Can anybody explain why PB and the country seem obsessed with a pub game at this time of the year?
Why not shove ha'penny or Scottish football if we're obsessing about pub games/pub leagues?
Can anyone explain why half the country is still obsessed with a vote 8 years ago ?
Because most of the country thinks it has turned out shit?
They want to flush that great Brexit turd.
You see youre obsessed.
Why not just chill out and come to terms with it.
You started it!
Everyone has come to terms with it. It has been such a shit show we are entitled to an opinion . No demands for rejoin, just grin and bear it.
There is one issue that remains live nonetheless. The report, or lack thereof into Russian interference into UK elections. You won, but quite likely with the assistance of Vladimir Putin.
Can anybody explain why PB and the country seem obsessed with a pub game at this time of the year?
Why not shove ha'penny or Scottish football if we're obsessing about pub games/pub leagues?
Can anyone explain why half the country is still obsessed with a vote 8 years ago ?
Because most of the country thinks it has turned out shit?
They want to flush that great Brexit turd.
You see youre obsessed.
Why not just chill out and come to terms with it.
I am fine with it, Brexit has benefitted me personally, see my post at 7.47 which shows where the country is.
LOL, I have many friends in your position, they all claim they are doing well out of Brexit even though they voted Remain. But theyre still having a sulk because they called it wrong.
That's one of the great paradoxes of Brexit. The dynamic metropolises of Remania have economically adjusted, the backwaters of Leaverstan further degrade.
Real wages are actually growing and we have nearly full employment. The doom laden scenarios are nowhere to be seen. Manufacturing has even improved its position by overtaking France. Most of the UKs weaknesses are self inflicted and could have been sorted out in the EU, but none of the UK parties wanted to tackle them.
Really - I know the wages of no member of my family (either immediate or second level) have increased by above inflation.
And looking at the very large dataset I have for other people - nope I don’t see it, except at the very bottom of the market where I can see another large pay rise coming in April because the agencies legally need to pay it
And this is the Tory problem. They just keep saying things which are visibly and tangibly untrue to people's lived experiences.
A local example up here: fishing. According to the fishing community, Brexit has been bad. Things are much harder than they were both for the people catching the fish and for those processing them.
But the Tories are claiming a bonanza, with statistics showing that catches and revenue are up.
So on one hand we have fishermen saying revenues are down, and Tories saying revenue is up...
The whole country is not gripped by darts fever. I know @kinabalu is a big fan but I am not and therefore I cancel out his vote. And not for the first time.
Mrs C has rather taken to it; I can take it or leave it. What surprises me, having played the odd game long ago, and watched in various pubs, is first, the rate at which the game is being played, second, the noise. I’ve been in pubs where an important darts game was being played and, until the final ‘arrow’ was thrown absolute silence was the rule.
#Putin said similar in 2002: “I am absolutely convinced that #Ukraine will not shy away from processes of expanding interaction with #NATO and Western allies as a whole. Ukraine has its own relations with NATO... At end of day the decision is to be taken by NATO and Ukraine.” https://twitter.com/steven_pifer/status/1742389514352656655
What changed is that the Ukrainian people kicked out his puppets.
The Iraq war probably didn’t help. Russia had significant interests in the region (still does, for that matter) that the US trampled on in the invasion. It did rather annoy Putin.
Other things changed too. In 2002 Russia was allied to NATO over the Afghan invasion and considered an ally in the ‘war on terror.’ That has to put it mildly changed somewhat.
But it’s also possible they said that knowing the Russian puppets would never sign up, so they could make the right noises and not actually have to follow through.
No, this is what precipitated everything, I think.
Ukraine's EU trade deal will be catastrophic, says Russia https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/22/ukraine-european-union-trade-russia ..Petro Poroshenko, Ukraine's former trade minister, gave Sergei Glazyev, adviser to President Vladimir Putin, a public dressing down in a discussion session during which the Kremlin man was faced with jeering and catcalls for demanding that Ukraine abandon the EU pact and turn to Russia. The minister said that it was the Kremlin's heavy-handed tactics and threats of a trade war that had made European integration inevitable.
"For the first time in our history more than 50% of people support European integration, and less than 30% of the people support closer ties with Russia," said Poroshenko. "Thank you very much for that Mr Glazyev."..
.."We don't want to use any kind of blackmail. This is a question for the Ukrainian people," said Glazyev. "But legally, signing this agreement about association with EU, the Ukrainian government violates the treaty on strategic partnership and friendship with Russia." When this happened, he said, Russia could no longer guarantee Ukraine's status as a state and could possibly intervene if pro-Russian regions of the country appealed directly to Moscow...
"I don't want to blackmail you, but..."
That didn’t precipitate anything. They had already rigged the 2003 elections and when that didn’t quite work because of the courts ordering a rerun, tried to murder the opposition leader (fortunately for him the assassins concerned were almost as useless as those idiots Mishkin and Chepiga).
Russia then followed through on its blackmail threats. .. Russia could no longer guarantee Ukraine's status as a state and could possibly intervene if pro-Russian regions of the country appealed directly to Moscow..
Our experiences judge our mood. I have been in East Surrey hospital keeping an eye on a 94 yr old father in law who was on a trolley (along with about 40.others in corridors) from 10 am.Monday till 5pm yesterday when he had an endoscopy. At least he is now in a bed being properly cared for. God alone knows what it will be like going forward with junior doctors on strike. Here at least the law must be changed to stop health staff from striking and a national.formula for pay agreed. I was almost in tears for some of the mainly elderly there. There also needs to be an agreement for numbers of doctors and nurses in proportion to.population. it cannot go on like this.
The reason for the strikes is that the pay review board system is broken. I voted to accept the Consultants deal in part because it includes a commitment to reform the pay board.
No one is happy that the strikes are resuming, but there are no negotiations at the moment to stop them.
The "independent" pay review bodies are stuffed with employers and cronies. The government steers their thinking, and even then chooses to ignore them when they are too "generous". You might think the Party of the markets might be interested in what level of pay would ensure adequate staffing levels. But they aren't.
Can anybody explain why PB and the country seem obsessed with a pub game at this time of the year?
Why not shove ha'penny or Scottish football if we're obsessing about pub games/pub leagues?
Can anyone explain why half the country is still obsessed with a vote 8 years ago ?
Because most of the country thinks it has turned out shit?
They want to flush that great Brexit turd.
You see youre obsessed.
Why not just chill out and come to terms with it.
I am fine with it, Brexit has benefitted me personally, see my post at 7.47 which shows where the country is.
LOL, I have many friends in your position, they all claim they are doing well out of Brexit even though they voted Remain. But theyre still having a sulk because they called it wrong.
That's one of the great paradoxes of Brexit. The dynamic metropolises of Remania have economically adjusted, the backwaters of Leaverstan further degrade.
Real wages are actually growing and we have nearly full employment. The doom laden scenarios are nowhere to be seen. Manufacturing has even improved its position by overtaking France. Most of the UKs weaknesses are self inflicted and could have been sorted out in the EU, but none of the UK parties wanted to tackle them.
Really - I know the wages of no member of my family (either immediate or second level) have increased by above inflation.
And looking at the very large dataset I have for other people - nope I don’t see it, except at the very bottom of the market where I can see another large pay rise coming in April because the agencies legally need to pay it
Depends what sector you're in. I gave all my lads 10% last year, and have given most of them more than that this year. It's cheaper for me to pay them half decently than to have to find others as good. My cheapest lad is minimum wage, but only started a couple of months ago - if he's any good, he'll be on ~£35k in a couple of years, which round here is enough to be able to buy a decent house, run reasonable car, and buy a beer or two when the mood takes...
The whole country is not gripped by darts fever. I know @kinabalu is a big fan but I am not and therefore I cancel out his vote. And not for the first time.
I'm afraid that anyone who isn't gripped by darts fever hates Britain and our values.
If a chubby teenager lobbing arrows in front of baying crowds of boozers in such a way that puts the Dutch right back in their box, doesn't stir your blood and stiffen your patriotic sinews, then you might as well just eff off.
I'm quite partial to the odd game of pétanque, while sipping a pastis if that helps bolster my InnGerLund credentials.
Kind of, although the real proof it was working well would be that MPs weren't being recalled (or resigning in the face of recall).
Much like a good traffic enforcement camera is one that results in a lot of fines being issued, but a great one is one that results in no fines being issued, because it ends the activity it's targeting.
Four MPs have resigned in the face of a recall petition.
Can anybody explain why PB and the country seem obsessed with a pub game at this time of the year?
Why not shove ha'penny or Scottish football if we're obsessing about pub games/pub leagues?
Can anyone explain why half the country is still obsessed with a vote 8 years ago ?
Because most of the country thinks it has turned out shit?
They want to flush that great Brexit turd.
You see youre obsessed.
Why not just chill out and come to terms with it.
I am fine with it, Brexit has benefitted me personally, see my post at 7.47 which shows where the country is.
LOL, I have many friends in your position, they all claim they are doing well out of Brexit even though they voted Remain. But theyre still having a sulk because they called it wrong.
That's one of the great paradoxes of Brexit. The dynamic metropolises of Remania have economically adjusted, the backwaters of Leaverstan further degrade.
Real wages are actually growing and we have nearly full employment. The doom laden scenarios are nowhere to be seen. Manufacturing has even improved its position by overtaking France. Most of the UKs weaknesses are self inflicted and could have been sorted out in the EU, but none of the UK parties wanted to tackle them.
Really - I know the wages of no member of my family (either immediate or second level) have increased by above inflation.
And looking at the very large dataset I have for other people - nope I don’t see it, except at the very bottom of the market where I can see another large pay rise coming in April because the agencies legally need to pay it
And this is the Tory problem. They just keep saying things which are visibly and tangibly untrue to people's lived experiences.
A local example up here: fishing. According to the fishing community, Brexit has been bad. Things are much harder than they were both for the people catching the fish and for those processing them.
But the Tories are claiming a bonanza, with statistics showing that catches and revenue are up.
So on one hand we have fishermen saying revenues are down, and Tories saying revenue is up...
The whole country is not gripped by darts fever. I know @kinabalu is a big fan but I am not and therefore I cancel out his vote. And not for the first time.
I'm afraid that anyone who isn't gripped by darts fever hates Britain and our values.
If a chubby teenager lobbing arrows in front of baying crowds of boozers in such a way that puts the Dutch right back in their box, doesn't stir your blood and stiffen your patriotic sinews, then you might as well just eff off.
We dart sceptics must bear the slings and arrows as best we can.
The whole country is not gripped by darts fever. I know @kinabalu is a big fan but I am not and therefore I cancel out his vote. And not for the first time.
I'm afraid that anyone who isn't gripped by darts fever hates Britain and our values.
If a chubby teenager lobbing arrows in front of baying crowds of boozers in such a way that puts the Dutch right back in their box, doesn't stir your blood and stiffen your patriotic sinews, then you might as well just eff off.
I'm quite partial to the odd game of pétanque, while sipping a pastis if that helps bolster my InnGerLund credentials.
If Brexit means anything, it means replacing every single pétanque piste in this country with an oche. That's what every right-thinking Englishman assumed "Get Brexit Done" meant, and yet here we are.
#Putin said similar in 2002: “I am absolutely convinced that #Ukraine will not shy away from processes of expanding interaction with #NATO and Western allies as a whole. Ukraine has its own relations with NATO... At end of day the decision is to be taken by NATO and Ukraine.” https://twitter.com/steven_pifer/status/1742389514352656655
What changed is that the Ukrainian people kicked out his puppets.
The Iraq war probably didn’t help. Russia had significant interests in the region (still does, for that matter) that the US trampled on in the invasion. It did rather annoy Putin.
Other things changed too. In 2002 Russia was allied to NATO over the Afghan invasion and considered an ally in the ‘war on terror.’ That has to put it mildly changed somewhat.
But it’s also possible they said that knowing the Russian puppets would never sign up, so they could make the right noises and not actually have to follow through.
No, this is what precipitated everything, I think.
Ukraine's EU trade deal will be catastrophic, says Russia https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/22/ukraine-european-union-trade-russia ..Petro Poroshenko, Ukraine's former trade minister, gave Sergei Glazyev, adviser to President Vladimir Putin, a public dressing down in a discussion session during which the Kremlin man was faced with jeering and catcalls for demanding that Ukraine abandon the EU pact and turn to Russia. The minister said that it was the Kremlin's heavy-handed tactics and threats of a trade war that had made European integration inevitable.
"For the first time in our history more than 50% of people support European integration, and less than 30% of the people support closer ties with Russia," said Poroshenko. "Thank you very much for that Mr Glazyev."..
.."We don't want to use any kind of blackmail. This is a question for the Ukrainian people," said Glazyev. "But legally, signing this agreement about association with EU, the Ukrainian government violates the treaty on strategic partnership and friendship with Russia." When this happened, he said, Russia could no longer guarantee Ukraine's status as a state and could possibly intervene if pro-Russian regions of the country appealed directly to Moscow...
"I don't want to blackmail you, but..."
That didn’t precipitate anything. They had already rigged the 2003 elections and when that didn’t quite work because of the courts ordering a rerun, tried to murder the opposition leader (fortunately for him the assassins concerned were almost as useless as those idiots Mishkin and Chepiga).
Russia then followed through on its blackmail threats. .. Russia could no longer guarantee Ukraine's status as a state and could possibly intervene if pro-Russian regions of the country appealed directly to Moscow..
Sorry, I wasn't clear - my point is they had already been doing many of these things. So the 2013 interference did not 'precipitate' Russia's interference. Instead, it moved it to a new and dramatic phase, starting with the seizure of Crimea, including the invasion of the Donbas and finally the overall invasion two years ago.
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#Putin said similar in 2002: “I am absolutely convinced that #Ukraine will not shy away from processes of expanding interaction with #NATO and Western allies as a whole. Ukraine has its own relations with NATO... At end of day the decision is to be taken by NATO and Ukraine.” https://twitter.com/steven_pifer/status/1742389514352656655
What changed is that the Ukrainian people kicked out his puppets.
The Iraq war probably didn’t help. Russia had significant interests in the region (still does, for that matter) that the US trampled on in the invasion. It did rather annoy Putin.
Other things changed too. In 2002 Russia was allied to NATO over the Afghan invasion and considered an ally in the ‘war on terror.’ That has to put it mildly changed somewhat.
But it’s also possible they said that knowing the Russian puppets would never sign up, so they could make the right noises and not actually have to follow through.
No, this is what precipitated everything, I think.
Ukraine's EU trade deal will be catastrophic, says Russia https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/22/ukraine-european-union-trade-russia ..Petro Poroshenko, Ukraine's former trade minister, gave Sergei Glazyev, adviser to President Vladimir Putin, a public dressing down in a discussion session during which the Kremlin man was faced with jeering and catcalls for demanding that Ukraine abandon the EU pact and turn to Russia. The minister said that it was the Kremlin's heavy-handed tactics and threats of a trade war that had made European integration inevitable.
"For the first time in our history more than 50% of people support European integration, and less than 30% of the people support closer ties with Russia," said Poroshenko. "Thank you very much for that Mr Glazyev."..
.."We don't want to use any kind of blackmail. This is a question for the Ukrainian people," said Glazyev. "But legally, signing this agreement about association with EU, the Ukrainian government violates the treaty on strategic partnership and friendship with Russia." When this happened, he said, Russia could no longer guarantee Ukraine's status as a state and could possibly intervene if pro-Russian regions of the country appealed directly to Moscow...
"I don't want to blackmail you, but..."
That didn’t precipitate anything. They had already rigged the 2003 elections and when that didn’t quite work because of the courts ordering a rerun, tried to murder the opposition leader (fortunately for him the assassins concerned were almost as useless as those idiots Mishkin and Chepiga).
Russia then followed through on its blackmail threats. .. Russia could no longer guarantee Ukraine's status as a state and could possibly intervene if pro-Russian regions of the country appealed directly to Moscow..
