Politics is fast. We've moved from Kemi Badenoch lying to Speaker screwing the SNP and now to 30p Islamophobia in the space of a week. No doubt there'll be something else by Monday!
"Following his refusal to apologise for comments made yesterday, the Chief Whip has suspended the Conservative whip from Lee Anderson MP."
It shouldn't be hard to do these things but for weak leaders it really is - the Anderson crowd already don't like Rishi and are probably lining up complaints about him 'giving in' to Labour right now.
Anderson himself will add it to his brand of trying-too-hard 'tell it as it is' phoneyness.
Have you got anything apart from guilt by association? Any islamist rhetoric from Khan himself?
I mean what do you want? He appears to be a muslim politician who is secular, democratic, believes in human rights, has distanced himself from people he once shared stages with. You should be celebrating him. But he's never going to pass the Leon purity test. What are muslims to make of this?
Would you make the same points about someone with past associations with neo-nazis?
If they themselves condemn neo-nazis, haven't said anything neo-nazi themselves, and have distanced themselves from people they once shared stages with, then yes the same points would be equally valid, of course.
Why do you ask? Do you have someone in mind?
Yes, you often hear this rhetoric of forgiveness from the Left
"Look, OK, this Tory mayoral candidate Herman Berlin has defended neo-Nazis in court. Including murderers. And yes OK his onetime brother in law is an actual Nazi. And yes OK in 2003 he shared a platform with multiple neo Nazis. And yes OK he did that again in 2004. Twice. And yes alright in 2005 he shared a platform five times with known neo-Nazis. And sure, alright, he did that again - attend rallies and speak alongside neo Nazis - in 2006, and 2007. And yes OK Mr Berlin also wrote to the government to say neoNazi Nick Griffin was actully a fine person who has been traduced and they should stop persecuting him. And yes OK Mister Berlin voluntarily became the legal representative for neoNazi group Britain First. But all this was ages ago and now he says he's sorry so it's totally fine"
That's a typical speech you commonly hear
The fact that you've had to literally make up something that you say is 'typical speech you commonly hear' tends to confirm that you are full of shit.
"Following his refusal to apologise for comments made yesterday, the Chief Whip has suspended the Conservative whip from Lee Anderson MP."
Where next for 30p - defect to RefUK?
There were so many Tory MPs in the height of UKIP days who clearly would rather have been UKIP, but did not have the balls to do it (really I'm surprised two ended up doing so). With the Tories set to be wiped out (or just much diminished) maybe a few more will actually go through with it.
Anderson, for all he is a blowhard with no achievements to his name, would be a better catch than Bridgen was for Reclaim. That loony, whingey soul.
No-one I knew mentioned it and even I didn't care.
My experience too. Odd
Pretty girl comes up you in the street
“Have you been following this really important thing that has happened recently?”
Most men will reply yes…
It was an online survey, which I did myself. I only said I was following it fairly closely, because YouGov is probably wary of panel members too much into politics.
Have you got anything apart from guilt by association? Any islamist rhetoric from Khan himself?
I mean what do you want? He appears to be a muslim politician who is secular, democratic, believes in human rights, has distanced himself from people he once shared stages with. You should be celebrating him. But he's never going to pass the Leon purity test. What are muslims to make of this?
Would you make the same points about someone with past associations with neo-nazis?
If they themselves condemn neo-nazis, haven't said anything neo-nazi themselves, and have distanced themselves from people they once shared stages with, then yes the same points would be equally valid, of course.
Why do you ask? Do you have someone in mind?
Yes, you often hear this rhetoric of forgiveness from the Left
"Look, OK, this Tory mayoral candidate Herman Berlin has defended neo-Nazis in court. Including murderers. And yes OK his onetime brother in law is an actual Nazi. And yes OK in 2003 he shared a platform with multiple neo Nazis. And yes OK he did that again in 2004. Twice. And yes alright in 2005 he shared a platform five times with known neo-Nazis. And sure, alright, he did that again - attend rallies and speak alongside neo Nazis - in 2006, and 2007. And yes OK Mr Berlin also wrote to the government to say neoNazi Nick Griffin was actully a fine person who has been traduced and they should stop persecuting him. And yes OK Mister Berlin voluntarily became the legal representative for neoNazi group Britain First. But all this was ages ago and now he says he's sorry so it's totally fine"
That's a typical speech you commonly hear
The fact that you've had to literally make up something that you say is 'typical speech you commonly hear' tends to confirm that you are full of shit.
