UK government lawyers say Israel is breaking international law, claims top Tory in leaked recording
Ex-Foreign Office and Ministry of Defence official Alicia Kearns said at a Tory fundraiser that legal advice would mean the UK has to cease all arms sales to Israel without delay
The British government has received advice from its own lawyers stating that Israel has breached international humanitarian law in Gaza but has failed to make it public, according to a leaked recording obtained by the Observer.
The comments, made by the Conservative chair of the House of Commons select committee on foreign affairs, Alicia Kearns, at a Tory fundraising event on 13 March are at odds with repeated ministerial denials and evasion on the issue.
On Saturday night, Kearns, a former Foreign Office and Ministry of Defence official, who has repeatedly pressed ministers, including foreign secretary David Cameron, on the legal advice they have received, stood by her comments and called for the government to come clean.
“I remain convinced the government has completed its updated assessment on whether Israel is demonstrating a commitment to international humanitarian law, and that it has concluded that Israel is not demonstrating this commitment, which is the legal determination it has to make,” she said. “Transparency at this point is paramount, not least to uphold the international rules-based order.”
The revelation will place Lord Cameron and prime minister Rishi Sunak under intense pressure because any such legal advice would mean the UK had to cease all arms sales to Israel without delay.
Legal experts said that not to do so would risk putting the UK in breach of international law itself, as it would be seen as aiding and abetting war crimes by a country it was exporting arms to.
Who actually cares about icj rulings...serious question...they can't enforce there rulings unless they can persuade a lot of countries to invade...they are more toothless than a duck. A complete and utter waste of time with highly paid people passing judgements that will never be prosecuted....abolish them or at least we should not contribute to the idiocy
I don’t think we’d enjoy a world free of international law. It’s a long time since the UK was hegemonic.
I don't think it would make any difference whatsoever.
International law is about as meaningful as the pirate code.
Nations have always, and always will, treated it more like guidelines than actual rules.
Statistically that has to be right. Absolutely no one is that near so many murders without being the cause. The way she was able to offload responsibility was, however, impressive.
Statistically that has to be right. Absolutely no one is that near so many murders without being the cause. The way she was able to offload responsibility was, however, impressive.
Aided & abetted by criminally incompetent (also visa-versa) Cabot Cove constabulary AND her quack quasi-paramour.
MRPs are just Labour propaganda to undermine the Lib Dems in target seats.
Discuss.
That is questioning the integrity of BPC pollsters.
MRPs might be crap but they are produced honestly.
Just to be clear, I’m not actually suggesting the pollsters are deliberately trying to undermine the Lib Dems in target seats.
That’s just the unfortunate result of their methodology.
Ben Lauderdale who was the brains behind the original YouGov MRP said MRPs only become relevant/accurate in the three months before the election, prior to that they are noise.
Noise that is eagerly picked up by Labour campaigners, as Nick Palmer demonstrates.
Statistically that has to be right. Absolutely no one is that near so many murders without being the cause. The way she was able to offload responsibility was, however, impressive.
Aided & abetted by criminally incompetent (also visa-versa) Cabot Cove constabulary AND her quack quasi-paramour.
Tom Bosley was the greatest police chief in America. Should have done a crossover in Midsomer. Feckin corpses everywhere. And that's just John Nettles acting
MRPs are just Labour propaganda to undermine the Lib Dems in target seats.
Discuss.
That is questioning the integrity of BPC pollsters.
MRPs might be crap but they are produced honestly.
Just to be clear, I’m not actually suggesting the pollsters are deliberately trying to undermine the Lib Dems in target seats.
That’s just the unfortunate result of their methodology.
Ben Lauderdale who was the brains behind the original YouGov MRP said MRPs only become relevant/accurate in the three months before the election, prior to that they are noise.
MRPs are just Labour propaganda to undermine the Lib Dems in target seats.
Discuss.
That is questioning the integrity of BPC pollsters.
MRPs might be crap but they are produced honestly.
Just to be clear, I’m not actually suggesting the pollsters are deliberately trying to undermine the Lib Dems in target seats.
That’s just the unfortunate result of their methodology.
Ben Lauderdale who was the brains behind the original YouGov MRP said MRPs only become relevant/accurate in the three months before the election, prior to that they are noise.
Statistically that has to be right. Absolutely no one is that near so many murders without being the cause. The way she was able to offload responsibility was, however, impressive.
I've never understood why the house prices in Midsomer and St Marie are still so high.
As the poll shows however, if Sunak can squeeze the Reform vote he will increase the number of Tory seats won by at least 50%. So that is key.
In Scotland it still has the SNP down 7 on 2019 but I expect that to be lower with Unionist tactical voting, especially for Labour
Is it key? 150 versus 100 seats, it's not going to make much difference in the long run. I guess maybe there's a future leader in those extra 50 seats.
Statistically that has to be right. Absolutely no one is that near so many murders without being the cause. The way she was able to offload responsibility was, however, impressive.
I've never understood why the house prices in Midsomer and St Marie are still so high.
This was discussed a little earlier today, and it does rather make you wonder what the Government intends to do with the information (apart from courier it to the gutter press so that they can organise a hate campaign against whichever nationalities make the top end of the list.)
It was a tragic waste of life for Ukraine to attack a larger army that had defense in depth, minefields and stronger artillery when Ukraine lacked armor or air superiority! Any fool could have predicted that.
My recommendation a year ago was for Ukraine to entrench and apply all resources to defense. Even then, it is tough to hold land that doesn’t have strong natural barriers.
There is no chance of Russia taking all of Ukraine, as the local resistance would be extreme in the west, but Russia will certainly gain more land than they have today.
The longer the war goes on, the more territory Russia will gain until they hit the Dnepr, which is tough to overcome. However, if the war lasts long enough, Odessa will fall too.
Whether Ukraine loses all access to the Black Sea or not is, in my view, the real remaining question. I recommend a negotiated settlement before that happens. 6:35 PM · Mar 30, 2024 · 115.2K View https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1774143429720596865?s=20
Elon’s been pushing Putin propaganda (whether out of ignorance of malice) for a while now. About the only thing you and he have in common.
Maybe hes more rational than you, not difficult by the way.
It was a tragic waste of life for Ukraine to attack a larger army that had defense in depth, minefields and stronger artillery when Ukraine lacked armor or air superiority! Any fool could have predicted that.
My recommendation a year ago was for Ukraine to entrench and apply all resources to defense. Even then, it is tough to hold land that doesn’t have strong natural barriers.
There is no chance of Russia taking all of Ukraine, as the local resistance would be extreme in the west, but Russia will certainly gain more land than they have today.
The longer the war goes on, the more territory Russia will gain until they hit the Dnepr, which is tough to overcome. However, if the war lasts long enough, Odessa will fall too.
Whether Ukraine loses all access to the Black Sea or not is, in my view, the real remaining question. I recommend a negotiated settlement before that happens. 6:35 PM · Mar 30, 2024 · 115.2K View https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1774143429720596865?s=20
I don't think that Musk is a natural at military strategy. He probably just wants the war to end like everyone does but doesn't come across well simplifying the situation like this. Lots of predictions about Ukraine have been revealed to be wrong.
It was a tragic waste of life for Ukraine to attack a larger army that had defense in depth, minefields and stronger artillery when Ukraine lacked armor or air superiority! Any fool could have predicted that.
My recommendation a year ago was for Ukraine to entrench and apply all resources to defense. Even then, it is tough to hold land that doesn’t have strong natural barriers.
There is no chance of Russia taking all of Ukraine, as the local resistance would be extreme in the west, but Russia will certainly gain more land than they have today.
The longer the war goes on, the more territory Russia will gain until they hit the Dnepr, which is tough to overcome. However, if the war lasts long enough, Odessa will fall too.
Whether Ukraine loses all access to the Black Sea or not is, in my view, the real remaining question. I recommend a negotiated settlement before that happens. 6:35 PM · Mar 30, 2024 · 115.2K View https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1774143429720596865?s=20
Elon’s been pushing Putin propaganda (whether out of ignorance of malice) for a while now. About the only thing you and he have in common.
Maybe hes more rational than you, not difficult by the way.
@Trent on the last thread you made an outrageous post which I responded to, but the thread ended so I repeat it here because I was gobsmacked by it:
You said 'The last years of peoples lives especially in dementia care homes can be utterly miserable. And we have to ask can we afford it.'
You said that without any solution. I asked if we decide we can't afford it what do you propose? We can't just exterminate people because of cost. That is an appalling suggestion.
People sign a document which states if they get dementia and it progresses past a certain point its fine for their life to be voluntarily brought to an end.
Statistically that has to be right. Absolutely no one is that near so many murders without being the cause. The way she was able to offload responsibility was, however, impressive.
I've never understood why the house prices in Midsomer and St Marie are still so high.
Oxford is the same. Incredible murder rate. Basically at least one a week, often more.
UK government lawyers say Israel is breaking international law, claims top Tory in leaked recording
Ex-Foreign Office and Ministry of Defence official Alicia Kearns said at a Tory fundraiser that legal advice would mean the UK has to cease all arms sales to Israel without delay
The British government has received advice from its own lawyers stating that Israel has breached international humanitarian law in Gaza but has failed to make it public, according to a leaked recording obtained by the Observer.
The comments, made by the Conservative chair of the House of Commons select committee on foreign affairs, Alicia Kearns, at a Tory fundraising event on 13 March are at odds with repeated ministerial denials and evasion on the issue.
On Saturday night, Kearns, a former Foreign Office and Ministry of Defence official, who has repeatedly pressed ministers, including foreign secretary David Cameron, on the legal advice they have received, stood by her comments and called for the government to come clean.
“I remain convinced the government has completed its updated assessment on whether Israel is demonstrating a commitment to international humanitarian law, and that it has concluded that Israel is not demonstrating this commitment, which is the legal determination it has to make,” she said. “Transparency at this point is paramount, not least to uphold the international rules-based order.”
The revelation will place Lord Cameron and prime minister Rishi Sunak under intense pressure because any such legal advice would mean the UK had to cease all arms sales to Israel without delay.
Legal experts said that not to do so would risk putting the UK in breach of international law itself, as it would be seen as aiding and abetting war crimes by a country it was exporting arms to.
It's nonsense like this which is why Israel is being so restrained and fighting this war with kid gloves and one hand tied behind its back.
They should be far more aggressive than they are. They should have gone into Rafah ages ago.
But I respect the way they're trying to minimise civilian casualties. Unlike Hamas who aim to maximise them. And Egypt and the rest of the world kettling Palestinians into the war zone with no escape or safe haven for refugees outside it, as would be granted in any other conflict.
Where do you swallow this propaganda, Bart? How is mass starvation minimising civilian casualties?
This was discussed a little earlier today, and it does rather make you wonder what the Government intends to do with the information (apart from courier it to the gutter press so that they can organise a hate campaign against whichever nationalities make the top end of the list.)
I discussed it with a friend, it just reinforces my view that Rishi & co treat 2019 Tories/Leave voters as some kind of caricature, as if we are all Alf Garnett because we wanted immigration controls.
MRPs are just Labour propaganda to undermine the Lib Dems in target seats.
Discuss.
That is questioning the integrity of BPC pollsters.
MRPs might be crap but they are produced honestly.
Just to be clear, I’m not actually suggesting the pollsters are deliberately trying to undermine the Lib Dems in target seats.
That’s just the unfortunate result of their methodology.
Ben Lauderdale who was the brains behind the original YouGov MRP said MRPs only become relevant/accurate in the three months before the election, prior to that they are noise.
Ooh. any particular reasons why?
People become more focussed the closer to the election, right now they are responding on what they think about the government.
The big question for me is, why are the LibDems doing so badly? I want to see the Tories lose, but I would rather see the Libdems become the official opposition than see Labour with a 300 seat majority. Or even a 200 seat majority! I mean, most of the electorate now know in their gut that to vote Tory is to vote for a greater chance of dying of untreated cancer, but the Lib dems are still losing to them. If they aren't going to overtake them now, they will never do it - they might as well shut up shop.
Because the lib dems are neither liberal nor democratic and compulsive liars. No one wants to vote for a party like that. I would vote count binface rather than vote lib dem as would most
I know this is unfair of me because I backed off a long discussion on this before because of time but:
There are numerous LD posters here including myself and I know you don't think I am not liberal or undemocratic or a compulsive liar from our past discussions and I'm sure you don't think that of the other LD posters here who all come over as extremely reasonable (he says being unbiased )
So do you think we are all deluded to be taken in by illiberal, undemocratic liars?
80% of DTEK's energy capacity damaged, destroyed after Russian March attacks.
In March, Russian attacks damaged or completely destroyed 80% of the thermal generating capacity of Ukraine's largest private energy company, DTEK, the company's executive director said on March 30. 5:31 PM · Mar 30, 2024 · 115.4K Views
80% of DTEK's energy capacity damaged, destroyed after Russian March attacks.
In March, Russian attacks damaged or completely destroyed 80% of the thermal generating capacity of Ukraine's largest private energy company, DTEK, the company's executive director said on March 30. 5:31 PM · Mar 30, 2024 · 115.4K Views
UK government lawyers say Israel is breaking international law, claims top Tory in leaked recording
Ex-Foreign Office and Ministry of Defence official Alicia Kearns said at a Tory fundraiser that legal advice would mean the UK has to cease all arms sales to Israel without delay
The British government has received advice from its own lawyers stating that Israel has breached international humanitarian law in Gaza but has failed to make it public, according to a leaked recording obtained by the Observer.
The comments, made by the Conservative chair of the House of Commons select committee on foreign affairs, Alicia Kearns, at a Tory fundraising event on 13 March are at odds with repeated ministerial denials and evasion on the issue.
On Saturday night, Kearns, a former Foreign Office and Ministry of Defence official, who has repeatedly pressed ministers, including foreign secretary David Cameron, on the legal advice they have received, stood by her comments and called for the government to come clean.
“I remain convinced the government has completed its updated assessment on whether Israel is demonstrating a commitment to international humanitarian law, and that it has concluded that Israel is not demonstrating this commitment, which is the legal determination it has to make,” she said. “Transparency at this point is paramount, not least to uphold the international rules-based order.”
The revelation will place Lord Cameron and prime minister Rishi Sunak under intense pressure because any such legal advice would mean the UK had to cease all arms sales to Israel without delay.
Legal experts said that not to do so would risk putting the UK in breach of international law itself, as it would be seen as aiding and abetting war crimes by a country it was exporting arms to.
It's nonsense like this which is why Israel is being so restrained and fighting this war with kid gloves and one hand tied behind its back.
They should be far more aggressive than they are. They should have gone into Rafah ages ago.
But I respect the way they're trying to minimise civilian casualties. Unlike Hamas who aim to maximise them. And Egypt and the rest of the world kettling Palestinians into the war zone with no escape or safe haven for refugees outside it, as would be granted in any other conflict.
Its posts like this that let us know who you are and it aint pretty.
I know Moscow supports Hamas, you don't need to tell us.
Israel is fighting an existential war for its survival, it's entitled to proportionately seek to destroy Hamas and its doing so.
