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edited January 8 in General
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Just a quick reminder that entries for PB Predictions Competition 2024 must be posted by 23:59 on Saturday 6th January at the latest. 

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  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,002
    Well done for organising Ben, now we can (mostly) all have a good laugh at ourselves this time next year for how bad our predictions turned out to be!
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,963
    Good morning, everyone.

    My entry:
    1. The smallest Labour lead with a BPC registered pollster in Q1 2024. = 5 points.

    2. Date of the next UK General Election. = 9 May

    3. Party leaders of Con, Lab, LD, SNP, and Reform when the GE is called = Sunak, Starmer, Davey, Yousaf, Tice

    4. UK General Election outcome: winning party + majority (±10%). = Lab, majority 36

    5. 2024 US Presidential Election: nominees for the GOP and Dems. = Trump and Biden

    6. 2024 US Presidential Election: winner. = Trump

    7. UK base rate on 31 December 2024. = 3.5%

    8. UK CPI figure for November 2024 (Nov 2023 = 3.9%). = 2.6%

    9. UK borrowing in the financial year-to-November 2024 (Year to Nov 2023 = £116.4bn). = £134bn

    10. GB total medal haul at the 2024 Olympics ( 2020/21 = 64). = 57
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,469
    More problems for Boeing:

    https://twitter.com/petemuntean/status/1743487804133253264

    An exit 'door' blew out in flight at 16,000 feet; there were no fatalities. The plane was only ten weeks old.

    "On the 737-9 MAX, Boeing includes a rear cabin exit door aft of the wings, but before the rear exit door. This is activated in dense seating configurations to meet evacuation requirements. The doors are not activated on Alaska Airlines aircraft and are permanently “plugged."

    https://www.flightradar24.com/blog/alaska-airlines-737-9-max-exit-door-separates-in-flight/

    So they lost a door that was not even supposed to be a door on that aircraft; just a plug in the fuselage.
  • Twickbait_55Twickbait_55 Posts: 127
    edited January 6
    PB PREDICTIONS COMPETITION 2024

    1. The smallest Labour lead with a BPC registered pollster in Q1 2024. = 13

    2. Date of the next UK General Election. = November 14th 2024

    3. Party leaders of Con, Lab, LD, SNP, and Reform when the GE is called = Same as current leaders

    4. UK General Election outcome: winning party + majority (±10%).= Lab + majority 10.5% - 31

    5. 2024 US Presidential Election: nominees for the GOP and Dems. = Trump > Biden

    6. 2024 US Presidential Election: winner. = Biden (v. narrowly

    7. UK base rate on 31 December 2024. = 3.4%

    8. UK CPI figure for November 2024 (Nov 2023 = 3.9%). = 2.9%

    9. UK borrowing in the financial year-to-November 2024 (Year to Nov 2023 = £116.4bn). = £125 billion

    10. GB total medal haul at the 2024 Olympics ( 2020/21 = 64). = 59
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,466
    edited January 6
    Thanks again, Ben. I'm gratified to find I recognise almost all of those names,but puzzled by the dummy.

    Any clues?

    Edit: Nostradamus?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,127
    One key name missing, who normally would be seeded, the legendary @roger damus.

    Thanks for organising . I don't think my entry will even be close. It is such an unpredictable year.
  • Twickbait_55Twickbait_55 Posts: 127
    Sandpit said:

    Well done for organising Ben, now we can (mostly) all have a good laugh at ourselves this time next year for how bad our predictions turned out to be!

    :-) Indeed! And hell, we all need a good giggle.
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,277
    edited January 6
    Most planes are designed to stay in the air without emergency compensating measures needed . The 737 Max needs those .

    I’m surprised they’ve even put back the Max name . Some carriers try and dupe the public by putting on just the serial number but the engine design is the give away .

    If the door had blown out at a higher altitude and when the passengers might be moving around it would have led to loss of life .


  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,898
    Thanks, Ben. Will you give us an idea of the distribution of responses, eg mean and iqr, once the competition closes? Would be nice to benefit from the wisdom of the PB crowd.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,127
    edited January 6
    Biden full speech in Pennsylvania is here, and we'll worth a listen, it couldn't be more clear.

    https://twitter.com/MeidasTouch/status/1743384856002748782?t=KGqaxBQkrvPmOfTVdmJQFw&s=19

    While Trump rambles on about magnets in water in Iowa.

    https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1743473561837179153?t=U52IE-T89PqYtMtWo064bw&s=19

    And tells the parents of a school shooting in Iowa to get over it.

    https://twitter.com/VABVOX/status/1743495544096292986?t=j4qzZEQJLfr2gqNFG9df0g&s=19
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,469
    nico679 said:

    Most planes are designed to stay in the air without emergency compensating measures needed . The 737 Max needs those .

    I’m surprised they’ve even put back the Max name . Some carriers try and dupe the public by putting on just the serial number but the engine design is the give away .

    If the door had blown out at a higher altitude and when the passengers might be moving around it would have led to loss of life .

    The 737 Max has been an absolute disaster for Boeing. Add onto that the 787, which after 1,100 deliveries still has not broken even - and will not until 1,400 are delivered. In comparison, Airbus' A350 program broke-even in 2019, after about 350 had been delivered. Both the 787 and A350 were brand-new aircraft.

    Boeing are in deep trouble. They can no longer economically or safely make aircraft.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,127
    nico679 said:

    Most planes are designed to stay in the air without emergency compensating measures needed . The 737 Max needs those .

    I’m surprised they’ve even put back the Max name . Some carriers try and dupe the public by putting on just the serial number but the engine design is the give away .

    If the door had blown out at a higher altitude and when the passengers might be moving around it would have led to loss of life .


    Video from the flight here. It does rather put you off a window seat!

    https://twitter.com/chipgoines/status/1743494254733754382?t=w5yQJe_gRMiwAwg2ccZN1g&s=19
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,277
    Foxy said:

    nico679 said:

    Most planes are designed to stay in the air without emergency compensating measures needed . The 737 Max needs those .

    I’m surprised they’ve even put back the Max name . Some carriers try and dupe the public by putting on just the serial number but the engine design is the give away .

    If the door had blown out at a higher altitude and when the passengers might be moving around it would have led to loss of life .


    Video from the flight here. It does rather put you off a window seat!

    https://twitter.com/chipgoines/status/1743494254733754382?t=w5yQJe_gRMiwAwg2ccZN1g&s=19
    I hate flying at the best of times . I suffer it and always sit in an aisle seat , two reasons so I can stick my legs out and move them and so I can’t see too much out of the window !

    Under no circumstances would I fly on a 737 Max .
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,949
    "As Sir Keir Starmer delivered a major speech yesterday, one line leapt out: “I promise this: a politics which treads a little lighter on all our lives.” "

    https://unherd.com/thepost/keir-starmer-is-wasting-his-time-attacking-populism/
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,193
    Foxy said:

    Biden full speech in Pennsylvania is here, and we'll worth a listen, it couldn't be more clear.

    https://twitter.com/MeidasTouch/status/1743384856002748782?t=KGqaxBQkrvPmOfTVdmJQFw&s=19

    While Trump rambles on about magnets in water in Iowa.

    https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1743473561837179153?t=U52IE-T89PqYtMtWo064bw&s=19

    And tells the parents of a school shooting in Iowa to get over it.

    https://twitter.com/VABVOX/status/1743495544096292986?t=j4qzZEQJLfr2gqNFG9df0g&s=19

    Trump's rebuttal.

    Trump responds to Biden’s speech by claiming that Biden stuttered through it. He then does his impression of people who stutter
    https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1743405503030624762

    At least one of the history books is on his side.

    New Russian history book for 11th graders says Trump lost the 2020 elections "as a result of obvious electoral fraud by the Democratic Party"...
    https://twitter.com/marcbennetts1/status/1739414300119208076
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,127
    Nigelb said:

    Foxy said:

    Biden full speech in Pennsylvania is here, and we'll worth a listen, it couldn't be more clear.

    https://twitter.com/MeidasTouch/status/1743384856002748782?t=KGqaxBQkrvPmOfTVdmJQFw&s=19

    While Trump rambles on about magnets in water in Iowa.

    https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1743473561837179153?t=U52IE-T89PqYtMtWo064bw&s=19

    And tells the parents of a school shooting in Iowa to get over it.

    https://twitter.com/VABVOX/status/1743495544096292986?t=j4qzZEQJLfr2gqNFG9df0g&s=19

    Trump's rebuttal.

    Trump responds to Biden’s speech by claiming that Biden stuttered through it. He then does his impression of people who stutter
    https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1743405503030624762

    At least one of the history books is on his side.

    New Russian history book for 11th graders says Trump lost the 2020 elections "as a result of obvious electoral fraud by the Democratic Party"...
    https://twitter.com/marcbennetts1/status/1739414300119208076
    Watch for yourself. Biden speaks with authority and clarity throughout. He clearly is going to run.

  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,730
    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    Foxy said:

    Biden full speech in Pennsylvania is here, and we'll worth a listen, it couldn't be more clear.

    https://twitter.com/MeidasTouch/status/1743384856002748782?t=KGqaxBQkrvPmOfTVdmJQFw&s=19

    While Trump rambles on about magnets in water in Iowa.

    https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1743473561837179153?t=U52IE-T89PqYtMtWo064bw&s=19

    And tells the parents of a school shooting in Iowa to get over it.

    https://twitter.com/VABVOX/status/1743495544096292986?t=j4qzZEQJLfr2gqNFG9df0g&s=19

    Trump's rebuttal.

    Trump responds to Biden’s speech by claiming that Biden stuttered through it. He then does his impression of people who stutter
    https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1743405503030624762

    At least one of the history books is on his side.

    New Russian history book for 11th graders says Trump lost the 2020 elections "as a result of obvious electoral fraud by the Democratic Party"...
    https://twitter.com/marcbennetts1/status/1739414300119208076
    Watch for yourself. Biden speaks with authority and clarity throughout. He clearly is going to run.

    Very risky at his time of life. Surely as a medical man you would advise a gentle stroll instead?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,002

    More problems for Boeing:

    https://twitter.com/petemuntean/status/1743487804133253264

    An exit 'door' blew out in flight at 16,000 feet; there were no fatalities. The plane was only ten weeks old.

    "On the 737-9 MAX, Boeing includes a rear cabin exit door aft of the wings, but before the rear exit door. This is activated in dense seating configurations to meet evacuation requirements. The doors are not activated on Alaska Airlines aircraft and are permanently “plugged."

    https://www.flightradar24.com/blog/alaska-airlines-737-9-max-exit-door-separates-in-flight/

    So they lost a door that was not even supposed to be a door on that aircraft; just a plug in the fuselage.

    Whoops. An actual door would have been less likely to come out.

    Meanwhile, it’s not just the doors, but nacelles as well. The anti-icing heaters can potentially cause overheating and breakup of the structure if left on by accident.
    https://www.gmtoday.com/business/boeing-wants-faa-to-exempt-max-7-from-safety-rules-to-get-it-in-the/article_060478ca-ac0c-11ee-b0fa-7fe6fbf1124d.html
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,730
    Incidentally I note Clarence Thomas has lived down to my expectations by not recusing himself from the Trump case.

    Straw in the wind, methinks.

    Although to be fair, recent straws amount to an entire stack.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,730
    edited January 6
    Biden starts badly. The French were arguably more powerful than the British and they were on the American side.

    Edit - to be fair though, the rest so far is very good.

    Also worth noting how fluent it is, despite the claims of Trump.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,469
    Sandpit said:

    More problems for Boeing:

    https://twitter.com/petemuntean/status/1743487804133253264

    An exit 'door' blew out in flight at 16,000 feet; there were no fatalities. The plane was only ten weeks old.

    "On the 737-9 MAX, Boeing includes a rear cabin exit door aft of the wings, but before the rear exit door. This is activated in dense seating configurations to meet evacuation requirements. The doors are not activated on Alaska Airlines aircraft and are permanently “plugged."

    https://www.flightradar24.com/blog/alaska-airlines-737-9-max-exit-door-separates-in-flight/

    So they lost a door that was not even supposed to be a door on that aircraft; just a plug in the fuselage.

    Whoops. An actual door would have been less likely to come out.

    Meanwhile, it’s not just the doors, but nacelles as well. The anti-icing heaters can potentially cause overheating and breakup of the structure if left on by accident.
    https://www.gmtoday.com/business/boeing-wants-faa-to-exempt-max-7-from-safety-rules-to-get-it-in-the/article_060478ca-ac0c-11ee-b0fa-7fe6fbf1124d.html
    Surely an actual door would have been *more* likely to come out? Doors are things designed to open, and failure of locking mechanisms can always occur. This is a plug in a gap in the fuselage that is *never* supposed to open: you could - should, in fact - put connectors on it that are much more reliable than that of doors.

    I'd expect all 737 Max's of this configuration to be grounded. As it was only ten weeks old, it'll be a manufacturing error, and they'll need to work out why it happened, inspections, and how to prevent it happening again, before they fly again.

