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Lady Haldane will issue her judgment on the Scottish government’s challenge to Westminster’s S.35 Order on the GRR Bill at ca. midday Friday. It will be the first on how far, if at all, Westminster can limit the Scottish government’s devolved legislative powers. It will also have implications for the Equality Act and how trans rights affect women’s rights. That there is a clash between them has not been in doubt since the High Court’s July 2021 decision on women’s prisons, where the court expressly stated this. Whatever the Haldane decision, it will likely not be the last word on this issue. If the losing party appeals, no final decision is likely before the next election.
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It’s sometimes easy to forget that bringing this academic ideology into wider society, is resulting in rape and murder of women.
Sam Altman
@sama
for a long time i said that antisemitism, particularly on the american left, was not as bad as people claimed.
i'd like to just state that i was totally wrong.
i still don't understand it, really. or know what to do about it.
but it is so fucked.
https://x.com/sama/status/1732925866836210151?s=20
Also, I salute you for realising that when Sam Altman talked about left wing antisemitism, he was really talking about woke. Not a lot of people would have picked that up. Sam Altman, for example, never did.
There. That wasn't so hard, was it?
TBF to you Sam Altman hasn't worked it out either - "i still don't understand it, really" - but he will get there, too
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"In this The Economist/YouGov poll from December 2-5, 20% of young adults slightly (12%) or strongly (8%) agreed with the statement "the Holocaust is a myth".
That's one-fifth Holocaust deniers."
https://x.com/cremieuxrecueil/status/1732995380919271638?s=20
Another THIRTY percent of young people neither agree nor disagree that "the Holocaust is a myth"
Deborah Lipstadt, May 2000.
How is it possible we have ended up with 50% of young people either beliving the Holocaust is a myth, or not being sure??
It must be social media, and, within that, Tik Tok
We have enabled a Terrible Stupidity
They are so blinkered the party will be out of office for at least 10 yrs.
That's not to say they are holocaust deniers, Hamas supporters or not supportive of the Israeli state. Just that the pro-Palestine messaging is sophisticated and pervasive, focusing on child casualties.
If you see Jews as imperialist oppressors like white men then any idea they might have once been - overwhelmingly - victims of persecution, becomes harder to process logically. So: deny it or don’t think about it
Cognitive dissonance solved
But Sunak thinks nothing of spending a quarter of a billion pounds of public money on a fantasy scheme that now has the sole aim of saving his career.
I keep saying that the Tories have weaponised ignorance and stupidity. Ignorance is not an insult - we are all ignorant on a huge number of subjects we are aware of but have no idea how something works or why. That is why we go to see a doctor or a mechanic - because we are ignorant. Stupidity isn't new either - plenty of people are dumb. But most normal people knew the things they didn't know.
The new phenomena is "we've had enough of experts". Of my ignorant opinion somehow having equal (or higher) worth than expertise or facts. The right exploit this for votes - keep them ignorant and angry and they will vote for you.
Social media? A phenomenon. My bit of social media only does EVs and Tesla specifically. The number of times the same untruth is typed - or sometimes just pasted - is astonishing. The poster could find out the truth in 2 seconds. But does not. They know their truth and it has been cut up and fed to them to reinforce their ignorance.
No idea how we combat this. But the ignorance isn't "woke". Its been weaponised by the people who are against "woke".
I rewatched that presser yesterday. Sunak rightly points out that there is no point having a law which the Rwandans won't agree to. But the bill already crosses that line on page 1. He says that the "new treaty" makes things possible that were not before; Not so says the Rwandan minister who co-signed.
Sunak is trying to claim credit for fewer boats crossing. But he pledged - check the lectern - to Stop the Boats. Not reduce them. And he can't stop them. The audience he is pitching to don't care if the numbers have slowed - they want them to STOP. And then the foreigners to be sent away. Its impossible to satisfy them.
The problem with trusting “experts” is that they, too, are often stupid. A person can have immense technical knowledge, but combine it with appalling judgement and poor ethics (a common combination).