Some people here object to the very notion of seeking to destroy Hamas and don't want Israel to win this war.
How is Israel fighting an "existential war for its survival"? Hamas clearly has no ability whatsoever to destroy Israel.
Israel is fighting an asymmetric war against an enemy that killed many Israelis in a sneak attack. Hamas's actions were horrendous, a war crime, but exaggerating the threat posed just makes you look silly. The IDF have walked over Gaza without any difficulty.
The big question for me is, why are the LibDems doing so badly? I want to see the Tories lose, but I would rather see the Libdems become the official opposition than see Labour with a 300 seat majority. Or even a 200 seat majority! I mean, most of the electorate now know in their gut that to vote Tory is to vote for a greater chance of dying of untreated cancer, but the Lib dems are still losing to them. If they aren't going to overtake them now, they will never do it - they might as well shut up shop.
Minor party squeeze, which applies to everyone except Con, Lab & SNP. Besides which, they have almost no identifiable platform in the public imagination.
Okay, but doesn't minor party squeeze happen every General Election? They've definitely had more seats than this projection despite it. Is there a reason why it would be worse this time?
Not having a platform is definitely a thing though, I agree. An LD activist I know (who'd been a candidate, so pretty committed) has backed off because he says he doesn't know what the party is for any more.
It was a tragic waste of life for Ukraine to attack a larger army that had defense in depth, minefields and stronger artillery when Ukraine lacked armor or air superiority! Any fool could have predicted that.
My recommendation a year ago was for Ukraine to entrench and apply all resources to defense. Even then, it is tough to hold land that doesn’t have strong natural barriers.
There is no chance of Russia taking all of Ukraine, as the local resistance would be extreme in the west, but Russia will certainly gain more land than they have today.
The longer the war goes on, the more territory Russia will gain until they hit the Dnepr, which is tough to overcome. However, if the war lasts long enough, Odessa will fall too.
Whether Ukraine loses all access to the Black Sea or not is, in my view, the real remaining question. I recommend a negotiated settlement before that happens. 6:35 PM · Mar 30, 2024 · 115.2K View https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1774143429720596865?s=20
Elon’s been pushing Putin propaganda (whether out of ignorance of malice) for a while now. About the only thing you and he have in common.
Maybe hes more rational than you, not difficult by the way.
@Trent on the last thread you made an outrageous post which I responded to, but the thread ended so I repeat it here because I was gobsmacked by it:
You said 'The last years of peoples lives especially in dementia care homes can be utterly miserable. And we have to ask can we afford it.'
You said that without any solution. I asked if we decide we can't afford it what do you propose? We can't just exterminate people because of cost. That is an appalling suggestion.
People sign a document which states if they get dementia and it progresses past a certain point its fine for their life to be voluntarily brought to an end.
One of the difficulties of assisted dying (which I support) is that there is a strong trend for the position that whatever advice and drugs etc are provided, the person themselves must be the one who takes the fatal dose for themselves. This would exclude many cases.
80% of DTEK's energy capacity damaged, destroyed after Russian March attacks.
In March, Russian attacks damaged or completely destroyed 80% of the thermal generating capacity of Ukraine's largest private energy company, DTEK, the company's executive director said on March 30. 5:31 PM · Mar 30, 2024 · 115.4K Views
80% of DTEK's energy capacity damaged, destroyed after Russian March attacks.
In March, Russian attacks damaged or completely destroyed 80% of the thermal generating capacity of Ukraine's largest private energy company, DTEK, the company's executive director said on March 30. 5:31 PM · Mar 30, 2024 · 115.4K Views
The big question for me is, why are the LibDems doing so badly? I want to see the Tories lose, but I would rather see the Libdems become the official opposition than see Labour with a 300 seat majority. Or even a 200 seat majority! I mean, most of the electorate now know in their gut that to vote Tory is to vote for a greater chance of dying of untreated cancer, but the Lib dems are still losing to them. If they aren't going to overtake them now, they will never do it - they might as well shut up shop.
Because the lib dems are neither liberal nor democratic and compulsive liars. No one wants to vote for a party like that. I would vote count binface rather than vote lib dem as would most
I know this is unfair of me because I backed off a long discussion on this before because of time but:
There are numerous LD posters here including myself and I know you don't think I am not liberal nor undemocratic nor a compulsive liar from our past discussions and I'm sure you don't think that of the other LD posters here who all come over as extremely reasonable (he says being unbiased )
So do you think we are all deluded to be taken in by illiberal, undemocratic liars?
I lived in slough for a long while, used to get ld leaflets through the door for elections, also had good friends in maidenhead they used to get ld leaflets too.....reading both sets you wouldn't believe they were from the same party because they were so often contradictory.
I believe most ld supporters here are sincere....I just don't think the party you support is sincere. I suspect 2/3 of ld votes in any election are mere protests and if you just had believers voting for you then you would come behind the greens.
80% of DTEK's energy capacity damaged, destroyed after Russian March attacks.
In March, Russian attacks damaged or completely destroyed 80% of the thermal generating capacity of Ukraine's largest private energy company, DTEK, the company's executive director said on March 30. 5:31 PM · Mar 30, 2024 · 115.4K Views
It’s Easter tomorrow and we seem to be on the timeline where Donald Trump is selling signed Bibles and the Moscow Patriarch is calling us Satanists and the two of them are part of a larger effort to abuse Christianity to bring about violent oligarchical fascism. https://twitter.com/TimothyDSnyder/status/1774160648462557261
Zelensky is Eastern Orthodox and Biden Roman Catholic, both Christians too
It was a tragic waste of life for Ukraine to attack a larger army that had defense in depth, minefields and stronger artillery when Ukraine lacked armor or air superiority! Any fool could have predicted that.
My recommendation a year ago was for Ukraine to entrench and apply all resources to defense. Even then, it is tough to hold land that doesn’t have strong natural barriers.
There is no chance of Russia taking all of Ukraine, as the local resistance would be extreme in the west, but Russia will certainly gain more land than they have today.
The longer the war goes on, the more territory Russia will gain until they hit the Dnepr, which is tough to overcome. However, if the war lasts long enough, Odessa will fall too.
Whether Ukraine loses all access to the Black Sea or not is, in my view, the real remaining question. I recommend a negotiated settlement before that happens. 6:35 PM · Mar 30, 2024 · 115.2K View https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1774143429720596865?s=20
Elon’s been pushing Putin propaganda (whether out of ignorance of malice) for a while now. About the only thing you and he have in common.
Maybe hes more rational than you, not difficult by the way.
@Trent on the last thread you made an outrageous post which I responded to, but the thread ended so I repeat it here because I was gobsmacked by it:
You said 'The last years of peoples lives especially in dementia care homes can be utterly miserable. And we have to ask can we afford it.'
You said that without any solution. I asked if we decide we can't afford it what do you propose? We can't just exterminate people because of cost. That is an appalling suggestion.
People sign a document which states if they get dementia and it progresses past a certain point its fine for their life to be voluntarily brought to an end.
What is that point - who decides - frankly you are very unpleasant and clearly verging on supporting euthanasia for dementia
It was a tragic waste of life for Ukraine to attack a larger army that had defense in depth, minefields and stronger artillery when Ukraine lacked armor or air superiority! Any fool could have predicted that.
My recommendation a year ago was for Ukraine to entrench and apply all resources to defense. Even then, it is tough to hold land that doesn’t have strong natural barriers.
There is no chance of Russia taking all of Ukraine, as the local resistance would be extreme in the west, but Russia will certainly gain more land than they have today.
The longer the war goes on, the more territory Russia will gain until they hit the Dnepr, which is tough to overcome. However, if the war lasts long enough, Odessa will fall too.
Whether Ukraine loses all access to the Black Sea or not is, in my view, the real remaining question. I recommend a negotiated settlement before that happens. 6:35 PM · Mar 30, 2024 · 115.2K View https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1774143429720596865?s=20
Elon’s been pushing Putin propaganda (whether out of ignorance of malice) for a while now. About the only thing you and he have in common.
Maybe hes more rational than you, not difficult by the way.
@Trent on the last thread you made an outrageous post which I responded to, but the thread ended so I repeat it here because I was gobsmacked by it:
You said 'The last years of peoples lives especially in dementia care homes can be utterly miserable. And we have to ask can we afford it.'
You said that without any solution. I asked if we decide we can't afford it what do you propose? We can't just exterminate people because of cost. That is an appalling suggestion.
People sign a document which states if they get dementia and it progresses past a certain point its fine for their life to be voluntarily brought to an end.
That is not what you said. You said: 'And WE have to ask can WE afford it'.
That is not the same as someone voluntarily agreeing to have their life terminated. You said 'WE' that is you and me and others deciding to end another person's life. That is unacceptable and an outrageous suggestion. That is, as it stands until you get your way, murder.
It was a tragic waste of life for Ukraine to attack a larger army that had defense in depth, minefields and stronger artillery when Ukraine lacked armor or air superiority! Any fool could have predicted that.
My recommendation a year ago was for Ukraine to entrench and apply all resources to defense. Even then, it is tough to hold land that doesn’t have strong natural barriers.
There is no chance of Russia taking all of Ukraine, as the local resistance would be extreme in the west, but Russia will certainly gain more land than they have today.
The longer the war goes on, the more territory Russia will gain until they hit the Dnepr, which is tough to overcome. However, if the war lasts long enough, Odessa will fall too.
Whether Ukraine loses all access to the Black Sea or not is, in my view, the real remaining question. I recommend a negotiated settlement before that happens. 6:35 PM · Mar 30, 2024 · 115.2K View https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1774143429720596865?s=20
Elon’s been pushing Putin propaganda (whether out of ignorance of malice) for a while now. About the only thing you and he have in common.
Maybe hes more rational than you, not difficult by the way.
@Trent on the last thread you made an outrageous post which I responded to, but the thread ended so I repeat it here because I was gobsmacked by it:
You said 'The last years of peoples lives especially in dementia care homes can be utterly miserable. And we have to ask can we afford it.'
You said that without any solution. I asked if we decide we can't afford it what do you propose? We can't just exterminate people because of cost. That is an appalling suggestion.
People sign a document which states if they get dementia and it progresses past a certain point its fine for their life to be voluntarily brought to an end.
What is that point - who decides - frankly you are very unpleasant and clearly verging on supporting euthanasia for dementia
Have you seen the misery in dementia care homes. I have.
Statistically that has to be right. Absolutely no one is that near so many murders without being the cause. The way she was able to offload responsibility was, however, impressive.
I've never understood why the house prices in Midsomer and St Marie are still so high.
Personally speaking, Midsomer Murders (broadcast in US by PBS and now by one El Cheapo TV re-run channel) has taught me a LOT about typical English life.
For example, that you are all a pack of sex-crazed homicidal super-loonies.
It was a tragic waste of life for Ukraine to attack a larger army that had defense in depth, minefields and stronger artillery when Ukraine lacked armor or air superiority! Any fool could have predicted that.
My recommendation a year ago was for Ukraine to entrench and apply all resources to defense. Even then, it is tough to hold land that doesn’t have strong natural barriers.
There is no chance of Russia taking all of Ukraine, as the local resistance would be extreme in the west, but Russia will certainly gain more land than they have today.
The longer the war goes on, the more territory Russia will gain until they hit the Dnepr, which is tough to overcome. However, if the war lasts long enough, Odessa will fall too.
Whether Ukraine loses all access to the Black Sea or not is, in my view, the real remaining question. I recommend a negotiated settlement before that happens. 6:35 PM · Mar 30, 2024 · 115.2K View https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1774143429720596865?s=20
Elon’s been pushing Putin propaganda (whether out of ignorance of malice) for a while now. About the only thing you and he have in common.
Maybe hes more rational than you, not difficult by the way.
@Trent on the last thread you made an outrageous post which I responded to, but the thread ended so I repeat it here because I was gobsmacked by it:
You said 'The last years of peoples lives especially in dementia care homes can be utterly miserable. And we have to ask can we afford it.'
You said that without any solution. I asked if we decide we can't afford it what do you propose? We can't just exterminate people because of cost. That is an appalling suggestion.
People sign a document which states if they get dementia and it progresses past a certain point its fine for their life to be voluntarily brought to an end.
What is that point - who decides - frankly you are very unpleasant and clearly verging on supporting euthanasia for dementia
Have you seen the misery in dementia care homes. I have.
80% of DTEK's energy capacity damaged, destroyed after Russian March attacks.
In March, Russian attacks damaged or completely destroyed 80% of the thermal generating capacity of Ukraine's largest private energy company, DTEK, the company's executive director said on March 30. 5:31 PM · Mar 30, 2024 · 115.4K Views
It was a tragic waste of life for Ukraine to attack a larger army that had defense in depth, minefields and stronger artillery when Ukraine lacked armor or air superiority! Any fool could have predicted that.
My recommendation a year ago was for Ukraine to entrench and apply all resources to defense. Even then, it is tough to hold land that doesn’t have strong natural barriers.
There is no chance of Russia taking all of Ukraine, as the local resistance would be extreme in the west, but Russia will certainly gain more land than they have today.
The longer the war goes on, the more territory Russia will gain until they hit the Dnepr, which is tough to overcome. However, if the war lasts long enough, Odessa will fall too.
Whether Ukraine loses all access to the Black Sea or not is, in my view, the real remaining question. I recommend a negotiated settlement before that happens. 6:35 PM · Mar 30, 2024 · 115.2K View https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1774143429720596865?s=20
Elon’s been pushing Putin propaganda (whether out of ignorance of malice) for a while now. About the only thing you and he have in common.
Maybe hes more rational than you, not difficult by the way.
@Trent on the last thread you made an outrageous post which I responded to, but the thread ended so I repeat it here because I was gobsmacked by it:
You said 'The last years of peoples lives especially in dementia care homes can be utterly miserable. And we have to ask can we afford it.'
You said that without any solution. I asked if we decide we can't afford it what do you propose? We can't just exterminate people because of cost. That is an appalling suggestion.
People sign a document which states if they get dementia and it progresses past a certain point its fine for their life to be voluntarily brought to an end.
What is that point - who decides - frankly you are very unpleasant and clearly verging on supporting euthanasia for dementia
Have you seen the misery in dementia care homes. I have.
Of course I have and frankly your views disgust me
UK government lawyers say Israel is breaking international law, claims top Tory in leaked recording
Ex-Foreign Office and Ministry of Defence official Alicia Kearns said at a Tory fundraiser that legal advice would mean the UK has to cease all arms sales to Israel without delay
The British government has received advice from its own lawyers stating that Israel has breached international humanitarian law in Gaza but has failed to make it public, according to a leaked recording obtained by the Observer.
The comments, made by the Conservative chair of the House of Commons select committee on foreign affairs, Alicia Kearns, at a Tory fundraising event on 13 March are at odds with repeated ministerial denials and evasion on the issue.
On Saturday night, Kearns, a former Foreign Office and Ministry of Defence official, who has repeatedly pressed ministers, including foreign secretary David Cameron, on the legal advice they have received, stood by her comments and called for the government to come clean.
