Springer, etc. While the yoof of today don't give a shit. There's just as many of them about as they always were, it's just much more visible now, because times have moved on.
Comparing people with a non-mainstream gender identity to a lab leak conspiracy is a weird, Alex Jones, "turning the friggin' frogs gay" vibe. But you do you.
Er, what?
I’m saying these are two examples of elite-led delusions, obvious nonsense that was enforced by cancellation and silencing of dissenters
And I have two teenage daughters and I can assure you - as I bet many parents on here can assure you - that levels of gender confusion in teens are way off the dial compared to 5-10 years ago
You're applying western standards there. A bit like the debate on 'posh'. Think globally.
Look at the number of hijras in India for example. There's good, long standing evidence from multiple cultures across the world that about 0.5% of the population feels aligned to gender norms that don't match the sex they were born into. That manifests in a variety of ways depending on cultural norms, e.g the 'traditional' effeminate homosexual to the closeted, married cross-dresser. The cultural norm in the 21st century, the generation younger than us, is that it's ok - hence more of them are visible these days.
I don't think there's any "elite led delusion" at play here, indeed "elite led delusion" is a hop, skip and a jump away from "they're putting estrogen in the water to turn the frogs gay" conspiracy theory territory, which is why I referenced Alex Jones.
As far as cancellation goes, 26% of trans people are involved in sex work and the average trans person earns under £11k a year, so I assume their status as a protected member of the elite class is really working out for them.
There's a website that lists individual trans people thru history and gives a potted biog for each one. It's not well indexed but does have an attempt at a timeline. The link is here
Just as the French bemoan the fact that their best contribution to the lexicon in the last century was the word "chauffeur" (if you don't count "Vichy" 😀 ), I think it's a bit sad that the best British contribution is the acronym NIMBY.
Fuck landlords! That’s convinced me to vote Labour.
'Rent control appears to be the most efficient technique presently known to destroy a city — except for bombing,'
Exactly as I predicted in a thread a few days ago. I *despise* landlords, but all this means is more pain for tenants. Simple supply and demand.
And before anyone comes back with the "good, more people can own their own place" argument, that's not much comfort to those who are geograpically mobile, or unable to afford their own place or a deposit to save up for one.
We have already seen that rent controls don't work - look at Scotland.
Problem is the only fix is to build x million new homes and as I pointed out on Twitter in a chat with Dave Herdson earlier - we only just about have the capacity to build the houses we currently build we definitely don't have the skillset to increase that by 10% let alone the 150-200% we require...
And if we want lower rents - we need an awful lot of houses built...
The barrier to housing construction isn't labour, its planning controls.
Japan is a country with a much tighter labour market than us and they manage more housing builds than we do. Because planning isn't a problem there.
Fix the problem, houses will be built. Whinging about labour is just an excuse by NIMBYs who don't want the real problem fixed.
While I completely agree that we should loosen up planning, I think you do need to accept that Japanese* homes are almost entirely made of wood, have limited lives, and are much quicker/cheaper to build.
So, I don't think you can simply extrapolate the number of Japanese housing starts to the UK.
Fuck landlords! That’s convinced me to vote Labour.
'Rent control appears to be the most efficient technique presently known to destroy a city — except for bombing,'
Exactly as I predicted in a thread a few days ago. I *despise* landlords, but all this means is more pain for tenants. Simple supply and demand.
And before anyone comes back with the "good, more people can own their own place" argument, that's not much comfort to those who are geograpically mobile, or unable to afford their own place or a deposit to save up for one.
We have already seen that rent controls don't work - look at Scotland.
Problem is the only fix is to build x million new homes and as I pointed out on Twitter in a chat with Dave Herdson earlier - we only just about have the capacity to build the houses we currently build we definitely don't have the skillset to increase that by 10% let alone the 150-200% we require...
And if we want lower rents - we need an awful lot of houses built...
The barrier to housing construction isn't labour, its planning controls.
Japan is a country with a much tighter labour market than us and they manage more housing builds than we do. Because planning isn't a problem there.
Fix the problem, houses will be built. Whinging about labour is just an excuse by NIMBYs who don't want the real problem fixed.
While I completely agree that we should loosen up planning, I think you do need to accept that Japanese* homes are almost entirely made of wood, have limited lives, and are much quicker/cheaper to build.
So, I don't think you can simply extrapolate the number of Japanese housing starts to the UK.
* Like American ones
Question.
Why do we not build more houses out of wood?
