George Galloway is no longer the favourite to win Rochdale – politicalbetting.com

System · February 29

George Galloway is no longer the favourite to win Rochdale – politicalbetting.com

This morning Galloway was the favourite this morning to win the by election but as we can see now Azhar Ali, the official but disowned Labour candidate, has become the favourite but the betting markets can often be wrong.

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TheScreamingEagles · February 29

First unlike Galloway, I hope.

bondegezou · February 29

I still think it'll be Ali, although I don't know that I'd take the new odds.

GIN1138 · February 29

Actually, this might have been the election where I finally voted Loony!

bondegezou · February 29

GIN1138 said:
Actually, this might have been the election where I finally voted Loony!

I was attracted by the candidate's policy on ending homelessness for hedgehogs.

SeaShantyIrish2 · February 29

"A rotten candidate for a rotten borough"?

Anabobazina · February 29

It’s going to be really weird if Ali wins on an unofficial/official Labour ticket. How will he be treated by Starmer and the PLP?

I think a Galloway win will be easier for Sir Keir, as he will simply deride him / ignore him.

TimS · February 29

Anabobazina said:
It’s going to be really weird if Ali wins on an unofficial/official Labour ticket. How will he be treated by Starmer and the PLP?

I think a Galloway win will be easier for Sir Keir, as he will simply deride him / ignore him.

Starmer can probably ignore Ali for the few short months before the GE.

NickPalmer · February 29

I hope Ali makes it, but I still think Galloway by 500.

GIN1138 · February 29

Anabobazina said:
It’s going to be really weird if Ali wins on an unofficial/official Labour ticket. How will he be treated by Starmer and the PLP?

I think a Galloway win will be easier for Sir Keir, as he will simply deride him / ignore him.

I can't see SKS being in a hurry to rush up to Rochdale in either case...

SeaShantyIrish2 · February 29

PBers, please see my learned discourse re: "playing in Peoria" at tail end of previous thread.

GIN1138 · February 29

NickPalmer said:
I hope Ali makes it, but I still think Galloway by 500.

Not a fan of the Gorgeous One, Dr Nick?

FrankBooth · February 29

Are we sure no-one else is in with a shout? The whole thing is so bizarre nothing much would surprise me.

londonpubman · February 29

CON gain Rochdale???!

El_Capitano · February 29

Banter heuristic says the Conservatives will win it.

rottenborough · February 29

SeaShantyIrish2 said:
"A rotten candidate for a rotten borough"?

Objection!!!

GIN1138 · February 29

londonpubman said:
CON gain Rochdale???!

The Con candidate went on holiday half way through their "campaign" Tells you everything you need to know about Con prospects here...

biggles · February 29

Odds on how quickly he’s suspended if he wins? I mean he won’t have many mates, and the implications of the standards committee have changed a bit since his day.

Roger · February 29

BBC say Gorgeous is looking 'very confident'

rottenborough · February 29

Galloway very confident says BBC pol editor just now.

TimS · February 29

rottenborough said:
Galloway very confident says BBC pol editor just now.

Fuck.

GIN1138 · February 29

Roger said:
BBC say Gorgeous is looking 'very confident'

Perhaps he's taken a leaf out of the book of the dictators he shills for, and has made sure he'll win in Rochdale?

NickPalmer · February 29

Very thin market, but Galloway is the favourite again.

RochdalePioneers · February 29

Wont it be awful if the disgraced wax-Labour candidate wins?

TheScreamingEagles · February 29

I'm off to bed.

I hope Galloway isn't an MP when I wake up.

Roger · February 29

GIN1138 said:

Roger said:
BBC say Gorgeous is looking 'very confident'
Perhaps he's taken a leaf out of the book of the dictators he shills for, and has made sure he'll win in Rochdale?

BBC don't usually say things like that unless they have a pretty good reason

RochdalePioneers · February 29

Inside the Galloway campaign. Knocking on doors only with Muslim voters:

https://x.com/bylinetv/status/1762965474441142740?s=46

SeaShantyIrish2 · February 29

rottenborough said:

SeaShantyIrish2 said:
"A rotten candidate for a rotten borough"?
Objection!!!

Apology!!!!

GIN1138 · February 29

Roger said:

GIN1138 said:

Roger said:
BBC say Gorgeous is looking 'very confident'
Perhaps he's taken a leaf out of the book of the dictators he shills for, and has made sure he'll win in Rochdale?
BBC don't usually say things like that unless they have a pretty good reason

Perhaps, although Galloway is so full of himself I doubt he'd anything other than he's "very confident"

FrankBooth · February 29

Galloway isn't as toxic in the red wall as you might think. Pro worker, tough on migration and modern values.

GIN1138 · February 29

Wonder if this will the be the last by election of the 2019 to 2024 Parliament?

bigjohnowls · February 29

RochdalePioneers said:
Inside the Galloway campaign. Knocking on doors only with Muslim voters:

https://x.com/bylinetv/status/1762965474441142740?s=46

Tommy Robertsons ex cameraman reports.

bondegezou · February 29

Anabobazina said:
It’s going to be really weird if Ali wins on an unofficial/official Labour ticket. How will he be treated by Starmer and the PLP?

I think a Galloway win will be easier for Sir Keir, as he will simply deride him / ignore him.

I don't think it will be weird for anyone other than Ali. This has happened before. The Commons is full of people suspended from the whip, albeit mostly Tories.

If we were partway through a Parliament, I would expect Labour to quietly re-admit him after a suitable pause and some re-training, as happened with Hanvey.* The issue is we're so close to the general election. Do Labour take him back as a candidate? Do they stand someone else in the constituency? If so, does Ali try standing as an independent -- surely he knows he won't win as an independent?

