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edited January 1 in General
Who would want to become an MP? – politicalbetting.com

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  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,656
    Test?
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,770
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Test?

    Er, no. Just the wrong trousers.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,656
    FPT
    SandyRentool said:

    Sunak's triangulation is clearly targeting that previously unknown sector of the electorate who are desperate for the day when they can donate a pint bottle of Champagne to their local food bank.

    I have actually donated a bottle of champagne to the food bank in my local Sainsbury's.

    Was just before Christmas 2018 and we got a bottle of champagne via a hamper which we also donated.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,870
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    FPT

    SandyRentool said:

    Sunak's triangulation is clearly targeting that previously unknown sector of the electorate who are desperate for the day when they can donate a pint bottle of Champagne to their local food bank.

    I have actually donated a bottle of champagne to the food bank in my local Sainsbury's.

    Was just before Christmas 2018 and we got a bottle of champagne via a hamper which we also donated.
    It must be said that you do have a good excuse. No SNP tombola stall nearby to donate it to.
  • AverageNinjaAverageNinja Posts: 1,169
    I would be a fantastic MP.
  • AverageNinjaAverageNinja Posts: 1,169
    https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2023/12/uk-gov-sees-stake-in-oneweb-satellite-broadband-firm-halved.html

    UK Gov Sees Stake in OneWeb Satellite Broadband Firm Halved

    Well done Rishi.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,770
    AverageNinja said:

    I would be a fantastic MP.

    Wouldn't 'AboveAverageNinja' be better?
  • AverageNinjaAverageNinja Posts: 1,169
    Omnium said:

    AverageNinja said:

    I would be a fantastic MP.

    Wouldn't 'AboveAverageNinja' be better?
    WellBelowAverageNinja would be better.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,159
    AverageNinja said:

    I would be a fantastic MP.

    An average one, surely ?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,084
    edited December 2023
    If you earn over £100k a year and don't want a pay cut and/or value your privacy and want to avoid trolls and any threat to your safety and/or are not an ideologue on political issues then you are unlikely to want to stand for election to become an MP.

  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,159
    The latest pizza controversy - replacing the base with fried chicken
    https://twitter.com/curiouswavefn/status/1740002559203705288
  • AverageNinjaAverageNinja Posts: 1,169
    Nigelb said:

    AverageNinja said:

    I would be a fantastic MP.

    An average one, surely ?
    Still better than most MPs in the 2019 intake.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,159
    Saint-Saëns nailed English religion over a century back.

    … "The demands of English religion are not excessive. The services are very short, and consist chiefly of listening to good music extremely well sung, for the English are excellent choristers"..
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,915
    AverageNinja said:

    https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2023/12/uk-gov-sees-stake-in-oneweb-satellite-broadband-firm-halved.html

    UK Gov Sees Stake in OneWeb Satellite Broadband Firm Halved

    Well done Rishi.

    Wasn't OneWeb one of Boris & Classic Dom's punts?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,336
    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    AverageNinja said:

    https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2023/12/uk-gov-sees-stake-in-oneweb-satellite-broadband-firm-halved.html

    UK Gov Sees Stake in OneWeb Satellite Broadband Firm Halved

    Well done Rishi.

    Wasn't OneWeb one of Boris & Classic Dom's punts?
    Yes.

    In the medium term, having a controlling share in one of the two operating LEO data providers is a good bet.

    The issue with Europe is that the French are telling everyone that the British government will wait until Europe commute to OneWeb and then will fuck them over. As payback for Galileo.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,385
    HYUFD said:

    If you earn over £100k a year and don't want a pay cut and/or value your privacy and want to avoid trolls and any threat to your safety and/or are not an ideologue on political issues then you are unlikely to want to stand for election to become an MP.

    So, you're standing?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,159
    Jeremy Hunt fuels election speculation as 6 March spring budget announced
    Chancellor has asked the OBR to prepare forecasts for the economy and public finances to be presented to parliament
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/dec/27/jeremy-hunt-announces-6-march-as-date-for-spring-budget
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,233
    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    AverageNinja said:

    https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2023/12/uk-gov-sees-stake-in-oneweb-satellite-broadband-firm-halved.html

    UK Gov Sees Stake in OneWeb Satellite Broadband Firm Halved

    Well done Rishi.

    Wasn't OneWeb one of Boris & Classic Dom's punts?
    With Rishi as the money man by that point.

    Still, it's not that much money...
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,059
    Abe Simpson has the best views of the metric system

    https://youtu.be/JQnwx10DT9o?si=Uqeb9NwNJavOSs5c
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,107
    edited December 2023
    Nigelb said:

    AverageNinja said:

    I would be a fantastic MP.

    An average one, surely ?
    I would have thought that the skills required to be a ninja and an MP have limited overlap, so were someone to be an average ninja, that would tell us little about their ability to be an MP, and vice versa.

    (Paddy Ashdown comes to mind. He had the skills to be both a great MP and a great ninja.)
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,028
    Nigelb said:

    The latest pizza controversy - replacing the base with fried chicken
    https://twitter.com/curiouswavefn/status/1740002559203705288

    Not too dissimilar to a Parmo.

    And Parmos are great. The only good thing to come from Middlesbrough.
  • NerysHughesNerysHughes Posts: 3,375
    Imagine having a job where there is a long running website dedicated to analysing everything you do.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,902
    “Who would want to become an MP?”

    Me
  • AverageNinjaAverageNinja Posts: 1,169
    I would run for the Pro-Vegan-Anti-Venison party. I would call it "Left Wing Scum"
  • AverageNinjaAverageNinja Posts: 1,169
    NerysHughes said:

    Imagine having a job where there is a long running website dedicated to analysing everything you do.

    This isn't HelloMagazine.com.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,375
    edited December 2023
    This is an important point to bear in mind, when we castigate our MP’s..
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,336
    edited December 2023
    Nigelb said:

    Saint-Saëns nailed English religion over a century back.

    … "The demands of English religion are not excessive. The services are very short, and consist chiefly of listening to good music extremely well sung, for the English are excellent choristers"..

    The key point was reducing the God Bothering to a minimum.

    It’s quite hard to get violent over well sung Bach.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,336
    AverageNinja said:

    I would run for the Pro-Vegan-Anti-Venison party. I would call it "Left Wing Scum"

    I’m considering running for the Presidency of Peru.

