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I suspect this will go on every Labour leaflet during the general election campaign

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  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    Dan Poulter was the Conservative health minister who was responsible for selling Britain’s supplier of blood plasma to a private equity firm for £200m.

    Given Labour’s commitment to expand privatisation in our NHS, the party seems like a perfect fit for him.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,477
    kle4 said:

    Aye, Humza Yousaf is more fucked than a stepmom on pornhub.

    Pact with Alba Party is price of Yousaf’s survival

    Alex Salmond reveals his terms for backing the beleaguered first minister as no-confidence vote loom


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/pact-with-alba-party-is-price-of-yousafs-survival-njfk8bbh7

    Didn't Salmond try to to get people to vote SNP for the constituency gote, Alba for the regional vote last scottish election? Didn't seem to cut through at all at the time, a proper pact seems a bit much for the SNP to accept even though they are weaker now.
    Alba or the SGs or a Unionist party, is the choice.
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 6,017
    Leon said:

    Big day, and I'm rather pleased with myself

    I had a tough start; actually the tough start began last night. Just as I went to bed a bit later than planned, a mass brawl kicked off in the plaza outside

    There was a lot of shouting, smashing and clanging. I glanced out of the window and saw a large crowd of young men throwing bottles, chairs and tables at each other

    I closed all the shutters and just tried to sleep. I got woken a few times by alternating violence and sirens, and there was still shouting outside when my alarm went off at half five

    I put my head under the pillow and fell asleep for another hour, waking up to quiet. Fuck knows what happened, maybe just a normal Friday night in Astorga?

    So I set off rather late, just after eight, feeling less than fully rested

    The weather has been awful most of today; cloudy, cold, windy and wet - and even ten minutes of hail, during which I saw some English graffitti on the back of a road sign

    "Grit your teeth and keep walking"

    I did just that and managed to get just over fifty kilometres walked today, all the way to León

    The weather cheered up. I got a lovely hotel room right in the centre, about three hundred yards from the Cathedral. I dropped my bag in my room and went to see the Cathedral (sadly closed, apparently has rather special stained glass ŵindows)

    Now eating dinner in an excellent Asian restaurant, the top rated place on TripAdvisor, next door to my hotel!


    Yay. Well done you

    Cathedral looks amazing

    I forgot if you ever told us, why are you doing the Camino in reverse?
    Not sure what first put the idea in my head, but the idea of a couple of days and nights eating in San Sebastian post Camino settled it
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736

    Have we had this:

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    LAB: 44% (+1)
    CON: 22% (-4)
    RFM: 13% (+2)
    LDM: 9% (=)
    GRN: 6% (-1)
    SNP: 3% (+1)

    Via @wethinkpolling, 25-26 Apr.

    Raynergate rampers please explain.

    Raynergate has never been a story

    Tories are totally desperate.

    Looks like they are going to get a tonking barring some black swan event
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 4,069

    That’s absolutely spectacular. A reverse hostile takeover by Salmond. And as we know, he remains a spectacularly popular politician which is why he won so many votes last time out in his local patch…
    I assume Useless will say no and go
    I expect so. And then the SNP will put up someone else. Will Salmond maintain his "only if you do what I tell you" ultimatum? Because if he does, that someone else would also immediately fail.

    Tempted to drive over the hill and lob a thank you card over his gate.
    Scotland like the rest of UK needs elections
    I'm doing more reading. Here is the problem for the SNP:
    1. Yousaf has written a letter of unreal desperation to each party leader. Like this one sent to DRoss: https://twitter.com/PGibbano/status/1784278750760255509
    2. If the Greens vote against, the balance of power is held by Ash Reagan. The greens not only will vote against Yousaf, but will also vote against anyone they dislike, again and again: https://twitter.com/SuzJamieson/status/1784229956907655676
    3. There is a deal on offer from Salmond for Reagan's vote. But at a price (electoral pact with Salmond in charge) they cannot accept without losing SNP members defecting to the Greens or elsewhere

    Yousless has done this. Demolished the deal with the Greens so badly that they will now vote against the SNP unless they get the whip hand. And the only other option is a deal with Alba, with the devil getting the whip hand.

    Unless the Greens or Salmond back down, an election seems inevitable.
    A .SCOT, .UK and .US election in the space of six months or so. Can you imagine the look of tired desperation on the hacks faces come November or so? It's just as well they never cover the rest of the world or they'd be truly knackered.
  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,655

    Dan Poulter was the Conservative health minister who was responsible for selling Britain’s supplier of blood plasma to a private equity firm for £200m.

    Given Labour’s commitment to expand privatisation in our NHS, the party seems like a perfect fit for him.

    Then it appears that 90%+ of voters support privatisation in the NHS.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    EPG said:

    Dan Poulter was the Conservative health minister who was responsible for selling Britain’s supplier of blood plasma to a private equity firm for £200m.

    Given Labour’s commitment to expand privatisation in our NHS, the party seems like a perfect fit for him.

    Then it appears that 90%+ of voters support privatisation in the NHS.
    I think Labours plans are not yet well known and people think they are against it.

    Streeting and SKSs donors have huge sums invested though so its pretty obvious why

    The voters have 6 months to save the NHS from red and blue Tory privatisers
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736

    ohnotnow said:

    That’s absolutely spectacular. A reverse hostile takeover by Salmond. And as we know, he remains a spectacularly popular politician which is why he won so many votes last time out in his local patch…
    I assume Useless will say no and go
    I expect so. And then the SNP will put up someone else. Will Salmond maintain his "only if you do what I tell you" ultimatum? Because if he does, that someone else would also immediately fail.

    Tempted to drive over the hill and lob a thank you card over his gate.
    Scotland like the rest of UK needs elections
    I'm doing more reading. Here is the problem for the SNP:
    1. Yousaf has written a letter of unreal desperation to each party leader. Like this one sent to DRoss: https://twitter.com/PGibbano/status/1784278750760255509
    2. If the Greens vote against, the balance of power is held by Ash Reagan. The greens not only will vote against Yousaf, but will also vote against anyone they dislike, again and again: https://twitter.com/SuzJamieson/status/1784229956907655676
    3. There is a deal on offer from Salmond for Reagan's vote. But at a price (electoral pact with Salmond in charge) they cannot accept without losing SNP members defecting to the Greens or elsewhere

    Yousless has done this. Demolished the deal with the Greens so badly that they will now vote against the SNP unless they get the whip hand. And the only other option is a deal with Alba, with the devil getting the whip hand.

    Unless the Greens or Salmond back down, an election seems inevitable.
    A .SCOT, .UK and .US election in the space of six months or so. Can you imagine the look of tired desperation on the hacks faces come November or so? It's just as well they never cover the rest of the world or they'd be truly knackered.
    Spare a thought for the editor of a political betting site in those circumstances.


    ***Can you handle three massive elections at the same time?***
    Keep going TSE you are doing a sterling job

    All we ask is you keep the site going till those 2 events

    We are lucky to have you
  • kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 4,951
    Leon said:

    Big day, and I'm rather pleased with myself

    I had a tough start; actually the tough start began last night. Just as I went to bed a bit later than planned, a mass brawl kicked off in the plaza outside

    There was a lot of shouting, smashing and clanging. I glanced out of the window and saw a large crowd of young men throwing bottles, chairs and tables at each other

    I closed all the shutters and just tried to sleep. I got woken a few times by alternating violence and sirens, and there was still shouting outside when my alarm went off at half five

    I put my head under the pillow and fell asleep for another hour, waking up to quiet. Fuck knows what happened, maybe just a normal Friday night in Astorga?

    So I set off rather late, just after eight, feeling less than fully rested

    The weather has been awful most of today; cloudy, cold, windy and wet - and even ten minutes of hail, during which I saw some English graffitti on the back of a road sign

    "Grit your teeth and keep walking"

    I did just that and managed to get just over fifty kilometres walked today, all the way to León

    The weather cheered up. I got a lovely hotel room right in the centre, about three hundred yards from the Cathedral. I dropped my bag in my room and went to see the Cathedral (sadly closed, apparently has rather special stained glass ŵindows)

    Now eating dinner in an excellent Asian restaurant, the top rated place on TripAdvisor, next door to my hotel!


    I have another question. I’m doing a walking holiday for the gazette very soon. It’s in a lovely part of the world but - TBH - I find walking day after day quite dull. And I like walking. But I’m generally happy with a 1-3 hour schlep unless it’s absolutely compelling - like Paris in Decline the other day

    How do you get over that? Do you listen to audiobooks? Do you go into some zen state? Or is is actually quite hard - step after step after step…
    This is the kind of question that I think separates the drug people from the non drug people.

    How do you do a walking holiday? Don't you get bored, just doing the same thing for seven hours on repeat?
    Sorta the same question to, how do you cope with a five hour train journey? Well, you get high before you start (and top up in the bogs mid-journey if you feel it wearing off).
    How do people cope with the supermarket without a xanax to make the crowds bearable? Apparently, normies can do it just fine.
    The mind-numbing tedium of a day job without a dab of speed to make repetitive tasks seem satisfying.
    The idea of taking a stroll along a country lane without a tab of acid to make the whole thing interesting.

    Some people are built to find a seven hour walk from point A to point B interesting. Others, less so.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 14,002
    Evening all :)

    Some fairly predictable responses to the Poulter defection. The fact he is not standing as a Labour candidate in this or any other constituency is a "help" though defections are always difficult for all concerned.

    Whether he has acted out of principle or opportunity I don't know. His constituency was marginal in 1997 and 2001 (majority less than 4000) but is now probably safe (majority 23,000, swing required by Labour 20%).

    It sounds as though Poulter is trying to take the classic "I haven't left the party, the party has left me" line and I can appreciate that. We know however defections especially at parliamentary but at local level are timed and staged to achieve maximum damage to the former party and maximum advantage to the new party.

    The most damaging aspect is often the stated reason (which may or may not be the actual reason) for the defection. Poulter's comments on the NHS may or may not be accurate but they don't look good for the Conservatives and may re-enforce pre-existing conceptions among voters.
  • megasaurmegasaur Posts: 586

    Have we had this:

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    LAB: 44% (+1)
    CON: 22% (-4)
    RFM: 13% (+2)
    LDM: 9% (=)
    GRN: 6% (-1)
    SNP: 3% (+1)

    Via @wethinkpolling, 25-26 Apr.