Other examples: David Ward in 2013 with the LibDems, Naz Shah in 2016 with Labour, Anne Marie Morris in 2017 with the Conservatives, Neil Coyle in 2022/3 with Labour.

GIN1138 · February 29

FrankBooth said:
Galloway isn't as toxic in the red wall as you might think. Pro worker, tough on migration and modern values.

He certainly has his constituency, no doubt about that. He wouldn't have been elected to Parliament so many times if he didn't.

Wonder how Mrs Duffy voted today? Thinking Reform, maybe?

TimS · February 29

FrankBooth said:
Galloway isn't as toxic in the red wall as you might think. Pro worker, tough on migration and modern values.

Rochdale’s not red wall, but what’s the basis for saying that? His appeal seems to be entirely to Muslim voters and based on weaponising Middle East politics. A dangerous, dangerous man.

bigjohnowls · February 29

I would have voted GG

But it's a win win for me both from an anti SKS and betting point of view.

So an early night calls

RochdalePioneers · February 29

bigjohnowls said:

RochdalePioneers said:
Inside the Galloway campaign. Knocking on doors only with Muslim voters:

https://x.com/bylinetv/status/1762965474441142740?s=46
Tommy Robertsons ex cameraman reports.

Even the dodgiest of media can show the truth. “Oh that word has just been left on the template when we printed the sheets” - bullshit
“That goes straight over my head, I don’t know anything about campaigning” - bullshit

GIN1138 · February 29

bigjohnowls said:
I would have voted GG

Why does this not surprise me?

TimS · February 29

bigjohnowls said:
I would have voted GG

But it's a win win for me both from an anti SKS and betting point of view.

So an early night calls

I knew you were a Tory but I didn’t realise you were a Baathist too.

dr_spyn · February 29

Perhaps Gillian Duffy and Gordon Brown might comment about those bigoted candidates standing for election in Rochdale this evening.

Cicero · February 29

GIN1138 said:
Wonder if this will the be the last by election of the 2019 to 2024 Parliament?

Doubt it: Rishi's hojng long, so Blackpool South in a month or two.

bigjohnowls · February 29

TimS said:

bigjohnowls said:
I would have voted GG

But it's a win win for me both from an anti SKS and betting point of view.

So an early night calls
I knew you were a Tory but I didn’t realise you were a Baathist too.

You knew I was a Tory

Yeah right

RochdalePioneers · February 29

bigjohnowls said:
I would have voted GG

But it's a win win for me both from an anti SKS and betting point of view.

So an early night calls

Well of course you would.

GIN1138 · February 29

RochdalePioneers said:

bigjohnowls said:

RochdalePioneers said:
Inside the Galloway campaign. Knocking on doors only with Muslim voters:

https://x.com/bylinetv/status/1762965474441142740?s=46
Tommy Robertsons ex cameraman reports.
Even the dodgiest of media can show the truth. “Oh that word has just been left on the template when we printed the sheets” - bullshit
“That goes straight over my head, I don’t know anything about campaigning” - bullshit

Are you in Rochdale, Rochdale? Any reports on the ground?

GIN1138 · February 29

Cicero said:

GIN1138 said:
Wonder if this will the be the last by election of the 2019 to 2024 Parliament?
Doubt it: Rishi's hojng long, so Blackpool South in a month or two.

Is he? @MoonRabbit says election will be May?

stjohn · February 29

I've just had £8.50 on Reform UK to win Rochdale at 44.12

bigjohnowls · February 29

RochdalePioneers said:

bigjohnowls said:

RochdalePioneers said:
Inside the Galloway campaign. Knocking on doors only with Muslim voters:

https://x.com/bylinetv/status/1762965474441142740?s=46
Tommy Robertsons ex cameraman reports.
Even the dodgiest of media can show the truth. “Oh that word has just been left on the template when we printed the sheets” - bullshit
“That goes straight over my head, I don’t know anything about campaigning” - bullshit

Well he reports that on a copy of the electoral register they are filtering by Muslim

If you know anything about canvassing or the electoral register you will know that isn't true.

Stuartinromford · February 29

TimS said:

FrankBooth said:
Galloway isn't as toxic in the red wall as you might think. Pro worker, tough on migration and modern values.
Rochdale’s not red wall, but what’s the basis for saying that? His appeal seems to be entirely to Muslim voters and based on weaponising Middle East politics. A dangerous, dangerous man.

Oh, George is quite happy to make himself Gorgeous for white voters as well;

https://twitter.com/SimonLeporiLD/status/1763303102218740074

Foxy · February 29

SeaShantyIrish2 said:
PBers, please see my learned discourse re: "playing in Peoria" at tail end of previous thread.

Isn't it more metaphorical?, like "the man on the Clapham omnibus". Judges don't really conduct vox pops on public transport in South London in order to decide points of law.

RochdalePioneers · February 29

bigjohnowls said:

RochdalePioneers said:

bigjohnowls said:

RochdalePioneers said:
Inside the Galloway campaign. Knocking on doors only with Muslim voters:

https://x.com/bylinetv/status/1762965474441142740?s=46
Tommy Robertsons ex cameraman reports.
Even the dodgiest of media can show the truth. “Oh that word has just been left on the template when we printed the sheets” - bullshit
“That goes straight over my head, I don’t know anything about campaigning” - bullshit
Well he reports that on a copy of the electoral register they are filtering by Muslim

If you know anything about canvassing or the electoral register you will know that isn't true.

Can the register filter by Muslim? No. Can software you are - as they said - tracking previous knocks? Yes.

Again, you are defending Galloway. Which is a new low even for you.