“I remain convinced the government has completed its updated assessment on whether Israel is demonstrating a commitment to international humanitarian law, and that it has concluded that Israel is not demonstrating this commitment, which is the legal determination it has to make,” she said. “Transparency at this point is paramount, not least to uphold the international rules-based order.”
The revelation will place Lord Cameron and prime minister Rishi Sunak under intense pressure because any such legal advice would mean the UK had to cease all arms sales to Israel without delay.
Legal experts said that not to do so would risk putting the UK in breach of international law itself, as it would be seen as aiding and abetting war crimes by a country it was exporting arms to.
80% of DTEK's energy capacity damaged, destroyed after Russian March attacks.
In March, Russian attacks damaged or completely destroyed 80% of the thermal generating capacity of Ukraine's largest private energy company, DTEK, the company's executive director said on March 30. 5:31 PM · Mar 30, 2024 · 115.4K Views
It was a tragic waste of life for Ukraine to attack a larger army that had defense in depth, minefields and stronger artillery when Ukraine lacked armor or air superiority! Any fool could have predicted that.
My recommendation a year ago was for Ukraine to entrench and apply all resources to defense. Even then, it is tough to hold land that doesn’t have strong natural barriers.
There is no chance of Russia taking all of Ukraine, as the local resistance would be extreme in the west, but Russia will certainly gain more land than they have today.
The longer the war goes on, the more territory Russia will gain until they hit the Dnepr, which is tough to overcome. However, if the war lasts long enough, Odessa will fall too.
Whether Ukraine loses all access to the Black Sea or not is, in my view, the real remaining question. I recommend a negotiated settlement before that happens. 6:35 PM · Mar 30, 2024 · 115.2K View https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1774143429720596865?s=20
Elon’s been pushing Putin propaganda (whether out of ignorance of malice) for a while now. About the only thing you and he have in common.
Maybe hes more rational than you, not difficult by the way.
@Trent on the last thread you made an outrageous post which I responded to, but the thread ended so I repeat it here because I was gobsmacked by it:
You said 'The last years of peoples lives especially in dementia care homes can be utterly miserable. And we have to ask can we afford it.'
You said that without any solution. I asked if we decide we can't afford it what do you propose? We can't just exterminate people because of cost. That is an appalling suggestion.
People sign a document which states if they get dementia and it progresses past a certain point its fine for their life to be voluntarily brought to an end.
What is that point - who decides - frankly you are very unpleasant and clearly verging on supporting euthanasia for dementia
Dementia destroys lives not only of those with dementia but also the people around them however is something to bear in mind. My father has dementia, he is driving his girlfriend to an early grave she has now been described anti depressants. I have had official warnings from work because he does stupid shit and I need to take immediate time off by telling my boss sorry I need to go because he did something stupid.
How many people can he take down with him before those around him say enough? Or should we just drop contact and refuse responsibility when he is already an unrecogisable shell of himself?
Aren't MRPs fun? My highlight on this one is Hazel Grove. I can see the Cons losing it - but to Lab? I doubt it. The method is very harsh on third parties. So the Greens and Scot Cons lose all of their seats. The Lib Dems win 22 but Lab come from nowhere to win South Cambridgeshire. The massively expanded Montomeryshire and Glyndwr going Lab is almost pedestrian concerned to that.
Meanwhile, a big Survation poll had Lab 19% ahead and Reform UK on 8%. Cons plus Reform are on 34.7% - still more than 10% behind Lab.
In these circumstances why on earth would the blessed Nigel call off the dogs. He needs the Cons to know just how much they need him and a result anywhere within a hundred miles of this will do that in spades!
The thing in is - in the actual election there will be some such surprises, I'm sure. Just not necessarily these ones.
It was a tragic waste of life for Ukraine to attack a larger army that had defense in depth, minefields and stronger artillery when Ukraine lacked armor or air superiority! Any fool could have predicted that.
My recommendation a year ago was for Ukraine to entrench and apply all resources to defense. Even then, it is tough to hold land that doesn’t have strong natural barriers.
There is no chance of Russia taking all of Ukraine, as the local resistance would be extreme in the west, but Russia will certainly gain more land than they have today.
The longer the war goes on, the more territory Russia will gain until they hit the Dnepr, which is tough to overcome. However, if the war lasts long enough, Odessa will fall too.
Whether Ukraine loses all access to the Black Sea or not is, in my view, the real remaining question. I recommend a negotiated settlement before that happens. 6:35 PM · Mar 30, 2024 · 115.2K View https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1774143429720596865?s=20
Elon’s been pushing Putin propaganda (whether out of ignorance of malice) for a while now. About the only thing you and he have in common.
Maybe hes more rational than you, not difficult by the way.
@Trent on the last thread you made an outrageous post which I responded to, but the thread ended so I repeat it here because I was gobsmacked by it:
You said 'The last years of peoples lives especially in dementia care homes can be utterly miserable. And we have to ask can we afford it.'
You said that without any solution. I asked if we decide we can't afford it what do you propose? We can't just exterminate people because of cost. That is an appalling suggestion.
People sign a document which states if they get dementia and it progresses past a certain point its fine for their life to be voluntarily brought to an end.
What is that point - who decides - frankly you are very unpleasant and clearly verging on supporting euthanasia for dementia
Have you seen the misery in dementia care homes. I have.
Of course I have and frankly your views disgust me
Well its a free country we are allowed to disagree. I regard my views as moral so your criticism doesnt concern me.
Statistically that has to be right. Absolutely no one is that near so many murders without being the cause. The way she was able to offload responsibility was, however, impressive.
I've never understood why the house prices in Midsomer and St Marie are still so high.
Oxford is the same. Incredible murder rate. Basically at least one a week, often more.
It’s back to normal, since Morse left town. And yes, I’ve heard that St Mary Mead used to be twinned with Bogotá.
It was a tragic waste of life for Ukraine to attack a larger army that had defense in depth, minefields and stronger artillery when Ukraine lacked armor or air superiority! Any fool could have predicted that.
My recommendation a year ago was for Ukraine to entrench and apply all resources to defense. Even then, it is tough to hold land that doesn’t have strong natural barriers.
There is no chance of Russia taking all of Ukraine, as the local resistance would be extreme in the west, but Russia will certainly gain more land than they have today.
The longer the war goes on, the more territory Russia will gain until they hit the Dnepr, which is tough to overcome. However, if the war lasts long enough, Odessa will fall too.
Whether Ukraine loses all access to the Black Sea or not is, in my view, the real remaining question. I recommend a negotiated settlement before that happens. 6:35 PM · Mar 30, 2024 · 115.2K View https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1774143429720596865?s=20
I don't think that Musk is a natural at military strategy. He probably just wants the war to end like everyone does but doesn't come across well simplifying the situation like this. Lots of predictions about Ukraine have been revealed to be wrong.
All Elon Musk wants is more money. Obtained by exploiting nexus between tech & govt.
UK government lawyers say Israel is breaking international law, claims top Tory in leaked recording
Ex-Foreign Office and Ministry of Defence official Alicia Kearns said at a Tory fundraiser that legal advice would mean the UK has to cease all arms sales to Israel without delay
The British government has received advice from its own lawyers stating that Israel has breached international humanitarian law in Gaza but has failed to make it public, according to a leaked recording obtained by the Observer.
The comments, made by the Conservative chair of the House of Commons select committee on foreign affairs, Alicia Kearns, at a Tory fundraising event on 13 March are at odds with repeated ministerial denials and evasion on the issue.
On Saturday night, Kearns, a former Foreign Office and Ministry of Defence official, who has repeatedly pressed ministers, including foreign secretary David Cameron, on the legal advice they have received, stood by her comments and called for the government to come clean.
“I remain convinced the government has completed its updated assessment on whether Israel is demonstrating a commitment to international humanitarian law, and that it has concluded that Israel is not demonstrating this commitment, which is the legal determination it has to make,” she said. “Transparency at this point is paramount, not least to uphold the international rules-based order.”
The revelation will place Lord Cameron and prime minister Rishi Sunak under intense pressure because any such legal advice would mean the UK had to cease all arms sales to Israel without delay.
Legal experts said that not to do so would risk putting the UK in breach of international law itself, as it would be seen as aiding and abetting war crimes by a country it was exporting arms to.
68% from US, 28% from Germany, which leaves 4% from everyone else.
I thinks those are percentages of their imports. They have substantial domestic supplies. Your source says "Israel has gone from being a net weapons importer to the world’s 10th-largest arms exporter."
We must be approaching the time when people swallow their pride & admit that getting rid of Boris was a horrendous, possibly fatal, mistake by the Tories now.
Yes, removing Boris has cost 150 Tory MPs on this poll, even if Rishi squeezes Reform it will still have cost 100 Tory MPs their seats.
Had Truss remained it would have cost 200 Tory MPs their seats. Had Conservative members had a choice to keep Boris in 2022 or not they would have kept him. Tory MPs by removing him may ultimately have got a more competent PM in Sunak but it has cost far more of them their seats given even when he resigned polls had the Conservatives on 250+ seats with Boris.
In Opposition therefore expect the membership to back a Boris loyalist and rightwinger as Leader of the Opposition and next Conservative Leader
Watching Ch4s ‘The Rise & Fall of Boris Johnson’ it seems unlikely to be that he’s given up on being leader/PM again.
Indeed, if Trump makes his comeback after defeat in 2020 and comes back to win in November and beat Biden in a rematch, I suspect Boris will try and make a comeback in Opposition. By then Sunak and Hunt, his main enemies in the party and former leadership rivals, will have likely led the party to crushing defeat and left the scene along with Cameron. Starmer will then have to deal with the economy, cost of living and the unions as PM. Boris' hero Churchill of course made a comeback in 1951 after defeat in 1945
He may, but in the meantime someone else will have become party leader. If he/she fails to make progress it is quite easy to imagine Boris coming back into contention after a triumphant result in a by election. Stranger things...
It was a tragic waste of life for Ukraine to attack a larger army that had defense in depth, minefields and stronger artillery when Ukraine lacked armor or air superiority! Any fool could have predicted that.
My recommendation a year ago was for Ukraine to entrench and apply all resources to defense. Even then, it is tough to hold land that doesn’t have strong natural barriers.
There is no chance of Russia taking all of Ukraine, as the local resistance would be extreme in the west, but Russia will certainly gain more land than they have today.
The longer the war goes on, the more territory Russia will gain until they hit the Dnepr, which is tough to overcome. However, if the war lasts long enough, Odessa will fall too.
Whether Ukraine loses all access to the Black Sea or not is, in my view, the real remaining question. I recommend a negotiated settlement before that happens. 6:35 PM · Mar 30, 2024 · 115.2K View https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1774143429720596865?s=20
Elon’s been pushing Putin propaganda (whether out of ignorance of malice) for a while now. About the only thing you and he have in common.
Maybe hes more rational than you, not difficult by the way.
@Trent on the last thread you made an outrageous post which I responded to, but the thread ended so I repeat it here because I was gobsmacked by it:
You said 'The last years of peoples lives especially in dementia care homes can be utterly miserable. And we have to ask can we afford it.'
You said that without any solution. I asked if we decide we can't afford it what do you propose? We can't just exterminate people because of cost. That is an appalling suggestion.
People sign a document which states if they get dementia and it progresses past a certain point its fine for their life to be voluntarily brought to an end.
What is that point - who decides - frankly you are very unpleasant and clearly verging on supporting euthanasia for dementia
Have you seen the misery in dementia care homes. I have.
Of course I have and frankly your views disgust me
MAID in Canada ought to put everyone off this ghoulish idea
It was a tragic waste of life for Ukraine to attack a larger army that had defense in depth, minefields and stronger artillery when Ukraine lacked armor or air superiority! Any fool could have predicted that.
My recommendation a year ago was for Ukraine to entrench and apply all resources to defense. Even then, it is tough to hold land that doesn’t have strong natural barriers.
There is no chance of Russia taking all of Ukraine, as the local resistance would be extreme in the west, but Russia will certainly gain more land than they have today.
The longer the war goes on, the more territory Russia will gain until they hit the Dnepr, which is tough to overcome. However, if the war lasts long enough, Odessa will fall too.
Whether Ukraine loses all access to the Black Sea or not is, in my view, the real remaining question. I recommend a negotiated settlement before that happens. 6:35 PM · Mar 30, 2024 · 115.2K View https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1774143429720596865?s=20
Elon’s been pushing Putin propaganda (whether out of ignorance of malice) for a while now. About the only thing you and he have in common.
Maybe hes more rational than you, not difficult by the way.
@Trent on the last thread you made an outrageous post which I responded to, but the thread ended so I repeat it here because I was gobsmacked by it:
You said 'The last years of peoples lives especially in dementia care homes can be utterly miserable. And we have to ask can we afford it.'
You said that without any solution. I asked if we decide we can't afford it what do you propose? We can't just exterminate people because of cost. That is an appalling suggestion.
People sign a document which states if they get dementia and it progresses past a certain point its fine for their life to be voluntarily brought to an end.
What is that point - who decides - frankly you are very unpleasant and clearly verging on supporting euthanasia for dementia
Have you seen the misery in dementia care homes. I have.
Yep my mum died of it in a care home. It wasn't pleasant. However that is no excuse for legalising murder because as you said 'We have to ask can we afford it'
'We have to ask can we afford it' Outrageous statement.
Can we afford prisons, the disabled, the old on pensions, people critically ill, etc, etc. Why not put them down as well because they are expensive.
Where would you like to draw the line. This is calling out for the use of Godwin's law. In mean literally this is Nazi stuff.
It was a tragic waste of life for Ukraine to attack a larger army that had defense in depth, minefields and stronger artillery when Ukraine lacked armor or air superiority! Any fool could have predicted that.
My recommendation a year ago was for Ukraine to entrench and apply all resources to defense. Even then, it is tough to hold land that doesn’t have strong natural barriers.
There is no chance of Russia taking all of Ukraine, as the local resistance would be extreme in the west, but Russia will certainly gain more land than they have today.
The longer the war goes on, the more territory Russia will gain until they hit the Dnepr, which is tough to overcome. However, if the war lasts long enough, Odessa will fall too.
Whether Ukraine loses all access to the Black Sea or not is, in my view, the real remaining question. I recommend a negotiated settlement before that happens. 6:35 PM · Mar 30, 2024 · 115.2K View https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1774143429720596865?s=20
Elon’s been pushing Putin propaganda (whether out of ignorance of malice) for a while now. About the only thing you and he have in common.
Maybe hes more rational than you, not difficult by the way.
@Trent on the last thread you made an outrageous post which I responded to, but the thread ended so I repeat it here because I was gobsmacked by it:
You said 'The last years of peoples lives especially in dementia care homes can be utterly miserable. And we have to ask can we afford it.'
You said that without any solution. I asked if we decide we can't afford it what do you propose? We can't just exterminate people because of cost. That is an appalling suggestion.
“We can't just exterminate people because of cost. That is an appalling suggestion.”