Sorry, I wasn't clear - my point is they had already been doing many of these things. So the 2013 interference did not 'precipitate' Russia's interference. Instead, it moved it to a new and dramatic phase, starting with the seizure of Crimea, including the invasion of the Donbas and finally the overall invasion two years ago.
Yes, I meant that was what precipitated the invasions.
When people say that the West 'provoked' Russia, what they actually mean is that Russia made Ukraine's free choice to become part of the West a reason to invade them.
Can anybody explain why PB and the country seem obsessed with a pub game at this time of the year?
Why not shove ha'penny or Scottish football if we're obsessing about pub games/pub leagues?
Can anyone explain why half the country is still obsessed with a vote 8 years ago ?
Because most of the country thinks it has turned out shit?
They want to flush that great Brexit turd.
You see youre obsessed.
Why not just chill out and come to terms with it.
I am fine with it, Brexit has benefitted me personally, see my post at 7.47 which shows where the country is.
LOL, I have many friends in your position, they all claim they are doing well out of Brexit even though they voted Remain. But theyre still having a sulk because they called it wrong.
That's one of the great paradoxes of Brexit. The dynamic metropolises of Remania have economically adjusted, the backwaters of Leaverstan further degrade.
Real wages are actually growing and we have nearly full employment. The doom laden scenarios are nowhere to be seen. Manufacturing has even improved its position by overtaking France. Most of the UKs weaknesses are self inflicted and could have been sorted out in the EU, but none of the UK parties wanted to tackle them.
Really - I know the wages of no member of my family (either immediate or second level) have increased by above inflation.
And looking at the very large dataset I have for other people - nope I don’t see it, except at the very bottom of the market where I can see another large pay rise coming in April because the agencies legally need to pay it
Also - after the last couple of years any momentary increase in wages, which our Tories keep insisting is happening, has a hell of a lot of backlog to catch up with. No good wages increasing faster than inflation since 1 December (etc) when it's the last 2-3 years and the interest rate increases people have to facve in reality.
And more inflation coming after they finally implement Brexit at the end of January, let's never forget, with the customs in stuff, and another reduction in trade.
Kind of, although the real proof it was working well would be that MPs weren't being recalled (or resigning in the face of recall).
Much like a good traffic enforcement camera is one that results in a lot of fines being issued, but a great one is one that results in no fines being issued, because it ends the activity it's targeting.
Four MPs have resigned in the face of a recall petition.
Yes, but my point is that the most effective system is one which improves conduct such that MPs are neither recalled nor need to resign in the face of the inevitable. Just as good law enforcement catches criminals, but great law enforcement reduces crime.
I think that may well happen - or at least the level of activities risking recall will reduce, since even the thickest MP must see the dangers from recent cases.
Can anybody explain why PB and the country seem obsessed with a pub game at this time of the year?
Why not shove ha'penny or Scottish football if we're obsessing about pub games/pub leagues?
Can anyone explain why half the country is still obsessed with a vote 8 years ago ?
Because most of the country thinks it has turned out shit?
They want to flush that great Brexit turd.
You see youre obsessed.
Why not just chill out and come to terms with it.
I am fine with it, Brexit has benefitted me personally, see my post at 7.47 which shows where the country is.
LOL, I have many friends in your position, they all claim they are doing well out of Brexit even though they voted Remain. But theyre still having a sulk because they called it wrong.
That's one of the great paradoxes of Brexit. The dynamic metropolises of Remania have economically adjusted, the backwaters of Leaverstan further degrade.
Real wages are actually growing and we have nearly full employment. The doom laden scenarios are nowhere to be seen. Manufacturing has even improved its position by overtaking France. Most of the UKs weaknesses are self inflicted and could have been sorted out in the EU, but none of the UK parties wanted to tackle them.
Really - I know the wages of no member of my family (either immediate or second level) have increased by above inflation.
And looking at the very large dataset I have for other people - nope I don’t see it, except at the very bottom of the market where I can see another large pay rise coming in April because the agencies legally need to pay it
And this is the Tory problem. They just keep saying things which are visibly and tangibly untrue to people's lived experiences.
A local example up here: fishing. According to the fishing community, Brexit has been bad. Things are much harder than they were both for the people catching the fish and for those processing them.
But the Tories are claiming a bonanza, with statistics showing that catches and revenue are up.
So on one hand we have fishermen saying revenues are down, and Tories saying revenue is up...
Are the problems due to Brexit itself or due to it being implemented by an incompetent, dysfunctional Tory government?
Both.
But I should point out, there is one issue with your comment. You're assuming the government is dysfunctional because it's 'Tory.' I'm increasingly concerned that it's dysfunctional because its systems and processes are being managed by people who are simply not up to it. The more I look at some civil servants the more worried I am for us as a country.
Can anybody explain why PB and the country seem obsessed with a pub game at this time of the year?
Why not shove ha'penny or Scottish football if we're obsessing about pub games/pub leagues?
Can anyone explain why half the country is still obsessed with a vote 8 years ago ?
Because most of the country thinks it has turned out shit?
They want to flush that great Brexit turd.
You see youre obsessed.
Why not just chill out and come to terms with it.
I am fine with it, Brexit has benefitted me personally, see my post at 7.47 which shows where the country is.
LOL, I have many friends in your position, they all claim they are doing well out of Brexit even though they voted Remain. But theyre still having a sulk because they called it wrong.
That's one of the great paradoxes of Brexit. The dynamic metropolises of Remania have economically adjusted, the backwaters of Leaverstan further degrade.
Real wages are actually growing and we have nearly full employment. The doom laden scenarios are nowhere to be seen. Manufacturing has even improved its position by overtaking France. Most of the UKs weaknesses are self inflicted and could have been sorted out in the EU, but none of the UK parties wanted to tackle them.
Really - I know the wages of no member of my family (either immediate or second level) have increased by above inflation.
And looking at the very large dataset I have for other people - nope I don’t see it, except at the very bottom of the market where I can see another large pay rise coming in April because the agencies legally need to pay it
And this is the Tory problem. They just keep saying things which are visibly and tangibly untrue to people's lived experiences.
A local example up here: fishing. According to the fishing community, Brexit has been bad. Things are much harder than they were both for the people catching the fish and for those processing them.
But the Tories are claiming a bonanza, with statistics showing that catches and revenue are up.
So on one hand we have fishermen saying revenues are down, and Tories saying revenue is up...
Indeed. The real Brexit obsession is amongst Leavers, who still wish to believe that it has made the country and its people better off in the face of over overwhelming and irrefutable evidence to the contrary,
Kind of, although the real proof it was working well would be that MPs weren't being recalled (or resigning in the face of recall).
Much like a good traffic enforcement camera is one that results in a lot of fines being issued, but a great one is one that results in no fines being issued, because it ends the activity it's targeting.
Four MPs have resigned in the face of a recall petition.
Yes, but my point is that the most effective system is one which improves conduct such that MPs are neither recalled nor need to resign in the face of the inevitable. Just as good law enforcement catches criminals, but great law enforcement reduces crime.
I think that may well happen - or at least the level of activities risking recall will reduce, since even the thickest MP must see the dangers from recent cases.
Hmm. There is however inevitably a backlog, so to speak, of bad/dodgy behaviour, even if the penny has dropped and they stop instantly. So we can expect to see more such cases, especially given the habit of at least one party of sitting on such things for years.
Our experiences judge our mood. I have been in East Surrey hospital keeping an eye on a 94 yr old father in law who was on a trolley (along with about 40.others in corridors) from 10 am.Monday till 5pm yesterday when he had an endoscopy. At least he is now in a bed being properly cared for. God alone knows what it will be like going forward with junior doctors on strike. Here at least the law must be changed to stop health staff from striking and a national.formula for pay agreed. I was almost in tears for some of the mainly elderly there. There also needs to be an agreement for numbers of doctors and nurses in proportion to.population. it cannot go on like this.
Direct your ire at number 10 where it belongs. This is a direct result of 13 years of Conservative government. If you want change you know what to do.
What ?
SKS is no different than Sunak.
Not that old cchq bunker spin again. Last refuge.
No they are not the same. Did you see the waiting list chart over successive Labour and Tory governments? A very stark difference. If you care about NHS waiting lists you know what to do.
I would just comment that the idea this is only an English problem is dwarfed by the poor state of Wales NHS run but Wales Labour and is a problem shared across all four parts of our country including in Scotland under the SNP
It is time to accept there is no simple solution and I doubt the Wales NHS will be improving anytime soon
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Do you are saying that an Ugandan was demanding access to an Ugandan discussion?
Can anybody explain why PB and the country seem obsessed with a pub game at this time of the year?
Why not shove ha'penny or Scottish football if we're obsessing about pub games/pub leagues?
Can anyone explain why half the country is still obsessed with a vote 8 years ago ?
I don't think it is, but they want to be seen to be.
What does that even mean?
Defeated Remainers seldom mention Brexit until someone like @Alanbrooke decides to rub our faces in it, like today for example.
Exactly. You don't mention it anymore but play your role when someone else does.
What you mean is we express out opinion when someone makes yet another daft point regarding Brexit. You need to get used to being told that it was a mistake, every time you bring it up. Since that appears to be the opinion of two thirds of the electorate.
Can anybody explain why PB and the country seem obsessed with a pub game at this time of the year?
Why not shove ha'penny or Scottish football if we're obsessing about pub games/pub leagues?
Can anyone explain why half the country is still obsessed with a vote 8 years ago ?
Because most of the country thinks it has turned out shit?
They want to flush that great Brexit turd.
You see youre obsessed.
Why not just chill out and come to terms with it.
I am fine with it, Brexit has benefitted me personally, see my post at 7.47 which shows where the country is.
LOL, I have many friends in your position, they all claim they are doing well out of Brexit even though they voted Remain. But theyre still having a sulk because they called it wrong.
That's one of the great paradoxes of Brexit. The dynamic metropolises of Remania have economically adjusted, the backwaters of Leaverstan further degrade.
Real wages are actually growing and we have nearly full employment. The doom laden scenarios are nowhere to be seen. Manufacturing has even improved its position by overtaking France. Most of the UKs weaknesses are self inflicted and could have been sorted out in the EU, but none of the UK parties wanted to tackle them.
Really - I know the wages of no member of my family (either immediate or second level) have increased by above inflation.
And looking at the very large dataset I have for other people - nope I don’t see it, except at the very bottom of the market where I can see another large pay rise coming in April because the agencies legally need to pay it
And this is the Tory problem. They just keep saying things which are visibly and tangibly untrue to people's lived experiences.
A local example up here: fishing. According to the fishing community, Brexit has been bad. Things are much harder than they were both for the people catching the fish and for those processing them.
But the Tories are claiming a bonanza, with statistics showing that catches and revenue are up.
So on one hand we have fishermen saying revenues are down, and Tories saying revenue is up...
Everyone’s lived experience is different. I’ve never been more comfortable in financial terms. That will be true of a large number of people.
Not that it will save the government.
I'm not quite sure what lived experience means that experience doesn't cover.
All experience is lived. That's what experience means.
Perfectly clear what it means in this context to me. The country as a whole is experiencing one thing, each individual may be experiencing something opposite or just different to the collective.
HIGHLIGHT OF YEAR: This Guy was removed from a WhatsApp group, he went and got a court order to be added back. They added him back and made him administrator then one by one left the group and created a new one. He is now heading back to court to get the members back on his WhatsApp group like the beginning. https://twitter.com/IamMzilikazi/status/1741107391591055432
Do you are saying that an Ugandan was demanding access to an Ugandan discussion?
Quite a remarkable story. Nobody panics, everybody follows instructions, nobody tries to bring their hand luggage. Deplaned in 20 minutes. 10 minutes later the plane explodes. I have a feeling that anywhere other than Japan this would have been much, much worse.
HIGHLIGHT OF YEAR: This Guy was removed from a WhatsApp group, he went and got a court order to be added back. They added him back and made him administrator then one by one left the group and created a new one. He is now heading back to court to get the members back on his WhatsApp group like the beginning. https://twitter.com/IamMzilikazi/status/1741107391591055432
Do you are saying that an Ugandan was demanding access to an Ugandan discussion?
Well, he got screwed over.
And he was allowed back into the Ugandan discussion. Then everyone left for a new Ugandan discussion. And now he is demanding that everyone return to the original Ugandan discussion.
Can anybody explain why PB and the country seem obsessed with a pub game at this time of the year?
Why not shove ha'penny or Scottish football if we're obsessing about pub games/pub leagues?
Can anyone explain why half the country is still obsessed with a vote 8 years ago ?
Because most of the country thinks it has turned out shit?
They want to flush that great Brexit turd.
You see youre obsessed.
Why not just chill out and come to terms with it.
I am fine with it, Brexit has benefitted me personally, see my post at 7.47 which shows where the country is.
LOL, I have many friends in your position, they all claim they are doing well out of Brexit even though they voted Remain. But theyre still having a sulk because they called it wrong.
That's one of the great paradoxes of Brexit. The dynamic metropolises of Remania have economically adjusted, the backwaters of Leaverstan further degrade.
Real wages are actually growing and we have nearly full employment. The doom laden scenarios are nowhere to be seen. Manufacturing has even improved its position by overtaking France. Most of the UKs weaknesses are self inflicted and could have been sorted out in the EU, but none of the UK parties wanted to tackle them.
Really - I know the wages of no member of my family (either immediate or second level) have increased by above inflation.
And looking at the very large dataset I have for other people - nope I don’t see it, except at the very bottom of the market where I can see another large pay rise coming in April because the agencies legally need to pay it
And this is the Tory problem. They just keep saying things which are visibly and tangibly untrue to people's lived experiences.
A local example up here: fishing. According to the fishing community, Brexit has been bad. Things are much harder than they were both for the people catching the fish and for those processing them.
But the Tories are claiming a bonanza, with statistics showing that catches and revenue are up.
So on one hand we have fishermen saying revenues are down, and Tories saying revenue is up...
Everyone’s lived experience is different. I’ve never been more comfortable in financial terms. That will be true of a large number of people.
Not that it will save the government.
I'm not quite sure what lived experience means that experience doesn't cover.
All experience is lived. That's what experience means.
Perfectly clear what it means in this context to me. The country as a whole is experiencing one thing, each individual may be experiencing something opposite or just different to the collective.
Quite a remarkable story. Nobody panics, everybody follows instructions, nobody tries to bring their hand luggage. Deplaned in 20 minutes. 10 minutes later the plane explodes. I have a feeling that anywhere other than Japan this would have been much, much worse.
And the cabin crew had megaphones. Is that usual in the trade outwith Japan?
Can anybody explain why PB and the country seem obsessed with a pub game at this time of the year?
Why not shove ha'penny or Scottish football if we're obsessing about pub games/pub leagues?
Can anyone explain why half the country is still obsessed with a vote 8 years ago ?
Because most of the country thinks it has turned out shit?
They want to flush that great Brexit turd.
You see youre obsessed.
Why not just chill out and come to terms with it.
I am fine with it, Brexit has benefitted me personally, see my post at 7.47 which shows where the country is.
LOL, I have many friends in your position, they all claim they are doing well out of Brexit even though they voted Remain. But theyre still having a sulk because they called it wrong.
That's one of the great paradoxes of Brexit. The dynamic metropolises of Remania have economically adjusted, the backwaters of Leaverstan further degrade.
Real wages are actually growing and we have nearly full employment. The doom laden scenarios are nowhere to be seen. Manufacturing has even improved its position by overtaking France. Most of the UKs weaknesses are self inflicted and could have been sorted out in the EU, but none of the UK parties wanted to tackle them.
Really - I know the wages of no member of my family (either immediate or second level) have increased by above inflation.
And looking at the very large dataset I have for other people - nope I don’t see it, except at the very bottom of the market where I can see another large pay rise coming in April because the agencies legally need to pay it
And this is the Tory problem. They just keep saying things which are visibly and tangibly untrue to people's lived experiences.
