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It seems difficult to see how the Tories win with the country feeling like this

SystemSystem Posts: 12,068
edited January 14 in General
It seems difficult to see how the Tories win with the country feeling like this – politicalbetting.com

Thinking about the condition of the UK, do you think things are currently better, worse, or about the same as they were in 2010?All BritonsBetter: 7%Same: 13%Worse: 75%2019 Con votersBetter: 9%Same: 19%Worse: 68%https://t.co/u7AeiQ3KSz https://t.co/aPLE3J3ZbD

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  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 118,731
    Test
  • TimSTimS Posts: 12,239
    Same + better = 20%, so I think that counts as the floor of Tory support.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 118,731
    All gone to shit since Dave retired in 2016, no wonder brought Dave back.
  • eekeek Posts: 27,671

    All gone to shit since Dave retired in 2016, no wonder brought Dave back.

    How is the foreign secretary going to give me the 20% increase I would need to match my 2019 pay?
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,671

    Just shows how badly Ed Davey crippled this country in the Coalition years 2010-15 that, despite the heroic efforts of five Tory PMs since that time, they've not yet managed to repair the damage he did.

    Its all his fault!!!
  • eekeek Posts: 27,671

    Just shows how badly Ed Davey crippled this country in the Coalition years 2010-15 that, despite the heroic efforts of five Tory PMs since that time, they've not yet managed to repair the damage he did.

    Don’t you mean the Labour government of 2010 to 2024?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 118,731
    eek said:

    All gone to shit since Dave retired in 2016, no wonder brought Dave back.

    How is the foreign secretary going to give me the 20% increase I would need to match my 2019 pay?
    Sunak quits, Dave replaces him, and brings back George as Chancellor and the economy surges once more under his stewardship.
  • eek said:

    All gone to shit since Dave retired in 2016, no wonder brought Dave back.

    How is the foreign secretary going to give me the 20% increase I would need to match my 2019 pay?
    Sunak quits, Dave replaces him, and brings back George as Chancellor and the economy surges once more under his stewardship.
    About as likely as Sunak quits, Dave replaces him then steps out of Downing Street and says the last 8 years was all a dream.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 118,731
    eek said:

    Just shows how badly Ed Davey crippled this country in the Coalition years 2010-15 that, despite the heroic efforts of five Tory PMs since that time, they've not yet managed to repair the damage he did.

    Don’t you mean the Labour government of 2010 to 2024?
    Hard left Labour government of 2019 onwards.

    Boris et al have delivered socialism.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 69,110

    eek said:

    All gone to shit since Dave retired in 2016, no wonder brought Dave back.

    How is the foreign secretary going to give me the 20% increase I would need to match my 2019 pay?
    Sunak quits, Dave replaces him, and brings back George as Chancellor and the economy surges once more under his stewardship.
    About as likely as Sunak quits, Dave replaces him then steps out of Downing Street and says the last 8 years was all a dream.
    I'd vote for that, if it were true. :smile:
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 50,742

    eek said:

    All gone to shit since Dave retired in 2016, no wonder brought Dave back.

    How is the foreign secretary going to give me the 20% increase I would need to match my 2019 pay?
    Sunak quits, Dave replaces him, and brings back George as Chancellor and the economy surges once more under his stewardship.
    About as likely as Sunak quits, Dave replaces him then steps out of Downing Street and says the last 8 years was all a dream.
    "It is time to settle the Cameron question in British politics. I say to the British people: this will be your decision. After I have negotiated a new lease, there will be a very simple in-or-out choice about my residence in Downing Street."
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 16,690
    Anyway, it's Monday, so...

    Labour leads by 16% in our first poll of 2024.

    Westminster Voting Intention (7 Jan.):

    Labour 43% (+1)
    Conservative 27% (+3)
    Reform UK 11% (+1)
    Liberal Democrat 10% (-1)
    Green 5% (-1)
    Scottish National Party 3% (-1)
    Other 2% (–)

    Changes +/- 17 Dec.


    https://twitter.com/RedfieldWilton/status/1744403597545132475
  • Just started making beer for the first time..


  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 69,110

    Just started making beer for the first time..


    Not sure what you're showing us there, but it doesn't look very appetising.
    Reminds me of a very much later stage in the lifetime of a beer...
  • Just started making beer for the first time..


    Do we take it from that photo that it caused you to vomit into a bag? Maybe you need to sterilise the equipment more thoroughly next time?
  • eekeek Posts: 27,671

    eek said:

    All gone to shit since Dave retired in 2016, no wonder brought Dave back.

    How is the foreign secretary going to give me the 20% increase I would need to match my 2019 pay?
    Sunak quits, Dave replaces him, and brings back George as Chancellor and the economy surges once more under his stewardship.
    In the time left before an election has to be called - can’t see that happening
  • Wulfrun_PhilWulfrun_Phil Posts: 4,780

    eek said:

    All gone to shit since Dave retired in 2016, no wonder brought Dave back.

    How is the foreign secretary going to give me the 20% increase I would need to match my 2019 pay?
    Sunak quits, Dave replaces him, and brings back George as Chancellor and the economy surges once more under his stewardship.
    "once more"?

    The only growth surge under Osborne was the equivalent annualised rate of 4% that the economy was growing at, by the end of the first two quarters of 2010 when he took over (i.e. 2% over 6 months, that is 2010 Q1 GDP + 0.9%, Q2 +1.1%). Osborne's austerity managed to nip that nascent growth in the bud pretty quickly and never managed to beat Darling's growth legacy in any half year during his entire tenure.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,257

    Anyway, it's Monday, so...

    Labour leads by 16% in our first poll of 2024.

    Westminster Voting Intention (7 Jan.):

    Labour 43% (+1)
    Conservative 27% (+3)
    Reform UK 11% (+1)
    Liberal Democrat 10% (-1)
    Green 5% (-1)
    Scottish National Party 3% (-1)
    Other 2% (–)

    Changes +/- 17 Dec.


    https://twitter.com/RedfieldWilton/status/1744403597545132475

    Broken, sleazy LibDems, Greens and SNP on the slide!
  • VerulamiusVerulamius Posts: 1,524
    Redfield & Wilton have also published their latest Swing State poll tracking opinions in Arizona, Florida, Georgia, Michigan, North Carolina and Pennsylvania.
    https://redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-us-swing-states-voting-intention-28-30-december-2023/

    Trump is leading Biden in all six.


  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 69,110
    Duolingo laid off a huge percentage of their contract translators, and the remaining ones are simply reviewing AI translations to make sure they're 'acceptable'. This is the world we're creating. Removing the humanity from how we learn to connect with humanity.
    https://twitter.com/Rahll/status/1744234385891594380
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 69,110

    Just started making beer for the first time..


    Do we take it from that photo that it caused you to vomit into a bag? Maybe you need to sterilise the equipment more thoroughly next time?
    Now that's just rude.
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,603
    It's January!

    Everyone feels flat and fed up.

    But soon KEIR will be along to cheer everyone up 😈
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,288
    Re: PO Scandal, am baffled WHY one of the leading culprits appears (at least for now) be totally unrepentant and NOT being held to account, despite hold a top Westminster job under five Conservative prime ministers.

    Larry.
  • GhedebravGhedebrav Posts: 3,860

    The Tories just don't seem to care. Keir Starmer vising flooded deprived areas in Loughborough, the local Labour councillors have been all over the area for the past few days. The Tory MP nowhere in sight. The town knows Tories don't care, but the Tories can't even be arsed to make an effort. My 80 year old ex neighbour, retired BP lawyer, Tory through and through... voting for Starmer's party to get rid of the government.
    They're done.

    I've some work colleagues in the Loughborough area and they are staggered and astonished by their MP's invisibility (Jane Hunt is her name).

    Seems like MP 101 to me, make with the galoshes and sandbags ASAP, look gravely at some blocked drains and write a concerned letter to the PM.

    This is in a classic bellwether seat as well, so no wonder SKS has been gladhanding the locals. It's an open net.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 31,557
    "Post Office Scandal: Former Sub-Postmaster Jess Kaur Shares Her Story | Good Morning Britain"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mBvCZOD4LM
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 69,110

    Re: PO Scandal, am baffled WHY one of the leading culprits appears (at least for now) be totally unrepentant and NOT being held to account, despite holding a top Westminster job under five Conservative prime ministers.

    Larry.

    There's a logical flaw in there.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 31,557
    Redfield/Winton

    Labour 43% (+1)
    Conservative 27% (+3)
    Reform UK 11% (+1)
    Liberal Democrat 10% (-1)
    Green 5% (-1)
    Scottish National Party 3% (-1)
    Other 2% (–)

    https://redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-gb-voting-intention-7-january-2024/
  • Twickbait_55Twickbait_55 Posts: 123

    eek said:

    All gone to shit since Dave retired in 2016, no wonder brought Dave back.