Have you got anything apart from guilt by association? Any islamist rhetoric from Khan himself?
I mean what do you want? He appears to be a muslim politician who is secular, democratic, believes in human rights, has distanced himself from people he once shared stages with. You should be celebrating him. But he's never going to pass the Leon purity test. What are muslims to make of this?
Would you make the same points about someone with past associations with neo-nazis?
If they themselves condemn neo-nazis, haven't said anything neo-nazi themselves, and have distanced themselves from people they once shared stages with, then yes the same points would be equally valid, of course.
Why do you ask? Do you have someone in mind?
Yes, you often hear this rhetoric of forgiveness from the Left
"Look, OK, this Tory mayoral candidate Herman Berlin has defended neo-Nazis in court. Including murderers. And yes OK his onetime brother in law is an actual Nazi. And yes OK in 2003 he shared a platform with multiple neo Nazis. And yes OK he did that again in 2004. Twice. And yes alright in 2005 he shared a platform five times with known neo-Nazis. And sure, alright, he did that again - attend rallies and speak alongside neo Nazis - in 2006, and 2007. And yes OK Mr Berlin also wrote to the government to say neoNazi Nick Griffin was actully a fine person who has been traduced and they should stop persecuting him. And yes OK Mister Berlin voluntarily became the legal representative for neoNazi group Britain First. But all this was ages ago and now he says he's sorry so it's totally fine"
That's a typical speech you commonly hear
The fact that you've had to literally make up something that you say is 'typical speech you commonly hear' tends to confirm that you are full of shit.
I've just watched a rather good film if you're into the intersection between technology, flight, and industrial politics.
Black Box is a French film about an audio analyst working for an accident investigation team, who starts to realise his initial conclusion about the cause of a crash might have been incorrect.
Have you got anything apart from guilt by association? Any islamist rhetoric from Khan himself?
I mean what do you want? He appears to be a muslim politician who is secular, democratic, believes in human rights, has distanced himself from people he once shared stages with. You should be celebrating him. But he's never going to pass the Leon purity test. What are muslims to make of this?
Would you make the same points about someone with past associations with neo-nazis?
If they themselves condemn neo-nazis, haven't said anything neo-nazi themselves, and have distanced themselves from people they once shared stages with, then yes the same points would be equally valid, of course.
Why do you ask? Do you have someone in mind?
Yes, you often hear this rhetoric of forgiveness from the Left
"Look, OK, this Tory mayoral candidate Herman Berlin has defended neo-Nazis in court. Including murderers. And yes OK his onetime brother in law is an actual Nazi. And yes OK in 2003 he shared a platform with multiple neo Nazis. And yes OK he did that again in 2004. Twice. And yes alright in 2005 he shared a platform five times with known neo-Nazis. And sure, alright, he did that again - attend rallies and speak alongside neo Nazis - in 2006, and 2007. And yes OK Mr Berlin also wrote to the government to say neoNazi Nick Griffin was actully a fine person who has been traduced and they should stop persecuting him. And yes OK Mister Berlin voluntarily became the legal representative for neoNazi group Britain First. But all this was ages ago and now he says he's sorry so it's totally fine"
That's a typical speech you commonly hear
The fact that you've had to literally make up something that you say is 'typical speech you commonly hear' tends to confirm that you are full of shit.
Ok, PB, quick question, linked to issues with British Gas:
Is there a legal term for issuing a false bill, knowing it is a false bill, with the intention of getting payment for goods not delivered as a result?
If it is done with criminal intent then it is uttering a false document, which is a category of fraud. But if it is just complete incompetence then there is no criminal intent and being British Gas may give them a fairly unimpeachable defence in that respect.
They've now done it six times across four different accounts.
Every single time I try to close an account, they put the wrong figure on the final bill.
And not trivially, either. The errors if I had not challenged them total many thousands (as in, over three). They still haven't admitted one of them while doubling down on it. (Edit - and they know full well that bill is false.)
I am no longer willing to accept incompetence as a defence. If they are this incompetent as far as I am concerned they are still guilty of fraud.
