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  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,119

    Not sure if this is Legit or if a prominent member of the Royal family has photoshopped it
    https://twitter.com/GabeZZOZZ/status/1766826136405749898

    So, I followed that link, thinking it might be mildly amusing.

    But no, it takes me to some Putin apologist/propaganda shite.

    The people you follow, eh? You should take a long hard look at yourself and maybe look up the term 'useful idiot'.
    Also, the origin of “Fake, but accurate”
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,805

    However, if you want an outside bet, might it be Boris? He doesn't have an obvious route back via the Tories, his clock is ticking (he's 62 this year), and the window is open for a realignment on the right.

    Two questions.

    1. Is Boris interested?

    I'm sure he feels hard done by in being pushed out as PM, and would love to be vindicated by a return, but he bottled his one good chance for a comeback when Truss was pushed out.

    2. Would Farage be happy to play second fiddle?

    Farage absolutely hated the experience of having Carswell as a UKIP MP who wasn't willing to do exactly as he was told. Reform UK is the Farage ego vehicle, I don't think there's room for Boris's ego too.
    On those (and we're talking hypotheticals here):

    1. Who knows? He's interested in a comeback if it were handed on a plate, which is essentially his life's story, in no small way. But there isn't an easy path back now. Maybe he's happy earning big money making easy speeches and penning lazy articles. But I suspect not. He wants the limelight.

    2. Yes, he would, to the right lead. As he did in the Brexit referendum.
    Farage was pretty damning of Johnson on the C4 Rise and Fall of Boris Johnson doc series (episode 2).
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,909
    DavidL said:

    The Ashfield seat is a bit of an odd one with an Independent who split the Labour vote and came second. The suggestion on WIki is that this independent is going to stand again which confuses matters somewhat but on current polling this looks like an easy Labour win, especially if Anderson, standing for Reform, splits the Tory vote to any extent.

    So his political career was coming to an end anyway. Oh dear, never mind etc.

    Could be the seat with the lowest winning share of the vote.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,317
    We need some polling in Ashfield.
    I would not at all be surprised if Anderson retained his seat in the GE, and, for approximately similar reasons, if Galloway retained Rochdale.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,014

    DavidL said:

    The Ashfield seat is a bit of an odd one with an Independent who split the Labour vote and came second. The suggestion on WIki is that this independent is going to stand again which confuses matters somewhat but on current polling this looks like an easy Labour win, especially if Anderson, standing for Reform, splits the Tory vote to any extent.

    So his political career was coming to an end anyway. Oh dear, never mind etc.

    Could be the seat with the lowest winning share of the vote.
    Possible, but Scotland is probably more likely to have the record holder for that.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,241
    IanB2 said:

    BREAKING - Kate says she experimented with editing her amateur photo

    Correction: someone managing the KP social media account says Kate manipulated the photo. I don't believe them any more than the originally posted image.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 13,214
    148grss said:

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    moonshine said:

    HYUFD said:

    TOPPING said:

    148grss said:

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    148grss said:

    Back after an awful week. Apparently I still can't manage significant physical exertion and an exercise assessment a few days before a walking tour put me out for a week with fatigue, where I had to have a lie in and afternoon nap each day just to manage. Long covid is a bitch. (For those wondering why sickness has increased amongst workers, I would say look no further).

    Having been away for a week (which is a long time in politics) I just have to say - WTF is going on with these Kate pictures?

    Welcome back and it's good to see an anarcho-syndicalist focusing on the critical issue facing the workers today.
    Hey, any weakness in the royals is an opportunity to get rid of them, and I think that is important - especially since material change isn't happening anytime soon with the SKSs Labour party essentially talking the space left by David Cameron's Tory Party.
    For the first time I do believe that the Royals seem (not only physiologically) creaky.

    King down, Harry out, Kate who knows, William a cad.

    George is no Richard II.
    I think we should be prepping ourselves for King Harry and Queen Meghan.

    Or Harry as Regent at least.
    Not happening, there is no suggestion of any problem with William so he will still be next King.

    Even if there was as you say it would be King George not King Harry with Harry at most regent for a few years.

    Don't forget William is about 20 years older than his grandmother was when she became monarch after her father died
    I wouldn’t be so sure about that. There would be no appetite in the country for Harry to be either monarch or regent, as reflected in the 2022 counsellors of state bill, which restored Anne and Edward back to their prior role.

    Depending on the circumstances of William not taking the job, he or his wife may decide they dont want that life for his kids either and so parliament removes them from the line of succession too (see the brief parliamentary instrument removing Edward and future heirs from succession).

    So if not William nor kids, nor Harry (nor kids), it’s Andrew. Obvs that doesn’t work either. By now we’re abandoning primogeniture and picking who we want. Next in line Andy’s kids. Fergie as queen mother. Really?? You can’t easily skip past them for the obvious candidates of Edward/Sophie without unravelling the whole thing.

    Potentially it’s a very very big mess.
    In such circumstances parliament would likely legislate to give it to Edward or Anne before the Accession Council with the throne continuing down their line.

    However William is almost certainly going to be King followed by George so it will not be an issue

    And in such a circumstance I think the "magic" of monarchy dies. The monarchy barely survived the abdication crisis of the 1900's; they wouldn't be able to survive in the modern era doing something similar. People would, correctly, suggest that such a system of privilege for people based purely on their bloodline is absolutely ridiculous, as is the idea that they somehow unify the country or uphold stability - because the very crisis itself would disprove both those things.

    The monarchy lucked out with Lizzie - we got a Queen at a time of progress so we wouldn't have to confront a King during the fight for women's rights and such, she had seen the abdication crisis first hand so didn't want to do anything that could lead to that happening again, and she was so young when she got the throne that she was rooted in the heads of three generations of people as The Queen. She messed up the whole Diana thing, which could have been a proper turning point against the royals, but other than that a relatively good run. Now we have her unloved son as King and his broken sons.
    Even Charles is far more popular than any politician would be and William massively more so.

    If we ever were a republic as I said I would vote for the most far right candidate possible, if Republicans want to end constitutional monarchy I will push for the most divisive hard right head of state possible instead
    I don't understand why we would need to replace them with anything - or why a head of state needs political power. You could roll the speakership into a nominal head of state for all I care - or be like RoI which has a purely ceremonial figure. As long as we get shift of the sponging bastards who claim to be better than us all due to their special blood, or a dictat from God or whatever, I don't care.
    The Irish President is himself an ex politician who was in the Dail, he has angered Israel with his Gaza comments and his wife angered Ukraine pushing for a peace deal with the Kremlin. He also brings in no real tourism, royal wedding, coronation or jubilee revenue and his successor is like to be Bertie Ahern, the Irish Blair and another ex politician
    The whole "monarchy brings in tourist money" thing just isn't true. France has a huge number of tourists - even to the palaces that don't have living monarchs in them. London is a tourist magnet because it is arguably the cultural hub of the English speaking world - second possibly to NYC. It isn't dependent on the royals still existing. And hell, if Buckingham Palace was turned into a museum, I'm sure that would have a hell of a lot of tourists too. Lots of royal stuff that no longer functions as it does (the Tower of London, for example) is still of interest to tourists. A living, politically powerful, royal family is not necessary for that. And even if it was true - I don't care. It is morally abhorrent, I don't care if it makes money (although I don't believe it does).
    Tourists can't even visit the Elysee Palace where Macron lives except on rare open days unlike Buckingham Palace
    The Palace of Versailles has ~15 million visitors annually. No monarchs to be seen.
    We'd need to rebrand a bit, that's the key thing. So long as we kept the flummery we'd probably be fine.

    France's brand when it comes to constitutional history is all about the Revolution. People visit Versailles because of Marie Antoinette and let them eat cake and the Petit Trianon and powdered wigs and so on. And they visit France in their droves because of its food, lifestyle, and weather (in the South).

    They visit Britain for the red buses and phone boxes, policemen in funny hats, the changing of the guard, the palaces, bagpipers in Edinburgh, Vikings in York, perhaps a foray to Harry Potter scenes in the highlands and the Warner Bros studios, and if they're really adventurous they might check out Oxbridge or Stonehenge or the Lake District. So we'd just need to ensure the changing of the guard and the palaces kept a suitable amount of tourist-friendly tradition going.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,341

    Carnyx said:

    Chameleon said:

    End of the day does anyone trust any UK politician to implement an elected head of state sensibly? They'd beeline for the yank system and we'd end up paying similar for a puffed up useless ego who'd tear to shreds the current structure of UK politics.

    Trouble is even the Tories on PB are talking about controlling who succeeds. Even HYUFD doesn't want certain Royals to succeed,which the law requires if a certain succession (no pun intended) of events happens.

    It's all nonsense anyway. One moment James VII and II was King, divine right, all the dressings and garnishes. Next thing, it's all evaporated and someone else is It.
    I favour a Republic, but I don't think there's a logical problem with a Constitutional Monarchy where divine right is junked and the legislature tries not to interfere in the succession, but will do so if they think it is necessary.
    The Jacobites sure had a logical problem with it!
  • AlsoLeiAlsoLei Posts: 1,500

    Yeah, because who's never digitally altered their children's cardigan with clone tool... eh?

    Like many amateur photographers, I do occasionally experiment with editing. I wanted to express my apologies for any confusion the family photograph we shared yesterday caused. I hope everyone celebrating had a very happy Mother’s Day. C

    https://x.com/kensingtonroyal/status/1767135566645092616?s=61&t=c6bcp0cjChLfQN5Tc8A_6g

    https://x.com/jakubkrupa/status/1767137347265597792?s=61&t=c6bcp0cjChLfQN5Tc8A_6g

    So, it's all Kate's fault?

    Weird that she didn't post an un-edited version of the pic alongside her "confession"...
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,755
    HYUFD said:

    Foxy said:

    Stocky said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    “Darling how’s that photo that proves you’re alive coming along?”

    “5 more minutes, I’m just doing a bit of casual photoshopping on it, do you think they’ll notice?”

    I mean, I’ll take the explanation at face value, because I can’t imagine any PR team being quite so inept.

    I actually feel sorry for Kate. There are obviously health issues and whatever the fuck is going on with slaphead. And she's just trapped and knows that a similar lifetime of fuckedupedness awaits all of her children. What fucking inescapable misery.
    I agree. That's why those who are envious are so wrongheaded.

    It's a jail. A gilded one, but still a jail.
    Smartest thing that Harry and Meghan did was to get out.
    Without their titles and his place in line of succession, which they haven't given up, Harry is only a minor army officer and Meghan a C- list actress
    Out of interest, what rank in the British army and rung of Hollywood have you reached?
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,707

    We need some polling in Ashfield.
    I would not at all be surprised if Anderson retained his seat in the GE, and, for approximately similar reasons, if Galloway retained Rochdale.

    Isn’t the Independent up before the beak before too long?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,341
    moonshine said:

    HYUFD said:

    Foxy said:

    Stocky said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    “Darling how’s that photo that proves you’re alive coming along?”

    “5 more minutes, I’m just doing a bit of casual photoshopping on it, do you think they’ll notice?”

    I mean, I’ll take the explanation at face value, because I can’t imagine any PR team being quite so inept.

    I actually feel sorry for Kate. There are obviously health issues and whatever the fuck is going on with slaphead. And she's just trapped and knows that a similar lifetime of fuckedupedness awaits all of her children. What fucking inescapable misery.
    I agree. That's why those who are envious are so wrongheaded.

    It's a jail. A gilded one, but still a jail.
    Smartest thing that Harry and Meghan did was to get out.
    Without their titles and his place in line of succession, which they haven't given up, Harry is only a minor army officer and Meghan a C- list actress
    Out of interest, what rank in the British army and rung of Hollywood have you reached?
    And did HYUFD serve in the Cavalry or the Royal Tank Regiment? The nation has a right to know.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,580
    TOPPING said:

    WTAF

    Coffee should be made in a cafetiere first pouring a small amount of not boiled water over the ground beans and then just off boiling water added later. Stirred with a wooden spoon.