    I'm betting they don't, though.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,002

    nico679 said:

    Most planes are designed to stay in the air without emergency compensating measures needed . The 737 Max needs those .

    I’m surprised they’ve even put back the Max name . Some carriers try and dupe the public by putting on just the serial number but the engine design is the give away .

    If the door had blown out at a higher altitude and when the passengers might be moving around it would have led to loss of life .

    The 737 Max has been an absolute disaster for Boeing. Add onto that the 787, which after 1,100 deliveries still has not broken even - and will not until 1,400 are delivered. In comparison, Airbus' A350 program broke-even in 2019, after about 350 had been delivered. Both the 787 and A350 were brand-new aircraft.

    Boeing are in deep trouble. They can no longer economically or safely make aircraft.
    The Netflix documentary on how Boeing shat its own bed over the last 15 years is well worth a watch.
    It’s very good.

    The ancient 737 design has been pushed well beyond where it should have been, they really need to make a start on a clean-sheet replacement. Oh, and have the engineers - rather than the MBAs and bean counters - run the project.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,193
    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    Foxy said:

    Biden full speech in Pennsylvania is here, and we'll worth a listen, it couldn't be more clear.

    https://twitter.com/MeidasTouch/status/1743384856002748782?t=KGqaxBQkrvPmOfTVdmJQFw&s=19

    While Trump rambles on about magnets in water in Iowa.

    https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1743473561837179153?t=U52IE-T89PqYtMtWo064bw&s=19

    And tells the parents of a school shooting in Iowa to get over it.

    https://twitter.com/VABVOX/status/1743495544096292986?t=j4qzZEQJLfr2gqNFG9df0g&s=19

    Trump's rebuttal.

    Trump responds to Biden’s speech by claiming that Biden stuttered through it. He then does his impression of people who stutter
    https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1743405503030624762

    At least one of the history books is on his side.

    New Russian history book for 11th graders says Trump lost the 2020 elections "as a result of obvious electoral fraud by the Democratic Party"...
    https://twitter.com/marcbennetts1/status/1739414300119208076
    Watch for yourself. Biden speaks with authority and clarity throughout. He clearly is going to run.

    I did.
    Best line - “We all know who Donald Trump is. The question is, who are we ?”

    Best fill in the blank - "He's a sick .. [long pause]" ... crowd applauds.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,193
    Pitching for the PB demographic.

    Jodie Foster says generation Z can be ‘really annoying’ to work with

    https://www.theguardian.com/film/2024/jan/06/jodie-foster-generation-z-annoying-interview
    ..“They’re really annoying, especially in the workplace,” Foster joked*. “They’re like: ‘Nah, I’m not feeling it today, I’m gonna come in at 10.30am.’ Or in emails, I’ll tell them: this is all grammatically incorrect, did you not check your spelling? And they’re like: ‘Why would I do that, isn’t that kind of limiting?’”

    *Not sure why the Guardian thought she was joking ?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,002

    Sandpit said:

    More problems for Boeing:

    https://twitter.com/petemuntean/status/1743487804133253264

    An exit 'door' blew out in flight at 16,000 feet; there were no fatalities. The plane was only ten weeks old.

    "On the 737-9 MAX, Boeing includes a rear cabin exit door aft of the wings, but before the rear exit door. This is activated in dense seating configurations to meet evacuation requirements. The doors are not activated on Alaska Airlines aircraft and are permanently “plugged."

    https://www.flightradar24.com/blog/alaska-airlines-737-9-max-exit-door-separates-in-flight/

    So they lost a door that was not even supposed to be a door on that aircraft; just a plug in the fuselage.

    Whoops. An actual door would have been less likely to come out.

    Meanwhile, it’s not just the doors, but nacelles as well. The anti-icing heaters can potentially cause overheating and breakup of the structure if left on by accident.
    https://www.gmtoday.com/business/boeing-wants-faa-to-exempt-max-7-from-safety-rules-to-get-it-in-the/article_060478ca-ac0c-11ee-b0fa-7fe6fbf1124d.html
    Surely an actual door would have been *more* likely to come out? Doors are things designed to open, and failure of locking mechanisms can always occur. This is a plug in a gap in the fuselage that is *never* supposed to open: you could - should, in fact - put connectors on it that are much more reliable than that of doors.

    I'd expect all 737 Max's of this configuration to be grounded. As it was only ten weeks old, it'll be a manufacturing error, and they'll need to work out why it happened, inspections, and how to prevent it happening again, before they fly again.

    I'm betting they don't, though.
    An actual door has a number of large steel pins which keep it in place. The plug is either riveted or more likely glued into the hole, without all the heavy engineering that goes into the door. Dropping the door for a plug is purely to save weight.

    Yes, it’s either a design or manufacturing problem, either of which will ground them all until they’ve worked out the issue.

    Another reminder to always wear your seat belt when you can, as if the hundreds of passenger injuries every year caused by turbulence weren’t enough reason.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,002

    Sandpit said:

    Well done for organising Ben, now we can (mostly) all have a good laugh at ourselves this time next year for how bad our predictions turned out to be!

    :-) Indeed! And hell, we all need a good giggle.
    We probably will all need a giggle by this time next year!
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,469
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    More problems for Boeing:

    https://twitter.com/petemuntean/status/1743487804133253264

    An exit 'door' blew out in flight at 16,000 feet; there were no fatalities. The plane was only ten weeks old.

    "On the 737-9 MAX, Boeing includes a rear cabin exit door aft of the wings, but before the rear exit door. This is activated in dense seating configurations to meet evacuation requirements. The doors are not activated on Alaska Airlines aircraft and are permanently “plugged."

    https://www.flightradar24.com/blog/alaska-airlines-737-9-max-exit-door-separates-in-flight/

    So they lost a door that was not even supposed to be a door on that aircraft; just a plug in the fuselage.

    Whoops. An actual door would have been less likely to come out.

    Meanwhile, it’s not just the doors, but nacelles as well. The anti-icing heaters can potentially cause overheating and breakup of the structure if left on by accident.
    https://www.gmtoday.com/business/boeing-wants-faa-to-exempt-max-7-from-safety-rules-to-get-it-in-the/article_060478ca-ac0c-11ee-b0fa-7fe6fbf1124d.html
    Surely an actual door would have been *more* likely to come out? Doors are things designed to open, and failure of locking mechanisms can always occur. This is a plug in a gap in the fuselage that is *never* supposed to open: you could - should, in fact - put connectors on it that are much more reliable than that of doors.

    I'd expect all 737 Max's of this configuration to be grounded. As it was only ten weeks old, it'll be a manufacturing error, and they'll need to work out why it happened, inspections, and how to prevent it happening again, before they fly again.

    I'm betting they don't, though.
    An actual door has a number of large steel pins which keep it in place. The plug is either riveted or more likely glued into the hole, without all the heavy engineering that goes into the door. Dropping the door for a plug is purely to save weight.

    Yes, it’s either a design or manufacturing problem, either of which will ground them all until they’ve worked out the issue.

    Another reminder to always wear your seat belt when you can, as if the hundreds of passenger injuries every year caused by turbulence weren’t enough reason.
    No. Doors are designed to be opened, and therefore are always a weak point of the structure. There is zero reason for a plug like that to be any weaker than the rest of the plane's structure - at least, no valid reason.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,679
    PB PREDICTIONS COMPETITION 2024

    1. The smallest Labour lead with a BPC registered pollster in Q1 2024. = 14%

    2. Date of the next UK General Election. = 9th May

    3. Party leaders of Con, Lab, LD, SNP, and Reform when the GE is called = Same as current leaders except Tory is Penny Mordaunt

    4. UK General Election outcome: winning party + majority (±10%).= Lab + majority 10.5% - Labour majority 52

    5. 2024 US Presidential Election: nominees for the GOP and Dems. = Haley > Newsom

    6. 2024 US Presidential Election: winner. =Haley

    7. UK base rate on 31 December 2024. = 3.2%

    8. UK CPI figure for November 2024 (Nov 2023 = 3.9%). = 2.7%

    9. UK borrowing in the financial year-to-November 2024 (Year to Nov 2023 = £116.4bn). = £120 billion

    10. GB total medal haul at the 2024 Olympics ( 2020/21 = 64). = 56
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,954
    edited January 6

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    More problems for Boeing:

    https://twitter.com/petemuntean/status/1743487804133253264

    An exit 'door' blew out in flight at 16,000 feet; there were no fatalities. The plane was only ten weeks old.

    "On the 737-9 MAX, Boeing includes a rear cabin exit door aft of the wings, but before the rear exit door. This is activated in dense seating configurations to meet evacuation requirements. The doors are not activated on Alaska Airlines aircraft and are permanently “plugged."

    https://www.flightradar24.com/blog/alaska-airlines-737-9-max-exit-door-separates-in-flight/

    So they lost a door that was not even supposed to be a door on that aircraft; just a plug in the fuselage.

    Whoops. An actual door would have been less likely to come out.

    Meanwhile, it’s not just the doors, but nacelles as well. The anti-icing heaters can potentially cause overheating and breakup of the structure if left on by accident.
    https://www.gmtoday.com/business/boeing-wants-faa-to-exempt-max-7-from-safety-rules-to-get-it-in-the/article_060478ca-ac0c-11ee-b0fa-7fe6fbf1124d.html
    Surely an actual door would have been *more* likely to come out? Doors are things designed to open, and failure of locking mechanisms can always occur. This is a plug in a gap in the fuselage that is *never* supposed to open: you could - should, in fact - put connectors on it that are much more reliable than that of doors.

    I'd expect all 737 Max's of this configuration to be grounded. As it was only ten weeks old, it'll be a manufacturing error, and they'll need to work out why it happened, inspections, and how to prevent it happening again, before they fly again.

    I'm betting they don't, though.
    An actual door has a number of large steel pins which keep it in place. The plug is either riveted or more likely glued into the hole, without all the heavy engineering that goes into the door. Dropping the door for a plug is purely to save weight.

    Yes, it’s either a design or manufacturing problem, either of which will ground them all until they’ve worked out the issue.

    Another reminder to always wear your seat belt when you can, as if the hundreds of passenger injuries every year caused by turbulence weren’t enough reason.
    No. Doors are designed to be opened, and therefore are always a weak point of the structure. There is zero reason for a plug like that to be any weaker than the rest of the plane's structure - at least, no valid reason.
    Read an article a few weeks ago about when something similar happened on a Qantas flight. "No injuries" but a large number of passengers had ear and mental health problems for decades afterwards.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,002
    edited January 6

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    More problems for Boeing:

    https://twitter.com/petemuntean/status/1743487804133253264

    An exit 'door' blew out in flight at 16,000 feet; there were no fatalities. The plane was only ten weeks old.

    "On the 737-9 MAX, Boeing includes a rear cabin exit door aft of the wings, but before the rear exit door. This is activated in dense seating configurations to meet evacuation requirements. The doors are not activated on Alaska Airlines aircraft and are permanently “plugged."

    https://www.flightradar24.com/blog/alaska-airlines-737-9-max-exit-door-separates-in-flight/

    So they lost a door that was not even supposed to be a door on that aircraft; just a plug in the fuselage.

    Whoops. An actual door would have been less likely to come out.

    Meanwhile, it’s not just the doors, but nacelles as well. The anti-icing heaters can potentially cause overheating and breakup of the structure if left on by accident.
    https://www.gmtoday.com/business/boeing-wants-faa-to-exempt-max-7-from-safety-rules-to-get-it-in-the/article_060478ca-ac0c-11ee-b0fa-7fe6fbf1124d.html
    Surely an actual door would have been *more* likely to come out? Doors are things designed to open, and failure of locking mechanisms can always occur. This is a plug in a gap in the fuselage that is *never* supposed to open: you could - should, in fact - put connectors on it that are much more reliable than that of doors.

    I'd expect all 737 Max's of this configuration to be grounded. As it was only ten weeks old, it'll be a manufacturing error, and they'll need to work out why it happened, inspections, and how to prevent it happening again, before they fly again.

    I'm betting they don't, though.
    An actual door has a number of large steel pins which keep it in place. The plug is either riveted or more likely glued into the hole, without all the heavy engineering that goes into the door. Dropping the door for a plug is purely to save weight.

    Yes, it’s either a design or manufacturing problem, either of which will ground them all until they’ve worked out the issue.

    Another reminder to always wear your seat belt when you can, as if the hundreds of passenger injuries every year caused by turbulence weren’t enough reason.
    No. Doors are designed to be opened, and therefore are always a weak point of the structure. There is zero reason for a plug like that to be any weaker than the rest of the plane's structure - at least, no valid reason.
    The door *opening* is the weak point in the *fusleage* design, present whether or not there’s an actual door there.

    Imagine that you replaced a steel door in your house with a non-standard cardboard door; on a windy day that cardboard door is now the weak point, whereas the steel door would be an over-engineered but heavy solution that would stay standing in its frame, as the wood and brick wall disintegrated around it.

