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Starmer maintains his solid approval ratings – politicalbetting.com

SystemSystem Posts: 11,002
edited December 2023 in General
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  • first like SKS!
  • I voted proudly for Keir Starmer and always believed he would be PM even when most didn’t.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 11,075

    I voted proudly for Keir Starmer and always believed he would be PM even when most didn’t.

    He’s not yet. He’s still got to get past a rejuvenated Liz Truss who, given Sunak’s ratings, will be back early in the New Year. Mark my words. She’s coming home to No.10.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 11,075
    Liz Truss remains, overwhelmingly,the most favoured former PM born in the 1970s. It’s just a matter of time before she’s back.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 24,911
    DougSeal said:

    Liz Truss remains, overwhelmingly,the most favoured former PM born in the 1970s. It’s just a matter of time before she’s back.

    That post might not age well if Suella gets her way.
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 2,452
    FPT: ydoethur asked: "Are you the last person on the planet who thinks he [George W. Bush] wasn't a complete twat . . ?"

    No. "Was it simply Donald Trump’s unprecedented presidency that reversed Bush’s approval rating slide and raised it to 61 percent by early 2018? Even among historians surveyed by C-SPAN in 2021, he rose four places in as many years, now ranking 29th out of 44 presidents. By contrast, Trump landed 41st in the historians’ rankings, and nearly half of Americans polled by the Gallup organization just before he left office predicted that history would rate him as a “poor” president."
    (Links omitted.)
    source: https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/569913-dont-misunderestimate-george-w-bush/

    More here: https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/10/20/george-w-bush-hamas-analysis-00122516

    Katrina is an interesting example -- which does not support your conclusion. The two states most affected by the hurricane were Louisiana and Mississippi. Louisiana responded by electing Bobby Jindal, who had been part of the Bush administration. One reason for that may have been the somewhat better response by Mississippi, which had a Republican governor, and still does. A poll in Louisiana, shortly after the hurricane hit, blamed state and local Democrats more than Bush for problems with the response.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 46,453
    A big hit of weed from a Crater420 and one of the Seven Magnificat Antiphons by Arvo Part really puts a new perspective on tings
  • isamisam Posts: 40,847
    edited December 2023
    He’s been in positive territory ever since Boris quit. What a gift that was for him

    And now he’s making speeches equating mass immigration with low wages.
  • According to my naan, he is out celebrating with a beer and a korma.
  • According to my naan, he is out celebrating with a beer and a korma.

    Beans-on-naan?
  • TimSTimS Posts: 9,309
    isam said:

    He’s been in positive territory ever since Boris quit. What a gift that was for him

    And now he’s making speeches equating mass immigration with low wages.

    By the end of Boris’s time Starmer was giving him a weekly dressing down in PMQs. Sure, he had good material to go on - repeatedly catching him out for lying, and watching while we got half apology after half apology - but that was the time I think Starmer hit his stride in parliament. And Boris was by then a shadow of his former self. Truss then gave him a series of wonderful open goals of course, and the opportunity to start using humour, which he was never able to do with Boris.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,116
    from previous thread for Leon
    geoffw said:

    Leon said:



    "harnessing the hallucinations"

    Who is to say this isn't how human cognition works? We just do not know. Two black boxes confronting each other

    See Arthur Koestler's The Act of Creation (1964) in which he postulates that inventions occur as the collision of disparate mental matrices (don't ask me to elaborate - I lent the book out 20 years ago and it hasn't been returned)

    edit to add: Wikipedia has a useful account:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Act_of_Creation
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 50,976
    One of the best political pieces I have ever seen was the Daily Show piece on Biden: acceptable under the circumstances.

    We really, really need a Starmer equivalent. I can’t see him providing us with entertainment any other way.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 24,911
    isam said:

    He’s been in positive territory ever since Boris quit. What a gift that was for him

    And now he’s making speeches equating mass immigration with low wages.

    You keep forgetting Johnson was a very bad man, and a Prime Minister totally out of his depth, due to his venality and his terminal laziness.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,116
    Header says "Starmer maintains his solid approval ratings"
    I suppose he does but the graph in the header ends 6 months ago
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 50,976

    isam said:

    He’s been in positive territory ever since Boris quit. What a gift that was for him

    And now he’s making speeches equating mass immigration with low wages.

    You keep forgetting Johnson was a very bad man, and a Prime Minister totally out of his depth, due to his venality and his terminal laziness.
    He wasn’t a bad man, he was just a very naughty boy.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,164
    DavidL said:

    isam said:

    He’s been in positive territory ever since Boris quit. What a gift that was for him

    And now he’s making speeches equating mass immigration with low wages.

    You keep forgetting Johnson was a very bad man, and a Prime Minister totally out of his depth, due to his venality and his terminal laziness.
    He wasn’t a bad man, he was just a very naughty boy.
    Or both
  • DavidL said:

    One of the best political pieces I have ever seen was the Daily Show piece on Biden: acceptable under the circumstances.

    We really, really need a Starmer equivalent. I can’t see him providing us with entertainment any other way.

    Starmer- he'll have to do.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 9,309
    geoffw said:

    Header says "Starmer maintains his solid approval ratings"
    I suppose he does but the graph in the header ends 6 months ago

    Yes that’s an odd choice of graphic. Here are his latest R&W ratings from November:



    +8%. He was meandering between 5 and 10 in the last months of that graph in the header. So, similar.
  • isamisam Posts: 40,847
    edited December 2023
    TimS said:

    isam said:

    He’s been in positive territory ever since Boris quit. What a gift that was for him

    And now he’s making speeches equating mass immigration with low wages.

    By the end of Boris’s time Starmer was giving him a weekly dressing down in PMQs. Sure, he had good material to go on - repeatedly catching him out for lying, and watching while we got half apology after half apology - but that was the time I think Starmer hit his stride in parliament. And Boris was by then a shadow of his former self. Truss then gave him a series of wonderful open goals of course, and the opportunity to start using humour, which he was never able to do with Boris.
    Yes, Boris getting an FPN was the perfect storm for Sir Keir. What made it even better was that Boris didn’t think he’d done anything that bad, if anything wrong at all; the fine was for sitting in his office having some birthday cake, deliberately captured on film by the PMs official photographer. So his attitude made for a great contrast with Starmer’s appalled, pious lawyer schtick.
  • geoffw said:

    Header says "Starmer maintains his solid approval ratings"
    I suppose he does but the graph in the header ends 6 months ago

    Here's the latest. Not much has happened since, really.