Thanks for the tip.
NPower took me to court over a claimed £50k energy bill.
They presented false evidence to the court (made up - they claimed it was data from the automatic link to the meter without realising the meter wasn’t connected to the telephone line).
If being Islamaphobic and racist was a sackable offence we'd lose the leader of the opposition. if we carried it on to PB.Com we'd lose some of our most prominent posters.
It struck me yesterday that denying Ms Begum the right to return because she chose to join a crackpot army on an immoral mission in a foreign land sounded quite wise if we could legally get away with it.
But what about those British adventurers who have joined the IDF? On their return do they lose their citizenship and if not why not? Suppose Israel are found guilty of genocide. Will that tip the balance?
We live in a very partial country at the moment and it's one of the reasons so many are so pissed off with the way things are.
Equating a terrorist organisation with the organised army of an independent state.
Charming
Surely a state is just a terrorist organisation with a territory.
Biden will most likely never satisfy those most horrified by his Middle East policies, but if he doesn’t do more to try, he’s in danger of losing Michigan in November, which would almost certainly cost him the election. The state has the country’s largest percentage of Arab American voters, and within that community — as well as among many non-Arab Muslims, young people and progressives — there’s a deep sense of betrayal and fury at Biden
"British Airways was once so confident of its reputation, it used ‘the world’s favourite airline’ in its advertising campaigns.
But the UK’s flag-carrier has been voted among the worst airlines for both long and short haul travel.
Consumer champion Which? surveyed travellers’ experiences of flying in the past year and analysed results from over 10,000 flights.
Once among the country’s leading airlines, BA came in the bottom five for short haul flights - below a number of low-cost carriers including easyJet, and in the bottom three for long haul."
Ok, PB, quick question, linked to issues with British Gas:
Is there a legal term for issuing a false bill, knowing it is a false bill, with the intention of getting payment for goods not delivered as a result?
If it is done with criminal intent then it is uttering a false document, which is a category of fraud. But if it is just complete incompetence then there is no criminal intent and being British Gas may give them a fairly unimpeachable defence in that respect.
They've now done it six times across four different accounts.
Every single time I try to close an account, they put the wrong figure on the final bill.
And not trivially, either. The errors if I had not challenged them total many thousands (as in, over three). They still haven't admitted one of them while doubling down on it. (Edit - and they know full well that bill is false.)
I am no longer willing to accept incompetence as a defence. If they are this incompetent as far as I am concerned they are still guilty of fraud.
Thanks for the tip.
NPower took me to court over a claimed £50k energy bill.
They presented false evidence to the court (made up - they claimed it was data from the automatic link to the meter without realising the meter wasn’t connected to the telephone line).
Have you got anything apart from guilt by association? Any islamist rhetoric from Khan himself?
I mean what do you want? He appears to be a muslim politician who is secular, democratic, believes in human rights, has distanced himself from people he once shared stages with. You should be celebrating him. But he's never going to pass the Leon purity test. What are muslims to make of this?
Would you make the same points about someone with past associations with neo-nazis?
If they themselves condemn neo-nazis, haven't said anything neo-nazi themselves, and have distanced themselves from people they once shared stages with, then yes the same points would be equally valid, of course.
Why do you ask? Do you have someone in mind?
Yes, you often hear this rhetoric of forgiveness from the Left
"Look, OK, this Tory mayoral candidate Herman Berlin has defended neo-Nazis in court. Including murderers. And yes OK his onetime brother in law is an actual Nazi. And yes OK in 2003 he shared a platform with multiple neo Nazis. And yes OK he did that again in 2004. Twice. And yes alright in 2005 he shared a platform five times with known neo-Nazis. And sure, alright, he did that again - attend rallies and speak alongside neo Nazis - in 2006, and 2007. And yes OK Mr Berlin also wrote to the government to say neoNazi Nick Griffin was actully a fine person who has been traduced and they should stop persecuting him. And yes OK Mister Berlin voluntarily became the legal representative for neoNazi group Britain First. But all this was ages ago and now he says he's sorry so it's totally fine"
That's a typical speech you commonly hear
OK.
Name three of these alleged Herman Berlins.
Not the lefty defences- but the incidents where the allegations were made.