    Raynergate rampers please explain.

    Raynergate has never been a story

    Tories are totally desperate.

    Looks like they are going to get a tonking barring some black swan event
    The CGT stuff is indeed a dead duck. What may nail her is if she was getting the 25% single occupant council tax discount when she and her brother were allegedly living there.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,961
    On the Irish news this evening a story about shortages in hundreds of different prescription drugs, mirroring stories that have existed for some time in Britain.

    What's going on? I would have expected the market to react to these shortages and increase supply. Why isn't that happening?
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    edited April 27
    Neil Diamond night on BBC

    I am so pissed on some Rum from Belize that i am belting our crackling Rosie at the top of my voice

    You dont bring me flowers now
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 29,000

    ohnotnow said:

    That’s absolutely spectacular. A reverse hostile takeover by Salmond. And as we know, he remains a spectacularly popular politician which is why he won so many votes last time out in his local patch…
    I assume Useless will say no and go
    I expect so. And then the SNP will put up someone else. Will Salmond maintain his "only if you do what I tell you" ultimatum? Because if he does, that someone else would also immediately fail.

    Tempted to drive over the hill and lob a thank you card over his gate.
    Scotland like the rest of UK needs elections
    I'm doing more reading. Here is the problem for the SNP:
    1. Yousaf has written a letter of unreal desperation to each party leader. Like this one sent to DRoss: https://twitter.com/PGibbano/status/1784278750760255509
    2. If the Greens vote against, the balance of power is held by Ash Reagan. The greens not only will vote against Yousaf, but will also vote against anyone they dislike, again and again: https://twitter.com/SuzJamieson/status/1784229956907655676
    3. There is a deal on offer from Salmond for Reagan's vote. But at a price (electoral pact with Salmond in charge) they cannot accept without losing SNP members defecting to the Greens or elsewhere

    Yousless has done this. Demolished the deal with the Greens so badly that they will now vote against the SNP unless they get the whip hand. And the only other option is a deal with Alba, with the devil getting the whip hand.

    Unless the Greens or Salmond back down, an election seems inevitable.
    A .SCOT, .UK and .US election in the space of six months or so. Can you imagine the look of tired desperation on the hacks faces come November or so? It's just as well they never cover the rest of the world or they'd be truly knackered.
    Spare a thought for the editor of a political betting site in those circumstances.


    ***Can you handle three massive elections at the same time?***
    I see we're back to the musings of Stepmoms on Pornhub again
  • MightyAlexMightyAlex Posts: 1,692
    You don't think they've were up to this in 2019?
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 29,000
    "But we Tories simply to have to win the election. Labour are ghastly - they say and do such awful things..."
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,477
    megasaur said:

    Have we had this:

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    LAB: 44% (+1)
    CON: 22% (-4)
    RFM: 13% (+2)
    LDM: 9% (=)
    GRN: 6% (-1)
    SNP: 3% (+1)

    Via @wethinkpolling, 25-26 Apr.

    Raynergate rampers please explain.

    Raynergate has never been a story

    Tories are totally desperate.

    Looks like they are going to get a tonking barring some black swan event
    The CGT stuff is indeed a dead duck. What may nail her is if she was getting the 25% single occupant council tax discount when she and her brother were allegedly living there.
    What's that, the fifth iteration?

    Might as wel go straight to her forgetting to feed the school goldfish when she was at primary.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,483

    You don't think they've were up to this in 2019?
    Almost certainly. However:

    1 They've got careless. The trick with this sort of propaganda is to hint/allege/smear, without letting it boil over into outright nastiness or madness. That is harder than it sounds, as GB News et al keep finding out to their cost.

    2 Everyone else has got better at sneaking in to see what's happening.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,606
    kyf_100 said:

    Leon said:

    Big day, and I'm rather pleased with myself

    I had a tough start; actually the tough start began last night. Just as I went to bed a bit later than planned, a mass brawl kicked off in the plaza outside

    There was a lot of shouting, smashing and clanging. I glanced out of the window and saw a large crowd of young men throwing bottles, chairs and tables at each other

    I closed all the shutters and just tried to sleep. I got woken a few times by alternating violence and sirens, and there was still shouting outside when my alarm went off at half five

    I put my head under the pillow and fell asleep for another hour, waking up to quiet. Fuck knows what happened, maybe just a normal Friday night in Astorga?

    So I set off rather late, just after eight, feeling less than fully rested

    The weather has been awful most of today; cloudy, cold, windy and wet - and even ten minutes of hail, during which I saw some English graffitti on the back of a road sign

    "Grit your teeth and keep walking"

    I did just that and managed to get just over fifty kilometres walked today, all the way to León

    The weather cheered up. I got a lovely hotel room right in the centre, about three hundred yards from the Cathedral. I dropped my bag in my room and went to see the Cathedral (sadly closed, apparently has rather special stained glass ŵindows)

    Now eating dinner in an excellent Asian restaurant, the top rated place on TripAdvisor, next door to my hotel!


    I have another question. I’m doing a walking holiday for the gazette very soon. It’s in a lovely part of the world but - TBH - I find walking day after day quite dull. And I like walking. But I’m generally happy with a 1-3 hour schlep unless it’s absolutely compelling - like Paris in Decline the other day

    How do you get over that? Do you listen to audiobooks? Do you go into some zen state? Or is is actually quite hard - step after step after step…
    This is the kind of question that I think separates the drug people from the non drug people.

    How do you do a walking holiday? Don't you get bored, just doing the same thing for seven hours on repeat?
    Sorta the same question to, how do you cope with a five hour train journey? Well, you get high before you start (and top up in the bogs mid-journey if you feel it wearing off).
    How do people cope with the supermarket without a xanax to make the crowds bearable? Apparently, normies can do it just fine.
    The mind-numbing tedium of a day job without a dab of speed to make repetitive tasks seem satisfying.
    The idea of taking a stroll along a country lane without a tab of acid to make the whole thing interesting.

    Some people are built to find a seven hour walk from point A to point B interesting. Others, less so.
    ARE YOU IMPLYING I’M EASILY BORED???
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,477
    Leon said:

    kyf_100 said:

    Leon said:

    Big day, and I'm rather pleased with myself

    I had a tough start; actually the tough start began last night. Just as I went to bed a bit later than planned, a mass brawl kicked off in the plaza outside

    There was a lot of shouting, smashing and clanging. I glanced out of the window and saw a large crowd of young men throwing bottles, chairs and tables at each other

    I closed all the shutters and just tried to sleep. I got woken a few times by alternating violence and sirens, and there was still shouting outside when my alarm went off at half five

    I put my head under the pillow and fell asleep for another hour, waking up to quiet. Fuck knows what happened, maybe just a normal Friday night in Astorga?

    So I set off rather late, just after eight, feeling less than fully rested

    The weather has been awful most of today; cloudy, cold, windy and wet - and even ten minutes of hail, during which I saw some English graffitti on the back of a road sign

    "Grit your teeth and keep walking"

    I did just that and managed to get just over fifty kilometres walked today, all the way to León

    The weather cheered up. I got a lovely hotel room right in the centre, about three hundred yards from the Cathedral. I dropped my bag in my room and went to see the Cathedral (sadly closed, apparently has rather special stained glass ŵindows)

    Now eating dinner in an excellent Asian restaurant, the top rated place on TripAdvisor, next door to my hotel!


    I have another question. I’m doing a walking holiday for the gazette very soon. It’s in a lovely part of the world but - TBH - I find walking day after day quite dull. And I like walking. But I’m generally happy with a 1-3 hour schlep unless it’s absolutely compelling - like Paris in Decline the other day

    How do you get over that? Do you listen to audiobooks? Do you go into some zen state? Or is is actually quite hard - step after step after step…
    This is the kind of question that I think separates the drug people from the non drug people.

    How do you do a walking holiday? Don't you get bored, just doing the same thing for seven hours on repeat?
    Sorta the same question to, how do you cope with a five hour train journey? Well, you get high before you start (and top up in the bogs mid-journey if you feel it wearing off).
    How do people cope with the supermarket without a xanax to make the crowds bearable? Apparently, normies can do it just fine.
    The mind-numbing tedium of a day job without a dab of speed to make repetitive tasks seem satisfying.
    The idea of taking a stroll along a country lane without a tab of acid to make the whole thing interesting.

    Some people are built to find a seven hour walk from point A to point B interesting. Others, less so.
    ARE YOU IMPLYING I’M EASILY BORED???
    Joyce's Ulysses a bit too much of a thriller for you?
  • kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 4,951
    Leon said:

    kyf_100 said:

    Leon said:

    Big day, and I'm rather pleased with myself

    I had a tough start; actually the tough start began last night. Just as I went to bed a bit later than planned, a mass brawl kicked off in the plaza outside

    There was a lot of shouting, smashing and clanging. I glanced out of the window and saw a large crowd of young men throwing bottles, chairs and tables at each other

    I closed all the shutters and just tried to sleep. I got woken a few times by alternating violence and sirens, and there was still shouting outside when my alarm went off at half five

    I put my head under the pillow and fell asleep for another hour, waking up to quiet. Fuck knows what happened, maybe just a normal Friday night in Astorga?

    So I set off rather late, just after eight, feeling less than fully rested

    The weather has been awful most of today; cloudy, cold, windy and wet - and even ten minutes of hail, during which I saw some English graffitti on the back of a road sign

    "Grit your teeth and keep walking"

    I did just that and managed to get just over fifty kilometres walked today, all the way to León

    The weather cheered up. I got a lovely hotel room right in the centre, about three hundred yards from the Cathedral. I dropped my bag in my room and went to see the Cathedral (sadly closed, apparently has rather special stained glass ŵindows)

    Now eating dinner in an excellent Asian restaurant, the top rated place on TripAdvisor, next door to my hotel!


    I have another question. I’m doing a walking holiday for the gazette very soon. It’s in a lovely part of the world but - TBH - I find walking day after day quite dull. And I like walking. But I’m generally happy with a 1-3 hour schlep unless it’s absolutely compelling - like Paris in Decline the other day

    How do you get over that? Do you listen to audiobooks? Do you go into some zen state? Or is is actually quite hard - step after step after step…
    This is the kind of question that I think separates the drug people from the non drug people.

