Netanyahu says war will continue after hostages released
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has said that Israel will continue its war against Hamas "until we achieve all our goals".
In a video statement recorded before the cabinet met to discuss a possible hostage deal, he said "nonsense" was being spoken to the effect that the war would be stopped once the hostages were released.
Netanyahu described the hostages' return as a "sacred and top goal".
"In war there are phases and in returning the hostages there are phases but we will not stop until we have total victory, until we return all of them," he said. "That’s the holy duty of all of us."
The elimination of Hamas was also a goal, he said, "and that there won't be anything in Gaza that threatens Israel again".
Test:
Well let’s assume for a moment that you can believe a single word Hamas says. What is it going to take to stop them from going on a murderous rampage again? That is the question.
I think this was a one off and I don’t think the IDF will be quite so unprepared again . As for the casualties their figure is generally regarded as close to reality . Looking at the devastation it’s hard to think it’s that far off . Absolutely tragic news again that doctors are being killed, those who stayed behind to treat the injured are heroes . Too many innocent people have died .
Hard to disagree with you last sentiments.
Hamas are the cause of all this.
The trigger maybe, but don't deny the IDF agency.
I don’t, but you have to ask what else can they do? I do not believe IDF is deliberately killing Gazans. In contrast to terrorists who murdered for fun then took battered bodies back as trophies.
If you are correct I think they've now had their pound of flesh and it's time to move on. Killing Gazans by the lorry load because they can will achieve nothing except pile odium on them throughout the world.
So you didn’t look at the photos of the command centre they broke into today?
Netanyahu says war will continue after hostages released
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has said that Israel will continue its war against Hamas "until we achieve all our goals".
In a video statement recorded before the cabinet met to discuss a possible hostage deal, he said "nonsense" was being spoken to the effect that the war would be stopped once the hostages were released.
Netanyahu described the hostages' return as a "sacred and top goal".
"In war there are phases and in returning the hostages there are phases but we will not stop until we have total victory, until we return all of them," he said. "That’s the holy duty of all of us."
The elimination of Hamas was also a goal, he said, "and that there won't be anything in Gaza that threatens Israel again".
Test:
You continue to equate the murder of innocent men, women and children with unfortunate innocent casualties of war.
You are despicable
Excel's telling me that 91% of the victims of this war are Gazans.
It is not a war it is a slaughter.
Typically, under such circumstances, the side that's losing surrenders. You don't seem very keen on that, for some reason.
Far too simplistic for this confilct.
Hamas is losing but Gaza is suffering. Hamas ≠ Gaza and the ordinary Gazans who are being killed in such numbers have no ability to 'surrender'
Netanyahu says war will continue after hostages released
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has said that Israel will continue its war against Hamas "until we achieve all our goals".
In a video statement recorded before the cabinet met to discuss a possible hostage deal, he said "nonsense" was being spoken to the effect that the war would be stopped once the hostages were released.
Netanyahu described the hostages' return as a "sacred and top goal".
"In war there are phases and in returning the hostages there are phases but we will not stop until we have total victory, until we return all of them," he said. "That’s the holy duty of all of us."
The elimination of Hamas was also a goal, he said, "and that there won't be anything in Gaza that threatens Israel again".
Test:
You continue to equate the murder of innocent men, women and children with unfortunate innocent casualties of war.
You are despicable
Excel's telling me that 91% of the victims of this war are Gazans.
Which is the same point you have repeated day after day.
Netanyahu says war will continue after hostages released
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has said that Israel will continue its war against Hamas "until we achieve all our goals".
In a video statement recorded before the cabinet met to discuss a possible hostage deal, he said "nonsense" was being spoken to the effect that the war would be stopped once the hostages were released.
Netanyahu described the hostages' return as a "sacred and top goal".
"In war there are phases and in returning the hostages there are phases but we will not stop until we have total victory, until we return all of them," he said. "That’s the holy duty of all of us."
The elimination of Hamas was also a goal, he said, "and that there won't be anything in Gaza that threatens Israel again".
Test:
Well let’s assume for a moment that you can believe a single word Hamas says. What is it going to take to stop them from going on a murderous rampage again? That is the question.
I think this was a one off and I don’t think the IDF will be quite so unprepared again . As for the casualties their figure is generally regarded as close to reality . Looking at the devastation it’s hard to think it’s that far off . Absolutely tragic news again that doctors are being killed, those who stayed behind to treat the injured are heroes . Too many innocent people have died .
Hard to disagree with you last sentiments.
Hamas are the cause of all this.
The trigger maybe, but don't deny the IDF agency.
I don’t, but you have to ask what else can they do? I do not believe IDF is deliberately killing Gazans. In contrast to terrorists who murdered for fun then took battered bodies back as trophies.
If you are correct I think they've now had their pound of flesh and it's time to move on. Killing Gazans by the lorry load because they can will achieve nothing except pile odium on them throughout the world.
So you didn’t look at the photos of the command centre they broke into today?
Netanyahu says war will continue after hostages released
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has said that Israel will continue its war against Hamas "until we achieve all our goals".
In a video statement recorded before the cabinet met to discuss a possible hostage deal, he said "nonsense" was being spoken to the effect that the war would be stopped once the hostages were released.
Netanyahu described the hostages' return as a "sacred and top goal".
"In war there are phases and in returning the hostages there are phases but we will not stop until we have total victory, until we return all of them," he said. "That’s the holy duty of all of us."
The elimination of Hamas was also a goal, he said, "and that there won't be anything in Gaza that threatens Israel again".
Test:
Well let’s assume for a moment that you can believe a single word Hamas says. What is it going to take to stop them from going on a murderous rampage again? That is the question.
I think this was a one off and I don’t think the IDF will be quite so unprepared again . As for the casualties their figure is generally regarded as close to reality . Looking at the devastation it’s hard to think it’s that far off . Absolutely tragic news again that doctors are being killed, those who stayed behind to treat the injured are heroes . Too many innocent people have died .
Hard to disagree with you last sentiments.
Hamas are the cause of all this.
The trigger maybe, but don't deny the IDF agency.
I don’t, but you have to ask what else can they do? I do not believe IDF is deliberately killing Gazans. In contrast to terrorists who murdered for fun then took battered bodies back as trophies.
If you are correct I think they've now had their pound of flesh and it's time to move on. Killing Gazans by the lorry load because they can will achieve nothing except pile odium on them throughout the world.
So you didn’t look at the photos of the command centre they broke into today?
Netanyahu says war will continue after hostages released
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has said that Israel will continue its war against Hamas "until we achieve all our goals".
In a video statement recorded before the cabinet met to discuss a possible hostage deal, he said "nonsense" was being spoken to the effect that the war would be stopped once the hostages were released.
Netanyahu described the hostages' return as a "sacred and top goal".
"In war there are phases and in returning the hostages there are phases but we will not stop until we have total victory, until we return all of them," he said. "That’s the holy duty of all of us."
The elimination of Hamas was also a goal, he said, "and that there won't be anything in Gaza that threatens Israel again".
Test:
You continue to equate the murder of innocent men, women and children with unfortunate innocent casualties of war.
You are despicable
Excel's telling me that 91% of the victims of this war are Gazans.
It is not a war it is a slaughter.
Typically, under such circumstances, the side that's losing surrenders. You don't seem very keen on that, for some reason.
Hamas are a death cult, they don't give a f*** either way. Not for. Israelis, not for Gazans.
I don't know who wrote that post for you, but tell them from me, they are not the sharpest tool in the box.
Net migration going to come in around 700,000 people apparently. Now I know we do need immigration as a TFR < 2.2 & aging society but it seems a huge number.
Migration is the only thing delivering anaemic growth. Without it, the UK would be in recession already.
If immigration is delivering growth - but GDP *per head* isn't rising... Then you'd have a situation where people think the economy is in recession, personally, but the headline would say....
Yes.
Weirdly, overall population is only rising by about 200,000 a year. We know that deaths don't exceed births, so the only other explanation is that emigration is heavily undercounted.
Netanyahu says war will continue after hostages released
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has said that Israel will continue its war against Hamas "until we achieve all our goals".
In a video statement recorded before the cabinet met to discuss a possible hostage deal, he said "nonsense" was being spoken to the effect that the war would be stopped once the hostages were released.
Netanyahu described the hostages' return as a "sacred and top goal".
"In war there are phases and in returning the hostages there are phases but we will not stop until we have total victory, until we return all of them," he said. "That’s the holy duty of all of us."
The elimination of Hamas was also a goal, he said, "and that there won't be anything in Gaza that threatens Israel again".
Test:
Well let’s assume for a moment that you can believe a single word Hamas says. What is it going to take to stop them from going on a murderous rampage again? That is the question.
I think this was a one off and I don’t think the IDF will be quite so unprepared again . As for the casualties their figure is generally regarded as close to reality . Looking at the devastation it’s hard to think it’s that far off . Absolutely tragic news again that doctors are being killed, those who stayed behind to treat the injured are heroes . Too many innocent people have died .
Hard to disagree with you last sentiments.
Hamas are the cause of all this.
The trigger maybe, but don't deny the IDF agency.
I don’t, but you have to ask what else can they do? I do not believe IDF is deliberately killing Gazans. In contrast to terrorists who murdered for fun then took battered bodies back as trophies.
If you are correct I think they've now had their pound of flesh and it's time to move on. Killing Gazans by the lorry load because they can will achieve nothing except pile odium on them throughout the world.
So you didn’t look at the photos of the command centre they broke into today?
Doesn't look like the Red Wall liked the reshuffle.
Oh, Red Wall! For a split second, I thought it was a "proper" poll! Still, 50% Labour, eh?
The Red Wall seats voted Con 47, Lab 38, Rfm/Brexit 7, LD 4 according to the RW graphic compared to Con 44.7, :Lab 33.0, Rfm/Brexit 2.1%, LD 11.8% for GB as a whole.
So it equates roughly to a Lab 45, Con 24 full poll.
And to think that Sundance The Comeback Kid got Goodwinned good and proper by a whopping 27pts only last week. Now down to a mere notional 21pts only a few days later. THE BIG MO 👏
Netanyahu says war will continue after hostages released
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has said that Israel will continue its war against Hamas "until we achieve all our goals".
In a video statement recorded before the cabinet met to discuss a possible hostage deal, he said "nonsense" was being spoken to the effect that the war would be stopped once the hostages were released.
Netanyahu described the hostages' return as a "sacred and top goal".
"In war there are phases and in returning the hostages there are phases but we will not stop until we have total victory, until we return all of them," he said. "That’s the holy duty of all of us."
The elimination of Hamas was also a goal, he said, "and that there won't be anything in Gaza that threatens Israel again".