RochdalePioneers · February 29

GIN1138 said:

RochdalePioneers said:

bigjohnowls said:

RochdalePioneers said:
Inside the Galloway campaign. Knocking on doors only with Muslim voters:

https://x.com/bylinetv/status/1762965474441142740?s=46
Tommy Robertsons ex cameraman reports.
Even the dodgiest of media can show the truth. “Oh that word has just been left on the template when we printed the sheets” - bullshit
“That goes straight over my head, I don’t know anything about campaigning” - bullshit
Are you in Rochdale, Rochdale? Any reports on the ground?

Hell no. And may need a name change if they elect Galloway.

Foxy · February 29

RochdalePioneers said:

bigjohnowls said:

RochdalePioneers said:

bigjohnowls said:

RochdalePioneers said:
Inside the Galloway campaign. Knocking on doors only with Muslim voters:

https://x.com/bylinetv/status/1762965474441142740?s=46
Tommy Robertsons ex cameraman reports.
Even the dodgiest of media can show the truth. “Oh that word has just been left on the template when we printed the sheets” - bullshit
“That goes straight over my head, I don’t know anything about campaigning” - bullshit
Well he reports that on a copy of the electoral register they are filtering by Muslim

If you know anything about canvassing or the electoral register you will know that isn't true.

Can the register filter by Muslim? No. Can software you are - as they said - tracking previous knocks? Yes.

Again, you are defending Galloway. Which is a new low even for you.

No, but names are pretty distinctively Muslim or not, so fairly easy to pick out the Muslims when writing a canvassing list.

Stuartinromford · February 29

bigjohnowls said:

RochdalePioneers said:

bigjohnowls said:

RochdalePioneers said:
Inside the Galloway campaign. Knocking on doors only with Muslim voters:

https://x.com/bylinetv/status/1762965474441142740?s=46
Tommy Robertsons ex cameraman reports.
Even the dodgiest of media can show the truth. “Oh that word has just been left on the template when we printed the sheets” - bullshit
“That goes straight over my head, I don’t know anything about campaigning” - bullshit
Well he reports that on a copy of the electoral register they are filtering by Muslim

If you know anything about canvassing or the electoral register you will know that isn't true.

If you did it by "what the name sounds like", you'd have a success rate somewhere in the high nineties percent, I reckon. Pretty easy to do on a computerised mailing list.

Dumbosaurus · February 29

Am not bothering to stay up for Rochdale but I've stuck a small amount (£100) on Labour at these odds (best price was 3 and you'll get filled there at present but my average worse as I started doing it a few minutes too soon), against what I think my sober judgement would be. I assume the spike is because of the large number of postal votes which are rather suspicious from an insular community POV. But of course that insular community may just as well have been voting Ali as Galloway.

Foxy · February 29

RochdalePioneers said:

GIN1138 said:

RochdalePioneers said:

bigjohnowls said:

RochdalePioneers said:
Inside the Galloway campaign. Knocking on doors only with Muslim voters:

https://x.com/bylinetv/status/1762965474441142740?s=46
Tommy Robertsons ex cameraman reports.
Even the dodgiest of media can show the truth. “Oh that word has just been left on the template when we printed the sheets” - bullshit
“That goes straight over my head, I don’t know anything about campaigning” - bullshit
Are you in Rochdale, Rochdale? Any reports on the ground?
Hell no. And may need a name change if they elect Galloway.

New Scot Pioneers?

bigjohnowls · February 29

RochdalePioneers said:

bigjohnowls said:

RochdalePioneers said:

bigjohnowls said:

RochdalePioneers said:
Inside the Galloway campaign. Knocking on doors only with Muslim voters:

https://x.com/bylinetv/status/1762965474441142740?s=46
Tommy Robertsons ex cameraman reports.
Even the dodgiest of media can show the truth. “Oh that word has just been left on the template when we printed the sheets” - bullshit
“That goes straight over my head, I don’t know anything about campaigning” - bullshit
Well he reports that on a copy of the electoral register they are filtering by Muslim

If you know anything about canvassing or the electoral register you will know that isn't true.

Can the register filter by Muslim? No. Can software you are - as they said - tracking previous knocks? Yes.

Again, you are defending Galloway. Which is a new low even for you.

I like George Galloway.

What is your problem with him?

He is a Socialist

Oh I have answered my own question.

Next response should contain the phrase Jezzbolah in a definitely not obsessed way.

Roger · February 29

Cicero said:

GIN1138 said:
Wonder if this will the be the last by election of the 2019 to 2024 Parliament?
Doubt it: Rishi's hojng long, so Blackpool South in a month or two.

If you read James O'Briens excellent book-How they broke Britain- you'll read about enough graft and corruption to keep the returning officers busy for quite a while. How this government's stayed in power for so long is a mystery

RochdalePioneers · February 29

Stuartinromford said:

TimS said:

FrankBooth said:
Galloway isn't as toxic in the red wall as you might think. Pro worker, tough on migration and modern values.
Rochdale’s not red wall, but what’s the basis for saying that? His appeal seems to be entirely to Muslim voters and based on weaponising Middle East politics. A dangerous, dangerous man.
Oh, George is quite happy to make himself Gorgeous for white voters as well;

https://twitter.com/SimonLeporiLD/status/1763303102218740074

And the appalling letter sent to BJO-says-its-impossible Muslim voters

https://x.com/mm_newsonline/status/1763294941155840311?s=46

Stuartinromford · February 29

RochdalePioneers said:

bigjohnowls said:

RochdalePioneers said:

bigjohnowls said:

RochdalePioneers said:
Inside the Galloway campaign. Knocking on doors only with Muslim voters:

https://x.com/bylinetv/status/1762965474441142740?s=46
Tommy Robertsons ex cameraman reports.
Even the dodgiest of media can show the truth. “Oh that word has just been left on the template when we printed the sheets” - bullshit
“That goes straight over my head, I don’t know anything about campaigning” - bullshit
Well he reports that on a copy of the electoral register they are filtering by Muslim

If you know anything about canvassing or the electoral register you will know that isn't true.