    How do you do a walking holiday? Don't you get bored, just doing the same thing for seven hours on repeat?
    Sorta the same question to, how do you cope with a five hour train journey? Well, you get high before you start (and top up in the bogs mid-journey if you feel it wearing off).
    How do people cope with the supermarket without a xanax to make the crowds bearable? Apparently, normies can do it just fine.
    The mind-numbing tedium of a day job without a dab of speed to make repetitive tasks seem satisfying.
    The idea of taking a stroll along a country lane without a tab of acid to make the whole thing interesting.

    Some people are built to find a seven hour walk from point A to point B interesting. Others, less so.
    ARE YOU IMPLYING I’M EASILY BORED???
    Possibly the opposite, it's what makes you a good journalist. Being bored by simply walking in a straight line from A to B makes you either think up weird stuff about AI murdering us all or insisting on taking some weird detour down a single lane alley where you end up doing shots of samogon with ex-army paras.

    Being bored is something you can leverage into a marketable life skill of seeking out interesting things (once you get over the "just get drunk/high" phase to numb the boredom)
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    When i lose another 5st i intend to get one of these although tomorrow morning i wont

    https://twitter.com/AnnekaRice/status/1784304842527101083
  • legatuslegatus Posts: 126

    legatus said:

    That’s absolutely spectacular. A reverse hostile takeover by Salmond. And as we know, he remains a spectacularly popular politician which is why he won so many votes last time out in his local patch…
    I assume Useless will say no and go
    I expect so. And then the SNP will put up someone else. Will Salmond maintain his "only if you do what I tell you" ultimatum? Because if he does, that someone else would also immediately fail.

    Tempted to drive over the hill and lob a thank you card over his gate.
    Scotland like the rest of UK needs elections
    If my memory serves me correctly, a couple of years or so ago you - and quite a few others - were fairly dismissive of a poster on here - now long departed -who argued quite confidently that Labour could recover its former dominant position in Scotland.
    Nobody could have foreseen the collapse of the SNP in such a spectacular fashion
    Nobody did- the question is, could we have done? Should we have done?

    Now the cracks are visible, it's blooming obvious that a party that straddles rural conservatives and urban progressives isn't stable. The fissure was there, held together by the promise of the Sindyref and whatever it was Sturgeon was doing.

    The deal with the Greens, and the uber wokery that followed, probably made things worse, but the contradictions were there anyway.

    And whichever way the SNP wave function collapses, it loses half its support. Only question is- which half?
    I do recall someone on here predicting that the SNP bubble would burst eventually opening the door to a likely Labour recovery.
  • legatuslegatus Posts: 126
    in fairness Poulter has been critical of the tories, this from 2016
    www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/apr/14/middle-class-tax-cuts-wrong-when-so-many-rely-the-state
    Middle-class tax cuts are wrong when so many have to rely on the state...
    I struggle to see much improvement in the situation of some of the most disadvantaged people in our society. They are still the people that politicians tend to forget. Chronic underfunding of mental health and social care services, a shortage of social and appropriate sheltered housing, together with a benefits system that does not always adequately recognise the needs of people with severe and enduring mental illness do not help...
    The past year has shown me that Westminster too often feels a world apart from reality. It has also reinforced the belief that the state, and the people who work for it – in the NHS, in local councils and elsewhere – remains a tremendous force for good, that can touch vulnerable lives for the better...
    Our first priority must be to look after and protect the most vulnerable, and the genuinely disadvantaged. When there is so much still to be done to improve the life chances of the most vulnerable, it is difficult to justify putting middle-class tax cuts before the needs of the working poor, and the socially disadvantaged.
  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 3,328
    Leon said:

    kyf_100 said:

    Leon said:

    Big day, and I'm rather pleased with myself

    I had a tough start; actually the tough start began last night. Just as I went to bed a bit later than planned, a mass brawl kicked off in the plaza outside

    There was a lot of shouting, smashing and clanging. I glanced out of the window and saw a large crowd of young men throwing bottles, chairs and tables at each other

    I closed all the shutters and just tried to sleep. I got woken a few times by alternating violence and sirens, and there was still shouting outside when my alarm went off at half five

    I put my head under the pillow and fell asleep for another hour, waking up to quiet. Fuck knows what happened, maybe just a normal Friday night in Astorga?

    So I set off rather late, just after eight, feeling less than fully rested

    The weather has been awful most of today; cloudy, cold, windy and wet - and even ten minutes of hail, during which I saw some English graffitti on the back of a road sign

    "Grit your teeth and keep walking"

    I did just that and managed to get just over fifty kilometres walked today, all the way to León

    The weather cheered up. I got a lovely hotel room right in the centre, about three hundred yards from the Cathedral. I dropped my bag in my room and went to see the Cathedral (sadly closed, apparently has rather special stained glass ŵindows)

    Now eating dinner in an excellent Asian restaurant, the top rated place on TripAdvisor, next door to my hotel!


    I have another question. I’m doing a walking holiday for the gazette very soon. It’s in a lovely part of the world but - TBH - I find walking day after day quite dull. And I like walking. But I’m generally happy with a 1-3 hour schlep unless it’s absolutely compelling - like Paris in Decline the other day

    How do you get over that? Do you listen to audiobooks? Do you go into some zen state? Or is is actually quite hard - step after step after step…
    This is the kind of question that I think separates the drug people from the non drug people.

    How do you do a walking holiday? Don't you get bored, just doing the same thing for seven hours on repeat?
    Sorta the same question to, how do you cope with a five hour train journey? Well, you get high before you start (and top up in the bogs mid-journey if you feel it wearing off).
    How do people cope with the supermarket without a xanax to make the crowds bearable? Apparently, normies can do it just fine.
    The mind-numbing tedium of a day job without a dab of speed to make repetitive tasks seem satisfying.
    The idea of taking a stroll along a country lane without a tab of acid to make the whole thing interesting.

    Some people are built to find a seven hour walk from point A to point B interesting. Others, less so.
    ARE YOU IMPLYING I’M EASILY BORED???
    On a brisk walk in rural Warks I reckon I can put a name to 50 wildflowers, 30 trees and 20 birds without slowing down to take out binoculars or a magnifying glass. I can't understand those who feel the need for ear buds or headphones. What on earth are they listening to that's more interesting? The real world is overwhelmingly fascinating.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736

    ohnotnow said:

    That’s absolutely spectacular. A reverse hostile takeover by Salmond. And as we know, he remains a spectacularly popular politician which is why he won so many votes last time out in his local patch…
    I assume Useless will say no and go
    I expect so. And then the SNP will put up someone else. Will Salmond maintain his "only if you do what I tell you" ultimatum? Because if he does, that someone else would also immediately fail.

    Tempted to drive over the hill and lob a thank you card over his gate.
    Scotland like the rest of UK needs elections
    I'm doing more reading. Here is the problem for the SNP:
    1. Yousaf has written a letter of unreal desperation to each party leader. Like this one sent to DRoss: https://twitter.com/PGibbano/status/1784278750760255509
    2. If the Greens vote against, the balance of power is held by Ash Reagan. The greens not only will vote against Yousaf, but will also vote against anyone they dislike, again and again: https://twitter.com/SuzJamieson/status/1784229956907655676
    3. There is a deal on offer from Salmond for Reagan's vote. But at a price (electoral pact with Salmond in charge) they cannot accept without losing SNP members defecting to the Greens or elsewhere

    Yousless has done this. Demolished the deal with the Greens so badly that they will now vote against the SNP unless they get the whip hand. And the only other option is a deal with Alba, with the devil getting the whip hand.

    Unless the Greens or Salmond back down, an election seems inevitable.
    A .SCOT, .UK and .US election in the space of six months or so. Can you imagine the look of tired desperation on the hacks faces come November or so? It's just as well they never cover the rest of the world or they'd be truly knackered.
    Spare a thought for the editor of a political betting site in those circumstances.


    ***Can you handle three massive elections at the same time?***
    I see we're back to the musings of Stepmoms on Pornhub again

    ohnotnow said:

    That’s absolutely spectacular. A reverse hostile takeover by Salmond. And as we know, he remains a spectacularly popular politician which is why he won so many votes last time out in his local patch…
    I assume Useless will say no and go
    I expect so. And then the SNP will put up someone else. Will Salmond maintain his "only if you do what I tell you" ultimatum? Because if he does, that someone else would also immediately fail.

    Tempted to drive over the hill and lob a thank you card over his gate.
    Scotland like the rest of UK needs elections
    I'm doing more reading. Here is the problem for the SNP:
    1. Yousaf has written a letter of unreal desperation to each party leader. Like this one sent to DRoss: https://twitter.com/PGibbano/status/1784278750760255509
    2. If the Greens vote against, the balance of power is held by Ash Reagan. The greens not only will vote against Yousaf, but will also vote against anyone they dislike, again and again: https://twitter.com/SuzJamieson/status/1784229956907655676
    3. There is a deal on offer from Salmond for Reagan's vote. But at a price (electoral pact with Salmond in charge) they cannot accept without losing SNP members defecting to the Greens or elsewhere

    Yousless has done this. Demolished the deal with the Greens so badly that they will now vote against the SNP unless they get the whip hand. And the only other option is a deal with Alba, with the devil getting the whip hand.

    Unless the Greens or Salmond back down, an election seems inevitable.
    A .SCOT, .UK and .US election in the space of six months or so. Can you imagine the look of tired desperation on the hacks faces come November or so? It's just as well they never cover the rest of the world or they'd be truly knackered.
    Spare a thought for the editor of a political betting site in those circumstances.


    ***Can you handle three massive elections at the same time?***
    I see we're back to the musings of Stepmoms on Pornhub again
    Japanese elections?

    Or have i slipped into casual racism

  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,961

    Leon said:

    kyf_100 said:

    Leon said:

    Big day, and I'm rather pleased with myself

    I had a tough start; actually the tough start began last night. Just as I went to bed a bit later than planned, a mass brawl kicked off in the plaza outside

    There was a lot of shouting, smashing and clanging. I glanced out of the window and saw a large crowd of young men throwing bottles, chairs and tables at each other

    I closed all the shutters and just tried to sleep. I got woken a few times by alternating violence and sirens, and there was still shouting outside when my alarm went off at half five

    I put my head under the pillow and fell asleep for another hour, waking up to quiet. Fuck knows what happened, maybe just a normal Friday night in Astorga?