It's hard to argue they would be less long-lasting than the rubbish currently being built. Insulation means they could be as warm. It would be both cheaper and quicker.
lmao Goodwin's published headline figures based on an obviously error-strewn data table:
Here's the data without adjustments. Looks clear to me that the table the headline figures are drawn from, once undecideds and likelihood to vote are factored in, is missing a row of data - the SNP figures should be Plaid's, Plaid's should be in the 'some other party' row.
The error with the table is the rows from SNP down. Hard to know exactly what the problem is (many ways to build a set of tabs), but the SNP data isn't being pulled through and the code is skipping over to the Plaid data (then back round to the unweighted sample at the bottom).
I find this very funny, but it's also very annoying. Casts a poor light on the industry that an outfit that can't check a three-page set of tables properly is publishing polls with BPC membership attached to them.
Can we perhaps have a PB rules exception for Peoplepolling?
Last night it was decreed that the c bomb could be dropped for humanitarian reasons in relation to a small number of individuals.
So the rule that one must not cast aspersions on the professionalism of members of the BPF could perhaps we waived for Mr Goodwin
I believe a similar waiver was launched for the citation of Scottish subsampling, once a capital crime on here. My understanding is that it is now acceptable, provided a klaxon is sounded ahead of the subsample?
The rule is that you make it clear that it is a sub sample.
What is not permitted is passing off a Scottish subsample as a full blown Scottish poll.
Paywalled. Does she say, please, if (a) it's optional and (b) who decides? The council?
Labour’s shadow chancellor has opened the door to rent caps, arguing they could be beneficial if brought in for local areas.
Rachel Reeves insisted she was against a “blanket approach”, but said there may be a “case” for rent controls on a local level.
In an interview with BBC Radio Essex, she suggested councils should get a say on whether to bring in new restrictions, arguing that it “should be up to local areas to decide”.
Ms Reeves was speaking after a Labour-commissioned report found that rents should be capped for tenants who could not afford rising costs.
The rationale behind this is not complicated. In a significant housing shortage both rent controls and its opposite, no rent controls, are intolerable policies. So the trick is to transfer the decision to the local level where someone else decides it and takes the political heat. Simple.
Fuck landlords! That’s convinced me to vote Labour.
'Rent control appears to be the most efficient technique presently known to destroy a city — except for bombing,'
Exactly as I predicted in a thread a few days ago. I *despise* landlords, but all this means is more pain for tenants. Simple supply and demand.
And before anyone comes back with the "good, more people can own their own place" argument, that's not much comfort to those who are geograpically mobile, or unable to afford their own place or a deposit to save up for one.
We have already seen that rent controls don't work - look at Scotland.
Problem is the only fix is to build x million new homes and as I pointed out on Twitter in a chat with Dave Herdson earlier - we only just about have the capacity to build the houses we currently build we definitely don't have the skillset to increase that by 10% let alone the 150-200% we require...
And if we want lower rents - we need an awful lot of houses built...
The barrier to housing construction isn't labour, its planning controls.
Japan is a country with a much tighter labour market than us and they manage more housing builds than we do. Because planning isn't a problem there.
Fix the problem, houses will be built. Whinging about labour is just an excuse by NIMBYs who don't want the real problem fixed.
While I completely agree that we should loosen up planning, I think you do need to accept that Japanese* homes are almost entirely made of wood, have limited lives, and are much quicker/cheaper to build.
So, I don't think you can simply extrapolate the number of Japanese housing starts to the UK.
* Like American ones
Question.
Why do we not build more houses out of wood?
It's hard to argue they would be less long-lasting than the rubbish currently being built. Insulation means they could be as warm. It would be both cheaper and quicker.
Fuck landlords! That’s convinced me to vote Labour.
'Rent control appears to be the most efficient technique presently known to destroy a city — except for bombing,'
Exactly as I predicted in a thread a few days ago. I *despise* landlords, but all this means is more pain for tenants. Simple supply and demand.
And before anyone comes back with the "good, more people can own their own place" argument, that's not much comfort to those who are geograpically mobile, or unable to afford their own place or a deposit to save up for one.
We have already seen that rent controls don't work - look at Scotland.
Problem is the only fix is to build x million new homes and as I pointed out on Twitter in a chat with Dave Herdson earlier - we only just about have the capacity to build the houses we currently build we definitely don't have the skillset to increase that by 10% let alone the 150-200% we require...
And if we want lower rents - we need an awful lot of houses built...
The barrier to housing construction isn't labour, its planning controls.