By ending such Ballast Existences, we can save the country x hundred grams of animals fats*, y amount of money, z amount of work force effort. That can be repurposed to The National Goal of a bigger living room in The East
*they were always banging on about amounts of animals fats in their documents. Makes a dog of lard seem sinister, really.
We must be approaching the time when people swallow their pride & admit that getting rid of Boris was a horrendous, possibly fatal, mistake by the Tories now.
Nope - it was the election of Bozo that was the horrendous, fatal, mistake that will destroy the Tories.
I said as much 4 years ago..
When I talk to my family about politics, it's Truss that comes up again and again. Boris rarely gets a mention these days.
It was a tragic waste of life for Ukraine to attack a larger army that had defense in depth, minefields and stronger artillery when Ukraine lacked armor or air superiority! Any fool could have predicted that.
My recommendation a year ago was for Ukraine to entrench and apply all resources to defense. Even then, it is tough to hold land that doesn’t have strong natural barriers.
There is no chance of Russia taking all of Ukraine, as the local resistance would be extreme in the west, but Russia will certainly gain more land than they have today.
The longer the war goes on, the more territory Russia will gain until they hit the Dnepr, which is tough to overcome. However, if the war lasts long enough, Odessa will fall too.
Whether Ukraine loses all access to the Black Sea or not is, in my view, the real remaining question. I recommend a negotiated settlement before that happens. 6:35 PM · Mar 30, 2024 · 115.2K View https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1774143429720596865?s=20
Elon’s been pushing Putin propaganda (whether out of ignorance of malice) for a while now. About the only thing you and he have in common.
Maybe hes more rational than you, not difficult by the way.
@Trent on the last thread you made an outrageous post which I responded to, but the thread ended so I repeat it here because I was gobsmacked by it:
You said 'The last years of peoples lives especially in dementia care homes can be utterly miserable. And we have to ask can we afford it.'
You said that without any solution. I asked if we decide we can't afford it what do you propose? We can't just exterminate people because of cost. That is an appalling suggestion.
People sign a document which states if they get dementia and it progresses past a certain point its fine for their life to be voluntarily brought to an end.
What is that point - who decides - frankly you are very unpleasant and clearly verging on supporting euthanasia for dementia
Have you seen the misery in dementia care homes. I have.
I think the ones in the UK are actually rather more humanely run than the ones in Moscow.
UK government lawyers say Israel is breaking international law, claims top Tory in leaked recording
Ex-Foreign Office and Ministry of Defence official Alicia Kearns said at a Tory fundraiser that legal advice would mean the UK has to cease all arms sales to Israel without delay
The British government has received advice from its own lawyers stating that Israel has breached international humanitarian law in Gaza but has failed to make it public, according to a leaked recording obtained by the Observer.
The comments, made by the Conservative chair of the House of Commons select committee on foreign affairs, Alicia Kearns, at a Tory fundraising event on 13 March are at odds with repeated ministerial denials and evasion on the issue.
On Saturday night, Kearns, a former Foreign Office and Ministry of Defence official, who has repeatedly pressed ministers, including foreign secretary David Cameron, on the legal advice they have received, stood by her comments and called for the government to come clean.
“I remain convinced the government has completed its updated assessment on whether Israel is demonstrating a commitment to international humanitarian law, and that it has concluded that Israel is not demonstrating this commitment, which is the legal determination it has to make,” she said. “Transparency at this point is paramount, not least to uphold the international rules-based order.”
The revelation will place Lord Cameron and prime minister Rishi Sunak under intense pressure because any such legal advice would mean the UK had to cease all arms sales to Israel without delay.
Legal experts said that not to do so would risk putting the UK in breach of international law itself, as it would be seen as aiding and abetting war crimes by a country it was exporting arms to.
68% from US, 28% from Germany, which leaves 4% from everyone else.
I thinks those are percentages of their imports. They have substantial domestic supplies. Your source says "Israel has gone from being a net weapons importer to the world’s 10th-largest arms exporter."
Yes, those are percentages of imports. They make plenty locally.
It was a tragic waste of life for Ukraine to attack a larger army that had defense in depth, minefields and stronger artillery when Ukraine lacked armor or air superiority! Any fool could have predicted that.
My recommendation a year ago was for Ukraine to entrench and apply all resources to defense. Even then, it is tough to hold land that doesn’t have strong natural barriers.
There is no chance of Russia taking all of Ukraine, as the local resistance would be extreme in the west, but Russia will certainly gain more land than they have today.
The longer the war goes on, the more territory Russia will gain until they hit the Dnepr, which is tough to overcome. However, if the war lasts long enough, Odessa will fall too.
Whether Ukraine loses all access to the Black Sea or not is, in my view, the real remaining question. I recommend a negotiated settlement before that happens. 6:35 PM · Mar 30, 2024 · 115.2K View https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1774143429720596865?s=20
Elon’s been pushing Putin propaganda (whether out of ignorance of malice) for a while now. About the only thing you and he have in common.
Maybe hes more rational than you, not difficult by the way.
@Trent on the last thread you made an outrageous post which I responded to, but the thread ended so I repeat it here because I was gobsmacked by it:
You said 'The last years of peoples lives especially in dementia care homes can be utterly miserable. And we have to ask can we afford it.'
You said that without any solution. I asked if we decide we can't afford it what do you propose? We can't just exterminate people because of cost. That is an appalling suggestion.
People sign a document which states if they get dementia and it progresses past a certain point its fine for their life to be voluntarily brought to an end.
What is that point - who decides - frankly you are very unpleasant and clearly verging on supporting euthanasia for dementia
Dementia destroys lives not only of those with dementia but also the people around them however is something to bear in mind. My father has dementia, he is driving his girlfriend to an early grave she has now been described anti depressants. I have had official warnings from work because he does stupid shit and I need to take immediate time off by telling my boss sorry I need to go because he did something stupid.
How many people can he take down with him before those around him say enough? Or should we just drop contact and refuse responsibility when he is already an unrecogisable shell of himself?
My father in law died with dementia here in our home after months of distress for my wife and children and he passed way with his family around him as we held his hand
Additionally both my son in laws parents suffered dementia in homes for 4 years before both passing last year
There is no easy answer but euthanasia is not one of them
UK government lawyers say Israel is breaking international law, claims top Tory in leaked recording
Ex-Foreign Office and Ministry of Defence official Alicia Kearns said at a Tory fundraiser that legal advice would mean the UK has to cease all arms sales to Israel without delay
The British government has received advice from its own lawyers stating that Israel has breached international humanitarian law in Gaza but has failed to make it public, according to a leaked recording obtained by the Observer.
The comments, made by the Conservative chair of the House of Commons select committee on foreign affairs, Alicia Kearns, at a Tory fundraising event on 13 March are at odds with repeated ministerial denials and evasion on the issue.
On Saturday night, Kearns, a former Foreign Office and Ministry of Defence official, who has repeatedly pressed ministers, including foreign secretary David Cameron, on the legal advice they have received, stood by her comments and called for the government to come clean.
“I remain convinced the government has completed its updated assessment on whether Israel is demonstrating a commitment to international humanitarian law, and that it has concluded that Israel is not demonstrating this commitment, which is the legal determination it has to make,” she said. “Transparency at this point is paramount, not least to uphold the international rules-based order.”
The revelation will place Lord Cameron and prime minister Rishi Sunak under intense pressure because any such legal advice would mean the UK had to cease all arms sales to Israel without delay.
Legal experts said that not to do so would risk putting the UK in breach of international law itself, as it would be seen as aiding and abetting war crimes by a country it was exporting arms to.
It's nonsense like this which is why Israel is being so restrained and fighting this war with kid gloves and one hand tied behind its back.
They should be far more aggressive than they are. They should have gone into Rafah ages ago.
But I respect the way they're trying to minimise civilian casualties. Unlike Hamas who aim to maximise them. And Egypt and the rest of the world kettling Palestinians into the war zone with no escape or safe haven for refugees outside it, as would be granted in any other conflict.
Where do you swallow this propaganda, Bart? How is mass starvation minimising civilian casualties?
I don't endorse mass starvation and I don't believe Israel is responsible for it.
Hamas are the ones attacking aid convoys, not Israel.
Of course my preference would be for innocent Palestinians not be kettled into a war zone in part as getting aid into a war zone is very difficult.
Unfortunately while civilians in almost every other war are able to flee to safe ground outside the war zone, that right is being denied to Palestinians. For shame.
But it's not Israel denying them that right either.
It was a tragic waste of life for Ukraine to attack a larger army that had defense in depth, minefields and stronger artillery when Ukraine lacked armor or air superiority! Any fool could have predicted that.
My recommendation a year ago was for Ukraine to entrench and apply all resources to defense. Even then, it is tough to hold land that doesn’t have strong natural barriers.
There is no chance of Russia taking all of Ukraine, as the local resistance would be extreme in the west, but Russia will certainly gain more land than they have today.
The longer the war goes on, the more territory Russia will gain until they hit the Dnepr, which is tough to overcome. However, if the war lasts long enough, Odessa will fall too.
Whether Ukraine loses all access to the Black Sea or not is, in my view, the real remaining question. I recommend a negotiated settlement before that happens. 6:35 PM · Mar 30, 2024 · 115.2K View https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1774143429720596865?s=20
Elon’s been pushing Putin propaganda (whether out of ignorance of malice) for a while now. About the only thing you and he have in common.
Maybe hes more rational than you, not difficult by the way.
@Trent on the last thread you made an outrageous post which I responded to, but the thread ended so I repeat it here because I was gobsmacked by it:
You said 'The last years of peoples lives especially in dementia care homes can be utterly miserable. And we have to ask can we afford it.'
You said that without any solution. I asked if we decide we can't afford it what do you propose? We can't just exterminate people because of cost. That is an appalling suggestion.
People sign a document which states if they get dementia and it progresses past a certain point its fine for their life to be voluntarily brought to an end.
What is that point - who decides - frankly you are very unpleasant and clearly verging on supporting euthanasia for dementia
Have you seen the misery in dementia care homes. I have.
Of course I have and frankly your views disgust me
Well its a free country we are allowed to disagree. I regard my views as moral so your criticism doesnt concern me.
Moral? Moral? You want to exterminate people because of the cost. They were your words.
Perhaps it's overlooked the Vicar's notice, but it's MRS Zelensky, the First Lady of UKR, who is Orthodox and NOT her hubby.
Which explains methinks why their kids were baptized . . . but the President is NOT?
John 11:35
There are suggestions he converted to Christianity years ago.
'However, Boleslav Kapulkin, the spokesman for Chabad Lubavitch in Odessa, said that he is under the impression that Zelensky converted to Christianity.
“I don’t know for sure if he converted, but I heard that he mentioned that he is the godfather of his friends’ children, or that they are the godparents of his children, something like that,” Kapulkin said.
Indeed, five years ago, numerous Ukrainian news outlets reported that Zelensky christened his son Kirill in one of the oldest churches in the Ukrainian capital. As gifts, the baby received a Christian Bible and a cross on a chain.'
Pissed me off when the Vicar was smirking here on PB, that the Ukrainians had zero chance against Putin, and should just surrender (or words to that effect).
Still pisses me off.
Now pissing me off that the Vicar is spouting his typical horseshit about President Zelenskyy's personal religious beliefs.
It was a tragic waste of life for Ukraine to attack a larger army that had defense in depth, minefields and stronger artillery when Ukraine lacked armor or air superiority! Any fool could have predicted that.
My recommendation a year ago was for Ukraine to entrench and apply all resources to defense. Even then, it is tough to hold land that doesn’t have strong natural barriers.
There is no chance of Russia taking all of Ukraine, as the local resistance would be extreme in the west, but Russia will certainly gain more land than they have today.
The longer the war goes on, the more territory Russia will gain until they hit the Dnepr, which is tough to overcome. However, if the war lasts long enough, Odessa will fall too.
Whether Ukraine loses all access to the Black Sea or not is, in my view, the real remaining question. I recommend a negotiated settlement before that happens. 6:35 PM · Mar 30, 2024 · 115.2K View https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1774143429720596865?s=20
Elon’s been pushing Putin propaganda (whether out of ignorance of malice) for a while now. About the only thing you and he have in common.
Maybe hes more rational than you, not difficult by the way.
@Trent on the last thread you made an outrageous post which I responded to, but the thread ended so I repeat it here because I was gobsmacked by it:
You said 'The last years of peoples lives especially in dementia care homes can be utterly miserable. And we have to ask can we afford it.'
You said that without any solution. I asked if we decide we can't afford it what do you propose? We can't just exterminate people because of cost. That is an appalling suggestion.
People sign a document which states if they get dementia and it progresses past a certain point its fine for their life to be voluntarily brought to an end.
What is that point - who decides - frankly you are very unpleasant and clearly verging on supporting euthanasia for dementia
Dementia destroys lives not only of those with dementia but also the people around them however is something to bear in mind. My father has dementia, he is driving his girlfriend to an early grave she has now been described anti depressants. I have had official warnings from work because he does stupid shit and I need to take immediate time off by telling my boss sorry I need to go because he did something stupid.
How many people can he take down with him before those around him say enough? Or should we just drop contact and refuse responsibility when he is already an unrecogisable shell of himself?
Sympathies for your difficult situation Pagan.
I appreciate this was not the thrust of your post but just to say I think your employer (assuming you are employed and not a self-employed contractor) may be on dodgy ground if they are giving you official warnings when you suddenly have to take time off work to care for your father or deal with the effects of his condition. You might want to politely point out your rights.
It was a tragic waste of life for Ukraine to attack a larger army that had defense in depth, minefields and stronger artillery when Ukraine lacked armor or air superiority! Any fool could have predicted that.
My recommendation a year ago was for Ukraine to entrench and apply all resources to defense. Even then, it is tough to hold land that doesn’t have strong natural barriers.
There is no chance of Russia taking all of Ukraine, as the local resistance would be extreme in the west, but Russia will certainly gain more land than they have today.
The longer the war goes on, the more territory Russia will gain until they hit the Dnepr, which is tough to overcome. However, if the war lasts long enough, Odessa will fall too.
Whether Ukraine loses all access to the Black Sea or not is, in my view, the real remaining question. I recommend a negotiated settlement before that happens. 6:35 PM · Mar 30, 2024 · 115.2K View https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1774143429720596865?s=20
Elon’s been pushing Putin propaganda (whether out of ignorance of malice) for a while now. About the only thing you and he have in common.
Maybe hes more rational than you, not difficult by the way.
@Trent on the last thread you made an outrageous post which I responded to, but the thread ended so I repeat it here because I was gobsmacked by it:
You said 'The last years of peoples lives especially in dementia care homes can be utterly miserable. And we have to ask can we afford it.'
You said that without any solution. I asked if we decide we can't afford it what do you propose? We can't just exterminate people because of cost. That is an appalling suggestion.
People sign a document which states if they get dementia and it progresses past a certain point its fine for their life to be voluntarily brought to an end.
What is that point - who decides - frankly you are very unpleasant and clearly verging on supporting euthanasia for dementia
Dementia destroys lives not only of those with dementia but also the people around them however is something to bear in mind. My father has dementia, he is driving his girlfriend to an early grave she has now been described anti depressants. I have had official warnings from work because he does stupid shit and I need to take immediate time off by telling my boss sorry I need to go because he did something stupid.