Test:
Well let’s assume for a moment that you can believe a single word Hamas says. What is it going to take to stop them from going on a murderous rampage again? That is the question.
I think this was a one off and I don’t think the IDF will be quite so unprepared again . As for the casualties their figure is generally regarded as close to reality . Looking at the devastation it’s hard to think it’s that far off . Absolutely tragic news again that doctors are being killed, those who stayed behind to treat the injured are heroes . Too many innocent people have died .
Hard to disagree with you last sentiments.
Hamas are the cause of all this.
The trigger maybe, but don't deny the IDF agency.
I don’t, but you have to ask what else can they do? I do not believe IDF is deliberately killing Gazans. In contrast to terrorists who murdered for fun then took battered bodies back as trophies.
If you are correct I think they've now had their pound of flesh and it's time to move on. Killing Gazans by the lorry load because they can will achieve nothing except pile odium on them throughout the world.
A very unfortunate but telling phrase to use there.
Netanyahu says war will continue after hostages released
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has said that Israel will continue its war against Hamas "until we achieve all our goals".
In a video statement recorded before the cabinet met to discuss a possible hostage deal, he said "nonsense" was being spoken to the effect that the war would be stopped once the hostages were released.
Netanyahu described the hostages' return as a "sacred and top goal".
"In war there are phases and in returning the hostages there are phases but we will not stop until we have total victory, until we return all of them," he said. "That’s the holy duty of all of us."
The elimination of Hamas was also a goal, he said, "and that there won't be anything in Gaza that threatens Israel again".
Test:
You continue to equate the murder of innocent men, women and children with unfortunate innocent casualties of war.
You are despicable
I'm not sure those killed or their relatives would recognise your subtle distinction
Other people's lives seems cheap to a certain type of right wing ideologue, hence Johnson's "let the bodies pile high" and Sunak's similar statement quoted by Vallance yesterday.
Likewise some of the generally rightward leaning armchair Generals on here, suggesting that collateral casualties (irrespective of number) are an acceptable feature of conflict, and justifying it by a "well their boys did it to our team on October 7th". It is the heartless language of Hamas. Aren't we, purporting to be from a civilized nation, better than that? I don't know, pick a side.
I think that, in general, politicians do develop such indifference, and I think it's a part of the territory. People die, directly or indirectly, due to all manner of policy changes.
Jug ears can't help himself...funny how he lost access to his twitter account for a few days around 7th October.
Gary Lineker has endorsed a video by journalist Owen Jones in which an academic accuses Israel of “genocide” and dismisses comparisons between Hamas and the Nazis.
The Match of the Day presenter shared a tweet by Mr Jones, a columnist with the Guardian, of his interview with Raz Segal, an Israeli-American historian, and he added the caption: “Worth 13 minutes of anyone’s time.”
What's the controversy here? That the historian is dangerous and wrong and Jones shouldn't be giving him a platform, or that Jug Ears should just butt out?
The more interesting point is that the arguments Raz Segal puts forward for why what Israel is doing in Gaza is genocide (and, yes, I have read what he's written) apply equally to what Hamas has done and intends doing. So if, Owen Jones (and others) accepts Segal's arguments then he has to say that both Israel and Hamas are committing genocide.Or neither of them are. But that is not his position. Jones is of course too stupid to understand what he so readily accepts because it accords with his preconceived opinion.
I don't think either side are committing genocide. To make such claims reduces the concept to a meaningless trigger word. I do believe there are influential elements on both sides who would be happy with committing genocide if they thought they could get away with it but that is not what is happening at the moment.
Netanyahu says war will continue after hostages released
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has said that Israel will continue its war against Hamas "until we achieve all our goals".
In a video statement recorded before the cabinet met to discuss a possible hostage deal, he said "nonsense" was being spoken to the effect that the war would be stopped once the hostages were released.
Netanyahu described the hostages' return as a "sacred and top goal".
"In war there are phases and in returning the hostages there are phases but we will not stop until we have total victory, until we return all of them," he said. "That’s the holy duty of all of us."
The elimination of Hamas was also a goal, he said, "and that there won't be anything in Gaza that threatens Israel again".
Test:
You continue to equate the murder of innocent men, women and children with unfortunate innocent casualties of war.
You are despicable
Excel's telling me that 91% of the victims of this war are Gazans.
It is not a war it is a slaughter.
Typically, under such circumstances, the side that's losing surrenders. You don't seem very keen on that, for some reason.
Far too simplistic for this confilct.
Hamas is losing but Gaza is suffering. Hamas ≠ Gaza and the ordinary Gazans who are being killed in such numbers have no ability to 'surrender'
It's just as easy for a semi-anonymous poster on an internet forum to call for a surrender as it is for a ceasefire.
Netanyahu says war will continue after hostages released
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has said that Israel will continue its war against Hamas "until we achieve all our goals".
In a video statement recorded before the cabinet met to discuss a possible hostage deal, he said "nonsense" was being spoken to the effect that the war would be stopped once the hostages were released.
Netanyahu described the hostages' return as a "sacred and top goal".
"In war there are phases and in returning the hostages there are phases but we will not stop until we have total victory, until we return all of them," he said. "That’s the holy duty of all of us."
The elimination of Hamas was also a goal, he said, "and that there won't be anything in Gaza that threatens Israel again".
Test:
Well let’s assume for a moment that you can believe a single word Hamas says. What is it going to take to stop them from going on a murderous rampage again? That is the question.
I think this was a one off and I don’t think the IDF will be quite so unprepared again . As for the casualties their figure is generally regarded as close to reality . Looking at the devastation it’s hard to think it’s that far off . Absolutely tragic news again that doctors are being killed, those who stayed behind to treat the injured are heroes . Too many innocent people have died .
Hard to disagree with you last sentiments.
Hamas are the cause of all this.
The trigger maybe, but don't deny the IDF agency.
I don’t, but you have to ask what else can they do? I do not believe IDF is deliberately killing Gazans. In contrast to terrorists who murdered for fun then took battered bodies back as trophies.
If you are correct I think they've now had their pound of flesh and it's time to move on. Killing Gazans by the lorry load because they can will achieve nothing except pile odium on them throughout the world.
So you didn’t look at the photos of the command centre they broke into today?
No I didn't. Could you post a link
Until the claims are unequivocally verified, colour me skeptical. Hamas may well have a network of tunnels under hospitals, but when the bearer of these tidings is Team Netanyahu, I remain unconvinced without third party confirmation.
I listen most days to BBC WATO whilst having lunch in my car, and everyday Mark Regev gives an informed account of developments. Forgive me, but I wouldn't believe him if he told me "good morning".
Netanyahu says war will continue after hostages released
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has said that Israel will continue its war against Hamas "until we achieve all our goals".
In a video statement recorded before the cabinet met to discuss a possible hostage deal, he said "nonsense" was being spoken to the effect that the war would be stopped once the hostages were released.
Netanyahu described the hostages' return as a "sacred and top goal".
"In war there are phases and in returning the hostages there are phases but we will not stop until we have total victory, until we return all of them," he said. "That’s the holy duty of all of us."
The elimination of Hamas was also a goal, he said, "and that there won't be anything in Gaza that threatens Israel again".
Test:
You continue to equate the murder of innocent men, women and children with unfortunate innocent casualties of war.
You are despicable
I'm not sure those killed or their relatives would recognise your subtle distinction
Other people's lives seems cheap to a certain type of right wing ideologue, hence Johnson's "let the bodies pile high" and Sunak's similar statement quoted by Vallance yesterday.
Likewise some of the generally rightward leaning armchair Generals on here, suggesting that collateral casualties (irrespective of number) are an acceptable feature of conflict, and justifying it by a "well their boys did it to our team on October 7th". It is the heartless language of Hamas. Aren't we, purporting to be from a civilized nation, better than that? I don't know, pick a side.
The PB Toy Soldiers are the worst thing about this site. They have shifted their toy soldiering from Ukraine to Israel, but the Armchair Generals, as you put it, are largely the same people.
Netanyahu says war will continue after hostages released
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has said that Israel will continue its war against Hamas "until we achieve all our goals".
In a video statement recorded before the cabinet met to discuss a possible hostage deal, he said "nonsense" was being spoken to the effect that the war would be stopped once the hostages were released.
Netanyahu described the hostages' return as a "sacred and top goal".
"In war there are phases and in returning the hostages there are phases but we will not stop until we have total victory, until we return all of them," he said. "That’s the holy duty of all of us."
The elimination of Hamas was also a goal, he said, "and that there won't be anything in Gaza that threatens Israel again".
Test:
Well let’s assume for a moment that you can believe a single word Hamas says. What is it going to take to stop them from going on a murderous rampage again? That is the question.
I think this was a one off and I don’t think the IDF will be quite so unprepared again . As for the casualties their figure is generally regarded as close to reality . Looking at the devastation it’s hard to think it’s that far off . Absolutely tragic news again that doctors are being killed, those who stayed behind to treat the injured are heroes . Too many innocent people have died .
Hard to disagree with you last sentiments.
Hamas are the cause of all this.
The trigger maybe, but don't deny the IDF agency.
I don’t, but you have to ask what else can they do? I do not believe IDF is deliberately killing Gazans. In contrast to terrorists who murdered for fun then took battered bodies back as trophies.
If you are correct I think they've now had their pound of flesh and it's time to move on. Killing Gazans by the lorry load because they can will achieve nothing except pile odium on them throughout the world.
So you didn’t look at the photos of the command centre they broke into today?
“We need to demolish the underground facility that we found,” said IDF spokesperson Rear Admiral Daniel Hagari. “I think the leadership of Hamas is in great pressure because we found this facility, and we are now going to demolish it. It’s going to take us time. We’re going to do it safely, but we’re going to do it.”
It is arguably the most compelling evidence thus far that the IDF has offered that there may be a network of tunnels below the hospital. It does not establish without a doubt that there is a command center under Gaza’s largest hospital, but it is clear that there is a tunnel down below. Seeing what connects to that tunnel is absolutely critical.
Netanyahu says war will continue after hostages released
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has said that Israel will continue its war against Hamas "until we achieve all our goals".
In a video statement recorded before the cabinet met to discuss a possible hostage deal, he said "nonsense" was being spoken to the effect that the war would be stopped once the hostages were released.
Netanyahu described the hostages' return as a "sacred and top goal".
"In war there are phases and in returning the hostages there are phases but we will not stop until we have total victory, until we return all of them," he said. "That’s the holy duty of all of us."
The elimination of Hamas was also a goal, he said, "and that there won't be anything in Gaza that threatens Israel again".
Test:
You continue to equate the murder of innocent men, women and children with unfortunate innocent casualties of war.