    How is the foreign secretary going to give me the 20% increase I would need to match my 2019 pay?
    Sunak quits, Dave replaces him, and brings back George as Chancellor and the economy surges once more under his stewardship.
    About as likely as Sunak quits, Dave replaces him then steps out of Downing Street and says the last 8 years was all a dream.
    "It is time to settle the Cameron question in British politics. I say to the British people: this will be your decision. After I have negotiated a new lease, there will be a very simple in-or-out choice about my residence in Downing Street."
    "That's me in the corner, that's me in the spotlight; losing my religion " ... Cheeky I know 😉
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 118,731
    Court documents allege sex tapes taken of Prince Andrew, Bill Clinton and Sir Richard Branson by Jeffrey Epstein

    https://news.sky.com/story/jeffrey-epstein-court-documents-allege-sex-tapes-taken-of-prince-andrew-bill-clinton-and-sir-richard-branson-13044275
  • GhedebravGhedebrav Posts: 3,860

    Good evening PB :)

    I note a huge increase for SKS with Redfield Wilton.

    Starmer leads Sunak by 15% as election year begins.

    At this moment, which of the following do Britons think would be the better Prime Minister for the UK? (7 January)

    Keir Starmer 45% (+6)
    Rishi Sunak 30% (-2)

    Changes +/- 17 December

    https://redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-gb-voting-intention-7-january-2024

    It is very hard to see how SKS will not be winning a large majority at this rate.

    In off-topic news, it was snowing in SW London today which made my run feel quite "Christmasy", which was a weird feeling for January. I am currently on day 22 of 30, of running 5K every day for 30 days.

    See you all soon :)

    That's an excellent commitment to make, congrats on getting so far with it. Mind you don't slip though!
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 50,742

    Court documents allege sex tapes taken of Prince Andrew, Bill Clinton and Sir Richard Branson by Jeffrey Epstein

    https://news.sky.com/story/jeffrey-epstein-court-documents-allege-sex-tapes-taken-of-prince-andrew-bill-clinton-and-sir-richard-branson-13044275

    Presumably not together?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,394

    eek said:

    All gone to shit since Dave retired in 2016, no wonder brought Dave back.

    How is the foreign secretary going to give me the 20% increase I would need to match my 2019 pay?
    Sunak quits, Dave replaces him, and brings back George as Chancellor and the economy surges once more under his stewardship.
    "once more"?

    The only growth surge under Osborne was the equivalent annualised rate of 4% that the economy was growing at, by the end of the first two quarters of 2010 when he took over (i.e. 2% over 6 months, that is 2010 Q1 GDP + 0.9%, Q2 +1.1%). Osborne's austerity managed to nip that nascent growth in the bud pretty quickly and never managed to beat Darling's growth legacy in any half year during his entire tenure.
    Indeed, pesky facts, eh?

    Osborne's tenure as Chancellor saw the worst extended spell of economic under-performance in the past 100 years.
  • Nigelb said:

    Just started making beer for the first time..


    Not sure what you're showing us there, but it doesn't look very appetising.
    Reminds me of a very much later stage in the lifetime of a beer...
    It's barley mash

    It won't make me puke for at least four weeks yet

    Looks even lovelier now


  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 118,731
    Nigelb said:

    Court documents allege sex tapes taken of Prince Andrew, Bill Clinton and Sir Richard Branson by Jeffrey Epstein

    https://news.sky.com/story/jeffrey-epstein-court-documents-allege-sex-tapes-taken-of-prince-andrew-bill-clinton-and-sir-richard-branson-13044275

    That's a threesome I definitely wouldn't wish to witness.
    Another example of why the Oxford comma is important.
  • TimS said:

    Same + better = 20%, so I think that counts as the floor of Tory support.

    Quite a few of those saying same or better aren't 2019 Conservative voters according to the poll. Some of those will have switched to the Tories since 2019 (it takes all sorts) but not very many - quite a few of the 20% have no intention of voting Tory, I suspect.

    There are just some people who either take a pretty optimistic view about direction of travel, or who recall (not totally unreasonably) that 2010 wasn't that great with the credit crunch etc.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 118,731
    edited January 8

    eek said:

    All gone to shit since Dave retired in 2016, no wonder brought Dave back.

    How is the foreign secretary going to give me the 20% increase I would need to match my 2019 pay?
    Sunak quits, Dave replaces him, and brings back George as Chancellor and the economy surges once more under his stewardship.
    "once more"?

    The only growth surge under Osborne was the equivalent annualised rate of 4% that the economy was growing at, by the end of the first two quarters of 2010 when he took over (i.e. 2% over 6 months, that is 2010 Q1 GDP + 0.9%, Q2 +1.1%). Osborne's austerity managed to nip that nascent growth in the bud pretty quickly and never managed to beat Darling's growth legacy in any half year during his entire tenure.
    Indeed, pesky facts, eh?

    Osborne's tenure as Chancellor saw the worst extended spell of economic under-performance in the past 100 years.
    Almost like Osborne inherited a shit economic legacy?

    Can anyone tell us what the drop in economic performance was during Darling's tenure as Chancellor?

    Slow posters like Wulfrun Phil forgets that austerity wasn't a choice, lest we forget this is what Labour were promising if they won the 2010 general election.

    Alistair Darling: we will cut deeper than Margaret Thatcher

    Thinktank warns of 'two parliaments of pain' with spending slashed by 25% to repair black hole in finances


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2010/mar/25/alistair-darling-cut-deeper-margaret-thatcher
  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 3,071
    Are we not adjacent to the day that tabloids have identified as the most miserable in the year? Xmas bills, cash run out, cold, dark, another week to the next pay cheque. Things can only get better, though from Sunak's POV, not fast enough.
  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 3,071

    eek said:

    All gone to shit since Dave retired in 2016, no wonder brought Dave back.

    How is the foreign secretary going to give me the 20% increase I would need to match my 2019 pay?
    Sunak quits, Dave replaces him, and brings back George as Chancellor and the economy surges once more under his stewardship.
    "once more"?

    The only growth surge under Osborne was the equivalent annualised rate of 4% that the economy was growing at, by the end of the first two quarters of 2010 when he took over (i.e. 2% over 6 months, that is 2010 Q1 GDP + 0.9%, Q2 +1.1%). Osborne's austerity managed to nip that nascent growth in the bud pretty quickly and never managed to beat Darling's growth legacy in any half year during his entire tenure.
    Indeed, pesky facts, eh?

    Osborne's tenure as Chancellor saw the worst extended spell of economic under-performance in the past 100 years.
    Almost like Osborne inherited a shit economic legacy?

    Can anyone tell us what the drop in economic performance was during Darling's tenure as Chancellor?

    Slow posters like Wulfrun Phil forgets that austerity wasn't a choice, lest we forget this is what Labour were promising if they won the 2010 general election.

    Alistair Darling: we will cut deeper than Margaret Thatcher

    Thinktank warns of 'two parliaments of pain' with spending slashed by 25% to repair black hole in finances


    https://news.sky.com/story/jeffrey-epstein-court-documents-allege-sex-tapes-taken-of-prince-andrew-bill-clinton-and-sir-richard-branson-13044275
    Didn't Brown start the austerity ball rolling by cutting Cameron's salary on his way out of the door?
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,103
    FPT:

    ...

    Chris said:

    Chris said:

    Chris said:

    Chris said:

    isam said:

    Farage has accused Sir Keir of not doing anything as DPP about the Post Office prosecutions… at first glance this just seems an ill informed and he has been community noted for it on X, but…

    Sir Keir has now come out and said the Post Office shouldn’t be able to prosecute people, presumably to draw attention to the fact it was nothing to do with him as DPP. A potential problem for him is that he has been parading around depicting his time as DPP as a Sheriff of Justice, riding into town righting any wrongs that unscrupulous corporations and politicians committed… even though he was unable to do anything about it, I think the public might see his Uncle Albert “When I was DPP…” white knight act differently, and maybe that what Farage was getting at

    Or maybe Farage just messed up

    Or maybe Tories these days are so desperate that they have no shame.
    Since when was Farage a Tory? Been a while I reckon....
    That which we call a Tory by any other name would smell as ...
    There is a far wider gulf between Farage and Sunak than there is between Corbyn and the guy who was prepared to sit in his Shadow Cabinet for years as anti-semitism raged in the Labour Party...
    Sorry, but I know what I mean by "Tory", whether inside or outside the Conservative Party. And Farage is a Tory to his roots.
    What an idiotic thing to say!
    It seems to be absolutely standard here to dismiss opinions one disagrees with as "idiotic" or "nonsensical".


    I suppose actually explaining why you hold a different opinion might be a bit too taxing.
    That’s better than “you are stupid” which is your approach.

    Tory is a specific proper noun referring to members of the Tory party. Farage is not a member of the Tory party. Therefore Farage is not a Tory.

    Sometimes it really is that simple
    Dominic Grieve is no longer a member of the Conservative Party. He still calls himself a "one nation Conservative/Tory"
    I am no longer a member of the conservative party but I am a one nation conservative
    I remain a member of the Conservative party, and look forward to voting for a right-wing leader again after Sunak - the most left wing PM of my lifetime - gets pummelled electorally at the next election.

  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 118,731

    eek said:

    All gone to shit since Dave retired in 2016, no wonder brought Dave back.