    Boeing has inadvertently replaced a steel door with a cardboard door, or at least a door with a cardboard frame.
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,708
    ydoethur said:

    Incidentally I note Clarence Thomas has lived down to my expectations by not recusing himself from the Trump case.

    Straw in the wind, methinks.

    Although to be fair, recent straws amount to an entire stack.

    I don't suppose it'll be close enough to matter but it might be worth having a whip round to buy the Clarence Thomas vote.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,193
    ydoethur said:

    Incidentally I note Clarence Thomas has lived down to my expectations by not recusing himself from the Trump case.

    Straw in the wind, methinks.

    Although to be fair, recent straws amount to an entire stack.

    Some predictions aren't difficult.

    After reading Rick Perlstein's latest article, I'm still considering whether or but to put in a contest entry.
    https://americanprospect.bluelena.io/index.php?action=social&chash=f83630579d055dc5843ae693e7cdafe0.2515&s=7444c8a201ed3d5c335900b1332485a4
    ...Another waaaaay too well-worn journalistic groove is prediction. I have probably read thousands of newspaper opinion column prognostications going back to the 1950s. Their track record is too embarrassing for me to take the exercise seriously, let alone practice it myself. Like bad polls, pundits’ predictions are most useful when they are wrong. They provide an invaluable record of the unspoken collective assumptions of America’s journalistic elite, one of the most hierarchical, conformist groups of people you’ll ever run across. Unfortunately, they help shape our world nearly as much, and sometimes more, than the politicians they comment about. So their collective mistakes land hard...
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,127
    ydoethur said:

    Biden starts badly. The French were arguably more powerful than the British and they were on the American side.

    Edit - to be fair though, the rest so far is very good.

    Also worth noting how fluent it is, despite the claims of Trump.

    This was a few years after we had pretty comprehensively defeated the French worldwide in the Severn years war, notably in Canada and India, so I think it fair to say that the British Empire was the most powerful in the world in 1777, the defeat at Saratoga not withstanding.

    But facts aside, the winter at Valley Forge is part of the foundation myths of the USA. Its not about historical accuracy, it is about invoking the Founding Fathers of America..

  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,954
    Row 26 apparently, if anyone is choosing seats on a 737 in the near future.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,598
    Nigelb said:

    Pitching for the PB demographic.

    Jodie Foster says generation Z can be ‘really annoying’ to work with

    https://www.theguardian.com/film/2024/jan/06/jodie-foster-generation-z-annoying-interview
    ..“They’re really annoying, especially in the workplace,” Foster joked*. “They’re like: ‘Nah, I’m not feeling it today, I’m gonna come in at 10.30am.’ Or in emails, I’ll tell them: this is all grammatically incorrect, did you not check your spelling? And they’re like: ‘Why would I do that, isn’t that kind of limiting?’”

    *Not sure why the Guardian thought she was joking ?

    I saw on TwiX yesterday that the average IQ of an undergraduate is now 102

    We are trying to teach cats to dance. Someone with an IQ of 102 will not benefit in anyway, intellectually, from a proper degree level education. All they will accrue is debt
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,127
    2 more ships going due to problems finding sailors:

    https://twitter.com/larisamlbrown/status/1743373293929828667?t=JkxqV_O0B_Erj2eahIFXUw&s=19

    In large part due to bodged privatisation of recruitment. There are plenty of enquires it seems, just an inability to turn them into sailors.

    https://navylookout.com/royal-navy-failing-to-get-enough-recruits-into-basic-training/
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,963
    Barnesian said:

    2. Date of the next UK General Election. = 9th May

    A fascinating idea. Allows Tory councillors to campaign to try and save the government. Then when they get demolished we have one final week where the right wing media desperately pump out 7 days of SAVE BRITAIN diatribe. Would a Zionev letter do the job? Perhaps one purporting to show how the evil Keith Donkey helped cover up Saville? A forgery of course, but something the Heil and GBeebies can try to make into *the* election issue?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,002
    Eabhal said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    More problems for Boeing:

    https://twitter.com/petemuntean/status/1743487804133253264

    An exit 'door' blew out in flight at 16,000 feet; there were no fatalities. The plane was only ten weeks old.

    "On the 737-9 MAX, Boeing includes a rear cabin exit door aft of the wings, but before the rear exit door. This is activated in dense seating configurations to meet evacuation requirements. The doors are not activated on Alaska Airlines aircraft and are permanently “plugged."

    https://www.flightradar24.com/blog/alaska-airlines-737-9-max-exit-door-separates-in-flight/

    So they lost a door that was not even supposed to be a door on that aircraft; just a plug in the fuselage.

    Whoops. An actual door would have been less likely to come out.

    Meanwhile, it’s not just the doors, but nacelles as well. The anti-icing heaters can potentially cause overheating and breakup of the structure if left on by accident.
    https://www.gmtoday.com/business/boeing-wants-faa-to-exempt-max-7-from-safety-rules-to-get-it-in-the/article_060478ca-ac0c-11ee-b0fa-7fe6fbf1124d.html
    Surely an actual door would have been *more* likely to come out? Doors are things designed to open, and failure of locking mechanisms can always occur. This is a plug in a gap in the fuselage that is *never* supposed to open: you could - should, in fact - put connectors on it that are much more reliable than that of doors.

    I'd expect all 737 Max's of this configuration to be grounded. As it was only ten weeks old, it'll be a manufacturing error, and they'll need to work out why it happened, inspections, and how to prevent it happening again, before they fly again.

    I'm betting they don't, though.
    An actual door has a number of large steel pins which keep it in place. The plug is either riveted or more likely glued into the hole, without all the heavy engineering that goes into the door. Dropping the door for a plug is purely to save weight.

    Yes, it’s either a design or manufacturing problem, either of which will ground them all until they’ve worked out the issue.

    Another reminder to always wear your seat belt when you can, as if the hundreds of passenger injuries every year caused by turbulence weren’t enough reason.
    No. Doors are designed to be opened, and therefore are always a weak point of the structure. There is zero reason for a plug like that to be any weaker than the rest of the plane's structure - at least, no valid reason.
    Read an article a few weeks ago about when something similar happened on a Qantas flight. "No injuries" but a large number of passengers had ear and mental health problems for decades afterwards.
    QF32, an uncontained engine explosion on an A380.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qantas_Flight_32

    Incidentally, a brilliant exercise in teamwork. There were five pilots in the cockpit that day, three of them Captains (thanks to a long flight, the plane being a relatively new type, and line training being undertaken), and they used every one of those five brains to reach a safe conclusion to the flight.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,805

    Thanks, Ben. Will you give us an idea of the distribution of responses, eg mean and iqr, once the competition closes? Would be nice to benefit from the wisdom of the PB crowd.

    Yes, definitely. Hopefully, in a near future thread.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,963
    Eabhal said:

    Row 26 apparently, if anyone is choosing seats on a 737 in the near future.

    Happily Ryanair have the "cram the fekkers in" layout where the whoops apocalypse plug is an actual door.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,019

    Eabhal said:

    Row 26 apparently, if anyone is choosing seats on a 737 in the near future.

    Happily Ryanair have the "cram the fekkers in" layout where the whoops apocalypse plug is an actual door.
    It's amazing that the door isn't an extra really. People are sometimes too harsh on Ryanair.
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,708
    Eabhal said:

    Row 26 apparently, if anyone is choosing seats on a 737 in the near future.

    I always wondered what that icon meant on Seatguru.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,805
    ydoethur said:

    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    Foxy said:

    Biden full speech in Pennsylvania is here, and we'll worth a listen, it couldn't be more clear.

    https://twitter.com/MeidasTouch/status/1743384856002748782?t=KGqaxBQkrvPmOfTVdmJQFw&s=19

    While Trump rambles on about magnets in water in Iowa.

    https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1743473561837179153?t=U52IE-T89PqYtMtWo064bw&s=19

    And tells the parents of a school shooting in Iowa to get over it.

    https://twitter.com/VABVOX/status/1743495544096292986?t=j4qzZEQJLfr2gqNFG9df0g&s=19

    Trump's rebuttal.

    Trump responds to Biden’s speech by claiming that Biden stuttered through it. He then does his impression of people who stutter
    https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1743405503030624762

    At least one of the history books is on his side.

    New Russian history book for 11th graders says Trump lost the 2020 elections "as a result of obvious electoral fraud by the Democratic Party"...
    https://twitter.com/marcbennetts1/status/1739414300119208076
    Watch for yourself. Biden speaks with authority and clarity throughout. He clearly is going to run.

    Very risky at his time of life. Surely as a medical man you would advise a gentle stroll instead?
    We ought to become less risk averse as we age; after all we have less life to lose.

    It's odd that the opposite is generally true.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,002
    DavidL said:

    Eabhal said:

    Row 26 apparently, if anyone is choosing seats on a 737 in the near future.

    Happily Ryanair have the "cram the fekkers in" layout where the whoops apocalypse plug is an actual door.
    It's amazing that the door isn't an extra really. People are sometimes too harsh on Ryanair.
    It’s the lack of door that’s an extra. Not required in low-density seating layouts, saves weight and maintenance costs.

    As @RochdalePioneers points out, not a problem that Ryanair will ever have!
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,193
    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Pitching for the PB demographic.

    Jodie Foster says generation Z can be ‘really annoying’ to work with

    https://www.theguardian.com/film/2024/jan/06/jodie-foster-generation-z-annoying-interview
    ..“They’re really annoying, especially in the workplace,” Foster joked*. “They’re like: ‘Nah, I’m not feeling it today, I’m gonna come in at 10.30am.’ Or in emails, I’ll tell them: this is all grammatically incorrect, did you not check your spelling? And they’re like: ‘Why would I do that, isn’t that kind of limiting?’”

    *Not sure why the Guardian thought she was joking ?

    I saw on TwiX yesterday that the average IQ of an undergraduate is now 102

    We are trying to teach cats to dance. Someone with an IQ of 102 will not benefit in anyway, intellectually, from a proper degree level education. All they will accrue is debt
    For your next PB alias, you should go with either Statler, or Waldorf.
  • Andy_CookeAndy_Cooke Posts: 5,034

    nico679 said:

    Most planes are designed to stay in the air without emergency compensating measures needed . The 737 Max needs those .

    I’m surprised they’ve even put back the Max name . Some carriers try and dupe the public by putting on just the serial number but the engine design is the give away .

    If the door had blown out at a higher altitude and when the passengers might be moving around it would have led to loss of life .

    The 737 Max has been an absolute disaster for Boeing. Add onto that the 787, which after 1,100 deliveries still has not broken even - and will not until 1,400 are delivered. In comparison, Airbus' A350 program broke-even in 2019, after about 350 had been delivered. Both the 787 and A350 were brand-new aircraft.

    Boeing are in deep trouble. They can no longer economically or safely make aircraft.
    At least they can rely on their space business.
    [Looks at Starliner and forecasts about affordability of SLS]
    Oh.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,701
    Foxy said:

    ydoethur said:

    Biden starts badly. The French were arguably more powerful than the British and they were on the American side.

    Edit - to be fair though, the rest so far is very good.

    Also worth noting how fluent it is, despite the claims of Trump.

    This was a few years after we had pretty comprehensively defeated the French worldwide in the Severn years war, notably in Canada and India, so I think it fair to say that the British Empire was the most powerful in the world in 1777, the defeat at Saratoga not withstanding.

    But facts aside, the winter at Valley Forge is part of the foundation myths of the USA. Its not about historical accuracy, it is about invoking the Founding Fathers of America..

    The American Revolution is full of bullshit, which they all seem to actually believe and keep making mythological streaming series and films about it.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,679
    edited January 6
    Although I have predicted Penny Mordaunt as Tory leader at end 2024, I have a hunch it may be Farage, having led a merger with Reform, - though it will probably take longer than a year.

    It will be a bit like the Liberal/SDP merger. He will get a seat in a by-election post the GE and be elected leader.

    Farage is majority owner of Reform so he's the key decision maker, but he is keeping his distance from Reform as he doesn't want to upset Tory members with the confrontation at the next GE.

    He schmoozed with Tory members and MPs at the Tory conference and is popular with many of them.

    He is a visionary and expert political manipulator.

    Watch this space. Farage next but one leader of the Conservative Party renamed "New Conservative" or "The Conservative and Reform Party".

  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,730
    Foxy said:

    ydoethur said:

    Biden starts badly. The French were arguably more powerful than the British and they were on the American side.

    Edit - to be fair though, the rest so far is very good.

    Also worth noting how fluent it is, despite the claims of Trump.

    This was a few years after we had pretty comprehensively defeated the French worldwide in the Severn years war, notably in Canada and India, so I think it fair to say that the British Empire was the most powerful in the world in 1777, the defeat at Saratoga not withstanding.

    But facts aside, the winter at Valley Forge is part of the foundation myths of the USA. Its not about historical accuracy, it is about invoking the Founding Fathers of America..

