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A popular populist? Trump’s chances in the popular vote – politicalbetting.com

SystemSystem Posts: 11,010
edited February 4 in General
imageA popular populist? Trump’s chances in the popular vote – politicalbetting.com

American voters look highly likely to witness a rematch in November, for the first time in almost 70 years. But while the candidates may look familiar to last time, the polls look quite different. In fact, Donald Trump has the best polling for a Republican nominee at this stage for at least 20 years.

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    FishingFishing Posts: 4,561
    Excellent thread with which I agree and have very little to add.

    One other obvious issue is how a candidate in jail will change the race, and another is the possibility of the Supreme Court kicking him off the ballot. Both far from certain, but who knows?
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    rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 7,907
    Interesting thread.

    I've been wondering for a while if Biden's poor polling is partly dems who don't want him to run again. But they'll vote for him when it comes to it, especially if Trump is the alternative.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,799
    Polling was spot on, in 2022. The Republicans won a clear majority of the popular vote, and led by a similar margin to Trump, today.

    But, the Democrats out-performed in key marginals, whereas the Republicans outperformed in safely Red States, or safely Blue ones. Abetted by the Republicans’ habit of picking batshit candidates in marginals.

    So, the Republicans only eked out a meagre win in the House, and fell short in Senate seats they should have won.

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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,855
    FPT, but on-topic for this one. Want to know why people are voting for Trump?

    Florida joins confederacy 2.0:

    https://x.com/govrondesantis/status/1750292966067851637

    If the Constitution really made states powerless to defend themselves against an invasion, it wouldn’t have been ratified in the first place and Texas would have never joined the union when it did.

    TX is upholding the law while Biden is flouting it.

    FL will keep assisting Texas with personnel and assets.

    Abbott has been getting support from quite a few state governors in the past few hours.

    Dare I say it, but @Leon was right about immigration being the issue top of the table.

    Abbott’s statement is, umm, aggressive in his assertion of his right to defend the border.

    ”The federal government has broken the compact between the United States and the States. The Executive Branch of the United States has a constitutional duty to enforce federal laws protecting States, including immigration laws on the books right now. President Biden has refused to enforce those laws and has even violated them. The result is that he has smashed records for illegal immigration.

    “Despite having been put on notice in a series of letters—one of which I delivered to him by hand—President Biden has ignored Texas’s demand that he perform his constitutional duties.

    “President Biden has violated his oath to faithfully execute immigration laws enacted by Congress. Instead of prosecuting immigrants for the federal crime of illegal entry, President Biden has sent his lawyers into federal courts to sue Texas for taking action to secure the border.

    “President Biden has instructed his agencies to ignore federal statutes that mandate the detention of illegal immigrants. The effect is to illegally allow their en masse parole into the United States.

    “By wasting taxpayer dollars to tear open Texas’s border security infrastructure, President Biden has enticed illegal immigrants away from the 28 legal entry points along this State’s southern border— bridges where nobody drowns—and into the dangerous waters of the Rio Grande.

    “Under President Biden’s lawless border policies, more than 6 million illegal immigrants have crossed our southern border in just 3 years. That is more than the population of 33 different States in this country. This illegal refusal to protect the States has inflicted unprecedented harm on the People all across the United States.


    https://thepostmillennial.com/just-in-greg-abbott-declares-invasion-over-border-crisis-invokes-right-to-self-defense
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,855
    To be balanced, the other side of the same story….

    https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/4427211-texas-democrat-biden-seize-control-texas-national-guard/

    Rep. Joaquin Castro (D-Texas) is calling on President Biden to take control of the Texas National Guard if the state defies a Supreme Court ruling that allows U.S. Border Patrol officers to take down the border barriers.
    “Governor Greg Abbott is using the Texas National Guard to obstruct and create chaos at the border. If Abbott is defying yesterday’s Supreme Court ruling, @POTUS needs to establish sole federal control of the Texas National Guard now,”

    Castro wrote in a Tuesday post on X, the platform formerly known as Twitter.
    Texas Gov. Greg Abbott (R) has been engaged in a months-long feud with the Biden administration over the situation at the border. Abbott has maintained that Biden is not doing enough to address border security, while the Biden administration has said Texas does not have the authority to erect razor wire barriers.



    The Supreme Court ruled 5-4 on Monday to allow U.S. Border Patrol agents to remove the razor wire on the border wall placed by Texas law enforcement. The ruling came as tensions between Texas and the federal government continued to rise in recent weeks.

    Despite the ruling, Abbott has said that the Texas National Guard will continue to install the razor wire along the border in a post on X. Rep. Chip Roy (R-Texas) also urged Texas to ignore the Supreme Court ruling earlier this week.
    “Texas’ razor wire is an effective deterrent against the illegal border crossings encouraged by Biden’s open border policies. We continue to deploy this razor wire to repel illegal immigration,” Abbott said.

    Rep. Greg Casar (D-Texas) criticized Abbott for ordering more razor wire to be installed after the ruling.
    “Greg Abbott’s latest stunt after yesterday’s Supreme Court order is malicious, unconstitutional, & against Texas values. Our country needs Congress to create a safer, humane, & more orderly immigration system — not razor wire to cut innocent people or laws that attack families,” he wrote on X.

    The Texas National Guard and the Texas Department of Public Safety earlier this month installed fences and razor wire in a riverside park in Eagle Pass, Texas, which state law enforcement also prevented Border Patrol officers from accessing.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,157
    Sean_F said:

    Polling was spot on, in 2022. The Republicans won a clear majority of the popular vote, and led by a similar margin to Trump, today.

    But, the Democrats out-performed in key marginals, whereas the Republicans outperformed in safely Red States, or safely Blue ones. Abetted by the Republicans’ habit of picking batshit candidates in marginals.

    So, the Republicans only eked out a meagre win in the House, and fell short in Senate seats they should have won.

    Batshit candidates are an issue, on this basis.

    Good job they’re about to pick Trump, who is sane, intelligent and has never attempted a coup.

    Oh.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,157
    Sandpit said:

    To be balanced, the other side of the same story….

    https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/4427211-texas-democrat-biden-seize-control-texas-national-guard/

    Rep. Joaquin Castro (D-Texas) is calling on President Biden to take control of the Texas National Guard if the state defies a Supreme Court ruling that allows U.S. Border Patrol officers to take down the border barriers.
    “Governor Greg Abbott is using the Texas National Guard to obstruct and create chaos at the border. If Abbott is defying yesterday’s Supreme Court ruling, @POTUS needs to establish sole federal control of the Texas National Guard now,”

    Castro wrote in a Tuesday post on X, the platform formerly known as Twitter.
    Texas Gov. Greg Abbott (R) has been engaged in a months-long feud with the Biden administration over the situation at the border. Abbott has maintained that Biden is not doing enough to address border security, while the Biden administration has said Texas does not have the authority to erect razor wire barriers.



    The Supreme Court ruled 5-4 on Monday to allow U.S. Border Patrol agents to remove the razor wire on the border wall placed by Texas law enforcement. The ruling came as tensions between Texas and the federal government continued to rise in recent weeks.

    Despite the ruling, Abbott has said that the Texas National Guard will continue to install the razor wire along the border in a post on X. Rep. Chip Roy (R-Texas) also urged Texas to ignore the Supreme Court ruling earlier this week.
    “Texas’ razor wire is an effective deterrent against the illegal border crossings encouraged by Biden’s open border policies. We continue to deploy this razor wire to repel illegal immigration,” Abbott said.

    Rep. Greg Casar (D-Texas) criticized Abbott for ordering more razor wire to be installed after the ruling.
    “Greg Abbott’s latest stunt after yesterday’s Supreme Court order is malicious, unconstitutional, & against Texas values. Our country needs Congress to create a safer, humane, & more orderly immigration system — not razor wire to cut innocent people or laws that attack families,” he wrote on X.

    The Texas National Guard and the Texas Department of Public Safety earlier this month installed fences and razor wire in a riverside park in Eagle Pass, Texas, which state law enforcement also prevented Border Patrol officers from accessing.

    If that isn’t contempt of court, I don’t know what is.

    Could Abbott end up in prison himself? That would be quite funny.

    Although Dan Patrick is just as off the wall.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,298
    I'm on too.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,855
    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    To be balanced, the other side of the same story….

    https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/4427211-texas-democrat-biden-seize-control-texas-national-guard/

    Rep. Joaquin Castro (D-Texas) is calling on President Biden to take control of the Texas National Guard if the state defies a Supreme Court ruling that allows U.S. Border Patrol officers to take down the border barriers.
    “Governor Greg Abbott is using the Texas National Guard to obstruct and create chaos at the border. If Abbott is defying yesterday’s Supreme Court ruling, @POTUS needs to establish sole federal control of the Texas National Guard now,”

    Castro wrote in a Tuesday post on X, the platform formerly known as Twitter.
    Texas Gov. Greg Abbott (R) has been engaged in a months-long feud with the Biden administration over the situation at the border. Abbott has maintained that Biden is not doing enough to address border security, while the Biden administration has said Texas does not have the authority to erect razor wire barriers.



    The Supreme Court ruled 5-4 on Monday to allow U.S. Border Patrol agents to remove the razor wire on the border wall placed by Texas law enforcement. The ruling came as tensions between Texas and the federal government continued to rise in recent weeks.

    Despite the ruling, Abbott has said that the Texas National Guard will continue to install the razor wire along the border in a post on X. Rep. Chip Roy (R-Texas) also urged Texas to ignore the Supreme Court ruling earlier this week.
    “Texas’ razor wire is an effective deterrent against the illegal border crossings encouraged by Biden’s open border policies. We continue to deploy this razor wire to repel illegal immigration,” Abbott said.

    Rep. Greg Casar (D-Texas) criticized Abbott for ordering more razor wire to be installed after the ruling.
    “Greg Abbott’s latest stunt after yesterday’s Supreme Court order is malicious, unconstitutional, & against Texas values. Our country needs Congress to create a safer, humane, & more orderly immigration system — not razor wire to cut innocent people or laws that attack families,” he wrote on X.

    The Texas National Guard and the Texas Department of Public Safety earlier this month installed fences and razor wire in a riverside park in Eagle Pass, Texas, which state law enforcement also prevented Border Patrol officers from accessing.

    If that isn’t contempt of court, I don’t know what is.

    Could Abbott end up in prison himself? That would be quite funny.

    Although Dan Patrick is just as off the wall.
    It’s the age-old issue of states’ rights.

    Now, I’m not yet saying C***l W*r, but one set of armed officers fighting another set of armed officers for control of a border, is not an unusual way of these things starting.

    Also, by means of some background, Biden’s trying to get legislation passed to give citizenship to the illegals.
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/feb/18/new-us-laws-to-give-undocumented-migrants-a-pathway-to-citizenship
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,157
    edited January 25
    Sandpit said:

    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    To be balanced, the other side of the same story….

    https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/4427211-texas-democrat-biden-seize-control-texas-national-guard/

    Rep. Joaquin Castro (D-Texas) is calling on President Biden to take control of the Texas National Guard if the state defies a Supreme Court ruling that allows U.S. Border Patrol officers to take down the border barriers.
    “Governor Greg Abbott is using the Texas National Guard to obstruct and create chaos at the border. If Abbott is defying yesterday’s Supreme Court ruling, @POTUS needs to establish sole federal control of the Texas National Guard now,”

    Castro wrote in a Tuesday post on X, the platform formerly known as Twitter.
    Texas Gov. Greg Abbott (R) has been engaged in a months-long feud with the Biden administration over the situation at the border. Abbott has maintained that Biden is not doing enough to address border security, while the Biden administration has said Texas does not have the authority to erect razor wire barriers.



    The Supreme Court ruled 5-4 on Monday to allow U.S. Border Patrol agents to remove the razor wire on the border wall placed by Texas law enforcement. The ruling came as tensions between Texas and the federal government continued to rise in recent weeks.

    Despite the ruling, Abbott has said that the Texas National Guard will continue to install the razor wire along the border in a post on X. Rep. Chip Roy (R-Texas) also urged Texas to ignore the Supreme Court ruling earlier this week.
    “Texas’ razor wire is an effective deterrent against the illegal border crossings encouraged by Biden’s open border policies. We continue to deploy this razor wire to repel illegal immigration,” Abbott said.

    Rep. Greg Casar (D-Texas) criticized Abbott for ordering more razor wire to be installed after the ruling.
    “Greg Abbott’s latest stunt after yesterday’s Supreme Court order is malicious, unconstitutional, & against Texas values. Our country needs Congress to create a safer, humane, & more orderly immigration system — not razor wire to cut innocent people or laws that attack families,” he wrote on X.

    The Texas National Guard and the Texas Department of Public Safety earlier this month installed fences and razor wire in a riverside park in Eagle Pass, Texas, which state law enforcement also prevented Border Patrol officers from accessing.

    If that isn’t contempt of court, I don’t know what is.

    Could Abbott end up in prison himself? That would be quite funny.

    Although Dan Patrick is just as off the wall.
    It’s the age-old issue of states’ rights.

    Now, I’m not yet saying C***l W*r, but one set of armed officers fighting another set of armed officers for control of a border, is not an unusual way of these things starting.

    Also, by means of some background, Biden’s trying to get legislation passed to give citizenship to the illegals.
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/feb/18/new-us-laws-to-give-undocumented-migrants-a-pathway-to-citizenship
    Background or not, when you are ordered to do something by a court and don’t do it, that’s contempt.

    The background becomes irrelevant.

    This is, incidentally, nothing to do with states’ rights. This is Abbott trying to play politics in an election year. I just wonder if he has thought through the consequences for himself.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,855
    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    To be balanced, the other side of the same story….

    https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/4427211-texas-democrat-biden-seize-control-texas-national-guard/

    Rep. Joaquin Castro (D-Texas) is calling on President Biden to take control of the Texas National Guard if the state defies a Supreme Court ruling that allows U.S. Border Patrol officers to take down the border barriers.
    “Governor Greg Abbott is using the Texas National Guard to obstruct and create chaos at the border. If Abbott is defying yesterday’s Supreme Court ruling, @POTUS needs to establish sole federal control of the Texas National Guard now,”

    Castro wrote in a Tuesday post on X, the platform formerly known as Twitter.
    Texas Gov. Greg Abbott (R) has been engaged in a months-long feud with the Biden administration over the situation at the border. Abbott has maintained that Biden is not doing enough to address border security, while the Biden administration has said Texas does not have the authority to erect razor wire barriers.



