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Happy first anniversay First Minister – politicalbetting.com

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edited March 29 in General
Happy first anniversay First Minister – politicalbetting.com

Humza Yousaf receives a ‘net’ negative rating of -15 from the public (29% favourable and 45% unfavourable). He's viewed a little more positively now than when he was running to be leader. Scottish Labour leader Anas Sarwar remains more popular with a ‘net’ rating of -7. (2/6) pic.twitter.com/3IsyR0cK6B

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  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 39,940
    First like the SNP?
  • AramintaMoonbeamQCAramintaMoonbeamQC Posts: 3,586
    edited March 29
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 27,150
    It will be interesting to see how the SNP vote holds up. I am very clear that things are better in Scotland than they are in England. "Better" is not the same as "good". In an election where the terrible state of the country is the big issue and Scotland not being immune from that, it will be interesting to see how the SNP message plays.

    Going off the leaflets received so far, that message is:
    Everything brilliant in Scotland is thanks to the SNP
    Everything awful in Scotland is thanks to the Tory government in Westminster
    If Scotland was independent we'd all be millionaires

    Will that resonate? After 17 years in office? Or will there be a protest vote against BOTH governments? Hard for the SNP to complain about the government when they are the other government. Both in office. Both failing the Scottish people...
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 39,556

    First like the SNP?

    Fourth, like the snow forecast for 4 April at present.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,234
    Has it really been a year ?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,234
    edited March 29
    In other Easter news.

    Taliban edict to resume stoning women to death met with horror
    https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2024/mar/28/taliban-edict-to-resume-stoning-women-to-death-met-with-horror
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 39,556
    edited March 29
    And crucially for the fight against woke, the Guardian calls Easter and Easter eggs Easter and Easter eggs.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/mar/29/mega-extra-chunky-luxurious-specia-easter-eggs-2024

    (And very best wishes to those of us commemorating and celebrating Easter in their churches and chapels.)
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,214
    Carnyx said:

    And crucially for the fight against woke, the Guardian calls Easter and Easter eggs Easter and Easter eggs.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/mar/29/mega-extra-chunky-luxurious-specia-easter-eggs-2024

    (And very best wishes to those of us commemorating and celebrating Easter in their churches and chapels.)

    Was Jesus a zombie?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,234
    Sure, there's a conflict of interest - but I'm not convinced he's done anything grossly wrong here ?

    Tory MP faces lobbying questions over Treasury committee role

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/mar/29/tory-mp-john-baron-faces-lobbying-questions-over-use-of-treasury-committee-role
    A senior Tory MP is facing questions over whether he used his Commons Treasury committee role to lobby for post-Brexit changes to City rules, which stand to benefit the industry where he has a second job.

    John Baron, who in addition to his role as an MP is co-owner and chief investment officer of Baron and Grant Investment Management, used at least three meetings of the influential committee to request “urgent” changes to rules covering investment trusts, which his firm specialises in managing.

    This includes two hearings with Jeremy Hunt on the chancellor’s autumn statement and spring budget. At one hearing this month, Baron called for “immediate action” and “fast-track legislation” to support the UK’s £260bn investment trust sector as part of the chancellor’s “Edinburgh reforms” deregulation package.

    He also used a December committee meeting with Nikhil Rathi, the chief executive of the Financial Conduct Authority (FCA), to ask for “assurance” that rapid action would be taken to “iron out these problems”.

    Baron declares his financial interests in the parliamentary register, including a stake of at least 15% in Baron and Grant, and a £500 payment for five hours’ work a month as chair of its investment committee.

    The MP told the chancellor that investors were “shunning” investment trusts and withdrawing money from the sector because of “overzealous regulation” that the government needed to change.

    Industry figures show that investment trust fundraising has collapsed from more than £70bn between 2014 and 2021 to less than £7bn in the past three years.

    Baron said he “always declared” his interests when raising this issue, which he said had “never been for personal gain”. His questions on the Treasury committee were in the interests of “the sector and investors alike, in the public interest”, he added...
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 39,556

    Carnyx said:

    And crucially for the fight against woke, the Guardian calls Easter and Easter eggs Easter and Easter eggs.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/mar/29/mega-extra-chunky-luxurious-specia-easter-eggs-2024

    (And very best wishes to those of us commemorating and celebrating Easter in their churches and chapels.)

    Was Jesus a zombie?
    Good heavens, what a thing to say!

    *startled*

    Doctrinally, I understand very much not.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 27,150
    edited March 29

    Carnyx said:

    And crucially for the fight against woke, the Guardian calls Easter and Easter eggs Easter and Easter eggs.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/mar/29/mega-extra-chunky-luxurious-specia-easter-eggs-2024

    (And very best wishes to those of us commemorating and celebrating Easter in their churches and chapels.)

    Was Jesus a zombie?
    No, an inverse-Zombie. He fed His body to other people.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 39,940
    edited March 29

    Carnyx said:

    And crucially for the fight against woke, the Guardian calls Easter and Easter eggs Easter and Easter eggs.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/mar/29/mega-extra-chunky-luxurious-specia-easter-eggs-2024

    (And very best wishes to those of us commemorating and celebrating Easter in their churches and chapels.)

    Was Jesus a zombie?
    Little bit of zombie, a touch of vampire


  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,100
    edited March 29
    I am not sure about an ajockalypse but I do think Labour will recover up to 30 seats in Scotland come the election. At one time that looked likely to be the difference between Labour having a working majority and not but the failure of the Tories to recover south of the border may make that less significant.

    What has happened on Yousaf's watch is a collapse in funding and donations which leaves the SNP pretty much insolvent (the central party is but continues to operate because the branches are not claiming the money that they are due). In recent elections, under Nicola, the SNP spent heavily on elections with bill boards and liveried mini buses getting out both the activists and the voters. They will not be doing that this time.

    In the last published accounts short money received by the SNP MPs amounted to roughly 10% of the parties' income. If they lose those MPs many of the fairly extravagant offices they have around Scotland will close making campaigning more difficult.

    The SNP government shares many of the same traits as the Tories at Westminster. They are tired, they are very short of ideas, they have no plans to address a multitude of problems such as the performance of the Health Service, Education, Social Services, the Police and Justice system, infrastructure, housing and, in Scotland's case, ferries. They are being dragged down by both the incompetence and dishonesty of those who have now reached the top. They obsess about relatively trivial things whilst the too hard pile grows ever higher. It is well past time for a change but Yousaf is safe until 2026.

  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 38,841
    Nigelb said:

    In other Easter news.

    Taliban edict to resume stoning women to death met with horror
    https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2024/mar/28/taliban-edict-to-resume-stoning-women-to-death-met-with-horror

    That's fine. After all: "It's a sinful world and are all sinners when we get the chance."
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 2,897
    Same age as Jeffrey Donaldson, oddly enough. Unrelated coincidences galore!
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 38,841
    I hate to reawaken the 'debate', but that picture of the Scottish Parliament on the threader tweet shows its hideousness.
  • ohnotnow said:

    Same age as Jeffrey Donaldson, oddly enough. Unrelated coincidences galore!
    He's trending on Twitter, he must be made up to be finally getting some recognition for all his years of hard work etc etc
  • IcarusIcarus Posts: 896

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    And crucially for the fight against woke, the Guardian calls Easter and Easter eggs Easter and Easter eggs.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/mar/29/mega-extra-chunky-luxurious-specia-easter-eggs-2024

    (And very best wishes to those of us commemorating and celebrating Easter in their churches and chapels.)

    Was Jesus a zombie?
    Good heavens, what a thing to say!

    *startled*

    Doctrinally, I understand very much not.
    The thing that annoys me about Easter is that we keep on getting told Jesus died for our sins, okay but he didn't stay dead right? So what exactly did he sacrifice?

    Jesus gave up his weekend for our sins, not much of a sacrifice if you ask me.
    Just reread Robert Graves' KIng Jesus - an excellent alternative account of his life
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 14,335

    Nigelb said:

    In other Easter news.

    Taliban edict to resume stoning women to death met with horror
    https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2024/mar/28/taliban-edict-to-resume-stoning-women-to-death-met-with-horror

    That's fine. After all: "It's a sinful world and are all sinners when we get the chance."
    Almost. As someone said,
    Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
    Wonder what became of him?

    Trouble is that living like that is blooming difficult. The difference between those who act holier than thou and those who actually are is partly how scrupulous they are about applying that principle to themselves.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,100
    Nigelb said:

    Sure, there's a conflict of interest - but I'm not convinced he's done anything grossly wrong here ?

    Tory MP faces lobbying questions over Treasury committee role

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/mar/29/tory-mp-john-baron-faces-lobbying-questions-over-use-of-treasury-committee-role
    A senior Tory MP is facing questions over whether he used his Commons Treasury committee role to lobby for post-Brexit changes to City rules, which stand to benefit the industry where he has a second job.

    John Baron, who in addition to his role as an MP is co-owner and chief investment officer of Baron and Grant Investment Management, used at least three meetings of the influential committee to request “urgent” changes to rules covering investment trusts, which his firm specialises in managing.

    This includes two hearings with Jeremy Hunt on the chancellor’s autumn statement and spring budget. At one hearing this month, Baron called for “immediate action” and “fast-track legislation” to support the UK’s £260bn investment trust sector as part of the chancellor’s “Edinburgh reforms” deregulation package.

    He also used a December committee meeting with Nikhil Rathi, the chief executive of the Financial Conduct Authority (FCA), to ask for “assurance” that rapid action would be taken to “iron out these problems”.

    Baron declares his financial interests in the parliamentary register, including a stake of at least 15% in Baron and Grant, and a £500 payment for five hours’ work a month as chair of its investment committee.

    The MP told the chancellor that investors were “shunning” investment trusts and withdrawing money from the sector because of “overzealous regulation” that the government needed to change.

    Industry figures show that investment trust fundraising has collapsed from more than £70bn between 2014 and 2021 to less than £7bn in the past three years.

    Baron said he “always declared” his interests when raising this issue, which he said had “never been for personal gain”. His questions on the Treasury committee were in the interests of “the sector and investors alike, in the public interest”, he added...

    Sounds to me like he is using his knowledge to do his job. Are the multitude of lawyers in the HoC ignoring a conflict when they legislate despite knowing something of the law?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,191
    edited March 29

    Nigelb said:

    In other Easter news.

    Taliban edict to resume stoning women to death met with horror
    https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2024/mar/28/taliban-edict-to-resume-stoning-women-to-death-met-with-horror

    That's fine. After all: "It's a sinful world and are all sinners when we get the chance."
    Yes, I too thought Foxy's earlier reply pretty glib. It's like saying that all the physical and sexual abuse in religious institutions, right through to not that long ago, is "unsurprising" because lots of TV presenters and teachers were at it at the same time.

    I agree with him however that it's about abuse of power. The point however is that having people going around claiming there's an all-powerful being on their side, particularly if they are given positions of social and cultural power rather than being more sensibly shunned as deluded nutters, tends toward such abuse.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 39,556
    edited March 29
    DavidL said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sure, there's a conflict of interest - but I'm not convinced he's done anything grossly wrong here ?

    Tory MP faces lobbying questions over Treasury committee role

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/mar/29/tory-mp-john-baron-faces-lobbying-questions-over-use-of-treasury-committee-role
    A senior Tory MP is facing questions over whether he used his Commons Treasury committee role to lobby for post-Brexit changes to City rules, which stand to benefit the industry where he has a second job.

    John Baron, who in addition to his role as an MP is co-owner and chief investment officer of Baron and Grant Investment Management, used at least three meetings of the influential committee to request “urgent” changes to rules covering investment trusts, which his firm specialises in managing.

    This includes two hearings with Jeremy Hunt on the chancellor’s autumn statement and spring budget. At one hearing this month, Baron called for “immediate action” and “fast-track legislation” to support the UK’s £260bn investment trust sector as part of the chancellor’s “Edinburgh reforms” deregulation package.

    He also used a December committee meeting with Nikhil Rathi, the chief executive of the Financial Conduct Authority (FCA), to ask for “assurance” that rapid action would be taken to “iron out these problems”.

    Baron declares his financial interests in the parliamentary register, including a stake of at least 15% in Baron and Grant, and a £500 payment for five hours’ work a month as chair of its investment committee.

    The MP told the chancellor that investors were “shunning” investment trusts and withdrawing money from the sector because of “overzealous regulation” that the government needed to change.

    Industry figures show that investment trust fundraising has collapsed from more than £70bn between 2014 and 2021 to less than £7bn in the past three years.

    Baron said he “always declared” his interests when raising this issue, which he said had “never been for personal gain”. His questions on the Treasury committee were in the interests of “the sector and investors alike, in the public interest”, he added...

    Sounds to me like he is using his knowledge to do his job. Are the multitude of lawyers in the HoC ignoring a conflict when they legislate despite knowing something of the law?
    On the other hand, he's demanding changes which will improve the turnover and value of his company. What I really don't understand is the claim that it had "never been for personal gain". Of course it was, even if one goes all Aristotelean about the nature of purpose [edit] and even if his primary concern was his industry.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 6,900

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    And crucially for the fight against woke, the Guardian calls Easter and Easter eggs Easter and Easter eggs.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/mar/29/mega-extra-chunky-luxurious-specia-easter-eggs-2024

    (And very best wishes to those of us commemorating and celebrating Easter in their churches and chapels.)

    Was Jesus a zombie?
    Good heavens, what a thing to say!

    *startled*

    Doctrinally, I understand very much not.
    The thing that annoys me about Easter is that we keep on getting told Jesus died for our sins, okay but he didn't stay dead right? So what exactly did he sacrifice?

    Jesus gave up his weekend for our sins, not much of a sacrifice if you ask me.
    He was resurrected with a whacking great hole in his side, give the guy a break!
    It was the shedding of blood on the cross that was the sacrifice - so that sinful man could enter the Kingdom of Heaven through faith in him and his sacrifice.
  • MuesliMuesli Posts: 90
    FPT

    Cookie said:

    Anyway. Happy Easter everyone.
    I bloody love Easter. Easter asks absolutely nothing of you. It doesn't give you a list of things to do; doesn't ask you to wear fancy dress, or to feel a certain emotion. Greetings cards companies might see a market for their product, but they're fooling no-one. All Easter does is come along without you really budgeting for it and gives you a lovely long weekend.
    I'm going to have a lie in tomorrow. Christ may be risen, but I'm not planning on following his example until gone 10.