  • isamisam Posts: 40,847
    edited December 2023
    DavidL said:

    One of the best political pieces I have ever seen was the Daily Show piece on Biden: acceptable under the circumstances.

    We really, really need a Starmer equivalent. I can’t see him providing us with entertainment any other way.

    I only saw it fir the first time recently, but Jim Carrey’s Biden impression really is fantastic

    https://youtu.be/cmV4N3h_UXo?si=ra7UAgSkztGe49i9

  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,901
    SKS.
    When you don't have an industrial cleaner a dustpan and brush is much better than living in shit and squalor.
  • isam said:

    He’s been in positive territory ever since Boris quit. What a gift that was for him

    And now he’s making speeches equating mass immigration with low wages.

    Do you approve of these speeches or not?
  • TimSTimS Posts: 9,309
    isam said:

    TimS said:

    isam said:

    He’s been in positive territory ever since Boris quit. What a gift that was for him

    And now he’s making speeches equating mass immigration with low wages.

    By the end of Boris’s time Starmer was giving him a weekly dressing down in PMQs. Sure, he had good material to go on - repeatedly catching him out for lying, and watching while we got half apology after half apology - but that was the time I think Starmer hit his stride in parliament. And Boris was by then a shadow of his former self. Truss then gave him a series of wonderful open goals of course, and the opportunity to start using humour, which he was never able to do with Boris.
    Yes, Boris getting an FPN was the perfect storm for Sir Keir. What made it even better was that Boris didn’t think he’d done anything that bad, if anything wrong at all; the fine was for sitting in his office having some birthday cake, deliberately captured on film by the PMs official photographer. So his attitude made for a great contrast with Starmer’s appalled, pious lawyer schtick.
    And now he has a thin skinned, occasionally petulant youngster opposite him who doesn’t really seem to know what he wants to stand for, and doesn’t have the gift of humour. Starmer’s been lucky.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 18,891
    DougSeal said:

    I voted proudly for Keir Starmer and always believed he would be PM even when most didn’t.

    He’s not yet. He’s still got to get past a rejuvenated Liz Truss who, given Sunak’s ratings, will be back early in the New Year. Mark my words. She’s coming home to No.10.
    Screwball's coming home...she's coming home....
  • TimSTimS Posts: 9,309

    DavidL said:

    One of the best political pieces I have ever seen was the Daily Show piece on Biden: acceptable under the circumstances.

    We really, really need a Starmer equivalent. I can’t see him providing us with entertainment any other way.

    Starmer- he'll have to do.
    There are gradations: he might have to do (worst); then he’ll have to do. Then (best) he’ll do.
  • mwadamsmwadams Posts: 3,132

    isam said:

    He’s been in positive territory ever since Boris quit. What a gift that was for him

    And now he’s making speeches equating mass immigration with low wages.

    Do you approve of these speeches or not?
    Tough on speeches. Tough on the causes of speeches.
  • El_CapitanoEl_Capitano Posts: 3,870

    geoffw said:

    Header says "Starmer maintains his solid approval ratings"
    I suppose he does but the graph in the header ends 6 months ago

    Here's the latest. Not much has happened since, really.


    The absolute static nature of the polls is something to behold. People have made their mind up. Sunak and Levido must be tearing their hair out that nothing changes this.

    We live in supposedly volatile times - two wars, economic instability, culture wars - yet the polls aren’t moving in the slightest.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,388
    isam said:

    TimS said:

    isam said:

    He’s been in positive territory ever since Boris quit. What a gift that was for him

    And now he’s making speeches equating mass immigration with low wages.

    By the end of Boris’s time Starmer was giving him a weekly dressing down in PMQs. Sure, he had good material to go on - repeatedly catching him out for lying, and watching while we got half apology after half apology - but that was the time I think Starmer hit his stride in parliament. And Boris was by then a shadow of his former self. Truss then gave him a series of wonderful open goals of course, and the opportunity to start using humour, which he was never able to do with Boris.
    Yes, Boris getting an FPN was the perfect storm for Sir Keir. What made it even better was that Boris didn’t think he’d done anything that bad, if anything wrong at all; the fine was for sitting in his office having some birthday cake, deliberately captured on film by the PMs official photographer. So his attitude made for a great contrast with Starmer’s appalled, pious lawyer schtick.
    Boris lied to everyone, most seriously to Parliament. He did this repeatedly. That's why he went.

    It wasn't just a birthday cake. It is the moral vacuum at the heart of his being. He is a con artist and uniquely poorly suited to any position in politics. Like any other con artist he got rumbled and skipped town ahead of punishment.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,388

    geoffw said:

    Header says "Starmer maintains his solid approval ratings"
    I suppose he does but the graph in the header ends 6 months ago

    Here's the latest. Not much has happened since, really.


    The absolute static nature of the polls is something to behold. People have made their mind up. Sunak and Levido must be tearing their hair out that nothing changes this.

    We live in supposedly volatile times - two wars, economic instability, culture wars - yet the polls aren’t moving in the slightest.
    They will move a bit when the election gets announced, and the disengaged voters start to wake up. It could be either direction, but most likely closer. Everyone from press to politicians will talk up a close race.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 18,526
    isam said:

    DavidL said:

    One of the best political pieces I have ever seen was the Daily Show piece on Biden: acceptable under the circumstances.

    We really, really need a Starmer equivalent. I can’t see him providing us with entertainment any other way.

    I only saw it fir the first time recently, but Jim Carrey’s Biden impression really is fantastic

    https://youtu.be/cmV4N3h_UXo?si=ra7UAgSkztGe49i9

    Jason Sudekis's Biden from 2008 was the best, but I don't think Jason could do it now.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iyIbbxVzrU

  • The Royal Family
    @RoyalFamily
    The King has visited the Royal Courts of Justice to celebrate the work of the judiciary and its commitment to the rule of law.


    ====

    He's growing on me.

    Nicely trolled.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 18,891
    He's the first serious politician the country has seen for years, They're just getting used to it
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,880
    viewcode said:

    isam said:

    DavidL said:

    One of the best political pieces I have ever seen was the Daily Show piece on Biden: acceptable under the circumstances.

    We really, really need a Starmer equivalent. I can’t see him providing us with entertainment any other way.