    The Supreme Court ruled 5-4 on Monday to allow U.S. Border Patrol agents to remove the razor wire on the border wall placed by Texas law enforcement. The ruling came as tensions between Texas and the federal government continued to rise in recent weeks.

    Despite the ruling, Abbott has said that the Texas National Guard will continue to install the razor wire along the border in a post on X. Rep. Chip Roy (R-Texas) also urged Texas to ignore the Supreme Court ruling earlier this week.
    “Texas’ razor wire is an effective deterrent against the illegal border crossings encouraged by Biden’s open border policies. We continue to deploy this razor wire to repel illegal immigration,” Abbott said.

    Rep. Greg Casar (D-Texas) criticized Abbott for ordering more razor wire to be installed after the ruling.
    “Greg Abbott’s latest stunt after yesterday’s Supreme Court order is malicious, unconstitutional, & against Texas values. Our country needs Congress to create a safer, humane, & more orderly immigration system — not razor wire to cut innocent people or laws that attack families,” he wrote on X.

    The Texas National Guard and the Texas Department of Public Safety earlier this month installed fences and razor wire in a riverside park in Eagle Pass, Texas, which state law enforcement also prevented Border Patrol officers from accessing.

    If that isn’t contempt of court, I don’t know what is.

    Could Abbott end up in prison himself? That would be quite funny.

    Although Dan Patrick is just as off the wall.
    It’s the age-old issue of states’ rights.

    Now, I’m not yet saying C***l W*r, but one set of armed officers fighting another set of armed officers for control of a border, is not an unusual way of these things starting.

    Also, by means of some background, Biden’s trying to get legislation passed to give citizenship to the illegals.
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/feb/18/new-us-laws-to-give-undocumented-migrants-a-pathway-to-citizenship
    Background or not, when you are ordered to do something by a court and don’t do it, that’s contempt.

    The background becomes irrelevant.

    This is, incidentally, nothing to do with states’ rights. This is Abbott trying to play politics in an election year. I just wonder if he has thought through the consequences for himself.
    The question is, what do the Feds do about it, if the Texas National Guard don’t back down?

    Abbott is wildly popular in Texas, and he’d be re-elected from jail with a landslide.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,157
    edited January 25
    Sandpit said:

    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    To be balanced, the other side of the same story….

    https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/4427211-texas-democrat-biden-seize-control-texas-national-guard/

    Rep. Joaquin Castro (D-Texas) is calling on President Biden to take control of the Texas National Guard if the state defies a Supreme Court ruling that allows U.S. Border Patrol officers to take down the border barriers.
    “Governor Greg Abbott is using the Texas National Guard to obstruct and create chaos at the border. If Abbott is defying yesterday’s Supreme Court ruling, @POTUS needs to establish sole federal control of the Texas National Guard now,”

    Castro wrote in a Tuesday post on X, the platform formerly known as Twitter.
    Texas Gov. Greg Abbott (R) has been engaged in a months-long feud with the Biden administration over the situation at the border. Abbott has maintained that Biden is not doing enough to address border security, while the Biden administration has said Texas does not have the authority to erect razor wire barriers.



    The Supreme Court ruled 5-4 on Monday to allow U.S. Border Patrol agents to remove the razor wire on the border wall placed by Texas law enforcement. The ruling came as tensions between Texas and the federal government continued to rise in recent weeks.

    Despite the ruling, Abbott has said that the Texas National Guard will continue to install the razor wire along the border in a post on X. Rep. Chip Roy (R-Texas) also urged Texas to ignore the Supreme Court ruling earlier this week.
    “Texas’ razor wire is an effective deterrent against the illegal border crossings encouraged by Biden’s open border policies. We continue to deploy this razor wire to repel illegal immigration,” Abbott said.

    Rep. Greg Casar (D-Texas) criticized Abbott for ordering more razor wire to be installed after the ruling.
    “Greg Abbott’s latest stunt after yesterday’s Supreme Court order is malicious, unconstitutional, & against Texas values. Our country needs Congress to create a safer, humane, & more orderly immigration system — not razor wire to cut innocent people or laws that attack families,” he wrote on X.

    The Texas National Guard and the Texas Department of Public Safety earlier this month installed fences and razor wire in a riverside park in Eagle Pass, Texas, which state law enforcement also prevented Border Patrol officers from accessing.

    If that isn’t contempt of court, I don’t know what is.

    Could Abbott end up in prison himself? That would be quite funny.

    Although Dan Patrick is just as off the wall.
    It’s the age-old issue of states’ rights.

    Now, I’m not yet saying C***l W*r, but one set of armed officers fighting another set of armed officers for control of a border, is not an unusual way of these things starting.

    Also, by means of some background, Biden’s trying to get legislation passed to give citizenship to the illegals.
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/feb/18/new-us-laws-to-give-undocumented-migrants-a-pathway-to-citizenship
    Background or not, when you are ordered to do something by a court and don’t do it, that’s contempt.

    The background becomes irrelevant.

    This is, incidentally, nothing to do with states’ rights. This is Abbott trying to play politics in an election year. I just wonder if he has thought through the consequences for himself.
    The question is, what do the Feds do about it, if the Texas National Guard don’t back down?

    Abbott is wildly popular in Texas, and he’d be re-elected from jail with a landslide.
    He wouldn't be eligible though, would he? Because felons in Texas don't have the vote...and better still, those convicted of 'high crimes' lose it for good.

    Edit - and again, this isn't about the Feds. It's about the Supreme Court. Just at the moment when they're going to rule on Trump's eligibility, are they going to want some twat of a Republican Governor saying 'ignore them if you don't like what they say?' I don't think even Alito's going to be pleased about that, although I say nothing about Thomas.
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    Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 12,983
    Sandpit said:

    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    To be balanced, the other side of the same story….

    https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/4427211-texas-democrat-biden-seize-control-texas-national-guard/

    Rep. Joaquin Castro (D-Texas) is calling on President Biden to take control of the Texas National Guard if the state defies a Supreme Court ruling that allows U.S. Border Patrol officers to take down the border barriers.
    “Governor Greg Abbott is using the Texas National Guard to obstruct and create chaos at the border. If Abbott is defying yesterday’s Supreme Court ruling, @POTUS needs to establish sole federal control of the Texas National Guard now,”

    Castro wrote in a Tuesday post on X, the platform formerly known as Twitter.
    Texas Gov. Greg Abbott (R) has been engaged in a months-long feud with the Biden administration over the situation at the border. Abbott has maintained that Biden is not doing enough to address border security, while the Biden administration has said Texas does not have the authority to erect razor wire barriers.



    The Supreme Court ruled 5-4 on Monday to allow U.S. Border Patrol agents to remove the razor wire on the border wall placed by Texas law enforcement. The ruling came as tensions between Texas and the federal government continued to rise in recent weeks.

    Despite the ruling, Abbott has said that the Texas National Guard will continue to install the razor wire along the border in a post on X. Rep. Chip Roy (R-Texas) also urged Texas to ignore the Supreme Court ruling earlier this week.
    “Texas’ razor wire is an effective deterrent against the illegal border crossings encouraged by Biden’s open border policies. We continue to deploy this razor wire to repel illegal immigration,” Abbott said.

    Rep. Greg Casar (D-Texas) criticized Abbott for ordering more razor wire to be installed after the ruling.
    “Greg Abbott’s latest stunt after yesterday’s Supreme Court order is malicious, unconstitutional, & against Texas values. Our country needs Congress to create a safer, humane, & more orderly immigration system — not razor wire to cut innocent people or laws that attack families,” he wrote on X.

    The Texas National Guard and the Texas Department of Public Safety earlier this month installed fences and razor wire in a riverside park in Eagle Pass, Texas, which state law enforcement also prevented Border Patrol officers from accessing.

    If that isn’t contempt of court, I don’t know what is.

    Could Abbott end up in prison himself? That would be quite funny.

    Although Dan Patrick is just as off the wall.
    It’s the age-old issue of states’ rights.

    Now, I’m not yet saying C***l W*r, but one set of armed officers fighting another set of armed officers for control of a border, is not an unusual way of these things starting.

    Also, by means of some background, Biden’s trying to get legislation passed to give citizenship to the illegals.
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/feb/18/new-us-laws-to-give-undocumented-migrants-a-pathway-to-citizenship
    Background or not, when you are ordered to do something by a court and don’t do it, that’s contempt.

    The background becomes irrelevant.

    This is, incidentally, nothing to do with states’ rights. This is Abbott trying to play politics in an election year. I just wonder if he has thought through the consequences for himself.
    The question is, what do the Feds do about it, if the Texas National Guard don’t back down?

    Then Congress exerts their authority to bring the Guard under Federal authority and any Guard member who doesn't feel like obeying the chain of command goes to USDB Leavenworth.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,855
    Dura_Ace said:

    Sandpit said:

    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    To be balanced, the other side of the same story….

    https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/4427211-texas-democrat-biden-seize-control-texas-national-guard/

    Rep. Joaquin Castro (D-Texas) is calling on President Biden to take control of the Texas National Guard if the state defies a Supreme Court ruling that allows U.S. Border Patrol officers to take down the border barriers.
    “Governor Greg Abbott is using the Texas National Guard to obstruct and create chaos at the border. If Abbott is defying yesterday’s Supreme Court ruling, @POTUS needs to establish sole federal control of the Texas National Guard now,”

    Castro wrote in a Tuesday post on X, the platform formerly known as Twitter.
    Texas Gov. Greg Abbott (R) has been engaged in a months-long feud with the Biden administration over the situation at the border. Abbott has maintained that Biden is not doing enough to address border security, while the Biden administration has said Texas does not have the authority to erect razor wire barriers.



    The Supreme Court ruled 5-4 on Monday to allow U.S. Border Patrol agents to remove the razor wire on the border wall placed by Texas law enforcement. The ruling came as tensions between Texas and the federal government continued to rise in recent weeks.

    Despite the ruling, Abbott has said that the Texas National Guard will continue to install the razor wire along the border in a post on X. Rep. Chip Roy (R-Texas) also urged Texas to ignore the Supreme Court ruling earlier this week.
    “Texas’ razor wire is an effective deterrent against the illegal border crossings encouraged by Biden’s open border policies. We continue to deploy this razor wire to repel illegal immigration,” Abbott said.

    Rep. Greg Casar (D-Texas) criticized Abbott for ordering more razor wire to be installed after the ruling.
    “Greg Abbott’s latest stunt after yesterday’s Supreme Court order is malicious, unconstitutional, & against Texas values. Our country needs Congress to create a safer, humane, & more orderly immigration system — not razor wire to cut innocent people or laws that attack families,” he wrote on X.

    The Texas National Guard and the Texas Department of Public Safety earlier this month installed fences and razor wire in a riverside park in Eagle Pass, Texas, which state law enforcement also prevented Border Patrol officers from accessing.

    If that isn’t contempt of court, I don’t know what is.

    Could Abbott end up in prison himself? That would be quite funny.

    Although Dan Patrick is just as off the wall.
    It’s the age-old issue of states’ rights.

    Now, I’m not yet saying C***l W*r, but one set of armed officers fighting another set of armed officers for control of a border, is not an unusual way of these things starting.

    Also, by means of some background, Biden’s trying to get legislation passed to give citizenship to the illegals.
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/feb/18/new-us-laws-to-give-undocumented-migrants-a-pathway-to-citizenship
    Background or not, when you are ordered to do something by a court and don’t do it, that’s contempt.

    The background becomes irrelevant.

    This is, incidentally, nothing to do with states’ rights. This is Abbott trying to play politics in an election year. I just wonder if he has thought through the consequences for himself.
    The question is, what do the Feds do about it, if the Texas National Guard don’t back down?

    Then Congress exerts their authority to bring the Guard under Federal authority and any Guard member who doesn't feel like obeying the chain of command goes to USDB Leavenworth.
    I suspect Congress, well at least the House, would impeach Biden if he tried anything like that.
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    Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 12,983
    Sandpit said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Sandpit said:

    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    To be balanced, the other side of the same story….

    https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/4427211-texas-democrat-biden-seize-control-texas-national-guard/

    Rep. Joaquin Castro (D-Texas) is calling on President Biden to take control of the Texas National Guard if the state defies a Supreme Court ruling that allows U.S. Border Patrol officers to take down the border barriers.
    “Governor Greg Abbott is using the Texas National Guard to obstruct and create chaos at the border. If Abbott is defying yesterday’s Supreme Court ruling, @POTUS needs to establish sole federal control of the Texas National Guard now,”

    Castro wrote in a Tuesday post on X, the platform formerly known as Twitter.
    Texas Gov. Greg Abbott (R) has been engaged in a months-long feud with the Biden administration over the situation at the border. Abbott has maintained that Biden is not doing enough to address border security, while the Biden administration has said Texas does not have the authority to erect razor wire barriers.



    The Supreme Court ruled 5-4 on Monday to allow U.S. Border Patrol agents to remove the razor wire on the border wall placed by Texas law enforcement. The ruling came as tensions between Texas and the federal government continued to rise in recent weeks.

    Despite the ruling, Abbott has said that the Texas National Guard will continue to install the razor wire along the border in a post on X. Rep. Chip Roy (R-Texas) also urged Texas to ignore the Supreme Court ruling earlier this week.
    “Texas’ razor wire is an effective deterrent against the illegal border crossings encouraged by Biden’s open border policies. We continue to deploy this razor wire to repel illegal immigration,” Abbott said.

    Rep. Greg Casar (D-Texas) criticized Abbott for ordering more razor wire to be installed after the ruling.
    “Greg Abbott’s latest stunt after yesterday’s Supreme Court order is malicious, unconstitutional, & against Texas values. Our country needs Congress to create a safer, humane, & more orderly immigration system — not razor wire to cut innocent people or laws that attack families,” he wrote on X.