    As followers of my coffee adventures will be only too well aware, I would out of choice use Swiss Water Processed Decaffeinated Colombian from the Algerian Coffee Store, obvs.

    All the fancy gizmos on the planet, and for sure not those gopping "pods" can't compare with that.

    In fact, it was put to me some time ago that "proper" coffee should be made by putting the ground beans in a jug and filling with off-boiling water, and then one small cup of cold water should be poured over it once settled, which would take all the grounds to the bottom of the jug. No plunger required.

    lol, no

    As I have finally realised, quite late in life, there is only one way to guarantee a truly magnificent cup of coffee, every time

    For one perfect cup of coffee: go to Colombia, have a coffee

    It really is the best in the world
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,707
    AlsoLei said:

    Yeah, because who's never digitally altered their children's cardigan with clone tool... eh?

    Like many amateur photographers, I do occasionally experiment with editing. I wanted to express my apologies for any confusion the family photograph we shared yesterday caused. I hope everyone celebrating had a very happy Mother’s Day. C

    https://x.com/kensingtonroyal/status/1767135566645092616?s=61&t=c6bcp0cjChLfQN5Tc8A_6g

    https://x.com/jakubkrupa/status/1767137347265597792?s=61&t=c6bcp0cjChLfQN5Tc8A_6g

    So, it's all Kate's fault?

    Weird that she didn't post an un-edited version of the pic alongside her "confession"...
    Perhaps it’s just that Charlotte had her fingers in a potentially offensive pose. Although I would have thought one of the boys was more likely to do that!
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,683
    Stocky said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    “Darling how’s that photo that proves you’re alive coming along?”

    “5 more minutes, I’m just doing a bit of casual photoshopping on it, do you think they’ll notice?”

    I mean, I’ll take the explanation at face value, because I can’t imagine any PR team being quite so inept.

    I actually feel sorry for Kate. There are obviously health issues and whatever the fuck is going on with slaphead. And she's just trapped and knows that a similar lifetime of fuckedupedness awaits all of her children. What fucking inescapable misery.
    I agree. That's why those who are envious are so wrongheaded.

    It's a jail. A gilded one, but still a jail.
    Although in her case a gilded jail that she set out to put herself into, by all accounts (attending the same Uni with the intention of snaring the future King, and succeeding).
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,834

    However, if you want an outside bet, might it be Boris? He doesn't have an obvious route back via the Tories, his clock is ticking (he's 62 this year), and the window is open for a realignment on the right.

    Two questions.

    1. Is Boris interested?

    I'm sure he feels hard done by in being pushed out as PM, and would love to be vindicated by a return, but he bottled his one good chance for a comeback when Truss was pushed out.

    2. Would Farage be happy to play second fiddle?

    Farage absolutely hated the experience of having Carswell as a UKIP MP who wasn't willing to do exactly as he was told. Reform UK is the Farage ego vehicle, I don't think there's room for Boris's ego too.
    On those (and we're talking hypotheticals here):

    1. Who knows? He's interested in a comeback if it were handed on a plate, which is essentially his life's story, in no small way. But there isn't an easy path back now. Maybe he's happy earning big money making easy speeches and penning lazy articles. But I suspect not. He wants the limelight.

    2. Yes, he would, to the right lead. As he did in the Brexit referendum.
    Farage was pretty damning of Johnson on the C4 Rise and Fall of Boris Johnson doc series (episode 2).
    Yes. So have many been - yet they keep being drawn back.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,149
    Just how bad were all the other moves?


  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,909
    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    The Ashfield seat is a bit of an odd one with an Independent who split the Labour vote and came second. The suggestion on WIki is that this independent is going to stand again which confuses matters somewhat but on current polling this looks like an easy Labour win, especially if Anderson, standing for Reform, splits the Tory vote to any extent.

    So his political career was coming to an end anyway. Oh dear, never mind etc.

    Could be the seat with the lowest winning share of the vote.
    Possible, but Scotland is probably more likely to have the record holder for that.
    South Down (SF, 32.4%) is the record holder from 2019. I'd like to think the next election would see a winning share below 30% somewhere.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,683

    Dura_Ace said:

    “Darling how’s that photo that proves you’re alive coming along?”

    “5 more minutes, I’m just doing a bit of casual photoshopping on it, do you think they’ll notice?”

    I mean, I’ll take the explanation at face value, because I can’t imagine any PR team being quite so inept.

    I actually feel sorry for Kate. There are obviously health issues and whatever the fuck is going on with slaphead. And she's just trapped and knows that a similar lifetime of fuckedupedness awaits all of her children. What fucking inescapable misery.
    Kate chose her future, whereas William was born into it and indoctrinated to accept it. I have more sympathy for those born into it than those who choose it by marriage.
    Should we consider Kate as one of those mental fangirls who write to US lifers who’ve made clothes out of the skins of their murder victims and ends up marrying them?
    More akin to the girls/women who seek out premiership footballers to get their ticket to riches...
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,899
    edited March 11

    We need some polling in Ashfield.
    I would not at all be surprised if Anderson retained his seat in the GE, and, for approximately similar reasons, if Galloway retained Rochdale.

    I couldn't possibly comment on that :smile: !!

    Because I have not got the foggiest idea what will happen.

    As background, changes I am noticing over 10-15 years are:

    1 - A fair few new houses have been built. We don't do new towns, but there are plenty of developments from 100-500 and a couple of 1000-2000, houses.
    2 - Rather more people from brown / black ethnicities. Not a lot, but it reminds me of say some of the remaining WWC areas of London 30 years ago - eg the area around Myddleton Square in East London when I used to visit to do an MSc (in Software Reliability of all things) in the early 1990s.
    3 - Lots of Polish. The two display languages at my GP are English and Polish.
    4 - Integration with Nottingham - the Hucknall end is on the Nottingham Tram Network, and is in practice becoming a suburb.
    5 - More commuting by people who live this way for more attractive house prices.

    There have also been modest boundary adjustments.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 36,099
    @PGMcNamara

    Just been sent this by a Conservative MP…👀

    “This post has been deleted”


  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 36,099
    @nicholascecil

    “It was them that financially backed me, it’s them that’s protected me, it’s them that’s given me a political home. So why would I knife them in the back?” said Lee Anderson of the Tories weeks ago...
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,899
    Scott_xP said:

    @nicholascecil

    “It was them that financially backed me, it’s them that’s protected me, it’s them that’s given me a political home. So why would I knife them in the back?” said Lee Anderson of the Tories weeks ago...

    The bald answer to that is that they knifed everyone north of Birmingham in the back.

    Both Leeanderthal and Zadrozny go on about the £50-100 million or so that has been forthcoming from the Towns Fund etc, but the context is the larger sums that have been withdrawn by salami-slicing, and a set of values about public realm and public services that are nihilistic.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,410
    I'm staggered by the fact Kate's altered her own photos - I'd have thought it would be the function of one of her 8 communications staff.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,890

    DELETED - duplicate

    Duplicate? Have you also left for Refuk?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,119
    Carnyx said:

    moonshine said:

    HYUFD said:

    Foxy said:

    Stocky said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    “Darling how’s that photo that proves you’re alive coming along?”

    “5 more minutes, I’m just doing a bit of casual photoshopping on it, do you think they’ll notice?”

    I mean, I’ll take the explanation at face value, because I can’t imagine any PR team being quite so inept.

    I actually feel sorry for Kate. There are obviously health issues and whatever the fuck is going on with slaphead. And she's just trapped and knows that a similar lifetime of fuckedupedness awaits all of her children. What fucking inescapable misery.
    I agree. That's why those who are envious are so wrongheaded.

    It's a jail. A gilded one, but still a jail.
    Smartest thing that Harry and Meghan did was to get out.
    Without their titles and his place in line of succession, which they haven't given up, Harry is only a minor army officer and Meghan a C- list actress
    Out of interest, what rank in the British army and rung of Hollywood have you reached?
    And did HYUFD serve in the Cavalry or the Royal Tank Regiment? The nation has a right to know.
    Covenanter was issued to the Guards, IIRC, for training and home service…
  • TheValiantTheValiant Posts: 1,882
    eek said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    eek said:

    148grss said:

    When is the latest that a May election to coincide with the locals can be called? I assume that Sunak wouldn't want to do that, but I kind of feel now the more time he gives to Reform to campaign the worst things will be for him. I have to imagine more Tory MPs would now like an earlier election than not.

    I believe that March 27th is the latest that Parliament can be dissolved for a May 2nd election, so in practice the election would have to be announced a day or two before that so that the loose ends of the session could be dealt with.
    Tuesday March 26th, Easter adds 2 none working days to the calculation.
    A dissolution ready reckoner for all possible election Thursdays:

    https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-9921/

    "Dissolution is deemed to have occurred just after midnight at the start of the day", so I guess Monday would be the last sitting day.
    Which is why I said a while back that were an election to be called for May 2nd it would be some point next week say after PMQs on March 20th
    Hasn't DavidL already said that in practice you need a week to finalise Parliamentary business anyway as well. So realistically, I think this Friday.... maybe Monday 18th, is the last practical date.

    Put simply, if we're still talking about when the election is a week from now, then it's not going to be 2nd May.
    And if he doesn't go for 2nd May, he won't do anything as daft as 9th May. A May GE will coincide with the locals. After that, he'll probably let inertia drag him into October......
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,179
    So Kate Middleton has joined ReFuk and Lee Anderson has been airbrushed from the Conservative Party.

    Or something.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,899

    We need some polling in Ashfield.
    I would not at all be surprised if Anderson retained his seat in the GE, and, for approximately similar reasons, if Galloway retained Rochdale.

    Isn’t the Independent up before the beak before too long?
    2025. In Northampton. Very Trumpish.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,410
    MattW said:

    We need some polling in Ashfield.
    I would not at all be surprised if Anderson retained his seat in the GE, and, for approximately similar reasons, if Galloway retained Rochdale.

    I couldn't possibly comment on that :smile: !!

    Because I have not got the foggiest idea what will happen.

    As background, changes I am noticing over 10-15 years are:

    1 - A fair few new houses have been built. We don't do new towns, but there are plenty of developments from 100-500 and a couple of 1000-2000, houses.
    2 - Rather more people from brown / black ethnicities. Not a lot, but it reminds me of say some of the remaining WWC areas of London 30 years ago - eg the area around Myddleton Square in East London when I used to visit to do an MSc (in Software Reliability of all things) in the early 1990s.
    3 - Lots of Polish. The two display languages at my GP are English and Polish.
    4 - Integration with Nottingham - the Hucknall end is on the Nottingham Tram Network, and is in practice becoming a suburb.
    5 - More commuting by people who live this way for more attractive house prices.

    There have also been modest boundary adjustments.
    1,3 and 5 are definitely true of Bassetlaw too - it'll be intriguing to see what vote reform get in my constituency, you can't really get more of a reform in Tory clothing MP than BCS ! I expect nevertheless Reform will do well enough that he loses the seat to Labour - probably a smaller swing than national mind.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,899
    MattW said:

    We need some polling in Ashfield.
    I would not at all be surprised if Anderson retained his seat in the GE, and, for approximately similar reasons, if Galloway retained Rochdale.

    I couldn't possibly comment on that :smile: !!

    Because I have not got the foggiest idea what will happen.

    As background, changes I am noticing over 10-15 years are:

    1 - A fair few new houses have been built. We don't do new towns, but there are plenty of developments from 100-500 and a couple of 1000-2000, houses.
    2 - Rather more people from brown / black ethnicities. Not a lot, but it reminds me of say some of the remaining WWC areas of London 30 years ago - eg the area around Myddleton Square in East London when I used to visit to do an MSc (in Software Reliability of all things) in the early 1990s.
    3 - Lots of Polish. The two display languages at my GP are English and Polish.
    4 - Integration with Nottingham - the Hucknall end is on the Nottingham Tram Network, and is in practice becoming a suburb.
    5 - More commuting by people who live this way for more attractive house prices.