    The main policies of the Corrupt Gringo Party

    1) we will steal only half the money
    2) we will sell the country to foreign interests. But get a good price.
  • AverageNinjaAverageNinja Posts: 1,169
    Andrew Castle trying to justify why Ukrainians are more worthy of being taken into British homes than people from Afghanistan or Iraq is something to behold. John Barnes utterly rinsed him.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,524
    edit
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,336
    NerysHughes said:

    Imagine having a job where there is a long running website dedicated to analysing everything you do.

    Which is why @TSE doesn’t need to be an MP.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,868
    AverageNinja said:

    I would be a fantastic MP.

    Despite a disappointingly pedestrian level of ninjary?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,159
    Note the Michigan ruling allows a further challenge should Trump be a candidate in the general election.

    The Michigan decision today does not help Trump win the Colorado case in US Supreme Ct. It is based on Michigan law, which the Michigan cts said do not provide a mechanism to remove Trump from the ballot. The decision says nothing about Colorado law, which has such a mechanism.
    https://twitter.com/neal_katyal/status/1740035152892583968
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,486
    Sean_F said:

    This is an important point to bear in mind, when we castigate our MP’s..

    Indeed so.

    Somewhere down the line, like online abuse of all kinds, it can have serious real world effects.
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,059
    Speculation that some F-16s have already arrived in Ukraine

    https://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-f16-russia-fighter-jets-crimea-su34-1855709
  • AverageNinjaAverageNinja Posts: 1,169
    IanB2 said:

    AverageNinja said:

    I would be a fantastic MP.

    Despite a disappointingly pedestrian level of ninjary?
    I am here and everywhere, you just cannot see me
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,105
    kjh said:

    AverageNinja said:

    I would run for the Pro-Vegan-Anti-Venison party. I would call it "Left Wing Scum"

    You can't be pro vegan and anti venison. I think we decided sometime ago here that venison is vegan.
    Venison isn't vegan. I shall call the vegan police to deveganise you with their deveganising ray.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dLpCZ8g5uK8
  • SirNorfolkPassmoreSirNorfolkPassmore Posts: 7,152
    Luckyguy1983 said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    Benpointer said:

    Maybe the government could help alleviate food poverty *and* improve the nation's health by distributing free healthy food to anyone who wants it? One collection per person per week allowed.

    Free stuff is expensive, creates a sense of entitlement on those who receive it (for which they are not grateful and for whom it's never enough) and doesn't do much to transform outcomes.

    I'd maybe look more seriously at subsidising healthy food, and teaching home economics/simple cooking to all, but I think a price must be paid for it to be valued and appreciated.
    I think it would be far better to look at ways that we can make our national staples (bread, milk, spreading fat, pasta, potatoes) healthier. That could have a dramatic effect on levels of overall health, and benefit the poor disproportionately, as these 'basics' will feature nore heavily in their diets.
    FPT. Minimum levels of vitamin and mineral fortification of several processed staple foods (particularly bread) have been a feature of regulation for decades. Not sure how you would realistically do that with things like potatoes.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,667
    HYUFD said:

    If you earn over £100k a year and don't want a pay cut and/or value your privacy and want to avoid trolls and any threat to your safety and/or are not an ideologue on political issues then you are unlikely to want to stand for election to become an MP.

    I think that code could be written more efficiently.
  • AverageNinjaAverageNinja Posts: 1,169
    I have decided to have a pineapple pizza for din dins
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,667
    AverageNinja said:

    I have decided to have a pineapple pizza for din dins

    Cheerio!
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,677
    Nigelb said:

    The latest pizza controversy - replacing the base with fried chicken
    https://twitter.com/curiouswavefn/status/1740002559203705288

    That looks like an answer to the question, "How can we get some free publicity?"
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,862
    viewcode said:

    kjh said:

    AverageNinja said:

    I would run for the Pro-Vegan-Anti-Venison party. I would call it "Left Wing Scum"

    You can't be pro vegan and anti venison. I think we decided sometime ago here that venison is vegan.
    Venison isn't vegan. I shall call the vegan police to deveganise you with their deveganising ray.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dLpCZ8g5uK8
    The question of whether venison is vegan is a complex issue that involves considerations of ethics, health, and personal values. While venison is derived from animals, which conflicts with the core principles of veganism, there are numerous alternatives available to vegans that provide comparable flavours and nutritional benefits.

    Vegans can choose from a wide array of plant-based protein sources and innovative recipes that replicate the taste and texture of venison without the ethical concerns associated with animal exploitation. Ultimately, the decision of whether to consume venison as a vegan is a personal choice that should be guided by an understanding of the underlying principles of veganism and a commitment to reducing harm to animals and the environment.

    https://casadesante.com/en-eu/blogs/gut-health/is-venison-vegan
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,862
    Nigelb said:

    The latest pizza controversy - replacing the base with fried chicken
    https://twitter.com/curiouswavefn/status/1740002559203705288

    Vegan no-chicken for me, please :lol:
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,677
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    viewcode said:

    kjh said:

    AverageNinja said:

    I would run for the Pro-Vegan-Anti-Venison party. I would call it "Left Wing Scum"

    You can't be pro vegan and anti venison. I think we decided sometime ago here that venison is vegan.
    Venison isn't vegan. I shall call the vegan police to deveganise you with their deveganising ray.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dLpCZ8g5uK8
    The question of whether venison is vegan is a complex issue that involves considerations of ethics, health, and personal values. While venison is derived from animals, which conflicts with the core principles of veganism, there are numerous alternatives available to vegans that provide comparable flavours and nutritional benefits.

    Vegans can choose from a wide array of plant-based protein sources and innovative recipes that replicate the taste and texture of venison without the ethical concerns associated with animal exploitation. Ultimately, the decision of whether to consume venison as a vegan is a personal choice that should be guided by an understanding of the underlying principles of veganism and a commitment to reducing harm to animals and the environment.

    https://casadesante.com/en-eu/blogs/gut-health/is-venison-vegan
    Saying that "venison is derived from animals" seems a bit too euphemistic for a vegan.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,667
    SirNorfolkPassmore said:

    Luckyguy1983 said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    Benpointer said:

    Maybe the government could help alleviate food poverty *and* improve the nation's health by distributing free healthy food to anyone who wants it? One collection per person per week allowed.

    Free stuff is expensive, creates a sense of entitlement on those who receive it (for which they are not grateful and for whom it's never enough) and doesn't do much to transform outcomes.