    How is the foreign secretary going to give me the 20% increase I would need to match my 2019 pay?
    Sunak quits, Dave replaces him, and brings back George as Chancellor and the economy surges once more under his stewardship.
    "once more"?

    The only growth surge under Osborne was the equivalent annualised rate of 4% that the economy was growing at, by the end of the first two quarters of 2010 when he took over (i.e. 2% over 6 months, that is 2010 Q1 GDP + 0.9%, Q2 +1.1%). Osborne's austerity managed to nip that nascent growth in the bud pretty quickly and never managed to beat Darling's growth legacy in any half year during his entire tenure.
    Indeed, pesky facts, eh?

    Osborne's tenure as Chancellor saw the worst extended spell of economic under-performance in the past 100 years.
    Almost like Osborne inherited a shit economic legacy?

    Can anyone tell us what the drop in economic performance was during Darling's tenure as Chancellor?

    Slow posters like Wulfrun Phil forgets that austerity wasn't a choice, lest we forget this is what Labour were promising if they won the 2010 general election.

    Alistair Darling: we will cut deeper than Margaret Thatcher

    Thinktank warns of 'two parliaments of pain' with spending slashed by 25% to repair black hole in finances


    https://news.sky.com/story/jeffrey-epstein-court-documents-allege-sex-tapes-taken-of-prince-andrew-bill-clinton-and-sir-richard-branson-13044275
    Didn't Brown start the austerity ball rolling by cutting Cameron's salary on his way out of the door?
    Yup.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,288
    Nigelb said:

    Duolingo laid off a huge percentage of their contract translators, and the remaining ones are simply reviewing AI translations to make sure they're 'acceptable'. This is the world we're creating. Removing the humanity from how we learn to connect with humanity.
    https://twitter.com/Rahll/status/1744234385891594380

    Reminds me of what happened more than two decades ago, when King County was required, after the 2020 US census, to provide Chinese-language ballots and other election materials up request by individual voters, as per federal law.

    Then-election director (fired several years later) decided to rely on then-available computer translation system of some kind.

    With results that were (how do you say it in Chinese?) garbage.

    So election dept did what they should have done in the first place: hired someone qualified who was bilingual in Chinese AND English to do translations, and vetted their work with others also qualified.

    Not like there was or is a shortage of folks like that in Seattle!
  • novanova Posts: 676
    edited January 8

    TimS said:

    Same + better = 20%, so I think that counts as the floor of Tory support.

    Quite a few of those saying same or better aren't 2019 Conservative voters according to the poll. Some of those will have switched to the Tories since 2019 (it takes all sorts) but not very many - quite a few of the 20% have no intention of voting Tory, I suspect.

    There are just some people who either take a pretty optimistic view about direction of travel, or who recall (not totally unreasonably) that 2010 wasn't that great with the credit crunch etc.
    There's also a strong element in the right wing vote that thinks things "aren't as good as they used to be", and that the Tories are the best bet for holding back the tide.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,288
    Nigelb said:

    Re: PO Scandal, am baffled WHY one of the leading culprits appears (at least for now) be totally unrepentant and NOT being held to account, despite holding a top Westminster job under five Conservative prime ministers.

    Larry.

    There's a logical flaw in there.
    Do you mean, logical claw?
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,022
    Mortimer said:

    FPT:

    ...

    Chris said:

    Chris said:

    Chris said:

    Chris said:

    isam said:

    Farage has accused Sir Keir of not doing anything as DPP about the Post Office prosecutions… at first glance this just seems an ill informed and he has been community noted for it on X, but…

    Sir Keir has now come out and said the Post Office shouldn’t be able to prosecute people, presumably to draw attention to the fact it was nothing to do with him as DPP. A potential problem for him is that he has been parading around depicting his time as DPP as a Sheriff of Justice, riding into town righting any wrongs that unscrupulous corporations and politicians committed… even though he was unable to do anything about it, I think the public might see his Uncle Albert “When I was DPP…” white knight act differently, and maybe that what Farage was getting at

    Or maybe Farage just messed up

    Or maybe Tories these days are so desperate that they have no shame.
    Since when was Farage a Tory? Been a while I reckon....
    That which we call a Tory by any other name would smell as ...
    There is a far wider gulf between Farage and Sunak than there is between Corbyn and the guy who was prepared to sit in his Shadow Cabinet for years as anti-semitism raged in the Labour Party...
    Sorry, but I know what I mean by "Tory", whether inside or outside the Conservative Party. And Farage is a Tory to his roots.
    What an idiotic thing to say!
    It seems to be absolutely standard here to dismiss opinions one disagrees with as "idiotic" or "nonsensical".


    I suppose actually explaining why you hold a different opinion might be a bit too taxing.
    That’s better than “you are stupid” which is your approach.

    Tory is a specific proper noun referring to members of the Tory party. Farage is not a member of the Tory party. Therefore Farage is not a Tory.

    Sometimes it really is that simple
    Dominic Grieve is no longer a member of the Conservative Party. He still calls himself a "one nation Conservative/Tory"
    I am no longer a member of the conservative party but I am a one nation conservative
    I remain a member of the Conservative party, and look forward to voting for a right-wing leader again after Sunak - the most left wing PM of my lifetime - gets pummelled electorally at the next election.

    So you think Sunak is too left wing and BigG thinks Sunak is too right wing, have I got that right?
  • Twickbait_55Twickbait_55 Posts: 123
    Mortimer said:

    FPT:

    ...

    Chris said:

    Chris said:

    Chris said:

    Chris said:

    isam said:

    Farage has accused Sir Keir of not doing anything as DPP about the Post Office prosecutions… at first glance this just seems an ill informed and he has been community noted for it on X, but…

    Sir Keir has now come out and said the Post Office shouldn’t be able to prosecute people, presumably to draw attention to the fact it was nothing to do with him as DPP. A potential problem for him is that he has been parading around depicting his time as DPP as a Sheriff of Justice, riding into town righting any wrongs that unscrupulous corporations and politicians committed… even though he was unable to do anything about it, I think the public might see his Uncle Albert “When I was DPP…” white knight act differently, and maybe that what Farage was getting at

    Or maybe Farage just messed up

    Or maybe Tories these days are so desperate that they have no shame.
    Since when was Farage a Tory? Been a while I reckon....
    That which we call a Tory by any other name would smell as ...
    There is a far wider gulf between Farage and Sunak than there is between Corbyn and the guy who was prepared to sit in his Shadow Cabinet for years as anti-semitism raged in the Labour Party...
    Sorry, but I know what I mean by "Tory", whether inside or outside the Conservative Party. And Farage is a Tory to his roots.
    What an idiotic thing to say!
    It seems to be absolutely standard here to dismiss opinions one disagrees with as "idiotic" or "nonsensical".


    I suppose actually explaining why you hold a different opinion might be a bit too taxing.
    That’s better than “you are stupid” which is your approach.

    Tory is a specific proper noun referring to members of the Tory party. Farage is not a member of the Tory party. Therefore Farage is not a Tory.

    Sometimes it really is that simple
    Dominic Grieve is no longer a member of the Conservative Party. He still calls himself a "one nation Conservative/Tory"
    I am no longer a member of the conservative party but I am a one nation conservative
    I remain a member of the Conservative party, and look forward to voting for a right-wing leader again after Sunak - the most left wing PM of my lifetime - gets pummelled electorally at the next election.

    Farage is a shameless self publicist and cheap conman who'd sell his granny if guaranteed a profit. Makes Arthur Daley seem talented and eminently respectable. In terms of certain (dis) honourable members; and aspects of current Tory ideology, policy and thought he would fit eminently
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,547
    edited January 8
    Is there an American Macron about to burst onto the scene I wonder. Obama and Trump both bent the two party system to their own will. But if the loonies insist on another Biden Vs Trump showdown, perhaps a credible third party candidate (not rfk) might try and smash the two party system from the middle.

    I’m not asking for the moon on a stick. Someone free of child sex and bribery sleaze, no record of inciting insurrection, wants to retain the western alliance and no sign of being in pay of foreign adversaries, doesn’t sh*t his pants, has sufficient marbles to remember which of children are dead and alive, ideally born no earlier than the Beatles first #1.

    Shouldnt be impossible in the social media age.

  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,639
    Nigelb said:

    Duolingo laid off a huge percentage of their contract translators, and the remaining ones are simply reviewing AI translations to make sure they're 'acceptable'. This is the world we're creating. Removing the humanity from how we learn to connect with humanity.
    https://twitter.com/Rahll/status/1744234385891594380

    Wait until he hears that X (formerly known as Twitter) doesn't use human couriers to transport his messages from his phone to the world.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 12,239
    Andy_JS said:

    Redfield/Winton

    Labour 43% (+1)
    Conservative 27% (+3)
    Reform UK 11% (+1)
    Liberal Democrat 10% (-1)
    Green 5% (-1)
    Scottish National Party 3% (-1)
    Other 2% (–)

    https://redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-gb-voting-intention-7-january-2024/

    LLG 58 vs RefCon 38 so a 20% gap in bloc voting vs a 25% gap last time. And a Green vote that continues to decline, as it has done across multiple pollsters for a month or two. I'm surprised, given the fertile ground of the Gaza conflict. It's perhaps the upcoming election focusing the mind.