You are despicable
I'm not sure those killed or their relatives would recognise your subtle distinction
Other people's lives seems cheap to a certain type of right wing ideologue, hence Johnson's "let the bodies pile high" and Sunak's similar statement quoted by Vallance yesterday.
Likewise some of the generally rightward leaning armchair Generals on here, suggesting that collateral casualties (irrespective of number) are an acceptable feature of conflict, and justifying it by a "well their boys did it to our team on October 7th". It is the heartless language of Hamas. Aren't we, purporting to be from a civilized nation, better than that? I don't know, pick a side.
The PB Toy Soldiers are the worst thing about this site. They have shifted their toy soldiering from Ukraine to Israel, but the Armchair Generals, as you put it, are largely the same people.
You may be including me in the armchair general scorn. I don’t think I am. I’d like nothing more for not one more person to die in Gaza. I just think that the easiest way that happens is Hamas releasing ALL the hostages and surrendering. Terrorism ought not prosper. Israel is not innocent. The West Bank is a huge issue. But ultimately Israel is surrounded by people who want to wipe it from the face of the earth, and that makes them rather more liable to extreme measures. We would too if France and Ireland wanted to eradicate the U.K. from the face of the Earth, and in living memory had waged war to try to achieve that aim.
Netanyahu says war will continue after hostages released
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has said that Israel will continue its war against Hamas "until we achieve all our goals".
In a video statement recorded before the cabinet met to discuss a possible hostage deal, he said "nonsense" was being spoken to the effect that the war would be stopped once the hostages were released.
Netanyahu described the hostages' return as a "sacred and top goal".
"In war there are phases and in returning the hostages there are phases but we will not stop until we have total victory, until we return all of them," he said. "That’s the holy duty of all of us."
The elimination of Hamas was also a goal, he said, "and that there won't be anything in Gaza that threatens Israel again".
Test:
You continue to equate the murder of innocent men, women and children with unfortunate innocent casualties of war.
You are despicable
I'm not sure those killed or their relatives would recognise your subtle distinction
Other people's lives seems cheap to a certain type of right wing ideologue, hence Johnson's "let the bodies pile high" and Sunak's similar statement quoted by Vallance yesterday.
Likewise some of the generally rightward leaning armchair Generals on here, suggesting that collateral casualties (irrespective of number) are an acceptable feature of conflict, and justifying it by a "well their boys did it to our team on October 7th". It is the heartless language of Hamas. Aren't we, purporting to be from a civilized nation, better than that? I don't know, pick a side.
The PB Toy Soldiers are the worst thing about this site. They have shifted their toy soldiering from Ukraine to Israel, but the Armchair Generals, as you put it, are largely the same people.
I agree. totally disgusting. After a couple of posts the other day i couldn't visit this site again. Some of the posters here make me feel physically sick.
Netanyahu says war will continue after hostages released
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has said that Israel will continue its war against Hamas "until we achieve all our goals".
In a video statement recorded before the cabinet met to discuss a possible hostage deal, he said "nonsense" was being spoken to the effect that the war would be stopped once the hostages were released.
Netanyahu described the hostages' return as a "sacred and top goal".
"In war there are phases and in returning the hostages there are phases but we will not stop until we have total victory, until we return all of them," he said. "That’s the holy duty of all of us."
The elimination of Hamas was also a goal, he said, "and that there won't be anything in Gaza that threatens Israel again".
Test:
Well let’s assume for a moment that you can believe a single word Hamas says. What is it going to take to stop them from going on a murderous rampage again? That is the question.
I think this was a one off and I don’t think the IDF will be quite so unprepared again . As for the casualties their figure is generally regarded as close to reality . Looking at the devastation it’s hard to think it’s that far off . Absolutely tragic news again that doctors are being killed, those who stayed behind to treat the injured are heroes . Too many innocent people have died .
Hard to disagree with you last sentiments.
Hamas are the cause of all this.
The trigger maybe, but don't deny the IDF agency.
I don’t, but you have to ask what else can they do? I do not believe IDF is deliberately killing Gazans. In contrast to terrorists who murdered for fun then took battered bodies back as trophies.
If you are correct I think they've now had their pound of flesh and it's time to move on. Killing Gazans by the lorry load because they can will achieve nothing except pile odium on them throughout the world.
So you didn’t look at the photos of the command centre they broke into today?
Net migration going to come in around 700,000 people apparently. Now I know we do need immigration as a TFR < 2.2 & aging society but it seems a huge number.
Migration is the only thing delivering anaemic growth. Without it, the UK would be in recession already.
If immigration is delivering growth - but GDP *per head* isn't rising... Then you'd have a situation where people think the economy is in recession, personally, but the headline would say....
Yes.
Weirdly, overall population is only rising by about 200,000 a year. We know that deaths don't exceed births, so the only other explanation is that emigration is heavily undercounted.
Netanyahu says war will continue after hostages released
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has said that Israel will continue its war against Hamas "until we achieve all our goals".
In a video statement recorded before the cabinet met to discuss a possible hostage deal, he said "nonsense" was being spoken to the effect that the war would be stopped once the hostages were released.
Netanyahu described the hostages' return as a "sacred and top goal".
"In war there are phases and in returning the hostages there are phases but we will not stop until we have total victory, until we return all of them," he said. "That’s the holy duty of all of us."
The elimination of Hamas was also a goal, he said, "and that there won't be anything in Gaza that threatens Israel again".
Test:
You continue to equate the murder of innocent men, women and children with unfortunate innocent casualties of war.
You are despicable
I'm not sure those killed or their relatives would recognise your subtle distinction
Other people's lives seems cheap to a certain type of right wing ideologue, hence Johnson's "let the bodies pile high" and Sunak's similar statement quoted by Vallance yesterday.
Likewise some of the generally rightward leaning armchair Generals on here, suggesting that collateral casualties (irrespective of number) are an acceptable feature of conflict, and justifying it by a "well their boys did it to our team on October 7th". It is the heartless language of Hamas. Aren't we, purporting to be from a civilized nation, better than that? I don't know, pick a side.
The PB Toy Soldiers are the worst thing about this site. They have shifted their toy soldiering from Ukraine to Israel, but the Armchair Generals, as you put it, are largely the same people.
You may be including me in the armchair general scorn. I don’t think I am. I’d like nothing more for not one more person to die in Gaza. I just think that the easiest way that happens is Hamas releasing ALL the hostages and surrendering. Terrorism ought not prosper. Israel is not innocent. The West Bank is a huge issue. But ultimately Israel is surrounded by people who want to wipe it from the face of the earth, and that makes them rather more liable to extreme measures. We would too if France and Ireland wanted to eradicate the U.K. from the face of the Earth, and in living memory had waged war to try to achieve that aim.
I wasn’t including you, as it happens. I largely agree with the above. Some ludicrous posts tonight though: like that describing @Sunil_Prasannan as “Hamas’ mouthpiece”.
Netanyahu says war will continue after hostages released
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has said that Israel will continue its war against Hamas "until we achieve all our goals".
In a video statement recorded before the cabinet met to discuss a possible hostage deal, he said "nonsense" was being spoken to the effect that the war would be stopped once the hostages were released.
Netanyahu described the hostages' return as a "sacred and top goal".
"In war there are phases and in returning the hostages there are phases but we will not stop until we have total victory, until we return all of them," he said. "That’s the holy duty of all of us."
The elimination of Hamas was also a goal, he said, "and that there won't be anything in Gaza that threatens Israel again".
Test:
You continue to equate the murder of innocent men, women and children with unfortunate innocent casualties of war.
You are despicable
Excel's telling me that 91% of the victims of this war are Gazans.
It is not a war it is a slaughter.
Typically, under such circumstances, the side that's losing surrenders. You don't seem very keen on that, for some reason.
Hamas are a death cult, they don't give a f*** either way. Not for. Israelis, not for Gazans.
I don't know who wrote that post for you, but tell them from me, they are not the sharpest tool in the box.
Hamas are a "death cult" who "don't give a f*** either way" about human life, including the people they are supposed to be governing...
... and therefore, what, exactly? Everyone should just leave them alone forever?
Netanyahu says war will continue after hostages released
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has said that Israel will continue its war against Hamas "until we achieve all our goals".
In a video statement recorded before the cabinet met to discuss a possible hostage deal, he said "nonsense" was being spoken to the effect that the war would be stopped once the hostages were released.
Netanyahu described the hostages' return as a "sacred and top goal".
"In war there are phases and in returning the hostages there are phases but we will not stop until we have total victory, until we return all of them," he said. "That’s the holy duty of all of us."
The elimination of Hamas was also a goal, he said, "and that there won't be anything in Gaza that threatens Israel again".
Test:
Well let’s assume for a moment that you can believe a single word Hamas says. What is it going to take to stop them from going on a murderous rampage again? That is the question.
I think this was a one off and I don’t think the IDF will be quite so unprepared again . As for the casualties their figure is generally regarded as close to reality . Looking at the devastation it’s hard to think it’s that far off . Absolutely tragic news again that doctors are being killed, those who stayed behind to treat the injured are heroes . Too many innocent people have died .
Hard to disagree with you last sentiments.
Hamas are the cause of all this.
The trigger maybe, but don't deny the IDF agency.
I don’t, but you have to ask what else can they do? I do not believe IDF is deliberately killing Gazans. In contrast to terrorists who murdered for fun then took battered bodies back as trophies.
If you are correct I think they've now had their pound of flesh and it's time to move on. Killing Gazans by the lorry load because they can will achieve nothing except pile odium on them throughout the world.
So you didn’t look at the photos of the command centre they broke into today?
“We need to demolish the underground facility that we found,” said IDF spokesperson Rear Admiral Daniel Hagari. “I think the leadership of Hamas is in great pressure because we found this facility, and we are now going to demolish it. It’s going to take us time. We’re going to do it safely, but we’re going to do it.”
It is arguably the most compelling evidence thus far that the IDF has offered that there may be a network of tunnels below the hospital. It does not establish without a doubt that there is a command center under Gaza’s largest hospital, but it is clear that there is a tunnel down below. Seeing what connects to that tunnel is absolutely critical.
“Toy soldiers” are those posters who think that the West should provide military aid to Ukraine, rather than piously quoting Gandhi, and wringing their hands about how awful it all is.
Netanyahu says war will continue after hostages released
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has said that Israel will continue its war against Hamas "until we achieve all our goals".
In a video statement recorded before the cabinet met to discuss a possible hostage deal, he said "nonsense" was being spoken to the effect that the war would be stopped once the hostages were released.
Netanyahu described the hostages' return as a "sacred and top goal".