    The Texas National Guard and the Texas Department of Public Safety earlier this month installed fences and razor wire in a riverside park in Eagle Pass, Texas, which state law enforcement also prevented Border Patrol officers from accessing.

    If that isn’t contempt of court, I don’t know what is.

    Could Abbott end up in prison himself? That would be quite funny.

    Although Dan Patrick is just as off the wall.
    It’s the age-old issue of states’ rights.

    Now, I’m not yet saying C***l W*r, but one set of armed officers fighting another set of armed officers for control of a border, is not an unusual way of these things starting.

    Also, by means of some background, Biden’s trying to get legislation passed to give citizenship to the illegals.
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/feb/18/new-us-laws-to-give-undocumented-migrants-a-pathway-to-citizenship
    Background or not, when you are ordered to do something by a court and don’t do it, that’s contempt.

    The background becomes irrelevant.

    This is, incidentally, nothing to do with states’ rights. This is Abbott trying to play politics in an election year. I just wonder if he has thought through the consequences for himself.
    The question is, what do the Feds do about it, if the Texas National Guard don’t back down?

    Then Congress exerts their authority to bring the Guard under Federal authority and any Guard member who doesn't feel like obeying the chain of command goes to USDB Leavenworth.
    I suspect Congress, well at least the House, would impeach Biden if he tried anything like that.
    On what grounds? Congress absolutely has the power to Federalize Guard units and the President can legally call them to Active Duty which has the same effect.

    They aren't Abbott's private militia.
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    Sandpit said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Sandpit said:

    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    To be balanced, the other side of the same story….

    https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/4427211-texas-democrat-biden-seize-control-texas-national-guard/

    Rep. Joaquin Castro (D-Texas) is calling on President Biden to take control of the Texas National Guard if the state defies a Supreme Court ruling that allows U.S. Border Patrol officers to take down the border barriers.
    “Governor Greg Abbott is using the Texas National Guard to obstruct and create chaos at the border. If Abbott is defying yesterday’s Supreme Court ruling, @POTUS needs to establish sole federal control of the Texas National Guard now,”

    Castro wrote in a Tuesday post on X, the platform formerly known as Twitter.
    Texas Gov. Greg Abbott (R) has been engaged in a months-long feud with the Biden administration over the situation at the border. Abbott has maintained that Biden is not doing enough to address border security, while the Biden administration has said Texas does not have the authority to erect razor wire barriers.



    The Supreme Court ruled 5-4 on Monday to allow U.S. Border Patrol agents to remove the razor wire on the border wall placed by Texas law enforcement. The ruling came as tensions between Texas and the federal government continued to rise in recent weeks.

    Despite the ruling, Abbott has said that the Texas National Guard will continue to install the razor wire along the border in a post on X. Rep. Chip Roy (R-Texas) also urged Texas to ignore the Supreme Court ruling earlier this week.
    “Texas’ razor wire is an effective deterrent against the illegal border crossings encouraged by Biden’s open border policies. We continue to deploy this razor wire to repel illegal immigration,” Abbott said.

    Rep. Greg Casar (D-Texas) criticized Abbott for ordering more razor wire to be installed after the ruling.
    “Greg Abbott’s latest stunt after yesterday’s Supreme Court order is malicious, unconstitutional, & against Texas values. Our country needs Congress to create a safer, humane, & more orderly immigration system — not razor wire to cut innocent people or laws that attack families,” he wrote on X.

    The Texas National Guard and the Texas Department of Public Safety earlier this month installed fences and razor wire in a riverside park in Eagle Pass, Texas, which state law enforcement also prevented Border Patrol officers from accessing.

    If that isn’t contempt of court, I don’t know what is.

    Could Abbott end up in prison himself? That would be quite funny.

    Although Dan Patrick is just as off the wall.
    It’s the age-old issue of states’ rights.

    Now, I’m not yet saying C***l W*r, but one set of armed officers fighting another set of armed officers for control of a border, is not an unusual way of these things starting.

    Also, by means of some background, Biden’s trying to get legislation passed to give citizenship to the illegals.
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/feb/18/new-us-laws-to-give-undocumented-migrants-a-pathway-to-citizenship
    Background or not, when you are ordered to do something by a court and don’t do it, that’s contempt.

    The background becomes irrelevant.

    This is, incidentally, nothing to do with states’ rights. This is Abbott trying to play politics in an election year. I just wonder if he has thought through the consequences for himself.
    The question is, what do the Feds do about it, if the Texas National Guard don’t back down?

    Then Congress exerts their authority to bring the Guard under Federal authority and any Guard member who doesn't feel like obeying the chain of command goes to USDB Leavenworth.
    I suspect Congress, well at least the House, would impeach Biden if he tried anything like that.
    Well given the arguments Trump is using Biden could simply imprison and/or execute any member of Congress that tried to impeach him and suspend elections.

    With the argument Abbott is using Biden can tell SCOTUS to go fuck themselves.

    Putin's catamites in the GOP really don't do long term thinking.
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    Ben Stokes plays a reverse sweep with his fourth ball.

    I have missed Bazball.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,157
    edited January 25
    Sandpit said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Sandpit said:

    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    To be balanced, the other side of the same story….

    https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/4427211-texas-democrat-biden-seize-control-texas-national-guard/

    Rep. Joaquin Castro (D-Texas) is calling on President Biden to take control of the Texas National Guard if the state defies a Supreme Court ruling that allows U.S. Border Patrol officers to take down the border barriers.
    “Governor Greg Abbott is using the Texas National Guard to obstruct and create chaos at the border. If Abbott is defying yesterday’s Supreme Court ruling, @POTUS needs to establish sole federal control of the Texas National Guard now,”

    Castro wrote in a Tuesday post on X, the platform formerly known as Twitter.
    Texas Gov. Greg Abbott (R) has been engaged in a months-long feud with the Biden administration over the situation at the border. Abbott has maintained that Biden is not doing enough to address border security, while the Biden administration has said Texas does not have the authority to erect razor wire barriers.



    The Supreme Court ruled 5-4 on Monday to allow U.S. Border Patrol agents to remove the razor wire on the border wall placed by Texas law enforcement. The ruling came as tensions between Texas and the federal government continued to rise in recent weeks.

    Despite the ruling, Abbott has said that the Texas National Guard will continue to install the razor wire along the border in a post on X. Rep. Chip Roy (R-Texas) also urged Texas to ignore the Supreme Court ruling earlier this week.
    “Texas’ razor wire is an effective deterrent against the illegal border crossings encouraged by Biden’s open border policies. We continue to deploy this razor wire to repel illegal immigration,” Abbott said.

    Rep. Greg Casar (D-Texas) criticized Abbott for ordering more razor wire to be installed after the ruling.
    “Greg Abbott’s latest stunt after yesterday’s Supreme Court order is malicious, unconstitutional, & against Texas values. Our country needs Congress to create a safer, humane, & more orderly immigration system — not razor wire to cut innocent people or laws that attack families,” he wrote on X.

    The Texas National Guard and the Texas Department of Public Safety earlier this month installed fences and razor wire in a riverside park in Eagle Pass, Texas, which state law enforcement also prevented Border Patrol officers from accessing.

    If that isn’t contempt of court, I don’t know what is.

    Could Abbott end up in prison himself? That would be quite funny.

    Although Dan Patrick is just as off the wall.
    It’s the age-old issue of states’ rights.

    Now, I’m not yet saying C***l W*r, but one set of armed officers fighting another set of armed officers for control of a border, is not an unusual way of these things starting.

    Also, by means of some background, Biden’s trying to get legislation passed to give citizenship to the illegals.
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/feb/18/new-us-laws-to-give-undocumented-migrants-a-pathway-to-citizenship
    Background or not, when you are ordered to do something by a court and don’t do it, that’s contempt.

    The background becomes irrelevant.

    This is, incidentally, nothing to do with states’ rights. This is Abbott trying to play politics in an election year. I just wonder if he has thought through the consequences for himself.
    The question is, what do the Feds do about it, if the Texas National Guard don’t back down?

    Then Congress exerts their authority to bring the Guard under Federal authority and any Guard member who doesn't feel like obeying the chain of command goes to USDB Leavenworth.
    I suspect Congress, well at least the House, would impeach Biden if he tried anything like that.
    The House can't even elect a speaker for more than 30 seconds. Do you actually think outside the genuine neo-Nazi nut jobs like Marjorie Taylor Greene (who would vote to legalise sex with camels if Trump asked her to) they would vote to impeach Biden for upholding the Supreme Court's rulings? Again, are you thinking through what precedent that sets on Trump's eligibility?

    Abbott's being stupid. And it's not going to end well for him.
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    Well I've decided to get a Range Rover in August.

    The middle class must accept they can’t afford Range Rovers – they’re only for rich people

    As the financial landscape changes, ‘Chelsea tractors’ are increasingly out of reach


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/consumer-affairs/range-rover-insurance-middle-class-not-afford/?li_source=LI&li_medium=for_you
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    On topic, I had my doubts about this but Pip has convinced me.
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    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    To be balanced, the other side of the same story….

    https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/4427211-texas-democrat-biden-seize-control-texas-national-guard/

    Rep. Joaquin Castro (D-Texas) is calling on President Biden to take control of the Texas National Guard if the state defies a Supreme Court ruling that allows U.S. Border Patrol officers to take down the border barriers.
    “Governor Greg Abbott is using the Texas National Guard to obstruct and create chaos at the border. If Abbott is defying yesterday’s Supreme Court ruling, @POTUS needs to establish sole federal control of the Texas National Guard now,”

    Castro wrote in a Tuesday post on X, the platform formerly known as Twitter.
    Texas Gov. Greg Abbott (R) has been engaged in a months-long feud with the Biden administration over the situation at the border. Abbott has maintained that Biden is not doing enough to address border security, while the Biden administration has said Texas does not have the authority to erect razor wire barriers.



    The Supreme Court ruled 5-4 on Monday to allow U.S. Border Patrol agents to remove the razor wire on the border wall placed by Texas law enforcement. The ruling came as tensions between Texas and the federal government continued to rise in recent weeks.

    Despite the ruling, Abbott has said that the Texas National Guard will continue to install the razor wire along the border in a post on X. Rep. Chip Roy (R-Texas) also urged Texas to ignore the Supreme Court ruling earlier this week.
    “Texas’ razor wire is an effective deterrent against the illegal border crossings encouraged by Biden’s open border policies. We continue to deploy this razor wire to repel illegal immigration,” Abbott said.

    Rep. Greg Casar (D-Texas) criticized Abbott for ordering more razor wire to be installed after the ruling.
    “Greg Abbott’s latest stunt after yesterday’s Supreme Court order is malicious, unconstitutional, & against Texas values. Our country needs Congress to create a safer, humane, & more orderly immigration system — not razor wire to cut innocent people or laws that attack families,” he wrote on X.

    The Texas National Guard and the Texas Department of Public Safety earlier this month installed fences and razor wire in a riverside park in Eagle Pass, Texas, which state law enforcement also prevented Border Patrol officers from accessing.

    If that isn’t contempt of court, I don’t know what is.

    Could Abbott end up in prison himself? That would be quite funny.

    Although Dan Patrick is just as off the wall.
    It’s the age-old issue of states’ rights.

    Now, I’m not yet saying C***l W*r, but one set of armed officers fighting another set of armed officers for control of a border, is not an unusual way of these things starting.

    Also, by means of some background, Biden’s trying to get legislation passed to give citizenship to the illegals.
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/feb/18/new-us-laws-to-give-undocumented-migrants-a-pathway-to-citizenship
    Background or not, when you are ordered to do something by a court and don’t do it, that’s contempt.

    The background becomes irrelevant.

    This is, incidentally, nothing to do with states’ rights. This is Abbott trying to play politics in an election year. I just wonder if he has thought through the consequences for himself.
    The question is, what do the Feds do about it, if the Texas National Guard don’t back down?

    Abbott is wildly popular in Texas, and he’d be re-elected from jail with a landslide.
    He wouldn't be eligible though, would he? Because felons in Texas don't have the vote...and better still, those convicted of 'high crimes' lose it for good.

    Edit - and again, this isn't about the Feds. It's about the Supreme Court. Just at the moment when they're going to rule on Trump's eligibility, are they going to want some twat of a Republican Governor saying 'ignore them if you don't like what they say?' I don't think even Alito's going to be pleased about that, although I say nothing about Thomas.
    Shush.
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,587
    Well if Texas leaves the union in the next few months it improves Biden's prospects of reelection.
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    England = Tories

    India = Labour
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,855
    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Sandpit said:

    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    To be balanced, the other side of the same story….

    https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/4427211-texas-democrat-biden-seize-control-texas-national-guard/

    Rep. Joaquin Castro (D-Texas) is calling on President Biden to take control of the Texas National Guard if the state defies a Supreme Court ruling that allows U.S. Border Patrol officers to take down the border barriers.
    “Governor Greg Abbott is using the Texas National Guard to obstruct and create chaos at the border. If Abbott is defying yesterday’s Supreme Court ruling, @POTUS needs to establish sole federal control of the Texas National Guard now,”

    Castro wrote in a Tuesday post on X, the platform formerly known as Twitter.
    Texas Gov. Greg Abbott (R) has been engaged in a months-long feud with the Biden administration over the situation at the border. Abbott has maintained that Biden is not doing enough to address border security, while the Biden administration has said Texas does not have the authority to erect razor wire barriers.



    The Supreme Court ruled 5-4 on Monday to allow U.S. Border Patrol agents to remove the razor wire on the border wall placed by Texas law enforcement. The ruling came as tensions between Texas and the federal government continued to rise in recent weeks.

    Despite the ruling, Abbott has said that the Texas National Guard will continue to install the razor wire along the border in a post on X. Rep. Chip Roy (R-Texas) also urged Texas to ignore the Supreme Court ruling earlier this week.
    “Texas’ razor wire is an effective deterrent against the illegal border crossings encouraged by Biden’s open border policies. We continue to deploy this razor wire to repel illegal immigration,” Abbott said.