    I only saw it fir the first time recently, but Jim Carrey’s Biden impression really is fantastic

    https://youtu.be/cmV4N3h_UXo?si=ra7UAgSkztGe49i9

    Jason Sudekis's Biden from 2008 was the best, but I don't think Jason could do it now.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iyIbbxVzrU
    I think Tina Fey really steals the show.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,213

    geoffw said:

    Header says "Starmer maintains his solid approval ratings"
    I suppose he does but the graph in the header ends 6 months ago

    Here's the latest. Not much has happened since, really.


    The absolute static nature of the polls is something to behold. People have made their mind up. Sunak and Levido must be tearing their hair out that nothing changes this.

    We live in supposedly volatile times - two wars, economic instability, culture wars - yet the polls aren’t moving in the slightest.
    They could always try governing well.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 47,940
    rcs1000 said:

    viewcode said:

    isam said:

    DavidL said:

    One of the best political pieces I have ever seen was the Daily Show piece on Biden: acceptable under the circumstances.

    We really, really need a Starmer equivalent. I can’t see him providing us with entertainment any other way.

    I only saw it fir the first time recently, but Jim Carrey’s Biden impression really is fantastic

    https://youtu.be/cmV4N3h_UXo?si=ra7UAgSkztGe49i9

    Jason Sudekis's Biden from 2008 was the best, but I don't think Jason could do it now.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iyIbbxVzrU
    I think Tina Fey really steals the show.
    Also the quality of the writing in that sketch is much better than recent US political satire.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 7,495
    edited December 2023
    It's 2029, and Starmer's just won a second GE with a handsome majority.
    And the PB chorus of "gosh, isn't he lucky" continues.

    Just as too many on the left underestimated Johnson, too many on the right and in the centre underestimate Starmer. I think.
  • isamisam Posts: 40,847

    isam said:

    He’s been in positive territory ever since Boris quit. What a gift that was for him

    And now he’s making speeches equating mass immigration with low wages.

    Do you approve of these speeches or not?
    Well I agree with him on that. I wouldn’t say I approved of the speech, because he is obviously being insincere & whitewashing his opposition to Brexit (he now says he ‘voted Remain’ which is a bit like Bobby Sands saying he skipped Breakfast)

  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 2,873

    rcs1000 said:

    viewcode said:

    isam said:

    DavidL said:

    One of the best political pieces I have ever seen was the Daily Show piece on Biden: acceptable under the circumstances.

    We really, really need a Starmer equivalent. I can’t see him providing us with entertainment any other way.

    I only saw it fir the first time recently, but Jim Carrey’s Biden impression really is fantastic

    https://youtu.be/cmV4N3h_UXo?si=ra7UAgSkztGe49i9

    Jason Sudekis's Biden from 2008 was the best, but I don't think Jason could do it now.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iyIbbxVzrU
    I think Tina Fey really steals the show.
    Also the quality of the writing in that sketch is much better than recent US political satire.
    I rewatched 'Edge of Darkness' during lockdown. Holy cow, is the writing good.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,388

    It's 2029, and Starmer's just won a second GE with a handsome majority.
    And the PB chorus of "gosh, isn't he lucky" continues.

    Just as too many on the left underestimated Johnson, too many on the right and in the centre underestimate Starmer. I think.

    Yes, and I am no fan. I will not be voting Labour.

    Starmer does have a ruthlessness in his desire for power that has few equals in recent times, with Johnson being the only one in the same ball park. Both ruthlessly abandoned their previously held positions for no reason other than an electoral strategy.

    The amorality of both bothers me, but while Johnson was ahead in superficial charm, Starmer is streets ahead in terms of change management and constructing firm foundations for power. No doubt that errors will be made and political incidents mishandled for such is the nature of politics. It won't be as pointless as the incidents that led to Johnson running away like Sir Robin.

  • Starmer actually has the best odds of being radical because he’s so dull.
  • It's 2029, and Starmer's just won a second GE with a handsome majority.
    And the PB chorus of "gosh, isn't he lucky" continues.

    Just as too many on the left underestimated Johnson, too many on the right and in the centre underestimate Starmer. I think.

    Keir has been under-estimated since day one. The truth is that he is very good at playing the long game and getting what he wants. He managed to destroy the left.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 47,940
    Just a month to go until Trump potentially has the nomination sewn up.

    image
  • Foxy said:

    It's 2029, and Starmer's just won a second GE with a handsome majority.
    And the PB chorus of "gosh, isn't he lucky" continues.

    Just as too many on the left underestimated Johnson, too many on the right and in the centre underestimate Starmer. I think.

    Yes, and I am no fan. I will not be voting Labour.

    Starmer does have a ruthlessness in his desire for power that has few equals in recent times, with Johnson being the only one in the same ball park. Both ruthlessly abandoned their previously held positions for no reason other than an electoral strategy.

    The amorality of both bothers me, but while Johnson was ahead in superficial charm, Starmer is streets ahead in terms of change management and constructing firm foundations for power. No doubt that errors will be made and political incidents mishandled for such is the nature of politics. It won't be as pointless as the incidents that led to Johnson running away like Sir Robin.

    At least some ruthlessness is a prerequisite for winning power.

    LBJ was ruthless but initially he won power by accident. But he was bloody good at getting what he wanted when he had it. Civil Rights etc.

    Just a late night thought, but I think Starmer may our LBJ. Dull. Uninteresting. But not so born and bred lefty Labour that he can't navigate the Commons and get votes done.

    Probably wouldn't have won but for circumstances.

    We may find that Starmer's two terms, if they happen, enact changes that set the seal on a generation or more.

    But maybe I am biased - he is a fellow Leeds Uni graduate. :smiley:

  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 24,911
    edited December 2023
    isam said:

    TimS said:

    isam said:

    He’s been in positive territory ever since Boris quit. What a gift that was for him

    And now he’s making speeches equating mass immigration with low wages.

    By the end of Boris’s time Starmer was giving him a weekly dressing down in PMQs. Sure, he had good material to go on - repeatedly catching him out for lying, and watching while we got half apology after half apology - but that was the time I think Starmer hit his stride in parliament. And Boris was by then a shadow of his former self. Truss then gave him a series of wonderful open goals of course, and the opportunity to start using humour, which he was never able to do with Boris.
    Yes, Boris getting an FPN was the perfect storm for Sir Keir. What made it even better was that Boris didn’t think he’d done anything that bad, if anything wrong at all; the fine was for sitting in his office having some birthday cake, deliberately captured on film by the PMs official photographer. So his attitude made for a great contrast with Starmer’s appalled, pious lawyer schtick.
    You know your narrative is bollocks so why do you persist with it? Johnson attended multiple illegal events during lockdown. If you believe him that he didn't realise they were parties, you must agree he had no business being Prime Minister.
  • sladeslade Posts: 1,927
    Lib Dem hold in Cotswold.
  • isamisam Posts: 40,847

    isam said:

    TimS said:

    isam said:

    He’s been in positive territory ever since Boris quit. What a gift that was for him

    And now he’s making speeches equating mass immigration with low wages.