"In war there are phases and in returning the hostages there are phases but we will not stop until we have total victory, until we return all of them," he said. "That’s the holy duty of all of us."
The elimination of Hamas was also a goal, he said, "and that there won't be anything in Gaza that threatens Israel again".
Test:
You continue to equate the murder of innocent men, women and children with unfortunate innocent casualties of war.
You are despicable
I'm not sure those killed or their relatives would recognise your subtle distinction
Other people's lives seems cheap to a certain type of right wing ideologue, hence Johnson's "let the bodies pile high" and Sunak's similar statement quoted by Vallance yesterday.
Likewise some of the generally rightward leaning armchair Generals on here, suggesting that collateral casualties (irrespective of number) are an acceptable feature of conflict, and justifying it by a "well their boys did it to our team on October 7th". It is the heartless language of Hamas. Aren't we, purporting to be from a civilized nation, better than that? I don't know, pick a side.
The PB Toy Soldiers are the worst thing about this site. They have shifted their toy soldiering from Ukraine to Israel, but the Armchair Generals, as you put it, are largely the same people.
You may be including me in the armchair general scorn. I don’t think I am. I’d like nothing more for not one more person to die in Gaza. I just think that the easiest way that happens is Hamas releasing ALL the hostages and surrendering. Terrorism ought not prosper. Israel is not innocent. The West Bank is a huge issue. But ultimately Israel is surrounded by people who want to wipe it from the face of the earth, and that makes them rather more liable to extreme measures. We would too if France and Ireland wanted to eradicate the U.K. from the face of the Earth, and in living memory had waged war to try to achieve that aim.
I wasn’t including you, as it happens. I largely agree with the above. Some ludicrous posts tonight though: like that describing @Sunil_Prasannan as “Hamas’ mouthpiece”.
He keeps spreadsheets of Hamas propaganda and litters it on here
Netanyahu says war will continue after hostages released
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has said that Israel will continue its war against Hamas "until we achieve all our goals".
In a video statement recorded before the cabinet met to discuss a possible hostage deal, he said "nonsense" was being spoken to the effect that the war would be stopped once the hostages were released.
Netanyahu described the hostages' return as a "sacred and top goal".
"In war there are phases and in returning the hostages there are phases but we will not stop until we have total victory, until we return all of them," he said. "That’s the holy duty of all of us."
The elimination of Hamas was also a goal, he said, "and that there won't be anything in Gaza that threatens Israel again".
Test:
You continue to equate the murder of innocent men, women and children with unfortunate innocent casualties of war.
You are despicable
I'm not sure those killed or their relatives would recognise your subtle distinction
Other people's lives seems cheap to a certain type of right wing ideologue, hence Johnson's "let the bodies pile high" and Sunak's similar statement quoted by Vallance yesterday.
Likewise some of the generally rightward leaning armchair Generals on here, suggesting that collateral casualties (irrespective of number) are an acceptable feature of conflict, and justifying it by a "well their boys did it to our team on October 7th". It is the heartless language of Hamas. Aren't we, purporting to be from a civilized nation, better than that? I don't know, pick a side.
The PB Toy Soldiers are the worst thing about this site. They have shifted their toy soldiering from Ukraine to Israel, but the Armchair Generals, as you put it, are largely the same people.
What about the Toy Meternicht‘s - always up for selling a slice of someone else’s country?
Or the Toy Pension Reformers - who seem to regard all pensioners as Ballast Existences?
Netanyahu says war will continue after hostages released
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has said that Israel will continue its war against Hamas "until we achieve all our goals".
In a video statement recorded before the cabinet met to discuss a possible hostage deal, he said "nonsense" was being spoken to the effect that the war would be stopped once the hostages were released.
Netanyahu described the hostages' return as a "sacred and top goal".
"In war there are phases and in returning the hostages there are phases but we will not stop until we have total victory, until we return all of them," he said. "That’s the holy duty of all of us."
The elimination of Hamas was also a goal, he said, "and that there won't be anything in Gaza that threatens Israel again".
Test:
You continue to equate the murder of innocent men, women and children with unfortunate innocent casualties of war.
You are despicable
I'm not sure those killed or their relatives would recognise your subtle distinction
Other people's lives seems cheap to a certain type of right wing ideologue, hence Johnson's "let the bodies pile high" and Sunak's similar statement quoted by Vallance yesterday.
Likewise some of the generally rightward leaning armchair Generals on here, suggesting that collateral casualties (irrespective of number) are an acceptable feature of conflict, and justifying it by a "well their boys did it to our team on October 7th". It is the heartless language of Hamas. Aren't we, purporting to be from a civilized nation, better than that? I don't know, pick a side.
The PB Toy Soldiers are the worst thing about this site. They have shifted their toy soldiering from Ukraine to Israel, but the Armchair Generals, as you put it, are largely the same people.
You may be including me in the armchair general scorn. I don’t think I am. I’d like nothing more for not one more person to die in Gaza. I just think that the easiest way that happens is Hamas releasing ALL the hostages and surrendering. Terrorism ought not prosper. Israel is not innocent. The West Bank is a huge issue. But ultimately Israel is surrounded by people who want to wipe it from the face of the earth, and that makes them rather more liable to extreme measures. We would too if France and Ireland wanted to eradicate the U.K. from the face of the Earth, and in living memory had waged war to try to achieve that aim.
I wasn’t including you, as it happens. I largely agree with the above. Some ludicrous posts tonight though: like that describing @Sunil_Prasannan as “Hamas’ mouthpiece”.
He keeps spreadsheets of Hamas propaganda and litters it on here
He should attribute it properly with a Hamas flag emoji
Netanyahu says war will continue after hostages released
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has said that Israel will continue its war against Hamas "until we achieve all our goals".
In a video statement recorded before the cabinet met to discuss a possible hostage deal, he said "nonsense" was being spoken to the effect that the war would be stopped once the hostages were released.
Netanyahu described the hostages' return as a "sacred and top goal".
"In war there are phases and in returning the hostages there are phases but we will not stop until we have total victory, until we return all of them," he said. "That’s the holy duty of all of us."
The elimination of Hamas was also a goal, he said, "and that there won't be anything in Gaza that threatens Israel again".
Test:
Well let’s assume for a moment that you can believe a single word Hamas says. What is it going to take to stop them from going on a murderous rampage again? That is the question.
I think this was a one off and I don’t think the IDF will be quite so unprepared again . As for the casualties their figure is generally regarded as close to reality . Looking at the devastation it’s hard to think it’s that far off . Absolutely tragic news again that doctors are being killed, those who stayed behind to treat the injured are heroes . Too many innocent people have died .
Hard to disagree with you last sentiments.
Hamas are the cause of all this.
The trigger maybe, but don't deny the IDF agency.
I don’t, but you have to ask what else can they do? I do not believe IDF is deliberately killing Gazans. In contrast to terrorists who murdered for fun then took battered bodies back as trophies.
If you are correct I think they've now had their pound of flesh and it's time to move on. Killing Gazans by the lorry load because they can will achieve nothing except pile odium on them throughout the world.
So you didn’t look at the photos of the command centre they broke into today?
“We need to demolish the underground facility that we found,” said IDF spokesperson Rear Admiral Daniel Hagari. “I think the leadership of Hamas is in great pressure because we found this facility, and we are now going to demolish it. It’s going to take us time. We’re going to do it safely, but we’re going to do it.”
It is arguably the most compelling evidence thus far that the IDF has offered that there may be a network of tunnels below the hospital. It does not establish without a doubt that there is a command center under Gaza’s largest hospital, but it is clear that there is a tunnel down below. Seeing what connects to that tunnel is absolutely critical.
Israel knows the bunkers there specifically because they helped build it.
Netanyahu says war will continue after hostages released
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has said that Israel will continue its war against Hamas "until we achieve all our goals".
In a video statement recorded before the cabinet met to discuss a possible hostage deal, he said "nonsense" was being spoken to the effect that the war would be stopped once the hostages were released.
Netanyahu described the hostages' return as a "sacred and top goal".
"In war there are phases and in returning the hostages there are phases but we will not stop until we have total victory, until we return all of them," he said. "That’s the holy duty of all of us."
The elimination of Hamas was also a goal, he said, "and that there won't be anything in Gaza that threatens Israel again".
Test:
Well let’s assume for a moment that you can believe a single word Hamas says. What is it going to take to stop them from going on a murderous rampage again? That is the question.
I think this was a one off and I don’t think the IDF will be quite so unprepared again . As for the casualties their figure is generally regarded as close to reality . Looking at the devastation it’s hard to think it’s that far off . Absolutely tragic news again that doctors are being killed, those who stayed behind to treat the injured are heroes . Too many innocent people have died .
Hard to disagree with you last sentiments.
Hamas are the cause of all this.
The trigger maybe, but don't deny the IDF agency.
I don’t, but you have to ask what else can they do? I do not believe IDF is deliberately killing Gazans. In contrast to terrorists who murdered for fun then took battered bodies back as trophies.
If you are correct I think they've now had their pound of flesh and it's time to move on. Killing Gazans by the lorry load because they can will achieve nothing except pile odium on them throughout the world.
So you didn’t look at the photos of the command centre they broke into today?
No I didn't. Could you post a link
Until the claims are unequivocally verified, colour me skeptical. Hamas may well have a network of tunnels under hospitals, but when the bearer of these tidings is Team Netanyahu, I remain unconvinced without third party confirmation.
I listen most days to BBC WATO whilst having lunch in my car, and everyday Mark Regev gives an informed account of developments. Forgive me, but I wouldn't believe him if he told me "good morning".
Mark Regev and Aylon Levy are totally discredited. No one believes a word that they say. Both are PR men who haven't the faintest idea how to do what they are paid to do which is make Israel look like they are behaving reasonably. They seem to think if if they bully and shout at their interviewers they'll get their message across.
Netanyahu says war will continue after hostages released
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has said that Israel will continue its war against Hamas "until we achieve all our goals".
In a video statement recorded before the cabinet met to discuss a possible hostage deal, he said "nonsense" was being spoken to the effect that the war would be stopped once the hostages were released.
Netanyahu described the hostages' return as a "sacred and top goal".
"In war there are phases and in returning the hostages there are phases but we will not stop until we have total victory, until we return all of them," he said. "That’s the holy duty of all of us."
The elimination of Hamas was also a goal, he said, "and that there won't be anything in Gaza that threatens Israel again".
Test:
You continue to equate the murder of innocent men, women and children with unfortunate innocent casualties of war.
You are despicable
I'm not sure those killed or their relatives would recognise your subtle distinction
Other people's lives seems cheap to a certain type of right wing ideologue, hence Johnson's "let the bodies pile high" and Sunak's similar statement quoted by Vallance yesterday.