    The rising will be on Sunday. I'm afraid the Friday didn't go that well for him.
    Could have been worse. Jesus was an ascetic and in fairly good shape so he survived longer on the cross than usual. A kind-hearted Roman soldier administered the coup de grace but missed his vital organs. Jesus was still alive when they took him to Gethsemane and sealed the tomb. Luckily, for Jesus, tomb robbers turned up on Saturday (when the locals were otherwise engaged) and had the freight of their lives when they rolled away the boulder and were met with a cheery 'Shalom' from a bloke in a shroud. They scarpered pdq and Jesus wandered off looking for a bite to eat. When Mary'n'Mary showed up on the Lord's Day they jumped to the obvious, if fallacious, conclusion. The rest, as they say, is History.
    I’ll have no truck with the suggestion that this is where the biblical expression ‘deliver us from evil’ originated.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 6,900
    DavidL said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sure, there's a conflict of interest - but I'm not convinced he's done anything grossly wrong here ?

    Tory MP faces lobbying questions over Treasury committee role

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/mar/29/tory-mp-john-baron-faces-lobbying-questions-over-use-of-treasury-committee-role
    A senior Tory MP is facing questions over whether he used his Commons Treasury committee role to lobby for post-Brexit changes to City rules, which stand to benefit the industry where he has a second job.

    John Baron, who in addition to his role as an MP is co-owner and chief investment officer of Baron and Grant Investment Management, used at least three meetings of the influential committee to request “urgent” changes to rules covering investment trusts, which his firm specialises in managing.

    This includes two hearings with Jeremy Hunt on the chancellor’s autumn statement and spring budget. At one hearing this month, Baron called for “immediate action” and “fast-track legislation” to support the UK’s £260bn investment trust sector as part of the chancellor’s “Edinburgh reforms” deregulation package.

    He also used a December committee meeting with Nikhil Rathi, the chief executive of the Financial Conduct Authority (FCA), to ask for “assurance” that rapid action would be taken to “iron out these problems”.

    Baron declares his financial interests in the parliamentary register, including a stake of at least 15% in Baron and Grant, and a £500 payment for five hours’ work a month as chair of its investment committee.

    The MP told the chancellor that investors were “shunning” investment trusts and withdrawing money from the sector because of “overzealous regulation” that the government needed to change.

    Industry figures show that investment trust fundraising has collapsed from more than £70bn between 2014 and 2021 to less than £7bn in the past three years.

    Baron said he “always declared” his interests when raising this issue, which he said had “never been for personal gain”. His questions on the Treasury committee were in the interests of “the sector and investors alike, in the public interest”, he added...

    Sounds to me like he is using his knowledge to do his job. Are the multitude of lawyers in the HoC ignoring a conflict when they legislate despite knowing something of the law?
    It's the sort of story Vorderman will get very excited about but it's a nothing and does a disservice to pointing out the plethora of wrong uns doing wrong
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 39,052
    ydoethur said:

    Nigelb said:

    In other Easter news.

    Taliban edict to resume stoning women to death met with horror
    https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2024/mar/28/taliban-edict-to-resume-stoning-women-to-death-met-with-horror

    That's fine. After all: "It's a sinful world and are all sinners when we get the chance."
    Almost. As someone said,
    Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
    Wonder what became of him?

    Trouble is that living like that is blooming difficult. The difference between those who act holier than thou and those who actually are is partly how scrupulous they are about applying that principle to themselves.
    A bishop and an archdeacon were visiting a Vicar.

    The Vicar offers sherry or whisky. The Bishop accepts a whisky.

    The vicar then turns to the Archdeacon, who snaps, 'Alcohol! Why, I'd rather commit adultery.'

    The Bishop hands back his glass. 'I didn't know that was the third option,' he says.
    That sounds like a Dave Allen.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,087

    ohnotnow said:

    Same age as Jeffrey Donaldson, oddly enough. Unrelated coincidences galore!
    He's trending on Twitter, he must be made up to be finally getting some recognition for all his years of hard work etc etc
    Ummm...
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,087
    kinabalu said:

    ydoethur said:

    Nigelb said:

    In other Easter news.

    Taliban edict to resume stoning women to death met with horror
    https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2024/mar/28/taliban-edict-to-resume-stoning-women-to-death-met-with-horror

    That's fine. After all: "It's a sinful world and are all sinners when we get the chance."
    Almost. As someone said,
    Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
    Wonder what became of him?

    Trouble is that living like that is blooming difficult. The difference between those who act holier than thou and those who actually are is partly how scrupulous they are about applying that principle to themselves.
    A bishop and an archdeacon were visiting a Vicar.

    The Vicar offers sherry or whisky. The Bishop accepts a whisky.

    The vicar then turns to the Archdeacon, who snaps, 'Alcohol! Why, I'd rather commit adultery.'

    The Bishop hands back his glass. 'I didn't know that was the third option,' he says.
    That sounds like a Dave Allen.
    I think it was actually written by Murray Watts, but similar sort of style.

    If you want Dave Allen and priests, here's a good one.

    https://youtu.be/S5w8D5JamAo?si=oFKV-Hu3uijQlz9o
  • mwadamsmwadams Posts: 3,134
    edited March 29
    Icarus said:

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    And crucially for the fight against woke, the Guardian calls Easter and Easter eggs Easter and Easter eggs.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/mar/29/mega-extra-chunky-luxurious-specia-easter-eggs-2024

    (And very best wishes to those of us commemorating and celebrating Easter in their churches and chapels.)

    Was Jesus a zombie?
    Good heavens, what a thing to say!

    *startled*

    Doctrinally, I understand very much not.
    The thing that annoys me about Easter is that we keep on getting told Jesus died for our sins, okay but he didn't stay dead right? So what exactly did he sacrifice?

    Jesus gave up his weekend for our sins, not much of a sacrifice if you ask me.
    Just reread Robert Graves' KIng Jesus - an excellent alternative account of his life
    "Mark", (from arrival in Jerusalem to empty tomb, at any rate) is a really interesting account of how the authorities were desperately trying to whack-a-mole a bunch of revolutionaries, and just about keeping a lid on things (for about 20 years until it all goes tits up in the author's time).
  • LeonLeon Posts: 46,662
    edited March 29

    I hate to reawaken the 'debate', but that picture of the Scottish Parliament on the threader tweet shows its hideousness.

    It’s the stupid pistol shaped things stuck on the side with own brand Asda glue. Even when I try hard to like it, those things shout at me.

    They are one of several aspects which make Holyrood look cheap and tacky. And given that it was horribly expensive, that is quite an achievement

    The most catastrophic modern building in the UK? I’d say probably yes. London has many utter horrors - the Walkie Talkie, Hayward Gallery, 22 Bishopsgate, that hotel by Tower Bridge - but London also has modern jewels - the Gherkin, the Lloyd’s Building, the Shard - and besides it is so huge and diverse it doesn’t matter. It absorbs the blows and moves on

    Edinburgh is much smaller and more delicate, a precious vase next to a grand old house like London. And the vase has been cracked several times recently - Holyrood, the Jobbie building, the Scotland museum. Pull them all down
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 38,841

    Nigelb said:

    In other Easter news.

    Taliban edict to resume stoning women to death met with horror
    https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2024/mar/28/taliban-edict-to-resume-stoning-women-to-death-met-with-horror

    That's fine. After all: "It's a sinful world and are all sinners when we get the chance."
    Almost. As someone said,
    Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
    Wonder what became of him?

    Trouble is that living like that is blooming difficult. The difference between those who act holier than thou and those who actually are is partly how scrupulous they are about applying that principle to themselves.
    I agree with that. Over the years I have set myself a vague moral framework that I *try* to follow. In most cases, it works quite well. for instance, I don't steal, and find it quite easy not to (then again, we have a good household income and savings, so the temptation isn't there...)

    But the main problem is that the framework is nebulous, as there are things that I haven't needed to give too much thought to. But in general I'm a fairly cautious person, and when asking: "Should I do this?" it is easy to slip in a little morality meter onto the question. But that has disadvantages too... It is all very messy, as many questions of morality and sin are.

    In addition, my 'framework' has lots of edge and corner cases that do not get much consideration as I don't encounter them.

    I make mistakes. Sometimes I 'sin' - in that I do something that is against my own moral framework. When I do, I try to either ask myself if it really was a 'sin' - if my framework requires fettling - or try to improve my behaviour and/or make amends. And I daresay sometimes I 'sin' without even realising I've 'sinned'.

    And as @Leon might say: "One man's sin is another man's joy."
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,191

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    And crucially for the fight against woke, the Guardian calls Easter and Easter eggs Easter and Easter eggs.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/mar/29/mega-extra-chunky-luxurious-specia-easter-eggs-2024

    (And very best wishes to those of us commemorating and celebrating Easter in their churches and chapels.)

    Was Jesus a zombie?
    Good heavens, what a thing to say!

    *startled*

    Doctrinally, I understand very much not.
    The thing that annoys me about Easter is that we keep on getting told Jesus died for our sins, okay but he didn't stay dead right? So what exactly did he sacrifice?

    Jesus gave up his weekend for our sins, not much of a sacrifice if you ask me.
    He was resurrected with a whacking great hole in his side, give the guy a break!
    It was the shedding of blood on the cross that was the sacrifice - so that sinful man could enter the Kingdom of Heaven through faith in him and his sacrifice.
    It all does at least prove one thing: that travelling back in time is impossible. Otherwise that area around that time would have been full of future time travellers stumbling around looking for the truth.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 5,878
    edited March 29
    Jacob Rees-Mogg's tweet on Thames Water is going down very well indeed. This might be the kind of populism that the Tories are looking for.

    Chapeau to @BartholomewRoberts who might be into something. If they extend it to some of the big housing developers, supermarkets etc...

    A bit like legislating for gay marriage, attacks on the private sector work better if they come from the right rather than the left.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 18,344
    Good morning everyone.

    Loving the UK-media-panic about Sausage Dogs being banned in Germany.

    ISTM the only place sausage dogs should be banned is in sausages.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-68689823
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 6,900
    IanB2 said:

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    And crucially for the fight against woke, the Guardian calls Easter and Easter eggs Easter and Easter eggs.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/mar/29/mega-extra-chunky-luxurious-specia-easter-eggs-2024

    (And very best wishes to those of us commemorating and celebrating Easter in their churches and chapels.)

    Was Jesus a zombie?
    Good heavens, what a thing to say!

    *startled*

    Doctrinally, I understand very much not.
    The thing that annoys me about Easter is that we keep on getting told Jesus died for our sins, okay but he didn't stay dead right? So what exactly did he sacrifice?

    Jesus gave up his weekend for our sins, not much of a sacrifice if you ask me.
    He was resurrected with a whacking great hole in his side, give the guy a break!
    It was the shedding of blood on the cross that was the sacrifice - so that sinful man could enter the Kingdom of Heaven through faith in him and his sacrifice.
    It all does at least prove one thing: that travelling back in time is impossible. Otherwise that area around that time would have been full of future time travellers stumbling around looking for the truth.
    Well, that's a debatable point! Depends on whether the effects of time travel can exist within a timeline before time travel is invented in that timeline. Or if the act of travelling in time creates a new timeline that we can never be part of unless or until we travel in time.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,565

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    And crucially for the fight against woke, the Guardian calls Easter and Easter eggs Easter and Easter eggs.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/mar/29/mega-extra-chunky-luxurious-specia-easter-eggs-2024

    (And very best wishes to those of us commemorating and celebrating Easter in their churches and chapels.)

    Was Jesus a zombie?
    Good heavens, what a thing to say!

    *startled*

    Doctrinally, I understand very much not.
    The thing that annoys me about Easter is that we keep on getting told Jesus died for our sins, okay but he didn't stay dead right? So what exactly did he sacrifice?

    Jesus gave up his weekend for our sins, not much of a sacrifice if you ask me.
    He was resurrected with a whacking great hole in his side, give the guy a break!
    It was the shedding of blood on the cross that was the sacrifice - so that sinful man could enter the Kingdom of Heaven through faith in him and his sacrifice.
    The Kingdom if Heaven must be a truly ghastly place. Generation upon generation of relatives you have no idea who they are or interest in, but you have to make polite smalltalk with for all eternity.

    And I bet there's no real ale. Probably just Madri lager. At £6 a pint.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 10,565

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    And crucially for the fight against woke, the Guardian calls Easter and Easter eggs Easter and Easter eggs.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/mar/29/mega-extra-chunky-luxurious-specia-easter-eggs-2024

    (And very best wishes to those of us commemorating and celebrating Easter in their churches and chapels.)

    Was Jesus a zombie?
    Good heavens, what a thing to say!

    *startled*

    Doctrinally, I understand very much not.
    The thing that annoys me about Easter is that we keep on getting told Jesus died for our sins, okay but he didn't stay dead right? So what exactly did he sacrifice?

    Jesus gave up his weekend for our sins, not much of a sacrifice if you ask me.
    He was resurrected with a whacking great hole in his side, give the guy a break!
    It was the shedding of blood on the cross that was the sacrifice - so that sinful man could enter the Kingdom of Heaven through faith in him and his sacrifice.
    The Kingdom if Heaven must be a truly ghastly place. Generation upon generation of relatives you have no idea who they are or interest in, but you have to make polite smalltalk with for all eternity.

    And I bet there's no real ale. Probably just Madri lager. At £6 a pint.
    If there is no real ale, I'm not going.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 46,662
    Guardian article about the sale of the Telegraph and Spectator. Manages to say “newspaper profits are down” while quietly admitting the Telegraph’s profits are up (and the Guardian makes a loss, which is not mentioned at all). The Telegraph is a model of how to run a modern newspaper and make it work; the Guardian is the opposite

    https://www.theguardian.com/media/2024/mar/29/telegraph-newspaper-redbird-imi-conservatives-britain
  • This week's average polling



    Has the Reform rise plateaued?
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 38,841

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    And crucially for the fight against woke, the Guardian calls Easter and Easter eggs Easter and Easter eggs.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/mar/29/mega-extra-chunky-luxurious-specia-easter-eggs-2024

    (And very best wishes to those of us commemorating and celebrating Easter in their churches and chapels.)

    Was Jesus a zombie?
    Good heavens, what a thing to say!