A local example up here: fishing. According to the fishing community, Brexit has been bad. Things are much harder than they were both for the people catching the fish and for those processing them.
But the Tories are claiming a bonanza, with statistics showing that catches and revenue are up.
So on one hand we have fishermen saying revenues are down, and Tories saying revenue is up...
Everyone’s lived experience is different. I’ve never been more comfortable in financial terms. That will be true of a large number of people.
Not that it will save the government.
I'm not quite sure what lived experience means that experience doesn't cover.
All experience is lived. That's what experience means.
I think it is meant to capture specifically things that a person may experience themselves directly. Eg someone whose family member has cancer has experience of cancer but only someone who has had cancer themselves has lived experience of cancer. That kind of thing. As I understand it it is designed to remove any potential ambiguities around the word experience to make it clear that we are talking about direct, lived, experience.
So just to be clear - an issue caused by maladministration at the DfE, and exacerbated by their decision to conceal a report until it was too late to do anything to avoid disaster, which has disrupted the education of thousands of children, is not going to see any consideration given to those children in the deeply flawed exams the DfE insisted on because that would be somehow bad?
It's a good job these people are so intelligent, hard working, concerned about the welfare and progress of children and therefore deserving of their massive salaries and pensions. I'd hate to see what lazy intellectually subnormal scum out to screw over the nation's youth while taking the piss as well as the money looked like.
Can anybody explain why PB and the country seem obsessed with a pub game at this time of the year?
Why not shove ha'penny or Scottish football if we're obsessing about pub games/pub leagues?
Can anyone explain why half the country is still obsessed with a vote 8 years ago ?
Because most of the country thinks it has turned out shit?
They want to flush that great Brexit turd.
You see youre obsessed.
Why not just chill out and come to terms with it.
I am fine with it, Brexit has benefitted me personally, see my post at 7.47 which shows where the country is.
LOL, I have many friends in your position, they all claim they are doing well out of Brexit even though they voted Remain. But theyre still having a sulk because they called it wrong.
That's one of the great paradoxes of Brexit. The dynamic metropolises of Remania have economically adjusted, the backwaters of Leaverstan further degrade.
Real wages are actually growing and we have nearly full employment. The doom laden scenarios are nowhere to be seen. Manufacturing has even improved its position by overtaking France. Most of the UKs weaknesses are self inflicted and could have been sorted out in the EU, but none of the UK parties wanted to tackle them.
Really - I know the wages of no member of my family (either immediate or second level) have increased by above inflation.
And looking at the very large dataset I have for other people - nope I don’t see it, except at the very bottom of the market where I can see another large pay rise coming in April because the agencies legally need to pay it
And this is the Tory problem. They just keep saying things which are visibly and tangibly untrue to people's lived experiences.
A local example up here: fishing. According to the fishing community, Brexit has been bad. Things are much harder than they were both for the people catching the fish and for those processing them.
But the Tories are claiming a bonanza, with statistics showing that catches and revenue are up.
So on one hand we have fishermen saying revenues are down, and Tories saying revenue is up...
Can anybody explain why PB and the country seem obsessed with a pub game at this time of the year?
Why not shove ha'penny or Scottish football if we're obsessing about pub games/pub leagues?
Can anyone explain why half the country is still obsessed with a vote 8 years ago ?
Because most of the country thinks it has turned out shit?
They want to flush that great Brexit turd.
You see youre obsessed.
Why not just chill out and come to terms with it.
I am fine with it, Brexit has benefitted me personally, see my post at 7.47 which shows where the country is.
LOL, I have many friends in your position, they all claim they are doing well out of Brexit even though they voted Remain. But theyre still having a sulk because they called it wrong.
That's one of the great paradoxes of Brexit. The dynamic metropolises of Remania have economically adjusted, the backwaters of Leaverstan further degrade.
Real wages are actually growing and we have nearly full employment. The doom laden scenarios are nowhere to be seen. Manufacturing has even improved its position by overtaking France. Most of the UKs weaknesses are self inflicted and could have been sorted out in the EU, but none of the UK parties wanted to tackle them.
Really - I know the wages of no member of my family (either immediate or second level) have increased by above inflation.
And looking at the very large dataset I have for other people - nope I don’t see it, except at the very bottom of the market where I can see another large pay rise coming in April because the agencies legally need to pay it
And this is the Tory problem. They just keep saying things which are visibly and tangibly untrue to people's lived experiences.
A local example up here: fishing. According to the fishing community, Brexit has been bad. Things are much harder than they were both for the people catching the fish and for those processing them.
But the Tories are claiming a bonanza, with statistics showing that catches and revenue are up.
So on one hand we have fishermen saying revenues are down, and Tories saying revenue is up...
Everyone’s lived experience is different. I’ve never been more comfortable in financial terms. That will be true of a large number of people.
Not that it will save the government.
I'm not quite sure what lived experience means that experience doesn't cover.
All experience is lived. That's what experience means.
Perfectly clear what it means in this context to me. The country as a whole is experiencing one thing, each individual may be experiencing something opposite or just different to the collective.
Can anybody explain why PB and the country seem obsessed with a pub game at this time of the year?
Why not shove ha'penny or Scottish football if we're obsessing about pub games/pub leagues?
Can anyone explain why half the country is still obsessed with a vote 8 years ago ?
Because most of the country thinks it has turned out shit?
They want to flush that great Brexit turd.
You see youre obsessed.
Why not just chill out and come to terms with it.
So if Lab wins the next election the country should just call it a day and say well that's that done with and settle down to a Lab govt for the next 50 years.
Is that how you are saying democracy should operate.
Youre mixing up a referndum with a parliamentary election. I'd say give it a generation same as Indyref.
You'd say, would you? Good to know. Meanwhile taking back control surely means nothing unless it means giving the people the opportunity to vote in line with their beliefs. A "generation" is just wishful thinking.
Who's stopping you voting in line with your beliefs ?
No one. That is my point. In 2017 people voted in line with their beliefs and had there been a second referendum, apart from being impractical and an administrative nightmare, it would have been a perfect example of democracy in action.
It would have been a democratic outrage, it would have smashed public consensus to pieces, half the country would have abstained in the fraudulent second referendum - leaving us where, exactly.: still inside Europe on a 40% turnout without ever having enacted the Leave vote? Imagine the aftermath of THAT. The urgent, militant calls for a THIRD vote, and so on, and so on: a pure, unending nightmare
AND it might well have caused severe civil unrest (if they can ignore your vote, what is left but violence?) and it would have destroyed British democracy for two generations, as people abandoned voting in elections as well (again, what is the point if your vote can be flatly ignored or overruled?)
Other than that, a 2nd referendum was a great idea
Can anybody explain why PB and the country seem obsessed with a pub game at this time of the year?
Why not shove ha'penny or Scottish football if we're obsessing about pub games/pub leagues?
Can anyone explain why half the country is still obsessed with a vote 8 years ago ?
Because most of the country thinks it has turned out shit?
They want to flush that great Brexit turd.
You see youre obsessed.
Why not just chill out and come to terms with it.
I am fine with it, Brexit has benefitted me personally, see my post at 7.47 which shows where the country is.
LOL, I have many friends in your position, they all claim they are doing well out of Brexit even though they voted Remain. But theyre still having a sulk because they called it wrong.
That's one of the great paradoxes of Brexit. The dynamic metropolises of Remania have economically adjusted, the backwaters of Leaverstan further degrade.
Real wages are actually growing and we have nearly full employment. The doom laden scenarios are nowhere to be seen. Manufacturing has even improved its position by overtaking France. Most of the UKs weaknesses are self inflicted and could have been sorted out in the EU, but none of the UK parties wanted to tackle them.
Really - I know the wages of no member of my family (either immediate or second level) have increased by above inflation.
And looking at the very large dataset I have for other people - nope I don’t see it, except at the very bottom of the market where I can see another large pay rise coming in April because the agencies legally need to pay it
And this is the Tory problem. They just keep saying things which are visibly and tangibly untrue to people's lived experiences.
A local example up here: fishing. According to the fishing community, Brexit has been bad. Things are much harder than they were both for the people catching the fish and for those processing them.
But the Tories are claiming a bonanza, with statistics showing that catches and revenue are up.
So on one hand we have fishermen saying revenues are down, and Tories saying revenue is up...
Everyone’s lived experience is different. I’ve never been more comfortable in financial terms. That will be true of a large number of people.
Not that it will save the government.
I'm not quite sure what lived experience means that experience doesn't cover.
All experience is lived. That's what experience means.
I think it is meant to capture specifically things that a person may experience themselves directly. Eg someone whose family member has cancer has experience of cancer but only someone who has had cancer themselves has lived experience of cancer. That kind of thing. As I understand it it is designed to remove any potential ambiguities around the word experience to make it clear that we are talking about direct, lived, experience.
Experience means the same thing. Experience and direct experience are one and the same. Indirect experience doesn't exist.
Quite a remarkable story. Nobody panics, everybody follows instructions, nobody tries to bring their hand luggage. Deplaned in 20 minutes. 10 minutes later the plane explodes. I have a feeling that anywhere other than Japan this would have been much, much worse.
Indeed.
The parallels with this one are obvious and very much to Japan Airlines' advantage:
Can anybody explain why PB and the country seem obsessed with a pub game at this time of the year?
Why not shove ha'penny or Scottish football if we're obsessing about pub games/pub leagues?
Can anyone explain why half the country is still obsessed with a vote 8 years ago ?
I don't think it is, but they want to be seen to be.
What does that even mean?
Defeated Remainers seldom mention Brexit until someone like @Alanbrooke decides to rub our faces in it, like today for example.
Exactly. You don't mention it anymore but play your role when someone else does.
The government deserves to be reminded, since in the short-term it has inflicted damage on top of all the other damaging stuff we face, in the long-term it's a strategic mistake, and because they turned their back on doing a sensible, consensus Brexit and instead went for the most idiotic, most damaging, most provocative Brexit possible. Which even Sunak is having to unpick, around the edges, and Starmer will surely continue in that direction.
I don't believe rejoin will be on the agenda for a generation, but I do think we will eventually end up with the sort of soft Brexit we should and could have had to start with; all the intervening damage will have been for nothing. Tory politicians deserve to be reminded, and deserve to be punished, and surely, this year they will be.
Can anybody explain why PB and the country seem obsessed with a pub game at this time of the year?
Why not shove ha'penny or Scottish football if we're obsessing about pub games/pub leagues?
Can anyone explain why half the country is still obsessed with a vote 8 years ago ?
Because most of the country thinks it has turned out shit?
They want to flush that great Brexit turd.
You see youre obsessed.
Why not just chill out and come to terms with it.
I am fine with it, Brexit has benefitted me personally, see my post at 7.47 which shows where the country is.
LOL, I have many friends in your position, they all claim they are doing well out of Brexit even though they voted Remain. But theyre still having a sulk because they called it wrong.
That's one of the great paradoxes of Brexit. The dynamic metropolises of Remania have economically adjusted, the backwaters of Leaverstan further degrade.
Real wages are actually growing and we have nearly full employment. The doom laden scenarios are nowhere to be seen. Manufacturing has even improved its position by overtaking France. Most of the UKs weaknesses are self inflicted and could have been sorted out in the EU, but none of the UK parties wanted to tackle them.
Really - I know the wages of no member of my family (either immediate or second level) have increased by above inflation.
And looking at the very large dataset I have for other people - nope I don’t see it, except at the very bottom of the market where I can see another large pay rise coming in April because the agencies legally need to pay it
And this is the Tory problem. They just keep saying things which are visibly and tangibly untrue to people's lived experiences.
A local example up here: fishing. According to the fishing community, Brexit has been bad. Things are much harder than they were both for the people catching the fish and for those processing them.
But the Tories are claiming a bonanza, with statistics showing that catches and revenue are up.
So on one hand we have fishermen saying revenues are down, and Tories saying revenue is up...
Everyone’s lived experience is different. I’ve never been more comfortable in financial terms. That will be true of a large number of people.
Not that it will save the government.
I'm not quite sure what lived experience means that experience doesn't cover.
All experience is lived. That's what experience means.
I think it is meant to capture specifically things that a person may experience themselves directly. Eg someone whose family member has cancer has experience of cancer but only someone who has had cancer themselves has lived experience of cancer. That kind of thing. As I understand it it is designed to remove any potential ambiguities around the word experience to make it clear that we are talking about direct, lived, experience.
Experience means the same thing. Experience and direct experience are one and the same. Indirect experience doesn't exist.
If I was asked to give my experience of the covid pandemic my answer would be more general and include things that didnt impact me directly, perhaps like care homes and kids being taught at home. If I was asked to give my lived experience of the covid pandemic those things would not be included and replaced with things like how I felt during different times.
Lots of us understand what it means and will continue to use it. Language evolves and if people don't like that, it will happen anyway.
HIGHLIGHT OF YEAR: This Guy was removed from a WhatsApp group, he went and got a court order to be added back. They added him back and made him administrator then one by one left the group and created a new one. He is now heading back to court to get the members back on his WhatsApp group like the beginning. https://twitter.com/IamMzilikazi/status/1741107391591055432
The Ugandans? Ken ya believe it?
What was the Nazi solution to the Jewish problem when they ran out of Carbon Monoxide lorries?
HIGHLIGHT OF YEAR: This Guy was removed from a WhatsApp group, he went and got a court order to be added back. They added him back and made him administrator then one by one left the group and created a new one. He is now heading back to court to get the members back on his WhatsApp group like the beginning. https://twitter.com/IamMzilikazi/status/1741107391591055432
The Ugandans? Ken ya believe it?
What was the Nazi solution to the Jewish problem when they ran out of Carbon Monoxide lorries?
Can anybody explain why PB and the country seem obsessed with a pub game at this time of the year?
Why not shove ha'penny or Scottish football if we're obsessing about pub games/pub leagues?
Can anyone explain why half the country is still obsessed with a vote 8 years ago ?
Because most of the country thinks it has turned out shit?
They want to flush that great Brexit turd.
You see youre obsessed.
Why not just chill out and come to terms with it.
So if Lab wins the next election the country should just call it a day and say well that's that done with and settle down to a Lab govt for the next 50 years.
Is that how you are saying democracy should operate.
Youre mixing up a referndum with a parliamentary election. I'd say give it a generation same as Indyref.
You'd say, would you? Good to know. Meanwhile taking back control surely means nothing unless it means giving the people the opportunity to vote in line with their beliefs. A "generation" is just wishful thinking.
Who's stopping you voting in line with your beliefs ?
No one. That is my point. In 2017 people voted in line with their beliefs and had there been a second referendum, apart from being impractical and an administrative nightmare, it would have been a perfect example of democracy in action.
It would have been a democratic outrage, it would have smashed public consensus to pieces, half the country would have abstained in the fraudulent second referendum - leaving us where, exactly.: still inside Europe on a 40% turnout without ever having enacted the Leave vote? Imagine the aftermath of THAT. The urgent, militant calls for a THIRD vote, and so on, and so on: a pure, unending nightmare
AND it might well have caused severe civil unrest (if they can ignore your vote, what is left but violence?) and it would have destroyed British democracy for two generations, as people abandoned voting in elections as well (again, what is the point if your vote can be flatly ignored or overruled?)
Other than that, a 2nd referendum was a great idea
That's why referenda need supermajorities to protect from short term circumstance.
I think the cancellation of HS2 falls in a similar category. Consultations, votes, decades of planning - all in the bin on the whim of one man.
Can anybody explain why PB and the country seem obsessed with a pub game at this time of the year?
Why not shove ha'penny or Scottish football if we're obsessing about pub games/pub leagues?
Can anyone explain why half the country is still obsessed with a vote 8 years ago ?
Because most of the country thinks it has turned out shit?
They want to flush that great Brexit turd.
You see youre obsessed.
Why not just chill out and come to terms with it.
I am fine with it, Brexit has benefitted me personally, see my post at 7.47 which shows where the country is.