Japan is a country with a much tighter labour market than us and they manage more housing builds than we do. Because planning isn't a problem there.
Fix the problem, houses will be built. Whinging about labour is just an excuse by NIMBYs who don't want the real problem fixed.
While I completely agree that we should loosen up planning, I think you do need to accept that Japanese* homes are almost entirely made of wood, have limited lives, and are much quicker/cheaper to build.
So, I don't think you can simply extrapolate the number of Japanese housing starts to the UK.
* Like American ones
Get rid of the planning premium on land and people can quicker throw up wooden homes here too. Cheaper land and cheaper build, win/win.
Fuck landlords! That’s convinced me to vote Labour.
'Rent control appears to be the most efficient technique presently known to destroy a city — except for bombing,'
Exactly as I predicted in a thread a few days ago. I *despise* landlords, but all this means is more pain for tenants. Simple supply and demand.
And before anyone comes back with the "good, more people can own their own place" argument, that's not much comfort to those who are geograpically mobile, or unable to afford their own place or a deposit to save up for one.
We have already seen that rent controls don't work - look at Scotland.
Problem is the only fix is to build x million new homes and as I pointed out on Twitter in a chat with Dave Herdson earlier - we only just about have the capacity to build the houses we currently build we definitely don't have the skillset to increase that by 10% let alone the 150-200% we require...
And if we want lower rents - we need an awful lot of houses built...
The barrier to housing construction isn't labour, its planning controls.
Japan is a country with a much tighter labour market than us and they manage more housing builds than we do. Because planning isn't a problem there.
Fix the problem, houses will be built. Whinging about labour is just an excuse by NIMBYs who don't want the real problem fixed.
While I completely agree that we should loosen up planning, I think you do need to accept that Japanese* homes are almost entirely made of wood, have limited lives, and are much quicker/cheaper to build.
So, I don't think you can simply extrapolate the number of Japanese housing starts to the UK.
* Like American ones
Question.
Why do we not build more houses out of wood?
It's hard to argue they would be less long-lasting than the rubbish currently being built. Insulation means they could be as warm. It would be both cheaper and quicker.
Paywalled. Does she say, please, if (a) it's optional and (b) who decides? The council?
Labour’s shadow chancellor has opened the door to rent caps, arguing they could be beneficial if brought in for local areas.
Rachel Reeves insisted she was against a “blanket approach”, but said there may be a “case” for rent controls on a local level.
In an interview with BBC Radio Essex, she suggested councils should get a say on whether to bring in new restrictions, arguing that it “should be up to local areas to decide”.
Ms Reeves was speaking after a Labour-commissioned report found that rents should be capped for tenants who could not afford rising costs.
The rationale behind this is not complicated. In a significant housing shortage both rent controls and its opposite, no rent controls, are intolerable policies. So the trick is to transfer the decision to the local level where someone else decides it and takes the political heat. Simple.
Andy Burnham is asking for the powers to suspend right to buy whilst he builds loads of social housing to address the housing problems in Manchester.
I quite like the idea of locally elected politicians making such decisions rather than someone hundreds of miles away.
Fuck landlords! That’s convinced me to vote Labour.
'Rent control appears to be the most efficient technique presently known to destroy a city — except for bombing,'
Exactly as I predicted in a thread a few days ago. I *despise* landlords, but all this means is more pain for tenants. Simple supply and demand.
And before anyone comes back with the "good, more people can own their own place" argument, that's not much comfort to those who are geograpically mobile, or unable to afford their own place or a deposit to save up for one.
We have already seen that rent controls don't work - look at Scotland.
Problem is the only fix is to build x million new homes and as I pointed out on Twitter in a chat with Dave Herdson earlier - we only just about have the capacity to build the houses we currently build we definitely don't have the skillset to increase that by 10% let alone the 150-200% we require...
And if we want lower rents - we need an awful lot of houses built...
The barrier to housing construction isn't labour, its planning controls.
Japan is a country with a much tighter labour market than us and they manage more housing builds than we do. Because planning isn't a problem there.
Fix the problem, houses will be built. Whinging about labour is just an excuse by NIMBYs who don't want the real problem fixed.
While I completely agree that we should loosen up planning, I think you do need to accept that Japanese* homes are almost entirely made of wood, have limited lives, and are much quicker/cheaper to build.
So, I don't think you can simply extrapolate the number of Japanese housing starts to the UK.
* Like American ones
Question.
Why do we not build more houses out of wood?
It's hard to argue they would be less long-lasting than the rubbish currently being built. Insulation means they could be as warm. It would be both cheaper and quicker.