I've already given one. Paul Marshall the owner of GB News
He has been accused by the Left (in the form of Hope not Hate) of using an anoymous Twitter account to retweet some stridently anti-immigrant rhetoric (but nothing illegal, as far as I can see)
They couldn't even find original tweets, just retweets. That's it. And on this basis (infinitely flimsier than all the years of stuff I've presented re Khan) they say he is not fit to own British media, he should be hounded out of public life, etc etc
"Sir Paul Marshall, GB News co-owner and would-be Telegraph owner, has been ‘liking’ and spreading some pretty vile things on @x This casts a different light on his desire to be a mini-Murdoch. My column."
Much more recent and "didn't write it, just passed it on" isn't much of a defence.
Full marks for the chaff you're throwing, but Anderson dropped a bollock big time yesterday.
As I have said, I haven't referenced Anderson once
FWIW I will repeat my personal opinion given below. Do I think Khan is an Islamist? No, my firm guess is that he isn't. But he does have a long history of seriously dodgy associations and I can easily see why you could conclude differently. And I really do despise the constant attempt to shut down these debates with the word "Islamophobia": this technique is as fraudulent as it is tiresome
My main objection to Khan is much more pragmatic: he is a rubbish mayor. Boring, inert and clueless. A great city like London needs and deserves better - a dash of charisma and pzazz. Is that too much to ask?
Also there should be term limits on the mayoralty. Two is enough for anyone
Not really sure why someone would want ot be mayor more than twice to be honest. It's not as powerful a position as most American mayors I expect, and whilst its high profile it's the end of the road career wise unless you can parlay it into a rejuvenated parliamentary career, and after 12 years that would be trickier.
Haven't 50% of past London mayors gone on to be PM? That doesn't seem like "end of the road career wise".
Surprise surprise, there's a mayoral election on the way so the bs accusations of Islamism start getting thrown by the Conservatives. Shame they didn't bother putting up a non loon candidate. I'm not exactly Kahn's biggest fan, but will hold my nose this time to stick it to the tories.
I've never voted Labour in my life, but will be voting for Sadiq this time round. It would be crazy to do otherwise, given the new voting system that was imposed out of the blue by the Tories.
I might vote Labour if the election was going to be close... but i suspect it won't be remotely close!
"Following his refusal to apologise for comments made yesterday, the Chief Whip has suspended the Conservative whip from Lee Anderson MP."
It shouldn't be hard to do these things but for weak leaders it really is - the Anderson crowd already don't like Rishi and are probably lining up complaints about him 'giving in' to Labour right now.
Anderson himself will add it to his brand of trying-too-hard 'tell it as it is' phoneyness.
try saying that something is run by white men and not only do you not get suspended you get promoted
"Following his refusal to apologise for comments made yesterday, the Chief Whip has suspended the Conservative whip from Lee Anderson MP."
It shouldn't be hard to do these things but for weak leaders it really is - the Anderson crowd already don't like Rishi and are probably lining up complaints about him 'giving in' to Labour right now.
Anderson himself will add it to his brand of trying-too-hard 'tell it as it is' phoneyness.
try saying that something is run by white men and not only do you not get suspended you get promoted
Yep, telling the truth doesn't get you suspended, whereas spouting libellous bullshit does.
Have you got anything apart from guilt by association? Any islamist rhetoric from Khan himself?
I mean what do you want? He appears to be a muslim politician who is secular, democratic, believes in human rights, has distanced himself from people he once shared stages with. You should be celebrating him. But he's never going to pass the Leon purity test. What are muslims to make of this?
Would you make the same points about someone with past associations with neo-nazis?
If they themselves condemn neo-nazis, haven't said anything neo-nazi themselves, and have distanced themselves from people they once shared stages with, then yes the same points would be equally valid, of course.
Why do you ask? Do you have someone in mind?
Yes, you often hear this rhetoric of forgiveness from the Left
"Look, OK, this Tory mayoral candidate Herman Berlin has defended neo-Nazis in court. Including murderers. And yes OK his onetime brother in law is an actual Nazi. And yes OK in 2003 he shared a platform with multiple neo Nazis. And yes OK he did that again in 2004. Twice. And yes alright in 2005 he shared a platform five times with known neo-Nazis. And sure, alright, he did that again - attend rallies and speak alongside neo Nazis - in 2006, and 2007. And yes OK Mr Berlin also wrote to the government to say neoNazi Nick Griffin was actully a fine person who has been traduced and they should stop persecuting him. And yes OK Mister Berlin voluntarily became the legal representative for neoNazi group Britain First. But all this was ages ago and now he says he's sorry so it's totally fine"
That's a typical speech you commonly hear
OK.