    *startled*

    Doctrinally, I understand very much not.
    The thing that annoys me about Easter is that we keep on getting told Jesus died for our sins, okay but he didn't stay dead right? So what exactly did he sacrifice?

    Jesus gave up his weekend for our sins, not much of a sacrifice if you ask me.
    He was resurrected with a whacking great hole in his side, give the guy a break!
    It was the shedding of blood on the cross that was the sacrifice - so that sinful man could enter the Kingdom of Heaven through faith in him and his sacrifice.
    The Kingdom if Heaven must be a truly ghastly place. Generation upon generation of relatives you have no idea who they are or interest in, but you have to make polite smalltalk with for all eternity.

    And I bet there's no real ale. Probably just Madri lager. At £6 a pint.
    I cannot see how 'Heaven' is supposed to work. It's a place you're supposed to go and be permanently happy.

    Take an aged relative of mine. She married fairly young, had kids, and then her husband died whilst their kids were young. She eventually remarried, and has been with her second husband for four or five decades.

    So the first husband will (presumably!) be up there waiting for her. Which would be blooming boring. But when she turns up, there'll be a second husband coming along soon (if he doesn't die first - that would be awkward (*)). People are what would make Heaven for me - having some of the people I love around me (hopefully!). But what if they want to spend eternity with another love, or other friends?

    I cannot see a way around this without theological hand-waving, or changing our characters in Heaven so we won't be 'us' any more, or having Heaven as a boring non-place.

    Perhaps 'The Good Place' had the right idea... ;)

    (*) "Hi, I'm Matthew." "Hi, I'm Neil. I'm waiting for Joyce. I want to spend eternity with her." "Oh, so am I." "I'm not really into threesomes." "No, neither am I" Cue an eternity of awkwardness...
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 6,900

    This week's average polling



    Has the Reform rise plateaued?

    Wouldn't be surprised, there's a natural limit to things without further catalyst
  • kjhkjh Posts: 10,565

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    And crucially for the fight against woke, the Guardian calls Easter and Easter eggs Easter and Easter eggs.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/mar/29/mega-extra-chunky-luxurious-specia-easter-eggs-2024

    (And very best wishes to those of us commemorating and celebrating Easter in their churches and chapels.)

    Was Jesus a zombie?
    Good heavens, what a thing to say!

    *startled*

    Doctrinally, I understand very much not.
    The thing that annoys me about Easter is that we keep on getting told Jesus died for our sins, okay but he didn't stay dead right? So what exactly did he sacrifice?

    Jesus gave up his weekend for our sins, not much of a sacrifice if you ask me.
    He was resurrected with a whacking great hole in his side, give the guy a break!
    It was the shedding of blood on the cross that was the sacrifice - so that sinful man could enter the Kingdom of Heaven through faith in him and his sacrifice.
    The Kingdom if Heaven must be a truly ghastly place. Generation upon generation of relatives you have no idea who they are or interest in, but you have to make polite smalltalk with for all eternity.

    And I bet there's no real ale. Probably just Madri lager. At £6 a pint.
    I cannot see how 'Heaven' is supposed to work. It's a place you're supposed to go and be permanently happy.

    Take an aged relative of mine. She married fairly young, had kids, and then her husband died whilst their kids were young. She eventually remarried, and has been with her second husband for four or five decades.

    So the first husband will (presumably!) be up there waiting for her. Which would be blooming boring. But when she turns up, there'll be a second husband coming along soon (if he doesn't die first - that would be awkward (*)). People are what would make Heaven for me - having some of the people I love around me (hopefully!). But what if they want to spend eternity with another love, or other friends?

    I cannot see a way around this without theological hand-waving, or changing our characters in Heaven so we won't be 'us' any more, or having Heaven as a boring non-place.

    Perhaps 'The Good Place' had the right idea... ;)

    (*) "Hi, I'm Matthew." "Hi, I'm Neil. I'm waiting for Joyce. I want to spend eternity with her." "Oh, so am I." "I'm not really into threesomes." "No, neither am I" Cue an eternity of awkwardness...
    I have only just found out there is no real ale in heaven and now you are telling me I might have to meet people whom I never want to meet again. This isn't selling it to me.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 5,878
    Eabhal said:

    Jacob Rees-Mogg's tweet on Thames Water is going down very well indeed. This might be the kind of populism that the Tories are looking for.

    Chapeau to @BartholomewRoberts who might be into something. If they extend it to some of the big housing developers, supermarkets etc...

    A bit like legislating for gay marriage, attacks on the private sector work better if they come from the right rather than the left.

    If Reform came out with "English owners for English water"...

    Crossover?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,087
    Eabhal said:

    Eabhal said:

    Jacob Rees-Mogg's tweet on Thames Water is going down very well indeed. This might be the kind of populism that the Tories are looking for.

    Chapeau to @BartholomewRoberts who might be into something. If they extend it to some of the big housing developers, supermarkets etc...

    A bit like legislating for gay marriage, attacks on the private sector work better if they come from the right rather than the left.

    If Reform came out with "English owners for English water"...

    Crossover?
    They're in a good position to deal with our water. They've been taking the piss out of us for years.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,191
    Leon said:

    Guardian article about the sale of the Telegraph and Spectator. Manages to say “newspaper profits are down” while quietly admitting the Telegraph’s profits are up (and the Guardian makes a loss, which is not mentioned at all). The Telegraph is a model of how to run a modern newspaper and make it work; the Guardian is the opposite

    https://www.theguardian.com/media/2024/mar/29/telegraph-newspaper-redbird-imi-conservatives-britain

    It's a newspaper?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 46,662
    The National Museum of Scotland. Not as bad as Holyrood… but still pretty bad



    What is all the stupid white crap on the top? Again it looks cheap and tacky. At least here you can see what the architect was TRYING to achieve, a certain dour military quality, hints of Scottish castles and Hadrian’s wall, of border abbeys and Kirkwall cathedral

    It is still a failure tho, and Edinburgh can only take so many failures before the whole thing is irrevocably damaged
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 6,900

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    And crucially for the fight against woke, the Guardian calls Easter and Easter eggs Easter and Easter eggs.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/mar/29/mega-extra-chunky-luxurious-specia-easter-eggs-2024

    (And very best wishes to those of us commemorating and celebrating Easter in their churches and chapels.)

    Was Jesus a zombie?
    Good heavens, what a thing to say!

    *startled*

    Doctrinally, I understand very much not.
    The thing that annoys me about Easter is that we keep on getting told Jesus died for our sins, okay but he didn't stay dead right? So what exactly did he sacrifice?

    Jesus gave up his weekend for our sins, not much of a sacrifice if you ask me.
    He was resurrected with a whacking great hole in his side, give the guy a break!
    It was the shedding of blood on the cross that was the sacrifice - so that sinful man could enter the Kingdom of Heaven through faith in him and his sacrifice.
    The Kingdom if Heaven must be a truly ghastly place. Generation upon generation of relatives you have no idea who they are or interest in, but you have to make polite smalltalk with for all eternity.

    And I bet there's no real ale. Probably just Madri lager. At £6 a pint.
    I cannot see how 'Heaven' is supposed to work. It's a place you're supposed to go and be permanently happy.

    Take an aged relative of mine. She married fairly young, had kids, and then her husband died whilst their kids were young. She eventually remarried, and has been with her second husband for four or five decades.

    So the first husband will (presumably!) be up there waiting for her. Which would be blooming boring. But when she turns up, there'll be a second husband coming along soon (if he doesn't die first - that would be awkward (*)). People are what would make Heaven for me - having some of the people I love around me (hopefully!). But what if they want to spend eternity with another love, or other friends?

    I cannot see a way around this without theological hand-waving, or changing our characters in Heaven so we won't be 'us' any more, or having Heaven as a boring non-place.

    Perhaps 'The Good Place' had the right idea... ;)

    (*) "Hi, I'm Matthew." "Hi, I'm Neil. I'm waiting for Joyce. I want to spend eternity with her." "Oh, so am I." "I'm not really into threesomes." "No, neither am I" Cue an eternity of awkwardness...
    The chance of after death existence having a 'homo sapiens' aspect to it is pretty much zero I'd think or indeed any experiences being limited by our comprehension of how we live life on Earth.
    The cloud angel, country club view of heaven was invented by priests to control the actions of King and Cotter down here.
    That's if you believe in continuing existence. Which I personally do.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 13,284

    This week's average polling



    Has the Reform rise plateaued?

    Wouldn't be surprised, there's a natural limit to things without further catalyst
    Not the first time Reform has had the rise taken out of it.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 38,841
    Leon said:

    The National Museum of Scotland. Not as bad as Holyrood… but still pretty bad



    What is all the stupid white crap on the top? Again it looks cheap and tacky. At least here you can see what the architect was TRYING to achieve, a certain dour military quality, hints of Scottish castles and Hadrian’s wall, of border abbeys and Kirkwall cathedral

    It is still a failure tho, and Edinburgh can only take so many failures before the whole thing is irrevocably damaged

    When were they expecting the invasion?

    That's a type of architecture I like to call 'blockhouse chic'...
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 5,878
    edited March 29
    Leon said:

    The National Museum of Scotland. Not as bad as Holyrood… but still pretty bad



    What is all the stupid white crap on the top? Again it looks cheap and tacky. At least here you can see what the architect was TRYING to achieve, a certain dour military quality, hints of Scottish castles and Hadrian’s wall, of border abbeys and Kirkwall cathedral

    It is still a failure tho, and Edinburgh can only take so many failures before the whole thing is irrevocably damaged

    I like it :)

    And deep inside, the Chessmen...
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 38,841

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    And crucially for the fight against woke, the Guardian calls Easter and Easter eggs Easter and Easter eggs.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/mar/29/mega-extra-chunky-luxurious-specia-easter-eggs-2024

    (And very best wishes to those of us commemorating and celebrating Easter in their churches and chapels.)

    Was Jesus a zombie?
    Good heavens, what a thing to say!

    *startled*

    Doctrinally, I understand very much not.
    The thing that annoys me about Easter is that we keep on getting told Jesus died for our sins, okay but he didn't stay dead right? So what exactly did he sacrifice?

    Jesus gave up his weekend for our sins, not much of a sacrifice if you ask me.
    He was resurrected with a whacking great hole in his side, give the guy a break!
    It was the shedding of blood on the cross that was the sacrifice - so that sinful man could enter the Kingdom of Heaven through faith in him and his sacrifice.
    The Kingdom if Heaven must be a truly ghastly place. Generation upon generation of relatives you have no idea who they are or interest in, but you have to make polite smalltalk with for all eternity.

    And I bet there's no real ale. Probably just Madri lager. At £6 a pint.
    I cannot see how 'Heaven' is supposed to work. It's a place you're supposed to go and be permanently happy.

    Take an aged relative of mine. She married fairly young, had kids, and then her husband died whilst their kids were young. She eventually remarried, and has been with her second husband for four or five decades.

    So the first husband will (presumably!) be up there waiting for her. Which would be blooming boring. But when she turns up, there'll be a second husband coming along soon (if he doesn't die first - that would be awkward (*)). People are what would make Heaven for me - having some of the people I love around me (hopefully!). But what if they want to spend eternity with another love, or other friends?

    I cannot see a way around this without theological hand-waving, or changing our characters in Heaven so we won't be 'us' any more, or having Heaven as a boring non-place.

    Perhaps 'The Good Place' had the right idea... ;)

    (*) "Hi, I'm Matthew." "Hi, I'm Neil. I'm waiting for Joyce. I want to spend eternity with her." "Oh, so am I." "I'm not really into threesomes." "No, neither am I" Cue an eternity of awkwardness...
    The chance of after death existence having a 'homo sapiens' aspect to it is pretty much zero I'd think or indeed any experiences being limited by our comprehension of how we live life on Earth.
    The cloud angel, country club view of heaven was invented by priests to control the actions of King and Cotter down here.
    That's if you believe in continuing existence. Which I personally do.
    Then that provokes a bigger problem: it would not be 'me' up there, as I would have changed beyond all recognition.
  • FishingFishing Posts: 4,560
    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    Guardian article about the sale of the Telegraph and Spectator. Manages to say “newspaper profits are down” while quietly admitting the Telegraph’s profits are up (and the Guardian makes a loss, which is not mentioned at all). The Telegraph is a model of how to run a modern newspaper and make it work; the Guardian is the opposite

    https://www.theguardian.com/media/2024/mar/29/telegraph-newspaper-redbird-imi-conservatives-britain

    It's a newspaper?
    It may have gone downhill, but I still think the Guardian just about qualifies as one.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 6,900

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    And crucially for the fight against woke, the Guardian calls Easter and Easter eggs Easter and Easter eggs.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/mar/29/mega-extra-chunky-luxurious-specia-easter-eggs-2024

    (And very best wishes to those of us commemorating and celebrating Easter in their churches and chapels.)

    Was Jesus a zombie?
    Good heavens, what a thing to say!

    *startled*

    Doctrinally, I understand very much not.
    The thing that annoys me about Easter is that we keep on getting told Jesus died for our sins, okay but he didn't stay dead right? So what exactly did he sacrifice?

    Jesus gave up his weekend for our sins, not much of a sacrifice if you ask me.
    He was resurrected with a whacking great hole in his side, give the guy a break!
    It was the shedding of blood on the cross that was the sacrifice - so that sinful man could enter the Kingdom of Heaven through faith in him and his sacrifice.
    The Kingdom if Heaven must be a truly ghastly place. Generation upon generation of relatives you have no idea who they are or interest in, but you have to make polite smalltalk with for all eternity.

    And I bet there's no real ale. Probably just Madri lager. At £6 a pint.
    I cannot see how 'Heaven' is supposed to work. It's a place you're supposed to go and be permanently happy.

    Take an aged relative of mine. She married fairly young, had kids, and then her husband died whilst their kids were young. She eventually remarried, and has been with her second husband for four or five decades.

    So the first husband will (presumably!) be up there waiting for her. Which would be blooming boring. But when she turns up, there'll be a second husband coming along soon (if he doesn't die first - that would be awkward (*)). People are what would make Heaven for me - having some of the people I love around me (hopefully!). But what if they want to spend eternity with another love, or other friends?

    I cannot see a way around this without theological hand-waving, or changing our characters in Heaven so we won't be 'us' any more, or having Heaven as a boring non-place.