How many people can he take down with him before those around him say enough? Or should we just drop contact and refuse responsibility when he is already an unrecogisable shell of himself?
My father in law died with dementia here in our home after months of distress for my wife and children and he passed way with his family around him as we held his hand
Additionally both my son in laws parents suffered dementia in homes for 4 years before both passing last year
There is no easy answer but euthanasia is not one of them
So what do you suggest we do, he is killing her via stress and her doctors have told her she needs to avoid it but she cant if she stays with him. His demands are putting my job on the line and if I get fired not going to be easy to find another as I am approaching 60. He is no longer rational, doesnt remember what he had for lunch 10 minutes after he ate it. He barely remembers us.
Should we abandon him to institutional care and just forget about him because he is only going to get worse.
It was a tragic waste of life for Ukraine to attack a larger army that had defense in depth, minefields and stronger artillery when Ukraine lacked armor or air superiority! Any fool could have predicted that.
My recommendation a year ago was for Ukraine to entrench and apply all resources to defense. Even then, it is tough to hold land that doesn’t have strong natural barriers.
There is no chance of Russia taking all of Ukraine, as the local resistance would be extreme in the west, but Russia will certainly gain more land than they have today.
The longer the war goes on, the more territory Russia will gain until they hit the Dnepr, which is tough to overcome. However, if the war lasts long enough, Odessa will fall too.
Whether Ukraine loses all access to the Black Sea or not is, in my view, the real remaining question. I recommend a negotiated settlement before that happens. 6:35 PM · Mar 30, 2024 · 115.2K View https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1774143429720596865?s=20
Elon’s been pushing Putin propaganda (whether out of ignorance of malice) for a while now. About the only thing you and he have in common.
Maybe hes more rational than you, not difficult by the way.
@Trent on the last thread you made an outrageous post which I responded to, but the thread ended so I repeat it here because I was gobsmacked by it:
You said 'The last years of peoples lives especially in dementia care homes can be utterly miserable. And we have to ask can we afford it.'
You said that without any solution. I asked if we decide we can't afford it what do you propose? We can't just exterminate people because of cost. That is an appalling suggestion.
People sign a document which states if they get dementia and it progresses past a certain point its fine for their life to be voluntarily brought to an end.
What is that point - who decides - frankly you are very unpleasant and clearly verging on supporting euthanasia for dementia
Dementia destroys lives not only of those with dementia but also the people around them however is something to bear in mind. My father has dementia, he is driving his girlfriend to an early grave she has now been described anti depressants. I have had official warnings from work because he does stupid shit and I need to take immediate time off by telling my boss sorry I need to go because he did something stupid.
How many people can he take down with him before those around him say enough? Or should we just drop contact and refuse responsibility when he is already an unrecogisable shell of himself?
Oh I agree with all of that. My mum's dementia was awful, particularly the angry stage where she was still ok but seeing non-existent people and the confusion made her very angry.
However @Trent's motivation for killing these people was cost. Quote 'We have to ask can we afford it'. How does that differ from Hitler or Pol Pot?
Pissed me off when the Vicar was smirking here on PB, that the Ukrainians had zero chance against Putin, and should just surrender (or words to that effect).
Still pisses me off.
Now pissing me off that the Vicar is spouting his typical horseshit about President Zelenskyy's personal religious beliefs.
HAVE YOU NO SHAME?
I never once said that, I said that as Ukraine was a non NATO member and we shouldn't send ground troops into Ukraine to fight Putin, only aid
Perhaps it's overlooked the Vicar's notice, but it's MRS Zelensky, the First Lady of UKR, who is Orthodox and NOT her hubby.
Which explains methinks why their kids were baptized . . . but the President is NOT?
John 11:35
There are suggestions he converted to Christianity years ago.
'However, Boleslav Kapulkin, the spokesman for Chabad Lubavitch in Odessa, said that he is under the impression that Zelensky converted to Christianity.
“I don’t know for sure if he converted, but I heard that he mentioned that he is the godfather of his friends’ children, or that they are the godparents of his children, something like that,” Kapulkin said.
Indeed, five years ago, numerous Ukrainian news outlets reported that Zelensky christened his son Kirill in one of the oldest churches in the Ukrainian capital. As gifts, the baby received a Christian Bible and a cross on a chain.'
Pissed me off when the Vicar was smirking here on PB, that the Ukrainians had zero chance against Putin, and should just surrender (or words to that effect).
Still pisses me off.
Now pissing me off that the Vicar is spouting his typical horseshit about President Zelenskyy's personal religious beliefs.
HAVE YOU NO SHAME?
I never once said that, I said that as Ukraine was a non NATO member and we shouldn't send ground troops into Ukraine to fight Putin, only aid
You are twisting your words yet again. As per usual.
It was a tragic waste of life for Ukraine to attack a larger army that had defense in depth, minefields and stronger artillery when Ukraine lacked armor or air superiority! Any fool could have predicted that.
My recommendation a year ago was for Ukraine to entrench and apply all resources to defense. Even then, it is tough to hold land that doesn’t have strong natural barriers.
There is no chance of Russia taking all of Ukraine, as the local resistance would be extreme in the west, but Russia will certainly gain more land than they have today.
The longer the war goes on, the more territory Russia will gain until they hit the Dnepr, which is tough to overcome. However, if the war lasts long enough, Odessa will fall too.
Whether Ukraine loses all access to the Black Sea or not is, in my view, the real remaining question. I recommend a negotiated settlement before that happens. 6:35 PM · Mar 30, 2024 · 115.2K View https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1774143429720596865?s=20
Elon’s been pushing Putin propaganda (whether out of ignorance of malice) for a while now. About the only thing you and he have in common.
Maybe hes more rational than you, not difficult by the way.
@Trent on the last thread you made an outrageous post which I responded to, but the thread ended so I repeat it here because I was gobsmacked by it:
You said 'The last years of peoples lives especially in dementia care homes can be utterly miserable. And we have to ask can we afford it.'
You said that without any solution. I asked if we decide we can't afford it what do you propose? We can't just exterminate people because of cost. That is an appalling suggestion.
People sign a document which states if they get dementia and it progresses past a certain point its fine for their life to be voluntarily brought to an end.
What is that point - who decides - frankly you are very unpleasant and clearly verging on supporting euthanasia for dementia
Dementia destroys lives not only of those with dementia but also the people around them however is something to bear in mind. My father has dementia, he is driving his girlfriend to an early grave she has now been described anti depressants. I have had official warnings from work because he does stupid shit and I need to take immediate time off by telling my boss sorry I need to go because he did something stupid.
How many people can he take down with him before those around him say enough? Or should we just drop contact and refuse responsibility when he is already an unrecogisable shell of himself?
Oh I agree with all of that. My mum's dementia was awful, particularly the angry stage where she was still ok but seeing non-existent people and the confusion made her very angry.
However @Trent's motivation for killing these people was cost. Quote 'We have to ask can we afford it'. How does that differ from Hitler or Pol Pot?
Mine is not about costs but currently he (and not his fault merely the disease) is destroying two other lives
It was a tragic waste of life for Ukraine to attack a larger army that had defense in depth, minefields and stronger artillery when Ukraine lacked armor or air superiority! Any fool could have predicted that.
My recommendation a year ago was for Ukraine to entrench and apply all resources to defense. Even then, it is tough to hold land that doesn’t have strong natural barriers.
There is no chance of Russia taking all of Ukraine, as the local resistance would be extreme in the west, but Russia will certainly gain more land than they have today.
The longer the war goes on, the more territory Russia will gain until they hit the Dnepr, which is tough to overcome. However, if the war lasts long enough, Odessa will fall too.
Whether Ukraine loses all access to the Black Sea or not is, in my view, the real remaining question. I recommend a negotiated settlement before that happens. 6:35 PM · Mar 30, 2024 · 115.2K View https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1774143429720596865?s=20
Elon’s been pushing Putin propaganda (whether out of ignorance of malice) for a while now. About the only thing you and he have in common.
Maybe hes more rational than you, not difficult by the way.
@Trent on the last thread you made an outrageous post which I responded to, but the thread ended so I repeat it here because I was gobsmacked by it:
You said 'The last years of peoples lives especially in dementia care homes can be utterly miserable. And we have to ask can we afford it.'
You said that without any solution. I asked if we decide we can't afford it what do you propose? We can't just exterminate people because of cost. That is an appalling suggestion.
People sign a document which states if they get dementia and it progresses past a certain point its fine for their life to be voluntarily brought to an end.
What is that point - who decides - frankly you are very unpleasant and clearly verging on supporting euthanasia for dementia
Dementia destroys lives not only of those with dementia but also the people around them however is something to bear in mind. My father has dementia, he is driving his girlfriend to an early grave she has now been described anti depressants. I have had official warnings from work because he does stupid shit and I need to take immediate time off by telling my boss sorry I need to go because he did something stupid.
How many people can he take down with him before those around him say enough? Or should we just drop contact and refuse responsibility when he is already an unrecogisable shell of himself?
Have you been in contact with social services about support?
It was a tragic waste of life for Ukraine to attack a larger army that had defense in depth, minefields and stronger artillery when Ukraine lacked armor or air superiority! Any fool could have predicted that.
My recommendation a year ago was for Ukraine to entrench and apply all resources to defense. Even then, it is tough to hold land that doesn’t have strong natural barriers.
There is no chance of Russia taking all of Ukraine, as the local resistance would be extreme in the west, but Russia will certainly gain more land than they have today.
The longer the war goes on, the more territory Russia will gain until they hit the Dnepr, which is tough to overcome. However, if the war lasts long enough, Odessa will fall too.
Whether Ukraine loses all access to the Black Sea or not is, in my view, the real remaining question. I recommend a negotiated settlement before that happens. 6:35 PM · Mar 30, 2024 · 115.2K View https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1774143429720596865?s=20
Elon’s been pushing Putin propaganda (whether out of ignorance of malice) for a while now. About the only thing you and he have in common.
Maybe hes more rational than you, not difficult by the way.
@Trent on the last thread you made an outrageous post which I responded to, but the thread ended so I repeat it here because I was gobsmacked by it:
You said 'The last years of peoples lives especially in dementia care homes can be utterly miserable. And we have to ask can we afford it.'
You said that without any solution. I asked if we decide we can't afford it what do you propose? We can't just exterminate people because of cost. That is an appalling suggestion.
People sign a document which states if they get dementia and it progresses past a certain point its fine for their life to be voluntarily brought to an end.
What is that point - who decides - frankly you are very unpleasant and clearly verging on supporting euthanasia for dementia
Dementia destroys lives not only of those with dementia but also the people around them however is something to bear in mind. My father has dementia, he is driving his girlfriend to an early grave she has now been described anti depressants. I have had official warnings from work because he does stupid shit and I need to take immediate time off by telling my boss sorry I need to go because he did something stupid.
How many people can he take down with him before those around him say enough? Or should we just drop contact and refuse responsibility when he is already an unrecogisable shell of himself?
My father in law died with dementia here in our home after months of distress for my wife and children and he passed way with his family around him as we held his hand
Additionally both my son in laws parents suffered dementia in homes for 4 years before both passing last year
There is no easy answer but euthanasia is not one of them
Sorry but it absolutely bloody is one of them if that's what the patient wants. If and only if that.
Would you support banning putting down dogs who are terminally sick? Why do we treat those who are sick and able to express their own interests with less sympathy and humanity than we do our pets?
It was a tragic waste of life for Ukraine to attack a larger army that had defense in depth, minefields and stronger artillery when Ukraine lacked armor or air superiority! Any fool could have predicted that.
My recommendation a year ago was for Ukraine to entrench and apply all resources to defense. Even then, it is tough to hold land that doesn’t have strong natural barriers.
There is no chance of Russia taking all of Ukraine, as the local resistance would be extreme in the west, but Russia will certainly gain more land than they have today.
The longer the war goes on, the more territory Russia will gain until they hit the Dnepr, which is tough to overcome. However, if the war lasts long enough, Odessa will fall too.
Whether Ukraine loses all access to the Black Sea or not is, in my view, the real remaining question. I recommend a negotiated settlement before that happens. 6:35 PM · Mar 30, 2024 · 115.2K View https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1774143429720596865?s=20
Elon’s been pushing Putin propaganda (whether out of ignorance of malice) for a while now. About the only thing you and he have in common.
Maybe hes more rational than you, not difficult by the way.
@Trent on the last thread you made an outrageous post which I responded to, but the thread ended so I repeat it here because I was gobsmacked by it:
You said 'The last years of peoples lives especially in dementia care homes can be utterly miserable. And we have to ask can we afford it.'
You said that without any solution. I asked if we decide we can't afford it what do you propose? We can't just exterminate people because of cost. That is an appalling suggestion.
People sign a document which states if they get dementia and it progresses past a certain point its fine for their life to be voluntarily brought to an end.
What is that point - who decides - frankly you are very unpleasant and clearly verging on supporting euthanasia for dementia
Dementia destroys lives not only of those with dementia but also the people around them however is something to bear in mind. My father has dementia, he is driving his girlfriend to an early grave she has now been described anti depressants. I have had official warnings from work because he does stupid shit and I need to take immediate time off by telling my boss sorry I need to go because he did something stupid.
How many people can he take down with him before those around him say enough? Or should we just drop contact and refuse responsibility when he is already an unrecogisable shell of himself?
Have you been in contact with social services about support?
They won't do anything nor will the doctors. All we can do is put him in a home but he has to agree to it which he wont
It was a tragic waste of life for Ukraine to attack a larger army that had defense in depth, minefields and stronger artillery when Ukraine lacked armor or air superiority! Any fool could have predicted that.
My recommendation a year ago was for Ukraine to entrench and apply all resources to defense. Even then, it is tough to hold land that doesn’t have strong natural barriers.
There is no chance of Russia taking all of Ukraine, as the local resistance would be extreme in the west, but Russia will certainly gain more land than they have today.
The longer the war goes on, the more territory Russia will gain until they hit the Dnepr, which is tough to overcome. However, if the war lasts long enough, Odessa will fall too.
Whether Ukraine loses all access to the Black Sea or not is, in my view, the real remaining question. I recommend a negotiated settlement before that happens. 6:35 PM · Mar 30, 2024 · 115.2K View https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1774143429720596865?s=20
Elon’s been pushing Putin propaganda (whether out of ignorance of malice) for a while now. About the only thing you and he have in common.
Maybe hes more rational than you, not difficult by the way.
@Trent on the last thread you made an outrageous post which I responded to, but the thread ended so I repeat it here because I was gobsmacked by it:
You said 'The last years of peoples lives especially in dementia care homes can be utterly miserable. And we have to ask can we afford it.'
You said that without any solution. I asked if we decide we can't afford it what do you propose? We can't just exterminate people because of cost. That is an appalling suggestion.
People sign a document which states if they get dementia and it progresses past a certain point its fine for their life to be voluntarily brought to an end.