Name three of these alleged Herman Berlins.
Not the lefty defences- but the incidents where the allegations were made.
I've already given one. Paul Marshall the owner of GB News
He has been accused by the Left (in the form of Hope not Hate) of using an anoymous Twitter account to retweet some stridently anti-immigrant rhetoric (but nothing illegal, as far as I can see)
They couldn't even find original tweets, just retweets. That's it. And on this basis (infinitely flimsier than all the years of stuff I've presented re Khan) they say he is not fit to own British media, he should be hounded out of public life, etc etc
"Sir Paul Marshall, GB News co-owner and would-be Telegraph owner, has been ‘liking’ and spreading some pretty vile things on @x This casts a different light on his desire to be a mini-Murdoch. My column."
Much more recent and "didn't write it, just passed it on" isn't much of a defence.
Full marks for the chaff you're throwing, but Anderson dropped a bollock big time yesterday.
As I have said, I haven't referenced Anderson once
FWIW I will repeat my personal opinion given below. Do I think Khan is an Islamist? No, my firm guess is that he isn't. But he does have a long history of seriously dodgy associations and I can easily see why you could conclude differently. And I really do despise the constant attempt to shut down these debates with the word "Islamophobia": this technique is as fraudulent as it is tiresome
My main objection to Khan is much more pragmatic: he is a rubbish mayor. Boring, inert and clueless. A great city like London needs and deserves better - a dash of charisma and pzazz. Is that too much to ask?
Also there should be term limits on the mayoralty. Two is enough for anyone
Not really sure why someone would want ot be mayor more than twice to be honest. It's not as powerful a position as most American mayors I expect, and whilst its high profile it's the end of the road career wise unless you can parlay it into a rejuvenated parliamentary career, and after 12 years that would be trickier.
Haven't 50% of past London mayors gone on to be PM? That doesn't seem like "end of the road career wise".
"Following his refusal to apologise for comments made yesterday, the Chief Whip has suspended the Conservative whip from Lee Anderson MP."
It shouldn't be hard to do these things but for weak leaders it really is - the Anderson crowd already don't like Rishi and are probably lining up complaints about him 'giving in' to Labour right now.
Anderson himself will add it to his brand of trying-too-hard 'tell it as it is' phoneyness.
try saying that something is run by white men and not only do you not get suspended you get promoted
Truth is generally a good defence. Islamists don’t control Khan, the Jews don’t control the media, but lots of things are run by white men.
Off topic, but probably of interest to many here: Some American governors are beginning to catch on: 'Whether there’s an actual shortage of housing in the United States is a matter of debate and definition, but expert estimates suggest improving overall affordability would require increasing the existing stock of about 142 million homes by between 1.7 million to 7.3 million.
The result is a pendulum swing in favor of growth and development. “The rent is too damn high, and we don’t have enough damn housing,” said Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer (D). “Our response will be simple: Build, baby, build!” She set a goal of 75,000 new or refurbished units in five years. She touted a new $1.4 billion state investment in construction. “The single largest threat to our future prosperity is the price of housing,” said Utah Gov. Spencer Cox (R), who called for $150 million worth of infrastructure and other spending to support construction of 35,000 starter homes by 2028.'
Why didn’t Anderson apologise? Does he think he has higher to rise? Anderson, Braverman and Truss, do they all think they can be the next Trump?
I don't think it's that with Anderson, I think he's just one of those people who just refuse to ever admit any fault, of the possibility they might have been unreasonable or harsh in their opinion, because they falsely think it makes them weak. So they won't even fake it, trying to make it a strength though blustering.
We shall see if he adds a dose of victimhood about being silenced or some crap, which would be a good sign he is doing it for attention.
"Yesterday evening, Stoke-on-Trent Conservatives held a re-election fundraising dinner disrupted by a pro Palestine mob. Yelling “you support Genocide” and “shame on you” isn’t an argument. It’s intimidation.