LOL, I have many friends in your position, they all claim they are doing well out of Brexit even though they voted Remain. But theyre still having a sulk because they called it wrong.
That's one of the great paradoxes of Brexit. The dynamic metropolises of Remania have economically adjusted, the backwaters of Leaverstan further degrade.
Real wages are actually growing and we have nearly full employment. The doom laden scenarios are nowhere to be seen. Manufacturing has even improved its position by overtaking France. Most of the UKs weaknesses are self inflicted and could have been sorted out in the EU, but none of the UK parties wanted to tackle them.
Really - I know the wages of no member of my family (either immediate or second level) have increased by above inflation.
And looking at the very large dataset I have for other people - nope I don’t see it, except at the very bottom of the market where I can see another large pay rise coming in April because the agencies legally need to pay it
And this is the Tory problem. They just keep saying things which are visibly and tangibly untrue to people's lived experiences.
A local example up here: fishing. According to the fishing community, Brexit has been bad. Things are much harder than they were both for the people catching the fish and for those processing them.
But the Tories are claiming a bonanza, with statistics showing that catches and revenue are up.
So on one hand we have fishermen saying revenues are down, and Tories saying revenue is up...
Everyone’s lived experience is different. I’ve never been more comfortable in financial terms. That will be true of a large number of people.
Not that it will save the government.
I'm not quite sure what lived experience means that experience doesn't cover.
All experience is lived. That's what experience means.
Perfectly clear what it means in this context to me. The country as a whole is experiencing one thing, each individual may be experiencing something opposite or just different to the collective.
Two graphs from the Resolution Foundation that sum it up;
Overall, incomes are going nowhere, and haven't been for ages;
The distribution of winners and losers this coming year is likely to be horrible. Partly because of the shape of tax changes, but mostly because of the end of Cost of Living payments;
HIGHLIGHT OF YEAR: This Guy was removed from a WhatsApp group, he went and got a court order to be added back. They added him back and made him administrator then one by one left the group and created a new one. He is now heading back to court to get the members back on his WhatsApp group like the beginning. https://twitter.com/IamMzilikazi/status/1741107391591055432
The Ugandans? Ken ya believe it?
What was the Nazi solution to the Jewish problem when they ran out of Carbon Monoxide lorries?
Can anybody explain why PB and the country seem obsessed with a pub game at this time of the year?
Why not shove ha'penny or Scottish football if we're obsessing about pub games/pub leagues?
Can anyone explain why half the country is still obsessed with a vote 8 years ago ?
Because most of the country thinks it has turned out shit?
They want to flush that great Brexit turd.
You see youre obsessed.
Why not just chill out and come to terms with it.
So if Lab wins the next election the country should just call it a day and say well that's that done with and settle down to a Lab govt for the next 50 years.
Is that how you are saying democracy should operate.
Youre mixing up a referndum with a parliamentary election. I'd say give it a generation same as Indyref.
You'd say, would you? Good to know. Meanwhile taking back control surely means nothing unless it means giving the people the opportunity to vote in line with their beliefs. A "generation" is just wishful thinking.
Who's stopping you voting in line with your beliefs ?
No one. That is my point. In 2017 people voted in line with their beliefs and had there been a second referendum, apart from being impractical and an administrative nightmare, it would have been a perfect example of democracy in action.
It would have been a democratic outrage, it would have smashed public consensus to pieces, half the country would have abstained in the fraudulent second referendum - leaving us where, exactly.: still inside Europe on a 40% turnout without ever having enacted the Leave vote? Imagine the aftermath of THAT. The urgent, militant calls for a THIRD vote, and so on, and so on: a pure, unending nightmare
AND it might well have caused severe civil unrest (if they can ignore your vote, what is left but violence?) and it would have destroyed British democracy for two generations, as people abandoned voting in elections as well (again, what is the point if your vote can be flatly ignored or overruled?)
Other than that, a 2nd referendum was a great idea
We are certainly not going to spend the day discussing this so I will help out with the last word on the matter.
In 2017 the UK electorate (me, you, a few others) voted in a parliament that was divided on the matter. Hence the subsequent chaos was voted for directly by us. Perfectly democratic. If Lab had gained power on the promise of a second referendum then that again would have been perfectly democratic. As would the second referendum. If you are saying votes by the UK public do not constitute democracy then I'm not quite sure why you are qualified to post on this site and perhaps you should stick to the Knappers' Gazette which, I am told, pays you for your efforts.
HIGHLIGHT OF YEAR: This Guy was removed from a WhatsApp group, he went and got a court order to be added back. They added him back and made him administrator then one by one left the group and created a new one. He is now heading back to court to get the members back on his WhatsApp group like the beginning. https://twitter.com/IamMzilikazi/status/1741107391591055432
The Ugandans? Ken ya believe it?
What was the Nazi solution to the Jewish problem when they ran out of Carbon Monoxide lorries?
Made A Gas Car
Too soon?
I honestly don't know how to react to that.
It's just a really bad pun ?
Well, that's one issue. It wasn't really why I was conflicted though...
HIGHLIGHT OF YEAR: This Guy was removed from a WhatsApp group, he went and got a court order to be added back. They added him back and made him administrator then one by one left the group and created a new one. He is now heading back to court to get the members back on his WhatsApp group like the beginning. https://twitter.com/IamMzilikazi/status/1741107391591055432
The Ugandans? Ken ya believe it?
What was the Nazi solution to the Jewish problem when they ran out of Carbon Monoxide lorries?
Made A Gas Car
Too soon?
I honestly don't know how to react to that.
It's just a really bad pun ?
It's just a really bad pun
It is 4.41pm in Bangers, I've done a hard day's work, and I am feeling whimsical and playful
Meanwhile, on that railway routes link that was posted.
Looking at a couple of the results (STP, PBO) I have to believe that it is the most boring endeavour on the planet. A bunch of yellow lines which, frankly, tell no one anything.
So just to be clear - an issue caused by maladministration at the DfE, and exacerbated by their decision to conceal a report until it was too late to do anything to avoid disaster, which has disrupted the education of thousands of children, is not going to see any consideration given to those children in the deeply flawed exams the DfE insisted on because that would be somehow bad?
It's a good job these people are so intelligent, hard working, concerned about the welfare and progress of children and therefore deserving of their massive salaries and pensions. I'd hate to see what lazy intellectually subnormal scum out to screw over the nation's youth while taking the piss as well as the money looked like.
That really is miserable. The stories about the poor folk in their RAAC schools.
Can anybody explain why PB and the country seem obsessed with a pub game at this time of the year?
Why not shove ha'penny or Scottish football if we're obsessing about pub games/pub leagues?
Can anyone explain why half the country is still obsessed with a vote 8 years ago ?
Because most of the country thinks it has turned out shit?
They want to flush that great Brexit turd.
You see youre obsessed.
Why not just chill out and come to terms with it.
So if Lab wins the next election the country should just call it a day and say well that's that done with and settle down to a Lab govt for the next 50 years.
Is that how you are saying democracy should operate.
Youre mixing up a referndum with a parliamentary election. I'd say give it a generation same as Indyref.
You'd say, would you? Good to know. Meanwhile taking back control surely means nothing unless it means giving the people the opportunity to vote in line with their beliefs. A "generation" is just wishful thinking.
Who's stopping you voting in line with your beliefs ?
No one. That is my point. In 2017 people voted in line with their beliefs and had there been a second referendum, apart from being impractical and an administrative nightmare, it would have been a perfect example of democracy in action.
It would have been a democratic outrage, it would have smashed public consensus to pieces, half the country would have abstained in the fraudulent second referendum - leaving us where, exactly.: still inside Europe on a 40% turnout without ever having enacted the Leave vote? Imagine the aftermath of THAT. The urgent, militant calls for a THIRD vote, and so on, and so on: a pure, unending nightmare
AND it might well have caused severe civil unrest (if they can ignore your vote, what is left but violence?) and it would have destroyed British democracy for two generations, as people abandoned voting in elections as well (again, what is the point if your vote can be flatly ignored or overruled?)
Other than that, a 2nd referendum was a great idea
We are certainly not going to spend the day discussing this so I will help out with the last word on the matter.
In 2017 the UK electorate (me, you, a few others) voted in a parliament that was divided on the matter. Hence the subsequent chaos was voted for directly by us. Perfectly democratic. If Lab had gained power on the promise of a second referendum then that again would have been perfectly democratic. As would the second referendum. If you are saying votes by the UK public do not constitute democracy then I'm not quite sure why you are qualified to post on this site and perhaps you should stick to the Knappers' Gazette which, I am told, pays you for your efforts.
Nah, that's total bollocks. And you know it
But I agree there is no point in our having this debate AGAIN, you are determined to pretend to believe your version of this, so good luck to you in LoopyLand
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The Ugandans? Ken ya believe it?
What was the Nazi solution to the Jewish problem when they ran out of Carbon Monoxide lorries?
Made A Gas Car
Too soon?
I honestly don't know how to react to that.
It's just a really bad pun ?
Well, that's one issue. It wasn't really why I was conflicted though...
It is coz it's a (very lame) Holocaust joke?
Is the Holocaust not joke-about-able?
A sincere question. I confess mixed feelings. A good Holocaust joke (ike the famous Bernard Manning one about the watchtower (or was it Jerry Sadowitz??) can be properly funny - as we have discussed on here. But they still feel taboo. Perhaps that is WHY they can be truly funny
Can anybody explain why PB and the country seem obsessed with a pub game at this time of the year?
Why not shove ha'penny or Scottish football if we're obsessing about pub games/pub leagues?
Can anyone explain why half the country is still obsessed with a vote 8 years ago ?
Because most of the country thinks it has turned out shit?
They want to flush that great Brexit turd.
You see youre obsessed.
Why not just chill out and come to terms with it.
I am fine with it, Brexit has benefitted me personally, see my post at 7.47 which shows where the country is.
LOL, I have many friends in your position, they all claim they are doing well out of Brexit even though they voted Remain. But theyre still having a sulk because they called it wrong.
That's one of the great paradoxes of Brexit. The dynamic metropolises of Remania have economically adjusted, the backwaters of Leaverstan further degrade.
Real wages are actually growing and we have nearly full employment. The doom laden scenarios are nowhere to be seen. Manufacturing has even improved its position by overtaking France. Most of the UKs weaknesses are self inflicted and could have been sorted out in the EU, but none of the UK parties wanted to tackle them.
Really - I know the wages of no member of my family (either immediate or second level) have increased by above inflation.
And looking at the very large dataset I have for other people - nope I don’t see it, except at the very bottom of the market where I can see another large pay rise coming in April because the agencies legally need to pay it
And this is the Tory problem. They just keep saying things which are visibly and tangibly untrue to people's lived experiences.
A local example up here: fishing. According to the fishing community, Brexit has been bad. Things are much harder than they were both for the people catching the fish and for those processing them.
But the Tories are claiming a bonanza, with statistics showing that catches and revenue are up.
So on one hand we have fishermen saying revenues are down, and Tories saying revenue is up...
Everyone’s lived experience is different. I’ve never been more comfortable in financial terms. That will be true of a large number of people.
Not that it will save the government.
I'm not quite sure what lived experience means that experience doesn't cover.
All experience is lived. That's what experience means.
I think it is meant to capture specifically things that a person may experience themselves directly. Eg someone whose family member has cancer has experience of cancer but only someone who has had cancer themselves has lived experience of cancer. That kind of thing. As I understand it it is designed to remove any potential ambiguities around the word experience to make it clear that we are talking about direct, lived, experience.
Experience means the same thing. Experience and direct experience are one and the same. Indirect experience doesn't exist.
There's plenty of room for ambiguity.
To take one example, there are a number of organisation which claim to sell you an "experience" of one sort or another. That's quite a different meaning.
And of course, the concept 'indirect experience' does exist. We quite happily talk about observing someone else and referring to their 'experience' without being told about it by them. Sometimes we call that empathy - which is its own form of experience.
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The Ugandans? Ken ya believe it?
What was the Nazi solution to the Jewish problem when they ran out of Carbon Monoxide lorries?
Made A Gas Car
Too soon?
We can most of us do this, you know. We just don't after turning 15.
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The Ugandans? Ken ya believe it?
What was the Nazi solution to the Jewish problem when they ran out of Carbon Monoxide lorries?
Made A Gas Car
Too soon?
We can most of us do this, you know. We just don't after turning 15.
Yes yes, I apologise, I am feeling juvenile (or, even more juvenile than usual)
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The Ugandans? Ken ya believe it?
What was the Nazi solution to the Jewish problem when they ran out of Carbon Monoxide lorries?
Made A Gas Car
Too soon?
I honestly don't know how to react to that.
It's just a really bad pun ?
Well, that's one issue. It wasn't really why I was conflicted though...
It is coz it's a (very lame) Holocaust joke?
Is the Holocaust not joke-about-able?
A sincere question. I confess mixed feelings. A good Holocaust joke (ike the famous Bernard Manning one about the watchtower (or was it Jerry Sadowitz??) can be properly funny - as we have discussed on here. But they still feel taboo. Perhaps that is WHY they can be truly funny
Yes, they can. David Baddiel told one once which went something like this (I'm probably about to mangle it so apologies if so; you'll get the gist) -
A survivor arrives in Heaven and tells god a Holocaust joke. God replies "that's not funny", to which the survivor replies "ach, I suppose you had to be there".
Can anybody explain why PB and the country seem obsessed with a pub game at this time of the year?
Why not shove ha'penny or Scottish football if we're obsessing about pub games/pub leagues?
Can anyone explain why half the country is still obsessed with a vote 8 years ago ?
Because most of the country thinks it has turned out shit?
They want to flush that great Brexit turd.
You see youre obsessed.
Why not just chill out and come to terms with it.
So if Lab wins the next election the country should just call it a day and say well that's that done with and settle down to a Lab govt for the next 50 years.
Is that how you are saying democracy should operate.
Youre mixing up a referndum with a parliamentary election. I'd say give it a generation same as Indyref.
You'd say, would you? Good to know. Meanwhile taking back control surely means nothing unless it means giving the people the opportunity to vote in line with their beliefs. A "generation" is just wishful thinking.
Who's stopping you voting in line with your beliefs ?
No one. That is my point. In 2017 people voted in line with their beliefs and had there been a second referendum, apart from being impractical and an administrative nightmare, it would have been a perfect example of democracy in action.
It would have been a democratic outrage, it would have smashed public consensus to pieces, half the country would have abstained in the fraudulent second referendum - leaving us where, exactly.: still inside Europe on a 40% turnout without ever having enacted the Leave vote? Imagine the aftermath of THAT. The urgent, militant calls for a THIRD vote, and so on, and so on: a pure, unending nightmare
AND it might well have caused severe civil unrest (if they can ignore your vote, what is left but violence?) and it would have destroyed British democracy for two generations, as people abandoned voting in elections as well (again, what is the point if your vote can be flatly ignored or overruled?)
Other than that, a 2nd referendum was a great idea
We are certainly not going to spend the day discussing this so I will help out with the last word on the matter.
In 2017 the UK electorate (me, you, a few others) voted in a parliament that was divided on the matter. Hence the subsequent chaos was voted for directly by us. Perfectly democratic. If Lab had gained power on the promise of a second referendum then that again would have been perfectly democratic. As would the second referendum. If you are saying votes by the UK public do not constitute democracy then I'm not quite sure why you are qualified to post on this site and perhaps you should stick to the Knappers' Gazette which, I am told, pays you for your efforts.
As David Davis put it,
If a democracy cannot change its mind, it ceases to be a democracy.
If the mind of the majority is to reverse Brexit, that will be the democratic thing to do. That wasn't the case in 2017-9, and I'm not sure it's the case now. It may never be the case, but every "oh, you'll never get support for that" barrier is being crossed, one at a time.
Don't worry, Leon. You'll still go down in history.
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The Ugandans? Ken ya believe it?
What was the Nazi solution to the Jewish problem when they ran out of Carbon Monoxide lorries?
Made A Gas Car
Too soon?