Experts have brought us the Great Financial Crash and one scandal after another. So is it any wonder that people stop trusting them?
The Scottish bill sweeps all of these safeguards away and effectively allows self certification. This means that there is a loophole created which predatory men can exploit. Of course most men who want to reassign their sex are harmless and decent people with a difficult enough life but the loophole exists and it has been shown that men will seek to go through it.
@Cyclefree is right to highlight the judgement by Lady Dorrian in the Inner House (effectively our Court of Appeal). This set out in clear terms what the law is in relation to those who hold a certificate. The safeguards in the 2004 Act in respect of the issuing of a certificate are therefore key.
Whether this clear and obvious error by the SNP/Green government justifies interference by the UK government is a subtly different and more complicated question of some constitutional interest. There are complicated cross boarder implications about the recognition of a Scottish certificate that might give them an interest but it may be that the answer to this would be to legislate in the rest of the UK that a Scottish certificate does not require to be recognised rather than stopping legislation by the Scottish Parliament. That question, rather than the implications for women, will be at the heart of Lady Haldane's judgment and any subsequent appeals.
Rishi Sunak was told by lawyers that his emergency Rwanda scheme will be “seriously impeded” from working because it “provides an easy way” for migrants to avoid deportation.
The prime minister insisted on Thursday that his new law aimed at reviving the policy was the only approach that would prevent further legal challenges scuppering flights. He said he was confident that flights would take off before the general election and pledged to “finish the job”.
However, The Times has been told that Downing Street was warned by two senior lawyers that the scheme risked failure because it would continue to allow migrants to lodge challenges against their individual removal to Rwanda. Legal advice from a senior government lawyer said “the scheme would be seriously impeded” if the bill did not include a so-called “ouster clause” that barred individual legal challenges.
Separate external legal counsel that was sought by the government warned that the failure to bar individual challenges “is inconsistent with the intellectual underpinning of the bill and also would provide an easy way for many applicants to avoid the effects of the bill”....
...The Safety of Rwanda Bill, presented to parliament on Thursday, will bar systematic challenges being brought against the policy by instructing immigration officers, courts and tribunals to treat Rwanda as a “conclusively safe country”. However, clause four of the bill is seen by critics of the legislation as a weakness because it says that people can make claims if there is “compelling evidence relating specifically to a person’s individual circumstances”.
A senior Conservative MP and lawyer said that this would leave the courts “inundated” with legal claims from migrants helped by immigration lawyers who would “come up with a whole range of innovative reasons why Rwanda is unsafe for a particular individual”.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/rwanda-bill-plan-rishi-sunak-asylum-seekers-2vmxm5vvx
I tend not to comment on this topic, because I am not Scottish or female or trans. But it has always struck me that eliding sex with gender is the root of all chaos here. Gender is fluid through time and location. What it means to be a man or a woman changes. However, sex although not completely binary mostly is.
Overall in most cases, I think if we were a bit clearer on what should be exclusive on the basis of sex and what should be exclusive on the basis of gender we may get some sense. For the most part I don’t see why there should be many gender-based exclusions - and I am sure many agree with that. However, clearly where there are risks - support groups for female survivors of rape and abuse - it makes sense to sex exclusion. Same with most sports (whether contact based or otherwise) - if you’ve been through a male puberty it is daft to put females against you.
However, in protecting females in prison and what not, we should not lose sight of trans victims of violence and rape. I read an article in the LRB that suggested that trans women in male prisons can also be victims of horrific levels of violence and rape. Apparently the same to can be said in society in genreral.
So like most issues it’s complicated and there is an element of risk to manage to protect folk. Of course that doesn’t help for arguments on the internets.
The federal prosecutor who won a conviction against Sam Bankman-Fried is overseeing a Justice Department investigation into sports buyer 777 Partners, whose entanglement with U.S. investors has raised questions about its already murky finances.
Nicolas Roos is part of a DOJ team probing whether 777 violated U.S. money-laundering laws, among other infractions, in its quick rise from an unknown investor in lump-sum legal settlements to an owner of sports teams around the world, people familiar with the matter said.