    Perhaps 'The Good Place' had the right idea... ;)

    (*) "Hi, I'm Matthew." "Hi, I'm Neil. I'm waiting for Joyce. I want to spend eternity with her." "Oh, so am I." "I'm not really into threesomes." "No, neither am I" Cue an eternity of awkwardness...
    The chance of after death existence having a 'homo sapiens' aspect to it is pretty much zero I'd think or indeed any experiences being limited by our comprehension of how we live life on Earth.
    The cloud angel, country club view of heaven was invented by priests to control the actions of King and Cotter down here.
    That's if you believe in continuing existence. Which I personally do.
    Then that provokes a bigger problem: it would not be 'me' up there, as I would have changed beyond all recognition.
    Is it a problem? Just another phase of existence. You're only wedded to you as you are as long as you're you as you are, once you are not you are something else. Maybe we retain aspects of everything we have been. It's an adventure. Imo.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 10,565
    Leon said:

    The National Museum of Scotland. Not as bad as Holyrood… but still pretty bad



    What is all the stupid white crap on the top? Again it looks cheap and tacky. At least here you can see what the architect was TRYING to achieve, a certain dour military quality, hints of Scottish castles and Hadrian’s wall, of border abbeys and Kirkwall cathedral

    It is still a failure tho, and Edinburgh can only take so many failures before the whole thing is irrevocably damaged

    It is great inside though. A traditional museum as I used to remember them unlike several of the London museums (Am I becoming an old fogey?)
  • LeonLeon Posts: 46,662

    Leon said:

    The National Museum of Scotland. Not as bad as Holyrood… but still pretty bad



    What is all the stupid white crap on the top? Again it looks cheap and tacky. At least here you can see what the architect was TRYING to achieve, a certain dour military quality, hints of Scottish castles and Hadrian’s wall, of border abbeys and Kirkwall cathedral

    It is still a failure tho, and Edinburgh can only take so many failures before the whole thing is irrevocably damaged

    When were they expecting the invasion?

    That's a type of architecture I like to call 'blockhouse chic'...
    At least the architect used appropriate stone; I like the rosy Morayshire sandstone

    We can do beautiful modern civic buildings; an example is the Senedd in Cardiff. Went over budget but still only cost £60m compared to Holyrood’s insane £400m. The Senedd has a light, serene quality


  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,478
    ydoethur said:

    Eabhal said:

    Jacob Rees-Mogg's tweet on Thames Water is going down very well indeed. This might be the kind of populism that the Tories are looking for.

    Chapeau to @BartholomewRoberts who might be into something. If they extend it to some of the big housing developers, supermarkets etc...

    That tweet is disgusting, horrifying and appalling.

    Because it means I find myself in agreement with Jacob Rees-Mogg.
    Yes, and for me it's twice in one week:

    https://twitter.com/Jacob_Rees_Mogg/status/1772601259658191300?t=4JWBNPaxnk0gbmtzo3qRYQ&s=19

    Through the looking glass indeed.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 38,841

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    And crucially for the fight against woke, the Guardian calls Easter and Easter eggs Easter and Easter eggs.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/mar/29/mega-extra-chunky-luxurious-specia-easter-eggs-2024

    (And very best wishes to those of us commemorating and celebrating Easter in their churches and chapels.)

    Was Jesus a zombie?
    Good heavens, what a thing to say!

    *startled*

    Doctrinally, I understand very much not.
    The thing that annoys me about Easter is that we keep on getting told Jesus died for our sins, okay but he didn't stay dead right? So what exactly did he sacrifice?

    Jesus gave up his weekend for our sins, not much of a sacrifice if you ask me.
    He was resurrected with a whacking great hole in his side, give the guy a break!
    It was the shedding of blood on the cross that was the sacrifice - so that sinful man could enter the Kingdom of Heaven through faith in him and his sacrifice.
    The Kingdom if Heaven must be a truly ghastly place. Generation upon generation of relatives you have no idea who they are or interest in, but you have to make polite smalltalk with for all eternity.

    And I bet there's no real ale. Probably just Madri lager. At £6 a pint.
    I cannot see how 'Heaven' is supposed to work. It's a place you're supposed to go and be permanently happy.

    Take an aged relative of mine. She married fairly young, had kids, and then her husband died whilst their kids were young. She eventually remarried, and has been with her second husband for four or five decades.

    So the first husband will (presumably!) be up there waiting for her. Which would be blooming boring. But when she turns up, there'll be a second husband coming along soon (if he doesn't die first - that would be awkward (*)). People are what would make Heaven for me - having some of the people I love around me (hopefully!). But what if they want to spend eternity with another love, or other friends?

    I cannot see a way around this without theological hand-waving, or changing our characters in Heaven so we won't be 'us' any more, or having Heaven as a boring non-place.

    Perhaps 'The Good Place' had the right idea... ;)

    (*) "Hi, I'm Matthew." "Hi, I'm Neil. I'm waiting for Joyce. I want to spend eternity with her." "Oh, so am I." "I'm not really into threesomes." "No, neither am I" Cue an eternity of awkwardness...
    The chance of after death existence having a 'homo sapiens' aspect to it is pretty much zero I'd think or indeed any experiences being limited by our comprehension of how we live life on Earth.
    The cloud angel, country club view of heaven was invented by priests to control the actions of King and Cotter down here.
    That's if you believe in continuing existence. Which I personally do.
    Then that provokes a bigger problem: it would not be 'me' up there, as I would have changed beyond all recognition.
    Is it a problem? Just another phase of existence. You're only wedded to you as you are as long as you're you as you are, once you are not you are something else. Maybe we retain aspects of everything we have been. It's an adventure. Imo.
    It's sold as "If you're good, you go to Heaven."

    The problem is the second 'you'. I am me; my essence is my life. But what comes after is better and purer - if you go to Heaven, that is. If I don't have that essence, then I'm not me. I'm something else.
  • FishingFishing Posts: 4,560
    edited March 29
    Imagine how disastrous those already poor Scottish public sector approval ratings would be without English subsidies.

    Funny how Nationalists' wish for Independence never extends to refusing English cash.
  • Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    And crucially for the fight against woke, the Guardian calls Easter and Easter eggs Easter and Easter eggs.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/mar/29/mega-extra-chunky-luxurious-specia-easter-eggs-2024

    (And very best wishes to those of us commemorating and celebrating Easter in their churches and chapels.)

    Was Jesus a zombie?
    Good heavens, what a thing to say!

    *startled*

    Doctrinally, I understand very much not.
    The thing that annoys me about Easter is that we keep on getting told Jesus died for our sins, okay but he didn't stay dead right? So what exactly did he sacrifice?

    Jesus gave up his weekend for our sins, not much of a sacrifice if you ask me.
    He was resurrected with a whacking great hole in his side, give the guy a break!
    It was the shedding of blood on the cross that was the sacrifice - so that sinful man could enter the Kingdom of Heaven through faith in him and his sacrifice.
    The Kingdom if Heaven must be a truly ghastly place. Generation upon generation of relatives you have no idea who they are or interest in, but you have to make polite smalltalk with for all eternity.

    And I bet there's no real ale. Probably just Madri lager. At £6 a pint.
    I cannot see how 'Heaven' is supposed to work. It's a place you're supposed to go and be permanently happy.

    Take an aged relative of mine. She married fairly young, had kids, and then her husband died whilst their kids were young. She eventually remarried, and has been with her second husband for four or five decades.

    So the first husband will (presumably!) be up there waiting for her. Which would be blooming boring. But when she turns up, there'll be a second husband coming along soon (if he doesn't die first - that would be awkward (*)). People are what would make Heaven for me - having some of the people I love around me (hopefully!). But what if they want to spend eternity with another love, or other friends?

    I cannot see a way around this without theological hand-waving, or changing our characters in Heaven so we won't be 'us' any more, or having Heaven as a boring non-place.

    Perhaps 'The Good Place' had the right idea... ;)

    (*) "Hi, I'm Matthew." "Hi, I'm Neil. I'm waiting for Joyce. I want to spend eternity with her." "Oh, so am I." "I'm not really into threesomes." "No, neither am I" Cue an eternity of awkwardness...
    The chance of after death existence having a 'homo sapiens' aspect to it is pretty much zero I'd think or indeed any experiences being limited by our comprehension of how we live life on Earth.
    The cloud angel, country club view of heaven was invented by priests to control the actions of King and Cotter down here.
    That's if you believe in continuing existence. Which I personally do.
    Then that provokes a bigger problem: it would not be 'me' up there, as I would have changed beyond all recognition.
    Religion just makes life too complicated. For God to exist, everything we think we know scientifically has to go out of the window. He created the earth and everything on it so all the science we think we have about the big bang and evolution is a load of bollocks.
    I just can't get my head around it.
    I know personal incredulity is a fallacy, but it's where I'm at.
  • TrentTrent Posts: 150
    Another bad night in Ukraine sadly. Russia now concentrating on knocking out their entire energy infrastructure.

    Not looking good for Ukrainian energy infrastructure.

    Red hit in a span of the last 7 days and damaged, in many cases badly.

    Blue won't be hit due to them being nuclear power plants.

    Black Zaporozhye nuclear one is controlled by Russia.

    Right corner are Donetsk and Lugansk regions also controlled by Russia.

    https://x.com/talkrealopinion/status/1773477349415170098?s=20
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 38,841
    Foxy said:

    ydoethur said:

    Eabhal said:

    Jacob Rees-Mogg's tweet on Thames Water is going down very well indeed. This might be the kind of populism that the Tories are looking for.

    Chapeau to @BartholomewRoberts who might be into something. If they extend it to some of the big housing developers, supermarkets etc...

    That tweet is disgusting, horrifying and appalling.

    Because it means I find myself in agreement with Jacob Rees-Mogg.
    Yes, and for me it's twice in one week:

    https://twitter.com/Jacob_Rees_Mogg/status/1772601259658191300?t=4JWBNPaxnk0gbmtzo3qRYQ&s=19

    Through the looking glass indeed.
    Yeah, I disagree with JRM on that. Whilst there are undoubtedly problems with assisted dying, there are also massive problems in keeping people alive who no longer want to live, especially for health reasons. There has to be a better way, or even a compromise.

    It's another case where religious bigots are causing immense suffering.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 38,841
    Trent said:

    Another bad night in Ukraine sadly. Russia now concentrating on knocking out their entire energy infrastructure.

    Not looking good for Ukrainian energy infrastructure.

    Red hit in a span of the last 7 days and damaged, in many cases badly.

    Blue won't be hit due to them being nuclear power plants.

    Black Zaporozhye nuclear one is controlled by Russia.

    Right corner are Donetsk and Lugansk regions also controlled by Russia.

    https://x.com/talkrealopinion/status/1773477349415170098?s=20

    That twitter account looks like a classic Russian shill account.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 46,662
    Eabhal said:

    Leon said:

    The National Museum of Scotland. Not as bad as Holyrood… but still pretty bad



    What is all the stupid white crap on the top? Again it looks cheap and tacky. At least here you can see what the architect was TRYING to achieve, a certain dour military quality, hints of Scottish castles and Hadrian’s wall, of border abbeys and Kirkwall cathedral

    It is still a failure tho, and Edinburgh can only take so many failures before the whole thing is irrevocably damaged

    I like it :)

    And deep inside, the Chessmen...
    [insert caption]



  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 24,196
    Leon said:

    Guardian article about the sale of the Telegraph and Spectator. Manages to say “newspaper profits are down” while quietly admitting the Telegraph’s profits are up (and the Guardian makes a loss, which is not mentioned at all). The Telegraph is a model of how to run a modern newspaper and make it work; the Guardian is the opposite

    https://www.theguardian.com/media/2024/mar/29/telegraph-newspaper-redbird-imi-conservatives-britain

    The Telegraph sacked a load of columnists (there was something about it on pb) and gave all the money to a cartoonist.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 5,878
    Trent said:

    Another bad night in Ukraine sadly. Russia now concentrating on knocking out their entire energy infrastructure.

    Not looking good for Ukrainian energy infrastructure.

    Red hit in a span of the last 7 days and damaged, in many cases badly.

    Blue won't be hit due to them being nuclear power plants.

    Black Zaporozhye nuclear one is controlled by Russia.

    Right corner are Donetsk and Lugansk regions also controlled by Russia.

    https://x.com/talkrealopinion/status/1773477349415170098?s=20

    Skiddaw then Trent. Looking forward to "Dartmoor" and "TheWash".
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 6,900

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    And crucially for the fight against woke, the Guardian calls Easter and Easter eggs Easter and Easter eggs.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/mar/29/mega-extra-chunky-luxurious-specia-easter-eggs-2024

    (And very best wishes to those of us commemorating and celebrating Easter in their churches and chapels.)

    Was Jesus a zombie?
    Good heavens, what a thing to say!

    *startled*

    Doctrinally, I understand very much not.
    The thing that annoys me about Easter is that we keep on getting told Jesus died for our sins, okay but he didn't stay dead right? So what exactly did he sacrifice?

    Jesus gave up his weekend for our sins, not much of a sacrifice if you ask me.
    He was resurrected with a whacking great hole in his side, give the guy a break!
    It was the shedding of blood on the cross that was the sacrifice - so that sinful man could enter the Kingdom of Heaven through faith in him and his sacrifice.
    The Kingdom if Heaven must be a truly ghastly place. Generation upon generation of relatives you have no idea who they are or interest in, but you have to make polite smalltalk with for all eternity.

    And I bet there's no real ale. Probably just Madri lager. At £6 a pint.
    I cannot see how 'Heaven' is supposed to work. It's a place you're supposed to go and be permanently happy.

    Take an aged relative of mine. She married fairly young, had kids, and then her husband died whilst their kids were young. She eventually remarried, and has been with her second husband for four or five decades.

    So the first husband will (presumably!) be up there waiting for her. Which would be blooming boring. But when she turns up, there'll be a second husband coming along soon (if he doesn't die first - that would be awkward (*)). People are what would make Heaven for me - having some of the people I love around me (hopefully!). But what if they want to spend eternity with another love, or other friends?

    I cannot see a way around this without theological hand-waving, or changing our characters in Heaven so we won't be 'us' any more, or having Heaven as a boring non-place.