What is that point - who decides - frankly you are very unpleasant and clearly verging on supporting euthanasia for dementia
Dementia destroys lives not only of those with dementia but also the people around them however is something to bear in mind. My father has dementia, he is driving his girlfriend to an early grave she has now been described anti depressants. I have had official warnings from work because he does stupid shit and I need to take immediate time off by telling my boss sorry I need to go because he did something stupid.
How many people can he take down with him before those around him say enough? Or should we just drop contact and refuse responsibility when he is already an unrecogisable shell of himself?
My father in law died with dementia here in our home after months of distress for my wife and children and he passed way with his family around him as we held his hand
Additionally both my son in laws parents suffered dementia in homes for 4 years before both passing last year
There is no easy answer but euthanasia is not one of them
So what do you suggest we do, he is killing her via stress and her doctors have told her she needs to avoid it but she cant if she stays with him. His demands are putting my job on the line and if I get fired not going to be easy to find another as I am approaching 60. He is no longer rational, doesnt remember what he had for lunch 10 minutes after he ate it. He barely remembers us.
Should we abandon him to institutional care and just forget about him because he is only going to get worse.
In our case we had continual social services monitoring the effect on our family but ultimately he contracted pneumonia and passed away
Not only did he not recognise us his personality changed completely
It is a hard decision but maybe in the interest of your family he needs to go into specialist dementia care
It was a tragic waste of life for Ukraine to attack a larger army that had defense in depth, minefields and stronger artillery when Ukraine lacked armor or air superiority! Any fool could have predicted that.
My recommendation a year ago was for Ukraine to entrench and apply all resources to defense. Even then, it is tough to hold land that doesn’t have strong natural barriers.
There is no chance of Russia taking all of Ukraine, as the local resistance would be extreme in the west, but Russia will certainly gain more land than they have today.
The longer the war goes on, the more territory Russia will gain until they hit the Dnepr, which is tough to overcome. However, if the war lasts long enough, Odessa will fall too.
Whether Ukraine loses all access to the Black Sea or not is, in my view, the real remaining question. I recommend a negotiated settlement before that happens. 6:35 PM · Mar 30, 2024 · 115.2K View https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1774143429720596865?s=20
Elon’s been pushing Putin propaganda (whether out of ignorance of malice) for a while now. About the only thing you and he have in common.
Maybe hes more rational than you, not difficult by the way.
@Trent on the last thread you made an outrageous post which I responded to, but the thread ended so I repeat it here because I was gobsmacked by it:
You said 'The last years of peoples lives especially in dementia care homes can be utterly miserable. And we have to ask can we afford it.'
You said that without any solution. I asked if we decide we can't afford it what do you propose? We can't just exterminate people because of cost. That is an appalling suggestion.
People sign a document which states if they get dementia and it progresses past a certain point its fine for their life to be voluntarily brought to an end.
What is that point - who decides - frankly you are very unpleasant and clearly verging on supporting euthanasia for dementia
Dementia destroys lives not only of those with dementia but also the people around them however is something to bear in mind. My father has dementia, he is driving his girlfriend to an early grave she has now been described anti depressants. I have had official warnings from work because he does stupid shit and I need to take immediate time off by telling my boss sorry I need to go because he did something stupid.
How many people can he take down with him before those around him say enough? Or should we just drop contact and refuse responsibility when he is already an unrecogisable shell of himself?
My father in law died with dementia here in our home after months of distress for my wife and children and he passed way with his family around him as we held his hand
Additionally both my son in laws parents suffered dementia in homes for 4 years before both passing last year
There is no easy answer but euthanasia is not one of them
Sorry but it absolutely bloody is one of them if that's what the patient wants. If and only if that.
Would you support banning putting down dogs who are terminally sick? Why do we treat those who are sick and able to express their own interests with less sympathy and humanity than we do our pets?
I would support it at maximum for those with terminal illness and less than 6 months to live, in severe pain and verified by doctors.
Any more than that and we risk the situation in Canada now, where even the mentally ill can seek euthanasia
It was a tragic waste of life for Ukraine to attack a larger army that had defense in depth, minefields and stronger artillery when Ukraine lacked armor or air superiority! Any fool could have predicted that.
My recommendation a year ago was for Ukraine to entrench and apply all resources to defense. Even then, it is tough to hold land that doesn’t have strong natural barriers.
There is no chance of Russia taking all of Ukraine, as the local resistance would be extreme in the west, but Russia will certainly gain more land than they have today.
The longer the war goes on, the more territory Russia will gain until they hit the Dnepr, which is tough to overcome. However, if the war lasts long enough, Odessa will fall too.
Whether Ukraine loses all access to the Black Sea or not is, in my view, the real remaining question. I recommend a negotiated settlement before that happens. 6:35 PM · Mar 30, 2024 · 115.2K View https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1774143429720596865?s=20
Elon’s been pushing Putin propaganda (whether out of ignorance of malice) for a while now. About the only thing you and he have in common.
Maybe hes more rational than you, not difficult by the way.
@Trent on the last thread you made an outrageous post which I responded to, but the thread ended so I repeat it here because I was gobsmacked by it:
You said 'The last years of peoples lives especially in dementia care homes can be utterly miserable. And we have to ask can we afford it.'
You said that without any solution. I asked if we decide we can't afford it what do you propose? We can't just exterminate people because of cost. That is an appalling suggestion.
People sign a document which states if they get dementia and it progresses past a certain point its fine for their life to be voluntarily brought to an end.
What is that point - who decides - frankly you are very unpleasant and clearly verging on supporting euthanasia for dementia
Dementia destroys lives not only of those with dementia but also the people around them however is something to bear in mind. My father has dementia, he is driving his girlfriend to an early grave she has now been described anti depressants. I have had official warnings from work because he does stupid shit and I need to take immediate time off by telling my boss sorry I need to go because he did something stupid.
How many people can he take down with him before those around him say enough? Or should we just drop contact and refuse responsibility when he is already an unrecogisable shell of himself?
My father in law died with dementia here in our home after months of distress for my wife and children and he passed way with his family around him as we held his hand
Additionally both my son in laws parents suffered dementia in homes for 4 years before both passing last year
There is no easy answer but euthanasia is not one of them
So what do you suggest we do, he is killing her via stress and her doctors have told her she needs to avoid it but she cant if she stays with him. His demands are putting my job on the line and if I get fired not going to be easy to find another as I am approaching 60. He is no longer rational, doesnt remember what he had for lunch 10 minutes after he ate it. He barely remembers us.
Should we abandon him to institutional care and just forget about him because he is only going to get worse.
In our case we had continual social services monitoring the effect on our family but ultimately he contracted pneumonia and passed away
Not only did he not recognise us his personality changed completely
It is a hard decision but maybe in the interest of your family he needs to go into specialist dementia care
Apparently he has to agree and he won't so we are stuck having to go and find him at 1am when we get a call saying he is waiting for a bus to goto a dentist appointment he doesn't have (the last incident)
The SNP as resilient as ever in this MRP. But, as others have noted, the model does not pick up some local factors (Edinburgh West, for example).
It would be cool to see a MRP with a sensible tactical voting adjustment made to it. Would produce some even more unlikely results, but provide a better feel for the actual totals. Difficult to get that adjustment right in Scotland.
As an aside, ignoring legal advice to continue providing arms to Israel provides Starmer with a great opportunity to attack the government on "law and order" grounds while simultaneously picking up more support from the left. He should take it.
Perhaps it's overlooked the Vicar's notice, but it's MRS Zelensky, the First Lady of UKR, who is Orthodox and NOT her hubby.
Which explains methinks why their kids were baptized . . . but the President is NOT?
John 11:35
There are suggestions he converted to Christianity years ago.
'However, Boleslav Kapulkin, the spokesman for Chabad Lubavitch in Odessa, said that he is under the impression that Zelensky converted to Christianity.
“I don’t know for sure if he converted, but I heard that he mentioned that he is the godfather of his friends’ children, or that they are the godparents of his children, something like that,” Kapulkin said.
Indeed, five years ago, numerous Ukrainian news outlets reported that Zelensky christened his son Kirill in one of the oldest churches in the Ukrainian capital. As gifts, the baby received a Christian Bible and a cross on a chain.'
It was a tragic waste of life for Ukraine to attack a larger army that had defense in depth, minefields and stronger artillery when Ukraine lacked armor or air superiority! Any fool could have predicted that.
My recommendation a year ago was for Ukraine to entrench and apply all resources to defense. Even then, it is tough to hold land that doesn’t have strong natural barriers.
There is no chance of Russia taking all of Ukraine, as the local resistance would be extreme in the west, but Russia will certainly gain more land than they have today.
The longer the war goes on, the more territory Russia will gain until they hit the Dnepr, which is tough to overcome. However, if the war lasts long enough, Odessa will fall too.
Whether Ukraine loses all access to the Black Sea or not is, in my view, the real remaining question. I recommend a negotiated settlement before that happens. 6:35 PM · Mar 30, 2024 · 115.2K View https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1774143429720596865?s=20
Elon’s been pushing Putin propaganda (whether out of ignorance of malice) for a while now. About the only thing you and he have in common.
Maybe hes more rational than you, not difficult by the way.
@Trent on the last thread you made an outrageous post which I responded to, but the thread ended so I repeat it here because I was gobsmacked by it:
You said 'The last years of peoples lives especially in dementia care homes can be utterly miserable. And we have to ask can we afford it.'
You said that without any solution. I asked if we decide we can't afford it what do you propose? We can't just exterminate people because of cost. That is an appalling suggestion.
People sign a document which states if they get dementia and it progresses past a certain point its fine for their life to be voluntarily brought to an end.
What is that point - who decides - frankly you are very unpleasant and clearly verging on supporting euthanasia for dementia
Dementia destroys lives not only of those with dementia but also the people around them however is something to bear in mind. My father has dementia, he is driving his girlfriend to an early grave she has now been described anti depressants. I have had official warnings from work because he does stupid shit and I need to take immediate time off by telling my boss sorry I need to go because he did something stupid.
How many people can he take down with him before those around him say enough? Or should we just drop contact and refuse responsibility when he is already an unrecogisable shell of himself?
Oh I agree with all of that. My mum's dementia was awful, particularly the angry stage where she was still ok but seeing non-existent people and the confusion made her very angry.
However @Trent's motivation for killing these people was cost. Quote 'We have to ask can we afford it'. How does that differ from Hitler or Pol Pot?
Mine is not about costs but currently he (and not his fault merely the disease) is destroying two other lives
Yes I know and you have my sympathy. We weren't going to put my mum into a home, but eventually there was no choice. The whole thing was awful. I won't bore you with all the stories, but we had incidents of her hitting my dad, I had to collect her from a neighbour on another occasion when she was causing havoc. I had her screaming down the phone at me another time. Luckily it was me who picked up the phone, but it meant we had to sit the children down and go through it all with them in case it happened to them one day. Awful stuff. The Alzheimer Society were a great help, if that helps.
80% of DTEK's energy capacity damaged, destroyed after Russian March attacks.
In March, Russian attacks damaged or completely destroyed 80% of the thermal generating capacity of Ukraine's largest private energy company, DTEK, the company's executive director said on March 30. 5:31 PM · Mar 30, 2024 · 115.4K Views
UK government lawyers say Israel is breaking international law, claims top Tory in leaked recording
Ex-Foreign Office and Ministry of Defence official Alicia Kearns said at a Tory fundraiser that legal advice would mean the UK has to cease all arms sales to Israel without delay
The British government has received advice from its own lawyers stating that Israel has breached international humanitarian law in Gaza but has failed to make it public, according to a leaked recording obtained by the Observer.
The comments, made by the Conservative chair of the House of Commons select committee on foreign affairs, Alicia Kearns, at a Tory fundraising event on 13 March are at odds with repeated ministerial denials and evasion on the issue.
On Saturday night, Kearns, a former Foreign Office and Ministry of Defence official, who has repeatedly pressed ministers, including foreign secretary David Cameron, on the legal advice they have received, stood by her comments and called for the government to come clean.
“I remain convinced the government has completed its updated assessment on whether Israel is demonstrating a commitment to international humanitarian law, and that it has concluded that Israel is not demonstrating this commitment, which is the legal determination it has to make,” she said. “Transparency at this point is paramount, not least to uphold the international rules-based order.”
The revelation will place Lord Cameron and prime minister Rishi Sunak under intense pressure because any such legal advice would mean the UK had to cease all arms sales to Israel without delay.
Legal experts said that not to do so would risk putting the UK in breach of international law itself, as it would be seen as aiding and abetting war crimes by a country it was exporting arms to.
It's nonsense like this which is why Israel is being so restrained and fighting this war with kid gloves and one hand tied behind its back.
They should be far more aggressive than they are. They should have gone into Rafah ages ago.
But I respect the way they're trying to minimise civilian casualties. Unlike Hamas who aim to maximise them. And Egypt and the rest of the world kettling Palestinians into the war zone with no escape or safe haven for refugees outside it, as would be granted in any other conflict.
Where do you swallow this propaganda, Bart? How is mass starvation minimising civilian casualties?
I don't endorse mass starvation and I don't believe Israel is responsible for it.
Hamas are the ones attacking aid convoys, not Israel.
Of course my preference would be for innocent Palestinians not be kettled into a war zone in part as getting aid into a war zone is very difficult.
Unfortunately while civilians in almost every other war are able to flee to safe ground outside the war zone, that right is being denied to Palestinians. For shame.
But it's not Israel denying them that right either.
Can inhabitants of Gaza flee into Israel (the country with which Gaza has its longest border)? No. That is because Israel is stopping them. One could also criticise Egypt, but that would be whataboutery.
It was a tragic waste of life for Ukraine to attack a larger army that had defense in depth, minefields and stronger artillery when Ukraine lacked armor or air superiority! Any fool could have predicted that.
My recommendation a year ago was for Ukraine to entrench and apply all resources to defense. Even then, it is tough to hold land that doesn’t have strong natural barriers.
There is no chance of Russia taking all of Ukraine, as the local resistance would be extreme in the west, but Russia will certainly gain more land than they have today.
The longer the war goes on, the more territory Russia will gain until they hit the Dnepr, which is tough to overcome. However, if the war lasts long enough, Odessa will fall too.
Whether Ukraine loses all access to the Black Sea or not is, in my view, the real remaining question. I recommend a negotiated settlement before that happens. 6:35 PM · Mar 30, 2024 · 115.2K View https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1774143429720596865?s=20
Elon’s been pushing Putin propaganda (whether out of ignorance of malice) for a while now. About the only thing you and he have in common.
Maybe hes more rational than you, not difficult by the way.
@Trent on the last thread you made an outrageous post which I responded to, but the thread ended so I repeat it here because I was gobsmacked by it:
You said 'The last years of peoples lives especially in dementia care homes can be utterly miserable. And we have to ask can we afford it.'
You said that without any solution. I asked if we decide we can't afford it what do you propose? We can't just exterminate people because of cost. That is an appalling suggestion.
People sign a document which states if they get dementia and it progresses past a certain point its fine for their life to be voluntarily brought to an end.