    I'd maybe look more seriously at subsidising healthy food, and teaching home economics/simple cooking to all, but I think a price must be paid for it to be valued and appreciated.
    I think it would be far better to look at ways that we can make our national staples (bread, milk, spreading fat, pasta, potatoes) healthier. That could have a dramatic effect on levels of overall health, and benefit the poor disproportionately, as these 'basics' will feature nore heavily in their diets.
    FPT. Minimum levels of vitamin and mineral fortification of several processed staple foods (particularly bread) have been a feature of regulation for decades. Not sure how you would realistically do that with things like potatoes.
    I have only just realised that the UK recommendation is for everyone to take a 10μg (400IU) vitamin D supplement daily during the autumn and winter.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,677
    RIP Jacques Delors
  • mwadamsmwadams Posts: 3,596
    edited December 2023
    AverageNinja said:

    I have decided to have a pineapple pizza for din dins

    I couldn't pick a pizza when faced with too much choice on Xmas Eve. I ordered a Hawaiian (with red chili) *purely* because everyone hates it here.

    It was bloody lovely.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,667
    I appreciate it's a minority view but MPs should be paid more. A lot more.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,105
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    viewcode said:

    kjh said:

    AverageNinja said:

    I would run for the Pro-Vegan-Anti-Venison party. I would call it "Left Wing Scum"

    You can't be pro vegan and anti venison. I think we decided sometime ago here that venison is vegan.
    Venison isn't vegan. I shall call the vegan police to deveganise you with their deveganising ray.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dLpCZ8g5uK8
    The question of whether venison is vegan is a complex issue that involves considerations of ethics, health, and personal values. While venison is derived from animals, which conflicts with the core principles of veganism, there are numerous alternatives available to vegans that provide comparable flavours and nutritional benefits.

    Vegans can choose from a wide array of plant-based protein sources and innovative recipes that replicate the taste and texture of venison without the ethical concerns associated with animal exploitation. Ultimately, the decision of whether to consume venison as a vegan is a personal choice that should be guided by an understanding of the underlying principles of veganism and a commitment to reducing harm to animals and the environment.

    https://casadesante.com/en-eu/blogs/gut-health/is-venison-vegan
    The question of whether venison is vegan is a simple issue that involves very little consideration. While venison is derived from animals, which conflicts with the core principles of vegans, that is a conclusive point. Ultimately the decision of whether to consume venison as a vegan is a personal choice that should be guided by an understanding of whether one wants to be a flipping vegan or not.

    Https://casadesante.com/en-eu/blogs/gut-health/ofcourseitsnotveganyouidiots
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,468
    edited December 2023
    SirNorfolkPassmore said:

    Luckyguy1983 said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    Benpointer said:

    Maybe the government could help alleviate food poverty *and* improve the nation's health by distributing free healthy food to anyone who wants it? One collection per person per week allowed.

    Free stuff is expensive, creates a sense of entitlement on those who receive it (for which they are not grateful and for whom it's never enough) and doesn't do much to transform outcomes.

    I'd maybe look more seriously at subsidising healthy food, and teaching home economics/simple cooking to all, but I think a price must be paid for it to be valued and appreciated.
    I think it would be far better to look at ways that we can make our national staples (bread, milk, spreading fat, pasta, potatoes) healthier. That could have a dramatic effect on levels of overall health, and benefit the poor disproportionately, as these 'basics' will feature nore heavily in their diets.
    FPT. Minimum levels of vitamin and mineral fortification of several processed staple foods (particularly bread) have been a feature of regulation for decades. Not sure how you would realistically do that with things like potatoes.
    They have, but I'm afraid that such modifications are very dated and in my opinion unlikely to do much good. The adulteration of bread with calcium carbonate (chalk) is one such practise that is imo of very dubious usefulness. There is no evidence that we can assimilate calcium successfully by ingesting chalk. Even if we could, we need magnesium and vitamins D and K alongside it to develop strong bones.

    With bread, I'd look at mandating the dressing of cereal fields with rock dust to replenish the soil, getting more essential minerals into the wheat. I'd also promote the manufacture of soaked bread, to make the nutrients in the wheat more assimilable and eliminate phytic acid which at high levels works to reduce net nutrition.

    The idea behind the fortification of staples is nice, but we need to do it naturally for it to be anything more than a meaningless gesture.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,571
    "American 777 insane landing at London Heathrow"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hIqXjAmo6k
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,336
    CatMan said:

    Speculation that some F-16s have already arrived in Ukraine

    https://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-f16-russia-fighter-jets-crimea-su34-1855709

    There was a suggestion that the Storm Shadow Christmas Present to the Russian Navy was from an F16
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,862
    Andy_JS said:

    "American 777 insane landing at London Heathrow"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hIqXjAmo6k

    Ouch, baby!

    If you've got a spare five and-a-half hours, the full Big Jet TV video is here!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wck8FbYmD_w
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,667
    mwadams said:

    AverageNinja said:

    I have decided to have a pineapple pizza for din dins

    I couldn't pick a pizza when faced with too much choice on Xmas Eve. I ordered a Hawaiian (with red chili) *purely* because everyone hates it here.

    It was bloody lovely.
    Our Christmas Eve eve pizza was our usual of tomato sauce, anchovies, Napoli salami, kalamata olives, red peppers, basil, mozzarella.

    It's the absolute best. We've tried lots of other combinations but we keep coming back to this one.

    No pineapple within 200m at least (distance to our neighbours who may or may not lack taste and decorum).
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,914
    someone just told me that imperial measures which which was promised a return by Boris Johnson is now not going to happen because something like 95% of the population don't want it.

    If anyone wanted evidence of the nuttiness of Brexit and ALL who voted for it there it is. I had no idea. Talk about a luck escape. We should start counting the days till this Tory Party disintegrates!
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,336
    williamglenn said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    viewcode said:

    kjh said:

    AverageNinja said:

    I would run for the Pro-Vegan-Anti-Venison party. I would call it "Left Wing Scum"

    You can't be pro vegan and anti venison. I think we decided sometime ago here that venison is vegan.
    Venison isn't vegan. I shall call the vegan police to deveganise you with their deveganising ray.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dLpCZ8g5uK8
    The question of whether venison is vegan is a complex issue that involves considerations of ethics, health, and personal values. While venison is derived from animals, which conflicts with the core principles of veganism, there are numerous alternatives available to vegans that provide comparable flavours and nutritional benefits.