    Where those Reform votes go come the election (if they exist) will be fascinating to watch.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 12,239
    moonshine said:

    Is there an American Macron about to burst onto the scene I wonder. Obama and Trump both bent the two party system to their own will. But if the loonies insist on another Biden Vs Trump showdown, perhaps a credible third party candidate (not rfk) might try and smash the two party system from the middle.

    I’m not asking for the moon on a stick. Someone free of child sex and bribery sleaze, no record of inciting insurrection, wants to retain the western alliance and no sign of being in pay of foreign adversaries, doesn’t sh*t his pants, has sufficient marbles to remember which of children are dead and alive, ideally born no earlier than the Beatles first #1.

    Shouldnt be impossible in the social media age.

    Impossible in a FPTP-like system as they have in the US. Macron burst on to the French presidential scene by getting up to about 20% in the polls and then the first round. That was enough in a crowded field to get him into the second round. Whereas a third party candidate in the US realistically has to get up into the 30s in the polls to stand any chance of momentum carrying them through.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,223

    eek said:

    All gone to shit since Dave retired in 2016, no wonder brought Dave back.

    How is the foreign secretary going to give me the 20% increase I would need to match my 2019 pay?
    Sunak quits, Dave replaces him, and brings back George as Chancellor and the economy surges once more under his stewardship.
    "once more"?

    The only growth surge under Osborne was the equivalent annualised rate of 4% that the economy was growing at, by the end of the first two quarters of 2010 when he took over (i.e. 2% over 6 months, that is 2010 Q1 GDP + 0.9%, Q2 +1.1%). Osborne's austerity managed to nip that nascent growth in the bud pretty quickly and never managed to beat Darling's growth legacy in any half year during his entire tenure.
    Indeed, pesky facts, eh?

    Osborne's tenure as Chancellor saw the worst extended spell of economic under-performance in the past 100 years.
    Almost like Osborne inherited a shit economic legacy?

    Can anyone tell us what the drop in economic performance was during Darling's tenure as Chancellor?

    Slow posters like Wulfrun Phil forgets that austerity wasn't a choice, lest we forget this is what Labour were promising if they won the 2010 general election.

    Alistair Darling: we will cut deeper than Margaret Thatcher

    Thinktank warns of 'two parliaments of pain' with spending slashed by 25% to repair black hole in finances


    https://news.sky.com/story/jeffrey-epstein-court-documents-allege-sex-tapes-taken-of-prince-andrew-bill-clinton-and-sir-richard-branson-13044275
    Didn't Brown start the austerity ball rolling by cutting Cameron's salary on his way out of the door?
    Did we ever learn the truth of the Prime Ministerial pay cut, or rather its timing?
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 16,690
    Stocky said:

    Mortimer said:

    FPT:

    ...

    Chris said:

    Chris said:

    Chris said:

    Chris said:

    isam said:

    Farage has accused Sir Keir of not doing anything as DPP about the Post Office prosecutions… at first glance this just seems an ill informed and he has been community noted for it on X, but…

    Sir Keir has now come out and said the Post Office shouldn’t be able to prosecute people, presumably to draw attention to the fact it was nothing to do with him as DPP. A potential problem for him is that he has been parading around depicting his time as DPP as a Sheriff of Justice, riding into town righting any wrongs that unscrupulous corporations and politicians committed… even though he was unable to do anything about it, I think the public might see his Uncle Albert “When I was DPP…” white knight act differently, and maybe that what Farage was getting at

    Or maybe Farage just messed up

    Or maybe Tories these days are so desperate that they have no shame.
    Since when was Farage a Tory? Been a while I reckon....
    That which we call a Tory by any other name would smell as ...
    There is a far wider gulf between Farage and Sunak than there is between Corbyn and the guy who was prepared to sit in his Shadow Cabinet for years as anti-semitism raged in the Labour Party...
    Sorry, but I know what I mean by "Tory", whether inside or outside the Conservative Party. And Farage is a Tory to his roots.
    What an idiotic thing to say!
    It seems to be absolutely standard here to dismiss opinions one disagrees with as "idiotic" or "nonsensical".


    I suppose actually explaining why you hold a different opinion might be a bit too taxing.
    That’s better than “you are stupid” which is your approach.

    Tory is a specific proper noun referring to members of the Tory party. Farage is not a member of the Tory party. Therefore Farage is not a Tory.

    Sometimes it really is that simple
    Dominic Grieve is no longer a member of the Conservative Party. He still calls himself a "one nation Conservative/Tory"
    I am no longer a member of the conservative party but I am a one nation conservative
    I remain a member of the Conservative party, and look forward to voting for a right-wing leader again after Sunak - the most left wing PM of my lifetime - gets pummelled electorally at the next election.

    So you think Sunak is too left wing and BigG thinks Sunak is too right wing, have I got that right?
    Part of the hilarity of Sunak's situation.

    Too right wing for centrists, not right wing enough for right wingers, too incompetent to satisfy those who just want competent government.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,279
    edited January 8

    Court documents allege sex tapes taken of Prince Andrew, Bill Clinton and Sir Richard Branson by Jeffrey Epstein

    https://news.sky.com/story/jeffrey-epstein-court-documents-allege-sex-tapes-taken-of-prince-andrew-bill-clinton-and-sir-richard-branson-13044275

    Deleted. Obvious joke made already!!
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 21,191
    FPT
    viewcode said:

    Leon said:

    viewcode said:

    TimS said:

    I missed the NU10K thing. What is it?

    A PBer (now identified as @Malmesbury) is convinced that the British State is captured by and serves a small group of people. This group is referred to as The Nu10K. They are characterised by i) high-paid administrative positions, ii) rarely fired for incompetence, and iii) when fired for incompetence are rapidly reemployed at the same or higher wage.

    I think he's right, btw

    Were you asking for the names of specific people?
    It would make an excellent Spectator article. Hopefully no one will steal it
    Damn. My next scheduled one is political parties but I'll see if I can rattle one off to the mods quickly
    To: @TSE, @rcs1000
    From: @viewcode

    Good day to you both
    I have emailed you via email a proposed article on political elites. It has had all the personal data removed. It is submitted to you on the condition that you do not breach my anonymity: please accept that or return it unpublished. I hope that you look kindly upon it.
    Regards, @viewcode
  • TimSTimS Posts: 12,239

    Stocky said:

    Mortimer said:

    FPT:

    ...

    Chris said:

    Chris said:

    Chris said:

    Chris said:

    isam said:

    Farage has accused Sir Keir of not doing anything as DPP about the Post Office prosecutions… at first glance this just seems an ill informed and he has been community noted for it on X, but…

    Sir Keir has now come out and said the Post Office shouldn’t be able to prosecute people, presumably to draw attention to the fact it was nothing to do with him as DPP. A potential problem for him is that he has been parading around depicting his time as DPP as a Sheriff of Justice, riding into town righting any wrongs that unscrupulous corporations and politicians committed… even though he was unable to do anything about it, I think the public might see his Uncle Albert “When I was DPP…” white knight act differently, and maybe that what Farage was getting at

    Or maybe Farage just messed up

    Or maybe Tories these days are so desperate that they have no shame.
    Since when was Farage a Tory? Been a while I reckon....
    That which we call a Tory by any other name would smell as ...
    There is a far wider gulf between Farage and Sunak than there is between Corbyn and the guy who was prepared to sit in his Shadow Cabinet for years as anti-semitism raged in the Labour Party...
    Sorry, but I know what I mean by "Tory", whether inside or outside the Conservative Party. And Farage is a Tory to his roots.
    What an idiotic thing to say!
    It seems to be absolutely standard here to dismiss opinions one disagrees with as "idiotic" or "nonsensical".


    I suppose actually explaining why you hold a different opinion might be a bit too taxing.
    That’s better than “you are stupid” which is your approach.

    Tory is a specific proper noun referring to members of the Tory party. Farage is not a member of the Tory party. Therefore Farage is not a Tory.

    Sometimes it really is that simple
    Dominic Grieve is no longer a member of the Conservative Party. He still calls himself a "one nation Conservative/Tory"
    I am no longer a member of the conservative party but I am a one nation conservative
    I remain a member of the Conservative party, and look forward to voting for a right-wing leader again after Sunak - the most left wing PM of my lifetime - gets pummelled electorally at the next election.

    So you think Sunak is too left wing and BigG thinks Sunak is too right wing, have I got that right?
    Part of the hilarity of Sunak's situation.

    Too right wing for centrists, not right wing enough for right wingers, too incompetent to satisfy those who just want competent government.
    And for a lot of Cameronian types he's both too right wing and too left wing at the same time. Too right wing on culture and Brexit, too left wing on tax and spend.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 70,694
    dixiedean said:

    Court documents allege sex tapes taken of Prince Andrew, Bill Clinton and Sir Richard Branson by Jeffrey Epstein

    https://news.sky.com/story/jeffrey-epstein-court-documents-allege-sex-tapes-taken-of-prince-andrew-bill-clinton-and-sir-richard-branson-13044275

    I very fervently hope some other people were involved as well.
    I don't. If it's just those three at least no children were involved.