Can the register filter by Muslim? No. Can software you are - as they said - tracking previous knocks? Yes.

Again, you are defending Galloway. Which is a new low even for you.

GG is the sort of man for who the "are we the baddies?" meme was invented.

bondegezou · February 29

Foxy said:

RochdalePioneers said:

bigjohnowls said:

RochdalePioneers said:

bigjohnowls said:

RochdalePioneers said:
Inside the Galloway campaign. Knocking on doors only with Muslim voters:

https://x.com/bylinetv/status/1762965474441142740?s=46
Tommy Robertsons ex cameraman reports.
Even the dodgiest of media can show the truth. “Oh that word has just been left on the template when we printed the sheets” - bullshit
“That goes straight over my head, I don’t know anything about campaigning” - bullshit
Well he reports that on a copy of the electoral register they are filtering by Muslim

If you know anything about canvassing or the electoral register you will know that isn't true.

Can the register filter by Muslim? No. Can software you are - as they said - tracking previous knocks? Yes.

Again, you are defending Galloway. Which is a new low even for you.
No, but names are pretty distinctively Muslim or not, so fairly easy to pick out the Muslims when writing a canvassing list.

Indeed. There is software that can identify ethnicity from name that is used for research purposes. See https://analysisfunction.civilservice.gov.uk/blog/attributing-ethnicity-using-someones-name/

MJW · February 29

RochdalePioneers said:

bigjohnowls said:

RochdalePioneers said:

bigjohnowls said:

RochdalePioneers said:
Inside the Galloway campaign. Knocking on doors only with Muslim voters:

https://x.com/bylinetv/status/1762965474441142740?s=46
Tommy Robertsons ex cameraman reports.
Even the dodgiest of media can show the truth. “Oh that word has just been left on the template when we printed the sheets” - bullshit
“That goes straight over my head, I don’t know anything about campaigning” - bullshit
Well he reports that on a copy of the electoral register they are filtering by Muslim

If you know anything about canvassing or the electoral register you will know that isn't true.

Can the register filter by Muslim? No. Can software you are - as they said - tracking previous knocks? Yes.

Again, you are defending Galloway. Which is a new low even for you.

Everyone knows what Galloway does - which is why even lots on the hard left won't touch him with a bargepole now. They know how he works, in a similar way to the BNP once did by deliberately stirring up tensions with foul bilge.

FrankBooth · February 29

Think I might put £1k on Reform. That should shift the market and get people all a flutter.

GIN1138 · February 29

Roger said:

Cicero said:

GIN1138 said:
Wonder if this will the be the last by election of the 2019 to 2024 Parliament?
Doubt it: Rishi's hojng long, so Blackpool South in a month or two.
If you read James O'Briens excellent book you'll read about enough graft and corruption to keep the returning officers busy for quite a while. How this government's stayed in power for so long is a mystery

They won a large majority in 2019 and the Parliament doesn't expire until January 2025.

Its no different to how Brown hung on to the last minute in 2010, Major in 1997 etc. Must admit the Parliament is dragging now though.

It would be in Con interests (though not necessarily Sunak's) to get it over and done with soon.

LostPassword · February 29

My prediction is for a record low turnout.

Dumbosaurus · February 29

FrankBooth said:
Think I might put £1k on Reform. That should shift the market and get people all a flutter.

can you gimme a couple of minutes notice pls

bigjohnowls · February 29

LostPassword said:
My prediction is for a record low turnout.

Yes you could be right.

RochdalePioneers · February 29

bigjohnowls said:

RochdalePioneers said:

bigjohnowls said:

RochdalePioneers said:

bigjohnowls said:

RochdalePioneers said:
Inside the Galloway campaign. Knocking on doors only with Muslim voters:

https://x.com/bylinetv/status/1762965474441142740?s=46
Tommy Robertsons ex cameraman reports.
Even the dodgiest of media can show the truth. “Oh that word has just been left on the template when we printed the sheets” - bullshit
“That goes straight over my head, I don’t know anything about campaigning” - bullshit
Well he reports that on a copy of the electoral register they are filtering by Muslim

If you know anything about canvassing or the electoral register you will know that isn't true.

Can the register filter by Muslim? No. Can software you are - as they said - tracking previous knocks? Yes.

Again, you are defending Galloway. Which is a new low even for you.
I like George Galloway.

What is your problem with him?

He is a Socialist

Oh I have answered my own question.

Next response should contain the phrase Jezzbolah in a definitely not obsessed way.

What’s my problem with him? He’s rocked up in a town that is broken. Which has significant historic race hate issues. To campaign specifically for the Muslim vote “For Rochdale, For Gaza”. What does Gaza have to do with Deeplish or Milnrow?

A narcissistic fool stoking racial divisions for votes in another community that is riven enough. I can’t think of anyone worse- and they had Cyril Smith and Simon Danczuk.

bigjohnowls · February 29

FrankBooth said:
Think I might put £1k on Reform. That should shift the market and get people all a flutter.

But would be a waste of money

Foxy · February 29

Stuartinromford said:

bigjohnowls said:

RochdalePioneers said:

bigjohnowls said:

RochdalePioneers said:
Inside the Galloway campaign. Knocking on doors only with Muslim voters:

https://x.com/bylinetv/status/1762965474441142740?s=46
Tommy Robertsons ex cameraman reports.
Even the dodgiest of media can show the truth. “Oh that word has just been left on the template when we printed the sheets” - bullshit
“That goes straight over my head, I don’t know anything about campaigning” - bullshit
Well he reports that on a copy of the electoral register they are filtering by Muslim

If you know anything about canvassing or the electoral register you will know that isn't true.