    You know how many countries were involved in the Seven Years' War, don't you? It wasn't just Britain.

    But yes, I take your main point.

    Also, never been a starry eyed admirer of George Washington but Biden did make a very good point that his voluntary departure from office (which not only established a tradition of two terms honoured until 1940 but led to the first contested election) was absolutely vital in establishing the democratic traditIon in America. Probably his most significant contribution to it, indeed.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,193

    Foxy said:

    ydoethur said:

    Biden starts badly. The French were arguably more powerful than the British and they were on the American side.

    Edit - to be fair though, the rest so far is very good.

    Also worth noting how fluent it is, despite the claims of Trump.

    This was a few years after we had pretty comprehensively defeated the French worldwide in the Severn years war, notably in Canada and India, so I think it fair to say that the British Empire was the most powerful in the world in 1777, the defeat at Saratoga not withstanding.

    But facts aside, the winter at Valley Forge is part of the foundation myths of the USA. Its not about historical accuracy, it is about invoking the Founding Fathers of America..

    The American Revolution is full of bullshit, which they all seem to actually believe and keep making mythological streaming series and films about it.
    Utterly unlike our own glorious narrative ?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,127
    On the subject of predictions, I find this short 1947 film from a French author astonishingly accurate. Apart from the clothes it could have been shot last week:

    https://twitter.com/Rainmaker1973/status/1739555642308755756?t=0Dc-UIQaHBI_XY5rRYdOXA&s=19
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,701
    Foxy said:

    2 more ships going due to problems finding sailors:

    https://twitter.com/larisamlbrown/status/1743373293929828667?t=JkxqV_O0B_Erj2eahIFXUw&s=19

    In large part due to bodged privatisation of recruitment. There are plenty of enquires it seems, just an inability to turn them into sailors.

    https://navylookout.com/royal-navy-failing-to-get-enough-recruits-into-basic-training/

    I know an ex-brigadier from the army who is exasperated about this.

    They used to use semi-retired and invalided ex-service personnel to do this, and they did it well - holding the hands of recruits from start to finish.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,590
    Sandpit said:

    DavidL said:

    Eabhal said:

    Row 26 apparently, if anyone is choosing seats on a 737 in the near future.

    Happily Ryanair have the "cram the fekkers in" layout where the whoops apocalypse plug is an actual door.
    It's amazing that the door isn't an extra really. People are sometimes too harsh on Ryanair.
    It’s the lack of door that’s an extra. Not required in low-density seating layouts, saves weight and maintenance costs.

    As @RochdalePioneers points out, not a problem that Ryanair will ever have!
    It's going to be easier to just put the doors in there in future - yep it may safe a tiny bit if wait and look better but it's clear that "plug" mechanism doesn't work.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,805
    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Pitching for the PB demographic.

    Jodie Foster says generation Z can be ‘really annoying’ to work with

    https://www.theguardian.com/film/2024/jan/06/jodie-foster-generation-z-annoying-interview
    ..“They’re really annoying, especially in the workplace,” Foster joked*. “They’re like: ‘Nah, I’m not feeling it today, I’m gonna come in at 10.30am.’ Or in emails, I’ll tell them: this is all grammatically incorrect, did you not check your spelling? And they’re like: ‘Why would I do that, isn’t that kind of limiting?’”

    *Not sure why the Guardian thought she was joking ?

    I saw on TwiX yesterday that the average IQ of an undergraduate is now 102

    We are trying to teach cats to dance. Someone with an IQ of 102 will not benefit in anyway, intellectually, from a proper degree level education. All they will accrue is debt
    For your next PB alias, you should go with either Statler, or Waldorf.
    Anyone who thinks IQ signifies much is in desperate need of education.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,598
    edited January 6
    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Pitching for the PB demographic.

    Jodie Foster says generation Z can be ‘really annoying’ to work with

    https://www.theguardian.com/film/2024/jan/06/jodie-foster-generation-z-annoying-interview
    ..“They’re really annoying, especially in the workplace,” Foster joked*. “They’re like: ‘Nah, I’m not feeling it today, I’m gonna come in at 10.30am.’ Or in emails, I’ll tell them: this is all grammatically incorrect, did you not check your spelling? And they’re like: ‘Why would I do that, isn’t that kind of limiting?’”

    *Not sure why the Guardian thought she was joking ?

    I saw on TwiX yesterday that the average IQ of an undergraduate is now 102

    We are trying to teach cats to dance. Someone with an IQ of 102 will not benefit in anyway, intellectually, from a proper degree level education. All they will accrue is debt
    For your next PB alias, you should go with either Statler, or Waldorf.
    On the other hand, I am entirely right, aren’t I?

    We are giving expensive university education to people who cannot truly benefit from it (unless you think the social bonds and opportunities offered by uni are THAT valuable - and this I doubt). Yes, the Flynn Effect meant kids got smarter for a while, but they didn’t get vastly smarter, and anyway now the Flynn Effect is in reverse, so the mistake of trying to universalise university is graver

    It’s a fundamental error. We are conning these kids, and saddling them with debt, for no reason whatsoever other than it makes us feel good that “50% of our young people are at university” - and it funds a large education sector. A great proportion of these youngsters would be far better off doing vocational courses, some kind of national/international service, or going straight to work
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,124
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    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    More problems for Boeing:

    https://twitter.com/petemuntean/status/1743487804133253264

    An exit 'door' blew out in flight at 16,000 feet; there were no fatalities. The plane was only ten weeks old.

    "On the 737-9 MAX, Boeing includes a rear cabin exit door aft of the wings, but before the rear exit door. This is activated in dense seating configurations to meet evacuation requirements. The doors are not activated on Alaska Airlines aircraft and are permanently “plugged."

    https://www.flightradar24.com/blog/alaska-airlines-737-9-max-exit-door-separates-in-flight/

    So they lost a door that was not even supposed to be a door on that aircraft; just a plug in the fuselage.

    Whoops. An actual door would have been less likely to come out.

    Meanwhile, it’s not just the doors, but nacelles as well. The anti-icing heaters can potentially cause overheating and breakup of the structure if left on by accident.
    https://www.gmtoday.com/business/boeing-wants-faa-to-exempt-max-7-from-safety-rules-to-get-it-in-the/article_060478ca-ac0c-11ee-b0fa-7fe6fbf1124d.html
    Surely an actual door would have been *more* likely to come out? Doors are things designed to open, and failure of locking mechanisms can always occur. This is a plug in a gap in the fuselage that is *never* supposed to open: you could - should, in fact - put connectors on it that are much more reliable than that of doors.

    I'd expect all 737 Max's of this configuration to be grounded. As it was only ten weeks old, it'll be a manufacturing error, and they'll need to work out why it happened, inspections, and how to prevent it happening again, before they fly again.

    I'm betting they don't, though.
    An actual door has a number of large steel pins which keep it in place. The plug is either riveted or more likely glued into the hole, without all the heavy engineering that goes into the door. Dropping the door for a plug is purely to save weight.

    Yes, it’s either a design or manufacturing problem, either of which will ground them all until they’ve worked out the issue.

    Another reminder to always wear your seat belt when you can, as if the hundreds of passenger injuries every year caused by turbulence weren’t enough reason.
    No. Doors are designed to be opened, and therefore are always a weak point of the structure. There is zero reason for a plug like that to be any weaker than the rest of the plane's structure - at least, no valid reason.
    The door *opening* is the weak point in the *fusleage* design, present whether or not there’s an actual door there.

    Imagine that you replaced a steel door in your house with a non-standard cardboard door; on a windy day that cardboard door is now the weak point, whereas the steel door would be an over-engineered but heavy solution that would stay standing in its frame, as the wood and brick wall disintegrated around it.

    Boeing has inadvertently replaced a steel door with a cardboard door, or at least a door with a cardboard frame.
    Could also be a manufacturing error. Boeing lost a lot of knowledge and skills in its outsourcing phase. There have been quite a few quality problems with delivered aircraft.

    Historical Irony :

    The Comet failure wasn’t square windows - it was multiple issues. One of the chain of problems was that *someone* changed the manufacturing process from punching rivet holes and then drilling them out to size to just punching them.

    Punching a rivet hole in aluminium creates an area around the hole of stressed, cracked metal. Drilling them out takes time but removes this issue.

    Someone took the cheap route, to save time and money.

    Boeing, which had enormous expertise in pressurised skin airframes, did this right in the 1950s. Indeed, one of their employees invented a special drill bit shape for creating beautifully polished, crack free holes in aluminium and made a fortune from the patent.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 9,991
    PB PREDICTIONS COMPETITION 2024

    1. The smallest Labour lead with a BPC registered pollster in Q1 2024. = 13%

    2. Date of the next UK General Election. = 6th June

    3. Party leaders of Con, Lab, LD, SNP, and Reform when the GE is called = Same as current leaders

    4. UK General Election outcome: winning party + majority (±10%).= Lab + majority 7.5% - NOM

    5. 2024 US Presidential Election: nominees for the GOP and Dems. = Trump > Biden

    6. 2024 US Presidential Election: winner. =Biden

    7. UK base rate on 31 December 2024. = 4.7%

    8. UK CPI figure for November 2024 (Nov 2023 = 3.9%). = 3.7%

    9. UK borrowing in the financial year-to-November 2024 (Year to Nov 2023 = £116.4bn). = £170 billion

    10. GB total medal haul at the 2024 Olympics ( 2020/21 = 64). = 28
  • An optimist's predictions for 2024:

    1. The smallest Labour lead with a BPC registered pollster in Q1 2024. 5%

    2. Date of the next UK General Election. 2 May 2024

    3. Party leaders of Con, Lab, LD, SNP, and Reform when the GE is called Sunak, Starmer, Dave, Tice

    4. UK General Election outcome: winning party + majority (±10%). Labour, 45

    5. 2024 US Presidential Election: nominees for the GOP and Dems. Trump, Biden

    6. 2024 US Presidential Election: winner. Biden

    7. UK base rate on 31 December 2024. 2.7%

    8. UK CPI figure for November 2024 (Nov 2023 = 3.9%). 5.2%

    9. UK borrowing in the financial year-to-November 2024 (Year to Nov 2023 = £116.4bn). £105 bn

    10. GB total medal haul at the 2024 Olympics ( 2020/21 = 64). 42
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,193
    Barnesian said:

    Although I have predicted Penny Mordaunt as Tory leader at end 2024...

    Haven't you just predicted her as leader before a general election this May ? (Which seems brave.)

    Of did I misunderstand your entry ?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,598

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Pitching for the PB demographic.

    Jodie Foster says generation Z can be ‘really annoying’ to work with

    https://www.theguardian.com/film/2024/jan/06/jodie-foster-generation-z-annoying-interview
    ..“They’re really annoying, especially in the workplace,” Foster joked*. “They’re like: ‘Nah, I’m not feeling it today, I’m gonna come in at 10.30am.’ Or in emails, I’ll tell them: this is all grammatically incorrect, did you not check your spelling? And they’re like: ‘Why would I do that, isn’t that kind of limiting?’”

    *Not sure why the Guardian thought she was joking ?

    I saw on TwiX yesterday that the average IQ of an undergraduate is now 102

    We are trying to teach cats to dance. Someone with an IQ of 102 will not benefit in anyway, intellectually, from a proper degree level education. All they will accrue is debt
    For your next PB alias, you should go with either Statler, or Waldorf.
    Anyone who thinks IQ signifies much is in desperate need of education.
    Funnily enough I am doing a lot of deep research into child and adolescent psychiatry - catching up with the latest insights and models. They ALL use IQ as a metric; the idea it is some discarded theory is complete bullshit. It is far from a perfect measure, but it is the best measure we have for something we all know exists: human intelligence. G.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,701
    Nigelb said:

    Foxy said:

    ydoethur said:

    Biden starts badly. The French were arguably more powerful than the British and they were on the American side.

    Edit - to be fair though, the rest so far is very good.

    Also worth noting how fluent it is, despite the claims of Trump.

    This was a few years after we had pretty comprehensively defeated the French worldwide in the Severn years war, notably in Canada and India, so I think it fair to say that the British Empire was the most powerful in the world in 1777, the defeat at Saratoga not withstanding.

    But facts aside, the winter at Valley Forge is part of the foundation myths of the USA. Its not about historical accuracy, it is about invoking the Founding Fathers of America..

    The American Revolution is full of bullshit, which they all seem to actually believe and keep making mythological streaming series and films about it.
    Utterly unlike our own glorious narrative ?
    No, but the history is entirely lopsided.

    Look at any "take" on this conflict and whenever the British appear they darken the screen, play baddie music and portray the redcoats as villainous proto-nazis, despite the fact the Patriots inflicted far more atrocities on American civilians than the British ever did and were supremely racist.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,963
    For what it's worth, I think IQ has some value but it's important not to treat it too seriously.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,342

    Foxy said:

    2 more ships going due to problems finding sailors:

    https://twitter.com/larisamlbrown/status/1743373293929828667?t=JkxqV_O0B_Erj2eahIFXUw&s=19

    In large part due to bodged privatisation of recruitment. There are plenty of enquires it seems, just an inability to turn them into sailors.

    https://navylookout.com/royal-navy-failing-to-get-enough-recruits-into-basic-training/

    I know an ex-brigadier from the army who is exasperated about this.