    By the end of Boris’s time Starmer was giving him a weekly dressing down in PMQs. Sure, he had good material to go on - repeatedly catching him out for lying, and watching while we got half apology after half apology - but that was the time I think Starmer hit his stride in parliament. And Boris was by then a shadow of his former self. Truss then gave him a series of wonderful open goals of course, and the opportunity to start using humour, which he was never able to do with Boris.
    Yes, Boris getting an FPN was the perfect storm for Sir Keir. What made it even better was that Boris didn’t think he’d done anything that bad, if anything wrong at all; the fine was for sitting in his office having some birthday cake, deliberately captured on film by the PMs official photographer. So his attitude made for a great contrast with Starmer’s appalled, pious lawyer schtick.
    You know your narrative is bollocks so why do you persist with it? Johnson attended multiple illegal events during lockdown. If you believe him that he didn't realise they were parties, you must agree he had no business being Prime Minister.
    Sorry? I said ‘Boris didn’t think he’d done anything that bad, if anything wrong at all’. This is evident; he had the official photographer take pictures of it. He didn’t think it was breaking the rules, hence his lack of contrition. What I think about it is neither here nor there, but those are the facts.
  • sladeslade Posts: 1,927
    Lib Dem hold in Three Rivers.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 18,526
    ohnotnow said:

    rcs1000 said:

    viewcode said:

    isam said:

    DavidL said:

    One of the best political pieces I have ever seen was the Daily Show piece on Biden: acceptable under the circumstances.

    We really, really need a Starmer equivalent. I can’t see him providing us with entertainment any other way.

    I only saw it fir the first time recently, but Jim Carrey’s Biden impression really is fantastic

    https://youtu.be/cmV4N3h_UXo?si=ra7UAgSkztGe49i9

    Jason Sudekis's Biden from 2008 was the best, but I don't think Jason could do it now.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iyIbbxVzrU
    I think Tina Fey really steals the show.
    Also the quality of the writing in that sketch is much better than recent US political satire.
    I rewatched 'Edge of Darkness' during lockdown. Holy cow, is the writing good.
    Yes. Sadly not on iPlayer, at least not now.
  • isamisam Posts: 40,847

    Foxy said:

    It's 2029, and Starmer's just won a second GE with a handsome majority.
    And the PB chorus of "gosh, isn't he lucky" continues.

    Just as too many on the left underestimated Johnson, too many on the right and in the centre underestimate Starmer. I think.

    Yes, and I am no fan. I will not be voting Labour.

    Starmer does have a ruthlessness in his desire for power that has few equals in recent times, with Johnson being the only one in the same ball park. Both ruthlessly abandoned their previously held positions for no reason other than an electoral strategy.

    The amorality of both bothers me, but while Johnson was ahead in superficial charm, Starmer is streets ahead in terms of change management and constructing firm foundations for power. No doubt that errors will be made and political incidents mishandled for such is the nature of politics. It won't be as pointless as the incidents that led to Johnson running away like Sir Robin.

    At least some ruthlessness is a prerequisite for winning power.

    LBJ was ruthless but initially he won power by accident. But he was bloody good at getting what he wanted when he had it. Civil Rights etc.

    Just a late night thought, but I think Starmer may our LBJ. Dull. Uninteresting. But not so born and bred lefty Labour that he can't navigate the Commons and get votes done.

    Probably wouldn't have won but for circumstances.

    We may find that Starmer's two terms, if they happen, enact changes that set the seal on a generation or more.

    But maybe I am biased - he is a fellow Leeds Uni graduate. :smiley:

    I have never said I thought Sir Keir would be a bad PM. I thought he wouldn’t win because he would care so badly in a campaign vs Boris, but that didn’t mean he was a bad choice, just a stiff personality. Now he is up against Sunak, that barrier is gone. He is obviously ruthless, dedicated and shameless, three things that will probably see him do ok
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 2,452
    LBJ had great power, as majority leader of the Senate, and then gave it up to be vice president.
    "Historians Caro and Dallek consider Johnson the most effective Senate majority leader in history. He was unusually proficient at gathering information. One biographer suggests he was "the greatest intelligence gatherer Washington has ever known", discovering exactly where every senator stood on issues, his philosophy and prejudices, his strengths and weaknesses and what it took to get his vote.[65] Robert Baker claimed that Johnson would occasionally send senators on NATO trips to avoid their dissenting votes. . . .

    During his tenure as Majority Leader, Johnson did not sign the 1956 Southern Manifesto,[70][71] and shepherded the Civil Rights Acts of 1957 and 1960 to passage—the first civil rights bills to pass Congress since the Enforcement Acts and the Civil Rights Act of 1875 during Reconstruction."
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyndon_B._Johnson

  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 26,334
    I'm hoping the LDs will get at least 15% at the general election, but not sure how realistic that is. Good results for the party in tonight's by-elections.
  • sladeslade Posts: 1,927
    slade said:

    Surprise of the night - LibDem gain in North Kesteven.

    An astonishing surprise. The Conservatives were unopposed last time and the only other time a Lib Dem stood in this ward they got 57 votes.
  • viewcode said:

    ohnotnow said:

    rcs1000 said:

    viewcode said:

    isam said:

    DavidL said:

    One of the best political pieces I have ever seen was the Daily Show piece on Biden: acceptable under the circumstances.

    We really, really need a Starmer equivalent. I can’t see him providing us with entertainment any other way.

    I only saw it fir the first time recently, but Jim Carrey’s Biden impression really is fantastic

    https://youtu.be/cmV4N3h_UXo?si=ra7UAgSkztGe49i9

    Jason Sudekis's Biden from 2008 was the best, but I don't think Jason could do it now.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iyIbbxVzrU
    I think Tina Fey really steals the show.
    Also the quality of the writing in that sketch is much better than recent US political satire.
    I rewatched 'Edge of Darkness' during lockdown. Holy cow, is the writing good.
    Yes. Sadly not on iPlayer, at least not now.
    One of the truly great Tv shows of 1980s

    Just superb at the time.
  • Just a month to go until Trump potentially has the nomination sewn up.

    image

    Not sure winning Iowa is the be all and end all.