If you did it by "what the name sounds like", you'd have a success rate somewhere in the high nineties percent, I reckon. Pretty easy to do on a computerised mailing list.

It doesn't work for West Indians*, but determining ethnicity by name is pretty accurate for other ethnicities.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/psp.457

*who have European surnames for historical reasons.

stjohn · February 29

I've upped my stake on Reform UK. £23.42 at 46.10.

I'm not expeting to win but he might be the NOTA candidate.

bigjohnowls · February 29

MJW said:

RochdalePioneers said:

bigjohnowls said:

RochdalePioneers said:

bigjohnowls said:

RochdalePioneers said:
Inside the Galloway campaign. Knocking on doors only with Muslim voters:

https://x.com/bylinetv/status/1762965474441142740?s=46
Tommy Robertsons ex cameraman reports.
Even the dodgiest of media can show the truth. “Oh that word has just been left on the template when we printed the sheets” - bullshit
“That goes straight over my head, I don’t know anything about campaigning” - bullshit
Well he reports that on a copy of the electoral register they are filtering by Muslim

If you know anything about canvassing or the electoral register you will know that isn't true.

Can the register filter by Muslim? No. Can software you are - as they said - tracking previous knocks? Yes.

Again, you are defending Galloway. Which is a new low even for you.
Everyone knows what Galloway does - which is why even lots on the hard left won't touch him with a bargepole now. They know how he works, in a similar way to the BNP once did by deliberately stirring up tensions with foul bilge.

Well he couldn't have done that so successfully if Israel wasn't in the middle of a " plausible genocide" supported by SKS

El_Capitano · February 29

TimS said:

bigjohnowls said:
I would have voted GG

But it's a win win for me both from an anti SKS and betting point of view.

So an early night calls
I knew you were a Tory but I didn’t realise you were a Baathist too.

Baathist crazy (anag.)

stjohn · February 29

Reform UK now 50.0. Mr Market disagrees with my assessment!

Andy_JS · February 29

"Revealed: how Putin plans to flood West with migrants
Russia using militias in Africa to ‘weaponise’ flows of people in attempts to influence elections
Hayley Dixon"

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/02/29/putin-russia-wagner-militia-africa-immigration-europe/

TimS · February 29

Stuartinromford said:

TimS said:

FrankBooth said:
Galloway isn't as toxic in the red wall as you might think. Pro worker, tough on migration and modern values.
Rochdale’s not red wall, but what’s the basis for saying that? His appeal seems to be entirely to Muslim voters and based on weaponising Middle East politics. A dangerous, dangerous man.
Oh, George is quite happy to make himself Gorgeous for white voters as well;

https://twitter.com/SimonLeporiLD/status/1763303102218740074

Why am I not surprised?

Scan over Britain’s contemporary politicians to identify who might, in different circumstances and less well established democracies, take a country in a dark direction, and GG is up there in a pretty exclusive club. Farage, maybe. JRM. Few others have the demagogic charisma.

Andy_JS · February 29

Labour suddenly out to 7.4 in Rochdale with BE.

https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/en/politics/uk-by-elections/rochdale-by-election-betting-1.224220834

Foxy · February 29

bigjohnowls said:

MJW said:

RochdalePioneers said:

bigjohnowls said:

RochdalePioneers said:

bigjohnowls said:

RochdalePioneers said:
Inside the Galloway campaign. Knocking on doors only with Muslim voters:

https://x.com/bylinetv/status/1762965474441142740?s=46
Tommy Robertsons ex cameraman reports.
Even the dodgiest of media can show the truth. “Oh that word has just been left on the template when we printed the sheets” - bullshit
“That goes straight over my head, I don’t know anything about campaigning” - bullshit
Well he reports that on a copy of the electoral register they are filtering by Muslim

If you know anything about canvassing or the electoral register you will know that isn't true.

Can the register filter by Muslim? No. Can software you are - as they said - tracking previous knocks? Yes.

Again, you are defending Galloway. Which is a new low even for you.
Everyone knows what Galloway does - which is why even lots on the hard left won't touch him with a bargepole now. They know how he works, in a similar way to the BNP once did by deliberately stirring up tensions with foul bilge.
Well he couldn't have done that so successfully if Israel wasn't in the middle of a " plausible genocide" supported by SKS

Do you really think the IDF (or Hamas) would stop the slaughter if Starmer opined on the subject?

I really don't think they are interested in UK public opinion.

The whole debate in the UK over a ceasefire is tokenistic student politics writ large.

Richard_Tyndall · February 29

Returning to the very sad news about Dave Myers, I thought this was a fine piece of writing this afternoon from Stuart Heritage in the Guardian.

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2024/feb/29/genuinely-groundbreaking-how-the-hairy-bikers-dave-myers-redefined-masculinity-on-british-tv

bigjohnowls · February 29

Stuartinromford said:

TimS said:

FrankBooth said:
Galloway isn't as toxic in the red wall as you might think. Pro worker, tough on migration and modern values.
Rochdale’s not red wall, but what’s the basis for saying that? His appeal seems to be entirely to Muslim voters and based on weaponising Middle East politics. A dangerous, dangerous man.
Oh, George is quite happy to make himself Gorgeous for white voters as well;

https://twitter.com/SimonLeporiLD/status/1763303102218740074

Lol MRGA oh dear what a man.