    They used to use semi-retired and invalided ex-service personnel to do this, and they did it well - holding the hands of recruits from start to finish.
    Also people who could be believed when they told you about what life was like in the forces and could answer questions about it. Not some rando from Big Contractor plc.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,679
    Nigelb said:

    Barnesian said:

    Although I have predicted Penny Mordaunt as Tory leader at end 2024...

    Haven't you just predicted her as leader before a general election this May ? (Which seems brave.)

    Of did I misunderstand your entry ?
    You are right. I misread the question. I meant at end 2024. Oh well.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,469
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    More problems for Boeing:

    https://twitter.com/petemuntean/status/1743487804133253264

    An exit 'door' blew out in flight at 16,000 feet; there were no fatalities. The plane was only ten weeks old.

    "On the 737-9 MAX, Boeing includes a rear cabin exit door aft of the wings, but before the rear exit door. This is activated in dense seating configurations to meet evacuation requirements. The doors are not activated on Alaska Airlines aircraft and are permanently “plugged."

    https://www.flightradar24.com/blog/alaska-airlines-737-9-max-exit-door-separates-in-flight/

    So they lost a door that was not even supposed to be a door on that aircraft; just a plug in the fuselage.

    Whoops. An actual door would have been less likely to come out.

    Meanwhile, it’s not just the doors, but nacelles as well. The anti-icing heaters can potentially cause overheating and breakup of the structure if left on by accident.
    https://www.gmtoday.com/business/boeing-wants-faa-to-exempt-max-7-from-safety-rules-to-get-it-in-the/article_060478ca-ac0c-11ee-b0fa-7fe6fbf1124d.html
    Surely an actual door would have been *more* likely to come out? Doors are things designed to open, and failure of locking mechanisms can always occur. This is a plug in a gap in the fuselage that is *never* supposed to open: you could - should, in fact - put connectors on it that are much more reliable than that of doors.

    I'd expect all 737 Max's of this configuration to be grounded. As it was only ten weeks old, it'll be a manufacturing error, and they'll need to work out why it happened, inspections, and how to prevent it happening again, before they fly again.

    I'm betting they don't, though.
    An actual door has a number of large steel pins which keep it in place. The plug is either riveted or more likely glued into the hole, without all the heavy engineering that goes into the door. Dropping the door for a plug is purely to save weight.

    Yes, it’s either a design or manufacturing problem, either of which will ground them all until they’ve worked out the issue.

    Another reminder to always wear your seat belt when you can, as if the hundreds of passenger injuries every year caused by turbulence weren’t enough reason.
    No. Doors are designed to be opened, and therefore are always a weak point of the structure. There is zero reason for a plug like that to be any weaker than the rest of the plane's structure - at least, no valid reason.
    The door *opening* is the weak point in the *fusleage* design, present whether or not there’s an actual door there.

    Imagine that you replaced a steel door in your house with a non-standard cardboard door; on a windy day that cardboard door is now the weak point, whereas the steel door would be an over-engineered but heavy solution that would stay standing in its frame, as the wood and brick wall disintegrated around it.

    Boeing has inadvertently replaced a steel door with a cardboard door, or at least a door with a cardboard frame.
    If you choose to replace that door with a cardboard one, that is. There is zero reason for the plug to be less strong than a normal door: in fact, it should be stronger.

    As for weight: you also need to exclude the weight of the opening and securing mechanisms and escape chute, as it isn't an overwing door.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,590
    Barnesian said:

    2. Date of the next UK General Election. = 9th May

    It wouldn't surprise me to see Rishi wait too long after the budget to call an election and then discover that because of Easter he had to call it 3 days earlier - and we end up with a May 9th election due to stupidity and inability to count.

    A quick calculation tells me that a May 2nd election needs to be called on March 26th.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,730
    edited January 6
    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Pitching for the PB demographic.

    Jodie Foster says generation Z can be ‘really annoying’ to work with

    https://www.theguardian.com/film/2024/jan/06/jodie-foster-generation-z-annoying-interview
    ..“They’re really annoying, especially in the workplace,” Foster joked*. “They’re like: ‘Nah, I’m not feeling it today, I’m gonna come in at 10.30am.’ Or in emails, I’ll tell them: this is all grammatically incorrect, did you not check your spelling? And they’re like: ‘Why would I do that, isn’t that kind of limiting?’”

    *Not sure why the Guardian thought she was joking ?

    I saw on TwiX yesterday that the average IQ of an undergraduate is now 102

    We are trying to teach cats to dance. Someone with an IQ of 102 will not benefit in anyway, intellectually, from a proper degree level education. All they will accrue is debt
    For your next PB alias, you should go with either Statler, or Waldorf.
    On the other hand, I am entirely right, aren’t I?

    We are giving expensive university education to people who cannot truly benefit from it (unless you think the social bonds and opportunities offered by uni are THAT valuable - and this I doubt). Yes, the Flynn Effect meant kids got smarter for a while, but they didn’t get vastly smarter, and anyway now the Flynn Effect is in reverse, so the mistake of trying to universalise university is graver

    It’s a fundamental error. We are conning these kids, and saddling them with debt, for no reason whatsoever other than it makes us feel good that “50% of our young people are at university” - and it funds a large education sector. A great proportion of these youngsters would be far better off doing vocational courses, some kind of national/international service, or going straight to work
    Oh, the networking is definitely vital for those of lesser ability.

    How else do we explain Simon Case as Head of the Civil Service, Spielman as a former Head of OFSTED, Vennells at the Post Office and Johnson and Sunak as PM?
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,453
    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Pitching for the PB demographic.

    Jodie Foster says generation Z can be ‘really annoying’ to work with

    https://www.theguardian.com/film/2024/jan/06/jodie-foster-generation-z-annoying-interview
    ..“They’re really annoying, especially in the workplace,” Foster joked*. “They’re like: ‘Nah, I’m not feeling it today, I’m gonna come in at 10.30am.’ Or in emails, I’ll tell them: this is all grammatically incorrect, did you not check your spelling? And they’re like: ‘Why would I do that, isn’t that kind of limiting?’”

    *Not sure why the Guardian thought she was joking ?

    I saw on TwiX yesterday that the average IQ of an undergraduate is now 102

    We are trying to teach cats to dance. Someone with an IQ of 102 will not benefit in anyway, intellectually, from a proper degree level education. All they will accrue is debt
    The abstract looks like it's this one;

    https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2024.1309142

    Frontiers In... do have a bit of a reputation...

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frontiers_Media

    No link to the paper yet. Two questions I have right now;

    1 The authors are all Canadian; is it Canadian students they are writing about? How many institutions do IQ tests anyway?

    2 If the average IQ is really 102 (and a meta-analysis is only as good as the data fed into it), that implies either that all young people are a lot dimmer, or that students include people with IQs well below average. Or a mix. Is either of those plausible?

    Finally, the usual reminder that Peer Reviewed doesn't mean right, it just means "someone reasonably expert has read this and not found obvious holes".

    I can see the appeal of this headline to some- for example, sixtysomethings who would love to retire from the stage really, but simply can't because the generation below simply aren't up to it. But this article is going to have to work hard to pass the sniff test.

  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,127
    edited January 6

    Foxy said:

    ydoethur said:

    Biden starts badly. The French were arguably more powerful than the British and they were on the American side.

    Edit - to be fair though, the rest so far is very good.

    Also worth noting how fluent it is, despite the claims of Trump.

    This was a few years after we had pretty comprehensively defeated the French worldwide in the Severn years war, notably in Canada and India, so I think it fair to say that the British Empire was the most powerful in the world in 1777, the defeat at Saratoga not withstanding.

    But facts aside, the winter at Valley Forge is part of the foundation myths of the USA. Its not about historical accuracy, it is about invoking the Founding Fathers of America..

    The American Revolution is full of bullshit, which they all seem to actually believe and keep making mythological streaming series and films about it.
    Yes, I had 5 years of schooling in America in the Seventies, and there was a pretty uncritical teaching of the American Revolution and Constitution.

    There have been critiques of both over the years, but the central myths persist despite the obvious flaws in the Constitution, and the increasing ethnic diversity of the USA. That teaching is a core part of assimilation to American values. I see the symbolism of why Biden kicks off the year with such a speech, and at Valley Forge.

    A few years back I saw the musical Hamilton in London, and despite its multi-ethnic cast, and innovative rap and staging it is a very traditional and conservative presentation of American foundation theology.

    I have always loved and been interested in history, and have an inclination to revisionist history that challenges accepted ideas. These revisionists are often wrong but it does stimulate the brain to think more deeply.

    In many ways though myth is more important than fact in politics.

  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,773
    Foxy said:

    2 more ships going due to problems finding sailors:

    https://twitter.com/larisamlbrown/status/1743373293929828667?t=JkxqV_O0B_Erj2eahIFXUw&s=19

    In large part due to bodged privatisation of recruitment. There are plenty of enquires it seems, just an inability to turn them into sailors.

    https://navylookout.com/royal-navy-failing-to-get-enough-recruits-into-basic-training/

    Mothballing Albion and Bulwark actually makes quite a lot of sense in the context of the ongoing slow motion catastrophe. The UK is never going to do an amphibious assault as, much like an airborne assault, it's one of those operations where everybody dies if it goes wrong. It's too politically risky in this age of TikTok and Sky News. Imagine Shappsie fronting up to Kay Burleigh saying 800 booties are brown bread and she pulls that incredulous face that is 40% veneers, 40% botox and 20% hairspray. Better to put what we crew have on the T23s/T45s/CSG.

    The T45 fleet is in particularly shit order at the moment: 2 broken, 3 in refit, 1 working.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,342
    Nigelb said:

    Foxy said:

    ydoethur said:

    Biden starts badly. The French were arguably more powerful than the British and they were on the American side.

    Edit - to be fair though, the rest so far is very good.

    Also worth noting how fluent it is, despite the claims of Trump.

    This was a few years after we had pretty comprehensively defeated the French worldwide in the Severn years war, notably in Canada and India, so I think it fair to say that the British Empire was the most powerful in the world in 1777, the defeat at Saratoga not withstanding.

    But facts aside, the winter at Valley Forge is part of the foundation myths of the USA. Its not about historical accuracy, it is about invoking the Founding Fathers of America..

    The American Revolution is full of bullshit, which they all seem to actually believe and keep making mythological streaming series and films about it.
    Utterly unlike our own glorious narrative ?
    Indeed, there is an Approved Tory Narrative - I think by those chaps Sellars and Yeatman - which puts it in a way suitable for CR:

    "The War with the Americans is memorable as being the only war in which the English were ever defeated, and it was unfair because the Americans had the Allies on their side. In some ways the war was really a draw, since England remained top nation and had the Allies afterwards, while the Americans, in memory of George III's madness, still refuse to drink tea and go on pouring anything the English send them to diink into Boston Harbour.
    After this the Americans made Whittington President and gave up speaking English and became U.S.A. and Columbia and 100%, etc. This was a Good Thing in the end, as it was a cause of the British Empire, but it prevented America from having any more History."
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,473
    ydoethur said:

    Biden starts badly. The French were arguably more powerful than the British and they were on the American side.

    Edit - to be fair though, the rest so far is very good.

    Also worth noting how fluent it is, despite the claims of Trump.

    Meanwhile, Trump just said that magnets don’t work if you get them wet.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,890
    edited January 6
    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Pitching for the PB demographic.

    Jodie Foster says generation Z can be ‘really annoying’ to work with

    https://www.theguardian.com/film/2024/jan/06/jodie-foster-generation-z-annoying-interview
    ..“They’re really annoying, especially in the workplace,” Foster joked*. “They’re like: ‘Nah, I’m not feeling it today, I’m gonna come in at 10.30am.’ Or in emails, I’ll tell them: this is all grammatically incorrect, did you not check your spelling? And they’re like: ‘Why would I do that, isn’t that kind of limiting?’”

    *Not sure why the Guardian thought she was joking ?

    I saw on TwiX yesterday that the average IQ of an undergraduate is now 102

    We are trying to teach cats to dance. Someone with an IQ of 102 will not benefit in anyway, intellectually, from a proper degree level education. All they will accrue is debt
    For your next PB alias, you should go with either Statler, or Waldorf.
    On the other hand, I am entirely right, aren’t I?