    Sadly, given the source I suspect the headline is somewhat misleading.

    However, let's remember Epstein would have made Goebbels look honest.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 22,030
    edited January 8
    FPT: Memories

    DavidL said:

    IanB2 said:

    Peculiar that both R4 and LBC are talking about "Paula Vennell", missing off the final 's.

    The spelling is curious. Is it not "Venal"?
    This tells us she is a proper wrong ‘un.

    She then studied Russian and French at the University of Bradford, graduating in 1981 with a Bachelor of Arts (BA) degree.
    In the 1980s I believe Bradford was the only UK University which had an actual student exchange with real Russian students visiting every year from Leningrad.

    A few years later I was house sharing with UK students learning Russian in Bradford when that year's group of 16 came over. It was interesting - they all came with food supplies in their luggage so they could reserve the money for consumer durables to take home.

    Very knowledgeable about English literature from the 18/19C - perhaps from Russian authorities teaching Russians caricatures about the UK, and a rather clunky use of selected English idioms as is sometimes characteristic of Germans speaking English eg "I am in two minds".

    Lots of comparisons of the Komsomol to the Scout Movement.

    And it caused mild havoc when one of the Russian students converted to evangelical Christianity whilst in Bradford. :smile:

  • CleitophonCleitophon Posts: 465
    MattW said:

    FPT: Memories

    DavidL said:

    IanB2 said:

    Peculiar that both R4 and LBC are talking about "Paula Vennell", missing off the final 's.

    The spelling is curious. Is it not "Venal"?
    This tells us she is a proper wrong ‘un.

    She then studied Russian and French at the University of Bradford, graduating in 1981 with a Bachelor of Arts (BA) degree.
    In the 1980s I believe Bradford was the only UK University which had an actual student exchange with real Russian students visiting every year from Leningrad.

    A few years later I was house sharing with UK students leaning Russian in Bradford when that year's group of 16 came over. It was interesting - they all came with food supplies in their luggage so they could reserve the money for consumer durables to take home.

    Very knowledgeable about English literature from the 18/19C - perhaps from Russian authorities teaching Russians caricatures about the UK, and a rather clunky use of selected English idioms as is sometimes characteristic of Germans speaking English eg "I am in two minds".

    Lots of comparisons of the Komsomol to the Scout Movement.

    And it caused mild havoc when one of the Russian students converted to evangelical Christianity whilst in Bradford. :smile:

    Ohhh converted like Tarr's Irena in Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 70,694

    MattW said:

    FPT: Memories

    DavidL said:

    IanB2 said:

    Peculiar that both R4 and LBC are talking about "Paula Vennell", missing off the final 's.

    The spelling is curious. Is it not "Venal"?
    This tells us she is a proper wrong ‘un.

    She then studied Russian and French at the University of Bradford, graduating in 1981 with a Bachelor of Arts (BA) degree.
    In the 1980s I believe Bradford was the only UK University which had an actual student exchange with real Russian students visiting every year from Leningrad.

    A few years later I was house sharing with UK students leaning Russian in Bradford when that year's group of 16 came over. It was interesting - they all came with food supplies in their luggage so they could reserve the money for consumer durables to take home.

    Very knowledgeable about English literature from the 18/19C - perhaps from Russian authorities teaching Russians caricatures about the UK, and a rather clunky use of selected English idioms as is sometimes characteristic of Germans speaking English eg "I am in two minds".

    Lots of comparisons of the Komsomol to the Scout Movement.

    And it caused mild havoc when one of the Russian students converted to evangelical Christianity whilst in Bradford. :smile:

    Ohhh converted like Tarr's Irena in Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy
    Hopefully without being shot afterwards.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,288
    IF you think Paula Vennells has trouble . . .

    Variety - Golden Globes Host Jo Koy Confronts Bad Reviews, Admits Taylor Swift Joke Was ‘Weird’ and ‘Flat’: ‘I’d Be Lying’ If I Said Backlash ‘Doesn’t Hurt’

    https://variety.com/2024/tv/news/jo-koy-addresses-golden-globes-monologue-taylor-swift-joke-1235864904/
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,008
    edited January 8

    Court documents allege sex tapes taken of Prince Andrew, Bill Clinton and Sir Richard Branson by Jeffrey Epstein

    https://news.sky.com/story/jeffrey-epstein-court-documents-allege-sex-tapes-taken-of-prince-andrew-bill-clinton-and-sir-richard-branson-13044275

    Wonder who has them? Imagine if they ever came to light...
  • MJWMJW Posts: 1,659
    Ghedebrav said:

    The Tories just don't seem to care. Keir Starmer vising flooded deprived areas in Loughborough, the local Labour councillors have been all over the area for the past few days. The Tory MP nowhere in sight. The town knows Tories don't care, but the Tories can't even be arsed to make an effort. My 80 year old ex neighbour, retired BP lawyer, Tory through and through... voting for Starmer's party to get rid of the government.
    They're done.

    I've some work colleagues in the Loughborough area and they are staggered and astonished by their MP's invisibility (Jane Hunt is her name).

    Seems like MP 101 to me, make with the galoshes and sandbags ASAP, look gravely at some blocked drains and write a concerned letter to the PM.

    This is in a classic bellwether seat as well, so no wonder SKS has been gladhanding the locals. It's an open net.
    I suppose if you don't care and think you're toast regardless and have given up bar appearances, then you'd rather spend the time buttering up the kind of people who might give you your next job than go out in your wellies in the cold and wet.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 53,805
    I vividly remember saying AI would take over virtually all translation work, i said it here on this site, a few years ago. I was roundly scolded for being delusional

    And here we are

    It will only accelerate from here

    “Duolingo laying off most of their translators and having the rest review AI generated translations instead of writing them will be the end game for a lot of white collar work over the next few years.

    From software development to marketing to law, it’s what business will pay for”

    https://x.com/carnage4life/status/1744352646163820751?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw


  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,008
    Andy_JS said:

    Redfield/Winton

    Labour 43% (+1)
    Conservative 27% (+3)
    Reform UK 11% (+1)
    Liberal Democrat 10% (-1)
    Green 5% (-1)
    Scottish National Party 3% (-1)
    Other 2% (–)

    https://redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-gb-voting-intention-7-january-2024/

    The squeeze on "Others" begins?
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,288

    Stocky said:

    Mortimer said:

    FPT:

    ...

    Chris said:

    Chris said:

    Chris said:

    Chris said:

    isam said:

    Farage has accused Sir Keir of not doing anything as DPP about the Post Office prosecutions… at first glance this just seems an ill informed and he has been community noted for it on X, but…

    Sir Keir has now come out and said the Post Office shouldn’t be able to prosecute people, presumably to draw attention to the fact it was nothing to do with him as DPP. A potential problem for him is that he has been parading around depicting his time as DPP as a Sheriff of Justice, riding into town righting any wrongs that unscrupulous corporations and politicians committed… even though he was unable to do anything about it, I think the public might see his Uncle Albert “When I was DPP…” white knight act differently, and maybe that what Farage was getting at

    Or maybe Farage just messed up

    Or maybe Tories these days are so desperate that they have no shame.
    Since when was Farage a Tory? Been a while I reckon....
    That which we call a Tory by any other name would smell as ...
    There is a far wider gulf between Farage and Sunak than there is between Corbyn and the guy who was prepared to sit in his Shadow Cabinet for years as anti-semitism raged in the Labour Party...
    Sorry, but I know what I mean by "Tory", whether inside or outside the Conservative Party. And Farage is a Tory to his roots.
    What an idiotic thing to say!
    It seems to be absolutely standard here to dismiss opinions one disagrees with as "idiotic" or "nonsensical".


    I suppose actually explaining why you hold a different opinion might be a bit too taxing.
    That’s better than “you are stupid” which is your approach.

    Tory is a specific proper noun referring to members of the Tory party. Farage is not a member of the Tory party. Therefore Farage is not a Tory.

    Sometimes it really is that simple
    Dominic Grieve is no longer a member of the Conservative Party. He still calls himself a "one nation Conservative/Tory"
    I am no longer a member of the conservative party but I am a one nation conservative
    I remain a member of the Conservative party, and look forward to voting for a right-wing leader again after Sunak - the most left wing PM of my lifetime - gets pummelled electorally at the next election.

    So you think Sunak is too left wing and BigG thinks Sunak is too right wing, have I got that right?
    Part of the hilarity of Sunak's situation.

    Too right wing for centrists, not right wing enough for right wingers, too incompetent to satisfy those who just want competent government.
    Also too competent for those seeking incompetent government?

    However, backed by voters still lip-smacking (if not eye-watering) over their Rishi Meal Deal.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,394
    Mortimer said:

    FPT:

    ...