    So I set off rather late, just after eight, feeling less than fully rested

    The weather has been awful most of today; cloudy, cold, windy and wet - and even ten minutes of hail, during which I saw some English graffitti on the back of a road sign

    "Grit your teeth and keep walking"

    I did just that and managed to get just over fifty kilometres walked today, all the way to León

    The weather cheered up. I got a lovely hotel room right in the centre, about three hundred yards from the Cathedral. I dropped my bag in my room and went to see the Cathedral (sadly closed, apparently has rather special stained glass ŵindows)

    Now eating dinner in an excellent Asian restaurant, the top rated place on TripAdvisor, next door to my hotel!


    I have another question. I’m doing a walking holiday for the gazette very soon. It’s in a lovely part of the world but - TBH - I find walking day after day quite dull. And I like walking. But I’m generally happy with a 1-3 hour schlep unless it’s absolutely compelling - like Paris in Decline the other day

    How do you get over that? Do you listen to audiobooks? Do you go into some zen state? Or is is actually quite hard - step after step after step…
    This is the kind of question that I think separates the drug people from the non drug people.

    How do you do a walking holiday? Don't you get bored, just doing the same thing for seven hours on repeat?
    Sorta the same question to, how do you cope with a five hour train journey? Well, you get high before you start (and top up in the bogs mid-journey if you feel it wearing off).
    How do people cope with the supermarket without a xanax to make the crowds bearable? Apparently, normies can do it just fine.
    The mind-numbing tedium of a day job without a dab of speed to make repetitive tasks seem satisfying.
    The idea of taking a stroll along a country lane without a tab of acid to make the whole thing interesting.

    Some people are built to find a seven hour walk from point A to point B interesting. Others, less so.
    ARE YOU IMPLYING I’M EASILY BORED???
    On a brisk walk in rural Warks I reckon I can put a name to 50 wildflowers, 30 trees and 20 birds without slowing down to take out binoculars or a magnifying glass. I can't understand those who feel the need for ear buds or headphones. What on earth are they listening to that's more interesting? The real world is overwhelmingly fascinating.
    Mostly I agree, but sometimes I've listened to podcasts while walking, because I'm really interested in the podcast.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,953
    kyf_100 said:

    Leon said:

    Big day, and I'm rather pleased with myself

    I had a tough start; actually the tough start began last night. Just as I went to bed a bit later than planned, a mass brawl kicked off in the plaza outside

    There was a lot of shouting, smashing and clanging. I glanced out of the window and saw a large crowd of young men throwing bottles, chairs and tables at each other

    I closed all the shutters and just tried to sleep. I got woken a few times by alternating violence and sirens, and there was still shouting outside when my alarm went off at half five

    I put my head under the pillow and fell asleep for another hour, waking up to quiet. Fuck knows what happened, maybe just a normal Friday night in Astorga?

    So I set off rather late, just after eight, feeling less than fully rested

    The weather has been awful most of today; cloudy, cold, windy and wet - and even ten minutes of hail, during which I saw some English graffitti on the back of a road sign

    "Grit your teeth and keep walking"

    I did just that and managed to get just over fifty kilometres walked today, all the way to León

    The weather cheered up. I got a lovely hotel room right in the centre, about three hundred yards from the Cathedral. I dropped my bag in my room and went to see the Cathedral (sadly closed, apparently has rather special stained glass ŵindows)

    Now eating dinner in an excellent Asian restaurant, the top rated place on TripAdvisor, next door to my hotel!


    I have another question. I’m doing a walking holiday for the gazette very soon. It’s in a lovely part of the world but - TBH - I find walking day after day quite dull. And I like walking. But I’m generally happy with a 1-3 hour schlep unless it’s absolutely compelling - like Paris in Decline the other day

    How do you get over that? Do you listen to audiobooks? Do you go into some zen state? Or is is actually quite hard - step after step after step…
    This is the kind of question that I think separates the drug people from the non drug people.

    How do you do a walking holiday? Don't you get bored, just doing the same thing for seven hours on repeat?
    Sorta the same question to, how do you cope with a five hour train journey? Well, you get high before you start (and top up in the bogs mid-journey if you feel it wearing off).
    How do people cope with the supermarket without a xanax to make the crowds bearable? Apparently, normies can do it just fine.
    The mind-numbing tedium of a day job without a dab of speed to make repetitive tasks seem satisfying.
    The idea of taking a stroll along a country lane without a tab of acid to make the whole thing interesting.

    Some people are built to find a seven hour walk from point A to point B interesting. Others, less so.
    I couldn't do it. Try getting a bike. Even then I need a companion otherwise I would get bored.
  • megasaurmegasaur Posts: 586
    Carnyx said:

    megasaur said:

    Have we had this:

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    LAB: 44% (+1)
    CON: 22% (-4)
    RFM: 13% (+2)
    LDM: 9% (=)
    GRN: 6% (-1)
    SNP: 3% (+1)

    Via @wethinkpolling, 25-26 Apr.

    Raynergate rampers please explain.

    Raynergate has never been a story

    Tories are totally desperate.

    Looks like they are going to get a tonking barring some black swan event
    The CGT stuff is indeed a dead duck. What may nail her is if she was getting the 25% single occupant council tax discount when she and her brother were allegedly living there.
    What's that, the fifth iteration?

    Might as wel go straight to her forgetting to feed the school goldfish when she was at primary.
    Wrong. CGT is complicated and boring and doesn't register with most people. Council tax everyone pays and everyone resents welshing on, because welshing puts their own bills up

    I am not saying she deserves it, I am saying what will register with the electorate.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,106
    '@DCBMEP
    Is this more about saving of skins or, as rumoured locally, about allegedly getting into Lords with Starmer when Sunak said no?'
    https://x.com/DCBMEP/status/1784296901413589485
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,477
    megasaur said:

    Carnyx said:

    megasaur said:

    Have we had this:

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    LAB: 44% (+1)
    CON: 22% (-4)
    RFM: 13% (+2)
    LDM: 9% (=)
    GRN: 6% (-1)
    SNP: 3% (+1)

    Via @wethinkpolling, 25-26 Apr.

    Raynergate rampers please explain.

    Raynergate has never been a story

    Tories are totally desperate.

    Looks like they are going to get a tonking barring some black swan event
    The CGT stuff is indeed a dead duck. What may nail her is if she was getting the 25% single occupant council tax discount when she and her brother were allegedly living there.
    What's that, the fifth iteration?

    Might as wel go straight to her forgetting to feed the school goldfish when she was at primary.
    Wrong. CGT is complicated and boring and doesn't register with most people. Council tax everyone pays and everyone resents welshing on, because welshing puts their own bills up

    I am not saying she deserves it, I am saying what will register with the electorate.
    Missing the point. Trying 4-5 times (usually) means there's nothing at all in it in the first place. All they are doing is hoping that she, like most people, hasn't kept every single document from that period.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,982

    Andy_JS said:

    ydoethur said:

    Really? You have a bank near you?
    Good point. This is creepy , though
    Thanks for flagging this up.
    I wish it wasn't happening and needed to be flagged up
    I agree.
  • kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 4,951
    Carnyx said:

    megasaur said:

    Carnyx said:

    megasaur said:

    Have we had this:

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    LAB: 44% (+1)
    CON: 22% (-4)
    RFM: 13% (+2)
    LDM: 9% (=)
    GRN: 6% (-1)
    SNP: 3% (+1)

    Via @wethinkpolling, 25-26 Apr.

    Raynergate rampers please explain.

    Raynergate has never been a story

    Tories are totally desperate.

    Looks like they are going to get a tonking barring some black swan event
    The CGT stuff is indeed a dead duck. What may nail her is if she was getting the 25% single occupant council tax discount when she and her brother were allegedly living there.
    What's that, the fifth iteration?

    Might as wel go straight to her forgetting to feed the school goldfish when she was at primary.
    Wrong. CGT is complicated and boring and doesn't register with most people. Council tax everyone pays and everyone resents welshing on, because welshing puts their own bills up

    I am not saying she deserves it, I am saying what will register with the electorate.
    Missing the point. Trying 4-5 times (usually) means there's nothing at all in it in the first place. All they are doing is hoping that she, like most people, hasn't kept every single document from that period.
    The idea of "kept every document from that era" is also palpably absurd.

    I have had situations where I've been told to procure a bank statement from 2015. "But I switched to digital pdfs in 2014." Reply: "We only accept originals, not photocopied or printed copies". Me: "So what am I supposed to do?"

    Crickets.

    Anyway, it's all incidental.

    Like every other crime, the onus shouldn't be on you to prove your innocent, it should be on the state to prove you're doing something wrong.

    Innocent until proven guilty. A principle we have upheld for generations, which KYC regulations are taking an unlubed dildo up our collective asses to.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,606
    kyf_100 said:

    Leon said:

    kyf_100 said:

    Leon said:

    Big day, and I'm rather pleased with myself

    I had a tough start; actually the tough start began last night. Just as I went to bed a bit later than planned, a mass brawl kicked off in the plaza outside

    There was a lot of shouting, smashing and clanging. I glanced out of the window and saw a large crowd of young men throwing bottles, chairs and tables at each other

    I closed all the shutters and just tried to sleep. I got woken a few times by alternating violence and sirens, and there was still shouting outside when my alarm went off at half five

    I put my head under the pillow and fell asleep for another hour, waking up to quiet. Fuck knows what happened, maybe just a normal Friday night in Astorga?

    So I set off rather late, just after eight, feeling less than fully rested

    The weather has been awful most of today; cloudy, cold, windy and wet - and even ten minutes of hail, during which I saw some English graffitti on the back of a road sign

    "Grit your teeth and keep walking"

    I did just that and managed to get just over fifty kilometres walked today, all the way to León

    The weather cheered up. I got a lovely hotel room right in the centre, about three hundred yards from the Cathedral. I dropped my bag in my room and went to see the Cathedral (sadly closed, apparently has rather special stained glass ŵindows)

    Now eating dinner in an excellent Asian restaurant, the top rated place on TripAdvisor, next door to my hotel!