    Haley has NH and S Carolina straight after.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,880

    Just a month to go until Trump potentially has the nomination sewn up.

    image

    I'm not sure a win in Iowa alone is enough to sew the nomination up.

    What would be a "nomination sewn up" victory look like?

    I think he'd need to get at least 60% of the vote, and with a fractured opposition. So if it was Trump 60%, Hayley 30% and DeSantis 10%, that would not be enough to sew it up for him.

    On the other hand, if Trump got 65%, and DeSantis and Hayley were both in the low to mid teens, then that probably would be enough.

    The risk to Trump is principally that his opposition coalesces around a single figure. Iowa might well make that happen.
  • sladeslade Posts: 1,927
    I think all the other local elections are counting tomorrow.
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 2,452
    I suppose I should report this, but it will have to wait until I get caught up on other things: According to Wikipedia, Katheen Blanco was governor of Louisiana from "January 12, 2004 – January 14, 2008" and Haley Barbour was governor of Louisiana from "January 13, 2004 – January 10, 2012".
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kathleen_Blanco
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haley_Barbour

    Strange things happen in American politics, especially in Louisiana -- but the state did not have two governors from 2004 to 2008.

    I saw another mistake in Wkipedia's Louisiana governor sequence, but will leave that as an exercise for readers. (I hope SSI2 will be kind enough to letter our friends in the UK try to find it.)
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,880

    Just a month to go until Trump potentially has the nomination sewn up.

    image

    Not sure winning Iowa is the be all and end all.

    Haley has NH and S Carolina straight after.
    538 has Trump polling 45% in New Hampshire, with Hayley at around 18%. If a fair number of independents vote - and if Christie (currently polling 13% there) has dropped out the race - then it could be a close run thing.

    My gut is that Trump wins Iowa handily, but that Hayley is a clear second.

    Trump then wins New Hampshire, but now it's by a relatively small margin, say 50 to 40 with DeSantis essentially out.

    Can Trump avoid even debating Hayley if she's running him that close?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 47,940
    rcs1000 said:

    Just a month to go until Trump potentially has the nomination sewn up.

    image

    Not sure winning Iowa is the be all and end all.

    Haley has NH and S Carolina straight after.
    538 has Trump polling 45% in New Hampshire, with Hayley at around 18%. If a fair number of independents vote - and if Christie (currently polling 13% there) has dropped out the race - then it could be a close run thing.

    My gut is that Trump wins Iowa handily, but that Hayley is a clear second.

    Trump then wins New Hampshire, but now it's by a relatively small margin, say 50 to 40 with DeSantis essentially out.

    Can Trump avoid even debating Hayley if she's running him that close?
    Endorsements after candidates start dropping out might affect momentum. If the Stop Trump faction are organised they'll try to get everyone lining up behind Haley.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,908
    rcs1000 said:

    Just a month to go until Trump potentially has the nomination sewn up.

    image

    Not sure winning Iowa is the be all and end all.

    Haley has NH and S Carolina straight after.
    538 has Trump polling 45% in New Hampshire, with Hayley at around 18%. If a fair number of independents vote - and if Christie (currently polling 13% there) has dropped out the race - then it could be a close run thing.

    My gut is that Trump wins Iowa handily, but that Hayley is a clear second.

    Trump then wins New Hampshire, but now it's by a relatively small margin, say 50 to 40 with DeSantis essentially out.

    Can Trump avoid even debating Hayley if she's running him that close?
    On that Iowa State poll DeSantis willl be second in Iowa not Trump
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,908
    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Just a month to go until Trump potentially has the nomination sewn up.

    image

    Not sure winning Iowa is the be all and end all.

    Haley has NH and S Carolina straight after.
    538 has Trump polling 45% in New Hampshire, with Hayley at around 18%. If a fair number of independents vote - and if Christie (currently polling 13% there) has dropped out the race - then it could be a close run thing.

    My gut is that Trump wins Iowa handily, but that Hayley is a clear second.

    Trump then wins New Hampshire, but now it's by a relatively small margin, say 50 to 40 with DeSantis essentially out.

    Can Trump avoid even debating Hayley if she's running him that close?
    On that Iowa State poll DeSantis willl be second in Iowa not Trump
    Rather not Haley, apologies
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,880
    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Just a month to go until Trump potentially has the nomination sewn up.

    image

    Not sure winning Iowa is the be all and end all.

    Haley has NH and S Carolina straight after.
    538 has Trump polling 45% in New Hampshire, with Hayley at around 18%. If a fair number of independents vote - and if Christie (currently polling 13% there) has dropped out the race - then it could be a close run thing.

    My gut is that Trump wins Iowa handily, but that Hayley is a clear second.

    Trump then wins New Hampshire, but now it's by a relatively small margin, say 50 to 40 with DeSantis essentially out.

    Can Trump avoid even debating Hayley if she's running him that close?
    On that Iowa State poll DeSantis willl be second in Iowa not Trump
    That poll is quite old - it dates back six weeks or so.

    We've had four polls since then, and none of them have Trump quite so high, with Americans for Prosperity* having Trump on just 44%, with Hayley in second on 17%.

    Now, other pollsters have Trump higher than that (albeit one of them in Trafalgar). Still, in the last four Iowa polls, Trump has only exceeded 50% in one of them.

  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 47,940
    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Just a month to go until Trump potentially has the nomination sewn up.

    image

    Not sure winning Iowa is the be all and end all.

    Haley has NH and S Carolina straight after.
    538 has Trump polling 45% in New Hampshire, with Hayley at around 18%. If a fair number of independents vote - and if Christie (currently polling 13% there) has dropped out the race - then it could be a close run thing.

    My gut is that Trump wins Iowa handily, but that Hayley is a clear second.

    Trump then wins New Hampshire, but now it's by a relatively small margin, say 50 to 40 with DeSantis essentially out.

    Can Trump avoid even debating Hayley if she's running him that close?
    On that Iowa State poll DeSantis willl be second in Iowa not Trump
    That poll is quite old - it dates back six weeks or so.

    We've had four polls since then, and none of them have Trump quite so high, with Americans for Prosperity* having Trump on just 44%, with Hayley in second on 17%.