    Chris said:

    Chris said:

    Chris said:

    Chris said:

    isam said:

    Farage has accused Sir Keir of not doing anything as DPP about the Post Office prosecutions… at first glance this just seems an ill informed and he has been community noted for it on X, but…

    Sir Keir has now come out and said the Post Office shouldn’t be able to prosecute people, presumably to draw attention to the fact it was nothing to do with him as DPP. A potential problem for him is that he has been parading around depicting his time as DPP as a Sheriff of Justice, riding into town righting any wrongs that unscrupulous corporations and politicians committed… even though he was unable to do anything about it, I think the public might see his Uncle Albert “When I was DPP…” white knight act differently, and maybe that what Farage was getting at

    Or maybe Farage just messed up

    Or maybe Tories these days are so desperate that they have no shame.
    Since when was Farage a Tory? Been a while I reckon....
    That which we call a Tory by any other name would smell as ...
    There is a far wider gulf between Farage and Sunak than there is between Corbyn and the guy who was prepared to sit in his Shadow Cabinet for years as anti-semitism raged in the Labour Party...
    Sorry, but I know what I mean by "Tory", whether inside or outside the Conservative Party. And Farage is a Tory to his roots.
    What an idiotic thing to say!
    It seems to be absolutely standard here to dismiss opinions one disagrees with as "idiotic" or "nonsensical".


    I suppose actually explaining why you hold a different opinion might be a bit too taxing.
    That’s better than “you are stupid” which is your approach.

    Tory is a specific proper noun referring to members of the Tory party. Farage is not a member of the Tory party. Therefore Farage is not a Tory.

    Sometimes it really is that simple
    Dominic Grieve is no longer a member of the Conservative Party. He still calls himself a "one nation Conservative/Tory"
    I am no longer a member of the conservative party but I am a one nation conservative
    I remain a member of the Conservative party, and look forward to voting for a right-wing leader again after Sunak - the most left wing PM of my lifetime - gets pummelled electorally at the next election.

    I wish you every success in your endeavour Mortimer; it certainly condemn the Conservative Party either to the wilderness for many years, or to oblivion.
  • eekeek Posts: 27,671
    edited January 8

    eek said:

    All gone to shit since Dave retired in 2016, no wonder brought Dave back.

    How is the foreign secretary going to give me the 20% increase I would need to match my 2019 pay?
    Sunak quits, Dave replaces him, and brings back George as Chancellor and the economy surges once more under his stewardship.
    "once more"?

    The only growth surge under Osborne was the equivalent annualised rate of 4% that the economy was growing at, by the end of the first two quarters of 2010 when he took over (i.e. 2% over 6 months, that is 2010 Q1 GDP + 0.9%, Q2 +1.1%). Osborne's austerity managed to nip that nascent growth in the bud pretty quickly and never managed to beat Darling's growth legacy in any half year during his entire tenure.
    Indeed, pesky facts, eh?

    Osborne's tenure as Chancellor saw the worst extended spell of economic under-performance in the past 100 years.
    Almost like Osborne inherited a shit economic legacy?

    Can anyone tell us what the drop in economic performance was during Darling's tenure as Chancellor?

    Slow posters like Wulfrun Phil forgets that austerity wasn't a choice, lest we forget this is what Labour were promising if they won the 2010 general election.

    Alistair Darling: we will cut deeper than Margaret Thatcher

    Thinktank warns of 'two parliaments of pain' with spending slashed by 25% to repair black hole in finances


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2010/mar/25/alistair-darling-cut-deeper-margaret-thatcher
    It seems to go back to 2005



    Almost like businesses started to use cheap imported labour as a substitute for investment in productivity improvements.

    Chart comes from https://twitter.com/RichardALJones/status/1698274898685083967
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 69,110

    Nigelb said:

    Re: PO Scandal, am baffled WHY one of the leading culprits appears (at least for now) be totally unrepentant and NOT being held to account, despite holding a top Westminster job under five Conservative prime ministers.

    Larry.

    There's a logical flaw in there.
    Do you mean, logical claw?
    Paws for applause.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 27,586
    Andy_JS said:

    Redfield/Winton

    Labour 43% (+1)
    Conservative 27% (+3)
    Reform UK 11% (+1)
    Liberal Democrat 10% (-1)
    Green 5% (-1)
    Scottish National Party 3% (-1)
    Other 2% (–)

    https://redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-gb-voting-intention-7-january-2024/

    I told you all Rishi had enjoyed a fantastic start to the campaign. Starmer not so much.
  • PoulterPoulter Posts: 62
    MattW said:

    FPT: Memories

    DavidL said:

    IanB2 said:

    Peculiar that both R4 and LBC are talking about "Paula Vennell", missing off the final 's.

    The spelling is curious. Is it not "Venal"?
    This tells us she is a proper wrong ‘un.

    She then studied Russian and French at the University of Bradford, graduating in 1981 with a Bachelor of Arts (BA) degree.
    In the 1980s I believe Bradford was the only UK University which had an actual student exchange with real Russian students visiting every year from Leningrad.

    A few years later I was house sharing with UK students learning Russian in Bradford when that year's group of 16 came over. It was interesting - they all came with food supplies in their luggage so they could reserve the money for consumer durables to take home.

    Very knowledgeable about English literature from the 18/19C - perhaps from Russian authorities teaching Russians caricatures about the UK, and a rather clunky use of selected English idioms as is sometimes characteristic of Germans speaking English eg "I am in two minds".

    Lots of comparisons of the Komsomol to the Scout Movement.

    And it caused mild havoc when one of the Russian students converted to evangelical Christianity whilst in Bradford. :smile:

    Fascinating how you say "UK" (a political regime) and "Russian" (it's highly unlikely that all 16 were Russian) rather than "British" and "Soviet".

    I guess learning caricatures must have explained a knowledge of Wordsworth and Austen etc.
    Were these the first foreigners you met?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,480

    eek said:

    All gone to shit since Dave retired in 2016, no wonder brought Dave back.

    How is the foreign secretary going to give me the 20% increase I would need to match my 2019 pay?
    Sunak quits, Dave replaces him, and brings back George as Chancellor and the economy surges once more under his stewardship.
    About as likely as Sunak quits, Dave replaces him then steps out of Downing Street and says the last 8 years was all a dream.
    "It is time to settle the Cameron question in British politics. I say to the British people: this will be your decision. After I have negotiated a new lease, there will be a very simple in-or-out choice about my residence in Downing Street."
    But No 10 or No 11? And cat flap or dog flap?
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,559

    All gone to shit since Dave retired in 2016, no wonder brought Dave back.

    Yes thank God Dave played no part in everything going to shit eh.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 12,239
    eek said:

    eek said:

    All gone to shit since Dave retired in 2016, no wonder brought Dave back.

    How is the foreign secretary going to give me the 20% increase I would need to match my 2019 pay?
    Sunak quits, Dave replaces him, and brings back George as Chancellor and the economy surges once more under his stewardship.
    "once more"?

    The only growth surge under Osborne was the equivalent annualised rate of 4% that the economy was growing at, by the end of the first two quarters of 2010 when he took over (i.e. 2% over 6 months, that is 2010 Q1 GDP + 0.9%, Q2 +1.1%). Osborne's austerity managed to nip that nascent growth in the bud pretty quickly and never managed to beat Darling's growth legacy in any half year during his entire tenure.
    Indeed, pesky facts, eh?

    Osborne's tenure as Chancellor saw the worst extended spell of economic under-performance in the past 100 years.
    Almost like Osborne inherited a shit economic legacy?

    Can anyone tell us what the drop in economic performance was during Darling's tenure as Chancellor?

    Slow posters like Wulfrun Phil forgets that austerity wasn't a choice, lest we forget this is what Labour were promising if they won the 2010 general election.

    Alistair Darling: we will cut deeper than Margaret Thatcher

    Thinktank warns of 'two parliaments of pain' with spending slashed by 25% to repair black hole in finances


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2010/mar/25/alistair-darling-cut-deeper-margaret-thatcher
    It seems to go back to 2005



    Almost like businesses started to use cheap imported labour as a substitute for investment in productivity improvements.

    Chart comes from https://twitter.com/RichardALJones/status/1698274898685083967
    That's just a product of smoothing. If you look at the actual wavy red line of economic growth it runs up to the financial crisis in 2008. There is a very clear step change from then. 2006 and 2007 were years of strong growth.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 27,586
    TimS said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Redfield/Winton

    Labour 43% (+1)
    Conservative 27% (+3)
    Reform UK 11% (+1)
    Liberal Democrat 10% (-1)
    Green 5% (-1)
    Scottish National Party 3% (-1)
    Other 2% (–)

    https://redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-gb-voting-intention-7-january-2024/

    LLG 58 vs RefCon 38 so a 20% gap in bloc voting vs a 25% gap last time. And a Green vote that continues to decline, as it has done across multiple pollsters for a month or two. I'm surprised, given the fertile ground of the Gaza conflict. It's perhaps the upcoming election focusing the mind.

    Where those Reform votes go come the election (if they exist) will be fascinating to watch.
    They all go Conservative. That gives us just a 5 point gap. How many Labour votes go to the Jezza Party? May 2nd looking promising for Team Rishi
  • PoulterPoulter Posts: 62

    eek said:

    All gone to shit since Dave retired in 2016, no wonder brought Dave back.