    We are giving expensive university education to people who cannot truly benefit from it (unless you think the social bonds and opportunities offered by uni are THAT valuable - and this I doubt). Yes, the Flynn Effect meant kids got smarter for a while, but they didn’t get vastly smarter, and anyway now the Flynn Effect is in reverse, so the mistake of trying to universalise university is graver

    It’s a fundamental error. We are conning these kids, and saddling them with debt, for no reason whatsoever other than it makes us feel good that “50% of our young people are at university” - and it funds a large education sector. A great proportion of these youngsters would be far better off doing vocational courses, some kind of national/international service, or going straight to work
    That is a classic case of "Conductor, being as I am on the bus you can now ring the bell, don't concern yourself with all those queued at the bus stop".

    You enjoyed your three years at University College in what you have suggested was a glorious drunken, drug addled paradise, where in your moments of cogence you sired beautiful former public schoolgirls. And all as a freebie from HMG.

    You are nonetheless demanding generations following you are deprived of this life, even if they have to pay for it themselves. They can toil down the coalmines!
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,002

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    More problems for Boeing:

    https://twitter.com/petemuntean/status/1743487804133253264

    An exit 'door' blew out in flight at 16,000 feet; there were no fatalities. The plane was only ten weeks old.

    "On the 737-9 MAX, Boeing includes a rear cabin exit door aft of the wings, but before the rear exit door. This is activated in dense seating configurations to meet evacuation requirements. The doors are not activated on Alaska Airlines aircraft and are permanently “plugged."

    https://www.flightradar24.com/blog/alaska-airlines-737-9-max-exit-door-separates-in-flight/

    So they lost a door that was not even supposed to be a door on that aircraft; just a plug in the fuselage.

    Whoops. An actual door would have been less likely to come out.

    Meanwhile, it’s not just the doors, but nacelles as well. The anti-icing heaters can potentially cause overheating and breakup of the structure if left on by accident.
    https://www.gmtoday.com/business/boeing-wants-faa-to-exempt-max-7-from-safety-rules-to-get-it-in-the/article_060478ca-ac0c-11ee-b0fa-7fe6fbf1124d.html
    Surely an actual door would have been *more* likely to come out? Doors are things designed to open, and failure of locking mechanisms can always occur. This is a plug in a gap in the fuselage that is *never* supposed to open: you could - should, in fact - put connectors on it that are much more reliable than that of doors.

    I'd expect all 737 Max's of this configuration to be grounded. As it was only ten weeks old, it'll be a manufacturing error, and they'll need to work out why it happened, inspections, and how to prevent it happening again, before they fly again.

    I'm betting they don't, though.
    An actual door has a number of large steel pins which keep it in place. The plug is either riveted or more likely glued into the hole, without all the heavy engineering that goes into the door. Dropping the door for a plug is purely to save weight.

    Yes, it’s either a design or manufacturing problem, either of which will ground them all until they’ve worked out the issue.

    Another reminder to always wear your seat belt when you can, as if the hundreds of passenger injuries every year caused by turbulence weren’t enough reason.
    No. Doors are designed to be opened, and therefore are always a weak point of the structure. There is zero reason for a plug like that to be any weaker than the rest of the plane's structure - at least, no valid reason.
    The door *opening* is the weak point in the *fusleage* design, present whether or not there’s an actual door there.

    Imagine that you replaced a steel door in your house with a non-standard cardboard door; on a windy day that cardboard door is now the weak point, whereas the steel door would be an over-engineered but heavy solution that would stay standing in its frame, as the wood and brick wall disintegrated around it.

    Boeing has inadvertently replaced a steel door with a cardboard door, or at least a door with a cardboard frame.
    If you choose to replace that door with a cardboard one, that is. There is zero reason for the plug to be less strong than a normal door: in fact, it should be stronger.

    As for weight: you also need to exclude the weight of the opening and securing mechanisms and escape chute, as it isn't an overwing door.
    Oh, of course it’s possible to design a door plug that is both stronger than the door and considerably lighter.

    It’s just that Boeing haven’t done that. They’ve either designed or manufactured a plug that’s the weakest point of the entire pressurised structure.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,598

    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Pitching for the PB demographic.

    Jodie Foster says generation Z can be ‘really annoying’ to work with

    https://www.theguardian.com/film/2024/jan/06/jodie-foster-generation-z-annoying-interview
    ..“They’re really annoying, especially in the workplace,” Foster joked*. “They’re like: ‘Nah, I’m not feeling it today, I’m gonna come in at 10.30am.’ Or in emails, I’ll tell them: this is all grammatically incorrect, did you not check your spelling? And they’re like: ‘Why would I do that, isn’t that kind of limiting?’”

    *Not sure why the Guardian thought she was joking ?

    I saw on TwiX yesterday that the average IQ of an undergraduate is now 102

    We are trying to teach cats to dance. Someone with an IQ of 102 will not benefit in anyway, intellectually, from a proper degree level education. All they will accrue is debt
    The abstract looks like it's this one;

    https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2024.1309142

    Frontiers In... do have a bit of a reputation...

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frontiers_Media

    No link to the paper yet. Two questions I have right now;

    1 The authors are all Canadian; is it Canadian students they are writing about? How many institutions do IQ tests anyway?

    2 If the average IQ is really 102 (and a meta-analysis is only as good as the data fed into it), that implies either that all young people are a lot dimmer, or that students include people with IQs well below average. Or a mix. Is either of those plausible?

    Finally, the usual reminder that Peer Reviewed doesn't mean right, it just means "someone reasonably expert has read this and not found obvious holes".

    I can see the appeal of this headline to some- for example, sixtysomethings who would love to retire from the stage really, but simply can't because the generation below simply aren't up to it. But this article is going to have to work hard to pass the sniff test.

    I’ve no idea if that paper is the origin, I read it when I was researching AI (tho I do see they publish on AI as well)

    Either way you will have to work harder to dismiss it than just “Oh I don’t like It, take it away”

  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,342
    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    ydoethur said:

    Biden starts badly. The French were arguably more powerful than the British and they were on the American side.

    Edit - to be fair though, the rest so far is very good.

    Also worth noting how fluent it is, despite the claims of Trump.

    This was a few years after we had pretty comprehensively defeated the French worldwide in the Severn years war, notably in Canada and India, so I think it fair to say that the British Empire was the most powerful in the world in 1777, the defeat at Saratoga not withstanding.

    But facts aside, the winter at Valley Forge is part of the foundation myths of the USA. Its not about historical accuracy, it is about invoking the Founding Fathers of America..

    The American Revolution is full of bullshit, which they all seem to actually believe and keep making mythological streaming series and films about it.
    Yes, I had 5 years of schooling in America in the Seventies, and there was a pretty uncritical teaching of the American Revolution and Constitution.

    There have been critiques of both over the years, but the central myths persist despite the obvious flaws in the Constitution, and the increasing ethnic diversity of the USA. That teaching is a core part of assimilation to American values. I see the symbolism of why Biden kicks off the year with such a speech, and at Valley Forge.

    A few years back I saw the musical Hamilton in London, and despite its multi-ethnic cast, and innovative rap and staging it is a very traditional and conservative presentation of American foundation theology.

    I have always loved and been interested in history, and have an inclination to revisionist history that challenges accepted ideas. These revisionists are often wrong but it does stimulate the brain to think more deeply.

    In many ways though myth is more important than fact in politics.

    Went to the (temporary visiting) exhibition of fossil elephants (incl. mammoths, mastodons etc.) in the Museum in Edinburgh a few years back - it included Jefferson and his liking for fossil elephants, and his hope that living ones would turn up as the West was explored and opened up.

    Of course, he also liked slaves rather more than some conservatives like to discuss.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,147
    Barnesian said:

    Although I have predicted Penny Mordaunt as Tory leader at end 2024, I have a hunch it may be Farage, having led a merger with Reform, - though it will probably take longer than a year.

    It will be a bit like the Liberal/SDP merger. He will get a seat in a by-election post the GE and be elected leader.

    Farage is majority owner of Reform so he's the key decision maker, but he is keeping his distance from Reform as he doesn't want to upset Tory members with the confrontation at the next GE.

    He schmoozed with Tory members and MPs at the Tory conference and is popular with many of them.

    He is a visionary and expert political manipulator.

    Watch this space. Farage next but one leader of the Conservative Party renamed "New Conservative" or "The Conservative and Reform Party".

    The sweepstake would then be, how many decades in opposition?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,598
    PB should note that I am now successfully on hour 66 of my five day water fast and my brain is now

    1. Working at a phenomenal level of acuity as I reach peak ketosis and my entire focus is on the tasty gazelle that I hitherto missed

    Or

    2. Shutting down in a final flurry of surreal, disorganised paranoias
  • eekeek Posts: 28,590
    edited January 6
    1. The smallest Labour lead with a BPC registered pollster in Q1 2024. 12%

    2. Date of the next UK General Election. 14 November 2024

    3. Party leaders of Con, Lab, LD, SNP, and Reform when the GE is called Sunak, Starmer, Dave, Tice

    4. UK General Election outcome: winning party + majority (±10%). Labour, 145

    5. 2024 US Presidential Election: nominees for the GOP and Dems. Haley, Biden

    6. 2024 US Presidential Election: winner. Biden

    7. UK base rate on 31 December 2024. 4.25%

    8. UK CPI figure for November 2024 (Nov 2023 = 3.9%). 3.3%

    9. UK borrowing in the financial year-to-November 2024 (Year to Nov 2023 = £116.4bn). £124 bn

    10. GB total medal haul at the 2024 Olympics ( 2020/21 = 64). 52
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,147
    Leon said:

    PB should note that I am now successfully on hour 66 of my five day water fast and my brain is now

    1. Working at a phenomenal level of acuity as I reach peak ketosis and my entire focus is on the tasty gazelle that I hitherto missed

    Or

    2. Shutting down in a final flurry of surreal, disorganised paranoias

    But you're just making the same rambling incoherent barely-thought-through posts as on any other morning?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,124

    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Pitching for the PB demographic.

    Jodie Foster says generation Z can be ‘really annoying’ to work with

    https://www.theguardian.com/film/2024/jan/06/jodie-foster-generation-z-annoying-interview
    ..“They’re really annoying, especially in the workplace,” Foster joked*. “They’re like: ‘Nah, I’m not feeling it today, I’m gonna come in at 10.30am.’ Or in emails, I’ll tell them: this is all grammatically incorrect, did you not check your spelling? And they’re like: ‘Why would I do that, isn’t that kind of limiting?’”

    *Not sure why the Guardian thought she was joking ?

    I saw on TwiX yesterday that the average IQ of an undergraduate is now 102

    We are trying to teach cats to dance. Someone with an IQ of 102 will not benefit in anyway, intellectually, from a proper degree level education. All they will accrue is debt
    For your next PB alias, you should go with either Statler, or Waldorf.
    On the other hand, I am entirely right, aren’t I?

    We are giving expensive university education to people who cannot truly benefit from it (unless you think the social bonds and opportunities offered by uni are THAT valuable - and this I doubt). Yes, the Flynn Effect meant kids got smarter for a while, but they didn’t get vastly smarter, and anyway now the Flynn Effect is in reverse, so the mistake of trying to universalise university is graver

    It’s a fundamental error. We are conning these kids, and saddling them with debt, for no reason whatsoever other than it makes us feel good that “50% of our young people are at university” - and it funds a large education sector. A great proportion of these youngsters would be far better off doing vocational courses, some kind of national/international service, or going straight to work
    That is a classic case of "Conductor, being as I am on the bus you can now ring the bell, don't concern yourself with all those queued at the bus stop".

    You enjoyed your three years at University College in what you have suggested was a glorious drunken, drug addled paradise, where in your moments of cogence you sired beautiful former public schoolgirls. And all as a freebie from HMG.

    You are nonetheless demanding generations following you are deprived of this life, even if they have to pay for it themselves. They can toil down the coalmines!
    The real problem is that, in many cases, they get to toil in the coal mines. After their degree in shagging.

    Meanwhile we have a number of skill shortages, for well paid jobs, in the U.K.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,127
    Barnesian said:

    Nigelb said:

    Barnesian said:

    Although I have predicted Penny Mordaunt as Tory leader at end 2024...

    Haven't you just predicted her as leader before a general election this May ? (Which seems brave.)

    Of did I misunderstand your entry ?
    You are right. I misread the question. I meant at end 2024. Oh well.
    Predicting who is leader at the end of 2024 for all parties is an interesting game, though perhaps mid 2025 is fairer to allow time for leadership contests.

    So by Conference season 2025 I expect the following:

    Labour: Starmer

    Conservative: Badenoch

    Liberal Democrats: Cooper

    SNP: Yousef

    Reform: Tice

    Green: Denyer/Ramsey

  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,773
    Carnyx said:

    Foxy said:

    2 more ships going due to problems finding sailors:

    https://twitter.com/larisamlbrown/status/1743373293929828667?t=JkxqV_O0B_Erj2eahIFXUw&s=19

    In large part due to bodged privatisation of recruitment. There are plenty of enquires it seems, just an inability to turn them into sailors.

    https://navylookout.com/royal-navy-failing-to-get-enough-recruits-into-basic-training/

    I know an ex-brigadier from the army who is exasperated about this.