    Rep. Greg Casar (D-Texas) criticized Abbott for ordering more razor wire to be installed after the ruling.
    “Greg Abbott’s latest stunt after yesterday’s Supreme Court order is malicious, unconstitutional, & against Texas values. Our country needs Congress to create a safer, humane, & more orderly immigration system — not razor wire to cut innocent people or laws that attack families,” he wrote on X.

    The Texas National Guard and the Texas Department of Public Safety earlier this month installed fences and razor wire in a riverside park in Eagle Pass, Texas, which state law enforcement also prevented Border Patrol officers from accessing.

    If that isn’t contempt of court, I don’t know what is.

    Could Abbott end up in prison himself? That would be quite funny.

    Although Dan Patrick is just as off the wall.
    It’s the age-old issue of states’ rights.

    Now, I’m not yet saying C***l W*r, but one set of armed officers fighting another set of armed officers for control of a border, is not an unusual way of these things starting.

    Also, by means of some background, Biden’s trying to get legislation passed to give citizenship to the illegals.
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/feb/18/new-us-laws-to-give-undocumented-migrants-a-pathway-to-citizenship
    Background or not, when you are ordered to do something by a court and don’t do it, that’s contempt.

    The background becomes irrelevant.

    This is, incidentally, nothing to do with states’ rights. This is Abbott trying to play politics in an election year. I just wonder if he has thought through the consequences for himself.
    The question is, what do the Feds do about it, if the Texas National Guard don’t back down?

    Then Congress exerts their authority to bring the Guard under Federal authority and any Guard member who doesn't feel like obeying the chain of command goes to USDB Leavenworth.
    I suspect Congress, well at least the House, would impeach Biden if he tried anything like that.
    The House can't even elect a speaker for more than 30 seconds. Do you actually think outside the genuine neo-Nazi nut jobs like Marjorie Taylor Greene (who would vote to legalise sex with camels if Trump asked her to) they would vote to impeach Biden for upholding the Supreme Court's rulings? Again, are you thinking through what precedent that sets on Trump's eligibility?

    Abbott's being stupid. And it's not going to end well for him.
    Sex with camels is illegal?

    Oh…
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,157
    Sandpit said:

    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Sandpit said:

    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    To be balanced, the other side of the same story….

    https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/4427211-texas-democrat-biden-seize-control-texas-national-guard/

    Rep. Joaquin Castro (D-Texas) is calling on President Biden to take control of the Texas National Guard if the state defies a Supreme Court ruling that allows U.S. Border Patrol officers to take down the border barriers.
    “Governor Greg Abbott is using the Texas National Guard to obstruct and create chaos at the border. If Abbott is defying yesterday’s Supreme Court ruling, @POTUS needs to establish sole federal control of the Texas National Guard now,”

    Castro wrote in a Tuesday post on X, the platform formerly known as Twitter.
    Texas Gov. Greg Abbott (R) has been engaged in a months-long feud with the Biden administration over the situation at the border. Abbott has maintained that Biden is not doing enough to address border security, while the Biden administration has said Texas does not have the authority to erect razor wire barriers.



    The Supreme Court ruled 5-4 on Monday to allow U.S. Border Patrol agents to remove the razor wire on the border wall placed by Texas law enforcement. The ruling came as tensions between Texas and the federal government continued to rise in recent weeks.

    Despite the ruling, Abbott has said that the Texas National Guard will continue to install the razor wire along the border in a post on X. Rep. Chip Roy (R-Texas) also urged Texas to ignore the Supreme Court ruling earlier this week.
    “Texas’ razor wire is an effective deterrent against the illegal border crossings encouraged by Biden’s open border policies. We continue to deploy this razor wire to repel illegal immigration,” Abbott said.

    Rep. Greg Casar (D-Texas) criticized Abbott for ordering more razor wire to be installed after the ruling.
    “Greg Abbott’s latest stunt after yesterday’s Supreme Court order is malicious, unconstitutional, & against Texas values. Our country needs Congress to create a safer, humane, & more orderly immigration system — not razor wire to cut innocent people or laws that attack families,” he wrote on X.

    The Texas National Guard and the Texas Department of Public Safety earlier this month installed fences and razor wire in a riverside park in Eagle Pass, Texas, which state law enforcement also prevented Border Patrol officers from accessing.

    If that isn’t contempt of court, I don’t know what is.

    Could Abbott end up in prison himself? That would be quite funny.

    Although Dan Patrick is just as off the wall.
    It’s the age-old issue of states’ rights.

    Now, I’m not yet saying C***l W*r, but one set of armed officers fighting another set of armed officers for control of a border, is not an unusual way of these things starting.

    Also, by means of some background, Biden’s trying to get legislation passed to give citizenship to the illegals.
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/feb/18/new-us-laws-to-give-undocumented-migrants-a-pathway-to-citizenship
    Background or not, when you are ordered to do something by a court and don’t do it, that’s contempt.

    The background becomes irrelevant.

    This is, incidentally, nothing to do with states’ rights. This is Abbott trying to play politics in an election year. I just wonder if he has thought through the consequences for himself.
    The question is, what do the Feds do about it, if the Texas National Guard don’t back down?

    Then Congress exerts their authority to bring the Guard under Federal authority and any Guard member who doesn't feel like obeying the chain of command goes to USDB Leavenworth.
    I suspect Congress, well at least the House, would impeach Biden if he tried anything like that.
    The House can't even elect a speaker for more than 30 seconds. Do you actually think outside the genuine neo-Nazi nut jobs like Marjorie Taylor Greene (who would vote to legalise sex with camels if Trump asked her to) they would vote to impeach Biden for upholding the Supreme Court's rulings? Again, are you thinking through what precedent that sets on Trump's eligibility?

    Abbott's being stupid. And it's not going to end well for him.
    Sex with camels is illegal?

    Oh…
    Depends on how you get your humps.
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    Sandpit said:

    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Sandpit said:

    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    To be balanced, the other side of the same story….

    https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/4427211-texas-democrat-biden-seize-control-texas-national-guard/

    Rep. Joaquin Castro (D-Texas) is calling on President Biden to take control of the Texas National Guard if the state defies a Supreme Court ruling that allows U.S. Border Patrol officers to take down the border barriers.
    “Governor Greg Abbott is using the Texas National Guard to obstruct and create chaos at the border. If Abbott is defying yesterday’s Supreme Court ruling, @POTUS needs to establish sole federal control of the Texas National Guard now,”

    Castro wrote in a Tuesday post on X, the platform formerly known as Twitter.
    Texas Gov. Greg Abbott (R) has been engaged in a months-long feud with the Biden administration over the situation at the border. Abbott has maintained that Biden is not doing enough to address border security, while the Biden administration has said Texas does not have the authority to erect razor wire barriers.



    The Supreme Court ruled 5-4 on Monday to allow U.S. Border Patrol agents to remove the razor wire on the border wall placed by Texas law enforcement. The ruling came as tensions between Texas and the federal government continued to rise in recent weeks.

    Despite the ruling, Abbott has said that the Texas National Guard will continue to install the razor wire along the border in a post on X. Rep. Chip Roy (R-Texas) also urged Texas to ignore the Supreme Court ruling earlier this week.
    “Texas’ razor wire is an effective deterrent against the illegal border crossings encouraged by Biden’s open border policies. We continue to deploy this razor wire to repel illegal immigration,” Abbott said.

    Rep. Greg Casar (D-Texas) criticized Abbott for ordering more razor wire to be installed after the ruling.
    “Greg Abbott’s latest stunt after yesterday’s Supreme Court order is malicious, unconstitutional, & against Texas values. Our country needs Congress to create a safer, humane, & more orderly immigration system — not razor wire to cut innocent people or laws that attack families,” he wrote on X.

    The Texas National Guard and the Texas Department of Public Safety earlier this month installed fences and razor wire in a riverside park in Eagle Pass, Texas, which state law enforcement also prevented Border Patrol officers from accessing.

    If that isn’t contempt of court, I don’t know what is.

    Could Abbott end up in prison himself? That would be quite funny.

    Although Dan Patrick is just as off the wall.
    It’s the age-old issue of states’ rights.

    Now, I’m not yet saying C***l W*r, but one set of armed officers fighting another set of armed officers for control of a border, is not an unusual way of these things starting.

    Also, by means of some background, Biden’s trying to get legislation passed to give citizenship to the illegals.
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/feb/18/new-us-laws-to-give-undocumented-migrants-a-pathway-to-citizenship
    Background or not, when you are ordered to do something by a court and don’t do it, that’s contempt.

    The background becomes irrelevant.

    This is, incidentally, nothing to do with states’ rights. This is Abbott trying to play politics in an election year. I just wonder if he has thought through the consequences for himself.
    The question is, what do the Feds do about it, if the Texas National Guard don’t back down?

    Then Congress exerts their authority to bring the Guard under Federal authority and any Guard member who doesn't feel like obeying the chain of command goes to USDB Leavenworth.
    I suspect Congress, well at least the House, would impeach Biden if he tried anything like that.
    The House can't even elect a speaker for more than 30 seconds. Do you actually think outside the genuine neo-Nazi nut jobs like Marjorie Taylor Greene (who would vote to legalise sex with camels if Trump asked her to) they would vote to impeach Biden for upholding the Supreme Court's rulings? Again, are you thinking through what precedent that sets on Trump's eligibility?

    Abbott's being stupid. And it's not going to end well for him.
    Sex with camels is illegal?

    Oh…
    Does that give you the hump?
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,587

    Well I've decided to get a Range Rover in August.

    The middle class must accept they can’t afford Range Rovers – they’re only for rich people

    As the financial landscape changes, ‘Chelsea tractors’ are increasingly out of reach


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/consumer-affairs/range-rover-insurance-middle-class-not-afford/?li_source=LI&li_medium=for_you

    Loads of the bloody things round here. It isn't exactly a hotbed of Socialism in our street!
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    StockyStocky Posts: 9,715
    Good morning.

    I'm looking forward to @kinabalu 's response to that header.
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,587
    Sandpit said:

    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Sandpit said:

    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    To be balanced, the other side of the same story….

    https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/4427211-texas-democrat-biden-seize-control-texas-national-guard/

    Rep. Joaquin Castro (D-Texas) is calling on President Biden to take control of the Texas National Guard if the state defies a Supreme Court ruling that allows U.S. Border Patrol officers to take down the border barriers.
    “Governor Greg Abbott is using the Texas National Guard to obstruct and create chaos at the border. If Abbott is defying yesterday’s Supreme Court ruling, @POTUS needs to establish sole federal control of the Texas National Guard now,”

    Castro wrote in a Tuesday post on X, the platform formerly known as Twitter.
    Texas Gov. Greg Abbott (R) has been engaged in a months-long feud with the Biden administration over the situation at the border. Abbott has maintained that Biden is not doing enough to address border security, while the Biden administration has said Texas does not have the authority to erect razor wire barriers.



    The Supreme Court ruled 5-4 on Monday to allow U.S. Border Patrol agents to remove the razor wire on the border wall placed by Texas law enforcement. The ruling came as tensions between Texas and the federal government continued to rise in recent weeks.

    Despite the ruling, Abbott has said that the Texas National Guard will continue to install the razor wire along the border in a post on X. Rep. Chip Roy (R-Texas) also urged Texas to ignore the Supreme Court ruling earlier this week.
    “Texas’ razor wire is an effective deterrent against the illegal border crossings encouraged by Biden’s open border policies. We continue to deploy this razor wire to repel illegal immigration,” Abbott said.

    Rep. Greg Casar (D-Texas) criticized Abbott for ordering more razor wire to be installed after the ruling.
    “Greg Abbott’s latest stunt after yesterday’s Supreme Court order is malicious, unconstitutional, & against Texas values. Our country needs Congress to create a safer, humane, & more orderly immigration system — not razor wire to cut innocent people or laws that attack families,” he wrote on X.

    The Texas National Guard and the Texas Department of Public Safety earlier this month installed fences and razor wire in a riverside park in Eagle Pass, Texas, which state law enforcement also prevented Border Patrol officers from accessing.

    If that isn’t contempt of court, I don’t know what is.

    Could Abbott end up in prison himself? That would be quite funny.

    Although Dan Patrick is just as off the wall.
    It’s the age-old issue of states’ rights.

    Now, I’m not yet saying C***l W*r, but one set of armed officers fighting another set of armed officers for control of a border, is not an unusual way of these things starting.

    Also, by means of some background, Biden’s trying to get legislation passed to give citizenship to the illegals.
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/feb/18/new-us-laws-to-give-undocumented-migrants-a-pathway-to-citizenship
    Background or not, when you are ordered to do something by a court and don’t do it, that’s contempt.

    The background becomes irrelevant.

    This is, incidentally, nothing to do with states’ rights. This is Abbott trying to play politics in an election year. I just wonder if he has thought through the consequences for himself.
    The question is, what do the Feds do about it, if the Texas National Guard don’t back down?

    Then Congress exerts their authority to bring the Guard under Federal authority and any Guard member who doesn't feel like obeying the chain of command goes to USDB Leavenworth.
    I suspect Congress, well at least the House, would impeach Biden if he tried anything like that.
    The House can't even elect a speaker for more than 30 seconds. Do you actually think outside the genuine neo-Nazi nut jobs like Marjorie Taylor Greene (who would vote to legalise sex with camels if Trump asked her to) they would vote to impeach Biden for upholding the Supreme Court's rulings? Again, are you thinking through what precedent that sets on Trump's eligibility?

    Abbott's being stupid. And it's not going to end well for him.
    Sex with camels is illegal?

    Oh…
    Didn't Jesus say something about rich men, camels and reaching paradise?

    Perhaps a poor translation of the original text?
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    Well I've decided to get a Range Rover in August.