Win by any means

GIN1138 · February 29

Richard_Tyndall said:
Returning to the very sad news about Dave Myers, I thought this was a fine piece of writing this afternoon from Stuart Heritage in the Guardian.

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2024/feb/29/genuinely-groundbreaking-how-the-hairy-bikers-dave-myers-redefined-masculinity-on-british-tv

RIP.

FrankBooth · February 29

Stuartinromford said:

TimS said:

FrankBooth said:
Galloway isn't as toxic in the red wall as you might think. Pro worker, tough on migration and modern values.
Rochdale’s not red wall, but what’s the basis for saying that? His appeal seems to be entirely to Muslim voters and based on weaponising Middle East politics. A dangerous, dangerous man.
Oh, George is quite happy to make himself Gorgeous for white voters as well;

https://twitter.com/SimonLeporiLD/status/1763303102218740074

'There'll be no grooming gangs on my watch. Even if I have to arrest them myself.'

I'll hold him to that.

Foxy · February 29

Richard_Tyndall said:
Returning to the very sad news about Dave Myers, I thought this was a fine piece of writing this afternoon from Stuart Heritage in the Guardian.

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2024/feb/29/genuinely-groundbreaking-how-the-hairy-bikers-dave-myers-redefined-masculinity-on-british-tv

Yes, the Hairy Bikers, and "Mortimer and Whiehouse Gone Fishing" are very positive TV examples of male friendships.

Male friendships are a bit different to female ones, and usually centre around doing something together like cooking or fishing, even when when not much cooking or fishing actually happens.

RIP.

FrankBooth · February 29

I've never stayed up for a by election result in the past and don't intend to now.

Looking forward to Mr Danzuk and my £50k in the morning.

bigjohnowls · February 29

Foxy said:

bigjohnowls said:

MJW said:

RochdalePioneers said:

bigjohnowls said:

RochdalePioneers said:

bigjohnowls said:

RochdalePioneers said:
Inside the Galloway campaign. Knocking on doors only with Muslim voters:

https://x.com/bylinetv/status/1762965474441142740?s=46
Tommy Robertsons ex cameraman reports.
Even the dodgiest of media can show the truth. “Oh that word has just been left on the template when we printed the sheets” - bullshit
“That goes straight over my head, I don’t know anything about campaigning” - bullshit
Well he reports that on a copy of the electoral register they are filtering by Muslim

If you know anything about canvassing or the electoral register you will know that isn't true.

Can the register filter by Muslim? No. Can software you are - as they said - tracking previous knocks? Yes.

Again, you are defending Galloway. Which is a new low even for you.
Everyone knows what Galloway does - which is why even lots on the hard left won't touch him with a bargepole now. They know how he works, in a similar way to the BNP once did by deliberately stirring up tensions with foul bilge.
Well he couldn't have done that so successfully if Israel wasn't in the middle of a " plausible genocide" supported by SKS
Do you really think the IDF (or Hamas) would stop the slaughter if Starmer opined on the subject?

I really don't think they are interested in UK public opinion.

The whole debate in the UK over a ceasefire is tokenistic student politics writ large.

Tell your son he is a tokenistic shit

bondegezou · February 29

RochdalePioneers said:

bigjohnowls said:

RochdalePioneers said:

bigjohnowls said:

RochdalePioneers said:

bigjohnowls said:

RochdalePioneers said:
Inside the Galloway campaign. Knocking on doors only with Muslim voters:

https://x.com/bylinetv/status/1762965474441142740?s=46
Tommy Robertsons ex cameraman reports.
Even the dodgiest of media can show the truth. “Oh that word has just been left on the template when we printed the sheets” - bullshit
“That goes straight over my head, I don’t know anything about campaigning” - bullshit
Well he reports that on a copy of the electoral register they are filtering by Muslim

If you know anything about canvassing or the electoral register you will know that isn't true.

Can the register filter by Muslim? No. Can software you are - as they said - tracking previous knocks? Yes.

Again, you are defending Galloway. Which is a new low even for you.
I like George Galloway.

What is your problem with him?

He is a Socialist

Oh I have answered my own question.

Next response should contain the phrase Jezzbolah in a definitely not obsessed way.
What’s my problem with him? He’s rocked up in a town that is broken. Which has significant historic race hate issues. To campaign specifically for the Muslim vote “For Rochdale, For Gaza”. What does Gaza have to do with Deeplish or Milnrow?

A narcissistic fool stoking racial divisions for votes in another community that is riven enough. I can’t think of anyone worse- and they had Cyril Smith and Simon Danczuk.

Galloway said Kuwait is "clearly a part of the greater Iraqi whole, stolen from the motherland by perfidious Albion" after Iraq invaded. Before the second Gulf War, he advised members of Saddam Hussein's government about how to deal with a potential American invasion.

In 2005, he said the media are controlled by Zionists. He's taken money from the Iranian government. He supported Assad in Syria.

Foxy · February 29

bigjohnowls said:

Foxy said:

bigjohnowls said:

MJW said:

RochdalePioneers said:

bigjohnowls said:

RochdalePioneers said:

bigjohnowls said:

RochdalePioneers said:
Inside the Galloway campaign. Knocking on doors only with Muslim voters:

https://x.com/bylinetv/status/1762965474441142740?s=46
Tommy Robertsons ex cameraman reports.
Even the dodgiest of media can show the truth. “Oh that word has just been left on the template when we printed the sheets” - bullshit
“That goes straight over my head, I don’t know anything about campaigning” - bullshit
Well he reports that on a copy of the electoral register they are filtering by Muslim

If you know anything about canvassing or the electoral register you will know that isn't true.

Can the register filter by Muslim? No. Can software you are - as they said - tracking previous knocks? Yes.