    Vegans can choose from a wide array of plant-based protein sources and innovative recipes that replicate the taste and texture of venison without the ethical concerns associated with animal exploitation. Ultimately, the decision of whether to consume venison as a vegan is a personal choice that should be guided by an understanding of the underlying principles of veganism and a commitment to reducing harm to animals and the environment.

    https://casadesante.com/en-eu/blogs/gut-health/is-venison-vegan
    Saying that "venison is derived from animals" seems a bit too euphemistic for a vegan.
    A Hen is involved in breakfast (eggs)
    A Pig is committed to breakfast (bacon)
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,868
    williamglenn said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    viewcode said:

    kjh said:

    AverageNinja said:

    I would run for the Pro-Vegan-Anti-Venison party. I would call it "Left Wing Scum"

    You can't be pro vegan and anti venison. I think we decided sometime ago here that venison is vegan.
    Venison isn't vegan. I shall call the vegan police to deveganise you with their deveganising ray.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dLpCZ8g5uK8
    The question of whether venison is vegan is a complex issue that involves considerations of ethics, health, and personal values. While venison is derived from animals, which conflicts with the core principles of veganism, there are numerous alternatives available to vegans that provide comparable flavours and nutritional benefits.

    Vegans can choose from a wide array of plant-based protein sources and innovative recipes that replicate the taste and texture of venison without the ethical concerns associated with animal exploitation. Ultimately, the decision of whether to consume venison as a vegan is a personal choice that should be guided by an understanding of the underlying principles of veganism and a commitment to reducing harm to animals and the environment.

    https://casadesante.com/en-eu/blogs/gut-health/is-venison-vegan
    Saying that "venison is derived from animals" seems a bit too euphemistic for a vegan.
    If the deer had a diet consisting solely of plants and lived a carefree, frolicking life in the wild before meeting its fate, then technically, eating venison could be considered a vegan-friendly choice.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,862
    IanB2 said:

    williamglenn said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    viewcode said:

    kjh said:

    AverageNinja said:

    I would run for the Pro-Vegan-Anti-Venison party. I would call it "Left Wing Scum"

    You can't be pro vegan and anti venison. I think we decided sometime ago here that venison is vegan.
    Venison isn't vegan. I shall call the vegan police to deveganise you with their deveganising ray.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dLpCZ8g5uK8
    The question of whether venison is vegan is a complex issue that involves considerations of ethics, health, and personal values. While venison is derived from animals, which conflicts with the core principles of veganism, there are numerous alternatives available to vegans that provide comparable flavours and nutritional benefits.

    Vegans can choose from a wide array of plant-based protein sources and innovative recipes that replicate the taste and texture of venison without the ethical concerns associated with animal exploitation. Ultimately, the decision of whether to consume venison as a vegan is a personal choice that should be guided by an understanding of the underlying principles of veganism and a commitment to reducing harm to animals and the environment.

    https://casadesante.com/en-eu/blogs/gut-health/is-venison-vegan
    Saying that "venison is derived from animals" seems a bit too euphemistic for a vegan.
    If the deer had a diet consisting solely of plants and lived a carefree, frolicking life in the wild before meeting its fate, then technically, eating venison could be considered a vegan-friendly choice.
    Somehow I don't think so :lol:
  • twistedfirestopper3twistedfirestopper3 Posts: 2,433
    Benpointer said:

    I appreciate it's a minority view but MPs should be paid more. A lot more.

    Yup, but also no subsidised restaurants, no bars, no appearing on reality shows when you should be at work and stop the term time nonsense. It needs to be seen as a serious job.
    The current crop of MPs have been their own worst enemies, and it's going to take a concerted effort for them to win back the public's respect.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,094
    Andy_JS said:

    "American 777 insane landing at London Heathrow"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hIqXjAmo6k

    We had a similar landing at Heathrow a few years ago returning from Vancouver when we had two attempts to touch down and accelerated away just feet from the runway, before a third very bumpy but successful landing

    A very unpleasant experience
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,914
    Freer is an obsessive supporter of Israel and all it's work. However much graffitti is painted on his office walls I bet actuarilly he's a 1000 times safer in his Finchley office than any single child in Gaza whom he wants Israel to continue bombing.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,667
    twistedfirestopper3 said:

    Benpointer said:

    I appreciate it's a minority view but MPs should be paid more. A lot more.

    Yup, but also no subsidised restaurants, no bars, no appearing on reality shows when you should be at work and stop the term time nonsense. It needs to be seen as a serious job.
    The current crop of MPs have been their own worst enemies, and it's going to take a concerted effort for them to win back the public's respect.
    Agree with all of that. No second jobs, no additional remuneration.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,159
    The loss of actor Lee Sun-kyun casts a chill shadow over Korea’s film world
    https://www.theguardian.com/film/commentisfree/2023/dec/27/the-loss-of-actor-lee-sun-kyun-casts-a-chill-shadow-over-koreas-film-world
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,336
    A
    Benpointer said:

    twistedfirestopper3 said:

    Benpointer said:

    I appreciate it's a minority view but MPs should be paid more. A lot more.

    Yup, but also no subsidised restaurants, no bars, no appearing on reality shows when you should be at work and stop the term time nonsense. It needs to be seen as a serious job.
    The current crop of MPs have been their own worst enemies, and it's going to take a concerted effort for them to win back the public's respect.
    Agree with all of that. No second jobs, no additional remuneration.
    I go the other way.

    Second jobs should be mandatory. Reduce the mindless complexity of legislation so that MP is a part time job, again.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,336
    Roger said:

    Freer is an obsessive supporter of Israel and all it's work. However much graffitti is painted on his office walls I bet actuarilly he's a 1000 times safer in his Finchley office than any single child in Gaza whom he wants Israel to continue bombing.

    I presume you would support the firebombing of a Pro Palestine MPs office?

    Or is violence in politics only for some people?
  • No_Offence_AlanNo_Offence_Alan Posts: 4,521
    SirNorfolkPassmore said:

    Luckyguy1983 said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    Benpointer said:

    Maybe the government could help alleviate food poverty *and* improve the nation's health by distributing free healthy food to anyone who wants it? One collection per person per week allowed.

    Free stuff is expensive, creates a sense of entitlement on those who receive it (for which they are not grateful and for whom it's never enough) and doesn't do much to transform outcomes.

    I'd maybe look more seriously at subsidising healthy food, and teaching home economics/simple cooking to all, but I think a price must be paid for it to be valued and appreciated.
    I think it would be far better to look at ways that we can make our national staples (bread, milk, spreading fat, pasta, potatoes) healthier. That could have a dramatic effect on levels of overall health, and benefit the poor disproportionately, as these 'basics' will feature nore heavily in their diets.
    FPT. Minimum levels of vitamin and mineral fortification of several processed staple foods (particularly bread) have been a feature of regulation for decades. Not sure how you would realistically do that with things like potatoes.
    What genuinely puzzles me is why the "no mass medication" crowd, who protest at the fluoridation of the water supply, have no objection to adding, say, folic acid to bread.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,336
    No_Offence_Alan said:

    SirNorfolkPassmore said:

    Luckyguy1983 said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    Benpointer said:

    Maybe the government could help alleviate food poverty *and* improve the nation's health by distributing free healthy food to anyone who wants it? One collection per person per week allowed.