    There have also been modest boundary adjustments.
    Catching up with the Leeanderthal news, I'd be looking at Carswell and Reckless for precedent, though I don't think Anderson has the stature or the principles.

    Ashfield - Labour, depending on candidate? A Blue Labour candidate, perhaps?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,410
    MattW said:

    We need some polling in Ashfield.
    I would not at all be surprised if Anderson retained his seat in the GE, and, for approximately similar reasons, if Galloway retained Rochdale.

    Isn’t the Independent up before the beak before too long?
    2025. In Northampton. Very Trumpish.
    Do you think Zadrozny could win Ashfield ?
  • TazTaz Posts: 15,036
    edited March 11
    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    We need some polling in Ashfield.
    I would not at all be surprised if Anderson retained his seat in the GE, and, for approximately similar reasons, if Galloway retained Rochdale.

    I couldn't possibly comment on that :smile: !!

    Because I have not got the foggiest idea what will happen.

    As background, changes I am noticing over 10-15 years are:

    1 - A fair few new houses have been built. We don't do new towns, but there are plenty of developments from 100-500 and a couple of 1000-2000, houses.
    2 - Rather more people from brown / black ethnicities. Not a lot, but it reminds me of say some of the remaining WWC areas of London 30 years ago - eg the area around Myddleton Square in East London when I used to visit to do an MSc (in Software Reliability of all things) in the early 1990s.
    3 - Lots of Polish. The two display languages at my GP are English and Polish.
    4 - Integration with Nottingham - the Hucknall end is on the Nottingham Tram Network, and is in practice becoming a suburb.
    5 - More commuting by people who live this way for more attractive house prices.

    There have also been modest boundary adjustments.
    Catching up with the Leeanderthal news, I'd be looking at Carswell and Reckless for precedent, though I don't think Anderson has the stature or the principles.

    Ashfield - Labour, depending on candidate? A Blue Labour candidate, perhaps?
    Well parachuting in Starmer supporting London based candidates with little link to the area but who promises to get a house there when elected has not been a failure for them so far.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,889
    moonshine said:

    HYUFD said:

    Foxy said:

    Stocky said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    “Darling how’s that photo that proves you’re alive coming along?”

    “5 more minutes, I’m just doing a bit of casual photoshopping on it, do you think they’ll notice?”

    I mean, I’ll take the explanation at face value, because I can’t imagine any PR team being quite so inept.

    I actually feel sorry for Kate. There are obviously health issues and whatever the fuck is going on with slaphead. And she's just trapped and knows that a similar lifetime of fuckedupedness awaits all of her children. What fucking inescapable misery.
    I agree. That's why those who are envious are so wrongheaded.

    It's a jail. A gilded one, but still a jail.
    Smartest thing that Harry and Meghan did was to get out.
    Without their titles and his place in line of succession, which they haven't given up, Harry is only a minor army officer and Meghan a C- list actress
    Out of interest, what rank in the British army and rung of Hollywood have you reached?
    I was in the CCF but I also didn't get millions from book deals and a netflix deal solely down to my Royal titles I still keep and royal links while no longer doing any royal duties for them! At least Zara and Peter Phillips have no titles while not being working royals
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,580
    Getting Kate to admit the Midjourneying of her “family photo” is clever. Everyone feels sorry for her, for multiple reasons; it closes down the story from several angles - press cannot angrily question a recently-hospitalised woman, not even at one remove

    However there are problems. Such as: it is surely a lie

    My best guess: she is seriously ill, she’s in no state to do family photos, she doesn’t look well, but with the king also hors de combat they felt the public needed SOME reassurance. Hence Princess Dalle3 and her Sora family

  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,452
    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    We need some polling in Ashfield.
    I would not at all be surprised if Anderson retained his seat in the GE, and, for approximately similar reasons, if Galloway retained Rochdale.

    I couldn't possibly comment on that :smile: !!

    Because I have not got the foggiest idea what will happen.

    As background, changes I am noticing over 10-15 years are:

    1 - A fair few new houses have been built. We don't do new towns, but there are plenty of developments from 100-500 and a couple of 1000-2000, houses.
    2 - Rather more people from brown / black ethnicities. Not a lot, but it reminds me of say some of the remaining WWC areas of London 30 years ago - eg the area around Myddleton Square in East London when I used to visit to do an MSc (in Software Reliability of all things) in the early 1990s.
    3 - Lots of Polish. The two display languages at my GP are English and Polish.
    4 - Integration with Nottingham - the Hucknall end is on the Nottingham Tram Network, and is in practice becoming a suburb.
    5 - More commuting by people who live this way for more attractive house prices.

    There have also been modest boundary adjustments.
    Catching up with the Leeanderthal news, I'd be looking at Carswell and Reckless for precedent, though I don't think Anderson has the stature or the principles.

    Ashfield - Labour, depending on candidate? A Blue Labour candidate, perhaps?
    The percentages last time were:
    Con 39 Ind 28 Lab 24 BXP 5

    So an 8 point swing would be enough for Labour to win, absent any other changes.

    But the demographic changes are interesting. My hunch is that right-populism does best right at the beginning of social changes. The first brown face, middle class commuter, visibly gay couple or Polish shop is the most traumatic.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,889

    HYUFD said:

    Foxy said:

    Stocky said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    “Darling how’s that photo that proves you’re alive coming along?”

    “5 more minutes, I’m just doing a bit of casual photoshopping on it, do you think they’ll notice?”

    I mean, I’ll take the explanation at face value, because I can’t imagine any PR team being quite so inept.

    I actually feel sorry for Kate. There are obviously health issues and whatever the fuck is going on with slaphead. And she's just trapped and knows that a similar lifetime of fuckedupedness awaits all of her children. What fucking inescapable misery.
    I agree. That's why those who are envious are so wrongheaded.

    It's a jail. A gilded one, but still a jail.
    Smartest thing that Harry and Meghan did was to get out.
    Without their titles and his place in line of succession, which they haven't given up, Harry is only a minor army officer and Meghan a C- list actress
    At least Meghan hasnt got a husband committing adultery in broad daylight
    You obviously haven't read the blinds about Harry and Meghan for that matter in recent weeks, not that that means they are true of course
  • AlsoLeiAlsoLei Posts: 1,500
    Pulpstar said:

    MattW said:

    We need some polling in Ashfield.
    I would not at all be surprised if Anderson retained his seat in the GE, and, for approximately similar reasons, if Galloway retained Rochdale.

    I couldn't possibly comment on that :smile: !!

    Because I have not got the foggiest idea what will happen.

    As background, changes I am noticing over 10-15 years are:

    1 - A fair few new houses have been built. We don't do new towns, but there are plenty of developments from 100-500 and a couple of 1000-2000, houses.
    2 - Rather more people from brown / black ethnicities. Not a lot, but it reminds me of say some of the remaining WWC areas of London 30 years ago - eg the area around Myddleton Square in East London when I used to visit to do an MSc (in Software Reliability of all things) in the early 1990s.
    3 - Lots of Polish. The two display languages at my GP are English and Polish.
    4 - Integration with Nottingham - the Hucknall end is on the Nottingham Tram Network, and is in practice becoming a suburb.
    5 - More commuting by people who live this way for more attractive house prices.

    There have also been modest boundary adjustments.
    1,3 and 5 are definitely true of Bassetlaw too - it'll be intriguing to see what vote reform get in my constituency, you can't really get more of a reform in Tory clothing MP than BCS ! I expect nevertheless Reform will do well enough that he loses the seat to Labour - probably a smaller swing than national mind.
    I wonder if BCS might not be tempted to defect too - Bassetlaw is probably lost to the Tories whatever happens, but there may still be an opportunity for it to swing towards Refuk rather than Starmer's Labour.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,564
    MattW said:

    We need some polling in Ashfield.
    I would not at all be surprised if Anderson retained his seat in the GE, and, for approximately similar reasons, if Galloway retained Rochdale.

    I couldn't possibly comment on that :smile: !!

    Because I have not got the foggiest idea what will happen.

    As background, changes I am noticing over 10-15 years are:

    1 - A fair few new houses have been built. We don't do new towns, but there are plenty of developments from 100-500 and a couple of 1000-2000, houses.
    2 - Rather more people from brown / black ethnicities. Not a lot, but it reminds me of say some of the remaining WWC areas of London 30 years ago - eg the area around Myddleton Square in East London when I used to visit to do an MSc (in Software Reliability of all things) in the early 1990s.
    3 - Lots of Polish. The two display languages at my GP are English and Polish.
    4 - Integration with Nottingham - the Hucknall end is on the Nottingham Tram Network, and is in practice becoming a suburb.
    5 - More commuting by people who live this way for more attractive house prices.

    There have also been modest boundary adjustments.
    Ashfield was the next seat to Broxtowe and we shared a couple of local authority wards (one of which was held by the BNP for a while). It often struck me that when I met anyone from the constituency from any party, they would be telling me within minutes how they hated someone else - compared with generally mild-mannered Broxtowe, it seemed to be an absolute snakepit. The Independent was as much a LibDem splitter as a Labour one, and moderates of any colour seemed few and far between. But I think it's become much less of any of that, partly for the reaspns MattW sets out, and I'd think Labour has a decent chance of beating the rabble of alternatives.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,889
    148grss said:

    HYUFD said:

    148grss said:

    HYUFD said:

    148grss said:

    HYUFD said:

    148grss said:

    HYUFD said:

    moonshine said:

    HYUFD said:

    TOPPING said:

    148grss said:

    TOPPING said:

    148grss said:

    Back after an awful week. Apparently I still can't manage significant physical exertion and an exercise assessment a few days before a walking tour put me out for a week with fatigue, where I had to have a lie in and afternoon nap each day just to manage. Long covid is a bitch. (For those wondering why sickness has increased amongst workers, I would say look no further).

    Having been away for a week (which is a long time in politics) I just have to say - WTF is going on with these Kate pictures?

    Welcome back and it's good to see an anarcho-syndicalist focusing on the critical issue facing the workers today.
    Hey, any weakness in the royals is an opportunity to get rid of them, and I think that is important - especially since material change isn't happening anytime soon with the SKSs Labour party essentially talking the space left by David Cameron's Tory Party.
    For the first time I do believe that the Royals seem (not only physiologically) creaky.

    King down, Harry out, Kate who knows, William a cad.

    George is no Richard II.
    I think we should be prepping ourselves for King Harry and Queen Meghan.

    Or Harry as Regent at least.
    Not happening, there is no suggestion of any problem with William so he will still be next King.

    Even if there was as you say it would be King George not King Harry with Harry at most regent for a few years.

    Don't forget William is about 20 years older than his grandmother was when she became monarch after her father died
    I wouldn’t be so sure about that. There would be no appetite in the country for Harry to be either monarch or regent, as reflected in the 2022 counsellors of state bill, which restored Anne and Edward back to their prior role.

    Depending on the circumstances of William not taking the job, he or his wife may decide they dont want that life for his kids either and so parliament removes them from the line of succession too (see the brief parliamentary instrument removing Edward and future heirs from succession).

    So if not William nor kids, nor Harry (nor kids), it’s Andrew. Obvs that doesn’t work either. By now we’re abandoning primogeniture and picking who we want. Next in line Andy’s kids. Fergie as queen mother. Really?? You can’t easily skip past them for the obvious candidates of Edward/Sophie without unravelling the whole thing.

    Potentially it’s a very very big mess.
    In such circumstances parliament would likely legislate to give it to Edward or Anne before the Accession Council with the throne continuing down their line.

    However William is almost certainly going to be King followed by George so it will not be an issue

    And in such a circumstance I think the "magic" of monarchy dies. The monarchy barely survived the abdication crisis of the 1900's; they wouldn't be able to survive in the modern era doing something similar. People would, correctly, suggest that such a system of privilege for people based purely on their bloodline is absolutely ridiculous, as is the idea that they somehow unify the country or uphold stability - because the very crisis itself would disprove both those things.