    The middle class must accept they can’t afford Range Rovers – they’re only for rich people

    As the financial landscape changes, ‘Chelsea tractors’ are increasingly out of reach


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/consumer-affairs/range-rover-insurance-middle-class-not-afford/?li_source=LI&li_medium=for_you

    Loads of the bloody things round here. It isn't exactly a hotbed of Socialism in our street!
    Ugh, not getting one now.
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    LeonLeon Posts: 46,918
    We are about to witness the dissolution of the British Museum, over the next thirty years. Indeed, I wonder if the very concept of a western museum, of global civilisation, is at an end
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    StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 14,383
    Sandpit said:

    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Sandpit said:

    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    To be balanced, the other side of the same story….

    https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/4427211-texas-democrat-biden-seize-control-texas-national-guard/

    Rep. Joaquin Castro (D-Texas) is calling on President Biden to take control of the Texas National Guard if the state defies a Supreme Court ruling that allows U.S. Border Patrol officers to take down the border barriers.
    “Governor Greg Abbott is using the Texas National Guard to obstruct and create chaos at the border. If Abbott is defying yesterday’s Supreme Court ruling, @POTUS needs to establish sole federal control of the Texas National Guard now,”

    Castro wrote in a Tuesday post on X, the platform formerly known as Twitter.
    Texas Gov. Greg Abbott (R) has been engaged in a months-long feud with the Biden administration over the situation at the border. Abbott has maintained that Biden is not doing enough to address border security, while the Biden administration has said Texas does not have the authority to erect razor wire barriers.



    The Supreme Court ruled 5-4 on Monday to allow U.S. Border Patrol agents to remove the razor wire on the border wall placed by Texas law enforcement. The ruling came as tensions between Texas and the federal government continued to rise in recent weeks.

    Despite the ruling, Abbott has said that the Texas National Guard will continue to install the razor wire along the border in a post on X. Rep. Chip Roy (R-Texas) also urged Texas to ignore the Supreme Court ruling earlier this week.
    “Texas’ razor wire is an effective deterrent against the illegal border crossings encouraged by Biden’s open border policies. We continue to deploy this razor wire to repel illegal immigration,” Abbott said.

    Rep. Greg Casar (D-Texas) criticized Abbott for ordering more razor wire to be installed after the ruling.
    “Greg Abbott’s latest stunt after yesterday’s Supreme Court order is malicious, unconstitutional, & against Texas values. Our country needs Congress to create a safer, humane, & more orderly immigration system — not razor wire to cut innocent people or laws that attack families,” he wrote on X.

    The Texas National Guard and the Texas Department of Public Safety earlier this month installed fences and razor wire in a riverside park in Eagle Pass, Texas, which state law enforcement also prevented Border Patrol officers from accessing.

    If that isn’t contempt of court, I don’t know what is.

    Could Abbott end up in prison himself? That would be quite funny.

    Although Dan Patrick is just as off the wall.
    It’s the age-old issue of states’ rights.

    Now, I’m not yet saying C***l W*r, but one set of armed officers fighting another set of armed officers for control of a border, is not an unusual way of these things starting.

    Also, by means of some background, Biden’s trying to get legislation passed to give citizenship to the illegals.
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/feb/18/new-us-laws-to-give-undocumented-migrants-a-pathway-to-citizenship
    Background or not, when you are ordered to do something by a court and don’t do it, that’s contempt.

    The background becomes irrelevant.

    This is, incidentally, nothing to do with states’ rights. This is Abbott trying to play politics in an election year. I just wonder if he has thought through the consequences for himself.
    The question is, what do the Feds do about it, if the Texas National Guard don’t back down?

    Then Congress exerts their authority to bring the Guard under Federal authority and any Guard member who doesn't feel like obeying the chain of command goes to USDB Leavenworth.
    I suspect Congress, well at least the House, would impeach Biden if he tried anything like that.
    The House can't even elect a speaker for more than 30 seconds. Do you actually think outside the genuine neo-Nazi nut jobs like Marjorie Taylor Greene (who would vote to legalise sex with camels if Trump asked her to) they would vote to impeach Biden for upholding the Supreme Court's rulings? Again, are you thinking through what precedent that sets on Trump's eligibility?

    Abbott's being stupid. And it's not going to end well for him.
    Sex with camels is illegal?

    Oh…
    Depends on whether you're also a camel.

    Much like the appropriateness of sex with rhinos giving you the horn.
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    noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 20,664
    Dura_Ace said:

    Sandpit said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Sandpit said:

    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    To be balanced, the other side of the same story….

    https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/4427211-texas-democrat-biden-seize-control-texas-national-guard/

    Rep. Joaquin Castro (D-Texas) is calling on President Biden to take control of the Texas National Guard if the state defies a Supreme Court ruling that allows U.S. Border Patrol officers to take down the border barriers.
    “Governor Greg Abbott is using the Texas National Guard to obstruct and create chaos at the border. If Abbott is defying yesterday’s Supreme Court ruling, @POTUS needs to establish sole federal control of the Texas National Guard now,”

    Castro wrote in a Tuesday post on X, the platform formerly known as Twitter.
    Texas Gov. Greg Abbott (R) has been engaged in a months-long feud with the Biden administration over the situation at the border. Abbott has maintained that Biden is not doing enough to address border security, while the Biden administration has said Texas does not have the authority to erect razor wire barriers.



    The Supreme Court ruled 5-4 on Monday to allow U.S. Border Patrol agents to remove the razor wire on the border wall placed by Texas law enforcement. The ruling came as tensions between Texas and the federal government continued to rise in recent weeks.

    Despite the ruling, Abbott has said that the Texas National Guard will continue to install the razor wire along the border in a post on X. Rep. Chip Roy (R-Texas) also urged Texas to ignore the Supreme Court ruling earlier this week.
    “Texas’ razor wire is an effective deterrent against the illegal border crossings encouraged by Biden’s open border policies. We continue to deploy this razor wire to repel illegal immigration,” Abbott said.

    Rep. Greg Casar (D-Texas) criticized Abbott for ordering more razor wire to be installed after the ruling.
    “Greg Abbott’s latest stunt after yesterday’s Supreme Court order is malicious, unconstitutional, & against Texas values. Our country needs Congress to create a safer, humane, & more orderly immigration system — not razor wire to cut innocent people or laws that attack families,” he wrote on X.

    The Texas National Guard and the Texas Department of Public Safety earlier this month installed fences and razor wire in a riverside park in Eagle Pass, Texas, which state law enforcement also prevented Border Patrol officers from accessing.

    If that isn’t contempt of court, I don’t know what is.

    Could Abbott end up in prison himself? That would be quite funny.

    Although Dan Patrick is just as off the wall.
    It’s the age-old issue of states’ rights.

    Now, I’m not yet saying C***l W*r, but one set of armed officers fighting another set of armed officers for control of a border, is not an unusual way of these things starting.

    Also, by means of some background, Biden’s trying to get legislation passed to give citizenship to the illegals.
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/feb/18/new-us-laws-to-give-undocumented-migrants-a-pathway-to-citizenship
    Background or not, when you are ordered to do something by a court and don’t do it, that’s contempt.

    The background becomes irrelevant.

    This is, incidentally, nothing to do with states’ rights. This is Abbott trying to play politics in an election year. I just wonder if he has thought through the consequences for himself.
    The question is, what do the Feds do about it, if the Texas National Guard don’t back down?

    Then Congress exerts their authority to bring the Guard under Federal authority and any Guard member who doesn't feel like obeying the chain of command goes to USDB Leavenworth.
    I suspect Congress, well at least the House, would impeach Biden if he tried anything like that.
    On what grounds? Congress absolutely has the power to Federalize Guard units and the President can legally call them to Active Duty which has the same effect.

    They aren't Abbott's private militia.
    Surely being President, whilst Democrat, is an impeachable offence?
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    Sandpit said:

    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Sandpit said:

    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    To be balanced, the other side of the same story….

    https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/4427211-texas-democrat-biden-seize-control-texas-national-guard/

    Rep. Joaquin Castro (D-Texas) is calling on President Biden to take control of the Texas National Guard if the state defies a Supreme Court ruling that allows U.S. Border Patrol officers to take down the border barriers.
    “Governor Greg Abbott is using the Texas National Guard to obstruct and create chaos at the border. If Abbott is defying yesterday’s Supreme Court ruling, @POTUS needs to establish sole federal control of the Texas National Guard now,”

    Castro wrote in a Tuesday post on X, the platform formerly known as Twitter.
    Texas Gov. Greg Abbott (R) has been engaged in a months-long feud with the Biden administration over the situation at the border. Abbott has maintained that Biden is not doing enough to address border security, while the Biden administration has said Texas does not have the authority to erect razor wire barriers.



    The Supreme Court ruled 5-4 on Monday to allow U.S. Border Patrol agents to remove the razor wire on the border wall placed by Texas law enforcement. The ruling came as tensions between Texas and the federal government continued to rise in recent weeks.

    Despite the ruling, Abbott has said that the Texas National Guard will continue to install the razor wire along the border in a post on X. Rep. Chip Roy (R-Texas) also urged Texas to ignore the Supreme Court ruling earlier this week.
    “Texas’ razor wire is an effective deterrent against the illegal border crossings encouraged by Biden’s open border policies. We continue to deploy this razor wire to repel illegal immigration,” Abbott said.

    Rep. Greg Casar (D-Texas) criticized Abbott for ordering more razor wire to be installed after the ruling.
    “Greg Abbott’s latest stunt after yesterday’s Supreme Court order is malicious, unconstitutional, & against Texas values. Our country needs Congress to create a safer, humane, & more orderly immigration system — not razor wire to cut innocent people or laws that attack families,” he wrote on X.

    The Texas National Guard and the Texas Department of Public Safety earlier this month installed fences and razor wire in a riverside park in Eagle Pass, Texas, which state law enforcement also prevented Border Patrol officers from accessing.

    If that isn’t contempt of court, I don’t know what is.

    Could Abbott end up in prison himself? That would be quite funny.

    Although Dan Patrick is just as off the wall.
    It’s the age-old issue of states’ rights.

    Now, I’m not yet saying C***l W*r, but one set of armed officers fighting another set of armed officers for control of a border, is not an unusual way of these things starting.

    Also, by means of some background, Biden’s trying to get legislation passed to give citizenship to the illegals.
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/feb/18/new-us-laws-to-give-undocumented-migrants-a-pathway-to-citizenship
    Background or not, when you are ordered to do something by a court and don’t do it, that’s contempt.

    The background becomes irrelevant.

    This is, incidentally, nothing to do with states’ rights. This is Abbott trying to play politics in an election year. I just wonder if he has thought through the consequences for himself.
    The question is, what do the Feds do about it, if the Texas National Guard don’t back down?

    Then Congress exerts their authority to bring the Guard under Federal authority and any Guard member who doesn't feel like obeying the chain of command goes to USDB Leavenworth.
    I suspect Congress, well at least the House, would impeach Biden if he tried anything like that.
    The House can't even elect a speaker for more than 30 seconds. Do you actually think outside the genuine neo-Nazi nut jobs like Marjorie Taylor Greene (who would vote to legalise sex with camels if Trump asked her to) they would vote to impeach Biden for upholding the Supreme Court's rulings? Again, are you thinking through what precedent that sets on Trump's eligibility?

    Abbott's being stupid. And it's not going to end well for him.
    Sex with camels is illegal?

    Oh…
    Didn't Jesus say something about rich men, camels and reaching paradise?

    Perhaps a poor translation of the original text?
    I find the Islamic version even more troubling.

    "Indeed, those who deny Our verses and are arrogant toward them – the gates of Heaven will not be opened for them, nor will they enter Paradise until a camel enters into the eye of a needle. And thus do We recompense the criminals."
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,315
    edited January 25
    With apologies to Richard Rich.

    But for Northern Ireland, Rishi?

    Rishi Sunak offers to sacrifice Brexit freedoms to re-establish government in Northern Ireland

    Prime Minister hopes move to prevent extra trade barriers in the Irish Sea will persuade DUP to end its boycott of Stormont


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/01/24/rishi-sunak-sacrifice-brexit-freedoms-northern-ireland/
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,855
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    OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,079

    Well I've decided to get a Range Rover in August.

    The middle class must accept they can’t afford Range Rovers – they’re only for rich people

    As the financial landscape changes, ‘Chelsea tractors’ are increasingly out of reach


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/consumer-affairs/range-rover-insurance-middle-class-not-afford/?li_source=LI&li_medium=for_you

    I've never understood why people buy Range Rovers. Buying a t shirt with "I am a c***" written on it would achieve the same effect at a fraction of the price.
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    kamskikamski Posts: 4,231
    Leon said:

    We are about to witness the dissolution of the British Museum, over the next thirty years. Indeed, I wonder if the very concept of a western museum, of global civilisation, is at an end

    'I don't think so, we're still looking at it'
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    Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 32,868

    I've never understood why people buy Range Rovers.

    Because they are brilliant
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    LeonLeon Posts: 46,918
    edited January 25
    The audio/conversational interface with GPT4 is getting really good. The delay is shorter, the responses more intuitive, it's vastly superior to Siri, Alexa, Google Home

    If GPT5 is "a lot better" than this, and if they can sonewhat un-nerf it, then we are on the cusp of a proper AI friend
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,855
    edited January 25
    Scott_xP said:

    I've never understood why people buy Range Rovers.

    Because they are brilliant
    …ly unreliable.

    They’re such a status symbol, because you need to buy two of them to be sure one is serviceable at any given time.
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    Well I've decided to get a Range Rover in August.

    The middle class must accept they can’t afford Range Rovers – they’re only for rich people

    As the financial landscape changes, ‘Chelsea tractors’ are increasingly out of reach


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/consumer-affairs/range-rover-insurance-middle-class-not-afford/?li_source=LI&li_medium=for_you

    I've never understood why people buy Range Rovers. Buying a t shirt with "I am a c***" written on it would achieve the same effect at a fraction of the price.
    I prefer my German vehicles.
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    noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 20,664
    edited January 25
    Sandpit said:
    Not the first minister angry and swearing. Shocking stuff, I am sure the staff on the paper championing Johnson and Cummings will be shocked and offended by such behaviour.
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    TazTaz Posts: 11,097

    Well I've decided to get a Range Rover in August.

    The middle class must accept they can’t afford Range Rovers – they’re only for rich people

    As the financial landscape changes, ‘Chelsea tractors’ are increasingly out of reach


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/consumer-affairs/range-rover-insurance-middle-class-not-afford/?li_source=LI&li_medium=for_you

    I'm sure they are far better engineered than when I worked there.