The Southern District of New York, where major financial-fraud cases tend to land, is discussing a joint investigation with law enforcement in Miami, where 777 is based, some of the people said. SDNY declined to comment. A spokeswoman for Florida prosecutors didn’t return a request for comment.
https://www.semafor.com/article/11/30/2023/feds-probe-sports-investor-777-over-money-flows
and
777 Partners could cut off Everton support if takeover drags on
Prospective buyers have indicated they are not prepared to continue supporting club with £100m-plus loans unless deal to buy is completed within next seven weeks
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/777-partners-could-walk-away-from-everton-deal-if-delays-continue-pbgvw9v0m
At least give Sunak credit for facilitating inclement weather to prevent as many crossings as last year.
I fear the next general election is going for brutal for politicians on Twitter.
The Tories were community noted to oblivion after the Autumn Statement.
My boy Dave was right about Twitter.
It will take you about 3 years, is my highly educated guess
People much brighter than you - eg Sam Altman of openAI (see below) - are nearly there already; people much stupider than you - sadly, an awful lot of people - will likely NEVER get there. Which is quite chilling
How much do they view it as a genuine plan to eliminate irregular migration? How much is it a calculated political game, where the fight is the point? How much do they think it's madness, but they are so afraid of Team Suella that they dare not call it out?
Inside the world of football’s high-power, high-price lawyers: ‘I’ve got a KC, who have you got?’
https://theathletic.com/5116611/2023/12/08/football-lawyers-manchester-city-everton/
Lord Grabiner KC is up there with Klopp for the reason why Liverpool have been so awesome in the last decade.
As an "have you read it" practitioner I make Good Money from reading such documents and pulling out details that others have missed. So bravo Starmer.
Then we turn back to the Tories and their PB shills. "We have a plan, what is Labour's plan." They do not have a plan. What they claim to be a plan is unworkable. Laughable. Have they read their "plan". Have they *understood* it? This is crayon politics , sketched by idiots to placate morons.
Many of them, sadly, were Leavers. "The easiest deal in history". "We hold all the cards"
I'm a Leaver, but I knew this was fatuous drivel. Leaving was bound to be seriously painful (it's one main reason I nearly voted Remain). The EU was in a much more powerful position, it was highly motivated to make Brexit painful (pour decourager les autres), Article 50 was designed to be damaging for anyone foolish enough to quit
It was quite sobering, watching these supposedly intelligent people trot out infantile nonsense
Remainers did it too, of course, but their worst stupidities came after the result - eg trying to annull the referendum
And what resulting savings from cutting the numbers effectively detained in asylum hotels etc ?
That is a policy which might more than fund itself - especially if you factor in the economic activity of those whose claims are then accepted, who are currently existing in state funded, and state enforced idleness.
Or alternatively, you are dumb, and wrong? But you are too dumb to realise that you are wrong? And you are so wrong that you need false appeals to authority to convince yourself you are right?
I'm right
On the non-recognition of Scottish certificates, I am unsure as to how this could be done in practice. Under the Gender Recognition Order statement - also debated this week - GRCs from other countries are only recognised here if they meet the same requirements as we have. Would Scotland be defined as a foreign country under this Order?
Scotland's GRR Bill allows anyone born in Scotland to get a GRC regardless of where they live. So a Scottish born man living in London could get one then insist on accessing a woman only service. Someone like Andrew Miller, the trans butcher, recently convicted for the horrific assault of a young girl, could get one, and move to England. It is impractical and will likely increase the risk to women and the vulnerable not mitigate it.
At some point Starmer or Farage is going to point out the Tories are focussed on a few thousand illegal migrants and not on the 1.5 million legal migration.
I wonder why you never spammed PB about that particular brand of antisemitism.
All I need to do is buy the Speccie and other similar publications, digest the works of Mr Thomas and others, and this obvious pivotal thing will eventually become clear.