    The monarchy lucked out with Lizzie - we got a Queen at a time of progress so we wouldn't have to confront a King during the fight for women's rights and such, she had seen the abdication crisis first hand so didn't want to do anything that could lead to that happening again, and she was so young when she got the throne that she was rooted in the heads of three generations of people as The Queen. She messed up the whole Diana thing, which could have been a proper turning point against the royals, but other than that a relatively good run. Now we have her unloved son as King and his broken sons.
    Even Charles is far more popular than any politician would be and William massively more so.

    If we ever were a republic as I said I would vote for the most far right candidate possible, if Republicans want to end constitutional monarchy I will push for the most divisive hard right head of state possible instead
    I don't understand why we would need to replace them with anything - or why a head of state needs political power. You could roll the speakership into a nominal head of state for all I care - or be like RoI which has a purely ceremonial figure. As long as we get shift of the sponging bastards who claim to be better than us all due to their special blood, or a dictat from God or whatever, I don't care.
    The Irish President is himself an ex politician who was in the Dail, he has angered Israel with his Gaza comments and his wife angered Ukraine pushing for a peace deal with the Kremlin. He also brings in no real tourism, royal wedding, coronation or jubilee revenue and his successor is like to be Bertie Ahern, the Irish Blair and another ex politician
    The whole "monarchy brings in tourist money" thing just isn't true. France has a huge number of tourists - even to the palaces that don't have living monarchs in them. London is a tourist magnet because it is arguably the cultural hub of the English speaking world - second possibly to NYC. It isn't dependent on the royals still existing. And hell, if Buckingham Palace was turned into a museum, I'm sure that would have a hell of a lot of tourists too. Lots of royal stuff that no longer functions as it does (the Tower of London, for example) is still of interest to tourists. A living, politically powerful, royal family is not necessary for that. And even if it was true - I don't care. It is morally abhorrent, I don't care if it makes money (although I don't believe it does).
    Tourists can't even visit the Elysee Palace where Macron lives except on rare open days unlike Buckingham Palace
    The Palace of Versailles has ~15 million visitors annually. No monarchs to be seen.
    We have Hampton Court and who built both? A King not a President.

    We also have royal wedding, jubilee and coronation revenue from tourists the world over.

    Other than that we lose to France on weather, they have sunny south of France we have frequent wet weekends in Blackpool and Bognor. They have ski resorts we don't, they still have higher ranked restaurants overall and they have just as many historic chateaus and palaces.

  • TazTaz Posts: 15,036
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Foxy said:

    Stocky said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    “Darling how’s that photo that proves you’re alive coming along?”

    “5 more minutes, I’m just doing a bit of casual photoshopping on it, do you think they’ll notice?”

    I mean, I’ll take the explanation at face value, because I can’t imagine any PR team being quite so inept.

    I actually feel sorry for Kate. There are obviously health issues and whatever the fuck is going on with slaphead. And she's just trapped and knows that a similar lifetime of fuckedupedness awaits all of her children. What fucking inescapable misery.
    I agree. That's why those who are envious are so wrongheaded.

    It's a jail. A gilded one, but still a jail.
    Smartest thing that Harry and Meghan did was to get out.
    Without their titles and his place in line of succession, which they haven't given up, Harry is only a minor army officer and Meghan a C- list actress
    At least Meghan hasnt got a husband committing adultery in broad daylight
    You obviously haven't read the blinds about Harry and Meghan for that matter in recent weeks, not that that means they are true of course
    Don't tell me youre an afficianado of Crazy Days and Nights HYUFD ?
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,046
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Foxy said:

    Stocky said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    “Darling how’s that photo that proves you’re alive coming along?”

    “5 more minutes, I’m just doing a bit of casual photoshopping on it, do you think they’ll notice?”

    I mean, I’ll take the explanation at face value, because I can’t imagine any PR team being quite so inept.

    I actually feel sorry for Kate. There are obviously health issues and whatever the fuck is going on with slaphead. And she's just trapped and knows that a similar lifetime of fuckedupedness awaits all of her children. What fucking inescapable misery.
    I agree. That's why those who are envious are so wrongheaded.

    It's a jail. A gilded one, but still a jail.
    Smartest thing that Harry and Meghan did was to get out.
    Without their titles and his place in line of succession, which they haven't given up, Harry is only a minor army officer and Meghan a C- list actress
    At least Meghan hasnt got a husband committing adultery in broad daylight
    You obviously haven't read the blinds about Harry and Meghan for that matter in recent weeks, not that that means they are true of course
    HYUFD that is the second time today that you have spread tittle tattle about our Royal Family. Now, you may not like or respect them but will you please try to rein in your phantasmagorical imagination in order not to offend those people who are, for example, monarchical tories (whatever tf that is).

    Please desist.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,341
    HYUFD said:

    148grss said:

    HYUFD said:

    148grss said:

    HYUFD said:

    148grss said:

    HYUFD said:

    148grss said:

    HYUFD said:

    moonshine said:

    HYUFD said:

    TOPPING said:

    148grss said:

    TOPPING said:

    148grss said:

    Back after an awful week. Apparently I still can't manage significant physical exertion and an exercise assessment a few days before a walking tour put me out for a week with fatigue, where I had to have a lie in and afternoon nap each day just to manage. Long covid is a bitch. (For those wondering why sickness has increased amongst workers, I would say look no further).

    Having been away for a week (which is a long time in politics) I just have to say - WTF is going on with these Kate pictures?

    Welcome back and it's good to see an anarcho-syndicalist focusing on the critical issue facing the workers today.
    Hey, any weakness in the royals is an opportunity to get rid of them, and I think that is important - especially since material change isn't happening anytime soon with the SKSs Labour party essentially talking the space left by David Cameron's Tory Party.
    For the first time I do believe that the Royals seem (not only physiologically) creaky.

    King down, Harry out, Kate who knows, William a cad.

    George is no Richard II.
    I think we should be prepping ourselves for King Harry and Queen Meghan.

    Or Harry as Regent at least.
    Not happening, there is no suggestion of any problem with William so he will still be next King.

    Even if there was as you say it would be King George not King Harry with Harry at most regent for a few years.

    Don't forget William is about 20 years older than his grandmother was when she became monarch after her father died
    I wouldn’t be so sure about that. There would be no appetite in the country for Harry to be either monarch or regent, as reflected in the 2022 counsellors of state bill, which restored Anne and Edward back to their prior role.

    Depending on the circumstances of William not taking the job, he or his wife may decide they dont want that life for his kids either and so parliament removes them from the line of succession too (see the brief parliamentary instrument removing Edward and future heirs from succession).

    So if not William nor kids, nor Harry (nor kids), it’s Andrew. Obvs that doesn’t work either. By now we’re abandoning primogeniture and picking who we want. Next in line Andy’s kids. Fergie as queen mother. Really?? You can’t easily skip past them for the obvious candidates of Edward/Sophie without unravelling the whole thing.

    Potentially it’s a very very big mess.
    In such circumstances parliament would likely legislate to give it to Edward or Anne before the Accession Council with the throne continuing down their line.

    However William is almost certainly going to be King followed by George so it will not be an issue

    And in such a circumstance I think the "magic" of monarchy dies. The monarchy barely survived the abdication crisis of the 1900's; they wouldn't be able to survive in the modern era doing something similar. People would, correctly, suggest that such a system of privilege for people based purely on their bloodline is absolutely ridiculous, as is the idea that they somehow unify the country or uphold stability - because the very crisis itself would disprove both those things.

    The monarchy lucked out with Lizzie - we got a Queen at a time of progress so we wouldn't have to confront a King during the fight for women's rights and such, she had seen the abdication crisis first hand so didn't want to do anything that could lead to that happening again, and she was so young when she got the throne that she was rooted in the heads of three generations of people as The Queen. She messed up the whole Diana thing, which could have been a proper turning point against the royals, but other than that a relatively good run. Now we have her unloved son as King and his broken sons.
    Even Charles is far more popular than any politician would be and William massively more so.

    If we ever were a republic as I said I would vote for the most far right candidate possible, if Republicans want to end constitutional monarchy I will push for the most divisive hard right head of state possible instead
    I don't understand why we would need to replace them with anything - or why a head of state needs political power. You could roll the speakership into a nominal head of state for all I care - or be like RoI which has a purely ceremonial figure. As long as we get shift of the sponging bastards who claim to be better than us all due to their special blood, or a dictat from God or whatever, I don't care.
    The Irish President is himself an ex politician who was in the Dail, he has angered Israel with his Gaza comments and his wife angered Ukraine pushing for a peace deal with the Kremlin. He also brings in no real tourism, royal wedding, coronation or jubilee revenue and his successor is like to be Bertie Ahern, the Irish Blair and another ex politician
    The whole "monarchy brings in tourist money" thing just isn't true. France has a huge number of tourists - even to the palaces that don't have living monarchs in them. London is a tourist magnet because it is arguably the cultural hub of the English speaking world - second possibly to NYC. It isn't dependent on the royals still existing. And hell, if Buckingham Palace was turned into a museum, I'm sure that would have a hell of a lot of tourists too. Lots of royal stuff that no longer functions as it does (the Tower of London, for example) is still of interest to tourists. A living, politically powerful, royal family is not necessary for that. And even if it was true - I don't care. It is morally abhorrent, I don't care if it makes money (although I don't believe it does).
    Tourists can't even visit the Elysee Palace where Macron lives except on rare open days unlike Buckingham Palace
    The Palace of Versailles has ~15 million visitors annually. No monarchs to be seen.
    We have Hampton Court and who built both? A King not a President.

    We also have royal wedding, jubilee and coronation revenue from tourists the world over.

    Other than that we lose to France on weather, they have sunny south of France we have frequent wet weekends in Blackpool and Bognor. They have ski resorts we don't, they still have higher ranked restaurants overall and they have just as many historic chateaus and palaces.

    Be difficult for a President to build a palace in the 16th century.

    And as any fule kno, it was Wolsey who started it, and a dodgy non-divine right usurper who was basically a President only they didn't call him that, who gave it a makeover.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,899
    edited March 11
    Pulpstar said:

    MattW said:

    We need some polling in Ashfield.
    I would not at all be surprised if Anderson retained his seat in the GE, and, for approximately similar reasons, if Galloway retained Rochdale.

    I couldn't possibly comment on that :smile: !!

    Because I have not got the foggiest idea what will happen.

    As background, changes I am noticing over 10-15 years are:

    1 - A fair few new houses have been built. We don't do new towns, but there are plenty of developments from 100-500 and a couple of 1000-2000, houses.
    2 - Rather more people from brown / black ethnicities. Not a lot, but it reminds me of say some of the remaining WWC areas of London 30 years ago - eg the area around Myddleton Square in East London when I used to visit to do an MSc (in Software Reliability of all things) in the early 1990s.
    3 - Lots of Polish. The two display languages at my GP are English and Polish.
    4 - Integration with Nottingham - the Hucknall end is on the Nottingham Tram Network, and is in practice becoming a suburb.
    5 - More commuting by people who live this way for more attractive house prices.

    There have also been modest boundary adjustments.
    1,3 and 5 are definitely true of Bassetlaw too - it'll be intriguing to see what vote reform get in my constituency, you can't really get more of a reform in Tory clothing MP than BCS ! I expect nevertheless Reform will do well enough that he loses the seat to Labour - probably a smaller swing than national mind.
    We are losing some areas to Broxtowe (Eastwood / Brinsley), and gaining from Mansfield (Berry Hill, Bull Farm, Pleasley). Both chunks are a mixture of middle / working class afaics.

    As Lee Anderson put it:

    Ashfield Boundary Changes.

    So at the next election the Ashfield constituency will have a different boundary.
    Eastwood & Brinsley has gone to Broxtowe and I take a tiny bit of Berry Hill as well as Bull Farm & Pleasley from Mansfield.

    The boundaries are changing to equal out the number of people in each constituency.

    I am sad to lose Eastwood & Brinsley but my new areas will get my full attention and cannot wait to get out there.


    https://www.facebook.com/AshfieldConservatives/posts/286025117147125/

    As someone else put in the comments !