Likewise some of the generally rightward leaning armchair Generals on here, suggesting that collateral casualties (irrespective of number) are an acceptable feature of conflict, and justifying it by a "well their boys did it to our team on October 7th". It is the heartless language of Hamas. Aren't we, purporting to be from a civilized nation, better than that? I don't know, pick a side.
I think that, in general, politicians do develop such indifference, and I think it's a part of the territory. People die, directly or indirectly, due to all manner of policy changes.
There is a disturbing and stark disconnect between politicians and citizens when "phrases like "let people die" and "pile the bodies high" are so much as thought, let alone spoken. They weren't their "people", or their "bodies". It was the rest of us, you included, and we could go hang.
Netanyahu says war will continue after hostages released
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has said that Israel will continue its war against Hamas "until we achieve all our goals".
In a video statement recorded before the cabinet met to discuss a possible hostage deal, he said "nonsense" was being spoken to the effect that the war would be stopped once the hostages were released.
Netanyahu described the hostages' return as a "sacred and top goal".
"In war there are phases and in returning the hostages there are phases but we will not stop until we have total victory, until we return all of them," he said. "That’s the holy duty of all of us."
The elimination of Hamas was also a goal, he said, "and that there won't be anything in Gaza that threatens Israel again".
Test:
You continue to equate the murder of innocent men, women and children with unfortunate innocent casualties of war.
You are despicable
I'm not sure those killed or their relatives would recognise your subtle distinction
Other people's lives seems cheap to a certain type of right wing ideologue, hence Johnson's "let the bodies pile high" and Sunak's similar statement quoted by Vallance yesterday.
Likewise some of the generally rightward leaning armchair Generals on here, suggesting that collateral casualties (irrespective of number) are an acceptable feature of conflict, and justifying it by a "well their boys did it to our team on October 7th". It is the heartless language of Hamas. Aren't we, purporting to be from a civilized nation, better than that? I don't know, pick a side.
The PB Toy Soldiers are the worst thing about this site. They have shifted their toy soldiering from Ukraine to Israel, but the Armchair Generals, as you put it, are largely the same people.
You may be including me in the armchair general scorn. I don’t think I am. I’d like nothing more for not one more person to die in Gaza. I just think that the easiest way that happens is Hamas releasing ALL the hostages and surrendering. Terrorism ought not prosper. Israel is not innocent. The West Bank is a huge issue. But ultimately Israel is surrounded by people who want to wipe it from the face of the earth, and that makes them rather more liable to extreme measures. We would too if France and Ireland wanted to eradicate the U.K. from the face of the Earth, and in living memory had waged war to try to achieve that aim.
I wasn’t including you, as it happens. I largely agree with the above. Some ludicrous posts tonight though: like that describing @Sunil_Prasannan as “Hamas’ mouthpiece”.
He keeps spreadsheets of Hamas propaganda and litters it on here
“Toy soldiers” are those posters who think that the West should provide military aid to Ukraine, rather than piously quoting Gandhi, and wringing their hands about how awful it all is.
FWIW I have and always will hope Ukraine will some day win back every square inch of its territory occupied by Putin.
“Toy soldiers” are those posters who think that the West should provide military aid to Ukraine, rather than piously quoting Gandhi, and wringing their hands about how awful it all is.
I well recall the Proper People intoning that arming the opponents of the Serbs in the Yugoslav Wars was “just levelling the killing fields”
The job of the Croats and Bosnians was to die in picturesque style for the cover of Time magazine.
And they should shut up and get on with it.
While their betters tried giving the Serbs a better slice of the pie - so what if they broken 10 agreements? The 11th would do the trick…
Netanyahu says war will continue after hostages released
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has said that Israel will continue its war against Hamas "until we achieve all our goals".
In a video statement recorded before the cabinet met to discuss a possible hostage deal, he said "nonsense" was being spoken to the effect that the war would be stopped once the hostages were released.
Netanyahu described the hostages' return as a "sacred and top goal".
"In war there are phases and in returning the hostages there are phases but we will not stop until we have total victory, until we return all of them," he said. "That’s the holy duty of all of us."
The elimination of Hamas was also a goal, he said, "and that there won't be anything in Gaza that threatens Israel again".
Test:
You continue to equate the murder of innocent men, women and children with unfortunate innocent casualties of war.
You are despicable
I'm not sure those killed or their relatives would recognise your subtle distinction
Other people's lives seems cheap to a certain type of right wing ideologue, hence Johnson's "let the bodies pile high" and Sunak's similar statement quoted by Vallance yesterday.
Likewise some of the generally rightward leaning armchair Generals on here, suggesting that collateral casualties (irrespective of number) are an acceptable feature of conflict, and justifying it by a "well their boys did it to our team on October 7th". It is the heartless language of Hamas. Aren't we, purporting to be from a civilized nation, better than that? I don't know, pick a side.
The PB Toy Soldiers are the worst thing about this site. They have shifted their toy soldiering from Ukraine to Israel, but the Armchair Generals, as you put it, are largely the same people.
You may be including me in the armchair general scorn. I don’t think I am. I’d like nothing more for not one more person to die in Gaza. I just think that the easiest way that happens is Hamas releasing ALL the hostages and surrendering. Terrorism ought not prosper. Israel is not innocent. The West Bank is a huge issue. But ultimately Israel is surrounded by people who want to wipe it from the face of the earth, and that makes them rather more liable to extreme measures. We would too if France and Ireland wanted to eradicate the U.K. from the face of the Earth, and in living memory had waged war to try to achieve that aim.
I wasn’t including you, as it happens. I largely agree with the above. Some ludicrous posts tonight though: like that describing @Sunil_Prasannan as “Hamas’ mouthpiece”.
Maybe Sunil is angling for a job as Head of Palestine Railways when all this is finished.
Netanyahu says war will continue after hostages released
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has said that Israel will continue its war against Hamas "until we achieve all our goals".
In a video statement recorded before the cabinet met to discuss a possible hostage deal, he said "nonsense" was being spoken to the effect that the war would be stopped once the hostages were released.
Netanyahu described the hostages' return as a "sacred and top goal".
"In war there are phases and in returning the hostages there are phases but we will not stop until we have total victory, until we return all of them," he said. "That’s the holy duty of all of us."
The elimination of Hamas was also a goal, he said, "and that there won't be anything in Gaza that threatens Israel again".
Test:
You continue to equate the murder of innocent men, women and children with unfortunate innocent casualties of war.
You are despicable
I'm not sure those killed or their relatives would recognise your subtle distinction
Other people's lives seems cheap to a certain type of right wing ideologue, hence Johnson's "let the bodies pile high" and Sunak's similar statement quoted by Vallance yesterday.
Likewise some of the generally rightward leaning armchair Generals on here, suggesting that collateral casualties (irrespective of number) are an acceptable feature of conflict, and justifying it by a "well their boys did it to our team on October 7th". It is the heartless language of Hamas. Aren't we, purporting to be from a civilized nation, better than that? I don't know, pick a side.
The PB Toy Soldiers are the worst thing about this site. They have shifted their toy soldiering from Ukraine to Israel, but the Armchair Generals, as you put it, are largely the same people.
You may be including me in the armchair general scorn. I don’t think I am. I’d like nothing more for not one more person to die in Gaza. I just think that the easiest way that happens is Hamas releasing ALL the hostages and surrendering. Terrorism ought not prosper. Israel is not innocent. The West Bank is a huge issue. But ultimately Israel is surrounded by people who want to wipe it from the face of the earth, and that makes them rather more liable to extreme measures. We would too if France and Ireland wanted to eradicate the U.K. from the face of the Earth, and in living memory had waged war to try to achieve that aim.
“Toy soldiers” are those posters who think that the West should provide military aid to Ukraine, rather than piously quoting Gandhi, and wringing their hands about how awful it all is.
Netanyahu says war will continue after hostages released
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has said that Israel will continue its war against Hamas "until we achieve all our goals".
In a video statement recorded before the cabinet met to discuss a possible hostage deal, he said "nonsense" was being spoken to the effect that the war would be stopped once the hostages were released.
Netanyahu described the hostages' return as a "sacred and top goal".
"In war there are phases and in returning the hostages there are phases but we will not stop until we have total victory, until we return all of them," he said. "That’s the holy duty of all of us."
The elimination of Hamas was also a goal, he said, "and that there won't be anything in Gaza that threatens Israel again".
Test:
You continue to equate the murder of innocent men, women and children with unfortunate innocent casualties of war.
You are despicable
I'm not sure those killed or their relatives would recognise your subtle distinction
Other people's lives seems cheap to a certain type of right wing ideologue, hence Johnson's "let the bodies pile high" and Sunak's similar statement quoted by Vallance yesterday.
Likewise some of the generally rightward leaning armchair Generals on here, suggesting that collateral casualties (irrespective of number) are an acceptable feature of conflict, and justifying it by a "well their boys did it to our team on October 7th". It is the heartless language of Hamas. Aren't we, purporting to be from a civilized nation, better than that? I don't know, pick a side.
The PB Toy Soldiers are the worst thing about this site. They have shifted their toy soldiering from Ukraine to Israel, but the Armchair Generals, as you put it, are largely the same people.
You may be including me in the armchair general scorn. I don’t think I am. I’d like nothing more for not one more person to die in Gaza. I just think that the easiest way that happens is Hamas releasing ALL the hostages and surrendering. Terrorism ought not prosper. Israel is not innocent. The West Bank is a huge issue. But ultimately Israel is surrounded by people who want to wipe it from the face of the earth, and that makes them rather more liable to extreme measures. We would too if France and Ireland wanted to eradicate the U.K. from the face of the Earth, and in living memory had waged war to try to achieve that aim.
I wasn’t including you, as it happens. I largely agree with the above. Some ludicrous posts tonight though: like that describing @Sunil_Prasannan as “Hamas’ mouthpiece”.
Maybe Sunil is angling for a job as Head of Palestine Railways when all this is finished.
Unfortunately the IDF have probably demolished the Gaza Metro
Netanyahu says war will continue after hostages released
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has said that Israel will continue its war against Hamas "until we achieve all our goals".
In a video statement recorded before the cabinet met to discuss a possible hostage deal, he said "nonsense" was being spoken to the effect that the war would be stopped once the hostages were released.
Netanyahu described the hostages' return as a "sacred and top goal".
"In war there are phases and in returning the hostages there are phases but we will not stop until we have total victory, until we return all of them," he said. "That’s the holy duty of all of us."
The elimination of Hamas was also a goal, he said, "and that there won't be anything in Gaza that threatens Israel again".
Test:
You continue to equate the murder of innocent men, women and children with unfortunate innocent casualties of war.