    They used to use semi-retired and invalided ex-service personnel to do this, and they did it well - holding the hands of recruits from start to finish.
    Also people who could be believed when they told you about what life was like in the forces and could answer questions about it. Not some rando from Big Contractor plc.
    When I joined (the RN Dragon Rider Corps in the Napoleonic Wars) I dealt only with active duty RN from the moment I stepped inside the recruitment office. The sole civvie was an ex RN Chirurgeon/GP, who did my medical and asked thinly veiled questions designed to screen out LGTBQ+ types.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,598
    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    PB should note that I am now successfully on hour 66 of my five day water fast and my brain is now

    1. Working at a phenomenal level of acuity as I reach peak ketosis and my entire focus is on the tasty gazelle that I hitherto missed

    Or

    2. Shutting down in a final flurry of surreal, disorganised paranoias

    But you're just making the same rambling incoherent barely-thought-through posts as on any other morning?
    So, both are true

    Interesting
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,890
    Leon said:

    PB should note that I am now successfully on hour 66 of my five day water fast and my brain is now

    1. Working at a phenomenal level of acuity as I reach peak ketosis and my entire focus is on the tasty gazelle that I hitherto missed

    Or

    2. Shutting down in a final flurry of surreal, disorganised paranoias

    Hands up if you are interested in Leon's alternative thread (the same alternative thread, by the way, as yesterday which did coincidentally gain rather a lot of traction).

    No? Come on, some of you? One of you?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,598

    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Pitching for the PB demographic.

    Jodie Foster says generation Z can be ‘really annoying’ to work with

    https://www.theguardian.com/film/2024/jan/06/jodie-foster-generation-z-annoying-interview
    ..“They’re really annoying, especially in the workplace,” Foster joked*. “They’re like: ‘Nah, I’m not feeling it today, I’m gonna come in at 10.30am.’ Or in emails, I’ll tell them: this is all grammatically incorrect, did you not check your spelling? And they’re like: ‘Why would I do that, isn’t that kind of limiting?’”

    *Not sure why the Guardian thought she was joking ?

    I saw on TwiX yesterday that the average IQ of an undergraduate is now 102

    We are trying to teach cats to dance. Someone with an IQ of 102 will not benefit in anyway, intellectually, from a proper degree level education. All they will accrue is debt
    For your next PB alias, you should go with either Statler, or Waldorf.
    On the other hand, I am entirely right, aren’t I?

    We are giving expensive university education to people who cannot truly benefit from it (unless you think the social bonds and opportunities offered by uni are THAT valuable - and this I doubt). Yes, the Flynn Effect meant kids got smarter for a while, but they didn’t get vastly smarter, and anyway now the Flynn Effect is in reverse, so the mistake of trying to universalise university is graver

    It’s a fundamental error. We are conning these kids, and saddling them with debt, for no reason whatsoever other than it makes us feel good that “50% of our young people are at university” - and it funds a large education sector. A great proportion of these youngsters would be far better off doing vocational courses, some kind of national/international service, or going straight to work
    That is a classic case of "Conductor, being as I am on the bus you can now ring the bell, don't concern yourself with all those queued at the bus stop".

    You enjoyed your three years at University College in what you have suggested was a glorious drunken, drug addled paradise, where in your moments of cogence you sired beautiful former public schoolgirls. And all as a freebie from HMG.

    You are nonetheless demanding generations following you are deprived of this life, even if they have to pay for it themselves. They can toil down the coalmines!
    No, I am being altruistic and philosophical, as normal. I want what is best for humans, young people, my country, and so on

    If everyone can have the experience I had at UCL then fabulous, let them do it (and mine meant I emerged debt free, as HMG paid for me). But that is not what we are offering kids today, is it? We are saying: do this degree which you are not going to benefit from, intellectually, rack up massive debt to do it, worry so much about the debt you don’t really enjoy it, either, and do it all in some ludicrous non-university in West Bromwich

    I get that bleakly middlebrow drones like @Stuartinromford are deeply and personally invested in the continuance of a grossly bloated higher education sector, I am entirely unsure why we should fuck with young people’s futures to keep his ilk happy
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,954
    Dura_Ace said:

    Foxy said:

    2 more ships going due to problems finding sailors:

    https://twitter.com/larisamlbrown/status/1743373293929828667?t=JkxqV_O0B_Erj2eahIFXUw&s=19

    In large part due to bodged privatisation of recruitment. There are plenty of enquires it seems, just an inability to turn them into sailors.

    https://navylookout.com/royal-navy-failing-to-get-enough-recruits-into-basic-training/

    Mothballing Albion and Bulwark actually makes quite a lot of sense in the context of the ongoing slow motion catastrophe. The UK is never going to do an amphibious assault as, much like an airborne assault, it's one of those operations where everybody dies if it goes wrong. It's too politically risky in this age of TikTok and Sky News. Imagine Shappsie fronting up to Kay Burleigh saying 800 booties are brown bread and she pulls that incredulous face that is 40% veneers, 40% botox and 20% hairspray. Better to put what we crew have on the T23s/T45s/CSG.

    The T45 fleet is in particularly shit order at the moment: 2 broken, 3 in refit, 1 working.
    I would guess that the inability of the Royal Navy to protect the UK's gas imports from Qatar might be slightly more important than the granting of a few licenses in the North Sea.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,124
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    More problems for Boeing:

    https://twitter.com/petemuntean/status/1743487804133253264

    An exit 'door' blew out in flight at 16,000 feet; there were no fatalities. The plane was only ten weeks old.

    "On the 737-9 MAX, Boeing includes a rear cabin exit door aft of the wings, but before the rear exit door. This is activated in dense seating configurations to meet evacuation requirements. The doors are not activated on Alaska Airlines aircraft and are permanently “plugged."

    https://www.flightradar24.com/blog/alaska-airlines-737-9-max-exit-door-separates-in-flight/

    So they lost a door that was not even supposed to be a door on that aircraft; just a plug in the fuselage.

    Whoops. An actual door would have been less likely to come out.

    Meanwhile, it’s not just the doors, but nacelles as well. The anti-icing heaters can potentially cause overheating and breakup of the structure if left on by accident.
    https://www.gmtoday.com/business/boeing-wants-faa-to-exempt-max-7-from-safety-rules-to-get-it-in-the/article_060478ca-ac0c-11ee-b0fa-7fe6fbf1124d.html
    Surely an actual door would have been *more* likely to come out? Doors are things designed to open, and failure of locking mechanisms can always occur. This is a plug in a gap in the fuselage that is *never* supposed to open: you could - should, in fact - put connectors on it that are much more reliable than that of doors.

    I'd expect all 737 Max's of this configuration to be grounded. As it was only ten weeks old, it'll be a manufacturing error, and they'll need to work out why it happened, inspections, and how to prevent it happening again, before they fly again.

    I'm betting they don't, though.
    An actual door has a number of large steel pins which keep it in place. The plug is either riveted or more likely glued into the hole, without all the heavy engineering that goes into the door. Dropping the door for a plug is purely to save weight.

    Yes, it’s either a design or manufacturing problem, either of which will ground them all until they’ve worked out the issue.

    Another reminder to always wear your seat belt when you can, as if the hundreds of passenger injuries every year caused by turbulence weren’t enough reason.
    No. Doors are designed to be opened, and therefore are always a weak point of the structure. There is zero reason for a plug like that to be any weaker than the rest of the plane's structure - at least, no valid reason.
    The door *opening* is the weak point in the *fusleage* design, present whether or not there’s an actual door there.

    Imagine that you replaced a steel door in your house with a non-standard cardboard door; on a windy day that cardboard door is now the weak point, whereas the steel door would be an over-engineered but heavy solution that would stay standing in its frame, as the wood and brick wall disintegrated around it.

    Boeing has inadvertently replaced a steel door with a cardboard door, or at least a door with a cardboard frame.
    If you choose to replace that door with a cardboard one, that is. There is zero reason for the plug to be less strong than a normal door: in fact, it should be stronger.

    As for weight: you also need to exclude the weight of the opening and securing mechanisms and escape chute, as it isn't an overwing door.
    Oh, of course it’s possible to design a door plug that is both stronger than the door and considerably lighter.

    It’s just that Boeing haven’t done that. They’ve either designed or manufactured a plug that’s the weakest point of the entire pressurised structure.
    If the stuff I’ve found online is correct, the plug is actually the external part of the regular emergency exit door, with the latching system bolted closed and the opening mechanism removed. Inside the aircraft, it’s just a regular interior panel - no sign of a door.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,890

    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Pitching for the PB demographic.

    Jodie Foster says generation Z can be ‘really annoying’ to work with

    https://www.theguardian.com/film/2024/jan/06/jodie-foster-generation-z-annoying-interview
    ..“They’re really annoying, especially in the workplace,” Foster joked*. “They’re like: ‘Nah, I’m not feeling it today, I’m gonna come in at 10.30am.’ Or in emails, I’ll tell them: this is all grammatically incorrect, did you not check your spelling? And they’re like: ‘Why would I do that, isn’t that kind of limiting?’”

    *Not sure why the Guardian thought she was joking ?

    I saw on TwiX yesterday that the average IQ of an undergraduate is now 102

    We are trying to teach cats to dance. Someone with an IQ of 102 will not benefit in anyway, intellectually, from a proper degree level education. All they will accrue is debt
    For your next PB alias, you should go with either Statler, or Waldorf.
    On the other hand, I am entirely right, aren’t I?

    We are giving expensive university education to people who cannot truly benefit from it (unless you think the social bonds and opportunities offered by uni are THAT valuable - and this I doubt). Yes, the Flynn Effect meant kids got smarter for a while, but they didn’t get vastly smarter, and anyway now the Flynn Effect is in reverse, so the mistake of trying to universalise university is graver

    It’s a fundamental error. We are conning these kids, and saddling them with debt, for no reason whatsoever other than it makes us feel good that “50% of our young people are at university” - and it funds a large education sector. A great proportion of these youngsters would be far better off doing vocational courses, some kind of national/international service, or going straight to work
    That is a classic case of "Conductor, being as I am on the bus you can now ring the bell, don't concern yourself with all those queued at the bus stop".

    You enjoyed your three years at University College in what you have suggested was a glorious drunken, drug addled paradise, where in your moments of cogence you sired beautiful former public schoolgirls. And all as a freebie from HMG.

    You are nonetheless demanding generations following you are deprived of this life, even if they have to pay for it themselves. They can toil down the coalmines!
    The real problem is that, in many cases, they get to toil in the coal mines. After their degree in shagging.

    Meanwhile we have a number of skill shortages, for well paid jobs, in the U.K.
    I understand all that, but you will invest in your child's education to ensure they get their opportunity for a three year BSc (Econ) (Hons) in Applied Fornication.

    The Tories accuse everyone else of "the politics of envy" but are adamant fun should be the reserve of the right sort of elite, and the peasantry should know their place and conclude their Shelf Stacking Apprenticeship whilst working nights at Tesco.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,453
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Pitching for the PB demographic.

    Jodie Foster says generation Z can be ‘really annoying’ to work with

    https://www.theguardian.com/film/2024/jan/06/jodie-foster-generation-z-annoying-interview
    ..“They’re really annoying, especially in the workplace,” Foster joked*. “They’re like: ‘Nah, I’m not feeling it today, I’m gonna come in at 10.30am.’ Or in emails, I’ll tell them: this is all grammatically incorrect, did you not check your spelling? And they’re like: ‘Why would I do that, isn’t that kind of limiting?’”

    *Not sure why the Guardian thought she was joking ?

    I saw on TwiX yesterday that the average IQ of an undergraduate is now 102

    We are trying to teach cats to dance. Someone with an IQ of 102 will not benefit in anyway, intellectually, from a proper degree level education. All they will accrue is debt
    The abstract looks like it's this one;

    https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2024.1309142

    Frontiers In... do have a bit of a reputation...

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frontiers_Media

    No link to the paper yet. Two questions I have right now;

    1 The authors are all Canadian; is it Canadian students they are writing about? How many institutions do IQ tests anyway?

    2 If the average IQ is really 102 (and a meta-analysis is only as good as the data fed into it), that implies either that all young people are a lot dimmer, or that students include people with IQs well below average. Or a mix. Is either of those plausible?

    Finally, the usual reminder that Peer Reviewed doesn't mean right, it just means "someone reasonably expert has read this and not found obvious holes".

    I can see the appeal of this headline to some- for example, sixtysomethings who would love to retire from the stage really, but simply can't because the generation below simply aren't up to it. But this article is going to have to work hard to pass the sniff test.

    I’ve no idea if that paper is the origin, I read it when I was researching AI (tho I do see they publish on AI as well)

    Either way you will have to work harder to dismiss it than just “Oh I don’t like It, take it away”

    Why?

    I've gone to the minimal trouble of finding the source article, and it's raised some questions- which students are they talking about, and how have they done the meta-analysis. They're pretty important, aren't they?