I honestly don't know how to react to that.
It's just a really bad pun ?
Well, that's one issue. It wasn't really why I was conflicted though...
It is coz it's a (very lame) Holocaust joke?
Is the Holocaust not joke-about-able?
A sincere question. I confess mixed feelings. A good Holocaust joke (ike the famous Bernard Manning one about the watchtower (or was it Jerry Sadowitz??) can be properly funny - as we have discussed on here. But they still feel taboo. Perhaps that is WHY they can be truly funny
Yes, they can. David Baddiel told one once which went something like this (I'm probably about to mangle it so apologies if so; you'll get the gist) -
A survivor arrives in Heaven and tells god a Holocaust joke. God replies "that's not funny", to which the survivor replies "ach, I suppose you had to be there".
That IS a good joke - quite profound - but I thought the creator was Ricky Gervais?
Can anybody explain why PB and the country seem obsessed with a pub game at this time of the year?
Why not shove ha'penny or Scottish football if we're obsessing about pub games/pub leagues?
Can anyone explain why half the country is still obsessed with a vote 8 years ago ?
Because most of the country thinks it has turned out shit?
They want to flush that great Brexit turd.
You see youre obsessed.
Why not just chill out and come to terms with it.
So if Lab wins the next election the country should just call it a day and say well that's that done with and settle down to a Lab govt for the next 50 years.
Is that how you are saying democracy should operate.
Youre mixing up a referndum with a parliamentary election. I'd say give it a generation same as Indyref.
You'd say, would you? Good to know. Meanwhile taking back control surely means nothing unless it means giving the people the opportunity to vote in line with their beliefs. A "generation" is just wishful thinking.
Who's stopping you voting in line with your beliefs ?
No one. That is my point. In 2017 people voted in line with their beliefs and had there been a second referendum, apart from being impractical and an administrative nightmare, it would have been a perfect example of democracy in action.
It would have been a democratic outrage, it would have smashed public consensus to pieces, half the country would have abstained in the fraudulent second referendum - leaving us where, exactly.: still inside Europe on a 40% turnout without ever having enacted the Leave vote? Imagine the aftermath of THAT. The urgent, militant calls for a THIRD vote, and so on, and so on: a pure, unending nightmare
AND it might well have caused severe civil unrest (if they can ignore your vote, what is left but violence?) and it would have destroyed British democracy for two generations, as people abandoned voting in elections as well (again, what is the point if your vote can be flatly ignored or overruled?)
Other than that, a 2nd referendum was a great idea
We are certainly not going to spend the day discussing this so I will help out with the last word on the matter.
In 2017 the UK electorate (me, you, a few others) voted in a parliament that was divided on the matter. Hence the subsequent chaos was voted for directly by us. Perfectly democratic. If Lab had gained power on the promise of a second referendum then that again would have been perfectly democratic. As would the second referendum. If you are saying votes by the UK public do not constitute democracy then I'm not quite sure why you are qualified to post on this site and perhaps you should stick to the Knappers' Gazette which, I am told, pays you for your efforts.
This is the entirety of the woke debate. I think this I am right Other people are wrong Anyone who thinks they are right and I am wrong are woke
On topic, as others have noted, MPs can be recalled now; they couldn't in 2005-10 (and the very reason why they can now, and the triggers are what they are, is precisely because of the expenses scandal of that parliament).
Can anybody explain why PB and the country seem obsessed with a pub game at this time of the year?
Why not shove ha'penny or Scottish football if we're obsessing about pub games/pub leagues?
Can anyone explain why half the country is still obsessed with a vote 8 years ago ?
Because most of the country thinks it has turned out shit?
They want to flush that great Brexit turd.
You see youre obsessed.
Why not just chill out and come to terms with it.
So if Lab wins the next election the country should just call it a day and say well that's that done with and settle down to a Lab govt for the next 50 years.
Is that how you are saying democracy should operate.
Youre mixing up a referndum with a parliamentary election. I'd say give it a generation same as Indyref.
You'd say, would you? Good to know. Meanwhile taking back control surely means nothing unless it means giving the people the opportunity to vote in line with their beliefs. A "generation" is just wishful thinking.
Who's stopping you voting in line with your beliefs ?
No one. That is my point. In 2017 people voted in line with their beliefs and had there been a second referendum, apart from being impractical and an administrative nightmare, it would have been a perfect example of democracy in action.
It would have been a democratic outrage, it would have smashed public consensus to pieces, half the country would have abstained in the fraudulent second referendum - leaving us where, exactly.: still inside Europe on a 40% turnout without ever having enacted the Leave vote? Imagine the aftermath of THAT. The urgent, militant calls for a THIRD vote, and so on, and so on: a pure, unending nightmare
AND it might well have caused severe civil unrest (if they can ignore your vote, what is left but violence?) and it would have destroyed British democracy for two generations, as people abandoned voting in elections as well (again, what is the point if your vote can be flatly ignored or overruled?)
Other than that, a 2nd referendum was a great idea
We are certainly not going to spend the day discussing this so I will help out with the last word on the matter.
In 2017 the UK electorate (me, you, a few others) voted in a parliament that was divided on the matter. Hence the subsequent chaos was voted for directly by us. Perfectly democratic. If Lab had gained power on the promise of a second referendum then that again would have been perfectly democratic. As would the second referendum. If you are saying votes by the UK public do not constitute democracy then I'm not quite sure why you are qualified to post on this site and perhaps you should stick to the Knappers' Gazette which, I am told, pays you for your efforts.
This is the entirety of the woke debate. I think this I am right Other people are wrong Anyone who thinks they are right and I am wrong are woke
No, that is not the "entirety of the woke debate"
You surely know this, so why trot out this gibberish?
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The Ugandans? Ken ya believe it?
What was the Nazi solution to the Jewish problem when they ran out of Carbon Monoxide lorries?
Made A Gas Car
Too soon?
I honestly don't know how to react to that.
It's just a really bad pun ?
Well, that's one issue. It wasn't really why I was conflicted though...
It is coz it's a (very lame) Holocaust joke?
Is the Holocaust not joke-about-able?
A sincere question. I confess mixed feelings. A good Holocaust joke (ike the famous Bernard Manning one about the watchtower (or was it Jerry Sadowitz??) can be properly funny - as we have discussed on here. But they still feel taboo. Perhaps that is WHY they can be truly funny
Yes, they can. David Baddiel told one once which went something like this (I'm probably about to mangle it so apologies if so; you'll get the gist) -
A survivor arrives in Heaven and tells god a Holocaust joke. God replies "that's not funny", to which the survivor replies "ach, I suppose you had to be there".
That IS a good joke - quite profound - but I thought the creator was Ricky Gervais?
I remember Baddiel telling the joke; I don't recall if he was the author - he may well have given attribution elsewhere if that was the case. It could have been out of Jews Don't Count or related writing rather than his own comedy.
Can anybody explain why PB and the country seem obsessed with a pub game at this time of the year?
Why not shove ha'penny or Scottish football if we're obsessing about pub games/pub leagues?
Can anyone explain why half the country is still obsessed with a vote 8 years ago ?
Because most of the country thinks it has turned out shit?
They want to flush that great Brexit turd.
You see youre obsessed.
Why not just chill out and come to terms with it.
So if Lab wins the next election the country should just call it a day and say well that's that done with and settle down to a Lab govt for the next 50 years.
Is that how you are saying democracy should operate.
Youre mixing up a referndum with a parliamentary election. I'd say give it a generation same as Indyref.
You'd say, would you? Good to know. Meanwhile taking back control surely means nothing unless it means giving the people the opportunity to vote in line with their beliefs. A "generation" is just wishful thinking.
Who's stopping you voting in line with your beliefs ?
No one. That is my point. In 2017 people voted in line with their beliefs and had there been a second referendum, apart from being impractical and an administrative nightmare, it would have been a perfect example of democracy in action.
It would have been a democratic outrage, it would have smashed public consensus to pieces, half the country would have abstained in the fraudulent second referendum - leaving us where, exactly.: still inside Europe on a 40% turnout without ever having enacted the Leave vote? Imagine the aftermath of THAT. The urgent, militant calls for a THIRD vote, and so on, and so on: a pure, unending nightmare
AND it might well have caused severe civil unrest (if they can ignore your vote, what is left but violence?) and it would have destroyed British democracy for two generations, as people abandoned voting in elections as well (again, what is the point if your vote can be flatly ignored or overruled?)
Other than that, a 2nd referendum was a great idea
We are certainly not going to spend the day discussing this so I will help out with the last word on the matter.
In 2017 the UK electorate (me, you, a few others) voted in a parliament that was divided on the matter. Hence the subsequent chaos was voted for directly by us. Perfectly democratic. If Lab had gained power on the promise of a second referendum then that again would have been perfectly democratic. As would the second referendum. If you are saying votes by the UK public do not constitute democracy then I'm not quite sure why you are qualified to post on this site and perhaps you should stick to the Knappers' Gazette which, I am told, pays you for your efforts.
This is the entirety of the woke debate. I think this I am right Other people are wrong Anyone who thinks they are right and I am wrong are woke
No, that is not the "entirety of the woke debate"
You surely know this, so why trot out this gibberish?
The BBC has an interesting take on the dismissal/resignation of Claudine Gay from Harvard after the scandalous testimony then plagiarism.
Basically it’s all down to the far right, Trump and pandering to fascists. Including a quote from someone giving that view.
The whole country is not gripped by darts fever. I know @kinabalu is a big fan but I am not and therefore I cancel out his vote. And not for the first time.
Well that's a shame. You're missing out. It's always the best way to start the New Year, the Ally Pally darts, and this one is something special with the amazing 16 year old prodigy Luke Littler (great name too). It's like he was born for the oche. You can imagine his position on those first precious scans being upright, elbow bent, aiming for double top.
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The Ugandans? Ken ya believe it?
What was the Nazi solution to the Jewish problem when they ran out of Carbon Monoxide lorries?
Made A Gas Car
Too soon?
I honestly don't know how to react to that.
It's just a really bad pun ?
Well, that's one issue. It wasn't really why I was conflicted though...
It is coz it's a (very lame) Holocaust joke?
Is the Holocaust not joke-about-able?
A sincere question. I confess mixed feelings. A good Holocaust joke (ike the famous Bernard Manning one about the watchtower (or was it Jerry Sadowitz??) can be properly funny - as we have discussed on here. But they still feel taboo. Perhaps that is WHY they can be truly funny
Yes, they can. David Baddiel told one once which went something like this (I'm probably about to mangle it so apologies if so; you'll get the gist) -
A survivor arrives in Heaven and tells god a Holocaust joke. God replies "that's not funny", to which the survivor replies "ach, I suppose you had to be there".
That IS a good joke - quite profound - but I thought the creator was Ricky Gervais?
I remember Baddiel telling the joke; I don't recall if he was the author - he may well have given attribution elsewhere if that was the case. It may well have been out of Jews Don't Count or related writing rather than his own comedy.
According to Baddiel himself, the creator might have been one Devorah Laum
Can anybody explain why PB and the country seem obsessed with a pub game at this time of the year?
Why not shove ha'penny or Scottish football if we're obsessing about pub games/pub leagues?
Can anyone explain why half the country is still obsessed with a vote 8 years ago ?
Because most of the country thinks it has turned out shit?
They want to flush that great Brexit turd.
You see youre obsessed.
Why not just chill out and come to terms with it.
So if Lab wins the next election the country should just call it a day and say well that's that done with and settle down to a Lab govt for the next 50 years.
Is that how you are saying democracy should operate.
Youre mixing up a referndum with a parliamentary election. I'd say give it a generation same as Indyref.
You'd say, would you? Good to know. Meanwhile taking back control surely means nothing unless it means giving the people the opportunity to vote in line with their beliefs. A "generation" is just wishful thinking.
Who's stopping you voting in line with your beliefs ?
No one. That is my point. In 2017 people voted in line with their beliefs and had there been a second referendum, apart from being impractical and an administrative nightmare, it would have been a perfect example of democracy in action.
It would have been a democratic outrage, it would have smashed public consensus to pieces, half the country would have abstained in the fraudulent second referendum - leaving us where, exactly.: still inside Europe on a 40% turnout without ever having enacted the Leave vote? Imagine the aftermath of THAT. The urgent, militant calls for a THIRD vote, and so on, and so on: a pure, unending nightmare
AND it might well have caused severe civil unrest (if they can ignore your vote, what is left but violence?) and it would have destroyed British democracy for two generations, as people abandoned voting in elections as well (again, what is the point if your vote can be flatly ignored or overruled?)
Other than that, a 2nd referendum was a great idea
We are certainly not going to spend the day discussing this so I will help out with the last word on the matter.
In 2017 the UK electorate (me, you, a few others) voted in a parliament that was divided on the matter. Hence the subsequent chaos was voted for directly by us. Perfectly democratic. If Lab had gained power on the promise of a second referendum then that again would have been perfectly democratic. As would the second referendum. If you are saying votes by the UK public do not constitute democracy then I'm not quite sure why you are qualified to post on this site and perhaps you should stick to the Knappers' Gazette which, I am told, pays you for your efforts.
This is the entirety of the woke debate. I think this I am right Other people are wrong Anyone who thinks they are right and I am wrong are woke
No, that is not the "entirety of the woke debate"
You surely know this, so why trot out this gibberish?
The BBC has an interesting take on the dismissal/resignation of Claudine Gay from Harvard after the scandalous testimony then plagiarism.
Basically it’s all down to the far right, Trump and pandering to fascists. Including a quote from someone giving that view.
HIGHLIGHT OF YEAR: This Guy was removed from a WhatsApp group, he went and got a court order to be added back. They added him back and made him administrator then one by one left the group and created a new one. He is now heading back to court to get the members back on his WhatsApp group like the beginning. https://twitter.com/IamMzilikazi/status/1741107391591055432
The Ugandans? Ken ya believe it?
What was the Nazi solution to the Jewish problem when they ran out of Carbon Monoxide lorries?
Made A Gas Car
Too soon?
I honestly don't know how to react to that.
It's just a really bad pun ?
Well, that's one issue. It wasn't really why I was conflicted though...
It is coz it's a (very lame) Holocaust joke?
Is the Holocaust not joke-about-able?
A sincere question. I confess mixed feelings. A good Holocaust joke (ike the famous Bernard Manning one about the watchtower (or was it Jerry Sadowitz??) can be properly funny - as we have discussed on here. But they still feel taboo. Perhaps that is WHY they can be truly funny
Yes, they can. David Baddiel told one once which went something like this (I'm probably about to mangle it so apologies if so; you'll get the gist) -
A survivor arrives in Heaven and tells god a Holocaust joke. God replies "that's not funny", to which the survivor replies "ach, I suppose you had to be there".
That IS a good joke - quite profound - but I thought the creator was Ricky Gervais?
I remember Baddiel telling the joke; I don't recall if he was the author - he may well have given attribution elsewhere if that was the case. It could have been out of Jews Don't Count or related writing rather than his own comedy.
It’s almost as old as the watchtower one. Which was told to me a teenager by the Chief Rabbi of Northern Ireland.
Who also commented on why NI was so safe for Jews.
Can anybody explain why PB and the country seem obsessed with a pub game at this time of the year?
Why not shove ha'penny or Scottish football if we're obsessing about pub games/pub leagues?
Can anyone explain why half the country is still obsessed with a vote 8 years ago ?
Because most of the country thinks it has turned out shit?
They want to flush that great Brexit turd.
You see youre obsessed.
Why not just chill out and come to terms with it.
So if Lab wins the next election the country should just call it a day and say well that's that done with and settle down to a Lab govt for the next 50 years.
Is that how you are saying democracy should operate.
Youre mixing up a referndum with a parliamentary election. I'd say give it a generation same as Indyref.
You'd say, would you? Good to know. Meanwhile taking back control surely means nothing unless it means giving the people the opportunity to vote in line with their beliefs. A "generation" is just wishful thinking.
Who's stopping you voting in line with your beliefs ?