    It was all about cost, cost, cost, get parts as cheap as possible. If that meant changing designs to accomodate so be it. The KPI was price reductions. As long as they hit that great.
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    LeonLeon Posts: 46,918
    Foxy said:
    What an UTTER load of bollocks

    One site, from 6500 years ago, with 24 skeletons in a fairly unique location - up in the Andes - does not prove "Early human hunter-gatherers ate mostly plants and vegetables"

    How can a self respecting science journalist write this drivel? Is it Woke nonsense, or is she just stupid?

    There could be any number of reasons why this one unusual site produces 24 skeletons of people who liked carrots. I mean, they are half way up a fucking mountain, maybe there wasn't that much meat. So they ate leaves

    Have they considered that?

    Absolutely laughable
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,233
    Interesting thread, but not a bet I will make. I both expect and hope (the combination, of course, always being dangerous for betting) that Trump’s popularity will fade as the election approaches, hence the suggested trading opportunity won’t be there.
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    TazTaz Posts: 11,097

    Well I've decided to get a Range Rover in August.

    The middle class must accept they can’t afford Range Rovers – they’re only for rich people

    As the financial landscape changes, ‘Chelsea tractors’ are increasingly out of reach


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/consumer-affairs/range-rover-insurance-middle-class-not-afford/?li_source=LI&li_medium=for_you

    I've never understood why people buy Range Rovers. Buying a t shirt with "I am a c***" written on it would achieve the same effect at a fraction of the price.
    Or they could get a cargo bike, it would have the same effect as the T Shirt.
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    LeonLeon Posts: 46,918
    Foxy said:
    I particularly like this bit

    "The analysis also indicated that large mammals, such as deer or llamas, made up most of the meat in the diet, rather than smaller mammals such as birds or fish."

    Who could have guessed that primitive pre-farming people living ten thousand fucking feet up a bloody mountain, "didn't eat a lot of fish"
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    OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 31,938
    IanB2 said:

    Interesting thread, but not a bet I will make. I both expect and hope (the combination, of course, always being dangerous for betting) that Trump’s popularity will fade as the election approaches, hence the suggested trading opportunity won’t be there.

    That’s what I like about this site! Most contributors make a difference between their expectations and their hopes.
    And good morning one and all
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,411
    Sandpit said:

    FPT, but on-topic for this one. Want to know why people are voting for Trump?

    Florida joins confederacy 2.0:

    https://x.com/govrondesantis/status/1750292966067851637

    If the Constitution really made states powerless to defend themselves against an invasion, it wouldn’t have been ratified in the first place and Texas would have never joined the union when it did.

    TX is upholding the law while Biden is flouting it.

    FL will keep assisting Texas with personnel and assets.

    Abbott has been getting support from quite a few state governors in the past few hours.

    Dare I say it, but @Leon was right about immigration being the issue top of the table.

    Abbott’s statement is, umm, aggressive in his assertion of his right to defend the border.

    ”The federal government has broken the compact between the United States and the States. The Executive Branch of the United States has a constitutional duty to enforce federal laws protecting States, including immigration laws on the books right now. President Biden has refused to enforce those laws and has even violated them. The result is that he has smashed records for illegal immigration.

    “Despite having been put on notice in a series of letters—one of which I delivered to him by hand—President Biden has ignored Texas’s demand that he perform his constitutional duties.

    “President Biden has violated his oath to faithfully execute immigration laws enacted by Congress. Instead of prosecuting immigrants for the federal crime of illegal entry, President Biden has sent his lawyers into federal courts to sue Texas for taking action to secure the border.

    “President Biden has instructed his agencies to ignore federal statutes that mandate the detention of illegal immigrants. The effect is to illegally allow their en masse parole into the United States.

    “By wasting taxpayer dollars to tear open Texas’s border security infrastructure, President Biden has enticed illegal immigrants away from the 28 legal entry points along this State’s southern border— bridges where nobody drowns—and into the dangerous waters of the Rio Grande.

    “Under President Biden’s lawless border policies, more than 6 million illegal immigrants have crossed our southern border in just 3 years. That is more than the population of 33 different States in this country. This illegal refusal to protect the States has inflicted unprecedented harm on the People all across the United States.


    https://thepostmillennial.com/just-in-greg-abbott-declares-invasion-over-border-crisis-invokes-right-to-self-defense
    Of course Trump doesn't want Biden to get a deal on the border.

    It had just been leaked to the press that Johnson and Sen. Lankford reached an agreement on the border deal. About 36 hours later Johnson does this interview. Pay attention to how both of them mentioned getting frantic calls from Trump demanding Johnson tank the deal.
    https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1750303515216384160
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,233
    Leon said:

    We are about to witness the dissolution of the British Museum, over the next thirty years. Indeed, I wonder if the very concept of a western museum, of global civilisation, is at an end

    You’re going to get wet, out there with your placard today.

    Or at least you would, were you here.
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    CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 39,609
    edited January 25
    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    We are about to witness the dissolution of the British Museum, over the next thirty years. Indeed, I wonder if the very concept of a western museum, of global civilisation, is at an end

    You’re going to get wet, out there with your placard today.

    Or at least you would, were you here.
    Seems to be doing well enough for English* stuff, mind.

    https://www.theguardian.com/science/2024/jan/23/british-museum-reveals-bumper-haul-of-treasures-found-by-the-public

    *Scottish and Irish stuff goes elsewhere under ancient laws, long preceding devolution or even the Tory Party. Not sure about Wales, but I assume the same.
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    LeonLeon Posts: 46,918
    edited January 25
    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    We are about to witness the dissolution of the British Museum, over the next thirty years. Indeed, I wonder if the very concept of a western museum, of global civilisation, is at an end

    You’re going to get wet, out there with your placard today.

    Or at least you would, were you here.
    Happily, I am sitting in my swanky new 4 star serviced apartment, with gleaming pool, gym, and sauna, feeling the soft douce breeze of the Kampuchean afternoon, contemplating a cocktail in a couple of tropical hours

    The place costs £25 a night. Insane



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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,146
    FWIW I disagree with this thread. I expect Biden to win the popular vote handily.

    Unemployment in the US is at a 50 year low. Biden’s administration has created 14m jobs including 1m manufacturing jobs as he promised. Real wages, which have been flat, are now rising strongly. For the first time in decades US growth is matching or even exceeding China.

    It is a terrific record and his low polling numbers are a reflection of the bias in the right wing media calling everything awful. As the population focuses on this I expect Biden’s numbers to improve sharply and some of the Trump court cases to damage his.

    Not only do I see this as a poor bet, if I am right trading opportunities are likely to be poor because the Republican vote is not likely to be as good as it is now again.
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,411
    Leon said:

    Foxy said:
    What an UTTER load of bollocks

    One site, from 6500 years ago, with 24 skeletons in a fairly unique location - up in the Andes - does not prove "Early human hunter-gatherers ate mostly plants and vegetables"

    How can a self respecting science journalist write this drivel? Is it Woke nonsense, or is she just stupid?

    There could be any number of reasons why this one unusual site produces 24 skeletons of people who liked carrots. I mean, they are half way up a fucking mountain, maybe there wasn't that much meat. So they ate leaves

    Have they considered that?

    Absolutely laughable
    Two sites, actually.
    And they merely say 'it suggests', not 'proves'.

    As they point out, firm evidence for the actual balance of human diet going back that far is scant.

    One thing it does show pretty conclusively is the power of the headline over the rest of the text.
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    CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 39,609
    edited January 25
    Leon said:

    Foxy said:
    I particularly like this bit

    "The analysis also indicated that large mammals, such as deer or llamas, made up most of the meat in the diet, rather than smaller mammals such as birds or fish."

    Who could have guessed that primitive pre-farming people living ten thousand fucking feet up a bloody mountain, "didn't eat a lot of fish"
    Montane streams can have a lot of fish in them. Salmon and trout, Arctic char, and so on.
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,553
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,167
    Leon said:

    Foxy said:
    I particularly like this bit

    "The analysis also indicated that large mammals, such as deer or llamas, made up most of the meat in the diet, rather than smaller mammals such as birds or fish."

    Who could have guessed that primitive pre-farming people living ten thousand fucking feet up a bloody mountain, "didn't eat a lot of fish"
    "smaller mammals such as birds"????

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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,167
    The worst case scenario would be a replay of the 1993 Canadian general election, when the ruling Progressive Conservatives were wiped out, holding just two seats on 16 per cent, thanks to the emergence of a new Right-wing party appropriately called Reform, which grabbed 18 per cent and 52 seats. The parallels with the present situation are uncanny: the Progressive Tories had triumphed in the previous election with 43 per cent of the vote, exactly Boris Johnson’s share.



    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/01/24/tory-party-surrender-paving-way-british-trump/
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,411
    Leon said:

    We are about to witness the dissolution of the British Museum, over the next thirty years. Indeed, I wonder if the very concept of a western museum, of global civilisation, is at an end

    Have you been fasting too long ?
    You're experiencing some strange visions.
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    LeonLeon Posts: 46,918
    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:
    What an UTTER load of bollocks

    One site, from 6500 years ago, with 24 skeletons in a fairly unique location - up in the Andes - does not prove "Early human hunter-gatherers ate mostly plants and vegetables"

    How can a self respecting science journalist write this drivel? Is it Woke nonsense, or is she just stupid?

    There could be any number of reasons why this one unusual site produces 24 skeletons of people who liked carrots. I mean, they are half way up a fucking mountain, maybe there wasn't that much meat. So they ate leaves

    Have they considered that?

    Absolutely laughable
    Two sites, actually.
    And they merely say 'it suggests', not 'proves'.

    As they point out, firm evidence for the actual balance of human diet going back that far is scant.

    One thing it does show pretty conclusively is the power of the headline over the rest of the text.
    The headline is outrageously stupid, but the stupidity continues into the opening paragraph, for which the journalist, not the subeditor, is responsible

    "Early human hunter-gatherers ate mostly plants and vegetables, according to archeological findings that undermine the commonly held view that our ancestors lived on a high protein, meat-heavy diet."

    It is categorical. It's also comical
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    CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 39,609

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:
    I particularly like this bit

    "The analysis also indicated that large mammals, such as deer or llamas, made up most of the meat in the diet, rather than smaller mammals such as birds or fish."

    Who could have guessed that primitive pre-farming people living ten thousand fucking feet up a bloody mountain, "didn't eat a lot of fish"
    "smaller mammals such as birds"????

    Well, ChatGPT isn't too up to scratch on vertebrate phylogenetics. As mammals are fish I expect it assumed it worked the other way round, and threw birds in as well for extra texture.
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    LeonLeon Posts: 46,918

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:
    I particularly like this bit

    "The analysis also indicated that large mammals, such as deer or llamas, made up most of the meat in the diet, rather than smaller mammals such as birds or fish."

    Who could have guessed that primitive pre-farming people living ten thousand fucking feet up a bloody mountain, "didn't eat a lot of fish"
    "smaller mammals such as birds"????

    hahah

    I completely missed that, it is so egregious. Jesus, sack that journalist
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    CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 39,609
    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:
    What an UTTER load of bollocks

    One site, from 6500 years ago, with 24 skeletons in a fairly unique location - up in the Andes - does not prove "Early human hunter-gatherers ate mostly plants and vegetables"

    How can a self respecting science journalist write this drivel? Is it Woke nonsense, or is she just stupid?

    There could be any number of reasons why this one unusual site produces 24 skeletons of people who liked carrots. I mean, they are half way up a fucking mountain, maybe there wasn't that much meat. So they ate leaves

    Have they considered that?

    Absolutely laughable
    Two sites, actually.
    And they merely say 'it suggests', not 'proves'.

    As they point out, firm evidence for the actual balance of human diet going back that far is scant.

    One thing it does show pretty conclusively is the power of the headline over the rest of the text.
    The headline is outrageously stupid, but the stupidity continues into the opening paragraph, for which the journalist, not the subeditor, is responsible

    "Early human hunter-gatherers ate mostly plants and vegetables, according to archeological findings that undermine the commonly held view that our ancestors lived on a high protein, meat-heavy diet."

    It is categorical. It's also comical
    No 'some', sure. Butd no 'all'. Subbie hiccup, quite possibly. NB that 'undermine' is used, not 'disprove'.
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    OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 31,938
    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:
    What an UTTER load of bollocks

    One site, from 6500 years ago, with 24 skeletons in a fairly unique location - up in the Andes - does not prove "Early human hunter-gatherers ate mostly plants and vegetables"

    How can a self respecting science journalist write this drivel? Is it Woke nonsense, or is she just stupid?

    There could be any number of reasons why this one unusual site produces 24 skeletons of people who liked carrots. I mean, they are half way up a fucking mountain, maybe there wasn't that much meat. So they ate leaves

    Have they considered that?

    Absolutely laughable
    Two sites, actually.
    And they merely say 'it suggests', not 'proves'.

    As they point out, firm evidence for the actual balance of human diet going back that far is scant.

    One thing it does show pretty conclusively is the power of the headline over the rest of the text.
    What it does suggest, surely, is that human beings are pretty adaptable. they will find food wherever they are.
    I’m not sure how long people have lived in the Arctic, but if you found graves from 10,000 years ago, you might well find that they were meat eaters!
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    CiceroCicero Posts: 2,201
    edited January 25
    Leon said:

    We are about to witness the dissolution of the British Museum, over the next thirty years. Indeed, I wonder if the very concept of a western museum, of global civilisation, is at an end

    Our daily dose of Chicken Licken optimism where every change means destruction.

    Fortunately Civilisation is not usually found in the hands of the reactionaries

    Still less in the hands of middle aged hacks on their fifth Martini in a South East Asian bar.

    The British Museum has been transformed over the last thirty years and now draws in over 6 million visits a year. I have little doubt that it will continue to change to reflect new knowledge and new ideas.

    That is a good thing.
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    StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 14,383

    The worst case scenario would be a replay of the 1993 Canadian general election, when the ruling Progressive Conservatives were wiped out, holding just two seats on 16 per cent, thanks to the emergence of a new Right-wing party appropriately called Reform, which grabbed 18 per cent and 52 seats. The parallels with the present situation are uncanny: the Progressive Tories had triumphed in the previous election with 43 per cent of the vote, exactly Boris Johnson’s share.