  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,391
    For all those wealthy decadents among you with more money than sense, you may be interested in travelling to the States to see the total solar eclipse on April 8th.

    "2024 Total Solar Eclipse: On April 8, 2024, a total solar eclipse will cross North America, passing over Mexico, United States, and Canada". see https://science.nasa.gov/eclipses/future-eclipses/eclipse-2024/
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,317
    The insouciant way HYUFD dropped out “the blinds” was subtly paradigm shaking.
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,755
    Leon said:

    Getting Kate to admit the Midjourneying of her “family photo” is clever. Everyone feels sorry for her, for multiple reasons; it closes down the story from several angles - press cannot angrily question a recently-hospitalised woman, not even at one remove

    However there are problems. Such as: it is surely a lie

    My best guess: she is seriously ill, she’s in no state to do family photos, she doesn’t look well, but with the king also hors de combat they felt the public needed SOME reassurance. Hence Princess Dalle3 and her Sora family

    Everyone has spent all day laughing at how inept the image altering is. It’s destined to become a meme for the ages. And the response from the palace is blame it all on silly Kate going rogue from her own Pr team and making a horrifically embarrassing error. Not a good look.
  • RichardrRichardr Posts: 97

    We need some polling in Ashfield.
    I would not at all be surprised if Anderson retained his seat in the GE, and, for approximately similar reasons, if Galloway retained Rochdale.

    Isn’t the Independent up before the beak before too long?
    Yes - but not until after the general election. The trial is set for February 2025 at Northampton Crown Court.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,317
    I once started reading the “blinds” but I realised I don’t have a fucking clue who 50% of the celebs are. Same with the Mail’s sidebar of shame.

    I’m 45, one imagines this gets worse and worse with age.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,046

    The insouciant way HYUFD dropped out “the blinds” was subtly paradigm shaking.

    We all bang on about the supposed Russian bots but right under our noses we overlook the fact that HYUFD is the most polished practical joker ever to grace the pages of PB.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,651
    Well RUK still aren't getting my vote even with Big Lee onboard.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,391
    148grss said:

    Chameleon said:

    End of the day does anyone trust any UK politician to implement an elected head of state sensibly? They'd beeline for the yank system and we'd end up paying similar for a puffed up useless ego who'd tear to shreds the current structure of UK politics.

    Again, why do we need a head of state separate from the PM? They already do most things a head of state is supposed to do? And if you do want them to be separate from the PM - just give it to the Speaker; that would keep them busy with hosting people and is already a political role that is supposed to be non-partisan. If the Speaker has to host some fancy dinners and occasionally give a speech, that's fine by me - it's still more democratic than people ruling based on their bloodline.
    For the same reason the referee isn't on the team.

    The Monarch appoints the PM to form a government. The Monarch must be sufficiently distanced from the political process to be trusted with this. In extremis the Monarch can remove the PM, and if that happens they have to have sufficient trust amongst the people to do it. It's like saying "why do we need an emergency parachute". You don't need them until you do, but when you do you really do.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,556

    I once started reading the “blinds” but I realised I don’t have a fucking clue who 50% of the celebs are. Same with the Mail’s sidebar of shame.

    I’m 45, one imagines this gets worse and worse with age.

    The sidebar of shame is invaluable - you check it each day and if you don’t know more than one person on there then all is good in your life. Sort of like the apocryphal nuclear sub commander checking that the Today programme is broadcasting.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,707
    HYUFD said:

    148grss said:

    HYUFD said:

    148grss said:

    HYUFD said:

    148grss said:

    HYUFD said:

    148grss said:

    HYUFD said:

    moonshine said:

    HYUFD said:

    TOPPING said:

    148grss said:

    TOPPING said:

    148grss said:

    Back after an awful week. Apparently I still can't manage significant physical exertion and an exercise assessment a few days before a walking tour put me out for a week with fatigue, where I had to have a lie in and afternoon nap each day just to manage. Long covid is a bitch. (For those wondering why sickness has increased amongst workers, I would say look no further).

    Having been away for a week (which is a long time in politics) I just have to say - WTF is going on with these Kate pictures?

    Welcome back and it's good to see an anarcho-syndicalist focusing on the critical issue facing the workers today.
    Hey, any weakness in the royals is an opportunity to get rid of them, and I think that is important - especially since material change isn't happening anytime soon with the SKSs Labour party essentially talking the space left by David Cameron's Tory Party.
    For the first time I do believe that the Royals seem (not only physiologically) creaky.

    King down, Harry out, Kate who knows, William a cad.

    George is no Richard II.
    I think we should be prepping ourselves for King Harry and Queen Meghan.

    Or Harry as Regent at least.
    Not happening, there is no suggestion of any problem with William so he will still be next King.

    Even if there was as you say it would be King George not King Harry with Harry at most regent for a few years.

    Don't forget William is about 20 years older than his grandmother was when she became monarch after her father died
    I wouldn’t be so sure about that. There would be no appetite in the country for Harry to be either monarch or regent, as reflected in the 2022 counsellors of state bill, which restored Anne and Edward back to their prior role.

    Depending on the circumstances of William not taking the job, he or his wife may decide they dont want that life for his kids either and so parliament removes them from the line of succession too (see the brief parliamentary instrument removing Edward and future heirs from succession).

    So if not William nor kids, nor Harry (nor kids), it’s Andrew. Obvs that doesn’t work either. By now we’re abandoning primogeniture and picking who we want. Next in line Andy’s kids. Fergie as queen mother. Really?? You can’t easily skip past them for the obvious candidates of Edward/Sophie without unravelling the whole thing.

    Potentially it’s a very very big mess.
    In such circumstances parliament would likely legislate to give it to Edward or Anne before the Accession Council with the throne continuing down their line.

    However William is almost certainly going to be King followed by George so it will not be an issue

    And in such a circumstance I think the "magic" of monarchy dies. The monarchy barely survived the abdication crisis of the 1900's; they wouldn't be able to survive in the modern era doing something similar. People would, correctly, suggest that such a system of privilege for people based purely on their bloodline is absolutely ridiculous, as is the idea that they somehow unify the country or uphold stability - because the very crisis itself would disprove both those things.

    The monarchy lucked out with Lizzie - we got a Queen at a time of progress so we wouldn't have to confront a King during the fight for women's rights and such, she had seen the abdication crisis first hand so didn't want to do anything that could lead to that happening again, and she was so young when she got the throne that she was rooted in the heads of three generations of people as The Queen. She messed up the whole Diana thing, which could have been a proper turning point against the royals, but other than that a relatively good run. Now we have her unloved son as King and his broken sons.
    Even Charles is far more popular than any politician would be and William massively more so.

    If we ever were a republic as I said I would vote for the most far right candidate possible, if Republicans want to end constitutional monarchy I will push for the most divisive hard right head of state possible instead
    I don't understand why we would need to replace them with anything - or why a head of state needs political power. You could roll the speakership into a nominal head of state for all I care - or be like RoI which has a purely ceremonial figure. As long as we get shift of the sponging bastards who claim to be better than us all due to their special blood, or a dictat from God or whatever, I don't care.
    The Irish President is himself an ex politician who was in the Dail, he has angered Israel with his Gaza comments and his wife angered Ukraine pushing for a peace deal with the Kremlin. He also brings in no real tourism, royal wedding, coronation or jubilee revenue and his successor is like to be Bertie Ahern, the Irish Blair and another ex politician
    The whole "monarchy brings in tourist money" thing just isn't true. France has a huge number of tourists - even to the palaces that don't have living monarchs in them. London is a tourist magnet because it is arguably the cultural hub of the English speaking world - second possibly to NYC. It isn't dependent on the royals still existing. And hell, if Buckingham Palace was turned into a museum, I'm sure that would have a hell of a lot of tourists too. Lots of royal stuff that no longer functions as it does (the Tower of London, for example) is still of interest to tourists. A living, politically powerful, royal family is not necessary for that. And even if it was true - I don't care. It is morally abhorrent, I don't care if it makes money (although I don't believe it does).
    Tourists can't even visit the Elysee Palace where Macron lives except on rare open days unlike Buckingham Palace
    The Palace of Versailles has ~15 million visitors annually. No monarchs to be seen.
    We have Hampton Court and who built both? A King not a President.

    We also have royal wedding, jubilee and coronation revenue from tourists the world over.

    Other than that we lose to France on weather, they have sunny south of France we have frequent wet weekends in Blackpool and Bognor. They have ski resorts we don't, they still have higher ranked restaurants overall and they have just as many historic chateaus and palaces.

    We have ski resorts, unless you’ve already written off Scotland!
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,391

    148grss said:

    Chameleon said:

    End of the day does anyone trust any UK politician to implement an elected head of state sensibly? They'd beeline for the yank system and we'd end up paying similar for a puffed up useless ego who'd tear to shreds the current structure of UK politics.

    Again, why do we need a head of state separate from the PM? They already do most things a head of state is supposed to do? And if you do want them to be separate from the PM - just give it to the Speaker; that would keep them busy with hosting people and is already a political role that is supposed to be non-partisan. If the Speaker has to host some fancy dinners and occasionally give a speech, that's fine by me - it's still more democratic than people ruling based on their bloodline.
    I think we should elect a President, but candidates can only come from actors who have played Doctor Who on television.
    Doctor Who, James Bond, or any dramatic depiction of a British Monarch on stage or screen.
    [Narrator: that means Matt Smith is eligible twice]
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,341
    Leon said:

    Getting Kate to admit the Midjourneying of her “family photo” is clever. Everyone feels sorry for her, for multiple reasons; it closes down the story from several angles - press cannot angrily question a recently-hospitalised woman, not even at one remove

    However there are problems. Such as: it is surely a lie

    My best guess: she is seriously ill, she’s in no state to do family photos, she doesn’t look well, but with the king also hors de combat they felt the public needed SOME reassurance. Hence Princess Dalle3 and her Sora family

    This will be seen to trigger the great realisation: why bother when AI can do it? Much cheaper than a wetware royal family, and no ethical concerns about cruelty to primates in gilded cages.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,341

    HYUFD said:

    148grss said:

    HYUFD said:

    148grss said:

    HYUFD said:

    148grss said:

    HYUFD said:

    148grss said:

    HYUFD said:

    moonshine said:

    HYUFD said:

    TOPPING said:

    148grss said:

    TOPPING said:

    148grss said:

    Back after an awful week. Apparently I still can't manage significant physical exertion and an exercise assessment a few days before a walking tour put me out for a week with fatigue, where I had to have a lie in and afternoon nap each day just to manage. Long covid is a bitch. (For those wondering why sickness has increased amongst workers, I would say look no further).

    Having been away for a week (which is a long time in politics) I just have to say - WTF is going on with these Kate pictures?

    Welcome back and it's good to see an anarcho-syndicalist focusing on the critical issue facing the workers today.
    Hey, any weakness in the royals is an opportunity to get rid of them, and I think that is important - especially since material change isn't happening anytime soon with the SKSs Labour party essentially talking the space left by David Cameron's Tory Party.
    For the first time I do believe that the Royals seem (not only physiologically) creaky.

    King down, Harry out, Kate who knows, William a cad.

    George is no Richard II.
    I think we should be prepping ourselves for King Harry and Queen Meghan.

    Or Harry as Regent at least.
    Not happening, there is no suggestion of any problem with William so he will still be next King.

    Even if there was as you say it would be King George not King Harry with Harry at most regent for a few years.

    Don't forget William is about 20 years older than his grandmother was when she became monarch after her father died
    I wouldn’t be so sure about that. There would be no appetite in the country for Harry to be either monarch or regent, as reflected in the 2022 counsellors of state bill, which restored Anne and Edward back to their prior role.

    Depending on the circumstances of William not taking the job, he or his wife may decide they dont want that life for his kids either and so parliament removes them from the line of succession too (see the brief parliamentary instrument removing Edward and future heirs from succession).