Fuck landlords! That’s convinced me to vote Labour.
'Rent control appears to be the most efficient technique presently known to destroy a city — except for bombing,'
Exactly as I predicted in a thread a few days ago. I *despise* landlords, but all this means is more pain for tenants. Simple supply and demand.
And before anyone comes back with the "good, more people can own their own place" argument, that's not much comfort to those who are geograpically mobile, or unable to afford their own place or a deposit to save up for one.
We have already seen that rent controls don't work - look at Scotland.
Problem is the only fix is to build x million new homes and as I pointed out on Twitter in a chat with Dave Herdson earlier - we only just about have the capacity to build the houses we currently build we definitely don't have the skillset to increase that by 10% let alone the 150-200% we require...
And if we want lower rents - we need an awful lot of houses built...
The barrier to housing construction isn't labour, its planning controls.
Japan is a country with a much tighter labour market than us and they manage more housing builds than we do. Because planning isn't a problem there.
Fix the problem, houses will be built. Whinging about labour is just an excuse by NIMBYs who don't want the real problem fixed.
While I completely agree that we should loosen up planning, I think you do need to accept that Japanese* homes are almost entirely made of wood, have limited lives, and are much quicker/cheaper to build.
So, I don't think you can simply extrapolate the number of Japanese housing starts to the UK.
* Like American ones
Question.
Why do we not build more houses out of wood?
It's hard to argue they would be less long-lasting than the rubbish currently being built. Insulation means they could be as warm. It would be both cheaper and quicker.
So what's the reason?
People won't buy them.
Can't get mortgages?
I have some sympathy for the wooden house movement, but I must admit I did start when I read about one which used pulped newspapers or recycled wool or something for insulation between the walls. No idea whether they protect against, foir instance, clothes moths ... but IANAE.
lmao Goodwin's published headline figures based on an obviously error-strewn data table:
Here's the data without adjustments. Looks clear to me that the table the headline figures are drawn from, once undecideds and likelihood to vote are factored in, is missing a row of data - the SNP figures should be Plaid's, Plaid's should be in the 'some other party' row.
The error with the table is the rows from SNP down. Hard to know exactly what the problem is (many ways to build a set of tabs), but the SNP data isn't being pulled through and the code is skipping over to the Plaid data (then back round to the unweighted sample at the bottom).
I find this very funny, but it's also very annoying. Casts a poor light on the industry that an outfit that can't check a three-page set of tables properly is publishing polls with BPC membership attached to them.
Paywalled. Does she say, please, if (a) it's optional and (b) who decides? The council?
Labour’s shadow chancellor has opened the door to rent caps, arguing they could be beneficial if brought in for local areas.
Rachel Reeves insisted she was against a “blanket approach”, but said there may be a “case” for rent controls on a local level.
In an interview with BBC Radio Essex, she suggested councils should get a say on whether to bring in new restrictions, arguing that it “should be up to local areas to decide”.
Ms Reeves was speaking after a Labour-commissioned report found that rents should be capped for tenants who could not afford rising costs.
The rationale behind this is not complicated. In a significant housing shortage both rent controls and its opposite, no rent controls, are intolerable policies. So the trick is to transfer the decision to the local level where someone else decides it and takes the political heat. Simple.
Andy Burnham is asking for the powers to suspend right to buy whilst he builds loads of social housing to address the housing problems in Manchester.
I quite like the idea of locally elected politicians making such decisions rather than someone hundreds of miles away.
Be that as it may, it doesn't matter for housing supply whether council tenant X gets ownership of a house instead of a lifetime tenancy.
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I was designated drinks watcher when they went to the bogs or outside for a cig because getting spiked is something that is real.
Never accept a drink from a stranger etc.
I've seen how unsubtle some males can be when they think they're God's gift to women.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election
It’s really grim the sort of shit women do have to put up with from guys on a night out. There’s now a thing where creeps are filming pissed girls at night in revealing outfits and posting all over social media. If these guys spent less time working out how to drug or upskirt women and more time talking like a normal person they might actually find a girlfriend.
I made sure everybody got home safely.
Same with being Muslim, same with being Jewish. Or transgender. Social media decrees that we take the worst traits of the group we don’t like and present that as the norm.
Q. What do you get if you cross a polar bear with a seal?
A. A polar bear.
What the poor domesticated equine has done to deserve, this who knows?