This isn’t what democracy should look like in a civilised society."
Have you got anything apart from guilt by association? Any islamist rhetoric from Khan himself?
I mean what do you want? He appears to be a muslim politician who is secular, democratic, believes in human rights, has distanced himself from people he once shared stages with. You should be celebrating him. But he's never going to pass the Leon purity test. What are muslims to make of this?
Would you make the same points about someone with past associations with neo-nazis?
If they themselves condemn neo-nazis, haven't said anything neo-nazi themselves, and have distanced themselves from people they once shared stages with, then yes the same points would be equally valid, of course.
Why do you ask? Do you have someone in mind?
Yes, you often hear this rhetoric of forgiveness from the Left
"Look, OK, this Tory mayoral candidate Herman Berlin has defended neo-Nazis in court. Including murderers. And yes OK his onetime brother in law is an actual Nazi. And yes OK in 2003 he shared a platform with multiple neo Nazis. And yes OK he did that again in 2004. Twice. And yes alright in 2005 he shared a platform five times with known neo-Nazis. And sure, alright, he did that again - attend rallies and speak alongside neo Nazis - in 2006, and 2007. And yes OK Mr Berlin also wrote to the government to say neoNazi Nick Griffin was actully a fine person who has been traduced and they should stop persecuting him. And yes OK Mister Berlin voluntarily became the legal representative for neoNazi group Britain First. But all this was ages ago and now he says he's sorry so it's totally fine"
That's a typical speech you commonly hear
OK.
Name three of these alleged Herman Berlins.
Not the lefty defences- but the incidents where the allegations were made.
I've already given one. Paul Marshall the owner of GB News
He has been accused by the Left (in the form of Hope not Hate) of using an anoymous Twitter account to retweet some stridently anti-immigrant rhetoric (but nothing illegal, as far as I can see)
They couldn't even find original tweets, just retweets. That's it. And on this basis (infinitely flimsier than all the years of stuff I've presented re Khan) they say he is not fit to own British media, he should be hounded out of public life, etc etc
"Sir Paul Marshall, GB News co-owner and would-be Telegraph owner, has been ‘liking’ and spreading some pretty vile things on @x This casts a different light on his desire to be a mini-Murdoch. My column."
Much more recent and "didn't write it, just passed it on" isn't much of a defence.
Full marks for the chaff you're throwing, but Anderson dropped a bollock big time yesterday.
As I have said, I haven't referenced Anderson once
FWIW I will repeat my personal opinion given below. Do I think Khan is an Islamist? No, my firm guess is that he isn't. But he does have a long history of seriously dodgy associations and I can easily see why you could conclude differently. And I really do despise the constant attempt to shut down these debates with the word "Islamophobia": this technique is as fraudulent as it is tiresome
My main objection to Khan is much more pragmatic: he is a rubbish mayor. Boring, inert and clueless. A great city like London needs and deserves better - a dash of charisma and pzazz. Is that too much to ask?
Also there should be term limits on the mayoralty. Two is enough for anyone
Not really sure why someone would want ot be mayor more than twice to be honest. It's not as powerful a position as most American mayors I expect, and whilst its high profile it's the end of the road career wise unless you can parlay it into a rejuvenated parliamentary career, and after 12 years that would be trickier.
Well, I think you have identified Khan's issue. Mayor of London is as good as it is going to get, for him. The job has exposed him as dull and uninspiring, even duller than Starmer, and also he DOES have this troubling backstory, which would become much more problematic if he ever aimed higher - however his decidedly middling talents mean he is not going higher anyway. He's not senior minister material, let alone PM calibre
So he might as well stay as mayor. Nice job, lots of money, status and flunkeys, and Labour are so far ahead in the capital he will cruise to victory again - whyever not?
He must be annoying other possible Labour candidates tho. I imagine quite a few bright London Labourites fancy their chances at being mayor, but Khan is bed-blocking them
Why the F didn't HMG put term limits in the original mayoral legislation? DUH
I know it’s Neon Fascist Imperialism to suggest it, but maybe someone could try being a better candidate than Khan?
Have you got anything apart from guilt by association? Any islamist rhetoric from Khan himself?