    I have another question. I’m doing a walking holiday for the gazette very soon. It’s in a lovely part of the world but - TBH - I find walking day after day quite dull. And I like walking. But I’m generally happy with a 1-3 hour schlep unless it’s absolutely compelling - like Paris in Decline the other day

    How do you get over that? Do you listen to audiobooks? Do you go into some zen state? Or is is actually quite hard - step after step after step…
    This is the kind of question that I think separates the drug people from the non drug people.

    How do you do a walking holiday? Don't you get bored, just doing the same thing for seven hours on repeat?
    Sorta the same question to, how do you cope with a five hour train journey? Well, you get high before you start (and top up in the bogs mid-journey if you feel it wearing off).
    How do people cope with the supermarket without a xanax to make the crowds bearable? Apparently, normies can do it just fine.
    The mind-numbing tedium of a day job without a dab of speed to make repetitive tasks seem satisfying.
    The idea of taking a stroll along a country lane without a tab of acid to make the whole thing interesting.

    Some people are built to find a seven hour walk from point A to point B interesting. Others, less so.
    ARE YOU IMPLYING I’M EASILY BORED???
    Possibly the opposite, it's what makes you a good journalist. Being bored by simply walking in a straight line from A to B makes you either think up weird stuff about AI murdering us all or insisting on taking some weird detour down a single lane alley where you end up doing shots of samogon with ex-army paras.

    Being bored is something you can leverage into a marketable life skill of seeking out interesting things (once you get over the "just get drunk/high" phase to numb the boredom)
    Some truth in that
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,146

    George Mann
    @sgfmann
    ·
    23s
    The Sunday Telegraph: Tory rebels on warpath after MP defects to Labour

    #TomorrowsPapersToday
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,691
    edited April 27


    George Mann
    @sgfmann
    ·
    23s
    The Sunday Telegraph: Tory rebels on warpath after MP defects to Labour

    #TomorrowsPapersToday

    They have been for months and there is nothing they can do to change the narrative as Starmer firms up tonight the retired by committing to the triple lock for the full 5 years

    Time for Scottish and Westminster elections
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,146
    Anna Soubry 🖤🤍🇺🇦 🇪🇺 🇬🇧
    @Anna_Soubry
    ·
    41m
    Sorry Femi but I v much disagree. We need Keir Starmer in No 10 with a strong majority to restore competence & decency, providing stability to grow the economy & build a better future for everyone.

    https://twitter.com/Anna_Soubry/status/1784321163428245905
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 36,109
    @camillahmturner

    🚨 EXC: Tory rebels plot ‘100 Days to Save Britain’ including plan to oust Rishi Sunak as leader

    One Tory rebel told The Telegraph: “The reality is that we are facing an extinction-level event.”

    “It’s for colleagues to decide if they want to go down with the sinking ship,” they added.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,691
    Scott_xP said:

    @camillahmturner

    🚨 EXC: Tory rebels plot ‘100 Days to Save Britain’ including plan to oust Rishi Sunak as leader

    One Tory rebel told The Telegraph: “The reality is that we are facing an extinction-level event.”

    “It’s for colleagues to decide if they want to go down with the sinking ship,” they added.

    It's over and this is not new news

    Time for elections
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,483
    Andy_JS said:
    Possible that he had an arrangement with the whips.

    Same goes for TMexPM, who also didn't vote on the Rwanda bill.

    (303 Conservatives voted for, 172 Labour against. So there was clearly some pairing, but that doesn't look like the full story.)
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 29,000
    Scott_xP said:

    @camillahmturner

    🚨 EXC: Tory rebels plot ‘100 Days to Save Britain’ including plan to oust Rishi Sunak as leader

    One Tory rebel told The Telegraph: “The reality is that we are facing an extinction-level event.”

    “It’s for colleagues to decide if they want to go down with the sinking ship,” they added.

    *cough* 100 days? So a mid-August election?
  • DonkeysDonkeys Posts: 723
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  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,486
    Scott_xP said:

    @camillahmturner

    🚨 EXC: Tory rebels plot ‘100 Days to Save Britain’ including plan to oust Rishi Sunak as leader

    One Tory rebel told The Telegraph: “The reality is that we are facing an extinction-level event.”

    “It’s for colleagues to decide if they want to go down with the sinking ship,” they added.

    It is interesting that "saving Britain" seems to be entirely concomitant with saving the Conservative and Unionist Party.
    Patriots my arse.
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,277
    Starmer pledges to keep the triple lock pension for 5 years . The front page of the DE . The world is turning on its axis when they give a positive front page for Labour.

  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,486

    On the Irish news this evening a story about shortages in hundreds of different prescription drugs, mirroring stories that have existed for some time in Britain.

    What's going on? I would have expected the market to react to these shortages and increase supply. Why isn't that happening?

    Perhaps the magic of the invisible hand has always been a mirage to the credulous?
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,700
    nico679 said:

    Starmer pledges to keep the triple lock pension for 5 years . The front page of the DE . The world is turning on its axis when they give a positive front page for Labour.

    Bloody pensioners! Will no one think of the working man? My father is approaching more time as a retired policeman than he actually served (28 years vs 30). He has no need of the damned triple lock.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,173

    Have we had this:

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    LAB: 44% (+1)
    CON: 22% (-4)
    RFM: 13% (+2)
    LDM: 9% (=)
    GRN: 6% (-1)
    SNP: 3% (+1)

    Via @wethinkpolling, 25-26 Apr.

    Raynergate rampers please explain.

    Broken, sleazy Tories and Greens on the slide!
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,486

    Scott_xP said:

    @camillahmturner

    🚨 EXC: Tory rebels plot ‘100 Days to Save Britain’ including plan to oust Rishi Sunak as leader

    One Tory rebel told The Telegraph: “The reality is that we are facing an extinction-level event.”

    “It’s for colleagues to decide if they want to go down with the sinking ship,” they added.

    It's over and this is not new news

    Time for elections
    Several utterly wasted months, while CCHQ initiated a series of cunning plans which have faceplanted, too late.
    Enough.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,486
    See. The thing is. We are 9 months maximum from a Labour government.
    Everyone knows that.
    So why not now?
    Greed, graft and entitlement.
    Any true patriot would bow to the settled will of the electorate.
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,277

    nico679 said:

    Starmer pledges to keep the triple lock pension for 5 years . The front page of the DE . The world is turning on its axis when they give a positive front page for Labour.

    Bloody pensioners! Will no one think of the working man? My father is approaching more time as a retired policeman than he actually served (28 years vs 30). He has no need of the damned triple lock.
    The country can’t afford it but it’s now impossible for any party to drop it unless it was a cross party agreement .

  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 5,068
    Good evening all. On holiday in Northern Ireland, so I suppose I shouldn’t have been surprised to have been stuck behind an Orange Walk. In a country lane. In April. However, a few thoughts.

    Well done Dan Poulter. Someone with a conscience, which makes him unsuited to being a member of the current Tory party.

    Any SNP MSPs that vote for the VONC against Humza Yousaf if he accepts Alba’s offers (I understand there are some) are quisling traitor knaves who should just join the Greens. Whatever happens, Yousaf is toast.

    If the Tories vote for Sarwar’s VONC against the Scottish Government do they realise they will no longer be the official opposition in the event of a Holyrood election. Do they realise it will be another nail in the Tory coffin at the GE as they demonstrate their political incompetence?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,106
    Scott_xP said:

    @camillahmturner

    🚨 EXC: Tory rebels plot ‘100 Days to Save Britain’ including plan to oust Rishi Sunak as leader

    One Tory rebel told The Telegraph: “The reality is that we are facing an extinction-level event.”

    “It’s for colleagues to decide if they want to go down with the sinking ship,” they added.

    Except they don't have the numbers with MPs to remove him and there is no credible alternative in Parliament who would make much difference now.

    Better off uniting behind Rishi, getting inflation down and immigration under control with the new Visa salary cap and Rwanda agreement
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 5,068

    Have we had this:

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    LAB: 44% (+1)
    CON: 22% (-4)
    RFM: 13% (+2)
    LDM: 9% (=)
    GRN: 6% (-1)
    SNP: 3% (+1)

    Via @wethinkpolling, 25-26 Apr.

    Raynergate rampers please explain.

    Broken, sleazy Tories and Greens on the slide!
    50% increase in SNP support as a result of dumping the Greens.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,486
    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @camillahmturner

    🚨 EXC: Tory rebels plot ‘100 Days to Save Britain’ including plan to oust Rishi Sunak as leader

    One Tory rebel told The Telegraph: “The reality is that we are facing an extinction-level event.”

    “It’s for colleagues to decide if they want to go down with the sinking ship,” they added.

    Except they don't have the numbers with MPs to remove him and there is no credible alternative in Parliament who would make much difference now.

    Better off uniting behind Rishi, getting inflation down and immigration under control with the new Visa salary cap and Rwanda agreement
    And eight more months of talking about shit nobody is really bothered about much.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,239

    On the Irish news this evening a story about shortages in hundreds of different prescription drugs, mirroring stories that have existed for some time in Britain.

    What's going on? I would have expected the market to react to these shortages and increase supply. Why isn't that happening?

    Global supply chains are fucked.

    It takes years to setup and certify a new pharmaceutical production plant.

    Did you know that as part of The War On Drugs, production of certain medicines in the US is capped by the FDA. So you can’t make more. By law.

    There are many layers to the fun. But it come down to this - simply making more medicine is close to impossible in the short term. Verboten.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 4,069
    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @camillahmturner

    🚨 EXC: Tory rebels plot ‘100 Days to Save Britain’ including plan to oust Rishi Sunak as leader

    One Tory rebel told The Telegraph: “The reality is that we are facing an extinction-level event.”

    “It’s for colleagues to decide if they want to go down with the sinking ship,” they added.

    Except they don't have the numbers with MPs to remove him and there is no credible alternative in Parliament who would make much difference now.

    Better off uniting behind Rishi, getting inflation down and immigration under control with the new Visa salary cap and Rwanda agreement
    ... Or.... bring Liz back and we can have pork markets and possibly blue cheese? Or... something?