Again, you are defending Galloway. Which is a new low even for you.
Everyone knows what Galloway does - which is why even lots on the hard left won't touch him with a bargepole now. They know how he works, in a similar way to the BNP once did by deliberately stirring up tensions with foul bilge.
Well he couldn't have done that so successfully if Israel wasn't in the middle of a " plausible genocide" supported by SKS
Do you really think the IDF (or Hamas) would stop the slaughter if Starmer opined on the subject?

I really don't think they are interested in UK public opinion.

The whole debate in the UK over a ceasefire is tokenistic student politics writ large.
Tell your son he is a tokenistic shit

I wouldn't use that scatological term, but I have made exactly that point to him.

bigjohnowls · February 29

Foxy said:

bigjohnowls said:

MJW said:

RochdalePioneers said:

bigjohnowls said:

RochdalePioneers said:

bigjohnowls said:

RochdalePioneers said:
Inside the Galloway campaign. Knocking on doors only with Muslim voters:

https://x.com/bylinetv/status/1762965474441142740?s=46
Tommy Robertsons ex cameraman reports.
Even the dodgiest of media can show the truth. “Oh that word has just been left on the template when we printed the sheets” - bullshit
“That goes straight over my head, I don’t know anything about campaigning” - bullshit
Well he reports that on a copy of the electoral register they are filtering by Muslim

If you know anything about canvassing or the electoral register you will know that isn't true.

Can the register filter by Muslim? No. Can software you are - as they said - tracking previous knocks? Yes.

Again, you are defending Galloway. Which is a new low even for you.
Everyone knows what Galloway does - which is why even lots on the hard left won't touch him with a bargepole now. They know how he works, in a similar way to the BNP once did by deliberately stirring up tensions with foul bilge.
Well he couldn't have done that so successfully if Israel wasn't in the middle of a " plausible genocide" supported by SKS
Do you really think the IDF (or Hamas) would stop the slaughter if Starmer opined on the subject?

I really don't think they are interested in UK public opinion.

The whole debate in the UK over a ceasefire is tokenistic student politics writ large.

SKS determination to win musical chairs (the genocide version) has lost a safe Labour seat

Foxy · February 29

bigjohnowls said:

Foxy said:

bigjohnowls said:

MJW said:

RochdalePioneers said:

bigjohnowls said:

RochdalePioneers said:

bigjohnowls said:

RochdalePioneers said:
Inside the Galloway campaign. Knocking on doors only with Muslim voters:

https://x.com/bylinetv/status/1762965474441142740?s=46
Tommy Robertsons ex cameraman reports.
Even the dodgiest of media can show the truth. “Oh that word has just been left on the template when we printed the sheets” - bullshit
“That goes straight over my head, I don’t know anything about campaigning” - bullshit
Well he reports that on a copy of the electoral register they are filtering by Muslim

If you know anything about canvassing or the electoral register you will know that isn't true.

Can the register filter by Muslim? No. Can software you are - as they said - tracking previous knocks? Yes.

Again, you are defending Galloway. Which is a new low even for you.
Everyone knows what Galloway does - which is why even lots on the hard left won't touch him with a bargepole now. They know how he works, in a similar way to the BNP once did by deliberately stirring up tensions with foul bilge.
Well he couldn't have done that so successfully if Israel wasn't in the middle of a " plausible genocide" supported by SKS
Do you really think the IDF (or Hamas) would stop the slaughter if Starmer opined on the subject?

I really don't think they are interested in UK public opinion.

The whole debate in the UK over a ceasefire is tokenistic student politics writ large.
SKS determination to win musical chairs (the genocide version) has lost a safe Labour seat

We don't know that yet.

In any case he will win it back later this year.

bigjohnowls · February 29

Foxy said:

bigjohnowls said:

Foxy said:

bigjohnowls said:

MJW said:

RochdalePioneers said:

bigjohnowls said:

RochdalePioneers said:

bigjohnowls said:

RochdalePioneers said:
Inside the Galloway campaign. Knocking on doors only with Muslim voters:

https://x.com/bylinetv/status/1762965474441142740?s=46
Tommy Robertsons ex cameraman reports.
Even the dodgiest of media can show the truth. “Oh that word has just been left on the template when we printed the sheets” - bullshit
“That goes straight over my head, I don’t know anything about campaigning” - bullshit
Well he reports that on a copy of the electoral register they are filtering by Muslim

If you know anything about canvassing or the electoral register you will know that isn't true.

Can the register filter by Muslim? No. Can software you are - as they said - tracking previous knocks? Yes.

Again, you are defending Galloway. Which is a new low even for you.
Everyone knows what Galloway does - which is why even lots on the hard left won't touch him with a bargepole now. They know how he works, in a similar way to the BNP once did by deliberately stirring up tensions with foul bilge.
Well he couldn't have done that so successfully if Israel wasn't in the middle of a " plausible genocide" supported by SKS
Do you really think the IDF (or Hamas) would stop the slaughter if Starmer opined on the subject?

I really don't think they are interested in UK public opinion.

The whole debate in the UK over a ceasefire is tokenistic student politics writ large.
Tell your son he is a tokenistic shit
I wouldn't use that scatological term, but I have made exactly that point to him.

I bet he thinks you are wrong and that calling for a ceasefire is extremely important amongst all right thinking medics and Christians.

Andy_JS · February 29

stjohn said:
I've upped my stake on Reform UK. £23.42 at 46.10.

I'm not expeting to win but he might be the NOTA candidate.

Good luck with your bets.