I mean what do you want? He appears to be a muslim politician who is secular, democratic, believes in human rights, has distanced himself from people he once shared stages with. You should be celebrating him. But he's never going to pass the Leon purity test. What are muslims to make of this?
Would you make the same points about someone with past associations with neo-nazis?
If they themselves condemn neo-nazis, haven't said anything neo-nazi themselves, and have distanced themselves from people they once shared stages with, then yes the same points would be equally valid, of course.
Why do you ask? Do you have someone in mind?
Yes, you often hear this rhetoric of forgiveness from the Left
"Look, OK, this Tory mayoral candidate Herman Berlin has defended neo-Nazis in court. Including murderers. And yes OK his onetime brother in law is an actual Nazi. And yes OK in 2003 he shared a platform with multiple neo Nazis. And yes OK he did that again in 2004. Twice. And yes alright in 2005 he shared a platform five times with known neo-Nazis. And sure, alright, he did that again - attend rallies and speak alongside neo Nazis - in 2006, and 2007. And yes OK Mr Berlin also wrote to the government to say neoNazi Nick Griffin was actully a fine person who has been traduced and they should stop persecuting him. And yes OK Mister Berlin voluntarily became the legal representative for neoNazi group Britain First. But all this was ages ago and now he says he's sorry so it's totally fine"
That's a typical speech you commonly hear
OK.
Name three of these alleged Herman Berlins.
Not the lefty defences- but the incidents where the allegations were made.
I've already given one. Paul Marshall the owner of GB News
He has been accused by the Left (in the form of Hope not Hate) of using an anoymous Twitter account to retweet some stridently anti-immigrant rhetoric (but nothing illegal, as far as I can see)
They couldn't even find original tweets, just retweets. That's it. And on this basis (infinitely flimsier than all the years of stuff I've presented re Khan) they say he is not fit to own British media, he should be hounded out of public life, etc etc
"Sir Paul Marshall, GB News co-owner and would-be Telegraph owner, has been ‘liking’ and spreading some pretty vile things on @x This casts a different light on his desire to be a mini-Murdoch. My column."
Much more recent and "didn't write it, just passed it on" isn't much of a defence.
Full marks for the chaff you're throwing, but Anderson dropped a bollock big time yesterday.
As I have said, I haven't referenced Anderson once
FWIW I will repeat my personal opinion given below. Do I think Khan is an Islamist? No, my firm guess is that he isn't. But he does have a long history of seriously dodgy associations and I can easily see why you could conclude differently. And I really do despise the constant attempt to shut down these debates with the word "Islamophobia": this technique is as fraudulent as it is tiresome
My main objection to Khan is much more pragmatic: he is a rubbish mayor. Boring, inert and clueless. A great city like London needs and deserves better - a dash of charisma and pzazz. Is that too much to ask?
Also there should be term limits on the mayoralty. Two is enough for anyone
Not really sure why someone would want ot be mayor more than twice to be honest. It's not as powerful a position as most American mayors I expect, and whilst its high profile it's the end of the road career wise unless you can parlay it into a rejuvenated parliamentary career, and after 12 years that would be trickier.
Well, I think you have identified Khan's issue. Mayor of London is as good as it is going to get, for him. The job has exposed him as dull and uninspiring, even duller than Starmer, and also he DOES have this troubling backstory, which would become much more problematic if he ever aimed higher - however his decidedly middling talents mean he is not going higher anyway. He's not senior minister material, let alone PM calibre
So he might as well stay as mayor. Nice job, lots of money, status and flunkeys, and Labour are so far ahead in the capital he will cruise to victory again - whyever not?
He must be annoying other possible Labour candidates tho. I imagine quite a few bright London Labourites fancy their chances at being mayor, but Khan is bed-blocking them
Why the F didn't HMG put term limits in the original mayoral legislation? DUH
I know it’s Neon Fascist Imperialism to suggest it, but maybe someone could try being a better candidate than Khan?
I quite like the idea of Neon Imperialism.
Does it come in Hot Pink too?
Nice Bergman
Not sure about the accessorisation of the ammunition pouches, though.
Given that the population of Gaza has increased by about 900% since 1967 while the population of Jews in Arab countries has fallen by about 99% which group do you think has suffered genocide ?
"Following his refusal to apologise for comments made yesterday, the Chief Whip has suspended the Conservative whip from Lee Anderson MP."