You are despicable
Excel's telling me that 91% of the victims of this war are Gazans.
It is not a war it is a slaughter.
Typically, under such circumstances, the side that's losing surrenders. You don't seem very keen on that, for some reason.
Hamas are a death cult, they don't give a f*** either way. Not for. Israelis, not for Gazans.
I don't know who wrote that post for you, but tell them from me, they are not the sharpest tool in the box.
Hamas are a "death cult" who "don't give a f*** either way" about human life, including the people they are supposed to be governing...
... and therefore, what, exactly? Everyone should just leave them alone forever?
Who suggested leaving Hamas alone forever? It certainly wasn't me. However, the price for eradicating Hamas, shouldn't be the eradication of ten thousand, or a hundred thousand , or a million Palestinian women and children.
“Toy soldiers” are those posters who think that the West should provide military aid to Ukraine, rather than piously quoting Gandhi, and wringing their hands about how awful it all is.
I well recall the Proper People intoning that arming the opponents of the Serbs in the Yugoslav Wars was “just levelling the killing fields”
The job of the Croats and Bosnians was to die in picturesque style for the cover of Time magazine.
And they should shut up and get on with it.
While their betters tried giving the Serbs a better slice of the pie - so what if they broken 10 agreements? The 11th would do the trick…
Sorry, are the Bosnian factions actually killing each other 28 years on?
Netanyahu says war will continue after hostages released
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has said that Israel will continue its war against Hamas "until we achieve all our goals".
In a video statement recorded before the cabinet met to discuss a possible hostage deal, he said "nonsense" was being spoken to the effect that the war would be stopped once the hostages were released.
Netanyahu described the hostages' return as a "sacred and top goal".
"In war there are phases and in returning the hostages there are phases but we will not stop until we have total victory, until we return all of them," he said. "That’s the holy duty of all of us."
The elimination of Hamas was also a goal, he said, "and that there won't be anything in Gaza that threatens Israel again".
Test:
You continue to equate the murder of innocent men, women and children with unfortunate innocent casualties of war.
You are despicable
I'm not sure those killed or their relatives would recognise your subtle distinction
Other people's lives seems cheap to a certain type of right wing ideologue, hence Johnson's "let the bodies pile high" and Sunak's similar statement quoted by Vallance yesterday.
Likewise some of the generally rightward leaning armchair Generals on here, suggesting that collateral casualties (irrespective of number) are an acceptable feature of conflict, and justifying it by a "well their boys did it to our team on October 7th". It is the heartless language of Hamas. Aren't we, purporting to be from a civilized nation, better than that? I don't know, pick a side.
The PB Toy Soldiers are the worst thing about this site. They have shifted their toy soldiering from Ukraine to Israel, but the Armchair Generals, as you put it, are largely the same people.
You may be including me in the armchair general scorn. I don’t think I am. I’d like nothing more for not one more person to die in Gaza. I just think that the easiest way that happens is Hamas releasing ALL the hostages and surrendering. Terrorism ought not prosper. Israel is not innocent. The West Bank is a huge issue. But ultimately Israel is surrounded by people who want to wipe it from the face of the earth, and that makes them rather more liable to extreme measures. We would too if France and Ireland wanted to eradicate the U.K. from the face of the Earth, and in living memory had waged war to try to achieve that aim.
I wasn’t including you, as it happens. I largely agree with the above. Some ludicrous posts tonight though: like that describing @Sunil_Prasannan as “Hamas’ mouthpiece”.
Maybe Sunil is angling for a job as Head of Palestine Railways when all this is finished.
Unfortunately the IDF have probably demolished the Gaza Metro
Wasn't there a metro stop under that hospital? Maybe that is what the Israelis found. Access wasn't exactly disabled friendly though.
I just popped in and to be honest the bitterness on both sides of the Israel - Hamas divide is something that I find distressing especially in my present health crisis that all I can say is I hope a truce happens quickly and all hostages are released
Of course here in North Wales we are all so sympathetic to the families of the tragic teenagers found dead today in Eryri in their upturned and part submerged vehicle
Netanyahu says war will continue after hostages released
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has said that Israel will continue its war against Hamas "until we achieve all our goals".
In a video statement recorded before the cabinet met to discuss a possible hostage deal, he said "nonsense" was being spoken to the effect that the war would be stopped once the hostages were released.
Netanyahu described the hostages' return as a "sacred and top goal".
"In war there are phases and in returning the hostages there are phases but we will not stop until we have total victory, until we return all of them," he said. "That’s the holy duty of all of us."
The elimination of Hamas was also a goal, he said, "and that there won't be anything in Gaza that threatens Israel again".
Test:
You continue to equate the murder of innocent men, women and children with unfortunate innocent casualties of war.
You are despicable
I'm not sure those killed or their relatives would recognise your subtle distinction
Other people's lives seems cheap to a certain type of right wing ideologue, hence Johnson's "let the bodies pile high" and Sunak's similar statement quoted by Vallance yesterday.
Likewise some of the generally rightward leaning armchair Generals on here, suggesting that collateral casualties (irrespective of number) are an acceptable feature of conflict, and justifying it by a "well their boys did it to our team on October 7th". It is the heartless language of Hamas. Aren't we, purporting to be from a civilized nation, better than that? I don't know, pick a side.
I think that, in general, politicians do develop such indifference, and I think it's a part of the territory. People die, directly or indirectly, due to all manner of policy changes.
There is a disturbing and stark disconnect between politicians and citizens when "phrases like "let people die" and "pile the bodies high" are so much as thought, let alone spoken. They weren't their "people", or their "bodies". It was the rest of us, you included, and we could go hang.
Who has a mindset like that?
The PB Toy Soldiers. They are vocal about letting others die, though never volunteer their own lives in a conflict.
Netanyahu says war will continue after hostages released
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has said that Israel will continue its war against Hamas "until we achieve all our goals".
In a video statement recorded before the cabinet met to discuss a possible hostage deal, he said "nonsense" was being spoken to the effect that the war would be stopped once the hostages were released.
Netanyahu described the hostages' return as a "sacred and top goal".
"In war there are phases and in returning the hostages there are phases but we will not stop until we have total victory, until we return all of them," he said. "That’s the holy duty of all of us."
The elimination of Hamas was also a goal, he said, "and that there won't be anything in Gaza that threatens Israel again".
Test:
You continue to equate the murder of innocent men, women and children with unfortunate innocent casualties of war.
You are despicable
I'm not sure those killed or their relatives would recognise your subtle distinction
Other people's lives seems cheap to a certain type of right wing ideologue, hence Johnson's "let the bodies pile high" and Sunak's similar statement quoted by Vallance yesterday.
Likewise some of the generally rightward leaning armchair Generals on here, suggesting that collateral casualties (irrespective of number) are an acceptable feature of conflict, and justifying it by a "well their boys did it to our team on October 7th". It is the heartless language of Hamas. Aren't we, purporting to be from a civilized nation, better than that? I don't know, pick a side.
The PB Toy Soldiers are the worst thing about this site. They have shifted their toy soldiering from Ukraine to Israel, but the Armchair Generals, as you put it, are largely the same people.
You may be including me in the armchair general scorn. I don’t think I am. I’d like nothing more for not one more person to die in Gaza. I just think that the easiest way that happens is Hamas releasing ALL the hostages and surrendering. Terrorism ought not prosper. Israel is not innocent. The West Bank is a huge issue. But ultimately Israel is surrounded by people who want to wipe it from the face of the earth, and that makes them rather more liable to extreme measures. We would too if France and Ireland wanted to eradicate the U.K. from the face of the Earth, and in living memory had waged war to try to achieve that aim.
I wasn’t including you, as it happens. I largely agree with the above. Some ludicrous posts tonight though: like that describing @Sunil_Prasannan as “Hamas’ mouthpiece”.
He keeps spreadsheets of Hamas propaganda and litters it on here
bar charts you mean?
Israel can't win here, only the Lib Dems can beat the Russian illegal occupancy levels.
Net migration going to come in around 700,000 people apparently. Now I know we do need immigration as a TFR < 2.2 & aging society but it seems a huge number.
Ministers are responding by requiring a minimum £30k salary for skilled foreign migrants who want to come to the UK
Netanyahu says war will continue after hostages released
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has said that Israel will continue its war against Hamas "until we achieve all our goals".
In a video statement recorded before the cabinet met to discuss a possible hostage deal, he said "nonsense" was being spoken to the effect that the war would be stopped once the hostages were released.
Netanyahu described the hostages' return as a "sacred and top goal".
"In war there are phases and in returning the hostages there are phases but we will not stop until we have total victory, until we return all of them," he said. "That’s the holy duty of all of us."
The elimination of Hamas was also a goal, he said, "and that there won't be anything in Gaza that threatens Israel again".
Test:
You continue to equate the murder of innocent men, women and children with unfortunate innocent casualties of war.
You are despicable
I'm not sure those killed or their relatives would recognise your subtle distinction
Other people's lives seems cheap to a certain type of right wing ideologue, hence Johnson's "let the bodies pile high" and Sunak's similar statement quoted by Vallance yesterday.
Likewise some of the generally rightward leaning armchair Generals on here, suggesting that collateral casualties (irrespective of number) are an acceptable feature of conflict, and justifying it by a "well their boys did it to our team on October 7th". It is the heartless language of Hamas. Aren't we, purporting to be from a civilized nation, better than that? I don't know, pick a side.
The PB Toy Soldiers are the worst thing about this site. They have shifted their toy soldiering from Ukraine to Israel, but the Armchair Generals, as you put it, are largely the same people.
You may be including me in the armchair general scorn. I don’t think I am. I’d like nothing more for not one more person to die in Gaza. I just think that the easiest way that happens is Hamas releasing ALL the hostages and surrendering. Terrorism ought not prosper. Israel is not innocent. The West Bank is a huge issue. But ultimately Israel is surrounded by people who want to wipe it from the face of the earth, and that makes them rather more liable to extreme measures. We would too if France and Ireland wanted to eradicate the U.K. from the face of the Earth, and in living memory had waged war to try to achieve that aim.
I wasn’t including you, as it happens. I largely agree with the above. Some ludicrous posts tonight though: like that describing @Sunil_Prasannan as “Hamas’ mouthpiece”.
Maybe Sunil is angling for a job as Head of Palestine Railways when all this is finished.
Unfortunately the IDF have probably demolished the Gaza Metro
Wasn't there a metro stop under that hospital? Maybe that is what the Israelis found. Access wasn't exactly disabled friendly though.
Netanyahu says war will continue after hostages released
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has said that Israel will continue its war against Hamas "until we achieve all our goals".