    How is the foreign secretary going to give me the 20% increase I would need to match my 2019 pay?
    Sunak quits, Dave replaces him, and brings back George as Chancellor and the economy surges once more under his stewardship.
    And then after the election Dave brings back Nick Clegg?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 27,586
    edited January 8
    Newly fun-washed Nige doubles down on Starmer

    Is that the aroma of toast?

    https://x.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1744368550297452995?s=20

  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,480
  • eekeek Posts: 27,671
    edited January 8

    Newly fun-washed Nige doubles down on Starmer

    Is that the aroma of toast?

    https://x.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1744368550297452995?s=20

    The forthcoming community note reads

    The DPP (CPS) has no right to intervene in *any* private prosecution. It *can* intervene to stop a case when requested or when the DPP is satisfied that the prosecution is malicious or vexatious cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance…. The attorney general can intervene in any prosecution they choose en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nolle_pro…

    But keep on trying to pin the blame on an innocent party - in the same way the Post Office randomly picked on people.
  • eekeek Posts: 27,671

    TimS said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Redfield/Winton

    Labour 43% (+1)
    Conservative 27% (+3)
    Reform UK 11% (+1)
    Liberal Democrat 10% (-1)
    Green 5% (-1)
    Scottish National Party 3% (-1)
    Other 2% (–)

    https://redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-gb-voting-intention-7-january-2024/

    LLG 58 vs RefCon 38 so a 20% gap in bloc voting vs a 25% gap last time. And a Green vote that continues to decline, as it has done across multiple pollsters for a month or two. I'm surprised, given the fertile ground of the Gaza conflict. It's perhaps the upcoming election focusing the mind.

    Where those Reform votes go come the election (if they exist) will be fascinating to watch.
    They all go Conservative. That gives us just a 5 point gap. How many Labour votes go to the Jezza Party? May 2nd looking promising for Team Rishi
    Nope - at best they don't bother getting out of bed...
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,699

    TimS said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Redfield/Winton

    Labour 43% (+1)
    Conservative 27% (+3)
    Reform UK 11% (+1)
    Liberal Democrat 10% (-1)
    Green 5% (-1)
    Scottish National Party 3% (-1)
    Other 2% (–)

    https://redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-gb-voting-intention-7-january-2024/

    LLG 58 vs RefCon 38 so a 20% gap in bloc voting vs a 25% gap last time. And a Green vote that continues to decline, as it has done across multiple pollsters for a month or two. I'm surprised, given the fertile ground of the Gaza conflict. It's perhaps the upcoming election focusing the mind.

    Where those Reform votes go come the election (if they exist) will be fascinating to watch.
    They all go Conservative. That gives us just a 5 point gap. How many Labour votes go to the Jezza Party? May 2nd looking promising for Team Rishi
    Are we supposed to take anything you say seriously?

    Every poll has shown at most one third of Reform support would go back Conservative and that only if no Reform candidate were standing in their constituency.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited January 8

    Could the White Knight have done more???

    Not as straightforward as John makes out - the CPS has the power to take over or end private prosecutions for example that are vexatious or malicious - the Post Office was prosecuting hundreds of people, what interest did the CPS take in it & what if any review did they conduct?

    https://x.com/rupertmyers/status/1744323989743226885?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q


    Further, Seema Misra was prosecuted on behalf of the Post Office by the CPS when Keir Starmer was DPP.

    Misra, recalling the moment she was sentenced to 15 months in prison in 2010, said, "It's hard to say but I think that if I had not been pregnant, I would have killed myself."



    https://x.com/rupertmyers/status/1744324717610258471?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    So not only was Keir Starmer's CPS aware of the Post Office prosecutions, it helped send a pregnant woman to jail:

    https://x.com/rupertmyers/status/1744325100147446098?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    In short I think @Nigel_Farage has a point.

    https://x.com/rupertmyers/status/1744329361958793453?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 118,731
    Carnyx said:
    Hurrah.
  • MJWMJW Posts: 1,659
    TimS said:

    Stocky said:

    Mortimer said:

    FPT:

    ...

    Chris said:

    Chris said:

    Chris said:

    Chris said:

    isam said:

    Farage has accused Sir Keir of not doing anything as DPP about the Post Office prosecutions… at first glance this just seems an ill informed and he has been community noted for it on X, but…

    Sir Keir has now come out and said the Post Office shouldn’t be able to prosecute people, presumably to draw attention to the fact it was nothing to do with him as DPP. A potential problem for him is that he has been parading around depicting his time as DPP as a Sheriff of Justice, riding into town righting any wrongs that unscrupulous corporations and politicians committed… even though he was unable to do anything about it, I think the public might see his Uncle Albert “When I was DPP…” white knight act differently, and maybe that what Farage was getting at

    Or maybe Farage just messed up

    Or maybe Tories these days are so desperate that they have no shame.
    Since when was Farage a Tory? Been a while I reckon....
    That which we call a Tory by any other name would smell as ...
    There is a far wider gulf between Farage and Sunak than there is between Corbyn and the guy who was prepared to sit in his Shadow Cabinet for years as anti-semitism raged in the Labour Party...
    Sorry, but I know what I mean by "Tory", whether inside or outside the Conservative Party. And Farage is a Tory to his roots.
    What an idiotic thing to say!
    It seems to be absolutely standard here to dismiss opinions one disagrees with as "idiotic" or "nonsensical".


    I suppose actually explaining why you hold a different opinion might be a bit too taxing.
    That’s better than “you are stupid” which is your approach.

    Tory is a specific proper noun referring to members of the Tory party. Farage is not a member of the Tory party. Therefore Farage is not a Tory.

    Sometimes it really is that simple
    Dominic Grieve is no longer a member of the Conservative Party. He still calls himself a "one nation Conservative/Tory"
    I am no longer a member of the conservative party but I am a one nation conservative
    I remain a member of the Conservative party, and look forward to voting for a right-wing leader again after Sunak - the most left wing PM of my lifetime - gets pummelled electorally at the next election.

    So you think Sunak is too left wing and BigG thinks Sunak is too right wing, have I got that right?
    Part of the hilarity of Sunak's situation.

    Too right wing for centrists, not right wing enough for right wingers, too incompetent to satisfy those who just want competent government.
    And for a lot of Cameronian types he's both too right wing and too left wing at the same time. Too right wing on culture and Brexit, too left wing on tax and spend.
    I do think he's the Tory Ed Miliband. Both in terms of personality and politics-wise. Geeky and awkward, but quite liked and championed by party/media insiders because he's one of them. Just as heavily involved Labour activist and types media types thought Ed was the sort of person they'd quite like running the country - earnest, nerdy, very into left-wing thought without the rough edges of the far left, Sunak is the kind of person the Spectatorati think should run things. Terribly clever, went to the right school and college, worked in finance, but he's not a toff you know.

    The problem being, what each group likes about them comes across as weakness, arrogance, ineptness, privilege, and aloofness to others.

    Politically there are similarities too. Miliband suffered because he wasn't right-wing enough for those who'd deserted New Labour to the right, but not left-wing enough for the malcontent activist part of the left that wanted (and would get) an unencumbered vessel for their anger.

    Similarly, Sunak's right-wing core beliefs mean he's never going to win back the liberal voters who have drifted away from the party since (but not wholly because of) Brexit. But also doesn't have the blood and thunder tone the 'own the libs', populist anti-establishment section of the electorate that's fed up of the Tories too, want either.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 3,722
    off topic

    Just binge watched Fool Me Once. Really good, kept me guessing to the end.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 69,110
    Just listening to the news, how typical it is that various politicians go on air and talk mainly about Vennells' CBE - as if that discredited bauble really matters.

    They ought rather to concentrate on explaining why they didn't sort out the whole affair half a decade back. And now sort it sharpish.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 50,742
    TimS said:

    moonshine said:

    Is there an American Macron about to burst onto the scene I wonder. Obama and Trump both bent the two party system to their own will. But if the loonies insist on another Biden Vs Trump showdown, perhaps a credible third party candidate (not rfk) might try and smash the two party system from the middle.

    I’m not asking for the moon on a stick. Someone free of child sex and bribery sleaze, no record of inciting insurrection, wants to retain the western alliance and no sign of being in pay of foreign adversaries, doesn’t sh*t his pants, has sufficient marbles to remember which of children are dead and alive, ideally born no earlier than the Beatles first #1.

    Shouldnt be impossible in the social media age.

    Impossible in a FPTP-like system as they have in the US. Macron burst on to the French presidential scene by getting up to about 20% in the polls and then the first round. That was enough in a crowded field to get him into the second round. Whereas a third party candidate in the US realistically has to get up into the 30s in the polls to stand any chance of momentum carrying them through.
    I don't think it's impossible, especially in the social media age.

    The problem would be that most of the people who would have a chance of pulling it off would be afraid of burning their bridges with the establishment, especially the Democrats. In France it was different because the party system has historically been much more volatile and the Socialists were clearly on the way out.
  • eekeek Posts: 27,671
    isam said:


    Could the White Knight have done more???