    Now, other pollsters have Trump higher than that (albeit one of them in Trafalgar). Still, in the last four Iowa polls, Trump has only exceeded 50% in one of them.

    The fieldwork is Dec 8-13. One thing that's interesting is that Ramaswamy and DeSantis both have relatively low negative ratings, with the worst being Christie.

    https://www.news.iastate.edu/news/2023/12/14/24caucus-poll4

    image
  • swing_voterswing_voter Posts: 1,435
    Andy_JS said:

    I'm hoping the LDs will get at least 15% at the general election, but not sure how realistic that is. Good results for the party in tonight's by-elections.

    15% is achievable, esp if they get their southern vote out. It probably wont translate into more than 25 seats though
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 26,334

    Andy_JS said:

    I'm hoping the LDs will get at least 15% at the general election, but not sure how realistic that is. Good results for the party in tonight's by-elections.

    15% is achievable, esp if they get their southern vote out. It probably wont translate into more than 25 seats though
    I'm hoping 35 seats is possible. Maybe they could take a few seats off the SNP in Scotland, such as Ross, Skye and Lochaber.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,803
    On Topic YG have SKS at minus 23 (22/45)
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 5,876
    edited December 2023
    Has PB discussed Sunak's ban on social media for under 16s?

    The country would be much better off banning it for over 60s based on the nonsense I see on facebook.
  • rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Just a month to go until Trump potentially has the nomination sewn up.

    image

    Not sure winning Iowa is the be all and end all.

    Haley has NH and S Carolina straight after.
    538 has Trump polling 45% in New Hampshire, with Hayley at around 18%. If a fair number of independents vote - and if Christie (currently polling 13% there) has dropped out the race - then it could be a close run thing.

    My gut is that Trump wins Iowa handily, but that Hayley is a clear second.

    Trump then wins New Hampshire, but now it's by a relatively small margin, say 50 to 40 with DeSantis essentially out.

    Can Trump avoid even debating Hayley if she's running him that close?
    On that Iowa State poll DeSantis willl be second in Iowa not Trump
    That poll is quite old - it dates back six weeks or so.

    We've had four polls since then, and none of them have Trump quite so high, with Americans for Prosperity* having Trump on just 44%, with Hayley in second on 17%.

    Now, other pollsters have Trump higher than that (albeit one of them in Trafalgar). Still, in the last four Iowa polls, Trump has only exceeded 50% in one of them.

    The fieldwork is Dec 8-13. One thing that's interesting is that Ramaswamy and DeSantis both have relatively low negative ratings, with the worst being Christie.

    https://www.news.iastate.edu/news/2023/12/14/24caucus-poll4

    image
    You wouldn't know who Ramaswamy was unless either he came to the specific place where you happened to be or you'd been watching the debates, like a psycho.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 12,944
    Nigelb said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    Meanwhile, in "it might be a good thing, but do you really think you're going to make this happen" news,

    EXC: Rishi Sunak's government considers crackdown on young teens' social media use 🧵

    - Possible legal ban on use of social media by under-16s
    - Consultation to begin as soon as January
    - Currently industry standard is for 13+ on Tik Tok, Instagram, Facebook
    via twseal and me


    https://twitter.com/kitty_donaldson/status/1735325201372520899

    We're governed by an overbearing 'Tiger Dad'. No TikTok but extra maths. Fuck me, this will do wonders for the future Conservative vote.
    To be fair, I'm sure Rishi flosses.
    Not according to DuraAce - and his wife is a dentist.

    He needs scaling and cosmetic bleaching according to Mrs DA.

    I'm off to South Africa for Christmas now. Mrs DA, being the sentimental type, wants to see what my boyhood Christmases on my grandfather's farm in the Karoo were like. It's also instructive for the Ukrainians to see a failed state in the unlikely event that they decide to return to Malorussia or the even more unlikely event that the tories win next year's GE.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,876
    slade said:

    slade said:

    Surprise of the night - LibDem gain in North Kesteven.

    An astonishing surprise. The Conservatives were unopposed last time and the only other time a Lib Dem stood in this ward they got 57 votes.
    Mood is really against the Tories if they're losing in rural lincolnshire to the LDs.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 38,772
    Dura_Ace said:

    Nigelb said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    Meanwhile, in "it might be a good thing, but do you really think you're going to make this happen" news,

    EXC: Rishi Sunak's government considers crackdown on young teens' social media use 🧵

    - Possible legal ban on use of social media by under-16s
    - Consultation to begin as soon as January
    - Currently industry standard is for 13+ on Tik Tok, Instagram, Facebook
    via twseal and me


    https://twitter.com/kitty_donaldson/status/1735325201372520899

    We're governed by an overbearing 'Tiger Dad'. No TikTok but extra maths. Fuck me, this will do wonders for the future Conservative vote.
    To be fair, I'm sure Rishi flosses.
    Not according to DuraAce - and his wife is a dentist.

    He needs scaling and cosmetic bleaching according to Mrs DA.

    I'm off to South Africa for Christmas now. Mrs DA, being the sentimental type, wants to see what my boyhood Christmases on my grandfather's farm in the Karoo were like. It's also instructive for the Ukrainians to see a failed state in the unlikely event that they decide to return to Malorussia or the even more unlikely event that the tories win next year's GE.
    "Malorussia"

    Jeez, you are a twat at times.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,040

    DavidL said:

    One of the best political pieces I have ever seen was the Daily Show piece on Biden: acceptable under the circumstances.

    We really, really need a Starmer equivalent. I can’t see him providing us with entertainment any other way.

    Starmer- he'll have to do.
    Starmer - mustn't grumble.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 38,772
    Eabhal said:

    Has PB discussed Sunak's ban on social media for under 16s?

    The country would be much better off banning it for over 60s based on the nonsense I see on facebook.

    It's stupid.

    But I've pointed out in the past that there seems to be a problem with channels on online games, where kids are getting some (ahem) interesting takes on the world.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,040

    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Just a month to go until Trump potentially has the nomination sewn up.

    image

    Not sure winning Iowa is the be all and end all.

    Haley has NH and S Carolina straight after.
    538 has Trump polling 45% in New Hampshire, with Hayley at around 18%. If a fair number of independents vote - and if Christie (currently polling 13% there) has dropped out the race - then it could be a close run thing.

    My gut is that Trump wins Iowa handily, but that Hayley is a clear second.