    Free stuff is expensive, creates a sense of entitlement on those who receive it (for which they are not grateful and for whom it's never enough) and doesn't do much to transform outcomes.

    I'd maybe look more seriously at subsidising healthy food, and teaching home economics/simple cooking to all, but I think a price must be paid for it to be valued and appreciated.
    I think it would be far better to look at ways that we can make our national staples (bread, milk, spreading fat, pasta, potatoes) healthier. That could have a dramatic effect on levels of overall health, and benefit the poor disproportionately, as these 'basics' will feature nore heavily in their diets.
    FPT. Minimum levels of vitamin and mineral fortification of several processed staple foods (particularly bread) have been a feature of regulation for decades. Not sure how you would realistically do that with things like potatoes.
    What genuinely puzzles me is why the "no mass medication" crowd, who protest at the fluoridation of the water supply, have no objection to adding, say, folic acid to bread.
    The number of anti-vaxers who take illegal drugs….
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,094
    Malmesbury said:

    A

    Benpointer said:

    twistedfirestopper3 said:

    Benpointer said:

    I appreciate it's a minority view but MPs should be paid more. A lot more.

    Yup, but also no subsidised restaurants, no bars, no appearing on reality shows when you should be at work and stop the term time nonsense. It needs to be seen as a serious job.
    The current crop of MPs have been their own worst enemies, and it's going to take a concerted effort for them to win back the public's respect.
    Agree with all of that. No second jobs, no additional remuneration.
    I go the other way.

    Second jobs should be mandatory. Reduce the mindless complexity of legislation so that MP is a part time job, again.
    Mps who have a wide experience outside parliament are essential to the HOC and if they continue to practice in a professional capacity or in their business then preventing them earning from these sources would have a negative effect.

    It is however essential that all their interests are declared and policed by the commons committee
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,159
    IanB2 said:

    williamglenn said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    viewcode said:

    kjh said:

    AverageNinja said:

    I would run for the Pro-Vegan-Anti-Venison party. I would call it "Left Wing Scum"

    You can't be pro vegan and anti venison. I think we decided sometime ago here that venison is vegan.
    Venison isn't vegan. I shall call the vegan police to deveganise you with their deveganising ray.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dLpCZ8g5uK8
    The question of whether venison is vegan is a complex issue that involves considerations of ethics, health, and personal values. While venison is derived from animals, which conflicts with the core principles of veganism, there are numerous alternatives available to vegans that provide comparable flavours and nutritional benefits.

    Vegans can choose from a wide array of plant-based protein sources and innovative recipes that replicate the taste and texture of venison without the ethical concerns associated with animal exploitation. Ultimately, the decision of whether to consume venison as a vegan is a personal choice that should be guided by an understanding of the underlying principles of veganism and a commitment to reducing harm to animals and the environment.

    https://casadesante.com/en-eu/blogs/gut-health/is-venison-vegan
    Saying that "venison is derived from animals" seems a bit too euphemistic for a vegan.
    If the deer had a diet consisting solely of plants and lived a carefree, frolicking life in the wild before meeting its fate, then technically, eating venison could be considered a vegan-friendly choice.
    Not very friendly to be eating the vegan deer.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,667
    Farewell then Jacques Delors, you made the shape of Europe yours.
    Though Maggie thought you very wrong, she had to quit before too long.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,159
    No_Offence_Alan said:

    SirNorfolkPassmore said:

    Luckyguy1983 said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    Benpointer said:

    Maybe the government could help alleviate food poverty *and* improve the nation's health by distributing free healthy food to anyone who wants it? One collection per person per week allowed.

    Free stuff is expensive, creates a sense of entitlement on those who receive it (for which they are not grateful and for whom it's never enough) and doesn't do much to transform outcomes.

    I'd maybe look more seriously at subsidising healthy food, and teaching home economics/simple cooking to all, but I think a price must be paid for it to be valued and appreciated.
    I think it would be far better to look at ways that we can make our national staples (bread, milk, spreading fat, pasta, potatoes) healthier. That could have a dramatic effect on levels of overall health, and benefit the poor disproportionately, as these 'basics' will feature nore heavily in their diets.
    FPT. Minimum levels of vitamin and mineral fortification of several processed staple foods (particularly bread) have been a feature of regulation for decades. Not sure how you would realistically do that with things like potatoes.
    What genuinely puzzles me is why the "no mass medication" crowd, who protest at the fluoridation of the water supply, have no objection to adding, say, folic acid to bread.
    Folate, or folic acid, is an essential dietary requirement which we cannot live without.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,667
    Malmesbury said:

    A

    Benpointer said:

    twistedfirestopper3 said:

    Benpointer said:

    I appreciate it's a minority view but MPs should be paid more. A lot more.

    Yup, but also no subsidised restaurants, no bars, no appearing on reality shows when you should be at work and stop the term time nonsense. It needs to be seen as a serious job.
    The current crop of MPs have been their own worst enemies, and it's going to take a concerted effort for them to win back the public's respect.
    Agree with all of that. No second jobs, no additional remuneration.
    I go the other way.

    Second jobs should be mandatory. Reduce the mindless complexity of legislation so that MP is a part time job, again.
    You'd need to reduce the complexity of the world first.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,159
    Benpointer said:

    Farewell then Jacques Delors, you made the shape of Europe yours.
    Though Maggie thought you very wrong, she had to quit before too long.

    Let us no more speak of your flaws, Delors.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,667
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Malmesbury said:

    A

    Benpointer said:

    twistedfirestopper3 said:

    Benpointer said:

    I appreciate it's a minority view but MPs should be paid more. A lot more.

    Yup, but also no subsidised restaurants, no bars, no appearing on reality shows when you should be at work and stop the term time nonsense. It needs to be seen as a serious job.
    The current crop of MPs have been their own worst enemies, and it's going to take a concerted effort for them to win back the public's respect.
    Agree with all of that. No second jobs, no additional remuneration.
    I go the other way.

    Second jobs should be mandatory. Reduce the mindless complexity of legislation so that MP is a part time job, again.
    Mps who have a wide experience outside parliament are essential to the HOC and if they continue to practice in a professional capacity or in their business then preventing them earning from these sources would have a negative effect.