    Not as straightforward as John makes out - the CPS has the power to take over or end private prosecutions for example that are vexatious or malicious - the Post Office was prosecuting hundreds of people, what interest did the CPS take in it & what if any review did they conduct?

    https://x.com/rupertmyers/status/1744323989743226885?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q


    Further, Seema Misra was prosecuted on behalf of the Post Office by the CPS when Keir Starmer was DPP.

    Misra, recalling the moment she was sentenced to 15 months in prison in 2010, said, "It's hard to say but I think that if I had not been pregnant, I would have killed myself."



    https://x.com/rupertmyers/status/1744324717610258471?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    So not only was Keir Starmer's CPS aware of the Post Office prosecutions, it helped send a pregnant woman to jail:

    https://x.com/rupertmyers/status/1744325100147446098?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    In short I think @Nigel_Farage has a point.

    https://x.com/rupertmyers/status/1744329361958793453?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    How many people work in the CPS - it can't just have been SKS yet all the Tory Groupies seem to think he was a one man superman doing the job of 500 people....
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 69,110
    eek said:

    Newly fun-washed Nige doubles down on Starmer

    Is that the aroma of toast?

    https://x.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1744368550297452995?s=20

    The forthcoming community note reads

    The DPP (CPS) has no right to intervene in *any* private prosecution. It *can* intervene to stop a case when requested or when the DPP is satisfied that the prosecution is malicious or vexatious cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance…. The attorney general can intervene in any prosecution they choose en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nolle_pro…

    But keep on trying to pin the blame on an innocent party - in the same way the Post Office randomly picked on people.
    If we're talking oversight, the sole owner of the business - ie HMG - was considerably better placed, and better informed - to be able to exercise that.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,699
    Evening all :)

    Back in the real world and life returns to what passes for normal with the first R&W poll of the New Year and something for almost everyone.

    Labour retains a comfortable advantage and the Conservatives have recovered from their pre-Christmas slump. The gap remains 16 points and the pool of Don't Knows is only 10% both overall and of the Conservative 2019 cohort which now splits 54% Conservative, 15% Labour, 15% Reform, 10% Don't Know based on likelihood to vote (among all voters the DKs are a bit higher as you would expect).

    The Conservatives have basically lost 30% of their 2019 vote split equally between Labour and Reform with a further 10% between the LDs and Don't Knows so the Conservatives are roughly retaining 60% of their 2019 number. The LDs have lost roughly 30% of their 2019 vote to Labour.

    We are also to believe half the 2019 Green vote has gone to the Conservatives - one bucket of salt please.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 22,030
    edited January 8
    Poulter said:

    MattW said:

    FPT: Memories

    DavidL said:

    IanB2 said:

    Peculiar that both R4 and LBC are talking about "Paula Vennell", missing off the final 's.

    The spelling is curious. Is it not "Venal"?
    This tells us she is a proper wrong ‘un.

    She then studied Russian and French at the University of Bradford, graduating in 1981 with a Bachelor of Arts (BA) degree.
    In the 1980s I believe Bradford was the only UK University which had an actual student exchange with real Russian students visiting every year from Leningrad.

    A few years later I was house sharing with UK students learning Russian in Bradford when that year's group of 16 came over. It was interesting - they all came with food supplies in their luggage so they could reserve the money for consumer durables to take home.

    Very knowledgeable about English literature from the 18/19C - perhaps from Russian authorities teaching Russians caricatures about the UK, and a rather clunky use of selected English idioms as is sometimes characteristic of Germans speaking English eg "I am in two minds".

    Lots of comparisons of the Komsomol to the Scout Movement.

    And it caused mild havoc when one of the Russian students converted to evangelical Christianity whilst in Bradford. :smile:

    Fascinating how you say "UK" (a political regime) and "Russian" (it's highly unlikely that all 16 were Russian) rather than "British" and "Soviet".

    I guess learning caricatures must have explained a knowledge of Wordsworth and Austen etc.
    Were these the first foreigners you met?
    No, not the first.

    "Russian students" was the parlance for both sides - I think perhaps because of the name of the language, and the name of the course.

    "UK" is a country, of course - the "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland".
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 69,110
    MJW said:

    TimS said:

    Stocky said:

    Mortimer said:

    FPT:

    ...

    Chris said:

    Chris said:

    Chris said:

    Chris said:

    isam said:

    Farage has accused Sir Keir of not doing anything as DPP about the Post Office prosecutions… at first glance this just seems an ill informed and he has been community noted for it on X, but…

    Sir Keir has now come out and said the Post Office shouldn’t be able to prosecute people, presumably to draw attention to the fact it was nothing to do with him as DPP. A potential problem for him is that he has been parading around depicting his time as DPP as a Sheriff of Justice, riding into town righting any wrongs that unscrupulous corporations and politicians committed… even though he was unable to do anything about it, I think the public might see his Uncle Albert “When I was DPP…” white knight act differently, and maybe that what Farage was getting at

    Or maybe Farage just messed up

    Or maybe Tories these days are so desperate that they have no shame.
    Since when was Farage a Tory? Been a while I reckon....
    That which we call a Tory by any other name would smell as ...
    There is a far wider gulf between Farage and Sunak than there is between Corbyn and the guy who was prepared to sit in his Shadow Cabinet for years as anti-semitism raged in the Labour Party...
    Sorry, but I know what I mean by "Tory", whether inside or outside the Conservative Party. And Farage is a Tory to his roots.
    What an idiotic thing to say!
    It seems to be absolutely standard here to dismiss opinions one disagrees with as "idiotic" or "nonsensical".


    I suppose actually explaining why you hold a different opinion might be a bit too taxing.
    That’s better than “you are stupid” which is your approach.

    Tory is a specific proper noun referring to members of the Tory party. Farage is not a member of the Tory party. Therefore Farage is not a Tory.

    Sometimes it really is that simple
    Dominic Grieve is no longer a member of the Conservative Party. He still calls himself a "one nation Conservative/Tory"
    I am no longer a member of the conservative party but I am a one nation conservative
    I remain a member of the Conservative party, and look forward to voting for a right-wing leader again after Sunak - the most left wing PM of my lifetime - gets pummelled electorally at the next election.

    So you think Sunak is too left wing and BigG thinks Sunak is too right wing, have I got that right?
    Part of the hilarity of Sunak's situation.

    Too right wing for centrists, not right wing enough for right wingers, too incompetent to satisfy those who just want competent government.
    And for a lot of Cameronian types he's both too right wing and too left wing at the same time. Too right wing on culture and Brexit, too left wing on tax and spend.
    I do think he's the Tory Ed Miliband. Both in terms of personality and politics-wise. Geeky and awkward, but quite liked and championed by party/media insiders because he's one of them. Just as heavily involved Labour activist and types media types thought Ed was the sort of person they'd quite like running the country - earnest, nerdy, very into left-wing thought without the rough edges of the far left, Sunak is the kind of person the Spectatorati think should run things. Terribly clever, went to the right school and college, worked in finance, but he's not a toff you know.

    The problem being, what each group likes about them comes across as weakness, arrogance, ineptness, privilege, and aloofness to others.

    Politically there are similarities too. Miliband suffered because he wasn't right-wing enough for those who'd deserted New Labour to the right, but not left-wing enough for the malcontent activist part of the left that wanted (and would get) an unencumbered vessel for their anger.

    Similarly, Sunak's right-wing core beliefs mean he's never going to win back the liberal voters who have drifted away from the party since (but not wholly because of) Brexit. But also doesn't have the blood and thunder tone the 'own the libs', populist anti-establishment section of the electorate that's fed up of the Tories too, want either.
    Milliband has become an accomplished parliamentarian - and has the sticking power, having lost any prospect of leadership, to be willing to hang around and serve in a future cabinet.
    I doubt either is likely to be true of Sunak.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 69,110
    Nigelb said:

    eek said:

    Newly fun-washed Nige doubles down on Starmer

    Is that the aroma of toast?

    https://x.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1744368550297452995?s=20

    The forthcoming community note reads

    The DPP (CPS) has no right to intervene in *any* private prosecution. It *can* intervene to stop a case when requested or when the DPP is satisfied that the prosecution is malicious or vexatious cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance…. The attorney general can intervene in any prosecution they choose en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nolle_pro…

    But keep on trying to pin the blame on an innocent party - in the same way the Post Office randomly picked on people.
    If we're talking oversight, the sole owner of the business - ie HMG - was considerably better placed, and better informed - to be able to exercise that.
    And, of course, had a responsibility to do so.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,035
    Nigelb said:

    Duolingo laid off a huge percentage of their contract translators, and the remaining ones are simply reviewing AI translations to make sure they're 'acceptable'. This is the world we're creating. Removing the humanity from how we learn to connect with humanity.
    https://twitter.com/Rahll/status/1744234385891594380

    Noteworthy CEOs bring in AI to replace the people doing the actual work, but not to replace themselves. When they are likely more replaceable by AI.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,557
    edited January 8
    Carnyx said:
    You crazy anarchist!
    You haven't added the the dont knows to HYUFD's favoured position, have you?
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