    Trump then wins New Hampshire, but now it's by a relatively small margin, say 50 to 40 with DeSantis essentially out.

    Can Trump avoid even debating Hayley if she's running him that close?
    On that Iowa State poll DeSantis willl be second in Iowa not Trump
    That poll is quite old - it dates back six weeks or so.

    We've had four polls since then, and none of them have Trump quite so high, with Americans for Prosperity* having Trump on just 44%, with Hayley in second on 17%.

    Now, other pollsters have Trump higher than that (albeit one of them in Trafalgar). Still, in the last four Iowa polls, Trump has only exceeded 50% in one of them.

    The fieldwork is Dec 8-13. One thing that's interesting is that Ramaswamy and DeSantis both have relatively low negative ratings, with the worst being Christie.

    https://www.news.iastate.edu/news/2023/12/14/24caucus-poll4

    image
    You wouldn't know who Ramaswamy was unless either he came to the specific place where you happened to be or you'd been watching the debates, like a psycho.
    Or you'd laid him on Betfair.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,040
    edited December 2023
    The great AI debate contd.

    ..in reality it isn’t, not even comprehending (in any meaningful sense) any of the words that it is using. Hence it remains very easy to get AI to throw up nonsensical or obviously false statements if you play with what you know it will be trawling off its database...

    Much if that would also be a true statement about us.
  • 1983: Video wars - BETAMAX versus VHS | The Money Programme
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvpZZ6S18Ms

    Seven minutes of tech business nostalgia posted by the BBC last night.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,040
    The sponsor of a bill in Florida to let businesses make 16- and 17-year-olds work overnight on a school night or 40+ hours during a school week, just said she filed the bill partly to provide more labor for the tourism industry.
    https://twitter.com/Jason_Garcia/status/1735012274685739313
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,880

    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Just a month to go until Trump potentially has the nomination sewn up.

    image

    Not sure winning Iowa is the be all and end all.

    Haley has NH and S Carolina straight after.
    538 has Trump polling 45% in New Hampshire, with Hayley at around 18%. If a fair number of independents vote - and if Christie (currently polling 13% there) has dropped out the race - then it could be a close run thing.

    My gut is that Trump wins Iowa handily, but that Hayley is a clear second.

    Trump then wins New Hampshire, but now it's by a relatively small margin, say 50 to 40 with DeSantis essentially out.

    Can Trump avoid even debating Hayley if she's running him that close?
    On that Iowa State poll DeSantis willl be second in Iowa not Trump
    That poll is quite old - it dates back six weeks or so.

    We've had four polls since then, and none of them have Trump quite so high, with Americans for Prosperity* having Trump on just 44%, with Hayley in second on 17%.

    Now, other pollsters have Trump higher than that (albeit one of them in Trafalgar). Still, in the last four Iowa polls, Trump has only exceeded 50% in one of them.

    The fieldwork is Dec 8-13. One thing that's interesting is that Ramaswamy and DeSantis both have relatively low negative ratings, with the worst being Christie.

    https://www.news.iastate.edu/news/2023/12/14/24caucus-poll4

    image
    Weird, it looks almost identical to a Iowa University poll from early Nov: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/iowa/
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,040
    One of the guys whose 'evidence' is justification for the Republicans' bogus Biden impeachment enquiry.

    IRS WHISTLEBLOWER: *accuses President Biden of influence peddling*

    FOX NEWS HOST: Can Republicans prove all that?

    IRS WHISTLEBLOWER: ... It's up to their investigation

    FOX NEWS: So you're not sure about that question?

    IRS GUY: Republicans are conducting the investigation

    https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1735324928168149318
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,880
    Nigelb said:

    The sponsor of a bill in Florida to let businesses make 16- and 17-year-olds work overnight on a school night or 40+ hours during a school week, just said she filed the bill partly to provide more labor for the tourism industry.
    https://twitter.com/Jason_Garcia/status/1735012274685739313

    "Make"?

    I think you mean "allow".

    It's disgraceful that - at a time when they have nothing better to do - teenagers are being barred from working. Good for this State Senator for stepping up.
  • Nigelb said:

    DavidL said:

    One of the best political pieces I have ever seen was the Daily Show piece on Biden: acceptable under the circumstances.

    We really, really need a Starmer equivalent. I can’t see him providing us with entertainment any other way.

    Starmer- he'll have to do.
    Starmer - mustn't grumble.
    As opposed to Sunak- how dare you grumble, you ungrateful peasants.
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 4,948

    On Topic YG have SKS at minus 23 (22/45)

    The bitter tears of BJO.
  • rcs1000 said:

    Nigelb said:

    The sponsor of a bill in Florida to let businesses make 16- and 17-year-olds work overnight on a school night or 40+ hours during a school week, just said she filed the bill partly to provide more labor for the tourism industry.
    https://twitter.com/Jason_Garcia/status/1735012274685739313

    "Make"?

    I think you mean "allow".

    It's disgraceful that - at a time when they have nothing better to do - teenagers are being barred from working. Good for this State Senator for stepping up.
    Couple it with Sunak's social media suggestions, and teenagers will have way more time for gainful employment.
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 2,191
    Pulpstar said:

    slade said:

    slade said:

    Surprise of the night - LibDem gain in North Kesteven.

    An astonishing surprise. The Conservatives were unopposed last time and the only other time a Lib Dem stood in this ward they got 57 votes.
    Mood is really against the Tories if they're losing in rural lincolnshire to the LDs.
    Well, on the ground, we are getting this all over the country,but this really us a pretty extraordinary result. Any local colour?

    In actual elections the Lib Dems are winning all over the place, so why are the polls still so poor for them?
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 4,948
    Pulpstar said:

    slade said:

    slade said:

    Surprise of the night - LibDem gain in North Kesteven.

    An astonishing surprise. The Conservatives were unopposed last time and the only other time a Lib Dem stood in this ward they got 57 votes.
    Mood is really against the Tories if they're losing in rural lincolnshire to the LDs.
    How LDs do at the next election is going to be the key factor. This is evidence of a possible pincer movement that could see the Tories almost wiped out.