    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/01/24/tory-party-surrender-paving-way-british-trump/

    Key difference is that RefCan was regionally focused, so like our SNP they could pick up lots of seats on a smallish national share.

    RefUK is too diffuse to do that- maybe a handful from Kent to Lincolnshire?

    If RefUK and ConUK both end up in high teens/low twenties, they both get destroyed in terms of Westminster seats.
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    OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 31,938

    The worst case scenario would be a replay of the 1993 Canadian general election, when the ruling Progressive Conservatives were wiped out, holding just two seats on 16 per cent, thanks to the emergence of a new Right-wing party appropriately called Reform, which grabbed 18 per cent and 52 seats. The parallels with the present situation are uncanny: the Progressive Tories had triumphed in the previous election with 43 per cent of the vote, exactly Boris Johnson’s share.



    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/01/24/tory-party-surrender-paving-way-british-trump/

    Our friend HYUFD has been banging that drum, off and on, for a while.
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    CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 39,609

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:
    What an UTTER load of bollocks

    One site, from 6500 years ago, with 24 skeletons in a fairly unique location - up in the Andes - does not prove "Early human hunter-gatherers ate mostly plants and vegetables"

    How can a self respecting science journalist write this drivel? Is it Woke nonsense, or is she just stupid?

    There could be any number of reasons why this one unusual site produces 24 skeletons of people who liked carrots. I mean, they are half way up a fucking mountain, maybe there wasn't that much meat. So they ate leaves

    Have they considered that?

    Absolutely laughable
    Two sites, actually.
    And they merely say 'it suggests', not 'proves'.

    As they point out, firm evidence for the actual balance of human diet going back that far is scant.

    One thing it does show pretty conclusively is the power of the headline over the rest of the text.
    What it does suggest, surely, is that human beings are pretty adaptable. they will find food wherever they are.
    I’m not sure how long people have lived in the Arctic, but if you found graves from 10,000 years ago, you might well find that they were meat eaters!
    Indeed, but "Live like an Inuit of old in a snow house without fitted plumbing" isn't a great advertising slogan for the Meat Marketing Board or those of us who can't quite cotton on to the idea that eating 5 meat meals a day might, erm, erase the entire Inuit way of life!
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,411
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:
    I particularly like this bit

    "The analysis also indicated that large mammals, such as deer or llamas, made up most of the meat in the diet, rather than smaller mammals such as birds or fish."

    Who could have guessed that primitive pre-farming people living ten thousand fucking feet up a bloody mountain, "didn't eat a lot of fish"
    "smaller mammals such as birds"????

    hahah

    I completely missed that, it is so egregious. Jesus, sack that journalist
    Actually worse than that.
    "smaller mammals such as birds or fish..."

    Pretty sure that wasn't the archeologist. I'm embarrassed to say I missed it too when I skimmed the piece.
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    OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,079

    Well I've decided to get a Range Rover in August.

    The middle class must accept they can’t afford Range Rovers – they’re only for rich people

    As the financial landscape changes, ‘Chelsea tractors’ are increasingly out of reach


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/consumer-affairs/range-rover-insurance-middle-class-not-afford/?li_source=LI&li_medium=for_you

    I've never understood why people buy Range Rovers. Buying a t shirt with "I am a c***" written on it would achieve the same effect at a fraction of the price.
    I prefer my German vehicles.
    Have you found the indicator yet?
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    Leon said:


    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    We are about to witness the dissolution of the British Museum, over the next thirty years. Indeed, I wonder if the very concept of a western museum, of global civilisation, is at an end

    You’re going to get wet, out there with your placard today.

    Or at least you would, were you here.
    Happily, I am sitting in my swanky new 4 star serviced apartment, with gleaming pool, gym, and sauna, feeling the soft douce breeze of the Kampuchean afternoon, contemplating a cocktail in a couple of tropical hours

    The place costs £25 a night. Insane



    I honestly don't know how you can live like that, away from family and friends, in yet another sterile hotel room, in yet another strange city. Your life of travelling obviously suits you, but it would make me really miserable. People are very different.
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    LeonLeon Posts: 46,918
    What I can't work out is how come those hunter gatherers didn't eat larger reptiles, such as potatoes or maybe pebbles, also they must have had access to game birds, such as the lion
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    DavidL said:

    FWIW I disagree with this thread. I expect Biden to win the popular vote handily.

    Unemployment in the US is at a 50 year low. Biden’s administration has created 14m jobs including 1m manufacturing jobs as he promised. Real wages, which have been flat, are now rising strongly. For the first time in decades US growth is matching or even exceeding China.

    It is a terrific record and his low polling numbers are a reflection of the bias in the right wing media calling everything awful. As the population focuses on this I expect Biden’s numbers to improve sharply and some of the Trump court cases to damage his.

    Not only do I see this as a poor bet, if I am right trading opportunities are likely to be poor because the Republican vote is not likely to be as good as it is now again.

    Totally disagree (although I guess that is to be expected) and I think @Quincel has written a very good post and raises what could be an interesting opportunity.

    I'll tackle some of your broader points first though. If the US is matching China's growth rate, it is because China is having a mare of a 2023 and looks like 2024, and its rate is falling, not that the US has turbocharged growth. The jobs Biden 'created' are really a bounceback from the pandemic and of the measures both Administrations took. As for the 'right-wing' media, could you list out the publications please? I get Fox, the NY Post and the WSJ and Mail Online. Against that, you have the NYT, WP, LAT, Chicago Tribune etc, plus most of the other major networks who have, to put it charitably, a centre-left bias. The mass of the media is not right-wing.

    But never mind that. Here is what could make the bet interesting. Quincel raises the very good point re 2022 pointing to the polls being wrong. That could play against the bet.

    But one thing increasingly clear is that the Democrats have become the beneficiaries of lower turnout in the mid-terms rather than the Republicans - which historically has been the case - as graduates and suburbanites become more of their base. Yet even in that election, on the House popular vote, the Republicans won by 2-3 points. True, some seats were uncontested but, in 2024 with more low-propensity voters, you would expect the Republicans to benefit.

    There is also the fact that there are anecdotal signs Republicans are also gaining in heavily Democrat areas. Hochul only defeated Zeldin by 5+ points in the NY Governorship race and Murphy only won the NJ vote by 2. No-one imagines the situation has got better for the Democrats in those states. CA will never go Republican but, for the purposes of this bet, the Republicans only have to make modest voting inroads, which it looks like they are.

    So, actually, Quincel has identified an opportunity.
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    OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 31,938
    Carnyx said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:
    What an UTTER load of bollocks

    One site, from 6500 years ago, with 24 skeletons in a fairly unique location - up in the Andes - does not prove "Early human hunter-gatherers ate mostly plants and vegetables"

    How can a self respecting science journalist write this drivel? Is it Woke nonsense, or is she just stupid?

    There could be any number of reasons why this one unusual site produces 24 skeletons of people who liked carrots. I mean, they are half way up a fucking mountain, maybe there wasn't that much meat. So they ate leaves

    Have they considered that?

    Absolutely laughable
    Two sites, actually.
    And they merely say 'it suggests', not 'proves'.

    As they point out, firm evidence for the actual balance of human diet going back that far is scant.

    One thing it does show pretty conclusively is the power of the headline over the rest of the text.
    What it does suggest, surely, is that human beings are pretty adaptable. they will find food wherever they are.
    I’m not sure how long people have lived in the Arctic, but if you found graves from 10,000 years ago, you might well find that they were meat eaters!
    Indeed, but "Live like an Inuit of old in a snow house without fitted plumbing" isn't a great advertising slogan for the Meat Marketing Board or those of us who can't quite cotton on to the idea that eating 5 meat meals a day might, erm, erase the entire Inuit way of life!
    I must say that I have sometimes wondered why the Inuit chose the way of life they did!
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,411
    Those complaining (quite fairly) about Labour not saying much about what it will do in government should be saying the same about the current government.

    Despite possessing the vastly greater resources of government to plan, and being the actual government, it has published no departmental spending plans beyond the current year.

    Labour and Tories need to be honest about economic trade-offs, says IFS
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/jan/25/labour-and-tories-need-to-be-honest-about-economic-trade-offs-says-ifs
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    CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 39,609
    edited January 25

    Carnyx said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:
    What an UTTER load of bollocks

    One site, from 6500 years ago, with 24 skeletons in a fairly unique location - up in the Andes - does not prove "Early human hunter-gatherers ate mostly plants and vegetables"

    How can a self respecting science journalist write this drivel? Is it Woke nonsense, or is she just stupid?

    There could be any number of reasons why this one unusual site produces 24 skeletons of people who liked carrots. I mean, they are half way up a fucking mountain, maybe there wasn't that much meat. So they ate leaves

    Have they considered that?

    Absolutely laughable
    Two sites, actually.
    And they merely say 'it suggests', not 'proves'.

    As they point out, firm evidence for the actual balance of human diet going back that far is scant.

    One thing it does show pretty conclusively is the power of the headline over the rest of the text.
    What it does suggest, surely, is that human beings are pretty adaptable. they will find food wherever they are.
    I’m not sure how long people have lived in the Arctic, but if you found graves from 10,000 years ago, you might well find that they were meat eaters!
    Indeed, but "Live like an Inuit of old in a snow house without fitted plumbing" isn't a great advertising slogan for the Meat Marketing Board or those of us who can't quite cotton on to the idea that eating 5 meat meals a day might, erm, erase the entire Inuit way of life!
    I must say that I have sometimes wondered why the Inuit chose the way of life they did!
    Maybe more the other way round, given that they're the ones who discovered the precise quirks needed to cope with the lack of vitamin C (etc) from other sources. I suppose it was all random, really, and worked out by a form of selection - the septs and tribes who cooked all their dinner or whatever didn't work didn't survive ...
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    LeonLeon Posts: 46,918

    Leon said:


    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    We are about to witness the dissolution of the British Museum, over the next thirty years. Indeed, I wonder if the very concept of a western museum, of global civilisation, is at an end

    You’re going to get wet, out there with your placard today.

    Or at least you would, were you here.
    Happily, I am sitting in my swanky new 4 star serviced apartment, with gleaming pool, gym, and sauna, feeling the soft douce breeze of the Kampuchean afternoon, contemplating a cocktail in a couple of tropical hours

    The place costs £25 a night. Insane



    I honestly don't know how you can live like that, away from family and friends, in yet another sterile hotel room, in yet another strange city. Your life of travelling obviously suits you, but it would make me really miserable. People are very different.
    Well, in all honesty it CAN be tough, or tough-ish, it can be lonely and isolating, at times, but then so can life in wintry England PLUS I get severely depressed by grey cold dark weather

    Tomorrow I'm off to Bangkok for the weekend to hang out with friends, so it's all good at the moment

    As for the spartan quality, that is exactly what I want. I'm a veteran at this flint-knapping game, and I've learned that my ideal working environment is a simple clean room, with no major distractions inside, but a balcony with a nice view when I want time out. Also I need the room cleaned and my laundry done and food devliered so I can absolutely focus on the work

    It is not a holiday. I think of it as an extraordinarily pleasant open prison sentence, with a job to be done during my time inside
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    logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,706
    Fishing said:

    Excellent thread with which I agree and have very little to add.

    One other obvious issue is how a candidate in jail will change the race, and another is the possibility of the Supreme Court kicking him off the ballot. Both far from certain, but who knows?

    Well Haley lost New Hampshire, which was her best chance at winning a state but she's staying in the contest. Maybe that's what she's counting on.
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 38,922
    Off-topic:

    If you have kids, they've probably had one or more toys made by the Japanese company Tomy.

    Well, here's a picture taken from Tomy's lunar rover:
    https://twitter.com/tobyliiiiiiiiii/status/1750397416854196734

    This is so awesome.
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,411
    Leon said:

    What I can't work out is how come those hunter gatherers didn't eat larger reptiles, such as potatoes or maybe pebbles, also they must have had access to game birds, such as the lion

    Of course if you take the trouble to read the paper itself, you'll see the finding is purely in respect of the diet of high Andes populations.

    So in that respect, it's quite correct to say that it's updated current understanding.

    https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0296420
    ..Current understanding of the earliest subsistence economies of the Andean highlands suggest that meat was the major subsistence resource. Early Holocene assemblages, 11–5 cal. ka, consistently reveal abundant camelid and deer remains, projectile points, and scrapers suggesting hunting-oriented economies [3–11]. For example, Rick [4] concluded that, “The settlement pattern [of the Junín region] and the faunal collections [from the site of Pachamachay] strongly support the hypothesis that vicuña, or similar camelids, were the major food source for puna [ecosystem] hunter-gatherers.” Such observations are furthermore consistent with diet breadth models, which suggest that early hunter-gatherer populations would tend to target high-ranked large mammals before resorting to plant foods..
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    148grss148grss Posts: 3,679
    edited January 25
    Is the definition of "winning" the popular vote getting a majority or a plurality? Because with RFK Jr on the ballot, I doubt either Trump or Biden will win a majority of the popular vote (not that I rate RJK Jr particularly, but I've seen some state level polling putting him at around 10%, which is what the Kennedy name seems to be able to get you no matter what).
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    Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 12,983
    edited January 25
    Taz said:

    Well I've decided to get a Range Rover in August.

    The middle class must accept they can’t afford Range Rovers – they’re only for rich people

    As the financial landscape changes, ‘Chelsea tractors’ are increasingly out of reach


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/consumer-affairs/range-rover-insurance-middle-class-not-afford/?li_source=LI&li_medium=for_you

    I'm sure they are far better engineered than when I worked there.

    A guy in the village has a 23 plate L460 and the pano roof is stuck open. He has had to put in my barn, so it doesn't fill up with rain and become a 110 grand mobile aquarium, until JLR can be arsed to try to fix it.