    Nutters gonna nutter.
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,277
    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @camillahmturner

    🚨 EXC: Tory rebels plot ‘100 Days to Save Britain’ including plan to oust Rishi Sunak as leader

    One Tory rebel told The Telegraph: “The reality is that we are facing an extinction-level event.”

    “It’s for colleagues to decide if they want to go down with the sinking ship,” they added.

    Except they don't have the numbers with MPs to remove him and there is no credible alternative in Parliament who would make much difference now.

    Better off uniting behind Rishi, getting inflation down and immigration under control with the new Visa salary cap and Rwanda agreement
    I would have agreed with that a few weeks ago but I think if the council elections are worse than the current spin then I expect the letters to fly in .

    I think Sunak has lost the room . People aren’t interested in what he has to say .
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 4,069
    dixiedean said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @camillahmturner

    🚨 EXC: Tory rebels plot ‘100 Days to Save Britain’ including plan to oust Rishi Sunak as leader

    One Tory rebel told The Telegraph: “The reality is that we are facing an extinction-level event.”

    “It’s for colleagues to decide if they want to go down with the sinking ship,” they added.

    It's over and this is not new news

    Time for elections
    Several utterly wasted months, while CCHQ initiated a series of cunning plans which have faceplanted, too late.
    Enough.
    It'll be the making of a few SPADs though. So country be damned. Those student loans don't just pay themselves off. Got to earn a few quid until you can make it to cabinet and bring home the big bucks.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,486
    edited April 27
    The funding for the education of a special needs child was fixed at £10k in 2010.
    It remains that. No triple lock. It has not been increased in line with inflation. It's the same. That says everything about why this lot need ousting.
    Crocodile tears about the pandemics effect on kids not withstanding.
    They don't give a fuck.
  • MightyAlexMightyAlex Posts: 1,692
    edited April 27

    On the Irish news this evening a story about shortages in hundreds of different prescription drugs, mirroring stories that have existed for some time in Britain.

    What's going on? I would have expected the market to react to these shortages and increase supply. Why isn't that happening?

    Global supply chains are fucked.

    It takes years to setup and certify a new pharmaceutical production plant.

    Did you know that as part of The War On Drugs, production of certain medicines in the US is capped by the FDA. So you can’t make more. By law.

    There are many layers to the fun. But it come down to this - simply making more medicine is close to impossible in the short term. Verboten.
    'We' outsourced our generics production as it was cheaper. Most the small molecule production plants are in India or China.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,982
    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @camillahmturner

    🚨 EXC: Tory rebels plot ‘100 Days to Save Britain’ including plan to oust Rishi Sunak as leader

    One Tory rebel told The Telegraph: “The reality is that we are facing an extinction-level event.”

    “It’s for colleagues to decide if they want to go down with the sinking ship,” they added.

    Except they don't have the numbers with MPs to remove him and there is no credible alternative in Parliament who would make much difference now.

    Better off uniting behind Rishi, getting inflation down and immigration under control with the new Visa salary cap and Rwanda agreement
    I think the Tories could get a significant boost if they win one or two of these close mayoral elections.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,597
    dixiedean said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @camillahmturner

    🚨 EXC: Tory rebels plot ‘100 Days to Save Britain’ including plan to oust Rishi Sunak as leader

    One Tory rebel told The Telegraph: “The reality is that we are facing an extinction-level event.”

    “It’s for colleagues to decide if they want to go down with the sinking ship,” they added.

    It is interesting that "saving Britain" seems to be entirely concomitant with saving the Conservative and Unionist Party.
    Patriots my arse.
    All political parties to some extent equate their own interests and success with that of the country, at least after an extended period of government when they start to interpret the prospect of losing as calamitous for everyone, not just them.

    I almost but do not quite feel for these rebels - they correctly identify they are facing a potential extinction level event as things stand, and so naturally they want to do something about it. Unfortunately the only option they have has about the same chance for that extinction level event to occur, so in convincing others to throw the dice it's not easy. And the very fact of talking about it increasing the chances of the extinction level event happening, since everyone knows how divided they are all.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,597
    Andy_JS said:

    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @camillahmturner

    🚨 EXC: Tory rebels plot ‘100 Days to Save Britain’ including plan to oust Rishi Sunak as leader

    One Tory rebel told The Telegraph: “The reality is that we are facing an extinction-level event.”

    “It’s for colleagues to decide if they want to go down with the sinking ship,” they added.

    Except they don't have the numbers with MPs to remove him and there is no credible alternative in Parliament who would make much difference now.

    Better off uniting behind Rishi, getting inflation down and immigration under control with the new Visa salary cap and Rwanda agreement
    I think the Tories could get a significant boost if they win one or two of these close mayoral elections.
    Never had you down as one of life's optimists.

    Trust me, voters in the southern Blue Wall won't give a hoot if Lord Houchen retains his mayoralty and think 'You know, not all is lost, and Labour are dangerous, and Farage is not that great, I should stick with Rishi' ig they weren't already thinking it.
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,145
    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @camillahmturner

    🚨 EXC: Tory rebels plot ‘100 Days to Save Britain’ including plan to oust Rishi Sunak as leader

    One Tory rebel told The Telegraph: “The reality is that we are facing an extinction-level event.”

    “It’s for colleagues to decide if they want to go down with the sinking ship,” they added.

    Except they don't have the numbers with MPs to remove him and there is no credible alternative in Parliament who would make much difference now.

    Better off uniting behind Rishi, getting inflation down and immigration under control with the new Visa salary cap and Rwanda agreement
    Rishi will be gone by end of May. After catastrophic results next Thursday....
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,277
    Andy_JS said:

    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @camillahmturner

    🚨 EXC: Tory rebels plot ‘100 Days to Save Britain’ including plan to oust Rishi Sunak as leader

    One Tory rebel told The Telegraph: “The reality is that we are facing an extinction-level event.”

    “It’s for colleagues to decide if they want to go down with the sinking ship,” they added.

    Except they don't have the numbers with MPs to remove him and there is no credible alternative in Parliament who would make much difference now.

    Better off uniting behind Rishi, getting inflation down and immigration under control with the new Visa salary cap and Rwanda agreement
    I think the Tories could get a significant boost if they win one or two of these close mayoral elections.
    At this point if you’re Labour you’d prefer Sunak to remain PM. So that might not be a bad thing .

    Unless the Tory stooge in Manchester decides to interfere in the elections by charging Rayner next week then the combination of the rail announcement , the triple lock pledge and the Poulter defection could see the Tories implode on Thursday .
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,597
    edited April 27
    Mortimer said:

    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @camillahmturner

    🚨 EXC: Tory rebels plot ‘100 Days to Save Britain’ including plan to oust Rishi Sunak as leader

    One Tory rebel told The Telegraph: “The reality is that we are facing an extinction-level event.”

    “It’s for colleagues to decide if they want to go down with the sinking ship,” they added.

    Except they don't have the numbers with MPs to remove him and there is no credible alternative in Parliament who would make much difference now.

    Better off uniting behind Rishi, getting inflation down and immigration under control with the new Visa salary cap and Rwanda agreement
    Rishi will be gone by end of May. After catastrophic results next Thursday....
    If so then they should go for Truss, May, or (don't laugh) Cameron - who else in Parliament would want to be Prime Minister for only 5-6 months max, or putting Truss's record at risk? The latter two won't be PM after an election anyway, so can be a stopgap.
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,277
    edited April 27
    The problem for Sunak is timing .

    The next inflation figures and ONS immigration update come several weeks after the elections . That might have given him a boost but I get the feeling that a section of the Tories are in full panic mode and might flood Brady’s inbox well before then .
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,484
    Scott_xP said:

    @camillahmturner

    🚨 EXC: Tory rebels plot ‘100 Days to Save Britain’ including plan to oust Rishi Sunak as leader

    One Tory rebel told The Telegraph: “The reality is that we are facing an extinction-level event.”

    “It’s for colleagues to decide if they want to go down with the sinking ship,” they added.

    100 Days to Save Britain? Optimistic.

    Even Liz Truss recognised that it would take Ten Years to Save the West.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,597
    dixiedean said:

    See. The thing is. We are 9 months maximum from a Labour government.
    Everyone knows that.
    So why not now?
    Greed, graft and entitlement.
    Any true patriot would bow to the settled will of the electorate.

    It's not settled until there's an election. It's obvious, but they can live in denial so long as the moment is put off, and they aren't technically defying anything until that moment. They can do the 'oppositions often lead part way through and don't win, so polling leads don't mean you should change government' thing, even though this kind of lead is different.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,235
    Scott_xP said:

    @camillahmturner

    🚨 EXC: Tory rebels plot ‘100 Days to Save Britain’ including plan to oust Rishi Sunak as leader

    One Tory rebel told The Telegraph: “The reality is that we are facing an extinction-level event.”

    “It’s for colleagues to decide if they want to go down with the sinking ship,” they added.

    An interesting poll from BMG suggests that it's dangerous to switch. Changing leader to recapture the lost Con 2019 voters risks annoying the current Conservatives

    https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/sunak-braverman-johnson-tory-voters-3027889

  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 29,000
    Andy_JS said:

    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @camillahmturner

    🚨 EXC: Tory rebels plot ‘100 Days to Save Britain’ including plan to oust Rishi Sunak as leader

    One Tory rebel told The Telegraph: “The reality is that we are facing an extinction-level event.”

    “It’s for colleagues to decide if they want to go down with the sinking ship,” they added.

    Except they don't have the numbers with MPs to remove him and there is no credible alternative in Parliament who would make much difference now.

    Better off uniting behind Rishi, getting inflation down and immigration under control with the new Visa salary cap and Rwanda agreement
    I think the Tories could get a significant boost if they win one or two of these close mayoral elections.
    Yep. The country looks and feels fucked. My mortgage has gone shooting up and I can't see a GP. But that dormant lying bastard the Lord Houchen of Teesport just about clung on in that place I don't know where it is on the map so I think I'll vote Tory after all...
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,691
    edited April 27
    Foxy said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @camillahmturner

    🚨 EXC: Tory rebels plot ‘100 Days to Save Britain’ including plan to oust Rishi Sunak as leader

    One Tory rebel told The Telegraph: “The reality is that we are facing an extinction-level event.”