    It is however essential that all their interests are declared and policed by the commons committee
    Policed how? Would Dorries or Hancock and many continue to be allowed to increase their wide experience of reality TV shows? Does that help keep them grounded in the real world maybe?

    Or do we have a list of acceptable occupations?

    No, we should pay them 2 or 3 times what they currently get, remove the subsidised bars etc as per twistedfirestopper, and ban them from other remuneration while they are MPs.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,667
    edited December 2023
    No_Offence_Alan said:

    SirNorfolkPassmore said:

    Luckyguy1983 said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    Benpointer said:

    Maybe the government could help alleviate food poverty *and* improve the nation's health by distributing free healthy food to anyone who wants it? One collection per person per week allowed.

    Free stuff is expensive, creates a sense of entitlement on those who receive it (for which they are not grateful and for whom it's never enough) and doesn't do much to transform outcomes.

    I'd maybe look more seriously at subsidising healthy food, and teaching home economics/simple cooking to all, but I think a price must be paid for it to be valued and appreciated.
    I think it would be far better to look at ways that we can make our national staples (bread, milk, spreading fat, pasta, potatoes) healthier. That could have a dramatic effect on levels of overall health, and benefit the poor disproportionately, as these 'basics' will feature nore heavily in their diets.
    FPT. Minimum levels of vitamin and mineral fortification of several processed staple foods (particularly bread) have been a feature of regulation for decades. Not sure how you would realistically do that with things like potatoes.
    What genuinely puzzles me is why the "no mass medication" crowd, who protest at the fluoridation of the water supply, have no objection to adding, say, folic acid to bread.
    You can, I suppose, choose not to eat bread. Avoiding water and the products it is used in is harder.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,914
    Malmesbury said:

    Roger said:

    Freer is an obsessive supporter of Israel and all it's work. However much graffitti is painted on his office walls I bet actuarilly he's a 1000 times safer in his Finchley office than any single child in Gaza whom he wants Israel to continue bombing.

    I presume you would support the firebombing of a Pro Palestine MPs office?

    Or is violence in politics only for some people?
    There are no pro Palestinian MP's who support the bombing of Israel.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,571
    RIP Jacques Delors.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 4,937
    Benpointer said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Malmesbury said:

    A

    Benpointer said:

    twistedfirestopper3 said:

    Benpointer said:

    I appreciate it's a minority view but MPs should be paid more. A lot more.

    Yup, but also no subsidised restaurants, no bars, no appearing on reality shows when you should be at work and stop the term time nonsense. It needs to be seen as a serious job.
    The current crop of MPs have been their own worst enemies, and it's going to take a concerted effort for them to win back the public's respect.
    Agree with all of that. No second jobs, no additional remuneration.
    I go the other way.

    Second jobs should be mandatory. Reduce the mindless complexity of legislation so that MP is a part time job, again.
    Mps who have a wide experience outside parliament are essential to the HOC and if they continue to practice in a professional capacity or in their business then preventing them earning from these sources would have a negative effect.

    It is however essential that all their interests are declared and policed by the commons committee
    Policed how? Would Dorries or Hancock and many continue to be allowed to increase their wide experience of reality TV shows? Does that help keep them grounded in the real world maybe?

    Or do we have a list of acceptable occupations?

    No, we should pay them 2 or 3 times what they currently get, remove the subsidised bars etc as per twistedfirestopper, and ban them from other remuneration while they are MPs.
    There should be a rule that nobody can become an MP until they have worked for at least 10 years in a non political capacity. Therefore, no ex SPADs, no ex councillors, no ex MSPs or AMs.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,677
    Roger said:

    Malmesbury said:

    Roger said:

    Freer is an obsessive supporter of Israel and all it's work. However much graffitti is painted on his office walls I bet actuarilly he's a 1000 times safer in his Finchley office than any single child in Gaza whom he wants Israel to continue bombing.

    I presume you would support the firebombing of a Pro Palestine MPs office?

    Or is violence in politics only for some people?
    There are no pro Palestinian MP's who support the bombing of Israel.
    https://www.jewishnews.co.uk/mps-mcdonnell-and-sultana-addressed-crowd-that-called-for-hamas-to-blow-up-israeli-city/

    Former Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell and fellow Labour MP Zarah Sultana have been urged to explain their participation at a rally held by the Palestine Solidarity Campaign and the Stop the War Coalition, where the crowd called for Hamas to “blow up” an Israeli city.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,409
    Roger said:

    Malmesbury said:

    Roger said:

    Freer is an obsessive supporter of Israel and all it's work. However much graffitti is painted on his office walls I bet actuarilly he's a 1000 times safer in his Finchley office than any single child in Gaza whom he wants Israel to continue bombing.

    I presume you would support the firebombing of a Pro Palestine MPs office?

    Or is violence in politics only for some people?
    There are no pro Palestinian MP's who support the bombing of Israel.
    You seem to be unaware of the Life and Works of Jeremy Corbyn, MP
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,524
    Nigelb said:

    The latest pizza controversy - replacing the base with fried chicken
    https://twitter.com/curiouswavefn/status/1740002559203705288

    A pedant notes: This is a chizza, not a pizza issue according to the TwiX. A category error has been made. Like grandfather's axe, pizzas have two elements, a breadlike farinaceous base and a topping. Debate rages (qv PB passim) as to what are the constraints and constants of the topping, but the base is a fixture, though the quality is variable - from just edible to revolting. If I change the base to chicken, lard, frozen currants or ice cream it is not pizza. When I take grandfather's axe and replace the handle and then the head it is still grandfather's axe but if I replace the head with a bar of soap and the handle with a banana, it isn't.
  • pm215pm215 Posts: 1,138
    Big_G_NorthWales said:


    Mps who have a wide experience outside parliament are essential to the HOC and if they continue to practice in a professional capacity or in their business then preventing them earning from these sources would have a negative effect.

    If we think this (and I'm definitely sympathetic to the idea) we should probably want to have incentives that increase the variety of prior and outside experience and reduce the number of MPs whose previous experience is all politics, law, and think tank stuff. For instance the number of MPs with a background as a manual worker fell from over 15% to 3% between 1979 and 2015. (Source: https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/CBP-7483/CBP-7483.pdf )

  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 22,087
    edited December 2023
    SandyRentool said:

    Nigelb said:

    The latest pizza controversy - replacing the base with fried chicken
    https://twitter.com/curiouswavefn/status/1740002559203705288

    Not too dissimilar to a Parmo.

    And Parmos are great. The only good thing to come from Middlesbrough.
    Indeed.