    So if not William nor kids, nor Harry (nor kids), it’s Andrew. Obvs that doesn’t work either. By now we’re abandoning primogeniture and picking who we want. Next in line Andy’s kids. Fergie as queen mother. Really?? You can’t easily skip past them for the obvious candidates of Edward/Sophie without unravelling the whole thing.

    Potentially it’s a very very big mess.
    In such circumstances parliament would likely legislate to give it to Edward or Anne before the Accession Council with the throne continuing down their line.

    However William is almost certainly going to be King followed by George so it will not be an issue

    And in such a circumstance I think the "magic" of monarchy dies. The monarchy barely survived the abdication crisis of the 1900's; they wouldn't be able to survive in the modern era doing something similar. People would, correctly, suggest that such a system of privilege for people based purely on their bloodline is absolutely ridiculous, as is the idea that they somehow unify the country or uphold stability - because the very crisis itself would disprove both those things.

    The monarchy lucked out with Lizzie - we got a Queen at a time of progress so we wouldn't have to confront a King during the fight for women's rights and such, she had seen the abdication crisis first hand so didn't want to do anything that could lead to that happening again, and she was so young when she got the throne that she was rooted in the heads of three generations of people as The Queen. She messed up the whole Diana thing, which could have been a proper turning point against the royals, but other than that a relatively good run. Now we have her unloved son as King and his broken sons.
    Even Charles is far more popular than any politician would be and William massively more so.

    If we ever were a republic as I said I would vote for the most far right candidate possible, if Republicans want to end constitutional monarchy I will push for the most divisive hard right head of state possible instead
    I don't understand why we would need to replace them with anything - or why a head of state needs political power. You could roll the speakership into a nominal head of state for all I care - or be like RoI which has a purely ceremonial figure. As long as we get shift of the sponging bastards who claim to be better than us all due to their special blood, or a dictat from God or whatever, I don't care.
    The Irish President is himself an ex politician who was in the Dail, he has angered Israel with his Gaza comments and his wife angered Ukraine pushing for a peace deal with the Kremlin. He also brings in no real tourism, royal wedding, coronation or jubilee revenue and his successor is like to be Bertie Ahern, the Irish Blair and another ex politician
    The whole "monarchy brings in tourist money" thing just isn't true. France has a huge number of tourists - even to the palaces that don't have living monarchs in them. London is a tourist magnet because it is arguably the cultural hub of the English speaking world - second possibly to NYC. It isn't dependent on the royals still existing. And hell, if Buckingham Palace was turned into a museum, I'm sure that would have a hell of a lot of tourists too. Lots of royal stuff that no longer functions as it does (the Tower of London, for example) is still of interest to tourists. A living, politically powerful, royal family is not necessary for that. And even if it was true - I don't care. It is morally abhorrent, I don't care if it makes money (although I don't believe it does).
    Tourists can't even visit the Elysee Palace where Macron lives except on rare open days unlike Buckingham Palace
    The Palace of Versailles has ~15 million visitors annually. No monarchs to be seen.
    We have Hampton Court and who built both? A King not a President.

    We also have royal wedding, jubilee and coronation revenue from tourists the world over.

    Other than that we lose to France on weather, they have sunny south of France we have frequent wet weekends in Blackpool and Bognor. They have ski resorts we don't, they still have higher ranked restaurants overall and they have just as many historic chateaus and palaces.

    We have ski resorts, unless you’ve already written off Scotland!
    Won't last much longer in France or Scotland, the way the climate is going.

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2024/mar/02/ski-resorts-snow-global-warming-study
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,187

    I once started reading the “blinds” but I realised I don’t have a fucking clue who 50% of the celebs are. Same with the Mail’s sidebar of shame.

    I’m 45, one imagines this gets worse and worse with age.

    Better - you cease caring.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,014
    As my attempts to google "the blinds" has produced endless adverts for window fixings which will no doubt pollute my google searches for many days to come does any hipster out there want to elucidate?
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,963
    Pulpstar said:

    I'm staggered by the fact Kate's altered her own photos - I'd have thought it would be the function of one of her 8 communications staff.

    Has she hell as like done this herself. I would need proof of life of her saying that to show that the proof of life photo wasn't thrown together by someone to cover things up.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,187
    DavidL said:

    As my attempts to google "the blinds" has produced endless adverts for window fixings which will no doubt pollute my google searches for many days to come does any hipster out there want to elucidate?

    Do we not already provide you with a superabundance of triviality ?
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,468
    Way off-topic:

    I just completed my first unofficial sprint triathlon!

    Drove to my local swimming pool, did 750 metres warm up, then an 800 metre continuous swim (750m in 20m40s)
    Drove home, made Mrs J a cup of tea, got into my cycling shorts, and rode 25km (1h 8m)
    Arrived home, made Mrs J a cup of tea, changed into my running shorts, ran 5km (30m 30s)
    Arrived home, made Mrs J a cup of tea

    Quite pleased with this; the swim was delayed as the pool was busy, and the ride was longer than I'd like as I'm a pants rider and it's a new bike whose gears are an arcane mystery to me.

    Not bad as I could not swim freestyle properly at the beginning of the year.

    I'm a very happy bunny. :)
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,909

    I once started reading the “blinds” but I realised I don’t have a fucking clue who 50% of the celebs are. Same with the Mail’s sidebar of shame.

    I’m 45, one imagines this gets worse and worse with age.

    I'm 43 (and it takes longer to work that out every time) and I don't even have a clue what the "blinds" are.

    Aside from the Finland Rumour, all the good stuff is repeated here anyway. Why would I want to look for gossip anywhere else?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,580
    edited March 11
    I like Princess Dall-e-Gate

    It means the royals recognise this is the THE story of the moment. AI permeating human society and - inter alia - rendering visual truth a memory. All else is trivial compared to that

    Once again their travails mirror the changing world, in the most contemporary way. I’m kinda serious
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,149

    Pulpstar said:

    I'm staggered by the fact Kate's altered her own photos - I'd have thought it would be the function of one of her 8 communications staff.

    Has she hell as like done this herself. I would need proof of life of her saying that to show that the proof of life photo wasn't thrown together by someone to cover things up.
    World at One just stated that the pic was edited on a Mac, TSE turned monarchist in a flash.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,187

    Way off-topic:

    I just completed my first unofficial sprint triathlon!

    Drove to my local swimming pool, did 750 metres warm up, then an 800 metre continuous swim (750m in 20m40s)
    Drove home, made Mrs J a cup of tea, got into my cycling shorts, and rode 25km (1h 8m)
    Arrived home, made Mrs J a cup of tea, changed into my running shorts, ran 5km (30m 30s)
    Arrived home, made Mrs J a cup of tea

    Quite pleased with this; the swim was delayed as the pool was busy, and the ride was longer than I'd like as I'm a pants rider and it's a new bike whose gears are an arcane mystery to me.

    Not bad as I could not swim freestyle properly at the beginning of the year.

    I'm a very happy bunny. :)

    Is "riding pants" a technique like swimming freestyle ?
    And have they booked Mrs J for the Paris Olympics (and if not, for whom do the competitors prepare tea) ?
  • TheValiantTheValiant Posts: 1,882
    Scott_xP said:

    @JamesTapsfield

    Ukip veteran: 'Anderson and Tice will be screaming at each other. Lee's staff will suddenly be dealing with the incompetence of Reform's staff and it will be like Carswell all over again.'

    Perhaps.

    Anderson is a lot worse than Carswell (who I always thought was a good MP), but I think Tice is better than Farage (I don't know why, but Tice seems more reasonable to me than Farage is/did).
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,377
    Any chance Anderson could so us all a favour and take loopy Liz and Sue-Ellen with him?
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,391
    DavidL said:

    As my attempts to google "the blinds" has produced endless adverts for window fixings which will no doubt pollute my google searches for many days to come does any hipster out there want to elucidate?

    "The blinds" are short for "blind items", which in pre-internet British terms would be the gossip columns. Famous online ones include Crazy Days and Nights, Perez Hilton, Fauxmoi/Deuxmoi and in the UK Popbitch. Grandaddy of the online gossers is AGC Blind Items, an online compiler of blind items which has been going since the mid 1990s (hence the name: alt.gossip.celebrities was an old newsgroup). They are of varying accuracy and the CDAN guy - who goes by the name "Entertainment Lawyer" or "ENTY" for short - has been successfully sued for making shit up on the fly.

    https://www.crazydaysandnights.net/
    https://perezhilton.com/
    https://www.reddit.com/r/Fauxmoi/
    https://popbitch.com/
    http://www.agcwebpages.com/BLINDITEMS/MAINPAGE.html
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,187
    Leon said:

    I like Princess Dall-e-Gate

    It means the royals recognise this is the THE story of the moment. AI permeating human society and - inter alia - rendering visual truth a memory. All else is trivial compared to that

    Once again their travails mirror the changing world, in the most contemporary way. I’m kinda serious

    An AI constitutional monarch ?
  • TheValiantTheValiant Posts: 1,882

    I once started reading the “blinds” but I realised I don’t have a fucking clue who 50% of the celebs are. Same with the Mail’s sidebar of shame.

    I’m 45, one imagines this gets worse and worse with age.

    I'm 43 (and it takes longer to work that out every time) and I don't even have a clue what the "blinds" are.

    Aside from the Finland Rumour, all the good stuff is repeated here anyway. Why would I want to look for gossip anywhere else?
    I finally realised that Taylor Swift wasn't relevent anymore when PB started talking about her........
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,805
    GIN1138 said:

    Any chance Anderson could so us all a favour and take loopy Liz and Sue-Ellen with him?

    Not until the leap is deemed 'safe', or rather less risky than staying.

    If we start to get a trickle of defectors, and the trickle becomes a stream, watch the gutless ones join the rush, leaving the one nation Tories (what about 50-60% of Tory MPs?) behind in a a traditional Conservative rump. By then of course, the game will be up for the Conservative Party as we know knew it.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,377
    edited March 11
    Leon said:

    Getting Kate to admit the Midjourneying of her “family photo” is clever. Everyone feels sorry for her, for multiple reasons; it closes down the story from several angles - press cannot angrily question a recently-hospitalised woman, not even at one remove

    However there are problems. Such as: it is surely a lie

    My best guess: she is seriously ill, she’s in no state to do family photos, she doesn’t look well, but with the king also hors de combat they felt the public needed SOME reassurance. Hence Princess Dalle3 and her Sora family

    If she's seriously ill, why not just be honest about it? Everyone would be sympathetic and all this sneaking around and pretense has got to be adding extra stress?

    The whole thing is bizarre. 🤷‍♂️
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,468
    Nigelb said:

    Way off-topic:

    I just completed my first unofficial sprint triathlon!

    Drove to my local swimming pool, did 750 metres warm up, then an 800 metre continuous swim (750m in 20m40s)
    Drove home, made Mrs J a cup of tea, got into my cycling shorts, and rode 25km (1h 8m)
    Arrived home, made Mrs J a cup of tea, changed into my running shorts, ran 5km (30m 30s)
    Arrived home, made Mrs J a cup of tea

    Quite pleased with this; the swim was delayed as the pool was busy, and the ride was longer than I'd like as I'm a pants rider and it's a new bike whose gears are an arcane mystery to me.

    Not bad as I could not swim freestyle properly at the beginning of the year.

    I'm a very happy bunny. :)

    Is "riding pants" a technique like swimming freestyle ?
    And have they booked Mrs J for the Paris Olympics (and if not, for whom do the competitors prepare tea) ?
    I generally find that riding in pants is a *bare* minimum if I don't want to get arrested... ;)

    But in this case, it's because I'm not a particularly good rider. Even in pants.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,805
    Nigelb said:

    Way off-topic:

    I just completed my first unofficial sprint triathlon!