And in one post, we see clearly the effect of the cold light of day on a thought from the previous, slightly fuddled, night.
Late boomers have set the agenda for so long that the idea that they might not be the dominant voice in the room is genuinely traumatic. That's even before we get on to the faint but growing whiff of death.
So the younger get has to be thought of as so dim that it's just not possible to hand over to them. Sorry, it's for your own good...
Every generation in their late fifties and sixties has always acted that way.
(And if we want to talk toxic, weaponised stupidity that gets given an intellectual veneer, consider the guff published in Britain's Top Current Affairs Magazine. Sorry, that's just there to provoke debate. My bad...)
This government is too woke apparently according to some but also, extreme left anti-semitism is woke.
Presumably by deduction this government is a government of extreme left anti-semitism, which may come as a surprise to Sunak and co.
I WAS trolling @Cicero which is probably bad and juvenile, but his earnest exhortations from Estonia do start to chafe, just a little
Is that honestly beyond your reasoning capacity?
If it is then I despair. Because you are not the stupidest on here
“Concern about antisemitism in the U.S. has grown following recent rises in deadly assaults, vandalism, and harassment. Public accounts of antisemitism have focused on both the ideological right and left, suggesting a “horseshoe theory” in which the far left and the far right hold a common set of anti-Jewish prejudicial attitudes that distinguish them from the ideological center. However, there is little quantitative research evaluating left-wing versus right-wing antisemitism. We conduct several experiments on an original survey of 3500 U.S. adults, including an oversample of young adults. We oversampled young adults because unlike other forms of prejudice that are more common among older people, antisemitism is theorized to be more common among younger people. Contrary to the expectation of horseshoe theory, the data show the epicenter of antisemitic attitudes is young adults on the far right.”
Ditto for other female only spaces. If men are violent to trans identified men - let men solve this. This is not women's problem. There is nothing complicated about this. It is only made so by the almost automatic suggestion that women should somehow sort out or share or bear the risk of male violence which is fundamentally misogynistic.
Women deserve better than 'not been raped, assaulted or murdered'. There's simple respite, privacy, comfort, mental and bodily dignity and religious observance to name but a few. Women should be able to set their own boundaries and society should respect women enough to honour those.
Of course this is one of a number of examples of the extreme left and right curving round the political horseshoe to meet in hell.
Most of us on here, whether left or right-leaning can see this and have no truck with those extremes. That Leon does not is, I think, telling.
Something to unite the woke and non-woke.
Unlikely to happen though.
Hint: this is in Oakland, California
“American cafe staff refuse to let a Jewish woman use their restroom.
Inside, they have “decorated” it with texts saying:
“Neutrality helps genocide in Gaza”
Recognize these faces of Hate and Antisemitism ?”
https://x.com/colorapril/status/1732871722318148081?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw
Kate Cox, 31, at 20 weeks pregnant, has learned her fetus has a lethal abnormality that is almost always fatal at birth.
https://www.texastribune.org/2023/12/07/texas-emergency-abortion-lawsuit/
For the first time in at least 50 years, a judge has intervened to allow an adult woman to terminate her pregnancy.
When Travis County District Judge Maya Guerra Gamble handed down the temporary restraining order Thursday, Kate Cox, 31, of Dallas burst into tears. Cox and her husband desperately wanted to have this baby, but her doctors said continuing the nonviable pregnancy posed a risk to her health and future fertility, according to a historic lawsuit filed Tuesday.
“The idea that Ms. Cox wants desperately to be a parent, and this law might actually cause her to lose that ability is shocking and would be a genuine miscarriage of justice,” Gamble said.
Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton responded Thursday afternoon in a letter addressed to three hospitals — Houston Methodist Hospital, The Women's Hospital of Texas in Houston, and Texans Children's Hospital in Houston — saying the temporary order would "not insulate hospitals, doctors, or anyone else, from civil and criminal liability for violating Texas’ abortion laws."..
The highlighted bit above is an example of the workings of the right wing blob, whose language Leon has adopted.