    Though actually if you're on a ketogenic diet then replacing the crust with unbreaded chicken works quite well actually as a healthier low-carb alternative to a pizza crust.

    https://www.wholesomeyum.com/low-carb-keto-chicken-crust-pizza-recipe/
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,336
    Roger said:

    Malmesbury said:

    Roger said:

    Freer is an obsessive supporter of Israel and all it's work. However much graffitti is painted on his office walls I bet actuarilly he's a 1000 times safer in his Finchley office than any single child in Gaza whom he wants Israel to continue bombing.

    I presume you would support the firebombing of a Pro Palestine MPs office?

    Or is violence in politics only for some people?
    There are no pro Palestinian MP's who support the bombing of Israel.
    You haven’t managed to hear the Corbynite types who have justified over the years, for example, the missile attacks on Israel.

    Just as they (and similarly minded MPs) used to justify the PIRA blowing up pubs.

    Violence and advocating violence against democratically elected politicians is always wrong.

    Because it always destroys democracy in the end.

    I could introduce you to a on e of the results of the Peruvian
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,862
    edited December 2023
    Malmesbury said:

    Roger said:

    Freer is an obsessive supporter of Israel and all it's work. However much graffitti is painted on his office walls I bet actuarilly he's a 1000 times safer in his Finchley office than any single child in Gaza whom he wants Israel to continue bombing.

    I presume you would support the firebombing of a Pro Palestine MPs office?

    Or is violence in politics only for some people?
    Test:


  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,914
    williamglenn said:

    Roger said:

    Malmesbury said:

    Roger said:

    Freer is an obsessive supporter of Israel and all it's work. However much graffitti is painted on his office walls I bet actuarilly he's a 1000 times safer in his Finchley office than any single child in Gaza whom he wants Israel to continue bombing.

    I presume you would support the firebombing of a Pro Palestine MPs office?

    Or is violence in politics only for some people?
    There are no pro Palestinian MP's who support the bombing of Israel.
    https://www.jewishnews.co.uk/mps-mcdonnell-and-sultana-addressed-crowd-that-called-for-hamas-to-blow-up-israeli-city/

    Former Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell and fellow Labour MP Zarah Sultana have been urged to explain their participation at a rally held by the Palestine Solidarity Campaign and the Stop the War Coalition, where the crowd called for Hamas to “blow up” an Israeli city.
    When you produce a single quote from any British MP suggesting The Palestinians should blow up an Israeli city then it could be worth continuing this conversation. Your Reductio ad Absurdum is just fucking boring.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,524
    Malmesbury said:

    A

    Benpointer said:

    twistedfirestopper3 said:

    Benpointer said:

    I appreciate it's a minority view but MPs should be paid more. A lot more.

    Yup, but also no subsidised restaurants, no bars, no appearing on reality shows when you should be at work and stop the term time nonsense. It needs to be seen as a serious job.
    The current crop of MPs have been their own worst enemies, and it's going to take a concerted effort for them to win back the public's respect.
    Agree with all of that. No second jobs, no additional remuneration.
    I go the other way.

    Second jobs should be mandatory. Reduce the mindless complexity of legislation so that MP is a part time job, again.
    It should be part time and unpaid apart from travel expenses. Each should have an office staff, paid, for case work.

    A qualification for all MPs should be the capacity to comprehend the meaning and implication of all the laws and regulations they pass in our name. A licence is issued if you pass. This should be tested and renewed annually, failure means revocation of the licence to be an MP.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 22,087
    SirNorfolkPassmore said:

    Luckyguy1983 said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    Benpointer said:

    Maybe the government could help alleviate food poverty *and* improve the nation's health by distributing free healthy food to anyone who wants it? One collection per person per week allowed.

    Free stuff is expensive, creates a sense of entitlement on those who receive it (for which they are not grateful and for whom it's never enough) and doesn't do much to transform outcomes.

    I'd maybe look more seriously at subsidising healthy food, and teaching home economics/simple cooking to all, but I think a price must be paid for it to be valued and appreciated.
    I think it would be far better to look at ways that we can make our national staples (bread, milk, spreading fat, pasta, potatoes) healthier. That could have a dramatic effect on levels of overall health, and benefit the poor disproportionately, as these 'basics' will feature nore heavily in their diets.
    FPT. Minimum levels of vitamin and mineral fortification of several processed staple foods (particularly bread) have been a feature of regulation for decades. Not sure how you would realistically do that with things like potatoes.
    We could help to ensure people can afford healthy foods like meats so they aren't forced to eat crappy carbs like potatoes in the first place.

    Also drop any failed 20th century "food pyramids" that put crappy carbs as foods to eat a lot of.

    I have meat with every meal, but potatoes only rarely, much, much healthier than the other way around but also a lot more expensive - not everyone can afford to do the same and too many still recommend the opposite.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,793
    Leon said:

    Roger said:

    Malmesbury said:

    Roger said:

    Freer is an obsessive supporter of Israel and all it's work. However much graffitti is painted on his office walls I bet actuarilly he's a 1000 times safer in his Finchley office than any single child in Gaza whom he wants Israel to continue bombing.

    I presume you would support the firebombing of a Pro Palestine MPs office?

    Or is violence in politics only for some people?
    There are no pro Palestinian MP's who support the bombing of Israel.
    You seem to be unaware of the Life and Works of Jeremy Corbyn, MP
    Nice of you to return with a juicy bit of libel for us.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,409
    OnlyLivingBoy said:

    Leon said:

    Roger said:

    Malmesbury said:

    Roger said:

    Freer is an obsessive supporter of Israel and all it's work. However much graffitti is painted on his office walls I bet actuarilly he's a 1000 times safer in his Finchley office than any single child in Gaza whom he wants Israel to continue bombing.

    I presume you would support the firebombing of a Pro Palestine MPs office?

    Or is violence in politics only for some people?
    There are no pro Palestinian MP's who support the bombing of Israel.
    You seem to be unaware of the Life and Works of Jeremy Corbyn, MP
    Nice of you to return with a juicy bit of libel for us.
    "Labour’s Jeremy Corbyn: Why I called Hamas our friends"

    https://www.thejc.com/news/labours-jeremy-corbyn-why-i-called-hamas-our-friends-jag6fwha
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,253
    Benpointer said:

    twistedfirestopper3 said:

    Benpointer said:

    I appreciate it's a minority view but MPs should be paid more. A lot more.