    Drove to my local swimming pool, did 750 metres warm up, then an 800 metre continuous swim (750m in 20m40s)
    Drove home, made Mrs J a cup of tea, got into my cycling shorts, and rode 25km (1h 8m)
    Arrived home, made Mrs J a cup of tea, changed into my running shorts, ran 5km (30m 30s)
    Arrived home, made Mrs J a cup of tea

    Quite pleased with this; the swim was delayed as the pool was busy, and the ride was longer than I'd like as I'm a pants rider and it's a new bike whose gears are an arcane mystery to me.

    Not bad as I could not swim freestyle properly at the beginning of the year.

    I'm a very happy bunny. :)

    Is "riding pants" a technique like swimming freestyle ?
    And have they booked Mrs J for the Paris Olympics (and if not, for whom do the competitors prepare tea) ?
    We once had afternoon tea at The Cafe Royale, that was a bit of a triathlon:

    Sandwiches (30m 45s)
    Tea
    Scones (10m 11s)
    Tea
    Cakes (15m 24s)
    Tea
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,468
    Leon said:

    Getting Kate to admit the Midjourneying of her “family photo” is clever. Everyone feels sorry for her, for multiple reasons; it closes down the story from several angles - press cannot angrily question a recently-hospitalised woman, not even at one remove

    However there are problems. Such as: it is surely a lie

    My best guess: she is seriously ill, she’s in no state to do family photos, she doesn’t look well, but with the king also hors de combat they felt the public needed SOME reassurance. Hence Princess Dalle3 and her Sora family

    Why do you call it 'midjourneying' ? Has it been admitted that was what used, or was it just another boring image processor?
  • anothernickanothernick Posts: 3,591
    TOPPING said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Foxy said:

    Stocky said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    “Darling how’s that photo that proves you’re alive coming along?”

    “5 more minutes, I’m just doing a bit of casual photoshopping on it, do you think they’ll notice?”

    I mean, I’ll take the explanation at face value, because I can’t imagine any PR team being quite so inept.

    I actually feel sorry for Kate. There are obviously health issues and whatever the fuck is going on with slaphead. And she's just trapped and knows that a similar lifetime of fuckedupedness awaits all of her children. What fucking inescapable misery.
    I agree. That's why those who are envious are so wrongheaded.

    It's a jail. A gilded one, but still a jail.
    Smartest thing that Harry and Meghan did was to get out.
    Without their titles and his place in line of succession, which they haven't given up, Harry is only a minor army officer and Meghan a C- list actress
    At least Meghan hasnt got a husband committing adultery in broad daylight
    You obviously haven't read the blinds about Harry and Meghan for that matter in recent weeks, not that that means they are true of course
    HYUFD that is the second time today that you have spread tittle tattle about our Royal Family. Now, you may not like or respect them but will you please try to rein in your phantasmagorical imagination in order not to offend those people who are, for example, monarchical tories (whatever tf that is).

    Please desist.
    Some years ago I used to work as a senior manager at a national institution that received an annual inspection visit from a royal. During this visit one of my jobs was to introduce the guest to a group of more junior staff who had been selected to be "presented". The usual way of doing this was to take them along the line (always behind them - you should not walk in front of a royal guest) and introduce them to each person who would shake hands and maybe exchange an anodyne sentence or two before they moved on to the next stage in what was a tightly choreographed and timetabled process. I think I met 7 royals in this way and none of them stand out in my memory - it was all pretty routine stuff for them I suppose. Except for one - Harry, this being before the rift with the rest of the family and he was still doing royal duties. He dispensed with the receiving line and handshaking, got everybody into a circle and chattered away about his life in the army etc etc in a way which put people completely at their ease and was really quite captivating. He came over as a genuinely nice guy on a personal level with a rare ability to connect. I am not a great fan of royalty in general, but he could have been a huge asset to them. But they allowed themselves to be consumed by poisonous family jealousies. More fool them.
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,834
    GIN1138 said:

    Leon said:

    Getting Kate to admit the Midjourneying of her “family photo” is clever. Everyone feels sorry for her, for multiple reasons; it closes down the story from several angles - press cannot angrily question a recently-hospitalised woman, not even at one remove

    However there are problems. Such as: it is surely a lie

    My best guess: she is seriously ill, she’s in no state to do family photos, she doesn’t look well, but with the king also hors de combat they felt the public needed SOME reassurance. Hence Princess Dalle3 and her Sora family

    If she's seriously ill, why not just be honest about it? Everyone would be sympathetic and all this sneaking around and pretense has got to be adding extra stress?

    The whole thing is bizarre. 🤷‍♂️
    I agree. Honesty and openness is the best course of action now, as for that matter it was before - and as Charles has himself half-proved, before the Palace reverted to type and wouldn't confirm the type of cancer.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,187
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,580
    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    I like Princess Dall-e-Gate

    It means the royals recognise this is the THE story of the moment. AI permeating human society and - inter alia - rendering visual truth a memory. All else is trivial compared to that

    Once again their travails mirror the changing world, in the most contemporary way. I’m kinda serious

    An AI constitutional monarch ?
    Why not?

    I remember saying when QE2 died that it’s a shame she couldn’t have hung on another 5 years, by which time we would have the technology to render her effectively immortal: a cloned voice, a version of her personality made from all her known writings and utterances, a perfect visual avatar that would look exactly like her - it would BE her for all intensity and purposes.

    99.9% never physically meet or see the royals so it would not matter that did not physically exist. She would digitally exist - perfectly poised and shyly dignified as she was, for ever and ever. An eternally reassuring presence, the national mother, immortalised
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,391
    Nigelb said:

    I once started reading the “blinds” but I realised I don’t have a fucking clue who 50% of the celebs are. Same with the Mail’s sidebar of shame.

    I’m 45, one imagines this gets worse and worse with age.

    Better - you cease caring.
    I've been reading them since the Noughties and AGC used to be quite jolly - who was gay, who was having an affair, and so on. But as Internet got worse it got more and more sordid, and now it's all reality slebs, wifebeating, blackmail, yachting (don't ask), abuse of power, kids being molested on islands and Dubai portapotties (don't google it, it's repellent). I still read it, but's it's not like the old days.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,472

    Stocky said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    “Darling how’s that photo that proves you’re alive coming along?”

    “5 more minutes, I’m just doing a bit of casual photoshopping on it, do you think they’ll notice?”

    I mean, I’ll take the explanation at face value, because I can’t imagine any PR team being quite so inept.

    I actually feel sorry for Kate. There are obviously health issues and whatever the fuck is going on with slaphead. And she's just trapped and knows that a similar lifetime of fuckedupedness awaits all of her children. What fucking inescapable misery.
    I agree. That's why those who are envious are so wrongheaded.

    It's a jail. A gilded one, but still a jail.
    It’s the main argument against monarchy that I’ll entertain. Not really bothered about the exclusionary/exclusive/heredity nature of it insofar as it impacts on me or my life, but more about how it affects the people involved psychologically.
    Perhaps a slightly less mad way to do it (for the family themselves) would be to ask every child of the direct line of succession to do a ten-year stint before moving on to the next generation. So you have 10 years of KWIV, 10 years of KHIX, 10 years each of George, Charlotte and Louis, and ten years each for George's children.

    They'll have a better idea of when they'll have the job, won't take it on at the death of their parent, will retire after doing a decade, and you don't have a spare who is initially vital, but then becomes surplus to requirements.

    Stocky said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    “Darling how’s that photo that proves you’re alive coming along?”

    “5 more minutes, I’m just doing a bit of casual photoshopping on it, do you think they’ll notice?”

    I mean, I’ll take the explanation at face value, because I can’t imagine any PR team being quite so inept.

    I actually feel sorry for Kate. There are obviously health issues and whatever the fuck is going on with slaphead. And she's just trapped and knows that a similar lifetime of fuckedupedness awaits all of her children. What fucking inescapable misery.
    I agree. That's why those who are envious are so wrongheaded.

    It's a jail. A gilded one, but still a jail.
    It’s the main argument against monarchy that I’ll entertain. Not really bothered about the exclusionary/exclusive/heredity nature of it insofar as it impacts on me or my life, but more about how it affects the people involved psychologically.
    Perhaps a slightly less mad way to do it (for the family themselves) would be to ask every child of the direct line of succession to do a ten-year stint before moving on to the next generation. So you have 10 years of KWIV, 10 years of KHIX, 10 years each of George, Charlotte and Louis, and ten years each for George's children.

    They'll have a better idea of when they'll have the job, won't take it on at the death of their parent, will retire after doing a decade, and you don't have a spare who is initially vital, but then becomes surplus to requirements.
    If all the kids do 10 years, but you have 2 kids or fewer, then there’s not enough time for a next generation to be born.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,909

    GIN1138 said:

    Any chance Anderson could so us all a favour and take loopy Liz and Sue-Ellen with him?

    Not until the leap is deemed 'safe', or rather less risky than staying.

    If we start to get a trickle of defectors, and the trickle becomes a stream, watch the gutless ones join the rush, leaving the one nation Tories (what about 50-60% of Tory MPs?) behind in a a traditional Conservative rump. By then of course, the game will be up for the Conservative Party as we know knew it.
    Anderson jumped ship because he didn't want to apologise for his comments about Khan, and he hasn't given up on winning re-election.

    These circumstances don't apply to any other MPs, so we won't see any further defectors absent a change in the electoral calculus - Reform polling above the Tories, say.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,472

    Stocky said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    “Darling how’s that photo that proves you’re alive coming along?”

    “5 more minutes, I’m just doing a bit of casual photoshopping on it, do you think they’ll notice?”

    I mean, I’ll take the explanation at face value, because I can’t imagine any PR team being quite so inept.

    I actually feel sorry for Kate. There are obviously health issues and whatever the fuck is going on with slaphead. And she's just trapped and knows that a similar lifetime of fuckedupedness awaits all of her children. What fucking inescapable misery.
    I agree. That's why those who are envious are so wrongheaded.

    It's a jail. A gilded one, but still a jail.
    It’s the main argument against monarchy that I’ll entertain. Not really bothered about the exclusionary/exclusive/heredity nature of it insofar as it impacts on me or my life, but more about how it affects the people involved psychologically.
    Perhaps a slightly less mad way to do it (for the family themselves) would be to ask every child of the direct line of succession to do a ten-year stint before moving on to the next generation. So you have 10 years of KWIV, 10 years of KHIX, 10 years each of George, Charlotte and Louis, and ten years each for George's children.

    They'll have a better idea of when they'll have the job, won't take it on at the death of their parent, will retire after doing a decade, and you don't have a spare who is initially vital, but then becomes surplus to requirements.

    Stocky said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    “Darling how’s that photo that proves you’re alive coming along?”

    “5 more minutes, I’m just doing a bit of casual photoshopping on it, do you think they’ll notice?”

    I mean, I’ll take the explanation at face value, because I can’t imagine any PR team being quite so inept.

    I actually feel sorry for Kate. There are obviously health issues and whatever the fuck is going on with slaphead. And she's just trapped and knows that a similar lifetime of fuckedupedness awaits all of her children. What fucking inescapable misery.
    I agree. That's why those who are envious are so wrongheaded.

    It's a jail. A gilded one, but still a jail.
    It’s the main argument against monarchy that I’ll entertain. Not really bothered about the exclusionary/exclusive/heredity nature of it insofar as it impacts on me or my life, but more about how it affects the people involved psychologically.
    Perhaps a slightly less mad way to do it (for the family themselves) would be to ask every child of the direct line of succession to do a ten-year stint before moving on to the next generation. So you have 10 years of KWIV, 10 years of KHIX, 10 years each of George, Charlotte and Louis, and ten years each for George's children.

    They'll have a better idea of when they'll have the job, won't take it on at the death of their parent, will retire after doing a decade, and you don't have a spare who is initially vital, but then becomes surplus to requirements.
    If all the kids do 10 years, but you have 2 kids or fewer, then there’s not enough time for a next generation to be born.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,899
    Pulpstar said:

    MattW said:

    We need some polling in Ashfield.
    I would not at all be surprised if Anderson retained his seat in the GE, and, for approximately similar reasons, if Galloway retained Rochdale.