No one. That is my point. In 2017 people voted in line with their beliefs and had there been a second referendum, apart from being impractical and an administrative nightmare, it would have been a perfect example of democracy in action.
It would have been a democratic outrage, it would have smashed public consensus to pieces, half the country would have abstained in the fraudulent second referendum - leaving us where, exactly.: still inside Europe on a 40% turnout without ever having enacted the Leave vote? Imagine the aftermath of THAT. The urgent, militant calls for a THIRD vote, and so on, and so on: a pure, unending nightmare
AND it might well have caused severe civil unrest (if they can ignore your vote, what is left but violence?) and it would have destroyed British democracy for two generations, as people abandoned voting in elections as well (again, what is the point if your vote can be flatly ignored or overruled?)
Other than that, a 2nd referendum was a great idea
We are certainly not going to spend the day discussing this so I will help out with the last word on the matter.
In 2017 the UK electorate (me, you, a few others) voted in a parliament that was divided on the matter. Hence the subsequent chaos was voted for directly by us. Perfectly democratic. If Lab had gained power on the promise of a second referendum then that again would have been perfectly democratic. As would the second referendum. If you are saying votes by the UK public do not constitute democracy then I'm not quite sure why you are qualified to post on this site and perhaps you should stick to the Knappers' Gazette which, I am told, pays you for your efforts.
As David Davis put it,
If a democracy cannot change its mind, it ceases to be a democracy.
If the mind of the majority is to reverse Brexit, that will be the democratic thing to do. That wasn't the case in 2017-9, and I'm not sure it's the case now. It may never be the case, but every "oh, you'll never get support for that" barrier is being crossed, one at a time.
Don't worry, Leon. You'll still go down in history.
There are five stages to a fair democratic process. You need a 'yes' to all five for democracy to take place.
1. Can candidates, electors and parties register fairly and freely, without undue impediment? 2. Can candidates and parties campaign fairly, with reasonable access to the media and the public? 3. Can voters cast their votes equitably and in a simple and timely manner? 4. Are votes counted speedily and the result declared accurately? 5. Is the result implemented?
A second referendum before the first was implemented - other than on the nature of what Brexit would be - would have violated the fifth condition. Once Britain voted to leave, it was necessary that we left to complete that democratic exercise. Now we have left, that mandate is expired and if people want to rejoin that's an entirely legitimate campaign for them to engage in.
But not carrying out Brexit would have been like holding a general election, not changing the govt after it lost, and holding a second election instead.
Can anybody explain why PB and the country seem obsessed with a pub game at this time of the year?
Why not shove ha'penny or Scottish football if we're obsessing about pub games/pub leagues?
Can anyone explain why half the country is still obsessed with a vote 8 years ago ?
Because most of the country thinks it has turned out shit?
They want to flush that great Brexit turd.
You see youre obsessed.
Why not just chill out and come to terms with it.
So if Lab wins the next election the country should just call it a day and say well that's that done with and settle down to a Lab govt for the next 50 years.
Is that how you are saying democracy should operate.
Youre mixing up a referndum with a parliamentary election. I'd say give it a generation same as Indyref.
You'd say, would you? Good to know. Meanwhile taking back control surely means nothing unless it means giving the people the opportunity to vote in line with their beliefs. A "generation" is just wishful thinking.
Who's stopping you voting in line with your beliefs ?
No one. That is my point. In 2017 people voted in line with their beliefs and had there been a second referendum, apart from being impractical and an administrative nightmare, it would have been a perfect example of democracy in action.
It would have been a democratic outrage, it would have smashed public consensus to pieces, half the country would have abstained in the fraudulent second referendum - leaving us where, exactly.: still inside Europe on a 40% turnout without ever having enacted the Leave vote? Imagine the aftermath of THAT. The urgent, militant calls for a THIRD vote, and so on, and so on: a pure, unending nightmare
AND it might well have caused severe civil unrest (if they can ignore your vote, what is left but violence?) and it would have destroyed British democracy for two generations, as people abandoned voting in elections as well (again, what is the point if your vote can be flatly ignored or overruled?)
Other than that, a 2nd referendum was a great idea
We are certainly not going to spend the day discussing this so I will help out with the last word on the matter.
In 2017 the UK electorate (me, you, a few others) voted in a parliament that was divided on the matter. Hence the subsequent chaos was voted for directly by us. Perfectly democratic. If Lab had gained power on the promise of a second referendum then that again would have been perfectly democratic. As would the second referendum. If you are saying votes by the UK public do not constitute democracy then I'm not quite sure why you are qualified to post on this site and perhaps you should stick to the Knappers' Gazette which, I am told, pays you for your efforts.
This is the entirety of the woke debate. I think this I am right Other people are wrong Anyone who thinks they are right and I am wrong are woke
No, that is not the "entirety of the woke debate"
You surely know this, so why trot out this gibberish?
The BBC has an interesting take on the dismissal/resignation of Claudine Gay from Harvard after the scandalous testimony then plagiarism.
Basically it’s all down to the far right, Trump and pandering to fascists. Including a quote from someone giving that view.
BBC journalism is astonishingly poor and somewhat partisan.
The response in Germany to a scandal where a number of politicians were discovered to have plagiarised their theses was interesting.
A journalist realised that you could have a lot of fun by downloading the theses of various people and running them through a plagiarism detector.
A number of universities sequestered the theses of “notable” people, in response.
The plagiarism criticisms of Gay that I've seen were pretty trivial stuff, blown out of all proportion. There were, of course, other criticisms of Gay that are of more significance.
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The Ugandans? Ken ya believe it?
What was the Nazi solution to the Jewish problem when they ran out of Carbon Monoxide lorries?
Made A Gas Car
Too soon?
I honestly don't know how to react to that.
It's just a really bad pun ?
Well, that's one issue. It wasn't really why I was conflicted though...
It is coz it's a (very lame) Holocaust joke?
Is the Holocaust not joke-about-able?
A sincere question. I confess mixed feelings. A good Holocaust joke (ike the famous Bernard Manning one about the watchtower (or was it Jerry Sadowitz??) can be properly funny - as we have discussed on here. But they still feel taboo. Perhaps that is WHY they can be truly funny
Yes, they can. David Baddiel told one once which went something like this (I'm probably about to mangle it so apologies if so; you'll get the gist) -
A survivor arrives in Heaven and tells god a Holocaust joke. God replies "that's not funny", to which the survivor replies "ach, I suppose you had to be there".
That IS a good joke - quite profound - but I thought the creator was Ricky Gervais?
I remember Baddiel telling the joke; I don't recall if he was the author - he may well have given attribution elsewhere if that was the case. It could have been out of Jews Don't Count or related writing rather than his own comedy.
It’s almost as old as the watchtower one. Which was told to me a teenager by the Chief Rabbi of Northern Ireland.
Who also commented on why NI was so safe for Jews.
Because everyone already had someone else to hate?
HIGHLIGHT OF YEAR: This Guy was removed from a WhatsApp group, he went and got a court order to be added back. They added him back and made him administrator then one by one left the group and created a new one. He is now heading back to court to get the members back on his WhatsApp group like the beginning. https://twitter.com/IamMzilikazi/status/1741107391591055432
The Ugandans? Ken ya believe it?
What was the Nazi solution to the Jewish problem when they ran out of Carbon Monoxide lorries?
Made A Gas Car
Too soon?
I honestly don't know how to react to that.
It's just a really bad pun ?
Well, that's one issue. It wasn't really why I was conflicted though...
It is coz it's a (very lame) Holocaust joke?
Is the Holocaust not joke-about-able?
A sincere question. I confess mixed feelings. A good Holocaust joke (ike the famous Bernard Manning one about the watchtower (or was it Jerry Sadowitz??) can be properly funny - as we have discussed on here. But they still feel taboo. Perhaps that is WHY they can be truly funny
Yes, they can. David Baddiel told one once which went something like this (I'm probably about to mangle it so apologies if so; you'll get the gist) -
A survivor arrives in Heaven and tells god a Holocaust joke. God replies "that's not funny", to which the survivor replies "ach, I suppose you had to be there".
That IS a good joke - quite profound - but I thought the creator was Ricky Gervais?
I remember Baddiel telling the joke; I don't recall if he was the author - he may well have given attribution elsewhere if that was the case. It could have been out of Jews Don't Count or related writing rather than his own comedy.
It’s almost as old as the watchtower one. Which was told to me a teenager by the Chief Rabbi of Northern Ireland.
Who also commented on why NI was so safe for Jews.
Yes, but was he a Protestant Jew or a Catholic Jew? (To steal another old joke).
HIGHLIGHT OF YEAR: This Guy was removed from a WhatsApp group, he went and got a court order to be added back. They added him back and made him administrator then one by one left the group and created a new one. He is now heading back to court to get the members back on his WhatsApp group like the beginning. https://twitter.com/IamMzilikazi/status/1741107391591055432
The Ugandans? Ken ya believe it?
What was the Nazi solution to the Jewish problem when they ran out of Carbon Monoxide lorries?
Made A Gas Car
Too soon?
I honestly don't know how to react to that.
It's just a really bad pun ?
Well, that's one issue. It wasn't really why I was conflicted though...
It is coz it's a (very lame) Holocaust joke?
Is the Holocaust not joke-about-able?
A sincere question. I confess mixed feelings. A good Holocaust joke (ike the famous Bernard Manning one about the watchtower (or was it Jerry Sadowitz??) can be properly funny - as we have discussed on here. But they still feel taboo. Perhaps that is WHY they can be truly funny
Yes, they can. David Baddiel told one once which went something like this (I'm probably about to mangle it so apologies if so; you'll get the gist) -
A survivor arrives in Heaven and tells god a Holocaust joke. God replies "that's not funny", to which the survivor replies "ach, I suppose you had to be there".
That IS a good joke - quite profound - but I thought the creator was Ricky Gervais?
I remember Baddiel telling the joke; I don't recall if he was the author - he may well have given attribution elsewhere if that was the case. It could have been out of Jews Don't Count or related writing rather than his own comedy.
It’s almost as old as the watchtower one. Which was told to me a teenager by the Chief Rabbi of Northern Ireland.
Who also commented on why NI was so safe for Jews.
Because everyone already had someone else to hate?
Yup. The market for hate was well and truly saturated.
Sadly, since the “Peace Process”, other forms of racism have jumped in NI. Including antisemitism. So it was a joke about the truth.
Can anybody explain why PB and the country seem obsessed with a pub game at this time of the year?
Why not shove ha'penny or Scottish football if we're obsessing about pub games/pub leagues?
Can anyone explain why half the country is still obsessed with a vote 8 years ago ?
Because most of the country thinks it has turned out shit?
They want to flush that great Brexit turd.
You see youre obsessed.
Why not just chill out and come to terms with it.
So if Lab wins the next election the country should just call it a day and say well that's that done with and settle down to a Lab govt for the next 50 years.
Is that how you are saying democracy should operate.
Youre mixing up a referndum with a parliamentary election. I'd say give it a generation same as Indyref.
You'd say, would you? Good to know. Meanwhile taking back control surely means nothing unless it means giving the people the opportunity to vote in line with their beliefs. A "generation" is just wishful thinking.
Who's stopping you voting in line with your beliefs ?
No one. That is my point. In 2017 people voted in line with their beliefs and had there been a second referendum, apart from being impractical and an administrative nightmare, it would have been a perfect example of democracy in action.
It would have been a democratic outrage, it would have smashed public consensus to pieces, half the country would have abstained in the fraudulent second referendum - leaving us where, exactly.: still inside Europe on a 40% turnout without ever having enacted the Leave vote? Imagine the aftermath of THAT. The urgent, militant calls for a THIRD vote, and so on, and so on: a pure, unending nightmare
AND it might well have caused severe civil unrest (if they can ignore your vote, what is left but violence?) and it would have destroyed British democracy for two generations, as people abandoned voting in elections as well (again, what is the point if your vote can be flatly ignored or overruled?)
Other than that, a 2nd referendum was a great idea
We are certainly not going to spend the day discussing this so I will help out with the last word on the matter.
In 2017 the UK electorate (me, you, a few others) voted in a parliament that was divided on the matter. Hence the subsequent chaos was voted for directly by us. Perfectly democratic. If Lab had gained power on the promise of a second referendum then that again would have been perfectly democratic. As would the second referendum. If you are saying votes by the UK public do not constitute democracy then I'm not quite sure why you are qualified to post on this site and perhaps you should stick to the Knappers' Gazette which, I am told, pays you for your efforts.
This is the entirety of the woke debate. I think this I am right Other people are wrong Anyone who thinks they are right and I am wrong are woke
No, that is not the "entirety of the woke debate"
You surely know this, so why trot out this gibberish?
The BBC has an interesting take on the dismissal/resignation of Claudine Gay from Harvard after the scandalous testimony then plagiarism.
Basically it’s all down to the far right, Trump and pandering to fascists. Including a quote from someone giving that view.
BBC journalism is astonishingly poor and somewhat partisan.
The response in Germany to a scandal where a number of politicians were discovered to have plagiarised their theses was interesting.
A journalist realised that you could have a lot of fun by downloading the theses of various people and running them through a plagiarism detector.
A number of universities sequestered the theses of “notable” people, in response.
The plagiarism criticisms of Gay that I've seen were pretty trivial stuff, blown out of all proportion. There were, of course, other criticisms of Gay that are of more significance.
Virtually every paper she has published has evidence of plagiarism. However, this isn't hard, as she has only published 11, and no books - the most meagre academic record of any Harvard president in history
She was a diversity hire, and she isn't very smart: hence her mulish and foolish responses to the genocide questions in Congress
Our experiences judge our mood. I have been in East Surrey hospital keeping an eye on a 94 yr old father in law who was on a trolley (along with about 40.others in corridors) from 10 am.Monday till 5pm yesterday when he had an endoscopy. At least he is now in a bed being properly cared for. God alone knows what it will be like going forward with junior doctors on strike. Here at least the law must be changed to stop health staff from striking and a national.formula for pay agreed. I was almost in tears for some of the mainly elderly there. There also needs to be an agreement for numbers of doctors and nurses in proportion to.population. it cannot go on like this.
The reason for the strikes is that the pay review board system is broken. I voted to accept the Consultants deal in part because it includes a commitment to reform the pay board.
No one is happy that the strikes are resuming, but there are no negotiations at the moment to stop them.
Can anybody explain why PB and the country seem obsessed with a pub game at this time of the year?
Why not shove ha'penny or Scottish football if we're obsessing about pub games/pub leagues?
Can anyone explain why half the country is still obsessed with a vote 8 years ago ?
Because most of the country thinks it has turned out shit?
They want to flush that great Brexit turd.
You see youre obsessed.
Why not just chill out and come to terms with it.
So if Lab wins the next election the country should just call it a day and say well that's that done with and settle down to a Lab govt for the next 50 years.
Is that how you are saying democracy should operate.
Youre mixing up a referndum with a parliamentary election. I'd say give it a generation same as Indyref.
You'd say, would you? Good to know. Meanwhile taking back control surely means nothing unless it means giving the people the opportunity to vote in line with their beliefs. A "generation" is just wishful thinking.
Who's stopping you voting in line with your beliefs ?
No one. That is my point. In 2017 people voted in line with their beliefs and had there been a second referendum, apart from being impractical and an administrative nightmare, it would have been a perfect example of democracy in action.
It would have been a democratic outrage, it would have smashed public consensus to pieces, half the country would have abstained in the fraudulent second referendum - leaving us where, exactly.: still inside Europe on a 40% turnout without ever having enacted the Leave vote? Imagine the aftermath of THAT. The urgent, militant calls for a THIRD vote, and so on, and so on: a pure, unending nightmare
AND it might well have caused severe civil unrest (if they can ignore your vote, what is left but violence?) and it would have destroyed British democracy for two generations, as people abandoned voting in elections as well (again, what is the point if your vote can be flatly ignored or overruled?)