    “It’s for colleagues to decide if they want to go down with the sinking ship,” they added.

    An interesting poll from BMG suggests that it's dangerous to switch. Changing leader to recapture the lost Con 2019 voters risks annoying the current Conservatives

    https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/sunak-braverman-johnson-tory-voters-3027889

    There is simply nothing they can do other than accept they have managed to spectacularly implode into riven factions and are heading for certain defeat as there is nobody out there that can save them
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,936
    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @camillahmturner

    🚨 EXC: Tory rebels plot ‘100 Days to Save Britain’ including plan to oust Rishi Sunak as leader

    One Tory rebel told The Telegraph: “The reality is that we are facing an extinction-level event.”

    “It’s for colleagues to decide if they want to go down with the sinking ship,” they added.

    Except they don't have the numbers with MPs to remove him and there is no credible alternative in Parliament who would make much difference now.

    Better off uniting behind Rishi, getting inflation down and immigration under control with the new Visa salary cap and Rwanda agreement
    Hopefully a enough Tory MPs have more political nous than you. They could hardly have less.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,691
    Pro_Rata said:

    I wonder, with the new wave of SNP and Tory meltdowns, whether anyone on these pages had ever commented on how lucky a general SKS is?

    He is lucky, but whether he and the country will think that after a year or two in office is open for debate
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,961
    Pro_Rata said:

    I wonder, with the new wave of SNP and Tory meltdowns, whether anyone on these pages has ever commented on how lucky a general SKS is?

    Has there ever been a luckier opposition politician in any country?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,982
    "Rishi Sunak says migrants going to Ireland shows Rwanda scheme is working as a deterrent

    Ireland's deputy prime minister has said migrants who arrived in the UK on small boats are crossing from Northern Ireland to the Republic. Speaking to Sky's Trevor Phillips, Rishi Sunak says that it shows the deterrent is working.

    https://news.sky.com/story/rishi-sunak-says-migrants-going-to-ireland-shows-rwanda-scheme-is-working-as-a-deterrent-13123815
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,936

    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @camillahmturner

    🚨 EXC: Tory rebels plot ‘100 Days to Save Britain’ including plan to oust Rishi Sunak as leader

    One Tory rebel told The Telegraph: “The reality is that we are facing an extinction-level event.”

    “It’s for colleagues to decide if they want to go down with the sinking ship,” they added.

    Except they don't have the numbers with MPs to remove him and there is no credible alternative in Parliament who would make much difference now.

    Better off uniting behind Rishi, getting inflation down and immigration under control with the new Visa salary cap and Rwanda agreement
    Hopefully a enough Tory MPs have more political nous than you. They could hardly have less.
    To be fair @HYUFD has been pretty much spot on with his analysis of the conservative party recently whereas the Johnson Truss Braverman supporters are in denial just how objectional they are to the electorate
    Both you and Hyufd (and a few other numpties who it's kinder not to name) assured everyone that it was vital to get Sunak into number 10 to save the Tories and win the next election (lol). When it became clear the polls were going in the wrong direction, it was about keeping Sunak to 'stave off a bad defeat'. Then it was, 'It's going to be a really bad defeat, but it would have been a worse one without Sunak.'. Now it's 'it's too late to change leader and hardly anyone polls any better'.

    I wouldn't mind, but some of us said how utterly useless he was from day dot, and the Tory members could see in the hustings that he had less charisma and communication ability than Truss, which is saying something.

    And still there isn't an ounce of humility from the Sunak-rampers.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,433
    Andy_JS said:

    "Rishi Sunak says migrants going to Ireland shows Rwanda scheme is working as a deterrent

    Ireland's deputy prime minister has said migrants who arrived in the UK on small boats are crossing from Northern Ireland to the Republic. Speaking to Sky's Trevor Phillips, Rishi Sunak says that it shows the deterrent is working.

    https://news.sky.com/story/rishi-sunak-says-migrants-going-to-ireland-shows-rwanda-scheme-is-working-as-a-deterrent-13123815

    I'm not sure about this. How did they get to NI? Are they being transported by the UK from their landing place (English south coast) to NI? Why are they going from NI to RoI? NI's not that bad.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,597

    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @camillahmturner

    🚨 EXC: Tory rebels plot ‘100 Days to Save Britain’ including plan to oust Rishi Sunak as leader

    One Tory rebel told The Telegraph: “The reality is that we are facing an extinction-level event.”

    “It’s for colleagues to decide if they want to go down with the sinking ship,” they added.

    Except they don't have the numbers with MPs to remove him and there is no credible alternative in Parliament who would make much difference now.

    Better off uniting behind Rishi, getting inflation down and immigration under control with the new Visa salary cap and Rwanda agreement
    Hopefully a enough Tory MPs have more political nous than you. They could hardly have less.
    To be fair @HYUFD has been pretty much spot on with his analysis of the conservative party recently whereas the Johnson Truss Braverman supporters are in denial just how objectional they are to the electorate
    Both you and Hyufd (and a few other numpties who it's kinder not to name) assured everyone that it was vital to get Sunak into number 10 to save the Tories and win the next election (lol). When it became clear the polls were going in the wrong direction, it was about keeping Sunak to 'stave off a bad defeat'. Then it was, 'It's going to be a really bad defeat, but it would have been a worse one without Sunak.'. Now it's 'it's too late to change leader and hardly anyone polls any better'.

    I wouldn't mind, but some of us said how utterly useless he was from day dot, and the Tory members could see in the hustings that he had less charisma and communication ability than Truss, which is saying something.

    And still there isn't an ounce of humility from the Sunak-rampers.
    I think quite a few people have said Sunak has surprised them on the downside.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,691

    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @camillahmturner

    🚨 EXC: Tory rebels plot ‘100 Days to Save Britain’ including plan to oust Rishi Sunak as leader

    One Tory rebel told The Telegraph: “The reality is that we are facing an extinction-level event.”

    “It’s for colleagues to decide if they want to go down with the sinking ship,” they added.

    Except they don't have the numbers with MPs to remove him and there is no credible alternative in Parliament who would make much difference now.

    Better off uniting behind Rishi, getting inflation down and immigration under control with the new Visa salary cap and Rwanda agreement
    Hopefully a enough Tory MPs have more political nous than you. They could hardly have less.
    To be fair @HYUFD has been pretty much spot on with his analysis of the conservative party recently whereas the Johnson Truss Braverman supporters are in denial just how objectional they are to the electorate
    Both you and Hyufd (and a few other numpties who it's kinder not to name) assured everyone that it was vital to get Sunak into number 10 to save the Tories and win the next election (lol). When it became clear the polls were going in the wrong direction, it was about keeping Sunak to 'stave off a bad defeat'. Then it was, 'It's going to be a really bad defeat, but it would have been a worse one without Sunak.'. Now it's 'it's too late to change leader and hardly anyone polls any better'.

    I wouldn't mind, but some of us said how utterly useless he was from day dot, and the Tory members could see in the hustings that he had less charisma and communication ability than Truss, which is saying something.

    And still there isn't an ounce of humility from the Sunak-rampers.
    The humility should be from the Johnson Truss rampers who destroyed the credibility of the conservative party and I expect @HYUFD has done far more for his party then many others
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 3,043
    Are Gazans beginning to think more rationally? Perhaps:

    "More than six months into the war in Gaza and with dimming hopes for a cease-fire deal, Palestinians there are growing more critical of Hamas, which some of them blame for the months-long conflict that has destroyed the territory — and their lives.
    . . .
    But while the majority of Palestinians in Gaza blame Israel for their suffering, according to polling conducted in March, they also appear to be turning their ire toward the militants. In interviews with more than a dozen residents of Gaza, people said they resent Hamas for the attacks in Israel and — war-weary and desperate to fulfill their basic needs — just want to see peace as soon as possible."
    source$: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/04/27/gaza-hamas-public-support-israel/

    About 100,000 Gazans, according to another source, have left the strip.

    (One of the lessons that still needs to be learned by much of the world is that terrorist attacks almost always make life worse for those who support the terrorists.)
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,691
    viewcode said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Rishi Sunak says migrants going to Ireland shows Rwanda scheme is working as a deterrent

    Ireland's deputy prime minister has said migrants who arrived in the UK on small boats are crossing from Northern Ireland to the Republic. Speaking to Sky's Trevor Phillips, Rishi Sunak says that it shows the deterrent is working.

    https://news.sky.com/story/rishi-sunak-says-migrants-going-to-ireland-shows-rwanda-scheme-is-working-as-a-deterrent-13123815

    I'm not sure about this. How did they get to NI? Are they being transported by the UK from their landing place (English south coast) to NI? Why are they going from NI to RoI? NI's not that bad.
    I am concerned by this development as it does raise the question that a route from Dover to Liverpool opens up and then direct access to the English speaking Ireland and the EU

    The deputy PM of Ireland was extremely worried and I expect this could see a summit of Irish - UK - French and EU countries coming together to address the boat crossings

    If this happens then Rwanda will have served as a deterrent for the UK but made it much worse for others

    Time will tell
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,580
    Andy_JS said:

    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @camillahmturner

    🚨 EXC: Tory rebels plot ‘100 Days to Save Britain’ including plan to oust Rishi Sunak as leader

    One Tory rebel told The Telegraph: “The reality is that we are facing an extinction-level event.”

    “It’s for colleagues to decide if they want to go down with the sinking ship,” they added.

    Except they don't have the numbers with MPs to remove him and there is no credible alternative in Parliament who would make much difference now.

    Better off uniting behind Rishi, getting inflation down and immigration under control with the new Visa salary cap and Rwanda agreement
    I think the Tories could get a significant boost if they win one or two of these close mayoral elections.
    I don’t think average voters outside those mayoral regions are going to take that much notice of such an event. We will and I think such a result will be telling, if it happens, but it will be important as a predictor of events, not as a cause of events.