It shouldn't be hard to do these things but for weak leaders it really is - the Anderson crowd already don't like Rishi and are probably lining up complaints about him 'giving in' to Labour right now.
Anderson himself will add it to his brand of trying-too-hard 'tell it as it is' phoneyness.
try saying that something is run by white men and not only do you not get suspended you get promoted
Truth is generally a good defence. Islamists don’t control Khan, the Jews don’t control the media, but lots of things are run by white men.
yes but surely the crime is not that it is inaccurate or exaggerated but the inference of saying something distasteful . It is clearly not a sacking matter and should be left (as nearly all things ) to the electorate to decide . The tory party is bascally finished because it is not in any shape of form Conservative and is actually worse than the woke left in that it is just cowardly - at least the woke left are stupid enough to seem to believe in their utopia , the tories are just to cowardly to oppose it
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💥Lee Anderson suspended
A spokesperson for Chief Whip Simon Hart said:
"Following his refusal to apologise for comments made yesterday, the Chief Whip has suspended the Conservative whip from Lee Anderson MP."
The Lee Anderson suspended
Anderson himself will add it to his brand of trying-too-hard 'tell it as it is' phoneyness.
Anderson, for all he is a blowhard with no achievements to his name, would be a better catch than Bridgen was for Reclaim. That loony, whingey soul.
What a choice of words
NPower took me to court over a claimed £50k energy bill.
They presented false evidence to the court (made up - they claimed it was data from the automatic link to the meter without realising the meter wasn’t connected to the telephone line).
Took the judge 30 mins to throw the case out
Still cost me £6k in costs I’m not getting back
Terrorism is sometimes right.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YSqH0eKKpQ
And for a longer term prediction then how about most American Jews will be voting for the GOP within twenty years.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68392621
Tories 18%
RefUK 15%
But the UK’s flag-carrier has been voted among the worst airlines for both long and short haul travel.
Consumer champion Which? surveyed travellers’ experiences of flying in the past year and analysed results from over 10,000 flights.
Once among the country’s leading airlines, BA came in the bottom five for short haul flights - below a number of low-cost carriers including easyJet, and in the bottom three for long haul."
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/article-13116963/best-worst-short-haul-airlines-BA.html
Wales 7
57 mins
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/rugby-union/67803193
Fancy that.
A Farage-Trump special relationship. We could be the 51st State by Christmas.
I’m sitting watching rugby drinking peppermint tea
Life, huh
The ones who don't are mainly Remainer Cameroons who have likely already defected to Starmer Labour or the LDs anyway
The result is a pendulum swing in favor of growth and development. “The rent is too damn high, and we don’t have enough damn housing,” said Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer (D). “Our response will be simple: Build, baby, build!” She set a goal of 75,000 new or refurbished units in five years. She touted a new $1.4 billion state investment in construction. “The single largest threat to our future prosperity is the price of housing,” said Utah Gov. Spencer Cox (R), who called for $150 million worth of infrastructure and other spending to support construction of 35,000 starter homes by 2028.'
source$: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/02/24/housing-governors-affordable-red-tape/
The editorial goes on to say that some governors -- even a few Democrats -- are at least saying that regulations are part of the problem. Here's an extreme example: https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2024/02/22/maui-fires-hawaii-housing/
We shall see if he adds a dose of victimhood about being silenced or some crap, which would be a good sign he is doing it for attention.
"Yesterday evening, Stoke-on-Trent Conservatives held a re-election fundraising dinner disrupted by a pro Palestine mob. Yelling “you support Genocide” and “shame on you” isn’t an argument. It’s intimidation.
This isn’t what democracy should look like in a civilised society."
https://x.com/ArchRose90/status/1761359671116337516?s=20
"This ‘peaceful’ protest involved grown men screaming Tory scum at my 11 yr old daughter….
These people aren’t really bothered about a cause, they make little videos like that try and make a profile for themselves and intimidate others.
A disgrace to our city"
https://x.com/daveevans188/status/1761365592441868357?s=20
Otherwise you are endorsing this kind of fashion choice…
https://twitter.com/Lowkey0nline/status/1760733954737426551
Does it come in Hot Pink too?
Nice Bergman
Not sure about the accessorisation of the ammunition pouches, though.
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