Other than that, a 2nd referendum was a great idea
We are certainly not going to spend the day discussing this so I will help out with the last word on the matter.
In 2017 the UK electorate (me, you, a few others) voted in a parliament that was divided on the matter. Hence the subsequent chaos was voted for directly by us. Perfectly democratic. If Lab had gained power on the promise of a second referendum then that again would have been perfectly democratic. As would the second referendum. If you are saying votes by the UK public do not constitute democracy then I'm not quite sure why you are qualified to post on this site and perhaps you should stick to the Knappers' Gazette which, I am told, pays you for your efforts.
As David Davis put it,
If a democracy cannot change its mind, it ceases to be a democracy.
If the mind of the majority is to reverse Brexit, that will be the democratic thing to do. That wasn't the case in 2017-9, and I'm not sure it's the case now. It may never be the case, but every "oh, you'll never get support for that" barrier is being crossed, one at a time.
Don't worry, Leon. You'll still go down in history.
There are five stages to a fair democratic process. You need a 'yes' to all five for democracy to take place.
1. Can candidates, electors and parties register fairly and freely, without undue impediment? 2. Can candidates and parties campaign fairly, with reasonable access to the media and the public? 3. Can voters cast their votes equitably and in a simple and timely manner? 4. Are votes counted speedily and the result declared accurately? 5. Is the result implemented?
A second referendum before the first was implemented - other than on the nature of what Brexit would be - would have violated the fifth condition. Once Britain voted to leave, it was necessary that we left to complete that democratic exercise. Now we have left, that mandate is expired and if people want to rejoin that's an entirely legitimate campaign for them to engage in.
But not carrying out Brexit would have been like holding a general election, not changing the govt after it lost, and holding a second election instead.
Well said. I voted Remain and agree entirely.
Why aren't the government trumpeting the advantages of leaving? Sensible remain (and Leave) voters appreciate that this was all about pros and cons.
A pro: We are not sending all that money to the EU anymore.
Have the remaining members experienced rising contributions since we left? If yes, by what percentage each year? What does this translate into in terms of additional cost saving if we have stayed in?
The government is such an idiot. Why isn't there an online counter, scrupulously fact-checked, ticking up each day with the money saved since we left?
An obvious thing to do to remind and re-enforce one of the main benefits of leaving.
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The Ugandans? Ken ya believe it?
What was the Nazi solution to the Jewish problem when they ran out of Carbon Monoxide lorries?
Made A Gas Car
Too soon?
I honestly don't know how to react to that.
It's just a really bad pun ?
Well, that's one issue. It wasn't really why I was conflicted though...
It is coz it's a (very lame) Holocaust joke?
Is the Holocaust not joke-about-able?
A sincere question. I confess mixed feelings. A good Holocaust joke (ike the famous Bernard Manning one about the watchtower (or was it Jerry Sadowitz??) can be properly funny - as we have discussed on here. But they still feel taboo. Perhaps that is WHY they can be truly funny
Yes, they can. David Baddiel told one once which went something like this (I'm probably about to mangle it so apologies if so; you'll get the gist) -
A survivor arrives in Heaven and tells god a Holocaust joke. God replies "that's not funny", to which the survivor replies "ach, I suppose you had to be there".
That IS a good joke - quite profound - but I thought the creator was Ricky Gervais?
I remember Baddiel telling the joke; I don't recall if he was the author - he may well have given attribution elsewhere if that was the case. It could have been out of Jews Don't Count or related writing rather than his own comedy.
It’s almost as old as the watchtower one. Which was told to me a teenager by the Chief Rabbi of Northern Ireland.
Who also commented on why NI was so safe for Jews.
Yes, but was he a Protestant Jew or a Catholic Jew? (To steal another old joke).
Hopefully all the reservoirs are now full. That was a big problem until fairly recently.
Surprisingly hard to get a full reservoir, even in the NW. But OTOH, even last summer in the NW, the emptiness of our reservoirs was never really a problem.
Can anybody explain why PB and the country seem obsessed with a pub game at this time of the year?
Why not shove ha'penny or Scottish football if we're obsessing about pub games/pub leagues?
Can anyone explain why half the country is still obsessed with a vote 8 years ago ?
Because most of the country thinks it has turned out shit?
They want to flush that great Brexit turd.
You see youre obsessed.
Why not just chill out and come to terms with it.
So if Lab wins the next election the country should just call it a day and say well that's that done with and settle down to a Lab govt for the next 50 years.
Is that how you are saying democracy should operate.
Youre mixing up a referndum with a parliamentary election. I'd say give it a generation same as Indyref.
You'd say, would you? Good to know. Meanwhile taking back control surely means nothing unless it means giving the people the opportunity to vote in line with their beliefs. A "generation" is just wishful thinking.
Who's stopping you voting in line with your beliefs ?
No one. That is my point. In 2017 people voted in line with their beliefs and had there been a second referendum, apart from being impractical and an administrative nightmare, it would have been a perfect example of democracy in action.
It would have been a democratic outrage, it would have smashed public consensus to pieces, half the country would have abstained in the fraudulent second referendum - leaving us where, exactly.: still inside Europe on a 40% turnout without ever having enacted the Leave vote? Imagine the aftermath of THAT. The urgent, militant calls for a THIRD vote, and so on, and so on: a pure, unending nightmare
AND it might well have caused severe civil unrest (if they can ignore your vote, what is left but violence?) and it would have destroyed British democracy for two generations, as people abandoned voting in elections as well (again, what is the point if your vote can be flatly ignored or overruled?)
Other than that, a 2nd referendum was a great idea
We are certainly not going to spend the day discussing this so I will help out with the last word on the matter.
In 2017 the UK electorate (me, you, a few others) voted in a parliament that was divided on the matter. Hence the subsequent chaos was voted for directly by us. Perfectly democratic. If Lab had gained power on the promise of a second referendum then that again would have been perfectly democratic. As would the second referendum. If you are saying votes by the UK public do not constitute democracy then I'm not quite sure why you are qualified to post on this site and perhaps you should stick to the Knappers' Gazette which, I am told, pays you for your efforts.
This is the entirety of the woke debate. I think this I am right Other people are wrong Anyone who thinks they are right and I am wrong are woke
No, that is not the "entirety of the woke debate"
You surely know this, so why trot out this gibberish?
The BBC has an interesting take on the dismissal/resignation of Claudine Gay from Harvard after the scandalous testimony then plagiarism.
Basically it’s all down to the far right, Trump and pandering to fascists. Including a quote from someone giving that view.
BBC journalism is astonishingly poor and somewhat partisan.
The response in Germany to a scandal where a number of politicians were discovered to have plagiarised their theses was interesting.
A journalist realised that you could have a lot of fun by downloading the theses of various people and running them through a plagiarism detector.
A number of universities sequestered the theses of “notable” people, in response.
The plagiarism criticisms of Gay that I've seen were pretty trivial stuff, blown out of all proportion. There were, of course, other criticisms of Gay that are of more significance.
A, lot of "plagiarism" in academia is just careless footnoting. Any academic work typically, by convention, has to include a summary of the existing literature and debate, which by definition is not original work. Cribbing parts of that from an existing review article and failing to fully credit that is not a crime IMHO. Passing off someone else's original contribution as one's own is quite different. I've not seen the details of the criticism of Gay but it certainly, from a distance, has more than a whiff of a witch hunt about it.
Hopefully all the reservoirs are now full. That was a big problem until fairly recently.
Severn Trent at 97.3% last week. Unusual for them to go much higher than that (I think they like to keep some capacity in hand for flooding mitigation if needed).
United Utilities are above average in some places, but not crazily so and slightly down overall. I think that's because one reservoir (Llyn Celyn) has been substantially lowered so they can do some work on the dam:
Our experiences judge our mood. I have been in East Surrey hospital keeping an eye on a 94 yr old father in law who was on a trolley (along with about 40.others in corridors) from 10 am.Monday till 5pm yesterday when he had an endoscopy. At least he is now in a bed being properly cared for. God alone knows what it will be like going forward with junior doctors on strike. Here at least the law must be changed to stop health staff from striking and a national.formula for pay agreed. I was almost in tears for some of the mainly elderly there. There also needs to be an agreement for numbers of doctors and nurses in proportion to.population. it cannot go on like this.
Direct your ire at number 10 where it belongs. This is a direct result of 13 years of Conservative government. If you want change you know what to do.
It goes back longer than tgst with the disastrous agreement by Gordon McDoom to allow GPs to give up nights and weekends. A and E has been a jam ever since. Its NOT always the Tories though they have a lot to answer for. There should be a deal with Doctors that they pay no tuition fees but can't go abroad for x yrs after qualifying.
Whether you think it a good or bad deal, the 2004 GP contract was not negotiated by Gordon Brown. John Reid was Health Secretary; Tony Blair was Prime Minister.
Can anybody explain why PB and the country seem obsessed with a pub game at this time of the year?
Why not shove ha'penny or Scottish football if we're obsessing about pub games/pub leagues?
Can anyone explain why half the country is still obsessed with a vote 8 years ago ?
Because most of the country thinks it has turned out shit?
They want to flush that great Brexit turd.
You see youre obsessed.
Why not just chill out and come to terms with it.
So if Lab wins the next election the country should just call it a day and say well that's that done with and settle down to a Lab govt for the next 50 years.
Is that how you are saying democracy should operate.
Youre mixing up a referndum with a parliamentary election. I'd say give it a generation same as Indyref.
You'd say, would you? Good to know. Meanwhile taking back control surely means nothing unless it means giving the people the opportunity to vote in line with their beliefs. A "generation" is just wishful thinking.
Who's stopping you voting in line with your beliefs ?
No one. That is my point. In 2017 people voted in line with their beliefs and had there been a second referendum, apart from being impractical and an administrative nightmare, it would have been a perfect example of democracy in action.
It would have been a democratic outrage, it would have smashed public consensus to pieces, half the country would have abstained in the fraudulent second referendum - leaving us where, exactly.: still inside Europe on a 40% turnout without ever having enacted the Leave vote? Imagine the aftermath of THAT. The urgent, militant calls for a THIRD vote, and so on, and so on: a pure, unending nightmare
AND it might well have caused severe civil unrest (if they can ignore your vote, what is left but violence?) and it would have destroyed British democracy for two generations, as people abandoned voting in elections as well (again, what is the point if your vote can be flatly ignored or overruled?)
Other than that, a 2nd referendum was a great idea
We are certainly not going to spend the day discussing this so I will help out with the last word on the matter.
In 2017 the UK electorate (me, you, a few others) voted in a parliament that was divided on the matter. Hence the subsequent chaos was voted for directly by us. Perfectly democratic. If Lab had gained power on the promise of a second referendum then that again would have been perfectly democratic. As would the second referendum. If you are saying votes by the UK public do not constitute democracy then I'm not quite sure why you are qualified to post on this site and perhaps you should stick to the Knappers' Gazette which, I am told, pays you for your efforts.
As David Davis put it,
If a democracy cannot change its mind, it ceases to be a democracy.
If the mind of the majority is to reverse Brexit, that will be the democratic thing to do. That wasn't the case in 2017-9, and I'm not sure it's the case now. It may never be the case, but every "oh, you'll never get support for that" barrier is being crossed, one at a time.
Don't worry, Leon. You'll still go down in history.
There are five stages to a fair democratic process. You need a 'yes' to all five for democracy to take place.
1. Can candidates, electors and parties register fairly and freely, without undue impediment? 2. Can candidates and parties campaign fairly, with reasonable access to the media and the public? 3. Can voters cast their votes equitably and in a simple and timely manner? 4. Are votes counted speedily and the result declared accurately? 5. Is the result implemented?
A second referendum before the first was implemented - other than on the nature of what Brexit would be - would have violated the fifth condition. Once Britain voted to leave, it was necessary that we left to complete that democratic exercise. Now we have left, that mandate is expired and if people want to rejoin that's an entirely legitimate campaign for them to engage in.
But not carrying out Brexit would have been like holding a general election, not changing the govt after it lost, and holding a second election instead.
Not really, given that the implementation of a general election result is legally binding, but the implementation of the EU referendum was not. Obviously it would have been politically suicidal for the conservatives to have not implemented the referendum result, but there was no legal obligation for them to do so.
Can anybody explain why PB and the country seem obsessed with a pub game at this time of the year?
Why not shove ha'penny or Scottish football if we're obsessing about pub games/pub leagues?
Can anyone explain why half the country is still obsessed with a vote 8 years ago ?
Because most of the country thinks it has turned out shit?
They want to flush that great Brexit turd.
You see youre obsessed.
Why not just chill out and come to terms with it.
So if Lab wins the next election the country should just call it a day and say well that's that done with and settle down to a Lab govt for the next 50 years.
Is that how you are saying democracy should operate.
Youre mixing up a referndum with a parliamentary election. I'd say give it a generation same as Indyref.
You'd say, would you? Good to know. Meanwhile taking back control surely means nothing unless it means giving the people the opportunity to vote in line with their beliefs. A "generation" is just wishful thinking.
Who's stopping you voting in line with your beliefs ?
No one. That is my point. In 2017 people voted in line with their beliefs and had there been a second referendum, apart from being impractical and an administrative nightmare, it would have been a perfect example of democracy in action.
It would have been a democratic outrage, it would have smashed public consensus to pieces, half the country would have abstained in the fraudulent second referendum - leaving us where, exactly.: still inside Europe on a 40% turnout without ever having enacted the Leave vote? Imagine the aftermath of THAT. The urgent, militant calls for a THIRD vote, and so on, and so on: a pure, unending nightmare
AND it might well have caused severe civil unrest (if they can ignore your vote, what is left but violence?) and it would have destroyed British democracy for two generations, as people abandoned voting in elections as well (again, what is the point if your vote can be flatly ignored or overruled?)
Other than that, a 2nd referendum was a great idea
We are certainly not going to spend the day discussing this so I will help out with the last word on the matter.
In 2017 the UK electorate (me, you, a few others) voted in a parliament that was divided on the matter. Hence the subsequent chaos was voted for directly by us. Perfectly democratic. If Lab had gained power on the promise of a second referendum then that again would have been perfectly democratic. As would the second referendum. If you are saying votes by the UK public do not constitute democracy then I'm not quite sure why you are qualified to post on this site and perhaps you should stick to the Knappers' Gazette which, I am told, pays you for your efforts.
This is the entirety of the woke debate. I think this I am right Other people are wrong Anyone who thinks they are right and I am wrong are woke
No, that is not the "entirety of the woke debate"
You surely know this, so why trot out this gibberish?
The BBC has an interesting take on the dismissal/resignation of Claudine Gay from Harvard after the scandalous testimony then plagiarism.
Basically it’s all down to the far right, Trump and pandering to fascists. Including a quote from someone giving that view.
BBC journalism is astonishingly poor and somewhat partisan.
The response in Germany to a scandal where a number of politicians were discovered to have plagiarised their theses was interesting.
A journalist realised that you could have a lot of fun by downloading the theses of various people and running them through a plagiarism detector.
A number of universities sequestered the theses of “notable” people, in response.
The plagiarism criticisms of Gay that I've seen were pretty trivial stuff, blown out of all proportion. There were, of course, other criticisms of Gay that are of more significance.
A, lot of "plagiarism" in academia is just careless footnoting. Any academic work typically, by convention, has to include a summary of the existing literature and debate, which by definition is not original work. Cribbing parts of that from an existing review article and failing to fully credit that is not a crime IMHO. Passing off someone else's original contribution as one's own is quite different. I've not seen the details of the criticism of Gay but it certainly, from a distance, has more than a whiff of a witch hunt about it.
There may be an agenda to get her, but it has been shown - indisputably - that Harvard STUDENTS have been rusticated for less serious examples of plagiarism than hers, and hers extend over several years and her entire output (and there is now querying of her data, as well)
You cannot have a situation where the President of Harvard is held to a less high standard of academic rigour than Harvard students. For a start it invites law suits from students if they get booted out, unlike Gay who stays (as was)
However I agree that her greater crime was her idiotic, offensive remarks in Congress
The whole country is not gripped by darts fever. I know @kinabalu is a big fan but I am not and therefore I cancel out his vote. And not for the first time.