Luckyguy1983 · February 29

RochdalePioneers said:

GIN1138 said:

RochdalePioneers said:

bigjohnowls said:

RochdalePioneers said:
Inside the Galloway campaign. Knocking on doors only with Muslim voters:

https://x.com/bylinetv/status/1762965474441142740?s=46
Tommy Robertsons ex cameraman reports.
Even the dodgiest of media can show the truth. “Oh that word has just been left on the template when we printed the sheets” - bullshit
“That goes straight over my head, I don’t know anything about campaigning” - bullshit
Are you in Rochdale, Rochdale? Any reports on the ground?
Hell no. And may need a name change if they elect Galloway.

"Pochdale Rioneers" stands vacant at the time of writing - act fast.

bondegezou · February 29

Newsnight reporting on Rochdale... reporting Galloway as entirely confident he has won.

But Nick Robinson is less convinced, thinks Galloway may be being misled by which ballot boxes from which areas get counted first.

Foxy · February 29

Watching BBCQT for the first time in ages.

We are really going to miss having Caroline Lucas as an MP when she stands down, she is always eloquent and articulate, and mostly right.

GIN1138 · February 29

Luckyguy1983 said:

RochdalePioneers said:

GIN1138 said:

RochdalePioneers said:

bigjohnowls said:

RochdalePioneers said:
Inside the Galloway campaign. Knocking on doors only with Muslim voters:

https://x.com/bylinetv/status/1762965474441142740?s=46
Tommy Robertsons ex cameraman reports.
Even the dodgiest of media can show the truth. “Oh that word has just been left on the template when we printed the sheets” - bullshit
“That goes straight over my head, I don’t know anything about campaigning” - bullshit
Are you in Rochdale, Rochdale? Any reports on the ground?
Hell no. And may need a name change if they elect Galloway.
"Pochdale Rioneers" stands vacant at the time of writing - act fast.

Where do you stand on Galloway, Lucky?

Foxy · February 29

bigjohnowls said:

Foxy said:

bigjohnowls said:

Foxy said:

bigjohnowls said:

MJW said:

RochdalePioneers said:

bigjohnowls said:

RochdalePioneers said:

bigjohnowls said:

RochdalePioneers said:
Inside the Galloway campaign. Knocking on doors only with Muslim voters:

https://x.com/bylinetv/status/1762965474441142740?s=46
Tommy Robertsons ex cameraman reports.
Even the dodgiest of media can show the truth. “Oh that word has just been left on the template when we printed the sheets” - bullshit
“That goes straight over my head, I don’t know anything about campaigning” - bullshit
Well he reports that on a copy of the electoral register they are filtering by Muslim

If you know anything about canvassing or the electoral register you will know that isn't true.

Can the register filter by Muslim? No. Can software you are - as they said - tracking previous knocks? Yes.

Again, you are defending Galloway. Which is a new low even for you.
Everyone knows what Galloway does - which is why even lots on the hard left won't touch him with a bargepole now. They know how he works, in a similar way to the BNP once did by deliberately stirring up tensions with foul bilge.
Well he couldn't have done that so successfully if Israel wasn't in the middle of a " plausible genocide" supported by SKS
Do you really think the IDF (or Hamas) would stop the slaughter if Starmer opined on the subject?

I really don't think they are interested in UK public opinion.

The whole debate in the UK over a ceasefire is tokenistic student politics writ large.
Tell your son he is a tokenistic shit
I wouldn't use that scatological term, but I have made exactly that point to him.

I bet he thinks you are wrong and that calling for a ceasefire is extremely important amongst all right thinking medics and Christians.

It wouldn't be the first or last time that he didn't listen to his dad!

GIN1138 · February 29

Foxy said:
Watching BBCQT for the first time in ages.

We are really going to miss having Caroline Lucas as an MP when she stands down, she is always eloquent and articulate, and mostly right.

She'll probably become Dame Caroline and be sent to the Lords!

LostPassword · February 29

LostPassword said:
My prediction is for a record low turnout.

If there is a record low turnout, then the 8,000 votes Galloway received in the Batley & Spen by-election (2021) would be enough for more than 50% of the vote in Rochdale (2024).

Alphabet_Soup · February 29

stjohn said:
Reform UK now 50.0. Mr Market disagrees with my assessment!

You should call it a value bet. You only have to be right 2% of the time.

bondegezou · February 29

GIN1138 said:

Foxy said:
Watching BBCQT for the first time in ages.

We are really going to miss having Caroline Lucas as an MP when she stands down, she is always eloquent and articulate, and mostly right.
She'll probably become Dame Caroline and be sent to the Lords!

She would join noted Brexiteer Jenny Jones and my near neighbour Natalie Bennett in the Greens' Lords contingent.

Roger · February 29

GIN1138 said:

Roger said:

Cicero said:

GIN1138 said:
Wonder if this will the be the last by election of the 2019 to 2024 Parliament?
Doubt it: Rishi's hojng long, so Blackpool South in a month or two.
If you read James O'Briens excellent book you'll read about enough graft and corruption to keep the returning officers busy for quite a while. How this government's stayed in power for so long is a mystery
They won a large majority in 2019 and the Parliament doesn't expire until January 2025.

Its no different to how Brown hung on to the last minute in 2010, Major in 1997 etc. Must admit the Parliament is dragging now though.

It would be in Con interests (though not necessarily Sunak's) to get it over and done with soon.

I meant by several resignations if not from visits by the boys in blue

Foxy · February 29

First result of the night:

Central & Northgate (Great Yarmouth) Council By-Election Result:

🌹 LAB: 52.6% (+6.5)
🌳 CON: 32.3% (+7.7)
🔶 LDM: 15.2% (+3.3)

No IND (-17.6) as previous.

Labour HOLD.
Changes w/ 2023.

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