In a video statement recorded before the cabinet met to discuss a possible hostage deal, he said "nonsense" was being spoken to the effect that the war would be stopped once the hostages were released.
Netanyahu described the hostages' return as a "sacred and top goal".
"In war there are phases and in returning the hostages there are phases but we will not stop until we have total victory, until we return all of them," he said. "That’s the holy duty of all of us."
The elimination of Hamas was also a goal, he said, "and that there won't be anything in Gaza that threatens Israel again".
Test:
You continue to equate the murder of innocent men, women and children with unfortunate innocent casualties of war.
You are despicable
I'm not sure those killed or their relatives would recognise your subtle distinction
Other people's lives seems cheap to a certain type of right wing ideologue, hence Johnson's "let the bodies pile high" and Sunak's similar statement quoted by Vallance yesterday.
Likewise some of the generally rightward leaning armchair Generals on here, suggesting that collateral casualties (irrespective of number) are an acceptable feature of conflict, and justifying it by a "well their boys did it to our team on October 7th". It is the heartless language of Hamas. Aren't we, purporting to be from a civilized nation, better than that? I don't know, pick a side.
The PB Toy Soldiers are the worst thing about this site. They have shifted their toy soldiering from Ukraine to Israel, but the Armchair Generals, as you put it, are largely the same people.
You may be including me in the armchair general scorn. I don’t think I am. I’d like nothing more for not one more person to die in Gaza. I just think that the easiest way that happens is Hamas releasing ALL the hostages and surrendering. Terrorism ought not prosper. Israel is not innocent. The West Bank is a huge issue. But ultimately Israel is surrounded by people who want to wipe it from the face of the earth, and that makes them rather more liable to extreme measures. We would too if France and Ireland wanted to eradicate the U.K. from the face of the Earth, and in living memory had waged war to try to achieve that aim.
I wasn’t including you, as it happens. I largely agree with the above. Some ludicrous posts tonight though: like that describing @Sunil_Prasannan as “Hamas’ mouthpiece”.
Maybe Sunil is angling for a job as Head of Palestine Railways when all this is finished.
Netanyahu says war will continue after hostages released
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has said that Israel will continue its war against Hamas "until we achieve all our goals".
In a video statement recorded before the cabinet met to discuss a possible hostage deal, he said "nonsense" was being spoken to the effect that the war would be stopped once the hostages were released.
Netanyahu described the hostages' return as a "sacred and top goal".
"In war there are phases and in returning the hostages there are phases but we will not stop until we have total victory, until we return all of them," he said. "That’s the holy duty of all of us."
The elimination of Hamas was also a goal, he said, "and that there won't be anything in Gaza that threatens Israel again".
Test:
Well let’s assume for a moment that you can believe a single word Hamas says. What is it going to take to stop them from going on a murderous rampage again? That is the question.
I think this was a one off and I don’t think the IDF will be quite so unprepared again . As for the casualties their figure is generally regarded as close to reality . Looking at the devastation it’s hard to think it’s that far off . Absolutely tragic news again that doctors are being killed, those who stayed behind to treat the injured are heroes . Too many innocent people have died .
Hard to disagree with you last sentiments.
Hamas are the cause of all this.
The trigger maybe, but don't deny the IDF agency.
I don’t, but you have to ask what else can they do? I do not believe IDF is deliberately killing Gazans. In contrast to terrorists who murdered for fun then took battered bodies back as trophies.
If you are correct I think they've now had their pound of flesh and it's time to move on. Killing Gazans by the lorry load because they can will achieve nothing except pile odium on them throughout the world.
So you didn’t look at the photos of the command centre they broke into today?
“We need to demolish the underground facility that we found,” said IDF spokesperson Rear Admiral Daniel Hagari. “I think the leadership of Hamas is in great pressure because we found this facility, and we are now going to demolish it. It’s going to take us time. We’re going to do it safely, but we’re going to do it.”
It is arguably the most compelling evidence thus far that the IDF has offered that there may be a network of tunnels below the hospital. It does not establish without a doubt that there is a command center under Gaza’s largest hospital, but it is clear that there is a tunnel down below. Seeing what connects to that tunnel is absolutely critical.
The IDF are going to destroy the ‘large basement’ added when the hospital was being renovated by the Israeli government in the 1990s? Well, at least they will have the structural drawings.
Jug ears can't help himself...funny how he lost access to his twitter account for a few days around 7th October.
Gary Lineker has endorsed a video by journalist Owen Jones in which an academic accuses Israel of “genocide” and dismisses comparisons between Hamas and the Nazis.
The Match of the Day presenter shared a tweet by Mr Jones, a columnist with the Guardian, of his interview with Raz Segal, an Israeli-American historian, and he added the caption: “Worth 13 minutes of anyone’s time.”
What's the controversy here? That the historian is dangerous and wrong and Jones shouldn't be giving him a platform, or that Jug Ears should just butt out?
The more interesting point is that the arguments Raz Segal puts forward for why what Israel is doing in Gaza is genocide (and, yes, I have read what he's written) apply equally to what Hamas has done and intends doing. So if, Owen Jones (and others) accepts Segal's arguments then he has to say that both Israel and Hamas are committing genocide.Or neither of them are. But that is not his position. Jones is of course too stupid to understand what he so readily accepts because it accords with his preconceived opinion.
Can you commit genocide by intention alone?
That is one of Segal's contentions. He quotes what an Israeli politician says they want to do as evidence of "genocide". If that is so for the goose, it is so for the gander.
Anti-migrant firebrand Geert Wilders leads Dutch polls on eve of knife-edge election The hard-Right leader is predicted to win 28 seats, enough to potentially make him Netherlands prime minister
Netanyahu says war will continue after hostages released
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has said that Israel will continue its war against Hamas "until we achieve all our goals".
In a video statement recorded before the cabinet met to discuss a possible hostage deal, he said "nonsense" was being spoken to the effect that the war would be stopped once the hostages were released.
Netanyahu described the hostages' return as a "sacred and top goal".
"In war there are phases and in returning the hostages there are phases but we will not stop until we have total victory, until we return all of them," he said. "That’s the holy duty of all of us."
The elimination of Hamas was also a goal, he said, "and that there won't be anything in Gaza that threatens Israel again".
Test:
You continue to equate the murder of innocent men, women and children with unfortunate innocent casualties of war.
You are despicable
I'm not sure those killed or their relatives would recognise your subtle distinction
Other people's lives seems cheap to a certain type of right wing ideologue, hence Johnson's "let the bodies pile high" and Sunak's similar statement quoted by Vallance yesterday.
Likewise some of the generally rightward leaning armchair Generals on here, suggesting that collateral casualties (irrespective of number) are an acceptable feature of conflict, and justifying it by a "well their boys did it to our team on October 7th". It is the heartless language of Hamas. Aren't we, purporting to be from a civilized nation, better than that? I don't know, pick a side.
The PB Toy Soldiers are the worst thing about this site. They have shifted their toy soldiering from Ukraine to Israel, but the Armchair Generals, as you put it, are largely the same people.
You may be including me in the armchair general scorn. I don’t think I am. I’d like nothing more for not one more person to die in Gaza. I just think that the easiest way that happens is Hamas releasing ALL the hostages and surrendering. Terrorism ought not prosper. Israel is not innocent. The West Bank is a huge issue. But ultimately Israel is surrounded by people who want to wipe it from the face of the earth, and that makes them rather more liable to extreme measures. We would too if France and Ireland wanted to eradicate the U.K. from the face of the Earth, and in living memory had waged war to try to achieve that aim.
I wasn’t including you, as it happens. I largely agree with the above. Some ludicrous posts tonight though: like that describing @Sunil_Prasannan as “Hamas’ mouthpiece”.
Maybe Sunil is angling for a job as Head of Palestine Railways when all this is finished.
Anti-migrant firebrand Geert Wilders leads Dutch polls on eve of knife-edge election The hard-Right leader is predicted to win 28 seats, enough to potentially make him Netherlands prime minister
How many Hamas savages should survive this attack to save the innocents?
What a ridiculous post.
What about those Hamas Generals living the life of Riley in Doha penthouses? How many British ex-pats are you prepared to sacrifice by launching rockets at the condominiums they share with those Hamas leaders?
Anti-migrant firebrand Geert Wilders leads Dutch polls on eve of knife-edge election The hard-Right leader is predicted to win 28 seats, enough to potentially make him Netherlands prime minister
Jug ears can't help himself...funny how he lost access to his twitter account for a few days around 7th October.
Gary Lineker has endorsed a video by journalist Owen Jones in which an academic accuses Israel of “genocide” and dismisses comparisons between Hamas and the Nazis.
The Match of the Day presenter shared a tweet by Mr Jones, a columnist with the Guardian, of his interview with Raz Segal, an Israeli-American historian, and he added the caption: “Worth 13 minutes of anyone’s time.”
What's the controversy here? That the historian is dangerous and wrong and Jones shouldn't be giving him a platform, or that Jug Ears should just butt out?
The more interesting point is that the arguments Raz Segal puts forward for why what Israel is doing in Gaza is genocide (and, yes, I have read what he's written) apply equally to what Hamas has done and intends doing. So if, Owen Jones (and others) accepts Segal's arguments then he has to say that both Israel and Hamas are committing genocide.Or neither of them are. But that is not his position. Jones is of course too stupid to understand what he so readily accepts because it accords with his preconceived opinion.
I don't think either side are committing genocide. To make such claims reduces the concept to a meaningless trigger word. I do believe there are influential elements on both sides who would be happy with committing genocide if they thought they could get away with it but that is not what is happening at the moment.
I am inclined to agree though it is a while since I looked up the legal definition of the term. I was merely setting out what Segal is arguing not confirming whether he is right or not. I am not sure he is the right authority for that.
Netanyahu says war will continue after hostages released
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has said that Israel will continue its war against Hamas "until we achieve all our goals".
In a video statement recorded before the cabinet met to discuss a possible hostage deal, he said "nonsense" was being spoken to the effect that the war would be stopped once the hostages were released.
Netanyahu described the hostages' return as a "sacred and top goal".
"In war there are phases and in returning the hostages there are phases but we will not stop until we have total victory, until we return all of them," he said. "That’s the holy duty of all of us."
The elimination of Hamas was also a goal, he said, "and that there won't be anything in Gaza that threatens Israel again".
Test:
You continue to equate the murder of innocent men, women and children with unfortunate innocent casualties of war.
You are despicable
Excel's telling me that 91% of the victims of this war are Gazans.
It is not a war it is a slaughter.
Typically, under such circumstances, the side that's losing surrenders. You don't seem very keen on that, for some reason.
Hamas are a death cult, they don't give a f*** either way. Not for. Israelis, not for Gazans.