I too am immune to the 'charms' of darts, like all true sports fans.
Liverpool with an XG of 7 the other night, or the 2019 cricket world cup final, that's sport at its utter magnificent best.
That would be Liverpool with an XG of 7 while Tom Daley was trending on Twitter?
Can anybody explain why PB and the country seem obsessed with a pub game at this time of the year?
Why not shove ha'penny or Scottish football if we're obsessing about pub games/pub leagues?
Can anyone explain why half the country is still obsessed with a vote 8 years ago ?
Because most of the country thinks it has turned out shit?
They want to flush that great Brexit turd.
You see youre obsessed.
Why not just chill out and come to terms with it.
So if Lab wins the next election the country should just call it a day and say well that's that done with and settle down to a Lab govt for the next 50 years.
Is that how you are saying democracy should operate.
Youre mixing up a referndum with a parliamentary election. I'd say give it a generation same as Indyref.
You'd say, would you? Good to know. Meanwhile taking back control surely means nothing unless it means giving the people the opportunity to vote in line with their beliefs. A "generation" is just wishful thinking.
Who's stopping you voting in line with your beliefs ?
No one. That is my point. In 2017 people voted in line with their beliefs and had there been a second referendum, apart from being impractical and an administrative nightmare, it would have been a perfect example of democracy in action.
It would have been a democratic outrage, it would have smashed public consensus to pieces, half the country would have abstained in the fraudulent second referendum - leaving us where, exactly.: still inside Europe on a 40% turnout without ever having enacted the Leave vote? Imagine the aftermath of THAT. The urgent, militant calls for a THIRD vote, and so on, and so on: a pure, unending nightmare
AND it might well have caused severe civil unrest (if they can ignore your vote, what is left but violence?) and it would have destroyed British democracy for two generations, as people abandoned voting in elections as well (again, what is the point if your vote can be flatly ignored or overruled?)
Other than that, a 2nd referendum was a great idea
We are certainly not going to spend the day discussing this so I will help out with the last word on the matter.
In 2017 the UK electorate (me, you, a few others) voted in a parliament that was divided on the matter. Hence the subsequent chaos was voted for directly by us. Perfectly democratic. If Lab had gained power on the promise of a second referendum then that again would have been perfectly democratic. As would the second referendum. If you are saying votes by the UK public do not constitute democracy then I'm not quite sure why you are qualified to post on this site and perhaps you should stick to the Knappers' Gazette which, I am told, pays you for your efforts.
As David Davis put it,
If a democracy cannot change its mind, it ceases to be a democracy.
If the mind of the majority is to reverse Brexit, that will be the democratic thing to do. That wasn't the case in 2017-9, and I'm not sure it's the case now. It may never be the case, but every "oh, you'll never get support for that" barrier is being crossed, one at a time.
Don't worry, Leon. You'll still go down in history.
There are five stages to a fair democratic process. You need a 'yes' to all five for democracy to take place.
1. Can candidates, electors and parties register fairly and freely, without undue impediment? 2. Can candidates and parties campaign fairly, with reasonable access to the media and the public? 3. Can voters cast their votes equitably and in a simple and timely manner? 4. Are votes counted speedily and the result declared accurately? 5. Is the result implemented?
A second referendum before the first was implemented - other than on the nature of what Brexit would be - would have violated the fifth condition. Once Britain voted to leave, it was necessary that we left to complete that democratic exercise. Now we have left, that mandate is expired and if people want to rejoin that's an entirely legitimate campaign for them to engage in.
But not carrying out Brexit would have been like holding a general election, not changing the govt after it lost, and holding a second election instead.
Pretty arbitrary fifth one there David.
It is the classic (usually Brexiter scorned saying) "voted again until they got the right result". Which if you rearrange the ideas can be put equally as "the electorate changed its mind and voted for what they wanted".
A second referendum before the first had been enacted would have been an administrative nightmare, hugely impractical, and much else. But not democratic it would not have been.
Our experiences judge our mood. I have been in East Surrey hospital keeping an eye on a 94 yr old father in law who was on a trolley (along with about 40.others in corridors) from 10 am.Monday till 5pm yesterday when he had an endoscopy. At least he is now in a bed being properly cared for. God alone knows what it will be like going forward with junior doctors on strike. Here at least the law must be changed to stop health staff from striking and a national.formula for pay agreed. I was almost in tears for some of the mainly elderly there. There also needs to be an agreement for numbers of doctors and nurses in proportion to.population. it cannot go on like this.
Direct your ire at number 10 where it belongs. This is a direct result of 13 years of Conservative government. If you want change you know what to do.
It goes back longer than tgst with the disastrous agreement by Gordon McDoom to allow GPs to give up nights and weekends. A and E has been a jam ever since. Its NOT always the Tories though they have a lot to answer for. There should be a deal with Doctors that they pay no tuition fees but can't go abroad for x yrs after qualifying.
Whether you think it a good or bad deal, the 2004 GP contract was not negotiated by Gordon Brown. John Reid was Health Secretary; Tony Blair was Prime Minister.
And Brown was paymaster in a dual government where he exercised huge control over domestic policy, especially so after Iraq, when Blair was discredited, clearly nearing the end of his leadership and Brown thought Blair had reneged on a promise to quit so was cutting No 10 out of discussions on domestic policy.
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Everyone has come to terms with it. It has been such a shit show we are entitled to an opinion . No demands for rejoin, just grin and bear it.
There is one issue that remains live nonetheless. The report, or lack thereof into Russian interference into UK elections. You won, but quite likely with the assistance of Vladimir Putin.
A local example up here: fishing. According to the fishing community, Brexit has been bad. Things are much harder than they were both for the people catching the fish and for those processing them.
But the Tories are claiming a bonanza, with statistics showing that catches and revenue are up.
So on one hand we have fishermen saying revenues are down, and Tories saying revenue is up...
DOWN: https://www.barrons.com/news/scottish-port-feels-force-of-uk-fishing-storm-9a10e73e
UP: https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/business/6313076/tories-claim-bigger-earnings-add-up-to-brexit-boost-for-scottish-fishing/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euromaidan
Russia then followed through on its blackmail threats.
.. Russia could no longer guarantee Ukraine's status as a state and could possibly intervene if pro-Russian regions of the country appealed directly to Moscow..
You might think the Party of the markets might be interested in what level of pay would ensure adequate staffing levels. But they aren't.
My cheapest lad is minimum wage, but only started a couple of months ago - if he's any good, he'll be on ~£35k in a couple of years, which round here is enough to be able to buy a decent house, run reasonable car, and buy a beer or two when the mood takes...
Not that it will save the government.
Defeated Remainers seldom mention Brexit until someone like @Alanbrooke decides to rub our faces in it, like today for example.
HIGHLIGHT OF YEAR: This Guy was removed from a WhatsApp group, he went and got a court order to be added back. They added him back and made him administrator then one by one left the group and created a new one. He is now heading back to court to get the members back on his WhatsApp group like the beginning.
https://twitter.com/IamMzilikazi/status/1741107391591055432
*wanders off to seek cover*
When people say that the West 'provoked' Russia, what they actually mean is that Russia made Ukraine's free choice to become part of the West a reason to invade them.
And more inflation coming after they finally implement Brexit at the end of January, let's never forget, with the customs in stuff, and another reduction in trade.
I think that may well happen - or at least the level of activities risking recall will reduce, since even the thickest MP must see the dangers from recent cases.
All experience is lived. That's what experience means.
But I should point out, there is one issue with your comment. You're assuming the government is dysfunctional because it's 'Tory.' I'm increasingly concerned that it's dysfunctional because its systems and processes are being managed by people who are simply not up to it. The more I look at some civil servants the more worried I am for us as a country.
It is time to accept there is no simple solution and I doubt the Wales NHS will be improving anytime soon
You need to get used to being told that it was a mistake, every time you bring it up. Since that appears to be the opinion of two thirds of the electorate.
Quite a remarkable story. Nobody panics, everybody follows instructions, nobody tries to bring their hand luggage. Deplaned in 20 minutes. 10 minutes later the plane explodes. I have a feeling that anywhere other than Japan this would have been much, much worse.
Is he challenging @NickPalmer, or something?
No exam help for pupils in Raac schools, says government
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-67781489
So just to be clear - an issue caused by maladministration at the DfE, and exacerbated by their decision to conceal a report until it was too late to do anything to avoid disaster, which has disrupted the education of thousands of children, is not going to see any consideration given to those children in the deeply flawed exams the DfE insisted on because that would be somehow bad?
It's a good job these people are so intelligent, hard working, concerned about the welfare and progress of children and therefore deserving of their massive salaries and pensions. I'd hate to see what lazy intellectually subnormal scum out to screw over the nation's youth while taking the piss as well as the money looked like.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lived_experience
It's what you learn from real life and own experience rather than vicariously through the Daily Mail and GB News. Or the Guardian for that matter.
AND it might well have caused severe civil unrest (if they can ignore your vote, what is left but violence?) and it would have destroyed British democracy for two generations, as people abandoned voting in elections as well (again, what is the point if your vote can be flatly ignored or overruled?)
Other than that, a 2nd referendum was a great idea
The parallels with this one are obvious and very much to Japan Airlines' advantage:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1985_Manchester_Airport_disaster
Of course, changes have been made as a result of that which would have made evacuation easier, but it's still an impressive feat.
I don't believe rejoin will be on the agenda for a generation, but I do think we will eventually end up with the sort of soft Brexit we should and could have had to start with; all the intervening damage will have been for nothing. Tory politicians deserve to be reminded, and deserve to be punished, and surely, this year they will be.
Lots of us understand what it means and will continue to use it. Language evolves and if people don't like that, it will happen anyway.
Made A Gas Car
Too soon?
I think the cancellation of HS2 falls in a similar category. Consultations, votes, decades of planning - all in the bin on the whim of one man.
Overall, incomes are going nowhere, and haven't been for ages;
The distribution of winners and losers this coming year is likely to be horrible. Partly because of the shape of tax changes, but mostly because of the end of Cost of Living payments;
https://twitter.com/resfoundation/status/1742241440401392030
In 2017 the UK electorate (me, you, a few others) voted in a parliament that was divided on the matter. Hence the subsequent chaos was voted for directly by us. Perfectly democratic. If Lab had gained power on the promise of a second referendum then that again would have been perfectly democratic. As would the second referendum. If you are saying votes by the UK public do not constitute democracy then I'm not quite sure why you are qualified to post on this site and perhaps you should stick to the Knappers' Gazette which, I am told, pays you for your efforts.
It is 4.41pm in Bangers, I've done a hard day's work, and I am feeling whimsical and playful
Looking at a couple of the results (STP, PBO) I have to believe that it is the most boring endeavour on the planet. A bunch of yellow lines which, frankly, tell no one anything.
But I agree there is no point in our having this debate AGAIN, you are determined to pretend to believe your version of this, so good luck to you in LoopyLand
Is the Holocaust not joke-about-able?
A sincere question. I confess mixed feelings. A good Holocaust joke (ike the famous Bernard Manning one about the watchtower (or was it Jerry Sadowitz??) can be properly funny - as we have discussed on here. But they still feel taboo. Perhaps that is WHY they can be truly funny
To take one example, there are a number of organisation which claim to sell you an "experience" of one sort or another. That's quite a different meaning.
To take another, German, as this article by a "lived experience" sceptic points out, has different words for specific and general experiences - 'Erlebnis', and 'Erfahrung':
https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/society/43428/leith-on-language-living-with-lived-experience
And of course, the concept 'indirect experience' does exist. We quite happily talk about observing someone else and referring to their 'experience' without being told about it by them. Sometimes we call that empathy - which is its own form of experience.
A survivor arrives in Heaven and tells god a Holocaust joke. God replies "that's not funny", to which the survivor replies "ach, I suppose you had to be there".
If a democracy cannot change its mind, it ceases to be a democracy.
https://www.daviddavismp.com/david-davis-mp-delivers-speech-on-the-opportunities-for-a-referendum-on-europe/
If the mind of the majority is to reverse Brexit, that will be the democratic thing to do. That wasn't the case in 2017-9, and I'm not sure it's the case now. It may never be the case, but every "oh, you'll never get support for that" barrier is being crossed, one at a time.
Don't worry, Leon. You'll still go down in history.
I think this
I am right
Other people are wrong
Anyone who thinks they are right and I am wrong are woke
You surely know this, so why trot out this gibberish?
Basically it’s all down to the far right, Trump and pandering to fascists. Including a quote from someone giving that view.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-67869624
BBC journalism is astonishingly poor and somewhat partisan.
https://x.com/Baddiel/status/938919071407575040?s=20
However, Gervais also took it from elsewhere. And this guy - in convo with Gervais - thinks it dates back to the 1970s at least
https://x.com/AlexEdelman/status/1265354152810549249?s=20
A journalist realised that you could have a lot of fun by downloading the theses of various people and running them through a plagiarism
detector.
A number of universities sequestered the theses of “notable” people, in response.
Who also commented on why NI was so safe for Jews.
Dean Elgar probably feels that they didn't quite capitalise on winning the toss...
1. Can candidates, electors and parties register fairly and freely, without undue impediment?
2. Can candidates and parties campaign fairly, with reasonable access to the media and the public?
3. Can voters cast their votes equitably and in a simple and timely manner?
4. Are votes counted speedily and the result declared accurately?
5. Is the result implemented?
A second referendum before the first was implemented - other than on the nature of what Brexit would be - would have violated the fifth condition. Once Britain voted to leave, it was necessary that we left to complete that democratic exercise. Now we have left, that mandate is expired and if people want to rejoin that's an entirely legitimate campaign for them to engage in.
But not carrying out Brexit would have been like holding a general election, not changing the govt after it lost, and holding a second election instead.
Sadly, since the “Peace Process”, other forms of racism have jumped in NI. Including antisemitism. So it was a joke about the truth.
She was a diversity hire, and she isn't very smart: hence her mulish and foolish responses to the genocide questions in Congress
Why aren't the government trumpeting the advantages of leaving? Sensible remain (and Leave) voters appreciate that this was all about pros and cons.
A pro: We are not sending all that money to the EU anymore.
Have the remaining members experienced rising contributions since we left? If yes, by what percentage each year? What does this translate into in terms of additional cost saving if we have stayed in?
The government is such an idiot. Why isn't there an online counter, scrupulously fact-checked, ticking up each day with the money saved since we left?
An obvious thing to do to remind and re-enforce one of the main benefits of leaving.
https://www.unitedutilities.com/help-and-support/your-water-supply/your-reservoirs/reservoir-levels/
https://www.stwater.co.uk/about-us/reservoir-levels/raw-water-storage-levels-1-january-2024/
United Utilities are above average in some places, but not crazily so and slightly down overall. I think that's because one reservoir (Llyn Celyn) has been substantially lowered so they can do some work on the dam:
https://www.unitedutilities.com/help-and-support/your-water-supply/your-reservoirs/reservoir-levels/
South West Water also hasn't updated for a couple of weeks but levels were somewhat healthier even if they're lower than ideal:
https://www.southwestwater.co.uk/environment/water-resources/reservoir-levels
(Incidentally the uncharacteristic curve of that graph shows just how wet the last year has been.)
You cannot have a situation where the President of Harvard is held to a less high standard of academic rigour than Harvard students. For a start it invites law suits from students if they get booted out, unlike Gay who stays (as was)
However I agree that her greater crime was her idiotic, offensive remarks in Congress
All three women should have resigned next day
It is the classic (usually Brexiter scorned saying) "voted again until they got the right result". Which if you rearrange the ideas can be put equally as "the electorate changed its mind and voted for what they wanted".
A second referendum before the first had been enacted would have been an administrative nightmare, hugely impractical, and much else. But not democratic it would not have been.