    Perhaps 'The Good Place' had the right idea... ;)

    (*) "Hi, I'm Matthew." "Hi, I'm Neil. I'm waiting for Joyce. I want to spend eternity with her." "Oh, so am I." "I'm not really into threesomes." "No, neither am I" Cue an eternity of awkwardness...
    The chance of after death existence having a 'homo sapiens' aspect to it is pretty much zero I'd think or indeed any experiences being limited by our comprehension of how we live life on Earth.
    The cloud angel, country club view of heaven was invented by priests to control the actions of King and Cotter down here.
    That's if you believe in continuing existence. Which I personally do.
    Then that provokes a bigger problem: it would not be 'me' up there, as I would have changed beyond all recognition.
    Is it a problem? Just another phase of existence. You're only wedded to you as you are as long as you're you as you are, once you are not you are something else. Maybe we retain aspects of everything we have been. It's an adventure. Imo.
    It's sold as "If you're good, you go to Heaven."

    The problem is the second 'you'. I am me; my essence is my life. But what comes after is better and purer - if you go to Heaven, that is. If I don't have that essence, then I'm not me. I'm something else.
    Never go for what they are selling you, have a browse at the good shit they are hiding out back
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 31,898

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    And crucially for the fight against woke, the Guardian calls Easter and Easter eggs Easter and Easter eggs.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/mar/29/mega-extra-chunky-luxurious-specia-easter-eggs-2024

    (And very best wishes to those of us commemorating and celebrating Easter in their churches and chapels.)

    Was Jesus a zombie?
    Good heavens, what a thing to say!

    *startled*

    Doctrinally, I understand very much not.
    The thing that annoys me about Easter is that we keep on getting told Jesus died for our sins, okay but he didn't stay dead right? So what exactly did he sacrifice?

    Jesus gave up his weekend for our sins, not much of a sacrifice if you ask me.
    He was resurrected with a whacking great hole in his side, give the guy a break!
    It was the shedding of blood on the cross that was the sacrifice - so that sinful man could enter the Kingdom of Heaven through faith in him and his sacrifice.
    The Kingdom if Heaven must be a truly ghastly place. Generation upon generation of relatives you have no idea who they are or interest in, but you have to make polite smalltalk with for all eternity.

    And I bet there's no real ale. Probably just Madri lager. At £6 a pint.
    I cannot see how 'Heaven' is supposed to work. It's a place you're supposed to go and be permanently happy.

    Take an aged relative of mine. She married fairly young, had kids, and then her husband died whilst their kids were young. She eventually remarried, and has been with her second husband for four or five decades.

    So the first husband will (presumably!) be up there waiting for her. Which would be blooming boring. But when she turns up, there'll be a second husband coming along soon (if he doesn't die first - that would be awkward (*)). People are what would make Heaven for me - having some of the people I love around me (hopefully!). But what if they want to spend eternity with another love, or other friends?

    I cannot see a way around this without theological hand-waving, or changing our characters in Heaven so we won't be 'us' any more, or having Heaven as a boring non-place.

    Perhaps 'The Good Place' had the right idea... ;)

    (*) "Hi, I'm Matthew." "Hi, I'm Neil. I'm waiting for Joyce. I want to spend eternity with her." "Oh, so am I." "I'm not really into threesomes." "No, neither am I" Cue an eternity of awkwardness...
    The chance of after death existence having a 'homo sapiens' aspect to it is pretty much zero I'd think or indeed any experiences being limited by our comprehension of how we live life on Earth.
    The cloud angel, country club view of heaven was invented by priests to control the actions of King and Cotter down here.
    That's if you believe in continuing existence. Which I personally do.
    Then that provokes a bigger problem: it would not be 'me' up there, as I would have changed beyond all recognition.
    Religion just makes life too complicated. For God to exist, everything we think we know scientifically has to go out of the window. He created the earth and everything on it so all the science we think we have about the big bang and evolution is a load of bollocks.
    I just can't get my head around it.
    I know personal incredulity is a fallacy, but it's where I'm at.
    Well, we're now 'sure' that the Universe, as we understand it, was created out of a Big Bang some 'n' thousand million years ago.
    Created out of what? And kicked off by what? Or by whom?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 24,196
    It is odd. Please try not to get the site sued just in case it's another *innocent face* job. Just occasionally there is smoke without fire.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 38,841

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    And crucially for the fight against woke, the Guardian calls Easter and Easter eggs Easter and Easter eggs.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/mar/29/mega-extra-chunky-luxurious-specia-easter-eggs-2024

    (And very best wishes to those of us commemorating and celebrating Easter in their churches and chapels.)

    Was Jesus a zombie?
    Good heavens, what a thing to say!

    *startled*

    Doctrinally, I understand very much not.
    The thing that annoys me about Easter is that we keep on getting told Jesus died for our sins, okay but he didn't stay dead right? So what exactly did he sacrifice?

    Jesus gave up his weekend for our sins, not much of a sacrifice if you ask me.
    He was resurrected with a whacking great hole in his side, give the guy a break!
    It was the shedding of blood on the cross that was the sacrifice - so that sinful man could enter the Kingdom of Heaven through faith in him and his sacrifice.
    The Kingdom if Heaven must be a truly ghastly place. Generation upon generation of relatives you have no idea who they are or interest in, but you have to make polite smalltalk with for all eternity.

    And I bet there's no real ale. Probably just Madri lager. At £6 a pint.
    I cannot see how 'Heaven' is supposed to work. It's a place you're supposed to go and be permanently happy.

    Take an aged relative of mine. She married fairly young, had kids, and then her husband died whilst their kids were young. She eventually remarried, and has been with her second husband for four or five decades.

    So the first husband will (presumably!) be up there waiting for her. Which would be blooming boring. But when she turns up, there'll be a second husband coming along soon (if he doesn't die first - that would be awkward (*)). People are what would make Heaven for me - having some of the people I love around me (hopefully!). But what if they want to spend eternity with another love, or other friends?

    I cannot see a way around this without theological hand-waving, or changing our characters in Heaven so we won't be 'us' any more, or having Heaven as a boring non-place.

    Perhaps 'The Good Place' had the right idea... ;)

    (*) "Hi, I'm Matthew." "Hi, I'm Neil. I'm waiting for Joyce. I want to spend eternity with her." "Oh, so am I." "I'm not really into threesomes." "No, neither am I" Cue an eternity of awkwardness...
    The chance of after death existence having a 'homo sapiens' aspect to it is pretty much zero I'd think or indeed any experiences being limited by our comprehension of how we live life on Earth.
    The cloud angel, country club view of heaven was invented by priests to control the actions of King and Cotter down here.
    That's if you believe in continuing existence. Which I personally do.
    Then that provokes a bigger problem: it would not be 'me' up there, as I would have changed beyond all recognition.
    Religion just makes life too complicated. For God to exist, everything we think we know scientifically has to go out of the window. He created the earth and everything on it so all the science we think we have about the big bang and evolution is a load of bollocks.
    I just can't get my head around it.
    I know personal incredulity is a fallacy, but it's where I'm at.
    Many moons ago, I read a book (*) that dipped into this theological question. How can you maintain religion and faith as science explains more and more? If the Big Bang created the universe, where was God?

    The answer, essentially, was "Who lit the Big Bang's fuse?'

    There is always room for faith and belief in the unknown.

    (*) Perhaps Wolfe's 'The Right Stuff', but probably misremembering.
  • No_Offence_AlanNo_Offence_Alan Posts: 3,796
    kjh said:

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    And crucially for the fight against woke, the Guardian calls Easter and Easter eggs Easter and Easter eggs.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/mar/29/mega-extra-chunky-luxurious-specia-easter-eggs-2024

    (And very best wishes to those of us commemorating and celebrating Easter in their churches and chapels.)

    Was Jesus a zombie?
    Good heavens, what a thing to say!

    *startled*

    Doctrinally, I understand very much not.
    The thing that annoys me about Easter is that we keep on getting told Jesus died for our sins, okay but he didn't stay dead right? So what exactly did he sacrifice?

    Jesus gave up his weekend for our sins, not much of a sacrifice if you ask me.
    He was resurrected with a whacking great hole in his side, give the guy a break!
    It was the shedding of blood on the cross that was the sacrifice - so that sinful man could enter the Kingdom of Heaven through faith in him and his sacrifice.
    The Kingdom if Heaven must be a truly ghastly place. Generation upon generation of relatives you have no idea who they are or interest in, but you have to make polite smalltalk with for all eternity.

    And I bet there's no real ale. Probably just Madri lager. At £6 a pint.
    I cannot see how 'Heaven' is supposed to work. It's a place you're supposed to go and be permanently happy.

    Take an aged relative of mine. She married fairly young, had kids, and then her husband died whilst their kids were young. She eventually remarried, and has been with her second husband for four or five decades.

    So the first husband will (presumably!) be up there waiting for her. Which would be blooming boring. But when she turns up, there'll be a second husband coming along soon (if he doesn't die first - that would be awkward (*)). People are what would make Heaven for me - having some of the people I love around me (hopefully!). But what if they want to spend eternity with another love, or other friends?

    I cannot see a way around this without theological hand-waving, or changing our characters in Heaven so we won't be 'us' any more, or having Heaven as a boring non-place.

    Perhaps 'The Good Place' had the right idea... ;)

    (*) "Hi, I'm Matthew." "Hi, I'm Neil. I'm waiting for Joyce. I want to spend eternity with her." "Oh, so am I." "I'm not really into threesomes." "No, neither am I" Cue an eternity of awkwardness...
    I have only just found out there is no real ale in heaven and now you are telling me I might have to meet people whom I never want to meet again. This isn't selling it to me.
    As an atheist, my view of Heaven is simply dying with a clean conscience.
  • TrentTrent Posts: 150

    Trent said:

    Another bad night in Ukraine sadly. Russia now concentrating on knocking out their entire energy infrastructure.

    Not looking good for Ukrainian energy infrastructure.

    Red hit in a span of the last 7 days and damaged, in many cases badly.

    Blue won't be hit due to them being nuclear power plants.

    Black Zaporozhye nuclear one is controlled by Russia.

    Right corner are Donetsk and Lugansk regions also controlled by Russia.

    https://x.com/talkrealopinion/status/1773477349415170098?s=20

    That twitter account looks like a classic Russian shill account.
    Ok this is from jay in kyiv a pro ukraine account.

    Ukraine now lacking air defense, Russians were able to target power plants all over the country last night, leaving millions without electricity and water.

    Russians are making Ukraine uninhabitable with the complicity of a US Congress captured by Russian interests.

    Thanks to one man
    @SpeakerJohnson
    5:01 AM · Mar 29, 2024
    ·
    57.1K
    Views

    https://x.com/JayinKyiv/status/1773576069775278412?s=20
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,184

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    And crucially for the fight against woke, the Guardian calls Easter and Easter eggs Easter and Easter eggs.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/mar/29/mega-extra-chunky-luxurious-specia-easter-eggs-2024

    (And very best wishes to those of us commemorating and celebrating Easter in their churches and chapels.)

    Was Jesus a zombie?
    Good heavens, what a thing to say!

    *startled*

    Doctrinally, I understand very much not.
    The thing that annoys me about Easter is that we keep on getting told Jesus died for our sins, okay but he didn't stay dead right? So what exactly did he sacrifice?

    Jesus gave up his weekend for our sins, not much of a sacrifice if you ask me.
    He was resurrected with a whacking great hole in his side, give the guy a break!
    It was the shedding of blood on the cross that was the sacrifice - so that sinful man could enter the Kingdom of Heaven through faith in him and his sacrifice.
    The Kingdom if Heaven must be a truly ghastly place. Generation upon generation of relatives you have no idea who they are or interest in, but you have to make polite smalltalk with for all eternity.

    And I bet there's no real ale. Probably just Madri lager. At £6 a pint.
    I cannot see how 'Heaven' is supposed to work. It's a place you're supposed to go and be permanently happy.

    Take an aged relative of mine. She married fairly young, had kids, and then her husband died whilst their kids were young. She eventually remarried, and has been with her second husband for four or five decades.

    So the first husband will (presumably!) be up there waiting for her. Which would be blooming boring. But when she turns up, there'll be a second husband coming along soon (if he doesn't die first - that would be awkward (*)). People are what would make Heaven for me - having some of the people I love around me (hopefully!). But what if they want to spend eternity with another love, or other friends?

    I cannot see a way around this without theological hand-waving, or changing our characters in Heaven so we won't be 'us' any more, or having Heaven as a boring non-place.

    Perhaps 'The Good Place' had the right idea... ;)

    (*) "Hi, I'm Matthew." "Hi, I'm Neil. I'm waiting for Joyce. I want to spend eternity with her." "Oh, so am I." "I'm not really into threesomes." "No, neither am I" Cue an eternity of awkwardness...
    The chance of after death existence having a 'homo sapiens' aspect to it is pretty much zero I'd think or indeed any experiences being limited by our comprehension of how we live life on Earth.
    The cloud angel, country club view of heaven was invented by priests to control the actions of King and Cotter down here.
    That's if you believe in continuing existence. Which I personally do.
    Then that provokes a bigger problem: it would not be 'me' up there, as I would have changed beyond all recognition.
    Religion just makes life too complicated. For God to exist, everything we think we know scientifically has to go out of the window. He created the earth and everything on it so all the science we think we have about the big bang and evolution is a load of bollocks.
    I just can't get my head around it.
    I know personal incredulity is a fallacy, but it's where I'm at.
    Many moons ago, I read a book (*) that dipped into this theological question. How can you maintain religion and faith as science explains more and more? If the Big Bang created the universe, where was God?

    The answer, essentially, was "Who lit the Big Bang's fuse?'

    There is always room for faith and belief in the unknown.

    (*) Perhaps Wolfe's 'The Right Stuff', but probably misremembering.
    But where did "God"reside before he lit said "fuse"? :lol:
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 6,900
    edited March 29

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    And crucially for the fight against woke, the Guardian calls Easter and Easter eggs Easter and Easter eggs.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/mar/29/mega-extra-chunky-luxurious-specia-easter-eggs-2024

    (And very best wishes to those of us commemorating and celebrating Easter in their churches and chapels.)

    Was Jesus a zombie?
    Good heavens, what a thing to say!

    *startled*

    Doctrinally, I understand very much not.
    The thing that annoys me about Easter is that we keep on getting told Jesus died for our sins, okay but he didn't stay dead right? So what exactly did he sacrifice?