A black bear years ago, at a camp site. I had done the usual thing, put all our food in a back pack, threw a stick with a cord attached over a branch, tied the cord to the back pack, and then hoisted the back pack up with the cord, out of the bear's reach.
Some other campers who hadn't taken that precaution lost a little food. Bears at some camp sites have figured out that they can get the food by attacking the knot at the bottom end of the cord, but this one hadn't, or didn't feel the need to.
(Many years ago, some Yellowstone grizzlies had discovered they could pop open VW bugs, by jumping on top of the locked cars.)
Happy memories of the school milk at elevenses in the sixties anmd how some of the milk had been pre-opened - some blue tits had learned to peck open the bottle tops to drink the cream And then shown the others how to do it. Your bears are obviouslyt doing the same thing, only on a larger scale!
https://www.facebook.com/BBCArchive/videos/1958-news-tits-opening-milk-bottles/510619865977715/
https://ygo-assets-websites-editorial-emea.yougov.net/documents/YouGov_-_Man_vs_bear.pdf
Shadow chancellor raises possibility of rent caps under Labour
Rachel Reeves departs from party line to say controls on letting prices might work at a local level
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/05/17/shadow-chancellor-raises-possibility-rent-caps-under-labour/
Rachel Reeves insisted she was against a “blanket approach”, but said there may be a “case” for rent controls on a local level.
In an interview with BBC Radio Essex, she suggested councils should get a say on whether to bring in new restrictions, arguing that it “should be up to local areas to decide”.
Ms Reeves was speaking after a Labour-commissioned report found that rents should be capped for tenants who could not afford rising costs.
You never know, the odd Tory council may jump at the chance if they think it would reduce pressure on their housing stock, and homelessness.
And before anyone comes back with the "good, more people can own their own place" argument, that's not much comfort to those who are geograpically mobile, or unable to afford their own place or a deposit to save up for one.
Problem is the only fix is to build x million new homes and as I pointed out on Twitter in a chat with Dave Herdson earlier - we only just about have the capacity to build the houses we currently build we definitely don't have the skillset to increase that by 10% let alone the 150-200% we require...
And if we want lower rents - we need an awful lot of houses built...
This is the first serious misstep by Reeves and I am very surprised
Rent controls do not work
https://oversight.house.gov/subcommittee/select-subcommittee-on-the-coronavirus-pandemic/
And this is their conclusion on Ecohealth, who ran the gain of function bat coronovirus virology for Fauci at Wuhan
🚨BREAKING🚨
Today, based on evidence uncovered in @COVIDSelect's recent report, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services commenced formal debarment proceedings against EcoHealth Alliance.
EcoHealth will now face an immediate, government-wide suspension of taxpayer funds — including a hold on all active grants.
https://x.com/covidselect/status/1790762368898654308?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw
Its over. All the years of lies and gaslighting are over. It’s done
The treatment of some of the most vulnerable young people in the country is not binary. It demands understanding, nuance, and the rejection of extreme positions on all sides.
(narrator: bears are evil land sharks in a fur coat and should be shot on sight)
So, while partygoers in Spain returning home with Covid might have been a factor, air travel in itself does not seem to have had any measureable effect once the virus has taken hold. (And that's not surprising, because you are going to be exporting people with Covid at roughly the same rate that you import them.)
A novel bat coronavirus with weird signs of extra pathogenicity emerges in the one city in the world with a lab trying to make novel bat coronaviruses more pathogenic - but saying there is a link is a racist conspiracy theory!
See also
Men can be women just by saying they are and they should then be allowed access to women’s sports and prisons and safe spaces and it’s normal that suddenly millions of kids don’t know what gender they are for the first time in history
Both are obviously and totally crazy; both were the official and firmly enforced consensus for years. Both have done terrible damage. One prevented us properly investigating a virus that killed 20m people; one has damaged many thousands of lives
It’s a majority Republican committee, with one its members being Marjorie Taylor Greene, so I could barely rustle up the interest to look at what they said. But I did, and what they said doesn’t remotely prove there was a lab leak. It’s half a dozen steps from proving anything. It’s like when SeanT kept telling us how some US Committee proved UFOs exist: excitable nonsense.
Everything else we know — where the first cases were, the genetic variation in the early cases, the environmental samples from the wet market, etc. — all demonstrate that this was a zoonotic event, like every other pandemic.
The first cases happened to be in the same city where there just happened to be the world's number one bat virus research facility.
That's a hell of a coincidence. Not impossible, sure. But a hell of a coincidence.
Comparing people with a non-mainstream gender identity to a lab leak conspiracy is a weird, Alex Jones, "turning the friggin' frogs gay" vibe. But you do you.