    Isn’t the Independent up before the beak before too long?
    2025. In Northampton. Very Trumpish.
    Do you think Zadrozny could win Ashfield ?
    I honestly can't call it.

    1 - Predictions are currently a marginal ~3% Labour win.
    2 - AIs have staff on the ground - 32 from 35 District Councillors are still AI, and all the County Councillors, plus a couple outside Ashfield iirc. That will help.
    3 - But they have problems with corruption and alleged corruption, and persuasive whiffs in the air. The Deputy Leader who was up before the beak nearly lost his seat last time.
    4 - Changes in the boundaries may work against them as a local party.
    5 - AIs are very good at Lib Dem style populism, and have certain achievements - 3 new / refurbed leisure centres, a new County youth adventure centre, a large project to expand the local Observatory, and moving the County Council offices into Ashfield (not sure if it is all of it). But not respected on basic service delivery.
    6 - They have pursued us and them politics vs County.
    7 - The other parties also have problems. Local Labour were nutty imo - one of two remaining Councillors who has now gone was the one who photo bombed Ed Milliband with the "Dance on Thatcher's Grave" teeshirt. No idea if they are sane yet; they need to tell me why they are sane.

    For me, Zadrozny is beyond the pale because he has so many unresolved criminal charges against him and the trial delayed until post-Election. I would never vote for a candidate with that hanging over them.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 13,214

    Scott_xP said:

    @JamesTapsfield

    Ukip veteran: 'Anderson and Tice will be screaming at each other. Lee's staff will suddenly be dealing with the incompetence of Reform's staff and it will be like Carswell all over again.'

    Perhaps.

    Anderson is a lot worse than Carswell (who I always thought was a good MP), but I think Tice is better than Farage (I don't know why, but Tice seems more reasonable to me than Farage is/did).
    Tice is more like a baddie from Howard's way or Eldorado, whereas Farage is a baddie from the A-Team or Inspector Morse.
  • jamesdoylejamesdoyle Posts: 790
    DavidL said:

    As my attempts to google "the blinds" has produced endless adverts for window fixings which will no doubt pollute my google searches for many days to come does any hipster out there want to elucidate?

    I think it's 'blind item' - a gossipy news story that doesn't name the person(s) concerned, e.g. 'Which minor royal was spotted doing x with an Eastenders actor in location y?'
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,899

    GIN1138 said:

    Any chance Anderson could so us all a favour and take loopy Liz and Sue-Ellen with him?

    Not until the leap is deemed 'safe', or rather less risky than staying.

    If we start to get a trickle of defectors, and the trickle becomes a stream, watch the gutless ones join the rush, leaving the one nation Tories (what about 50-60% of Tory MPs?) behind in a a traditional Conservative rump. By then of course, the game will be up for the Conservative Party as we know knew it.
    Anderson jumped ship because he didn't want to apologise for his comments about Khan, and he hasn't given up on winning re-election.

    These circumstances don't apply to any other MPs, so we won't see any further defectors absent a change in the electoral calculus - Reform polling above the Tories, say.
    I'm cynical enough to believe that he may be feathering his nest before retirement.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,889

    TOPPING said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Foxy said:

    Stocky said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    “Darling how’s that photo that proves you’re alive coming along?”

    “5 more minutes, I’m just doing a bit of casual photoshopping on it, do you think they’ll notice?”

    I mean, I’ll take the explanation at face value, because I can’t imagine any PR team being quite so inept.

    I actually feel sorry for Kate. There are obviously health issues and whatever the fuck is going on with slaphead. And she's just trapped and knows that a similar lifetime of fuckedupedness awaits all of her children. What fucking inescapable misery.
    I agree. That's why those who are envious are so wrongheaded.

    It's a jail. A gilded one, but still a jail.
    Smartest thing that Harry and Meghan did was to get out.
    Without their titles and his place in line of succession, which they haven't given up, Harry is only a minor army officer and Meghan a C- list actress
    At least Meghan hasnt got a husband committing adultery in broad daylight
    You obviously haven't read the blinds about Harry and Meghan for that matter in recent weeks, not that that means they are true of course
    HYUFD that is the second time today that you have spread tittle tattle about our Royal Family. Now, you may not like or respect them but will you please try to rein in your phantasmagorical imagination in order not to offend those people who are, for example, monarchical tories (whatever tf that is).

    Please desist.
    Some years ago I used to work as a senior manager at a national institution that received an annual inspection visit from a royal. During this visit one of my jobs was to introduce the guest to a group of more junior staff who had been selected to be "presented". The usual way of doing this was to take them along the line (always behind them - you should not walk in front of a royal guest) and introduce them to each person who would shake hands and maybe exchange an anodyne sentence or two before they moved on to the next stage in what was a tightly choreographed and timetabled process. I think I met 7 royals in this way and none of them stand out in my memory - it was all pretty routine stuff for them I suppose. Except for one - Harry, this being before the rift with the rest of the family and he was still doing royal duties. He dispensed with the receiving line and handshaking, got everybody into a circle and chattered away about his life in the army etc etc in a way which put people completely at their ease and was really quite captivating. He came over as a genuinely nice guy on a personal level with a rare ability to connect. I am not a great fan of royalty in general, but he could have been a huge asset to them. But they allowed themselves to be consumed by poisonous family jealousies. More fool them.
    Not now Harry's UK poll rating is as bad as Rishi's after he abandoned his royal duties
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 3,125
    DavidL said:

    The Ashfield seat is a bit of an odd one with an Independent who split the Labour vote and came second. The suggestion on WIki is that this independent is going to stand again which confuses matters somewhat but on current polling this looks like an easy Labour win, especially if Anderson, standing for Reform, splits the Tory vote to any extent.

    So his political career was coming to an end anyway. Oh dear, never mind etc.

    Agreed. Reckless II and even less relevant. There will be more similar banana skins for Sunak to slip on before the farce is over.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,909
    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    I like Princess Dall-e-Gate

    It means the royals recognise this is the THE story of the moment. AI permeating human society and - inter alia - rendering visual truth a memory. All else is trivial compared to that

    Once again their travails mirror the changing world, in the most contemporary way. I’m kinda serious

    An AI constitutional monarch ?
    Why not?

    I remember saying when QE2 died that it’s a shame she couldn’t have hung on another 5 years, by which time we would have the technology to render her effectively immortal: a cloned voice, a version of her personality made from all her known writings and utterances, a perfect visual avatar that would look exactly like her - it would BE her for all intensity and purposes.

    99.9% never physically meet or see the royals so it would not matter that did not physically exist. She would digitally exist - perfectly poised and shyly dignified as she was, for ever and ever. An eternally reassuring presence, the national mother, immortalised
    The Royals get out and about quite a lot. I think rather a larger percentage than that have seen them in the flesh.

    One in a thousand people is only about 200 people a day for a single year.
  • TheValiantTheValiant Posts: 1,882
    GIN1138 said:

    Leon said:

    Getting Kate to admit the Midjourneying of her “family photo” is clever. Everyone feels sorry for her, for multiple reasons; it closes down the story from several angles - press cannot angrily question a recently-hospitalised woman, not even at one remove

    However there are problems. Such as: it is surely a lie

    My best guess: she is seriously ill, she’s in no state to do family photos, she doesn’t look well, but with the king also hors de combat they felt the public needed SOME reassurance. Hence Princess Dalle3 and her Sora family

    If she's seriously ill, why not just be honest about it? Everyone would be sympathetic and all this sneaking around and pretense has got to be adding extra stress?

    The whole thing is bizarre. 🤷‍♂️
    She doesn't want her kids to know?
    Almost every adult would be sympathic, but her kids would worry: "Is mummy going to die?"
    Parents sometimes hide illness from their children unless they have to tell them.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,899
    Nigelb said:
    AFAIK from reports the incident was in Mexico, outside the USA Presidential control, and was actually back when Dubya was President.

    Ie Britt is just another washed up MAGA Moron lying her head off.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,805

    GIN1138 said:

    Leon said:

    Getting Kate to admit the Midjourneying of her “family photo” is clever. Everyone feels sorry for her, for multiple reasons; it closes down the story from several angles - press cannot angrily question a recently-hospitalised woman, not even at one remove

    However there are problems. Such as: it is surely a lie

    My best guess: she is seriously ill, she’s in no state to do family photos, she doesn’t look well, but with the king also hors de combat they felt the public needed SOME reassurance. Hence Princess Dalle3 and her Sora family

    If she's seriously ill, why not just be honest about it? Everyone would be sympathetic and all this sneaking around and pretense has got to be adding extra stress?

    The whole thing is bizarre. 🤷‍♂️
    I agree. Honesty and openness is the best course of action now, as for that matter it was before - and as Charles has himself half-proved, before the Palace reverted to type and wouldn't confirm the type of cancer.
    Generally agree, my only hesitation is if it was a deeply personal condition that required intervention. For example, say for example she had to have a colostomy*, would you want that publicised if you were her?

    (*Very unlikely of course.)
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,149

    Scott_xP said:

    @JamesTapsfield

    Ukip veteran: 'Anderson and Tice will be screaming at each other. Lee's staff will suddenly be dealing with the incompetence of Reform's staff and it will be like Carswell all over again.'

    Perhaps.

    Anderson is a lot worse than Carswell (who I always thought was a good MP), but I think Tice is better than Farage (I don't know why, but Tice seems more reasonable to me than Farage is/did).
    Tice ranting on the radio atm about Jews leaving the UK and ‘genocidal’ statements projected onto parliament. I wonder if the more reasonable friends (lower case f) of Israel and Jews in general feel he’s helping their cause?
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,326
    kinabalu said:

    Yes, I wonder why this Irish proposal failed. It's heart looks in the right place, ie aiming to bring the Constitution up to date.

    On the Care proposal: The State would no longer endeavour to ensure that mothers can afford to stay at home and fulfil their care duties - instead it was going to strive to support all family members in undertaking care duties.

    Deconstructing, there are 2 changes:

    (1) "Endeavour to ensure" is replaced by "strive to support"

    Is that a problem? Does this language change represent a watering down of the state's obligations?

    (2) It says all family members, not just mothers, have a duty of care to each other.

    Is that more the problem? Do the majority still feel more comfortable singling out women and mothers as being responsible for this?

    (1) Strive to support is meaningless waffle and does not create any enforceable legal rights.

    (2) What doomed it was Varadkar saying in an interview that he did not think the state had any duty to care for the disabled or vulnerable family members. And that it was the family which should be responsible. He then tried to retract but the damage was done. Combined with the wooliness of (1) it looked like the state withdrawing for its obligations to help the vulnerable and dumping them on caters.

    The majority of carers in Ireland are women.

    So far from bringing things up to date it was a very old-fashioned change whereby the state ignored the disabled and expected women to take responsibility with no support. Plus ca change. De Valera would have thoroughly approved.

    Worth reading what the Irish Senator, father of a disabled child said. He asked the authorities what care support there would be to help his child live independently as an adult and was told there would be nothing. When he asked what would happen after he died, he was told that it would be the child's sister who would have to be responsible. This "nothing to do with us" approach was felt by many to be behind this change and Varadkar's interview confirmed it.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,317

    GIN1138 said:

    Any chance Anderson could so us all a favour and take loopy Liz and Sue-Ellen with him?

    Not until the leap is deemed 'safe', or rather less risky than staying.

    If we start to get a trickle of defectors, and the trickle becomes a stream, watch the gutless ones join the rush, leaving the one nation Tories (what about 50-60% of Tory MPs?) behind in a a traditional Conservative rump. By then of course, the game will be up for the Conservative Party as we know knew it.
    Unlikely. At least for now. Reform’s strategic issue is that they’ve shown no actual electoral success whatsoever. As for possible defectors, there’s no acute casus partum. Not until May locals anyway.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,179
    Well a royal funeral would certainly count as a black swan event.

    Sunak: "She was the people's princess..."
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,187
    Yikes. He’s been in Labour, Tories, now Reform… it’ll be our turn next 😱
    https://twitter.com/timfarron/status/1767132678581531048
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