    Jesus gave up his weekend for our sins, not much of a sacrifice if you ask me.
    He was resurrected with a whacking great hole in his side, give the guy a break!
    It was the shedding of blood on the cross that was the sacrifice - so that sinful man could enter the Kingdom of Heaven through faith in him and his sacrifice.
    The Kingdom if Heaven must be a truly ghastly place. Generation upon generation of relatives you have no idea who they are or interest in, but you have to make polite smalltalk with for all eternity.

    And I bet there's no real ale. Probably just Madri lager. At £6 a pint.
    I cannot see how 'Heaven' is supposed to work. It's a place you're supposed to go and be permanently happy.

    Take an aged relative of mine. She married fairly young, had kids, and then her husband died whilst their kids were young. She eventually remarried, and has been with her second husband for four or five decades.

    So the first husband will (presumably!) be up there waiting for her. Which would be blooming boring. But when she turns up, there'll be a second husband coming along soon (if he doesn't die first - that would be awkward (*)). People are what would make Heaven for me - having some of the people I love around me (hopefully!). But what if they want to spend eternity with another love, or other friends?

    I cannot see a way around this without theological hand-waving, or changing our characters in Heaven so we won't be 'us' any more, or having Heaven as a boring non-place.

    Perhaps 'The Good Place' had the right idea... ;)

    (*) "Hi, I'm Matthew." "Hi, I'm Neil. I'm waiting for Joyce. I want to spend eternity with her." "Oh, so am I." "I'm not really into threesomes." "No, neither am I" Cue an eternity of awkwardness...
    The chance of after death existence having a 'homo sapiens' aspect to it is pretty much zero I'd think or indeed any experiences being limited by our comprehension of how we live life on Earth.
    The cloud angel, country club view of heaven was invented by priests to control the actions of King and Cotter down here.
    That's if you believe in continuing existence. Which I personally do.
    Then that provokes a bigger problem: it would not be 'me' up there, as I would have changed beyond all recognition.
    Religion just makes life too complicated. For God to exist, everything we think we know scientifically has to go out of the window. He created the earth and everything on it so all the science we think we have about the big bang and evolution is a load of bollocks.
    I just can't get my head around it.
    I know personal incredulity is a fallacy, but it's where I'm at.
    Organised religion and diktat from Rome and its equivalents has ruined faith, spirituality and the like.
    But science is very faith based too. 'Dark matter' 'strong nuclear force' 'unifying theory' etc
    Edit - Darwinian Evolution is definitely bollocks!
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 38,841
    Eabhal said:

    Trent said:

    Another bad night in Ukraine sadly. Russia now concentrating on knocking out their entire energy infrastructure.

    Not looking good for Ukrainian energy infrastructure.

    Red hit in a span of the last 7 days and damaged, in many cases badly.

    Blue won't be hit due to them being nuclear power plants.

    Black Zaporozhye nuclear one is controlled by Russia.

    Right corner are Donetsk and Lugansk regions also controlled by Russia.

    https://x.com/talkrealopinion/status/1773477349415170098?s=20

    Skiddaw then Trent. Looking forward to "Dartmoor" and "TheWash".
    Surely Conway, Spey and Tay? Perhaps Adour as well, if you want to appeal to the French...

    (Extra geek points if you get the connection...)
  • LeonLeon Posts: 46,662
    edited March 29

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    And crucially for the fight against woke, the Guardian calls Easter and Easter eggs Easter and Easter eggs.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/mar/29/mega-extra-chunky-luxurious-specia-easter-eggs-2024

    (And very best wishes to those of us commemorating and celebrating Easter in their churches and chapels.)

    Was Jesus a zombie?
    Good heavens, what a thing to say!

    *startled*

    Doctrinally, I understand very much not.
    The thing that annoys me about Easter is that we keep on getting told Jesus died for our sins, okay but he didn't stay dead right? So what exactly did he sacrifice?

    Jesus gave up his weekend for our sins, not much of a sacrifice if you ask me.
    He was resurrected with a whacking great hole in his side, give the guy a break!
    It was the shedding of blood on the cross that was the sacrifice - so that sinful man could enter the Kingdom of Heaven through faith in him and his sacrifice.
    The Kingdom if Heaven must be a truly ghastly place. Generation upon generation of relatives you have no idea who they are or interest in, but you have to make polite smalltalk with for all eternity.

    And I bet there's no real ale. Probably just Madri lager. At £6 a pint.
    I cannot see how 'Heaven' is supposed to work. It's a place you're supposed to go and be permanently happy.

    Take an aged relative of mine. She married fairly young, had kids, and then her husband died whilst their kids were young. She eventually remarried, and has been with her second husband for four or five decades.

    So the first husband will (presumably!) be up there waiting for her. Which would be blooming boring. But when she turns up, there'll be a second husband coming along soon (if he doesn't die first - that would be awkward (*)). People are what would make Heaven for me - having some of the people I love around me (hopefully!). But what if they want to spend eternity with another love, or other friends?

    I cannot see a way around this without theological hand-waving, or changing our characters in Heaven so we won't be 'us' any more, or having Heaven as a boring non-place.

    Perhaps 'The Good Place' had the right idea... ;)

    (*) "Hi, I'm Matthew." "Hi, I'm Neil. I'm waiting for Joyce. I want to spend eternity with her." "Oh, so am I." "I'm not really into threesomes." "No, neither am I" Cue an eternity of awkwardness...
    The chance of after death existence having a 'homo sapiens' aspect to it is pretty much zero I'd think or indeed any experiences being limited by our comprehension of how we live life on Earth.
    The cloud angel, country club view of heaven was invented by priests to control the actions of King and Cotter down here.
    That's if you believe in continuing existence. Which I personally do.
    Then that provokes a bigger problem: it would not be 'me' up there, as I would have changed beyond all recognition.
    Religion just makes life too complicated. For God to exist, everything we think we know scientifically has to go out of the window. He created the earth and everything on it so all the science we think we have about the big bang and evolution is a load of bollocks.
    I just can't get my head around it.
    I know personal incredulity is a fallacy, but it's where I'm at.
    Many moons ago, I read a book (*) that dipped into this theological question. How can you maintain religion and faith as science explains more and more? If the Big Bang created the universe, where was God?

    The answer, essentially, was "Who lit the Big Bang's fuse?'

    There is always room for faith and belief in the unknown.

    (*) Perhaps Wolfe's 'The Right Stuff', but probably misremembering.
    Actually, science is explaining less and less

    eg “dark matter”. That was some dubious shit science invented to explain away the fact their sums didn’t add up. Now they’ve simply chucked it in the bin

    https://www.earth.com/news/dark-matter-does-not-exist-universe-27-billion-years-old-study/

    The more we learn and explore the more we realise how little we know. Maybe there is a multiverse. Maybe it’s all a simulation. Maybe the physicists haven’t got a clue
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 24,196
    Winter Coronavirus (COVID-19) Infection Study, England and Scotland: 28 March 2024

    Percentage of people testing positive for coronavirus (COVID-19) in private residential households in England and Scotland, including regional, age and sex breakdowns and corresponding confidence intervals.

    https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/winter-coronavirus-covid-19-infection-study-england-and-scotland-28-march-2024
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,184
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    The National Museum of Scotland. Not as bad as Holyrood… but still pretty bad



    What is all the stupid white crap on the top? Again it looks cheap and tacky. At least here you can see what the architect was TRYING to achieve, a certain dour military quality, hints of Scottish castles and Hadrian’s wall, of border abbeys and Kirkwall cathedral

    It is still a failure tho, and Edinburgh can only take so many failures before the whole thing is irrevocably damaged

    When were they expecting the invasion?

    That's a type of architecture I like to call 'blockhouse chic'...
    At least the architect used appropriate stone; I like the rosy Morayshire sandstone

    We can do beautiful modern civic buildings; an example is the Senedd in Cardiff. Went over budget but still only cost £60m compared to Holyrood’s insane £400m. The Senedd has a light, serene quality


    You must have missed this:

    image
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 7,492

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    And crucially for the fight against woke, the Guardian calls Easter and Easter eggs Easter and Easter eggs.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/mar/29/mega-extra-chunky-luxurious-specia-easter-eggs-2024

    (And very best wishes to those of us commemorating and celebrating Easter in their churches and chapels.)

    Was Jesus a zombie?
    Good heavens, what a thing to say!

    *startled*

    Doctrinally, I understand very much not.
    The thing that annoys me about Easter is that we keep on getting told Jesus died for our sins, okay but he didn't stay dead right? So what exactly did he sacrifice?

    Jesus gave up his weekend for our sins, not much of a sacrifice if you ask me.
    He was resurrected with a whacking great hole in his side, give the guy a break!
    It was the shedding of blood on the cross that was the sacrifice - so that sinful man could enter the Kingdom of Heaven through faith in him and his sacrifice.
    The Kingdom if Heaven must be a truly ghastly place. Generation upon generation of relatives you have no idea who they are or interest in, but you have to make polite smalltalk with for all eternity.

    And I bet there's no real ale. Probably just Madri lager. At £6 a pint.
    I cannot see how 'Heaven' is supposed to work. It's a place you're supposed to go and be permanently happy.

    Take an aged relative of mine. She married fairly young, had kids, and then her husband died whilst their kids were young. She eventually remarried, and has been with her second husband for four or five decades.

    So the first husband will (presumably!) be up there waiting for her. Which would be blooming boring. But when she turns up, there'll be a second husband coming along soon (if he doesn't die first - that would be awkward (*)). People are what would make Heaven for me - having some of the people I love around me (hopefully!). But what if they want to spend eternity with another love, or other friends?

    I cannot see a way around this without theological hand-waving, or changing our characters in Heaven so we won't be 'us' any more, or having Heaven as a boring non-place.

    Perhaps 'The Good Place' had the right idea... ;)

    (*) "Hi, I'm Matthew." "Hi, I'm Neil. I'm waiting for Joyce. I want to spend eternity with her." "Oh, so am I." "I'm not really into threesomes." "No, neither am I" Cue an eternity of awkwardness...
    The chance of after death existence having a 'homo sapiens' aspect to it is pretty much zero I'd think or indeed any experiences being limited by our comprehension of how we live life on Earth.
    The cloud angel, country club view of heaven was invented by priests to control the actions of King and Cotter down here.
    That's if you believe in continuing existence. Which I personally do.
    Then that provokes a bigger problem: it would not be 'me' up there, as I would have changed beyond all recognition.
    Religion just makes life too complicated. For God to exist, everything we think we know scientifically has to go out of the window. He created the earth and everything on it so all the science we think we have about the big bang and evolution is a load of bollocks.
    I just can't get my head around it.
    I know personal incredulity is a fallacy, but it's where I'm at.
    Many moons ago, I read a book (*) that dipped into this theological question. How can you maintain religion and faith as science explains more and more? If the Big Bang created the universe, where was God?

    The answer, essentially, was "Who lit the Big Bang's fuse?'

    There is always room for faith and belief in the unknown.

    (*) Perhaps Wolfe's 'The Right Stuff', but probably misremembering.
    There are various theories and approaches to what "lit the Big Bang's fuse". One is that it was the result of random quantum fluctuation. Another is that the question doesn't make sense. It is unclear from a scientific point of view why the answer should be something to do with Easter eggs.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 46,662

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    And crucially for the fight against woke, the Guardian calls Easter and Easter eggs Easter and Easter eggs.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/mar/29/mega-extra-chunky-luxurious-specia-easter-eggs-2024

    (And very best wishes to those of us commemorating and celebrating Easter in their churches and chapels.)

    Was Jesus a zombie?
    Good heavens, what a thing to say!

    *startled*

    Doctrinally, I understand very much not.
    The thing that annoys me about Easter is that we keep on getting told Jesus died for our sins, okay but he didn't stay dead right? So what exactly did he sacrifice?

    Jesus gave up his weekend for our sins, not much of a sacrifice if you ask me.
    He was resurrected with a whacking great hole in his side, give the guy a break!
    It was the shedding of blood on the cross that was the sacrifice - so that sinful man could enter the Kingdom of Heaven through faith in him and his sacrifice.
    The Kingdom if Heaven must be a truly ghastly place. Generation upon generation of relatives you have no idea who they are or interest in, but you have to make polite smalltalk with for all eternity.

    And I bet there's no real ale. Probably just Madri lager. At £6 a pint.
    I cannot see how 'Heaven' is supposed to work. It's a place you're supposed to go and be permanently happy.

    Take an aged relative of mine. She married fairly young, had kids, and then her husband died whilst their kids were young. She eventually remarried, and has been with her second husband for four or five decades.

    So the first husband will (presumably!) be up there waiting for her. Which would be blooming boring. But when she turns up, there'll be a second husband coming along soon (if he doesn't die first - that would be awkward (*)). People are what would make Heaven for me - having some of the people I love around me (hopefully!). But what if they want to spend eternity with another love, or other friends?

    I cannot see a way around this without theological hand-waving, or changing our characters in Heaven so we won't be 'us' any more, or having Heaven as a boring non-place.

    Perhaps 'The Good Place' had the right idea... ;)

    (*) "Hi, I'm Matthew." "Hi, I'm Neil. I'm waiting for Joyce. I want to spend eternity with her." "Oh, so am I." "I'm not really into threesomes." "No, neither am I" Cue an eternity of awkwardness...
    The chance of after death existence having a 'homo sapiens' aspect to it is pretty much zero I'd think or indeed any experiences being limited by our comprehension of how we live life on Earth.
    The cloud angel, country club view of heaven was invented by priests to control the actions of King and Cotter down here.
    That's if you believe in continuing existence. Which I personally do.
    Then that provokes a bigger problem: it would not be 'me' up there, as I would have changed beyond all recognition.
    Religion just makes life too complicated. For God to exist, everything we think we know scientifically has to go out of the window. He created the earth and everything on it so all the science we think we have about the big bang and evolution is a load of bollocks.
    I just can't get my head around it.
    I know personal incredulity is a fallacy, but it's where I'm at.
    Organised religion and diktat from Rome and its equivalents has ruined faith, spirituality and the like.
    But science is very faith based too. 'Dark matter' 'strong nuclear force' 'unifying theory' etc
    Edit - Darwinian Evolution is definitely bollocks!
    The likeliest Explanation for Everything is also, in its way, the scariest. There is no explanation, the universe is beyond our comprehension, it is outside our bandwidth
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 38,841
    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    And crucially for the fight against woke, the Guardian calls Easter and Easter eggs Easter and Easter eggs.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/mar/29/mega-extra-chunky-luxurious-specia-easter-eggs-2024

    (And very best wishes to those of us commemorating and celebrating Easter in their churches and chapels.)