    It's the LD polling figure moving up, rather than that of Reform, that should be bringing them out in a cold sweat.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,388
    Dura_Ace said:

    Nigelb said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    Meanwhile, in "it might be a good thing, but do you really think you're going to make this happen" news,

    EXC: Rishi Sunak's government considers crackdown on young teens' social media use 🧵

    - Possible legal ban on use of social media by under-16s
    - Consultation to begin as soon as January
    - Currently industry standard is for 13+ on Tik Tok, Instagram, Facebook
    via twseal and me


    https://twitter.com/kitty_donaldson/status/1735325201372520899

    We're governed by an overbearing 'Tiger Dad'. No TikTok but extra maths. Fuck me, this will do wonders for the future Conservative vote.
    To be fair, I'm sure Rishi flosses.
    Not according to DuraAce - and his wife is a dentist.

    He needs scaling and cosmetic bleaching according to Mrs DA.

    I'm off to South Africa for Christmas now. Mrs DA, being the sentimental type, wants to see what my boyhood Christmases on my grandfather's farm in the Karoo were like. It's also instructive for the Ukrainians to see a failed state in the unlikely event that they decide to return to Malorussia or the even more unlikely event that the tories win next year's GE.
    Have fun. The Karoo should be beautiful this time of year.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,388
    edited December 2023
    Cicero said:

    Pulpstar said:

    slade said:

    slade said:

    Surprise of the night - LibDem gain in North Kesteven.

    An astonishing surprise. The Conservatives were unopposed last time and the only other time a Lib Dem stood in this ward they got 57 votes.
    Mood is really against the Tories if they're losing in rural lincolnshire to the LDs.
    Well, on the ground, we are getting this all over the country,but this really us a pretty extraordinary result. Any local colour?

    In actual elections the Lib Dems are winning all over the place, so why are the polls still so poor for them?
    It's all rather under the radar, but the opposite of REFUK, with polling stagnation but electoral success.

    Maybe Pack and Davey are masters of targetting. The May locals might be a bit of favourable political news for the party at just the right time
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 2,191
    ohnotnow said:

    rcs1000 said:

    viewcode said:

    isam said:

    DavidL said:

    One of the best political pieces I have ever seen was the Daily Show piece on Biden: acceptable under the circumstances.

    We really, really need a Starmer equivalent. I can’t see him providing us with entertainment any other way.

    I only saw it fir the first time recently, but Jim Carrey’s Biden impression really is fantastic

    https://youtu.be/cmV4N3h_UXo?si=ra7UAgSkztGe49i9

    Jason Sudekis's Biden from 2008 was the best, but I don't think Jason could do it now.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iyIbbxVzrU
    I think Tina Fey really steals the show.
    Also the quality of the writing in that sketch is much better than recent US political satire.
    I rewatched 'Edge of Darkness' during lockdown. Holy cow, is the writing good.
    Also the cast!
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,388
    Cicero said:

    Pulpstar said:

    slade said:

    slade said:

    Surprise of the night - LibDem gain in North Kesteven.

    An astonishing surprise. The Conservatives were unopposed last time and the only other time a Lib Dem stood in this ward they got 57 votes.
    Mood is really against the Tories if they're losing in rural lincolnshire to the LDs.
    Well, on the ground, we are getting this all over the country,but this really us a pretty extraordinary result. Any local colour?

    In actual elections the Lib Dems are winning all over the place, so why are the polls still so poor for them?
    There really isn't much clue in Andrew Teales preview of any particular discontent. Indeed previous councillors were often elected unopposed.

    https://twitter.com/andrewteale/status/1735194409497481276?t=m7aZbDBAMA8i9H5JhO4RxQ&s=19
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,040

    Dura_Ace said:

    Nigelb said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    Meanwhile, in "it might be a good thing, but do you really think you're going to make this happen" news,

    EXC: Rishi Sunak's government considers crackdown on young teens' social media use 🧵

    - Possible legal ban on use of social media by under-16s
    - Consultation to begin as soon as January
    - Currently industry standard is for 13+ on Tik Tok, Instagram, Facebook
    via twseal and me


    https://twitter.com/kitty_donaldson/status/1735325201372520899

    We're governed by an overbearing 'Tiger Dad'. No TikTok but extra maths. Fuck me, this will do wonders for the future Conservative vote.
    To be fair, I'm sure Rishi flosses.
    Not according to DuraAce - and his wife is a dentist.

    He needs scaling and cosmetic bleaching according to Mrs DA.

    I'm off to South Africa for Christmas now. Mrs DA, being the sentimental type, wants to see what my boyhood Christmases on my grandfather's farm in the Karoo were like. It's also instructive for the Ukrainians to see a failed state in the unlikely event that they decide to return to Malorussia or the even more unlikely event that the tories win next year's GE.
    "Malorussia"

    Jeez, you are a twat at times.
    A shared taste for the anachronism of Putin, I guess.

    The workings of Dura's brain are indeed Byzantine on occasion.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,040
    Marketing Company Claims That It Actually Is Listening to Your Phone and Smart Speakers to Target Ads

    https://www.404media.co/cmg-cox-media-actually-listening-to-phones-smartspeakers-for-ads-marketing/
    ..“Is this legal? YES- it is totally legal for phones and devices to listen to you. That's because consumers usually give consent when accepting terms and conditions of software updates or app downloads,” the website says.
    Beyond CMG’s website, very little information is available about the capability, including how exactly the data is gathered, be that via a software development kit (SDK) bundled into apps, or via collection at another point. For its part, Apple does alert iPhone users when an app is accessing the device’s microphone with a small icon in the UI.
    The marketing professional pitched by CMG told 404 Media that after a call with the company, they disabled microphone access on much of their own technology: “I immediately removed all my Amazon Echo devices and locked down microphone permissions on things like my phone as receiving confirmation they are doing things like this have confirmed my worst fears and I, for one, will not take part in it,” they said...
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 15,057
    Your periodic column of the media is skewed to pretty women who aren’t over 40 (ish). Sad case in Norwich extremely reminiscent of the Nicola Bulley affair, yet receiving a fraction of the media interest. Is it because she is in her fifties media? And not a hot young mum?

    https://bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-67718635
  • This is one for @Leon . I'm a massive Steven Wilson fan, and I'm amused to see that he has done a Christmas song. But he hasn't written it! Lyrics are by ChatGPT given the instructions:
    "Christmas Song Lyrics in the style of Steven Wilson
    Don't mention Christmas
    Make it feel cold and lonely"

    Which he has then written music for. Just to add to the fun, the accompanying animated video is also partly AI:

    "AI artwork assets generated by an AI model trained on past SW music video releases and photos of Steven"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQHqxPvzOI8
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