    The non-leather vegan interior is very well executed though, I'll give them that.
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    OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,079
    Is there for honest Poverty
    That hings his head, an' a' that;
    The coward slave - we pass him by,
    We dare be poor for a' that!
    For a' that, an' a' that.
    Our toils obscure an' a' that,
    The rank is but the guinea's stamp,
    The Man's the gowd for a' that.

    What though on hamely fare we dine,
    Wear hodden grey, an' a that;
    Gie fools their silks, and knaves their wine;
    A Man's a Man for a' that:
    For a' that, and a' that,
    Their tinsel show, an' a' that;
    The honest man, tho' e'er sae poor,
    Is king o' men for a' that.

    Ye see yon birkie, ca'd a lord,
    Wha struts, an' stares, an' a' that;
    Tho' hundreds worship at his word,
    He's but a coof for a' that:
    For a' that, an' a' that,
    His ribband, star, an' a' that:
    The man o' independent mind
    He looks an' laughs at a' that.

    A prince can mak a belted knight,
    A marquis, duke, an' a' that;
    But an honest man's abon his might,
    Gude faith, he maunna fa' that!
    For a' that, an' a' that,
    Their dignities an' a' that;
    The pith o' sense, an' pride o' worth,
    Are higher rank than a' that.

    Then let us pray that come it may,
    (As come it will for a' that,)
    That Sense and Worth, o'er a' the earth,
    Shall bear the gree, an' a' that.
    For a' that, an' a' that,
    It's coming yet for a' that,
    That Man to Man, the world o'er,
    Shall brothers be for a' that.

    Happy Burns Night everyone.
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    LeonLeon Posts: 46,918
    edited January 25

    Carnyx said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:
    What an UTTER load of bollocks

    One site, from 6500 years ago, with 24 skeletons in a fairly unique location - up in the Andes - does not prove "Early human hunter-gatherers ate mostly plants and vegetables"

    How can a self respecting science journalist write this drivel? Is it Woke nonsense, or is she just stupid?

    There could be any number of reasons why this one unusual site produces 24 skeletons of people who liked carrots. I mean, they are half way up a fucking mountain, maybe there wasn't that much meat. So they ate leaves

    Have they considered that?

    Absolutely laughable
    Two sites, actually.
    And they merely say 'it suggests', not 'proves'.

    As they point out, firm evidence for the actual balance of human diet going back that far is scant.

    One thing it does show pretty conclusively is the power of the headline over the rest of the text.
    What it does suggest, surely, is that human beings are pretty adaptable. they will find food wherever they are.
    I’m not sure how long people have lived in the Arctic, but if you found graves from 10,000 years ago, you might well find that they were meat eaters!
    Indeed, but "Live like an Inuit of old in a snow house without fitted plumbing" isn't a great advertising slogan for the Meat Marketing Board or those of us who can't quite cotton on to the idea that eating 5 meat meals a day might, erm, erase the entire Inuit way of life!
    I must say that I have sometimes wondered why the Inuit chose the way of life they did!
    There are theories about this, some of them tantalisingly provocative

    eg One of the now-extinct Inuit communities in Greenland formed the Dorset Culture

    The art of the Dorset culture is notoriously crazy and sinister, even by Inuit standards. Anthropologists and archeaologists who dug it up, in the last century, used to have nightmares about it, and some became traumatised

    Why was it so freaky? One theory is that the Dorset Inuit were a very late arrival in north America, and, basically, they found that the only place left, uninhabited, was Greenland. After a few generations they realised they were in a kind of beautiful hellscape, a place so difficult and dangerous it is not worth the effort to exist, so they spent 50 years making art to expres their existential horror, then they all died out deliberately, commiting a kind of national suicide

    Here is a Dorset skull I photographed near Ilullisat




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    bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 7,560
    148grss said:

    Is the definition of "winning" the popular vote getting a majority or a plurality? Because with RFK Jr on the ballot, I doubt either Trump or Biden will win a majority of the popular vote (not that I rate RJK Jr particularly, but I've seen some state level polling putting him at around 10%, which is what the Kennedy name seems to be able to get you no matter what).

    Plurality presumably. We talk of H Clinton winning the popular vote in 2016 and she got 48.2% to Trump’s 46.1%.
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 39,982

    Sandpit said:
    Not the first minister angry and swearing. Shocking stuff, I am sure the staff on the paper championing Johnson and Cummings will be shocked and offended by such behaviour.
    Marvellous that the folk who think it’s time to move on from the antics of party animal Boris have recovered their hunger for transparent justice when it comes to the SG.
    Though I can’t recall them being that peckish when it came to BJ and his crew.
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    148grss148grss Posts: 3,679
    Leon said:

    We are about to witness the dissolution of the British Museum, over the next thirty years. Indeed, I wonder if the very concept of a western museum, of global civilisation, is at an end

    1) If Britain wants to be a global player going one to one with other countries, we may have to ameliorate the diplomatic tension by giving back some of the stuff we stole from them and 2) we did steal that stuff from them, so we don't really have a leg to stand on. Imagine if 100-150 years ago the French nicked Stonehenge from us and now just had it in a museum - I think people here would be clamouring for it back.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,855
    148grss said:

    Is the definition of "winning" the popular vote getting a majority or a plurality? Because with RFK Jr on the ballot, I doubt either Trump or Biden will win a majority of the popular vote (not that I rate RJK Jr particularly, but I've seen some state level polling putting him at around 10%, which is what the Kennedy name seems to be able to get you no matter what).

    I’m sure a whole load of Americans think he’s JFK Jr.

    SO much depends on whether or not he can get himself onto the main debates in September and October. If he does get to share the floor with the two established parties, he could take votes from both of them and potentially make a lot of safe states less so.
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    OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,079
    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:
    What an UTTER load of bollocks

    One site, from 6500 years ago, with 24 skeletons in a fairly unique location - up in the Andes - does not prove "Early human hunter-gatherers ate mostly plants and vegetables"

    How can a self respecting science journalist write this drivel? Is it Woke nonsense, or is she just stupid?

    There could be any number of reasons why this one unusual site produces 24 skeletons of people who liked carrots. I mean, they are half way up a fucking mountain, maybe there wasn't that much meat. So they ate leaves

    Have they considered that?

    Absolutely laughable
    Two sites, actually.
    And they merely say 'it suggests', not 'proves'.

    As they point out, firm evidence for the actual balance of human diet going back that far is scant.

    One thing it does show pretty conclusively is the power of the headline over the rest of the text.
    What it does suggest, surely, is that human beings are pretty adaptable. they will find food wherever they are.
    I’m not sure how long people have lived in the Arctic, but if you found graves from 10,000 years ago, you might well find that they were meat eaters!
    Indeed, but "Live like an Inuit of old in a snow house without fitted plumbing" isn't a great advertising slogan for the Meat Marketing Board or those of us who can't quite cotton on to the idea that eating 5 meat meals a day might, erm, erase the entire Inuit way of life!
    I must say that I have sometimes wondered why the Inuit chose the way of life they did!
    There are theories about this, some of them tantalisingly provocative

    eg One of the now-extinct Inuit communities in Greenland formed the Dorset Culture

    The art of the Dorset culture is notoriously crazy and sinister, even by Inuit standards. Anthropologists and archeaologists who dug it up, in the last century, used to have nightmares about it, and some became traumatised

    Why was it so freaky? One theory is that the Dorset Inuit were a very late arrival in north America, and, basically, they found that the only place left, uninhabited, was Greenland. After a few generations they realised they were in a kind of beautiful hellscape, a place so difficult and dangerous it is not worth the effort to exist, so they spent 50 years making art to expres their existential horror, then they all died out deliberately, commiting a kind of national suicide

    Here is a Dorset skull I photographed near Ilullisat




    The Inuit are pretty much the only native people of the Americas not to have had their land expropriated by Europeans. Living somewhere so extreme that others won't try to surplant you is in some respects quite a sound strategy.
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    LeonLeon Posts: 46,918
    Greenland is fucking fantastic

    If anyone needs a holiday where they will feel like they are on another planet, in a different universe, go to Greenland. Go, specifically, to Ilulissat and Disko Bay

    Flights are pricey but once you are there it is not so expensive, and it is sublime, in the true sense. Spectacular with an element of danger

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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 38,922
    148grss said:

    Leon said:

    We are about to witness the dissolution of the British Museum, over the next thirty years. Indeed, I wonder if the very concept of a western museum, of global civilisation, is at an end

    1) If Britain wants to be a global player going one to one with other countries, we may have to ameliorate the diplomatic tension by giving back some of the stuff we stole from them and 2) we did steal that stuff from them, so we don't really have a leg to stand on. Imagine if 100-150 years ago the French nicked Stonehenge from us and now just had it in a museum - I think people here would be clamouring for it back.
    I don't think someone who encourages the Houthis to sink ships in the Red Sea is really interested in Britain being a 'global player'.
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    LeonLeon Posts: 46,918
    148grss said:

    Leon said:

    We are about to witness the dissolution of the British Museum, over the next thirty years. Indeed, I wonder if the very concept of a western museum, of global civilisation, is at an end

    1) If Britain wants to be a global player going one to one with other countries, we may have to ameliorate the diplomatic tension by giving back some of the stuff we stole from them and 2) we did steal that stuff from them, so we don't really have a leg to stand on. Imagine if 100-150 years ago the French nicked Stonehenge from us and now just had it in a museum - I think people here would be clamouring for it back.
    I'd quite like the Bayeux Tapestry back. It is about events in England, not France, and it was woven by Englishwomen, in England

    Return it, merci
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    Well I've decided to get a Range Rover in August.

    The middle class must accept they can’t afford Range Rovers – they’re only for rich people

    As the financial landscape changes, ‘Chelsea tractors’ are increasingly out of reach


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/consumer-affairs/range-rover-insurance-middle-class-not-afford/?li_source=LI&li_medium=for_you

    I've never understood why people buy Range Rovers. Buying a t shirt with "I am a c***" written on it would achieve the same effect at a fraction of the price.
    I prefer my German vehicles.
    Have you found the indicator yet?
    Well.


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    StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 6,991
    @Leon


    “Dorset culture is notoriously crazy and sinister”


    Perhaps @Benpointer would care to comment?
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    LeonLeon Posts: 46,918
    edited January 25

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:
    What an UTTER load of bollocks

    One site, from 6500 years ago, with 24 skeletons in a fairly unique location - up in the Andes - does not prove "Early human hunter-gatherers ate mostly plants and vegetables"

    How can a self respecting science journalist write this drivel? Is it Woke nonsense, or is she just stupid?

    There could be any number of reasons why this one unusual site produces 24 skeletons of people who liked carrots. I mean, they are half way up a fucking mountain, maybe there wasn't that much meat. So they ate leaves

    Have they considered that?

    Absolutely laughable
    Two sites, actually.
    And they merely say 'it suggests', not 'proves'.

    As they point out, firm evidence for the actual balance of human diet going back that far is scant.

    One thing it does show pretty conclusively is the power of the headline over the rest of the text.
    What it does suggest, surely, is that human beings are pretty adaptable. they will find food wherever they are.
    I’m not sure how long people have lived in the Arctic, but if you found graves from 10,000 years ago, you might well find that they were meat eaters!
    Indeed, but "Live like an Inuit of old in a snow house without fitted plumbing" isn't a great advertising slogan for the Meat Marketing Board or those of us who can't quite cotton on to the idea that eating 5 meat meals a day might, erm, erase the entire Inuit way of life!
    I must say that I have sometimes wondered why the Inuit chose the way of life they did!
    There are theories about this, some of them tantalisingly provocative

    eg One of the now-extinct Inuit communities in Greenland formed the Dorset Culture

    The art of the Dorset culture is notoriously crazy and sinister, even by Inuit standards. Anthropologists and archeaologists who dug it up, in the last century, used to have nightmares about it, and some became traumatised

    Why was it so freaky? One theory is that the Dorset Inuit were a very late arrival in north America, and, basically, they found that the only place left, uninhabited, was Greenland. After a few generations they realised they were in a kind of beautiful hellscape, a place so difficult and dangerous it is not worth the effort to exist, so they spent 50 years making art to expres their existential horror, then they all died out deliberately, commiting a kind of national suicide

    Here is a Dorset skull I photographed near Ilullisat




    The Inuit are pretty much the only native people of the Americas not to have had their land expropriated by Europeans. Living somewhere so extreme that others won't try to surplant you is in some respects quite a sound strategy.
    Until you actually go to Greenland

    My God. What a place. It is glorious but essentially uninhabitable. No one should live there, but they try

    It has the highest suicide rate on earth. It has a high rate of CHILD suicide


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_in_Greenland


    Think Glasgow or Stornoway on a Sunday in January, but with less of that sunny Scotch optimism, and the constant sense that everything inthe world is trying to kill you, in different ways,
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,167
    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:
    I particularly like this bit

    "The analysis also indicated that large mammals, such as deer or llamas, made up most of the meat in the diet, rather than smaller mammals such as birds or fish."

    Who could have guessed that primitive pre-farming people living ten thousand fucking feet up a bloody mountain, "didn't eat a lot of fish"
    "smaller mammals such as birds"????

    hahah

    I completely missed that, it is so egregious. Jesus, sack that journalist
    Actually worse than that.
    "smaller mammals such as birds or fish..."

    Pretty sure that wasn't the archeologist. I'm embarrassed to say I missed it too when I skimmed the piece.
    They used to have these weird people - sub-editors - who didn't miss this stuff.

    All long gone as far as one can tell.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,298
    DavidL said:

    FWIW I disagree with this thread. I expect Biden to win the popular vote handily.

    Unemployment in the US is at a 50 year low. Biden’s administration has created 14m jobs including 1m manufacturing jobs as he promised. Real wages, which have been flat, are now rising strongly. For the first time in decades US growth is matching or even exceeding China.

    It is a terrific record and his low polling numbers are a reflection of the bias in the right wing media calling everything awful. As the population focuses on this I expect Biden’s numbers to improve sharply and some of the Trump court cases to damage his.

    Not only do I see this as a poor bet, if I am right trading opportunities are likely to be poor because the Republican vote is not likely to be as good as it is now again.

    That's an argument for why you think he should win the popular vote, not whether he will or not as indicated by the evidence.
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