    Was Jesus a zombie?
    Good heavens, what a thing to say!

    *startled*

    Doctrinally, I understand very much not.
    The thing that annoys me about Easter is that we keep on getting told Jesus died for our sins, okay but he didn't stay dead right? So what exactly did he sacrifice?

    Jesus gave up his weekend for our sins, not much of a sacrifice if you ask me.
    He was resurrected with a whacking great hole in his side, give the guy a break!
    It was the shedding of blood on the cross that was the sacrifice - so that sinful man could enter the Kingdom of Heaven through faith in him and his sacrifice.
    The Kingdom if Heaven must be a truly ghastly place. Generation upon generation of relatives you have no idea who they are or interest in, but you have to make polite smalltalk with for all eternity.

    And I bet there's no real ale. Probably just Madri lager. At £6 a pint.
    I cannot see how 'Heaven' is supposed to work. It's a place you're supposed to go and be permanently happy.

    Take an aged relative of mine. She married fairly young, had kids, and then her husband died whilst their kids were young. She eventually remarried, and has been with her second husband for four or five decades.

    So the first husband will (presumably!) be up there waiting for her. Which would be blooming boring. But when she turns up, there'll be a second husband coming along soon (if he doesn't die first - that would be awkward (*)). People are what would make Heaven for me - having some of the people I love around me (hopefully!). But what if they want to spend eternity with another love, or other friends?

    I cannot see a way around this without theological hand-waving, or changing our characters in Heaven so we won't be 'us' any more, or having Heaven as a boring non-place.

    Perhaps 'The Good Place' had the right idea... ;)

    (*) "Hi, I'm Matthew." "Hi, I'm Neil. I'm waiting for Joyce. I want to spend eternity with her." "Oh, so am I." "I'm not really into threesomes." "No, neither am I" Cue an eternity of awkwardness...
    The chance of after death existence having a 'homo sapiens' aspect to it is pretty much zero I'd think or indeed any experiences being limited by our comprehension of how we live life on Earth.
    The cloud angel, country club view of heaven was invented by priests to control the actions of King and Cotter down here.
    That's if you believe in continuing existence. Which I personally do.
    Then that provokes a bigger problem: it would not be 'me' up there, as I would have changed beyond all recognition.
    Religion just makes life too complicated. For God to exist, everything we think we know scientifically has to go out of the window. He created the earth and everything on it so all the science we think we have about the big bang and evolution is a load of bollocks.
    I just can't get my head around it.
    I know personal incredulity is a fallacy, but it's where I'm at.
    Many moons ago, I read a book (*) that dipped into this theological question. How can you maintain religion and faith as science explains more and more? If the Big Bang created the universe, where was God?

    The answer, essentially, was "Who lit the Big Bang's fuse?'

    There is always room for faith and belief in the unknown.

    (*) Perhaps Wolfe's 'The Right Stuff', but probably misremembering.
    Actually, science is explaining less and less

    eg “dark matter”. That was some dubious shit science invented to explain away the fact their sums didn’t add up. Now they’ve simply chucked it in the bin

    https://www.earth.com/news/dark-matter-does-not-exist-universe-27-billion-years-old-study/

    The more we learn and explore the more we realise how little we know. Maybe there is a multiverse. Maybe it’s all a simulation. Just maybe the physicists haven’t got a clue
    Rubbish. Science is explaining more and more, but as it does so, it reveals even more questions that need answering.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 38,841

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    And crucially for the fight against woke, the Guardian calls Easter and Easter eggs Easter and Easter eggs.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/mar/29/mega-extra-chunky-luxurious-specia-easter-eggs-2024

    (And very best wishes to those of us commemorating and celebrating Easter in their churches and chapels.)

    Was Jesus a zombie?
    Good heavens, what a thing to say!

    *startled*

    Doctrinally, I understand very much not.
    The thing that annoys me about Easter is that we keep on getting told Jesus died for our sins, okay but he didn't stay dead right? So what exactly did he sacrifice?

    Jesus gave up his weekend for our sins, not much of a sacrifice if you ask me.
    He was resurrected with a whacking great hole in his side, give the guy a break!
    It was the shedding of blood on the cross that was the sacrifice - so that sinful man could enter the Kingdom of Heaven through faith in him and his sacrifice.
    The Kingdom if Heaven must be a truly ghastly place. Generation upon generation of relatives you have no idea who they are or interest in, but you have to make polite smalltalk with for all eternity.

    And I bet there's no real ale. Probably just Madri lager. At £6 a pint.
    I cannot see how 'Heaven' is supposed to work. It's a place you're supposed to go and be permanently happy.

    Take an aged relative of mine. She married fairly young, had kids, and then her husband died whilst their kids were young. She eventually remarried, and has been with her second husband for four or five decades.

    So the first husband will (presumably!) be up there waiting for her. Which would be blooming boring. But when she turns up, there'll be a second husband coming along soon (if he doesn't die first - that would be awkward (*)). People are what would make Heaven for me - having some of the people I love around me (hopefully!). But what if they want to spend eternity with another love, or other friends?

    I cannot see a way around this without theological hand-waving, or changing our characters in Heaven so we won't be 'us' any more, or having Heaven as a boring non-place.

    Perhaps 'The Good Place' had the right idea... ;)

    (*) "Hi, I'm Matthew." "Hi, I'm Neil. I'm waiting for Joyce. I want to spend eternity with her." "Oh, so am I." "I'm not really into threesomes." "No, neither am I" Cue an eternity of awkwardness...
    The chance of after death existence having a 'homo sapiens' aspect to it is pretty much zero I'd think or indeed any experiences being limited by our comprehension of how we live life on Earth.
    The cloud angel, country club view of heaven was invented by priests to control the actions of King and Cotter down here.
    That's if you believe in continuing existence. Which I personally do.
    Then that provokes a bigger problem: it would not be 'me' up there, as I would have changed beyond all recognition.
    Religion just makes life too complicated. For God to exist, everything we think we know scientifically has to go out of the window. He created the earth and everything on it so all the science we think we have about the big bang and evolution is a load of bollocks.
    I just can't get my head around it.
    I know personal incredulity is a fallacy, but it's where I'm at.
    Many moons ago, I read a book (*) that dipped into this theological question. How can you maintain religion and faith as science explains more and more? If the Big Bang created the universe, where was God?

    The answer, essentially, was "Who lit the Big Bang's fuse?'

    There is always room for faith and belief in the unknown.

    (*) Perhaps Wolfe's 'The Right Stuff', but probably misremembering.
    There are various theories and approaches to what "lit the Big Bang's fuse". One is that it was the result of random quantum fluctuation. Another is that the question doesn't make sense. It is unclear from a scientific point of view why the answer should be something to do with Easter eggs.
    We don't know, and might never know. And that's a perfect place for faith and belief to lurk. And that's actually quite wondrous: 'random quantum fluctuations' are great and all that, but imagine if we discovered (how?) that the Big Bang actually had God's fingerprints (*) all over it. Imagine all the science that would come out of that..

    (*) Does God have fingerprints?
  • MattWMattW Posts: 18,344
    kjh said:

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    And crucially for the fight against woke, the Guardian calls Easter and Easter eggs Easter and Easter eggs.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/mar/29/mega-extra-chunky-luxurious-specia-easter-eggs-2024

    (And very best wishes to those of us commemorating and celebrating Easter in their churches and chapels.)

    Was Jesus a zombie?
    Good heavens, what a thing to say!

    *startled*

    Doctrinally, I understand very much not.
    The thing that annoys me about Easter is that we keep on getting told Jesus died for our sins, okay but he didn't stay dead right? So what exactly did he sacrifice?

    Jesus gave up his weekend for our sins, not much of a sacrifice if you ask me.
    He was resurrected with a whacking great hole in his side, give the guy a break!
    It was the shedding of blood on the cross that was the sacrifice - so that sinful man could enter the Kingdom of Heaven through faith in him and his sacrifice.
    The Kingdom if Heaven must be a truly ghastly place. Generation upon generation of relatives you have no idea who they are or interest in, but you have to make polite smalltalk with for all eternity.

    And I bet there's no real ale. Probably just Madri lager. At £6 a pint.
    If there is no real ale, I'm not going.
    Why wouldn't there be real ale?

    There are dozens of monasteries making beer. Some examples:
    https://monasticorder.co.uk/

    Including the oldest continuously operating brewery in Europe. Since at least 1040:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weihenstephan_Abbey

    (I'm not accepting technical quibbles about the details of "real ale". If it's been going for that long I suggest it is definitive in itself.)
  • Foxy said:

    ydoethur said:

    Eabhal said:

    Jacob Rees-Mogg's tweet on Thames Water is going down very well indeed. This might be the kind of populism that the Tories are looking for.

    Chapeau to @BartholomewRoberts who might be into something. If they extend it to some of the big housing developers, supermarkets etc...

    That tweet is disgusting, horrifying and appalling.

    Because it means I find myself in agreement with Jacob Rees-Mogg.
    Yes, and for me it's twice in one week:

    https://twitter.com/Jacob_Rees_Mogg/status/1772601259658191300?t=4JWBNPaxnk0gbmtzo3qRYQ&s=19

    Through the looking glass indeed.
    Don't remotely agree with that one. If I am terminally ill, I would want to be able to determine the end of my own life.

    Its inhumane that we treat terminally ill pets, who can't disclose their choices, with more humanity than we do terminally ill humans.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 6,900
    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    And crucially for the fight against woke, the Guardian calls Easter and Easter eggs Easter and Easter eggs.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/mar/29/mega-extra-chunky-luxurious-specia-easter-eggs-2024

    (And very best wishes to those of us commemorating and celebrating Easter in their churches and chapels.)

    Was Jesus a zombie?
    Good heavens, what a thing to say!

    *startled*

    Doctrinally, I understand very much not.
    The thing that annoys me about Easter is that we keep on getting told Jesus died for our sins, okay but he didn't stay dead right? So what exactly did he sacrifice?

    Jesus gave up his weekend for our sins, not much of a sacrifice if you ask me.
    He was resurrected with a whacking great hole in his side, give the guy a break!
    It was the shedding of blood on the cross that was the sacrifice - so that sinful man could enter the Kingdom of Heaven through faith in him and his sacrifice.
    The Kingdom if Heaven must be a truly ghastly place. Generation upon generation of relatives you have no idea who they are or interest in, but you have to make polite smalltalk with for all eternity.

    And I bet there's no real ale. Probably just Madri lager. At £6 a pint.
    I cannot see how 'Heaven' is supposed to work. It's a place you're supposed to go and be permanently happy.

    Take an aged relative of mine. She married fairly young, had kids, and then her husband died whilst their kids were young. She eventually remarried, and has been with her second husband for four or five decades.

    So the first husband will (presumably!) be up there waiting for her. Which would be blooming boring. But when she turns up, there'll be a second husband coming along soon (if he doesn't die first - that would be awkward (*)). People are what would make Heaven for me - having some of the people I love around me (hopefully!). But what if they want to spend eternity with another love, or other friends?

    I cannot see a way around this without theological hand-waving, or changing our characters in Heaven so we won't be 'us' any more, or having Heaven as a boring non-place.

    Perhaps 'The Good Place' had the right idea... ;)

    (*) "Hi, I'm Matthew." "Hi, I'm Neil. I'm waiting for Joyce. I want to spend eternity with her." "Oh, so am I." "I'm not really into threesomes." "No, neither am I" Cue an eternity of awkwardness...
    The chance of after death existence having a 'homo sapiens' aspect to it is pretty much zero I'd think or indeed any experiences being limited by our comprehension of how we live life on Earth.
    The cloud angel, country club view of heaven was invented by priests to control the actions of King and Cotter down here.
    That's if you believe in continuing existence. Which I personally do.
    Then that provokes a bigger problem: it would not be 'me' up there, as I would have changed beyond all recognition.
    Religion just makes life too complicated. For God to exist, everything we think we know scientifically has to go out of the window. He created the earth and everything on it so all the science we think we have about the big bang and evolution is a load of bollocks.
    I just can't get my head around it.
    I know personal incredulity is a fallacy, but it's where I'm at.
    Organised religion and diktat from Rome and its equivalents has ruined faith, spirituality and the like.
    But science is very faith based too. 'Dark matter' 'strong nuclear force' 'unifying theory' etc
    Edit - Darwinian Evolution is definitely bollocks!
    The likeliest Explanation for Everything is also, in its way, the scariest. There is no explanation, the universe is beyond our comprehension, it is outside our bandwidth
    Ah well. There's always good Scotch and pretty girls.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,184

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    And crucially for the fight against woke, the Guardian calls Easter and Easter eggs Easter and Easter eggs.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/mar/29/mega-extra-chunky-luxurious-specia-easter-eggs-2024

    (And very best wishes to those of us commemorating and celebrating Easter in their churches and chapels.)

    Was Jesus a zombie?
    Good heavens, what a thing to say!

    *startled*

    Doctrinally, I understand very much not.
    The thing that annoys me about Easter is that we keep on getting told Jesus died for our sins, okay but he didn't stay dead right? So what exactly did he sacrifice?

    Jesus gave up his weekend for our sins, not much of a sacrifice if you ask me.
    He was resurrected with a whacking great hole in his side, give the guy a break!
    It was the shedding of blood on the cross that was the sacrifice - so that sinful man could enter the Kingdom of Heaven through faith in him and his sacrifice.
    The Kingdom if Heaven must be a truly ghastly place. Generation upon generation of relatives you have no idea who they are or interest in, but you have to make polite smalltalk with for all eternity.

    And I bet there's no real ale. Probably just Madri lager. At £6 a pint.
    I cannot see how 'Heaven' is supposed to work. It's a place you're supposed to go and be permanently happy.

    Take an aged relative of mine. She married fairly young, had kids, and then her husband died whilst their kids were young. She eventually remarried, and has been with her second husband for four or five decades.