Donald Trump however: the people who chanted 'Jews will not replace us' are "very fine people"
I never said otherwise. But it is far more salient and manifest on the left, and that is where the danger emanates
Do you think the presidents and professors at Harvard, MIT and Penn Uni are generally Republican voters?
If 'woke' means anything - which it probably doesn't now idiots like you have adopted it as a term of right wing abuse - it means being alive to the reality of groups other than your own.
That, of course, includes Jewish people.
What you are critiquing isn't woke at all.
Cicero posts are infrequent, perhaps infrequent enough to warrant serious consideration. As opposed, perhaps, to yours, and maybe mine, which are perhaps too common to always be taken seriously.
Older people are the defining part of the electorate and they want good health and social care and lower immigration at the same time.
The government calculate that not fixing the former carries the greater electoral penalty and there is no other way to do it quickly other than high immigration.
But FFS for once couldn't you just pretend to pay attention - even for a moment - to one of my headers. Just once. Just like we pretend to pay attention to the photos of your glasses of wine as you chew on dogs in some ghastly beige hotel somewhere and whine about the "W" word .....
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-67613441.amp
Over the months you have changed my perspective on this issue and think it's one of the very few things I think the government have got right.
The weird thing is that I generally lark about on here, or seek out arguments for the sake of it - ergo, much of what I say is chaff. But I am deadly earnest about Wokeness. I believe it is a mortal threat to the west and the enlightenment
I don’t like being the lone voice on this. It can get lonely. It would be SO much easier for me to ignore the issue or go along with everyone else and laugh it off, or whatever
But I can’t. Something wicked this way comes. it is what I honestly believe and I’ve thought about it a lot - it is some modest relief that people in America are finally becoming aware of it - through this revelation of anti Semitism pervading academe and elsewhere
If you don’t like my comments about wokeness scroll past. But I won’t shut up about it because I deeply believe it is a terrible danger
(Besides, the only way to have more British people doing care work is to have fewer people doing other jobs. The idea that there is a massive pool of people who should be doing this work but are currently wasting away is for the birds. Maybe we should redeploy travel journalists. We can do without them.)
Further I made the point that there should explicitly be sex-based exclusions. In general female prisons would, in broad terms, be an appropriate place for applying such exclusions. But, I am not convinced a women’s choir should always be able to ban trans people from joining it.
On prison, what I really think is that if the state is going to lock folk up it has to minimise the risk of violence against them because of their specific characteristics (or indeed the risks of them committing violence). How you solve that in an environment with no money and a base level of extreme violence, I do not know. But the answer won’t be simple.
https://x.com/sfmcguire79/status/1732894058186420438?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw
I didn't say they had brought in an absolute ban.
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/why-the-dying-deserve-illegal-drugs/
That, like a lot of things, seems to be beyond the wit of the British state.
Indeed with cost of living and still relatively high inflation and interest rates most western governments still trail in polls at the moment
“Public opinion is also deeply split on how to bring the war to an end, with 44 per cent of Ukrainians believing compromise is needed, vs 48 per cent who wish to continue fighting for victory.”
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-ukrainian-war-can-only-end-in-a-peace-deal/
Rather it's deeper and goes back to Lenin and Marx. It is that oppressed versus oppressor distinction and the notion that not loudly and aggressively siding with the former, your are complicit in the crimes of the latter.
It's a way of thinking that is disastrously reductive and simplistic - and of course quite often leads to antisemitism if you place Israel as irredeemably in the latter category and the likes of Hamas and its ideological brethren in the former and then attack Jews for understandably not sharing that classification. Even if they are very critical of Israel's actions. And of course it led to antisemitism long before Israel's existence when antisemitic stereotypes also placed Jews in said 'oppressor class'. (See J.A. Hobson).
'Wokeness' is more of a fad ideological offshoot that nonetheless shares the same problems the far left has always had by using the same flawed concepts. It's just because it's faddish and has fashionable less dry additions, it's caught on beyond the usual circles, meaning it's much more visible.