What is that point - who decides - frankly you are very unpleasant and clearly verging on supporting euthanasia for dementia
Dementia destroys lives not only of those with dementia but also the people around them however is something to bear in mind. My father has dementia, he is driving his girlfriend to an early grave she has now been described anti depressants. I have had official warnings from work because he does stupid shit and I need to take immediate time off by telling my boss sorry I need to go because he did something stupid.
How many people can he take down with him before those around him say enough? Or should we just drop contact and refuse responsibility when he is already an unrecogisable shell of himself?
My father in law died with dementia here in our home after months of distress for my wife and children and he passed way with his family around him as we held his hand
Additionally both my son in laws parents suffered dementia in homes for 4 years before both passing last year
There is no easy answer but euthanasia is not one of them
So what do you suggest we do, he is killing her via stress and her doctors have told her she needs to avoid it but she cant if she stays with him. His demands are putting my job on the line and if I get fired not going to be easy to find another as I am approaching 60. He is no longer rational, doesnt remember what he had for lunch 10 minutes after he ate it. He barely remembers us.
Should we abandon him to institutional care and just forget about him because he is only going to get worse.
Sadly that's exactly what happens.
My better half works in a care home. She cares a lot, sadly not all her colleagues do. She has volunteered a few times to hold the hands of those who are dying and been in the room a few times when people have finally passed away. She says she wants someone in there with them who cares, and it's too difficult for the families, that when it reaches that stage most families do stop visiting as it's too tough on them.
Every day residents beg to die. Many are miserable and want to die but can't.
It's an horrific end to life and she's made her wishes very clear to me that she'd rather die sooner than end up like that. Wouldn't wish it upon anyone.
It was a tragic waste of life for Ukraine to attack a larger army that had defense in depth, minefields and stronger artillery when Ukraine lacked armor or air superiority! Any fool could have predicted that.
My recommendation a year ago was for Ukraine to entrench and apply all resources to defense. Even then, it is tough to hold land that doesn’t have strong natural barriers.
There is no chance of Russia taking all of Ukraine, as the local resistance would be extreme in the west, but Russia will certainly gain more land than they have today.
The longer the war goes on, the more territory Russia will gain until they hit the Dnepr, which is tough to overcome. However, if the war lasts long enough, Odessa will fall too.
Whether Ukraine loses all access to the Black Sea or not is, in my view, the real remaining question. I recommend a negotiated settlement before that happens. 6:35 PM · Mar 30, 2024 · 115.2K View https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1774143429720596865?s=20
Elon’s been pushing Putin propaganda (whether out of ignorance of malice) for a while now. About the only thing you and he have in common.
Maybe hes more rational than you, not difficult by the way.
@Trent on the last thread you made an outrageous post which I responded to, but the thread ended so I repeat it here because I was gobsmacked by it:
You said 'The last years of peoples lives especially in dementia care homes can be utterly miserable. And we have to ask can we afford it.'
You said that without any solution. I asked if we decide we can't afford it what do you propose? We can't just exterminate people because of cost. That is an appalling suggestion.
People sign a document which states if they get dementia and it progresses past a certain point its fine for their life to be voluntarily brought to an end.
What is that point - who decides - frankly you are very unpleasant and clearly verging on supporting euthanasia for dementia
Dementia destroys lives not only of those with dementia but also the people around them however is something to bear in mind. My father has dementia, he is driving his girlfriend to an early grave she has now been described anti depressants. I have had official warnings from work because he does stupid shit and I need to take immediate time off by telling my boss sorry I need to go because he did something stupid.
How many people can he take down with him before those around him say enough? Or should we just drop contact and refuse responsibility when he is already an unrecogisable shell of himself?
Have you been in contact with social services about support?
They won't do anything nor will the doctors. All we can do is put him in a home but he has to agree to it which he wont
The doctors won’t/can’t diagnose him as unable to make decisions for himself?
It was a tragic waste of life for Ukraine to attack a larger army that had defense in depth, minefields and stronger artillery when Ukraine lacked armor or air superiority! Any fool could have predicted that.
My recommendation a year ago was for Ukraine to entrench and apply all resources to defense. Even then, it is tough to hold land that doesn’t have strong natural barriers.
There is no chance of Russia taking all of Ukraine, as the local resistance would be extreme in the west, but Russia will certainly gain more land than they have today.
The longer the war goes on, the more territory Russia will gain until they hit the Dnepr, which is tough to overcome. However, if the war lasts long enough, Odessa will fall too.
Whether Ukraine loses all access to the Black Sea or not is, in my view, the real remaining question. I recommend a negotiated settlement before that happens. 6:35 PM · Mar 30, 2024 · 115.2K View https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1774143429720596865?s=20
Elon’s been pushing Putin propaganda (whether out of ignorance of malice) for a while now. About the only thing you and he have in common.
Maybe hes more rational than you, not difficult by the way.
@Trent on the last thread you made an outrageous post which I responded to, but the thread ended so I repeat it here because I was gobsmacked by it:
You said 'The last years of peoples lives especially in dementia care homes can be utterly miserable. And we have to ask can we afford it.'
You said that without any solution. I asked if we decide we can't afford it what do you propose? We can't just exterminate people because of cost. That is an appalling suggestion.
People sign a document which states if they get dementia and it progresses past a certain point its fine for their life to be voluntarily brought to an end.
What is that point - who decides - frankly you are very unpleasant and clearly verging on supporting euthanasia for dementia
Have you seen the misery in dementia care homes. I have.
Yep my mum died of it in a care home. It wasn't pleasant. However that is no excuse for legalising murder because as you said 'We have to ask can we afford it'
'We have to ask can we afford it' Outrageous statement.
Can we afford prisons, the disabled, the old on pensions, people critically ill, etc, etc. Why not put them down as well because they are expensive.
Where would you like to draw the line. This is calling out for the use of Godwin's law. In mean literally this is Nazi stuff.
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I guess the point is that we already ration healthcare and as a nation we have decided that some life-prolonging treatments are too expensive. What’s a QALY worth these days?
But I agree that is very different to actively ending life on cost grounds.
Personally, if I get severe dementia, I would like my life to end early for dignity reasons, but cost should not come in to it.
UK government lawyers say Israel is breaking international law, claims top Tory in leaked recording
Ex-Foreign Office and Ministry of Defence official Alicia Kearns said at a Tory fundraiser that legal advice would mean the UK has to cease all arms sales to Israel without delay
The British government has received advice from its own lawyers stating that Israel has breached international humanitarian law in Gaza but has failed to make it public, according to a leaked recording obtained by the Observer.
The comments, made by the Conservative chair of the House of Commons select committee on foreign affairs, Alicia Kearns, at a Tory fundraising event on 13 March are at odds with repeated ministerial denials and evasion on the issue.
On Saturday night, Kearns, a former Foreign Office and Ministry of Defence official, who has repeatedly pressed ministers, including foreign secretary David Cameron, on the legal advice they have received, stood by her comments and called for the government to come clean.
“I remain convinced the government has completed its updated assessment on whether Israel is demonstrating a commitment to international humanitarian law, and that it has concluded that Israel is not demonstrating this commitment, which is the legal determination it has to make,” she said. “Transparency at this point is paramount, not least to uphold the international rules-based order.”
The revelation will place Lord Cameron and prime minister Rishi Sunak under intense pressure because any such legal advice would mean the UK had to cease all arms sales to Israel without delay.
Legal experts said that not to do so would risk putting the UK in breach of international law itself, as it would be seen as aiding and abetting war crimes by a country it was exporting arms to.
It's nonsense like this which is why Israel is being so restrained and fighting this war with kid gloves and one hand tied behind its back.
They should be far more aggressive than they are. They should have gone into Rafah ages ago.
But I respect the way they're trying to minimise civilian casualties. Unlike Hamas who aim to maximise them. And Egypt and the rest of the world kettling Palestinians into the war zone with no escape or safe haven for refugees outside it, as would be granted in any other conflict.
Where do you swallow this propaganda, Bart? How is mass starvation minimising civilian casualties?
I don't endorse mass starvation and I don't believe Israel is responsible for it.
Hamas are the ones attacking aid convoys, not Israel.
Of course my preference would be for innocent Palestinians not be kettled into a war zone in part as getting aid into a war zone is very difficult.
Unfortunately while civilians in almost every other war are able to flee to safe ground outside the war zone, that right is being denied to Palestinians. For shame.
But it's not Israel denying them that right either.
Can inhabitants of Gaza flee into Israel (the country with which Gaza has its longest border)? No. That is because Israel is stopping them. One could also criticise Egypt, but that would be whataboutery.
It was a tragic waste of life for Ukraine to attack a larger army that had defense in depth, minefields and stronger artillery when Ukraine lacked armor or air superiority! Any fool could have predicted that.
My recommendation a year ago was for Ukraine to entrench and apply all resources to defense. Even then, it is tough to hold land that doesn’t have strong natural barriers.
There is no chance of Russia taking all of Ukraine, as the local resistance would be extreme in the west, but Russia will certainly gain more land than they have today.
The longer the war goes on, the more territory Russia will gain until they hit the Dnepr, which is tough to overcome. However, if the war lasts long enough, Odessa will fall too.
Whether Ukraine loses all access to the Black Sea or not is, in my view, the real remaining question. I recommend a negotiated settlement before that happens. 6:35 PM · Mar 30, 2024 · 115.2K View https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1774143429720596865?s=20
Elon’s been pushing Putin propaganda (whether out of ignorance of malice) for a while now. About the only thing you and he have in common.
Maybe hes more rational than you, not difficult by the way.
@Trent on the last thread you made an outrageous post which I responded to, but the thread ended so I repeat it here because I was gobsmacked by it:
You said 'The last years of peoples lives especially in dementia care homes can be utterly miserable. And we have to ask can we afford it.'
You said that without any solution. I asked if we decide we can't afford it what do you propose? We can't just exterminate people because of cost. That is an appalling suggestion.
People sign a document which states if they get dementia and it progresses past a certain point its fine for their life to be voluntarily brought to an end.
What is that point - who decides - frankly you are very unpleasant and clearly verging on supporting euthanasia for dementia
Have you seen the misery in dementia care homes. I have.
The new generation of homes are much nicer (eg circular footprint with no corners).
But I guess they don’t have those in St Petersburg
It was a tragic waste of life for Ukraine to attack a larger army that had defense in depth, minefields and stronger artillery when Ukraine lacked armor or air superiority! Any fool could have predicted that.
My recommendation a year ago was for Ukraine to entrench and apply all resources to defense. Even then, it is tough to hold land that doesn’t have strong natural barriers.
There is no chance of Russia taking all of Ukraine, as the local resistance would be extreme in the west, but Russia will certainly gain more land than they have today.
The longer the war goes on, the more territory Russia will gain until they hit the Dnepr, which is tough to overcome. However, if the war lasts long enough, Odessa will fall too.
Whether Ukraine loses all access to the Black Sea or not is, in my view, the real remaining question. I recommend a negotiated settlement before that happens. 6:35 PM · Mar 30, 2024 · 115.2K View https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1774143429720596865?s=20
Elon’s been pushing Putin propaganda (whether out of ignorance of malice) for a while now. About the only thing you and he have in common.
Maybe hes more rational than you, not difficult by the way.
@Trent on the last thread you made an outrageous post which I responded to, but the thread ended so I repeat it here because I was gobsmacked by it:
You said 'The last years of peoples lives especially in dementia care homes can be utterly miserable. And we have to ask can we afford it.'
You said that without any solution. I asked if we decide we can't afford it what do you propose? We can't just exterminate people because of cost. That is an appalling suggestion.
People sign a document which states if they get dementia and it progresses past a certain point its fine for their life to be voluntarily brought to an end.
What is that point - who decides - frankly you are very unpleasant and clearly verging on supporting euthanasia for dementia
Dementia destroys lives not only of those with dementia but also the people around them however is something to bear in mind. My father has dementia, he is driving his girlfriend to an early grave she has now been described anti depressants. I have had official warnings from work because he does stupid shit and I need to take immediate time off by telling my boss sorry I need to go because he did something stupid.
How many people can he take down with him before those around him say enough? Or should we just drop contact and refuse responsibility when he is already an unrecogisable shell of himself?
My father in law died with dementia here in our home after months of distress for my wife and children and he passed way with his family around him as we held his hand
Additionally both my son in laws parents suffered dementia in homes for 4 years before both passing last year
There is no easy answer but euthanasia is not one of them
So what do you suggest we do, he is killing her via stress and her doctors have told her she needs to avoid it but she cant if she stays with him. His demands are putting my job on the line and if I get fired not going to be easy to find another as I am approaching 60. He is no longer rational, doesnt remember what he had for lunch 10 minutes after he ate it. He barely remembers us.
Should we abandon him to institutional care and just forget about him because he is only going to get worse.
Sadly that's exactly what happens.
My better half works in a care home. She cares a lot, sadly not all her colleagues do. She has volunteered a few times to hold the hands of those who are dying and been in the room a few times when people have finally passed away. She says she wants someone in there with them who cares, and it's too difficult for the families, that when it reaches that stage most families do stop visiting as it's too tough on them.
Every day residents beg to die. Many are miserable and want to die but can't.
It's an horrific end to life and she's made her wishes very clear to me that she'd rather die sooner than end up like that. Wouldn't wish it upon anyone.
I have held peoples hands while they die, in my case though as a volunteer and usually people who want to go but know the family will push to keep them alive. My father however thinks there is nothing wrong with him and refuses point blank any sort of intervention. He is not miserable he just is causing it in all around him by being stubborn and refusing any help.
AP (via Seattle Times) - Biden wins the North Dakota Democratic primary
BISMARCK, N.D. — President Joe Biden has won North Dakota’s Democratic presidential primary.
The state party on Saturday announced the results of the mostly mail-in primary. The party began circulating ballots in February to voters who asked for them.
Biden’s victory was virtually assured, though seven other candidates were on the primary ballot.
Former President Donald Trump won the North Dakota Republican Party’s March 4 presidential caucuses, taking all 29 delegates. . . .
NYT - with 100% reported:
Joseph R. Biden Jr. 840 92.4% 13 delegates Marianne Williamson 31 3.4% Dean Phillips 16 1.8% Cenk Uygur 13 1.4% Eban Cambridge 4 0.4% Stephen Lyons 3 0.3% Jason Palmer 2 0.2% Armando Perez-Serrato 0 0.0% Total reported 909
SSI - Calling a statewide vote, with less than a thousdand actual "votes" cast, is a truly bad joke.
Sad day for the (once) great Flickertail State.
BTW & FYI, a "flickertail" is a ground squirrel. Which makes perfect sense in this context!
It was a tragic waste of life for Ukraine to attack a larger army that had defense in depth, minefields and stronger artillery when Ukraine lacked armor or air superiority! Any fool could have predicted that.
My recommendation a year ago was for Ukraine to entrench and apply all resources to defense. Even then, it is tough to hold land that doesn’t have strong natural barriers.
There is no chance of Russia taking all of Ukraine, as the local resistance would be extreme in the west, but Russia will certainly gain more land than they have today.