    Yup, but also no subsidised restaurants, no bars, no appearing on reality shows when you should be at work and stop the term time nonsense. It needs to be seen as a serious job.
    The current crop of MPs have been their own worst enemies, and it's going to take a concerted effort for them to win back the public's respect.
    Agree with all of that. No second jobs, no additional remuneration.
    MPs wouldn't be able to be ministers, then
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,524
    BartholomewRoberts said:

    SirNorfolkPassmore said:

    Luckyguy1983 said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    Benpointer said:

    Maybe the government could help alleviate food poverty *and* improve the nation's health by distributing free healthy food to anyone who wants it? One collection per person per week allowed.

    Free stuff is expensive, creates a sense of entitlement on those who receive it (for which they are not grateful and for whom it's never enough) and doesn't do much to transform outcomes.

    I'd maybe look more seriously at subsidising healthy food, and teaching home economics/simple cooking to all, but I think a price must be paid for it to be valued and appreciated.
    I think it would be far better to look at ways that we can make our national staples (bread, milk, spreading fat, pasta, potatoes) healthier. That could have a dramatic effect on levels of overall health, and benefit the poor disproportionately, as these 'basics' will feature nore heavily in their diets.
    FPT. Minimum levels of vitamin and mineral fortification of several processed staple foods (particularly bread) have been a feature of regulation for decades. Not sure how you would realistically do that with things like potatoes.
    We could help to ensure people can afford healthy foods like meats so they aren't forced to eat crappy carbs like potatoes in the first place.

    Also drop any failed 20th century "food pyramids" that put crappy carbs as foods to eat a lot of.

    I have meat with every meal, but potatoes only rarely, much, much healthier than the other way around but also a lot more expensive - not everyone can afford to do the same and too many still recommend the opposite.
    Potatoes are loads healthier if you turn them into chips, especially if done so with beef fat.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,914
    Leon said:

    Roger said:

    Malmesbury said:

    Roger said:

    Freer is an obsessive supporter of Israel and all it's work. However much graffitti is painted on his office walls I bet actuarilly he's a 1000 times safer in his Finchley office than any single child in Gaza whom he wants Israel to continue bombing.

    I presume you would support the firebombing of a Pro Palestine MPs office?

    Or is violence in politics only for some people?
    There are no pro Palestinian MP's who support the bombing of Israel.
    You seem to be unaware of the Life and Works of Jeremy Corbyn, MP
    Apparently only 30% of Americans currently support Bidens policy of continuing the bombing of Gaza. According to Radio 4 this is now affecting his re election chances. Amongst young people the numbers are even worse.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 22,087
    Roger said:

    williamglenn said:

    Roger said:

    Malmesbury said:

    Roger said:

    Freer is an obsessive supporter of Israel and all it's work. However much graffitti is painted on his office walls I bet actuarilly he's a 1000 times safer in his Finchley office than any single child in Gaza whom he wants Israel to continue bombing.

    I presume you would support the firebombing of a Pro Palestine MPs office?

    Or is violence in politics only for some people?
    There are no pro Palestinian MP's who support the bombing of Israel.
    https://www.jewishnews.co.uk/mps-mcdonnell-and-sultana-addressed-crowd-that-called-for-hamas-to-blow-up-israeli-city/

    Former Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell and fellow Labour MP Zarah Sultana have been urged to explain their participation at a rally held by the Palestine Solidarity Campaign and the Stop the War Coalition, where the crowd called for Hamas to “blow up” an Israeli city.
    When you produce a single quote from any British MP suggesting The Palestinians should blow up an Israeli city then it could be worth continuing this conversation. Your Reductio ad Absurdum is just fucking boring.
    You don't need to decode what an MP means when they call Hamas and Hezbollah their "friends".

    Your excuse-making and denialism is even more effing boring.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SLvwNTFcc8
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,524
    Roger said:

    Leon said:

    Roger said:

    Malmesbury said:

    Roger said:

    Freer is an obsessive supporter of Israel and all it's work. However much graffitti is painted on his office walls I bet actuarilly he's a 1000 times safer in his Finchley office than any single child in Gaza whom he wants Israel to continue bombing.

    I presume you would support the firebombing of a Pro Palestine MPs office?

    Or is violence in politics only for some people?
    There are no pro Palestinian MP's who support the bombing of Israel.
    You seem to be unaware of the Life and Works of Jeremy Corbyn, MP
    Apparently only 30% of Americans currently support Bidens policy of continuing the bombing of Gaza. According to Radio 4 this is now affecting his re election chances. Amongst young people the numbers are even worse.
    What is it about 30%? According the the Economist 30% of Americans believe that Trump has been anointed by God to lead them.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,488
    Benpointer said:

    Farewell then Jacques Delors, you made the shape of Europe yours.
    Though Maggie thought you very wrong, she had to quit before too long.

    Jacques Delors
    Stood at the doors
    Of heaven all aglow.
    “Can I come in?”
    He said to Him
    God answered “No, no, no.”
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,159
    edited December 2023
    algarkirk said:

    Nigelb said:

    The latest pizza controversy - replacing the base with fried chicken
    https://twitter.com/curiouswavefn/status/1740002559203705288

    A pedant notes: This is a chizza, not a pizza issue according to the TwiX. A category error has been made. Like grandfather's axe, pizzas have two elements, a breadlike farinaceous base and a topping. Debate rages (qv PB passim) as to what are the constraints and constants of the topping, but the base is a fixture, though the quality is variable - from just edible to revolting. If I change the base to chicken, lard, frozen currants or ice cream it is not pizza. When I take grandfather's axe and replace the handle and then the head it is still grandfather's axe but if I replace the head with a bar of soap and the handle with a banana, it isn't.
    Hence the controversy.

    Also you are neglecting to analyse whatever food element it is that coats the chicken. Which may well be farinaceous (or might just be crap).
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,159
    algarkirk said:

    Roger said:

    Leon said:

    Roger said:

    Malmesbury said:

    Roger said:

    Freer is an obsessive supporter of Israel and all it's work. However much graffitti is painted on his office walls I bet actuarilly he's a 1000 times safer in his Finchley office than any single child in Gaza whom he wants Israel to continue bombing.

    I presume you would support the firebombing of a Pro Palestine MPs office?

    Or is violence in politics only for some people?
    There are no pro Palestinian MP's who support the bombing of Israel.
    You seem to be unaware of the Life and Works of Jeremy Corbyn, MP
    Apparently only 30% of Americans currently support Bidens policy of continuing the bombing of Gaza. According to Radio 4 this is now affecting his re election chances. Amongst young people the numbers are even worse.
    What is it about 30%? According the the Economist 30% of Americans believe that Trump has been anointed by God to lead them.
    Not good, God.
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