    So the first husband will (presumably!) be up there waiting for her. Which would be blooming boring. But when she turns up, there'll be a second husband coming along soon (if he doesn't die first - that would be awkward (*)). People are what would make Heaven for me - having some of the people I love around me (hopefully!). But what if they want to spend eternity with another love, or other friends?

    I cannot see a way around this without theological hand-waving, or changing our characters in Heaven so we won't be 'us' any more, or having Heaven as a boring non-place.

    Perhaps 'The Good Place' had the right idea... ;)

    (*) "Hi, I'm Matthew." "Hi, I'm Neil. I'm waiting for Joyce. I want to spend eternity with her." "Oh, so am I." "I'm not really into threesomes." "No, neither am I" Cue an eternity of awkwardness...
    The chance of after death existence having a 'homo sapiens' aspect to it is pretty much zero I'd think or indeed any experiences being limited by our comprehension of how we live life on Earth.
    The cloud angel, country club view of heaven was invented by priests to control the actions of King and Cotter down here.
    That's if you believe in continuing existence. Which I personally do.
    Then that provokes a bigger problem: it would not be 'me' up there, as I would have changed beyond all recognition.
    Religion just makes life too complicated. For God to exist, everything we think we know scientifically has to go out of the window. He created the earth and everything on it so all the science we think we have about the big bang and evolution is a load of bollocks.
    I just can't get my head around it.
    I know personal incredulity is a fallacy, but it's where I'm at.
    Many moons ago, I read a book (*) that dipped into this theological question. How can you maintain religion and faith as science explains more and more? If the Big Bang created the universe, where was God?

    The answer, essentially, was "Who lit the Big Bang's fuse?'

    There is always room for faith and belief in the unknown.

    (*) Perhaps Wolfe's 'The Right Stuff', but probably misremembering.
    There are various theories and approaches to what "lit the Big Bang's fuse". One is that it was the result of random quantum fluctuation. Another is that the question doesn't make sense. It is unclear from a scientific point of view why the answer should be something to do with Easter eggs.
    You can't get something from nothing.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 39,940

    Eabhal said:

    Trent said:

    Another bad night in Ukraine sadly. Russia now concentrating on knocking out their entire energy infrastructure.

    Not looking good for Ukrainian energy infrastructure.

    Red hit in a span of the last 7 days and damaged, in many cases badly.

    Blue won't be hit due to them being nuclear power plants.

    Black Zaporozhye nuclear one is controlled by Russia.

    Right corner are Donetsk and Lugansk regions also controlled by Russia.

    https://x.com/talkrealopinion/status/1773477349415170098?s=20

    Skiddaw then Trent. Looking forward to "Dartmoor" and "TheWash".
    Surely Conway, Spey and Tay? Perhaps Adour as well, if you want to appeal to the French...

    (Extra geek points if you get the connection...)
    Engines..
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 2,897

    Winter Coronavirus (COVID-19) Infection Study, England and Scotland: 28 March 2024

    Percentage of people testing positive for coronavirus (COVID-19) in private residential households in England and Scotland, including regional, age and sex breakdowns and corresponding confidence intervals.

    https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/winter-coronavirus-covid-19-infection-study-england-and-scotland-28-march-2024

    What are we looking at? The page just has a document on it which says 'Cancelled' when I click it?
  • Trent said:

    Another bad night in Ukraine sadly. Russia now concentrating on knocking out their entire energy infrastructure.

    Not looking good for Ukrainian energy infrastructure.

    Red hit in a span of the last 7 days and damaged, in many cases badly.

    Blue won't be hit due to them being nuclear power plants.

    Black Zaporozhye nuclear one is controlled by Russia.

    Right corner are Donetsk and Lugansk regions also controlled by Russia.

    https://x.com/talkrealopinion/status/1773477349415170098?s=20

    Don't your accounts normally spread this BS on a Saturday morning?

    Are you getting paid to work a day early because of the Bank Holiday here?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,184

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    And crucially for the fight against woke, the Guardian calls Easter and Easter eggs Easter and Easter eggs.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/mar/29/mega-extra-chunky-luxurious-specia-easter-eggs-2024

    (And very best wishes to those of us commemorating and celebrating Easter in their churches and chapels.)

    Was Jesus a zombie?
    Good heavens, what a thing to say!

    *startled*

    Doctrinally, I understand very much not.
    The thing that annoys me about Easter is that we keep on getting told Jesus died for our sins, okay but he didn't stay dead right? So what exactly did he sacrifice?

    Jesus gave up his weekend for our sins, not much of a sacrifice if you ask me.
    He was resurrected with a whacking great hole in his side, give the guy a break!
    It was the shedding of blood on the cross that was the sacrifice - so that sinful man could enter the Kingdom of Heaven through faith in him and his sacrifice.
    The Kingdom if Heaven must be a truly ghastly place. Generation upon generation of relatives you have no idea who they are or interest in, but you have to make polite smalltalk with for all eternity.

    And I bet there's no real ale. Probably just Madri lager. At £6 a pint.
    I cannot see how 'Heaven' is supposed to work. It's a place you're supposed to go and be permanently happy.

    Take an aged relative of mine. She married fairly young, had kids, and then her husband died whilst their kids were young. She eventually remarried, and has been with her second husband for four or five decades.

    So the first husband will (presumably!) be up there waiting for her. Which would be blooming boring. But when she turns up, there'll be a second husband coming along soon (if he doesn't die first - that would be awkward (*)). People are what would make Heaven for me - having some of the people I love around me (hopefully!). But what if they want to spend eternity with another love, or other friends?

    I cannot see a way around this without theological hand-waving, or changing our characters in Heaven so we won't be 'us' any more, or having Heaven as a boring non-place.

    Perhaps 'The Good Place' had the right idea... ;)

    (*) "Hi, I'm Matthew." "Hi, I'm Neil. I'm waiting for Joyce. I want to spend eternity with her." "Oh, so am I." "I'm not really into threesomes." "No, neither am I" Cue an eternity of awkwardness...
    The chance of after death existence having a 'homo sapiens' aspect to it is pretty much zero I'd think or indeed any experiences being limited by our comprehension of how we live life on Earth.
    The cloud angel, country club view of heaven was invented by priests to control the actions of King and Cotter down here.
    That's if you believe in continuing existence. Which I personally do.
    Then that provokes a bigger problem: it would not be 'me' up there, as I would have changed beyond all recognition.
    Religion just makes life too complicated. For God to exist, everything we think we know scientifically has to go out of the window. He created the earth and everything on it so all the science we think we have about the big bang and evolution is a load of bollocks.
    I just can't get my head around it.
    I know personal incredulity is a fallacy, but it's where I'm at.
    Organised religion and diktat from Rome and its equivalents has ruined faith, spirituality and the like.
    But science is very faith based too. 'Dark matter' 'strong nuclear force' 'unifying theory' etc
    Edit - Darwinian Evolution is definitely bollocks!
    Evolution is bollocks? Are you sure??
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 39,940

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    And crucially for the fight against woke, the Guardian calls Easter and Easter eggs Easter and Easter eggs.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/mar/29/mega-extra-chunky-luxurious-specia-easter-eggs-2024

    (And very best wishes to those of us commemorating and celebrating Easter in their churches and chapels.)

    Was Jesus a zombie?
    Good heavens, what a thing to say!

    *startled*

    Doctrinally, I understand very much not.
    The thing that annoys me about Easter is that we keep on getting told Jesus died for our sins, okay but he didn't stay dead right? So what exactly did he sacrifice?

    Jesus gave up his weekend for our sins, not much of a sacrifice if you ask me.
    He was resurrected with a whacking great hole in his side, give the guy a break!
    It was the shedding of blood on the cross that was the sacrifice - so that sinful man could enter the Kingdom of Heaven through faith in him and his sacrifice.
    The Kingdom if Heaven must be a truly ghastly place. Generation upon generation of relatives you have no idea who they are or interest in, but you have to make polite smalltalk with for all eternity.

    And I bet there's no real ale. Probably just Madri lager. At £6 a pint.
    I cannot see how 'Heaven' is supposed to work. It's a place you're supposed to go and be permanently happy.

    Take an aged relative of mine. She married fairly young, had kids, and then her husband died whilst their kids were young. She eventually remarried, and has been with her second husband for four or five decades.

    So the first husband will (presumably!) be up there waiting for her. Which would be blooming boring. But when she turns up, there'll be a second husband coming along soon (if he doesn't die first - that would be awkward (*)). People are what would make Heaven for me - having some of the people I love around me (hopefully!). But what if they want to spend eternity with another love, or other friends?

    I cannot see a way around this without theological hand-waving, or changing our characters in Heaven so we won't be 'us' any more, or having Heaven as a boring non-place.

    Perhaps 'The Good Place' had the right idea... ;)

    (*) "Hi, I'm Matthew." "Hi, I'm Neil. I'm waiting for Joyce. I want to spend eternity with her." "Oh, so am I." "I'm not really into threesomes." "No, neither am I" Cue an eternity of awkwardness...
    The chance of after death existence having a 'homo sapiens' aspect to it is pretty much zero I'd think or indeed any experiences being limited by our comprehension of how we live life on Earth.
    The cloud angel, country club view of heaven was invented by priests to control the actions of King and Cotter down here.
    That's if you believe in continuing existence. Which I personally do.
    Then that provokes a bigger problem: it would not be 'me' up there, as I would have changed beyond all recognition.
    Religion just makes life too complicated. For God to exist, everything we think we know scientifically has to go out of the window. He created the earth and everything on it so all the science we think we have about the big bang and evolution is a load of bollocks.
    I just can't get my head around it.
    I know personal incredulity is a fallacy, but it's where I'm at.
    Organised religion and diktat from Rome and its equivalents has ruined faith, spirituality and the like.
    But science is very faith based too. 'Dark matter' 'strong nuclear force' 'unifying theory' etc
    Edit - Darwinian Evolution is definitely bollocks!
    The likeliest Explanation for Everything is also, in its way, the scariest. There is no explanation, the universe is beyond our comprehension, it is outside our bandwidth
    Ah well. There's always good Scotch and pretty girls.
    Although bad Scotch and bad girls also works.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 18,344
    edited March 29
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    The National Museum of Scotland. Not as bad as Holyrood… but still pretty bad



    What is all the stupid white crap on the top? Again it looks cheap and tacky. At least here you can see what the architect was TRYING to achieve, a certain dour military quality, hints of Scottish castles and Hadrian’s wall, of border abbeys and Kirkwall cathedral

    It is still a failure tho, and Edinburgh can only take so many failures before the whole thing is irrevocably damaged

    When were they expecting the invasion?

    That's a type of architecture I like to call 'blockhouse chic'...
    At least the architect used appropriate stone; I like the rosy Morayshire sandstone

    We can do beautiful modern civic buildings; an example is the Senedd in Cardiff. Went over budget but still only cost £60m compared to Holyrood’s insane £400m. The Senedd has a light, serene quality


    Yes, The Senedd is a great building.

    Even without Captain Jack.

    Only 5x the original "quoted" budget, too.

    Though I suspect the original number was pulled out of someone's backside to make sure it went ahead.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 6,900

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    And crucially for the fight against woke, the Guardian calls Easter and Easter eggs Easter and Easter eggs.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/mar/29/mega-extra-chunky-luxurious-specia-easter-eggs-2024

    (And very best wishes to those of us commemorating and celebrating Easter in their churches and chapels.)

    Was Jesus a zombie?
    Good heavens, what a thing to say!

    *startled*

    Doctrinally, I understand very much not.
    The thing that annoys me about Easter is that we keep on getting told Jesus died for our sins, okay but he didn't stay dead right? So what exactly did he sacrifice?

    Jesus gave up his weekend for our sins, not much of a sacrifice if you ask me.
    He was resurrected with a whacking great hole in his side, give the guy a break!
    It was the shedding of blood on the cross that was the sacrifice - so that sinful man could enter the Kingdom of Heaven through faith in him and his sacrifice.
    The Kingdom if Heaven must be a truly ghastly place. Generation upon generation of relatives you have no idea who they are or interest in, but you have to make polite smalltalk with for all eternity.

    And I bet there's no real ale. Probably just Madri lager. At £6 a pint.
    I cannot see how 'Heaven' is supposed to work. It's a place you're supposed to go and be permanently happy.

    Take an aged relative of mine. She married fairly young, had kids, and then her husband died whilst their kids were young. She eventually remarried, and has been with her second husband for four or five decades.

    So the first husband will (presumably!) be up there waiting for her. Which would be blooming boring. But when she turns up, there'll be a second husband coming along soon (if he doesn't die first - that would be awkward (*)). People are what would make Heaven for me - having some of the people I love around me (hopefully!). But what if they want to spend eternity with another love, or other friends?

    I cannot see a way around this without theological hand-waving, or changing our characters in Heaven so we won't be 'us' any more, or having Heaven as a boring non-place.

    Perhaps 'The Good Place' had the right idea... ;)

    (*) "Hi, I'm Matthew." "Hi, I'm Neil. I'm waiting for Joyce. I want to spend eternity with her." "Oh, so am I." "I'm not really into threesomes." "No, neither am I" Cue an eternity of awkwardness...
    The chance of after death existence having a 'homo sapiens' aspect to it is pretty much zero I'd think or indeed any experiences being limited by our comprehension of how we live life on Earth.
    The cloud angel, country club view of heaven was invented by priests to control the actions of King and Cotter down here.
    That's if you believe in continuing existence. Which I personally do.
    Then that provokes a bigger problem: it would not be 'me' up there, as I would have changed beyond all recognition.
    Religion just makes life too complicated. For God to exist, everything we think we know scientifically has to go out of the window. He created the earth and everything on it so all the science we think we have about the big bang and evolution is a load of bollocks.
    I just can't get my head around it.
    I know personal incredulity is a fallacy, but it's where I'm at.
    Organised religion and diktat from Rome and its equivalents has ruined faith, spirituality and the like.
    But science is very faith based too. 'Dark matter' 'strong nuclear force' 'unifying theory' etc
    Edit - Darwinian Evolution is definitely bollocks!
    Evolution is bollocks? Are you sure??
    Darwinian type Evolution. I believe that to be bollocks, yes.
    However I can't get into it now because I'm off to spend some good Friday time with Papa Woolie, be back later today! Have a nice day off all.
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