The longer the war goes on, the more territory Russia will gain until they hit the Dnepr, which is tough to overcome. However, if the war lasts long enough, Odessa will fall too.
Whether Ukraine loses all access to the Black Sea or not is, in my view, the real remaining question. I recommend a negotiated settlement before that happens. 6:35 PM · Mar 30, 2024 · 115.2K View https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1774143429720596865?s=20
Elon’s been pushing Putin propaganda (whether out of ignorance of malice) for a while now. About the only thing you and he have in common.
Maybe hes more rational than you, not difficult by the way.
@Trent on the last thread you made an outrageous post which I responded to, but the thread ended so I repeat it here because I was gobsmacked by it:
You said 'The last years of peoples lives especially in dementia care homes can be utterly miserable. And we have to ask can we afford it.'
You said that without any solution. I asked if we decide we can't afford it what do you propose? We can't just exterminate people because of cost. That is an appalling suggestion.
People sign a document which states if they get dementia and it progresses past a certain point its fine for their life to be voluntarily brought to an end.
What is that point - who decides - frankly you are very unpleasant and clearly verging on supporting euthanasia for dementia
Dementia destroys lives not only of those with dementia but also the people around them however is something to bear in mind. My father has dementia, he is driving his girlfriend to an early grave she has now been described anti depressants. I have had official warnings from work because he does stupid shit and I need to take immediate time off by telling my boss sorry I need to go because he did something stupid.
How many people can he take down with him before those around him say enough? Or should we just drop contact and refuse responsibility when he is already an unrecogisable shell of himself?
My father in law died with dementia here in our home after months of distress for my wife and children and he passed way with his family around him as we held his hand
Additionally both my son in laws parents suffered dementia in homes for 4 years before both passing last year
There is no easy answer but euthanasia is not one of them
Sorry but it absolutely bloody is one of them if that's what the patient wants. If and only if that.
Would you support banning putting down dogs who are terminally sick? Why do we treat those who are sick and able to express their own interests with less sympathy and humanity than we do our pets?
I would support it at maximum for those with terminal illness and less than 6 months to live, in severe pain and verified by doctors.
Any more than that and we risk the situation in Canada now, where even the mentally ill can seek euthanasia
I think we should recognise the limitations of medical prognostication. You can't know whether someone has <6 months to live. (My aunt was given about 6 months to live... about 6 years ago.)
The big question for me is, why are the LibDems doing so badly? I want to see the Tories lose, but I would rather see the Libdems become the official opposition than see Labour with a 300 seat majority. Or even a 200 seat majority! I mean, most of the electorate now know in their gut that to vote Tory is to vote for a greater chance of dying of untreated cancer, but the Lib dems are still losing to them. If they aren't going to overtake them now, they will never do it - they might as well shut up shop.
Because the lib dems are neither liberal nor democratic and compulsive liars. No one wants to vote for a party like that. I would vote count binface rather than vote lib dem as would most
I know this is unfair of me because I backed off a long discussion on this before because of time but:
There are numerous LD posters here including myself and I know you don't think I am not liberal nor undemocratic nor a compulsive liar from our past discussions and I'm sure you don't think that of the other LD posters here who all come over as extremely reasonable (he says being unbiased )
So do you think we are all deluded to be taken in by illiberal, undemocratic liars?
I lived in slough for a long while, used to get ld leaflets through the door for elections, also had good friends in maidenhead they used to get ld leaflets too.....reading both sets you wouldn't believe they were from the same party because they were so often contradictory.
I believe most ld supporters here are sincere....I just don't think the party you support is sincere. I suspect 2/3 of ld votes in any election are mere protests and if you just had believers voting for you then you would come behind the greens.
We are the party. I am not just a supporter. In my time I have been an agent, a constituency chair and served on a regional executive. I think others here will have served similar roles, certainly there are some who have been councillors. I have met hundreds of members and MPs. They are not dishonest. They hold sincere convictions. Nobody joins the LDs for other motives. You don't join for power nor the money as we have neither.
UK government lawyers say Israel is breaking international law, claims top Tory in leaked recording
Ex-Foreign Office and Ministry of Defence official Alicia Kearns said at a Tory fundraiser that legal advice would mean the UK has to cease all arms sales to Israel without delay
The British government has received advice from its own lawyers stating that Israel has breached international humanitarian law in Gaza but has failed to make it public, according to a leaked recording obtained by the Observer.
The comments, made by the Conservative chair of the House of Commons select committee on foreign affairs, Alicia Kearns, at a Tory fundraising event on 13 March are at odds with repeated ministerial denials and evasion on the issue.
On Saturday night, Kearns, a former Foreign Office and Ministry of Defence official, who has repeatedly pressed ministers, including foreign secretary David Cameron, on the legal advice they have received, stood by her comments and called for the government to come clean.
“I remain convinced the government has completed its updated assessment on whether Israel is demonstrating a commitment to international humanitarian law, and that it has concluded that Israel is not demonstrating this commitment, which is the legal determination it has to make,” she said. “Transparency at this point is paramount, not least to uphold the international rules-based order.”
The revelation will place Lord Cameron and prime minister Rishi Sunak under intense pressure because any such legal advice would mean the UK had to cease all arms sales to Israel without delay.
Legal experts said that not to do so would risk putting the UK in breach of international law itself, as it would be seen as aiding and abetting war crimes by a country it was exporting arms to.
It's nonsense like this which is why Israel is being so restrained and fighting this war with kid gloves and one hand tied behind its back.
They should be far more aggressive than they are. They should have gone into Rafah ages ago.
But I respect the way they're trying to minimise civilian casualties. Unlike Hamas who aim to maximise them. And Egypt and the rest of the world kettling Palestinians into the war zone with no escape or safe haven for refugees outside it, as would be granted in any other conflict.
Where do you swallow this propaganda, Bart? How is mass starvation minimising civilian casualties?
I don't endorse mass starvation and I don't believe Israel is responsible for it.
Hamas are the ones attacking aid convoys, not Israel.
Of course my preference would be for innocent Palestinians not be kettled into a war zone in part as getting aid into a war zone is very difficult.
Unfortunately while civilians in almost every other war are able to flee to safe ground outside the war zone, that right is being denied to Palestinians. For shame.
But it's not Israel denying them that right either.
Can inhabitants of Gaza flee into Israel (the country with which Gaza has its longest border)? No. That is because Israel is stopping them. One could also criticise Egypt, but that would be whataboutery.
It's not whataboutery, in no war ever that I can recall have refugees all fled into the opposing nation fighting.
Do you expect Ukrainians to flee into Russia?
It's third party nations that offer refuge during war.
But according to your previous comments, Israel is targeting Hamas, not Gazans in general. So Israel is not an "opposing nation". Indeed, your post implies that you recognise Gaza as a nation, I think? Or Palestine? And that Israel has declared war?
Difficult to keep up with you. If I didn't know better, I'd think you were spouting any old nonsense to justify a disturbing bloodlust for innocent civilians.
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International law is about as meaningful as the pirate code.
Nations have always, and always will, treated it more like guidelines than actual rules.
https://www.survation.com/what-is-mrp/
https://www.survation.com/what-is-mrp/
Should have done a crossover in Midsomer. Feckin corpses everywhere. And that's just John Nettles acting
There are numerous LD posters here including myself and I know you don't think I am not liberal or undemocratic or a compulsive liar from our past discussions and I'm sure you don't think that of the other LD posters here who all come over as extremely reasonable (he says being unbiased
So do you think we are all deluded to be taken in by illiberal, undemocratic liars?
80% of DTEK's energy capacity damaged, destroyed after Russian March attacks.
In March, Russian attacks damaged or completely destroyed 80% of the thermal generating capacity of Ukraine's largest private energy company, DTEK, the company's executive director said on March 30.
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https://x.com/KyivIndependent/status/1774127344774480326?s=20
This links in to what Musk said today.
Israel is fighting an asymmetric war against an enemy that killed many Israelis in a sneak attack. Hamas's actions were horrendous, a war crime, but exaggerating the threat posed just makes you look silly. The IDF have walked over Gaza without any difficulty.
Not having a platform is definitely a thing though, I agree. An LD activist I know (who'd been a candidate, so pretty committed) has backed off because he says he doesn't know what the party is for any more.
Which explains methinks why their kids were baptized . . . but the President is NOT?
John 11:35
I believe most ld supporters here are sincere....I just don't think the party you support is sincere. I suspect 2/3 of ld votes in any election are mere protests and if you just had believers voting for you then you would come behind the greens.
That is not the same as someone voluntarily agreeing to have their life terminated. You said 'WE' that is you and me and others deciding to end another person's life. That is unacceptable and an outrageous suggestion. That is, as it stands until you get your way, murder.
For example, that you are all a pack of sex-crazed homicidal super-loonies.
68% from US, 28% from Germany, which leaves 4% from everyone else.
Musk is right that Ukraine is fighting with one hand tied behind its back. That’s as far as his rightness goes. Let’s untie that hand.
How many people can he take down with him before those around him say enough? Or should we just drop contact and refuse responsibility when he is already an unrecogisable shell of himself?
'We have to ask can we afford it' Outrageous statement.
Can we afford prisons, the disabled, the old on pensions, people critically ill, etc, etc. Why not put them down as well because they are expensive.
Where would you like to draw the line. This is calling out for the use of Godwin's law. In mean literally this is Nazi stuff.
By ending such Ballast Existences, we can save the country x hundred grams of animals fats*, y amount of money, z amount of work force effort. That can be repurposed to The National Goal of a bigger living room in The East
*they were always banging on about amounts of animals fats in their documents. Makes a dog of lard seem sinister, really.
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Donald, my offer to play golf still stands.
I’ll let you take three strokes off your game if you carry your own bag.
https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1774168075631210841
Additionally both my son in laws parents suffered dementia in homes for 4 years before both passing last year
There is no easy answer but euthanasia is not one of them
Hamas are the ones attacking aid convoys, not Israel.
Of course my preference would be for innocent Palestinians not be kettled into a war zone in part as getting aid into a war zone is very difficult.
Unfortunately while civilians in almost every other war are able to flee to safe ground outside the war zone, that right is being denied to Palestinians. For shame.
But it's not Israel denying them that right either.
'However, Boleslav Kapulkin, the spokesman for Chabad Lubavitch in Odessa, said that he is under the impression that Zelensky converted to Christianity.
“I don’t know for sure if he converted, but I heard that he mentioned that he is the godfather of his friends’ children, or that they are the godparents of his children, something like that,” Kapulkin said.
Indeed, five years ago, numerous Ukrainian news outlets reported that Zelensky christened his son Kirill in one of the oldest churches in the Ukrainian capital. As gifts, the baby received a Christian Bible and a cross on a chain.'
https://www.timesofisrael.com/is-ukraines-top-presidential-candidate-jewish-even-his-spokesman-wont-comment/
Still pisses me off.
Now pissing me off that the Vicar is spouting his typical horseshit about President Zelenskyy's personal religious beliefs.
HAVE YOU NO SHAME?
I appreciate this was not the thrust of your post but just to say I think your employer (assuming you are employed and not a self-employed contractor) may be on dodgy ground if they are giving you official warnings when you suddenly have to take time off work to care for your father or deal with the effects of his condition. You might want to politely point out your rights.
https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/work/time-off-work/time-off-work-overview/
Should we abandon him to institutional care and just forget about him because he is only going to get worse.
However @Trent's motivation for killing these people was cost. Quote 'We have to ask can we afford it'. How does that differ from Hitler or Pol Pot?
Spoiler alert: It's complicated, technically my kids are Catholics thanks to their mother but guess what they follow a halal diet.
Would you support banning putting down dogs who are terminally sick? Why do we treat those who are sick and able to express their own interests with less sympathy and humanity than we do our pets?
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Things will only get...oh, what's the point. If Sunak wants to lead his party off a cliff, good luck to him.
https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1774152366721216636
Not only did he not recognise us his personality changed completely
It is a hard decision but maybe in the interest of your family he needs to go into specialist dementia care
Any more than that and we risk the situation in Canada now, where even the mentally ill can seek euthanasia
It would be cool to see a MRP with a sensible tactical voting adjustment made to it. Would produce some even more unlikely results, but provide a better feel for the actual totals. Difficult to get that adjustment right in Scotland.
As an aside, ignoring legal advice to continue providing arms to Israel provides Starmer with a great opportunity to attack the government on "law and order" grounds while simultaneously picking up more support from the left. He should take it.
Do *you* condemn Putin for these crimes against humanity?
As for aid convoys getting into Gaza, I have to ask again what propaganda are you reading? Gaza could have all the aid it needed if Israel cooperated. Here's an AP summary of the situation (which Bart presumably thinks is all lies): https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-war-humanitarian-aid-gaza-1ce556a8a839803c8a1624b1b69b0a13
My better half works in a care home. She cares a lot, sadly not all her colleagues do. She has volunteered a few times to hold the hands of those who are dying and been in the room a few times when people have finally passed away. She says she wants someone in there with them who cares, and it's too difficult for the families, that when it reaches that stage most families do stop visiting as it's too tough on them.
Every day residents beg to die. Many are miserable and want to die but can't.
It's an horrific end to life and she's made her wishes very clear to me that she'd rather die sooner than end up like that. Wouldn't wish it upon anyone.
I guess the point is that we already ration healthcare and as a nation we have decided that some life-prolonging treatments are too expensive. What’s a QALY worth these days?
But I agree that is very different to actively ending life on cost grounds.
Personally, if I get severe dementia, I would like my life to end early for dignity reasons, but cost should not come in to it.
Steve
Do you expect Ukrainians to flee into Russia?
It's third party nations that offer refuge during war.
But I guess they don’t have those in St Petersburg
BISMARCK, N.D. — President Joe Biden has won North Dakota’s Democratic presidential primary.
The state party on Saturday announced the results of the mostly mail-in primary. The party began circulating ballots in February to voters who asked for them.
Biden’s victory was virtually assured, though seven other candidates were on the primary ballot.
Former President Donald Trump won the North Dakota Republican Party’s March 4 presidential caucuses, taking all 29 delegates. . . .
NYT - with 100% reported:
Joseph R. Biden Jr.
840 92.4% 13 delegates
Marianne Williamson
31 3.4%
Dean Phillips
16 1.8%
Cenk Uygur
13 1.4%
Eban Cambridge
4 0.4%
Stephen Lyons
3 0.3%
Jason Palmer
2 0.2%
Armando Perez-Serrato
0 0.0%
Total reported
909
SSI - Calling a statewide vote, with less than a thousdand actual "votes" cast, is a truly bad joke.
Sad day for the (once) great Flickertail State.
BTW & FYI, a "flickertail" is a ground squirrel. Which makes perfect sense in this context!
Such an overwhelming Labour majority is actually scary.
Just not as scary as leaving the Tories under any illusion that the country wants a bar of their bankrupt malfeasance.
Difficult to keep up with you. If I didn't know better, I'd think you were spouting any old nonsense to justify a disturbing bloodlust for innocent civilians.