    Also, what happens if they lose both, which seems just as likely on current polling? What does that do for party morale?
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,580
    Andy_JS said:

    "Rishi Sunak says migrants going to Ireland shows Rwanda scheme is working as a deterrent

    Ireland's deputy prime minister has said migrants who arrived in the UK on small boats are crossing from Northern Ireland to the Republic. Speaking to Sky's Trevor Phillips, Rishi Sunak says that it shows the deterrent is working.

    https://news.sky.com/story/rishi-sunak-says-migrants-going-to-ireland-shows-rwanda-scheme-is-working-as-a-deterrent-13123815

    It serves the purposes of both politicians to say that, but where’s the evidence? Asylum seekers going on to Ireland has always happened. Let’s see a graph of numbers before believing there’s been a change.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,982
    More on this.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68914399

    "Rwanda plan: Irish government wants to send asylum seekers back to UK

    The UK government's Rwanda plan seeks to deter people from crossing the English Channel in small boats
    The Taoiseach (Irish prime minister) Simon Harris has asked Ireland's justice minister to bring legislation to cabinet to enable asylum seekers to be sent back to the UK.

    Helen McEntee has revealed that 80% of recent arrivals to the Republic came from the UK across the Irish border.

    Tánaiste (deputy prime minister) Micheál Martin said the UK's Rwanda policy was already impacting Ireland."

  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,580

    Are Gazans beginning to think more rationally? Perhaps:

    "More than six months into the war in Gaza and with dimming hopes for a cease-fire deal, Palestinians there are growing more critical of Hamas, which some of them blame for the months-long conflict that has destroyed the territory — and their lives.
    . . .
    But while the majority of Palestinians in Gaza blame Israel for their suffering, according to polling conducted in March, they also appear to be turning their ire toward the militants. In interviews with more than a dozen residents of Gaza, people said they resent Hamas for the attacks in Israel and — war-weary and desperate to fulfill their basic needs — just want to see peace as soon as possible."
    source$: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/04/27/gaza-hamas-public-support-israel/

    About 100,000 Gazans, according to another source, have left the strip.

    (One of the lessons that still needs to be learned by much of the world is that terrorist attacks almost always make life worse for those who support the terrorists.)

    Sadly, terrorism is often successful… or at least is seen to be on the winning side, from the IRA in Northern Ireland to Irgun in Israel.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,691

    Andy_JS said:

    "Rishi Sunak says migrants going to Ireland shows Rwanda scheme is working as a deterrent

    Ireland's deputy prime minister has said migrants who arrived in the UK on small boats are crossing from Northern Ireland to the Republic. Speaking to Sky's Trevor Phillips, Rishi Sunak says that it shows the deterrent is working.

    https://news.sky.com/story/rishi-sunak-says-migrants-going-to-ireland-shows-rwanda-scheme-is-working-as-a-deterrent-13123815

    It serves the purposes of both politicians to say that, but where’s the evidence? Asylum seekers going on to Ireland has always happened. Let’s see a graph of numbers before believing there’s been a change.
    I did listen to the Irish deputy and he was adamant that there has been an influx of asylum seekers, mainly Nigerian, through NI and it is they who are giving Rwanda as their reason

    This is one to watch and is very much covered by Sky news
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,936
    Andy_JS said:

    More on this.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68914399

    "Rwanda plan: Irish government wants to send asylum seekers back to UK

    The UK government's Rwanda plan seeks to deter people from crossing the English Channel in small boats
    The Taoiseach (Irish prime minister) Simon Harris has asked Ireland's justice minister to bring legislation to cabinet to enable asylum seekers to be sent back to the UK.

    Helen McEntee has revealed that 80% of recent arrivals to the Republic came from the UK across the Irish border.

    Tánaiste (deputy prime minister) Micheál Martin said the UK's Rwanda policy was already impacting Ireland."

    I had it on very good authority that Rwanda was not going to be any kind of deterrent.
  • DonkeysDonkeys Posts: 723
    edited April 27

    Are Gazans beginning to think more rationally? Perhaps:

    "More than six months into the war in Gaza and with dimming hopes for a cease-fire deal, Palestinians there are growing more critical of Hamas, which some of them blame for the months-long conflict that has destroyed the territory — and their lives.
    . . .
    But while the majority of Palestinians in Gaza blame Israel for their suffering, according to polling conducted in March, they also appear to be turning their ire toward the militants. In interviews with more than a dozen residents of Gaza, people said they resent Hamas for the attacks in Israel and — war-weary and desperate to fulfill their basic needs — just want to see peace as soon as possible."
    source$: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/04/27/gaza-hamas-public-support-israel/

    About 100,000 Gazans, according to another source, have left the strip.

    (One of the lessons that still needs to be learned by much of the world is that terrorist attacks almost always make life worse for those who support the terrorists.)

    That's what all occupation regimes say. Typically they don't say the resistance is legitimate. What armed resistance to occupation is not called "terrorist" by the occupiers?

    One of the main reasons for the support for Hamas is they provide financial support for widows and orphans and the families of prisoners.

    The figure of 100,000 for those who have bought their way out to Egypt, which is pretty much the only way any Palestinians have fled Gaza, is absurd.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,936

    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @camillahmturner

    🚨 EXC: Tory rebels plot ‘100 Days to Save Britain’ including plan to oust Rishi Sunak as leader

    One Tory rebel told The Telegraph: “The reality is that we are facing an extinction-level event.”

    “It’s for colleagues to decide if they want to go down with the sinking ship,” they added.

    Except they don't have the numbers with MPs to remove him and there is no credible alternative in Parliament who would make much difference now.

    Better off uniting behind Rishi, getting inflation down and immigration under control with the new Visa salary cap and Rwanda agreement
    Hopefully a enough Tory MPs have more political nous than you. They could hardly have less.
    To be fair @HYUFD has been pretty much spot on with his analysis of the conservative party recently whereas the Johnson Truss Braverman supporters are in denial just how objectional they are to the electorate
    Both you and Hyufd (and a few other numpties who it's kinder not to name) assured everyone that it was vital to get Sunak into number 10 to save the Tories and win the next election (lol). When it became clear the polls were going in the wrong direction, it was about keeping Sunak to 'stave off a bad defeat'. Then it was, 'It's going to be a really bad defeat, but it would have been a worse one without Sunak.'. Now it's 'it's too late to change leader and hardly anyone polls any better'.

    I wouldn't mind, but some of us said how utterly useless he was from day dot, and the Tory members could see in the hustings that he had less charisma and communication ability than Truss, which is saying something.

    And still there isn't an ounce of humility from the Sunak-rampers.
    The humility should be from the Johnson Truss rampers who destroyed the credibility of the conservative party and I expect @HYUFD has done far more for his party then many others
    That would be the Johnson who was (checks notes) 4 points behind in the polls when he was defenestrated?
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,580

    Andy_JS said:

    "Rishi Sunak says migrants going to Ireland shows Rwanda scheme is working as a deterrent

    Ireland's deputy prime minister has said migrants who arrived in the UK on small boats are crossing from Northern Ireland to the Republic. Speaking to Sky's Trevor Phillips, Rishi Sunak says that it shows the deterrent is working.

    https://news.sky.com/story/rishi-sunak-says-migrants-going-to-ireland-shows-rwanda-scheme-is-working-as-a-deterrent-13123815

    It serves the purposes of both politicians to say that, but where’s the evidence? Asylum seekers going on to Ireland has always happened. Let’s see a graph of numbers before believing there’s been a change.
    I did listen to the Irish deputy and he was adamant that there has been an influx of asylum seekers, mainly Nigerian, through NI and it is they who are giving Rwanda as their reason

    This is one to watch and is very much covered by Sky news
    Irish government politicians are keen to be seen to be tough on so-called illegal immigration. Their comments are about as accurate as our government politicians’. That is, not at all.
  • DonkeysDonkeys Posts: 723
    edited April 27
    Andy_JS said:

    More on this.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68914399

    "Rwanda plan: Irish government wants to send asylum seekers back to UK

    The UK government's Rwanda plan seeks to deter people from crossing the English Channel in small boats
    The Taoiseach (Irish prime minister) Simon Harris has asked Ireland's justice minister to bring legislation to cabinet to enable asylum seekers to be sent back to the UK.

    Helen McEntee has revealed that 80% of recent arrivals to the Republic came from the UK across the Irish border.

    Tánaiste (deputy prime minister) Micheál Martin said the UK's Rwanda policy was already impacting Ireland."

    But is Britain a safe country for the migrants from an Irish legal point of view if they will (or may) be put on planes and flown to Rwanda?
  • DonkeysDonkeys Posts: 723

    Andy_JS said:

    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @camillahmturner

    🚨 EXC: Tory rebels plot ‘100 Days to Save Britain’ including plan to oust Rishi Sunak as leader

    One Tory rebel told The Telegraph: “The reality is that we are facing an extinction-level event.”

    “It’s for colleagues to decide if they want to go down with the sinking ship,” they added.

    Except they don't have the numbers with MPs to remove him and there is no credible alternative in Parliament who would make much difference now.

    Better off uniting behind Rishi, getting inflation down and immigration under control with the new Visa salary cap and Rwanda agreement
    I think the Tories could get a significant boost if they win one or two of these close mayoral elections.
    Yep. The country looks and feels fucked. My mortgage has gone shooting up and I can't see a GP. But that dormant lying bastard the Lord Houchen of Teesport just about clung on in that place I don't know where it is on the map so I think I'll vote Tory after all...
    "Surprise Tory Victories" on most of the front pages will change some minds.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,885
    Donkeys said:

    Andy_JS said:

    More on this.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68914399

    "Rwanda plan: Irish government wants to send asylum seekers back to UK

    The UK government's Rwanda plan seeks to deter people from crossing the English Channel in small boats
    The Taoiseach (Irish prime minister) Simon Harris has asked Ireland's justice minister to bring legislation to cabinet to enable asylum seekers to be sent back to the UK.

    Helen McEntee has revealed that 80% of recent arrivals to the Republic came from the UK across the Irish border.

    Tánaiste (deputy prime minister) Micheál Martin said the UK's Rwanda policy was already impacting Ireland."

    But is Britain a safe country for the migrants from an Irish legal point of view if they will (or may) be put on planes and flown to Rwanda?
    Ireland is going to........legislate that Britain is safe:

    https://www.rte.ie/news/2024/0427/1446053-sunak-rwanda/

    Breaking international law, far right, pariah state etc etc etc.
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