    Better that than "I saw a headline on TwiX and jumped on it because it confirms my opinions."
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,342
    Eabhal said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Foxy said:

    2 more ships going due to problems finding sailors:

    https://twitter.com/larisamlbrown/status/1743373293929828667?t=JkxqV_O0B_Erj2eahIFXUw&s=19

    In large part due to bodged privatisation of recruitment. There are plenty of enquires it seems, just an inability to turn them into sailors.

    https://navylookout.com/royal-navy-failing-to-get-enough-recruits-into-basic-training/

    Mothballing Albion and Bulwark actually makes quite a lot of sense in the context of the ongoing slow motion catastrophe. The UK is never going to do an amphibious assault as, much like an airborne assault, it's one of those operations where everybody dies if it goes wrong. It's too politically risky in this age of TikTok and Sky News. Imagine Shappsie fronting up to Kay Burleigh saying 800 booties are brown bread and she pulls that incredulous face that is 40% veneers, 40% botox and 20% hairspray. Better to put what we crew have on the T23s/T45s/CSG.

    The T45 fleet is in particularly shit order at the moment: 2 broken, 3 in refit, 1 working.
    I would guess that the inability of the Royal Navy to protect the UK's gas imports from Qatar might be slightly more important than the granting of a few licenses in the North Sea.
    On which, I noticed this the other day, sneaked out during the darts:

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2024/jan/04/uk-government-admits-rosebank-oil-will-not-be-kept-in-uk-to-boost-energy-security

    'The UK government has admitted that oil from the controversial Rosebank field will be sold on the international market rather than to UK consumers.

    Ministers have repeatedly claimed developing the huge oilfield off Shetland will improve UK energy security and help UK consumers, overriding concerns from climate experts and their own advisers.

    In a written answer to a parliamentary question, however, the government appears to accept that the private companies extracting the oil will sell the vast majority internationally, saying: “It is not desirable to force private companies to ‘allocate’ oil and gas produced in the North Sea for domestic use”.'
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,127

    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Pitching for the PB demographic.

    Jodie Foster says generation Z can be ‘really annoying’ to work with

    https://www.theguardian.com/film/2024/jan/06/jodie-foster-generation-z-annoying-interview
    ..“They’re really annoying, especially in the workplace,” Foster joked*. “They’re like: ‘Nah, I’m not feeling it today, I’m gonna come in at 10.30am.’ Or in emails, I’ll tell them: this is all grammatically incorrect, did you not check your spelling? And they’re like: ‘Why would I do that, isn’t that kind of limiting?’”

    *Not sure why the Guardian thought she was joking ?

    I saw on TwiX yesterday that the average IQ of an undergraduate is now 102

    We are trying to teach cats to dance. Someone with an IQ of 102 will not benefit in anyway, intellectually, from a proper degree level education. All they will accrue is debt
    For your next PB alias, you should go with either Statler, or Waldorf.
    On the other hand, I am entirely right, aren’t I?

    We are giving expensive university education to people who cannot truly benefit from it (unless you think the social bonds and opportunities offered by uni are THAT valuable - and this I doubt). Yes, the Flynn Effect meant kids got smarter for a while, but they didn’t get vastly smarter, and anyway now the Flynn Effect is in reverse, so the mistake of trying to universalise university is graver

    It’s a fundamental error. We are conning these kids, and saddling them with debt, for no reason whatsoever other than it makes us feel good that “50% of our young people are at university” - and it funds a large education sector. A great proportion of these youngsters would be far better off doing vocational courses, some kind of national/international service, or going straight to work
    That is a classic case of "Conductor, being as I am on the bus you can now ring the bell, don't concern yourself with all those queued at the bus stop".

    You enjoyed your three years at University College in what you have suggested was a glorious drunken, drug addled paradise, where in your moments of cogence you sired beautiful former public schoolgirls. And all as a freebie from HMG.

    You are nonetheless demanding generations following you are deprived of this life, even if they have to pay for it themselves. They can toil down the coalmines!
    The real problem is that, in many cases, they get to toil in the coal mines. After their degree in shagging.

    Meanwhile we have a number of skill shortages, for well paid jobs, in the U.K.
    There is a lot wrong with tertiary education in the UK, with a lot of crap teaching and courses that are often poor value.

    It's the hidden curriculum that is the significant one. A degree is the key entry point to being in the white collar middle class, rather than the blue collar artisan class. It isn't just about education, job opportunities or earnings it is about how our youngsters want to live, and their aspirations.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,672
    If the Labour opinion poll lead is under 10 points by the end of Q1 that speaks of Big Mo for the Tories. Surely Sunak would then be thinking early for the GE, not late.

    On another point, is the American Revolution really the country’s first civil war?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,127

    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Pitching for the PB demographic.

    Jodie Foster says generation Z can be ‘really annoying’ to work with

    https://www.theguardian.com/film/2024/jan/06/jodie-foster-generation-z-annoying-interview
    ..“They’re really annoying, especially in the workplace,” Foster joked*. “They’re like: ‘Nah, I’m not feeling it today, I’m gonna come in at 10.30am.’ Or in emails, I’ll tell them: this is all grammatically incorrect, did you not check your spelling? And they’re like: ‘Why would I do that, isn’t that kind of limiting?’”

    *Not sure why the Guardian thought she was joking ?

    I saw on TwiX yesterday that the average IQ of an undergraduate is now 102

    We are trying to teach cats to dance. Someone with an IQ of 102 will not benefit in anyway, intellectually, from a proper degree level education. All they will accrue is debt
    For your next PB alias, you should go with either Statler, or Waldorf.
    On the other hand, I am entirely right, aren’t I?

    We are giving expensive university education to people who cannot truly benefit from it (unless you think the social bonds and opportunities offered by uni are THAT valuable - and this I doubt). Yes, the Flynn Effect meant kids got smarter for a while, but they didn’t get vastly smarter, and anyway now the Flynn Effect is in reverse, so the mistake of trying to universalise university is graver

    It’s a fundamental error. We are conning these kids, and saddling them with debt, for no reason whatsoever other than it makes us feel good that “50% of our young people are at university” - and it funds a large education sector. A great proportion of these youngsters would be far better off doing vocational courses, some kind of national/international service, or going straight to work
    That is a classic case of "Conductor, being as I am on the bus you can now ring the bell, don't concern yourself with all those queued at the bus stop".

    You enjoyed your three years at University College in what you have suggested was a glorious drunken, drug addled paradise, where in your moments of cogence you sired beautiful former public schoolgirls. And all as a freebie from HMG.

    You are nonetheless demanding generations following you are deprived of this life, even if they have to pay for it themselves. They can toil down the coalmines!
    The real problem is that, in many cases, they get to toil in the coal mines. After their degree in shagging.

    Meanwhile we have a number of skill shortages, for well paid jobs, in the U.K.
    I understand all that, but you will invest in your child's education to ensure they get their opportunity for a three year BSc (Econ) (Hons) in Applied Fornication.

    The Tories accuse everyone else of "the politics of envy" but are adamant fun should be the reserve of the right sort of elite, and the peasantry should know their place and conclude their Shelf Stacking Apprenticeship whilst working nights at Tesco.
    Very much so, as a @Leon himself demonstrates via his daughter going to university rather than becoming a plumbers understudy.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,937
    Carnyx said:

    Eabhal said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Foxy said:

    2 more ships going due to problems finding sailors:

    https://twitter.com/larisamlbrown/status/1743373293929828667?t=JkxqV_O0B_Erj2eahIFXUw&s=19

    In large part due to bodged privatisation of recruitment. There are plenty of enquires it seems, just an inability to turn them into sailors.

    https://navylookout.com/royal-navy-failing-to-get-enough-recruits-into-basic-training/

    Mothballing Albion and Bulwark actually makes quite a lot of sense in the context of the ongoing slow motion catastrophe. The UK is never going to do an amphibious assault as, much like an airborne assault, it's one of those operations where everybody dies if it goes wrong. It's too politically risky in this age of TikTok and Sky News. Imagine Shappsie fronting up to Kay Burleigh saying 800 booties are brown bread and she pulls that incredulous face that is 40% veneers, 40% botox and 20% hairspray. Better to put what we crew have on the T23s/T45s/CSG.

    The T45 fleet is in particularly shit order at the moment: 2 broken, 3 in refit, 1 working.
    I would guess that the inability of the Royal Navy to protect the UK's gas imports from Qatar might be slightly more important than the granting of a few licenses in the North Sea.
    On which, I noticed this the other day, sneaked out during the darts:

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2024/jan/04/uk-government-admits-rosebank-oil-will-not-be-kept-in-uk-to-boost-energy-security

    'The UK government has admitted that oil from the controversial Rosebank field will be sold on the international market rather than to UK consumers.

    Ministers have repeatedly claimed developing the huge oilfield off Shetland will improve UK energy security and help UK consumers, overriding concerns from climate experts and their own advisers.

    In a written answer to a parliamentary question, however, the government appears to accept that the private companies extracting the oil will sell the vast majority internationally, saying: “It is not desirable to force private companies to ‘allocate’ oil and gas produced in the North Sea for domestic use”.'
    Be interesting to see what Labour says on this. I expect it will be silence.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,342

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    More problems for Boeing:

    https://twitter.com/petemuntean/status/1743487804133253264

    An exit 'door' blew out in flight at 16,000 feet; there were no fatalities. The plane was only ten weeks old.

    "On the 737-9 MAX, Boeing includes a rear cabin exit door aft of the wings, but before the rear exit door. This is activated in dense seating configurations to meet evacuation requirements. The doors are not activated on Alaska Airlines aircraft and are permanently “plugged."

    https://www.flightradar24.com/blog/alaska-airlines-737-9-max-exit-door-separates-in-flight/

    So they lost a door that was not even supposed to be a door on that aircraft; just a plug in the fuselage.

    Whoops. An actual door would have been less likely to come out.

    Meanwhile, it’s not just the doors, but nacelles as well. The anti-icing heaters can potentially cause overheating and breakup of the structure if left on by accident.
    https://www.gmtoday.com/business/boeing-wants-faa-to-exempt-max-7-from-safety-rules-to-get-it-in-the/article_060478ca-ac0c-11ee-b0fa-7fe6fbf1124d.html
    Surely an actual door would have been *more* likely to come out? Doors are things designed to open, and failure of locking mechanisms can always occur. This is a plug in a gap in the fuselage that is *never* supposed to open: you could - should, in fact - put connectors on it that are much more reliable than that of doors.

    I'd expect all 737 Max's of this configuration to be grounded. As it was only ten weeks old, it'll be a manufacturing error, and they'll need to work out why it happened, inspections, and how to prevent it happening again, before they fly again.

    I'm betting they don't, though.
    An actual door has a number of large steel pins which keep it in place. The plug is either riveted or more likely glued into the hole, without all the heavy engineering that goes into the door. Dropping the door for a plug is purely to save weight.

    Yes, it’s either a design or manufacturing problem, either of which will ground them all until they’ve worked out the issue.

    Another reminder to always wear your seat belt when you can, as if the hundreds of passenger injuries every year caused by turbulence weren’t enough reason.
    No. Doors are designed to be opened, and therefore are always a weak point of the structure. There is zero reason for a plug like that to be any weaker than the rest of the plane's structure - at least, no valid reason.
    The door *opening* is the weak point in the *fusleage* design, present whether or not there’s an actual door there.

    Imagine that you replaced a steel door in your house with a non-standard cardboard door; on a windy day that cardboard door is now the weak point, whereas the steel door would be an over-engineered but heavy solution that would stay standing in its frame, as the wood and brick wall disintegrated around it.

    Boeing has inadvertently replaced a steel door with a cardboard door, or at least a door with a cardboard frame.
    If you choose to replace that door with a cardboard one, that is. There is zero reason for the plug to be less strong than a normal door: in fact, it should be stronger.

    As for weight: you also need to exclude the weight of the opening and securing mechanisms and escape chute, as it isn't an overwing door.
    Oh, of course it’s possible to design a door plug that is both stronger than the door and considerably lighter.

    It’s just that Boeing haven’t done that. They’ve either designed or manufactured a plug that’s the weakest point of the entire pressurised structure.
    If the stuff I’ve found online is correct, the plug is actually the external part of the regular emergency exit door, with the latching system bolted closed and the opening mechanism removed. Inside the aircraft, it’s just a regular interior panel - no sign of a door.
    Saves having to certify the design all over again - and also allows the plane to be refitted when it's sold/re-leased/tdhe airline puts it on a different route, I imagine.

    But by implication that raises worries about all doors of that type, whether operating or not. Unless there is something specifically wrong with the bolting of the latching system? So it must affect all planes of that general model?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,342

    If the Labour opinion poll lead is under 10 points by the end of Q1 that speaks of Big Mo for the Tories. Surely Sunak would then be thinking early for the GE, not late.

    On another point, is the American Revolution really the country’s first civil war?

    The Americans did think of themselves as hard-done-by Britons. But there are rather more civil wars before that in the UK.
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