**BREAKING***
Virologist Susan Weiss asserts that if COVID-19 came from a lab worker being infected w/ SARS-CoV-2, this would not be a "lab leak" but rather a zoonotic origin (because it would be a jump from a non-human to a human)
https://x.com/bryce_nickels/status/1790482557131489610?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw
It would be comical - if it weren’t for the 20 million dead people
I’m saying these are two examples of elite-led delusions, obvious nonsense that was enforced by cancellation and silencing of dissenters
And I have two teenage daughters and I can assure you - as I bet many parents on here can assure you - that levels of gender confusion in teens are way off the dial compared to 5-10 years ago
It became a culture war battle, which is ridiculous.
Utterly extraordinary, looking back
And people choose to interpret those words very differently.
Remember when Eadric and SeanT. shacked up together in their hidey hole in Wales. No mention of lab leaks then, just soiled underwear.
Look at the number of hijras in India for example. There's good, long standing evidence from multiple cultures across the world that about 0.5% of the population feels aligned to gender norms that don't match the sex they were born into. That manifests in a variety of ways depending on cultural norms, e.g the 'traditional' effeminate homosexual to the closeted, married cross-dresser. The cultural norm in the 21st century, the generation younger than us, is that it's ok - hence more of them are visible these days.
I don't think there's any "elite led delusion" at play here, indeed "elite led delusion" is a hop, skip and a jump away from "they're putting estrogen in the water to turn the frogs gay" conspiracy theory territory, which is why I referenced Alex Jones.
As far as cancellation goes, 26% of trans people are involved in sex work and the average trans person earns under £11k a year, so I assume their status as a protected member of the elite class is really working out for them.
We’re currently generating only 1gw of wind power, and 0.7gw of solar. Lowest wind for nearly a year I think. Extremely slack pressure gradient, typical of early summer.
The good news is total demand is only 28gw and gas is providing a relatively small 14gw. The rest is nuclear plus some French imports (ie nuclear). And a bit of hydro and biomass. No coal.
So even when the grid is as non-renewable as it’s possible to be these days, thanks to the gas transition and massive energy efficiency gains in recent years it’s still way less carbon intensive than it used to be.
https://x.com/SpecCartoons/status/1791449141215723934#m
Neither side wanted to face the hideous possibly they accidentally leaked it and killed 20 million
The scientists are on record saying this in FOIA’d emails!
Edinburgh university’s Andrew Rambaut: “Given the shitshow that would happen if anyone serious accused the Chinese of even accidental release, my feeling is we should say that given there is no evidence of a specifically engineered virus, we cannot possibly distinguish between natural evolution and escape so we are content with ascribing it to natural processes,”
https://x.com/biorealism/status/1679232678271520768?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw
In other words, Fuck, it probably came from the lab, but that’s gonna annoy China and cause chaos, let’s just say we dunno and as we dunno it’s probably the market kthxbye
https://zagria.blogspot.com/p/usa-canada-germanyaustriaswitzerland.html
(Warning: can be time sink)
Japan is a country with a much tighter labour market than us and they manage more housing builds than we do. Because planning isn't a problem there.
Fix the problem, houses will be built. Whinging about labour is just an excuse by NIMBYs who don't want the real problem fixed.
Sir Arthur Conan Doyle. Obviously an Irish name now I think about it. But I’d never noticed: Conan - Irish. Doyle - Irish.
Yes, it probably came - accidentally - from a lab.
Yes, scientists should not have been scared of admitting this.
And yes, Facebook/Twitter should not have shut down discussion.
But... so what? If people had been more honest (or perhaps I should say brave), it would have been great, but it wouldn't have saved a single life.
https://www.libraryireland.com/names/men/conan-conan.php
Or is there a better one I'm missing?
So, I don't think you can simply extrapolate the number of Japanese housing starts to the UK.
* Like American ones
Why do we not build more houses out of wood?
It's hard to argue they would be less long-lasting than the rubbish currently being built. Insulation means they could be as warm. It would be both cheaper and quicker.
So what's the reason?
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2023-04-19/low-carbon-wood-building-designs-face-fire-safety-doubts-in-uk
I quite like the idea of locally elected politicians making such decisions rather than someone hundreds of miles away.
I have some sympathy for the wooden house movement, but I must admit I did start when I read about one which used pulped newspapers or recycled wool or something for insulation between the walls. No idea whether they protect against, foir instance, clothes moths ... but IANAE.