I don't know who wrote that post for you, but tell them from me, they are not the sharpest tool in the box.
Hamas are a "death cult" who "don't give a f*** either way" about human life, including the people they are supposed to be governing...
... and therefore, what, exactly? Everyone should just leave them alone forever?
Who suggested leaving Hamas alone forever? It certainly wasn't me. However, the price for eradicating Hamas, shouldn't be the eradication of ten thousand, or a hundred thousand , or a million Palestinian women and children.
Obviously it "shouldn't". We do not, however, live in a perfect world.
Anti-migrant firebrand Geert Wilders leads Dutch polls on eve of knife-edge election The hard-Right leader is predicted to win 28 seats, enough to potentially make him Netherlands prime minister
Anti-migrant firebrand Geert Wilders leads Dutch polls on eve of knife-edge election The hard-Right leader is predicted to win 28 seats, enough to potentially make him Netherlands prime minister
Netanyahu says war will continue after hostages released
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has said that Israel will continue its war against Hamas "until we achieve all our goals".
In a video statement recorded before the cabinet met to discuss a possible hostage deal, he said "nonsense" was being spoken to the effect that the war would be stopped once the hostages were released.
Netanyahu described the hostages' return as a "sacred and top goal".
"In war there are phases and in returning the hostages there are phases but we will not stop until we have total victory, until we return all of them," he said. "That’s the holy duty of all of us."
The elimination of Hamas was also a goal, he said, "and that there won't be anything in Gaza that threatens Israel again".
Test:
You continue to equate the murder of innocent men, women and children with unfortunate innocent casualties of war.
You are despicable
I'm not sure those killed or their relatives would recognise your subtle distinction
Other people's lives seems cheap to a certain type of right wing ideologue, hence Johnson's "let the bodies pile high" and Sunak's similar statement quoted by Vallance yesterday.
Likewise some of the generally rightward leaning armchair Generals on here, suggesting that collateral casualties (irrespective of number) are an acceptable feature of conflict, and justifying it by a "well their boys did it to our team on October 7th". It is the heartless language of Hamas. Aren't we, purporting to be from a civilized nation, better than that? I don't know, pick a side.
The PB Toy Soldiers are the worst thing about this site. They have shifted their toy soldiering from Ukraine to Israel, but the Armchair Generals, as you put it, are largely the same people.
Their seamless transition from thinking killing thousands of civilians with shells and bombs and missiles is a war crime to stating it's entirely justified is a wonder to behold. Maybe it's the proximity to the road to Damascus for the second barrage that's caused a change of heart.
Netanyahu says war will continue after hostages released
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has said that Israel will continue its war against Hamas "until we achieve all our goals".
In a video statement recorded before the cabinet met to discuss a possible hostage deal, he said "nonsense" was being spoken to the effect that the war would be stopped once the hostages were released.
Netanyahu described the hostages' return as a "sacred and top goal".
"In war there are phases and in returning the hostages there are phases but we will not stop until we have total victory, until we return all of them," he said. "That’s the holy duty of all of us."
The elimination of Hamas was also a goal, he said, "and that there won't be anything in Gaza that threatens Israel again".
Test:
You continue to equate the murder of innocent men, women and children with unfortunate innocent casualties of war.
You are despicable
I'm not sure those killed or their relatives would recognise your subtle distinction
Other people's lives seems cheap to a certain type of right wing ideologue, hence Johnson's "let the bodies pile high" and Sunak's similar statement quoted by Vallance yesterday.
Likewise some of the generally rightward leaning armchair Generals on here, suggesting that collateral casualties (irrespective of number) are an acceptable feature of conflict, and justifying it by a "well their boys did it to our team on October 7th". It is the heartless language of Hamas. Aren't we, purporting to be from a civilized nation, better than that? I don't know, pick a side.
The PB Toy Soldiers are the worst thing about this site. They have shifted their toy soldiering from Ukraine to Israel, but the Armchair Generals, as you put it, are largely the same people.
You may be including me in the armchair general scorn. I don’t think I am. I’d like nothing more for not one more person to die in Gaza. I just think that the easiest way that happens is Hamas releasing ALL the hostages and surrendering. Terrorism ought not prosper. Israel is not innocent. The West Bank is a huge issue. But ultimately Israel is surrounded by people who want to wipe it from the face of the earth, and that makes them rather more liable to extreme measures. We would too if France and Ireland wanted to eradicate the U.K. from the face of the Earth, and in living memory had waged war to try to achieve that aim.
I wasn’t including you, as it happens. I largely agree with the above. Some ludicrous posts tonight though: like that describing @Sunil_Prasannan as “Hamas’ mouthpiece”.
Maybe Sunil is angling for a job as Head of Palestine Railways when all this is finished.
I’m sure you are capable of better.
Probably but it is past 10pm and I am sure Sunil would actually do a very good job if he was the Head.
The Mail like clicks....as I guess do the consultancy firm behind the "research". Some interesting choices, sorry results of close and careful data analytics.
I don't believe anything Hamas says. I don't believe anything the IDF says either.
But most of all, I don't believe a word of the random tweets people on here link to from profoundly biased accounts claiming this, that, or the other.
It's never been a better time for high-quality, on-the-spot, objective journalism. But that's virtually impossible in the heart of Gaza at the moment. So despite all claims to the contrary, we're pretty clueless as to what's going on.
I don't believe anything Hamas says. I don't believe anything the IDF says either.
But most of all, I don't believe a word of the random tweets people on here link to from profoundly biased accounts claiming this, that, or the other.
It's never been a better time for high-quality, on-the-spot, objective journalism. But that's virtually impossible in the heart of Gaza at the moment. So despite all claims to the contrary, we're pretty clueless as to what's going on.
A big loss from this kind of journalism is when Vice actually did on the ground reporting and not making endless clickbait videos about taking drugs and trans inclusion.
They had 2-3 very brave reporters who were regularly on the front lines in places like Syria and Iraq.
Netanyahu says war will continue after hostages released
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has said that Israel will continue its war against Hamas "until we achieve all our goals".
In a video statement recorded before the cabinet met to discuss a possible hostage deal, he said "nonsense" was being spoken to the effect that the war would be stopped once the hostages were released.
Netanyahu described the hostages' return as a "sacred and top goal".
"In war there are phases and in returning the hostages there are phases but we will not stop until we have total victory, until we return all of them," he said. "That’s the holy duty of all of us."
The elimination of Hamas was also a goal, he said, "and that there won't be anything in Gaza that threatens Israel again".
Test:
You continue to equate the murder of innocent men, women and children with unfortunate innocent casualties of war.
You are despicable
I'm not sure those killed or their relatives would recognise your subtle distinction
Other people's lives seems cheap to a certain type of right wing ideologue, hence Johnson's "let the bodies pile high" and Sunak's similar statement quoted by Vallance yesterday.
Likewise some of the generally rightward leaning armchair Generals on here, suggesting that collateral casualties (irrespective of number) are an acceptable feature of conflict, and justifying it by a "well their boys did it to our team on October 7th". It is the heartless language of Hamas. Aren't we, purporting to be from a civilized nation, better than that? I don't know, pick a side.
The PB Toy Soldiers are the worst thing about this site. They have shifted their toy soldiering from Ukraine to Israel, but the Armchair Generals, as you put it, are largely the same people.
You as self appointed chief commentator of what is wrong with PB is one of the worst things on PB
Netanyahu says war will continue after hostages released
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has said that Israel will continue its war against Hamas "until we achieve all our goals".
In a video statement recorded before the cabinet met to discuss a possible hostage deal, he said "nonsense" was being spoken to the effect that the war would be stopped once the hostages were released.
Netanyahu described the hostages' return as a "sacred and top goal".
"In war there are phases and in returning the hostages there are phases but we will not stop until we have total victory, until we return all of them," he said. "That’s the holy duty of all of us."
The elimination of Hamas was also a goal, he said, "and that there won't be anything in Gaza that threatens Israel again".
Test:
You continue to equate the murder of innocent men, women and children with unfortunate innocent casualties of war.
You are despicable
I'm not sure those killed or their relatives would recognise your subtle distinction
Other people's lives seems cheap to a certain type of right wing ideologue, hence Johnson's "let the bodies pile high" and Sunak's similar statement quoted by Vallance yesterday.
Likewise some of the generally rightward leaning armchair Generals on here, suggesting that collateral casualties (irrespective of number) are an acceptable feature of conflict, and justifying it by a "well their boys did it to our team on October 7th". It is the heartless language of Hamas. Aren't we, purporting to be from a civilized nation, better than that? I don't know, pick a side.
The PB Toy Soldiers are the worst thing about this site. They have shifted their toy soldiering from Ukraine to Israel, but the Armchair Generals, as you put it, are largely the same people.
You may be including me in the armchair general scorn. I don’t think I am. I’d like nothing more for not one more person to die in Gaza. I just think that the easiest way that happens is Hamas releasing ALL the hostages and surrendering. Terrorism ought not prosper. Israel is not innocent. The West Bank is a huge issue. But ultimately Israel is surrounded by people who want to wipe it from the face of the earth, and that makes them rather more liable to extreme measures. We would too if France and Ireland wanted to eradicate the U.K. from the face of the Earth, and in living memory had waged war to try to achieve that aim.
I wasn’t including you, as it happens. I largely agree with the above. Some ludicrous posts tonight though: like that describing @Sunil_Prasannan as “Hamas’ mouthpiece”.
Maybe Sunil is angling for a job as Head of Palestine Railways when all this is finished.
I’m sure you are capable of better.
Probably but it is past 10pm and I am sure Sunil would actually do a very good job if he was the Head.
“Toy soldiers” are those posters who think that the West should provide military aid to Ukraine, rather than piously quoting Gandhi, and wringing their hands about how awful it all is.
I well recall the Proper People intoning that arming the opponents of the Serbs in the Yugoslav Wars was “just levelling the killing fields”
The job of the Croats and Bosnians was to die in picturesque style for the cover of Time magazine.
And they should shut up and get on with it.
While their betters tried giving the Serbs a better slice of the pie - so what if they broken 10 agreements? The 11th would do the trick…
Sorry, are the Bosnian factions actually killing each other 28 years on?
No, they aren’t.
Because the US, under Clinton, told Lord Douglas Turd and chums to do one. They armed the opponents of the Serbs. Who then defeated the Serbs quite comprehensively, albeit with rather a lot of American assistance.
The situation since then has been fairly stable, partly because (especially after Kosovo), everyone is convinced that if they sneeze in a slightly ethically-cleansing-kind-of-fashion, a B2 bomber will drop a 2,000lb bomb on their head.
Looks like it's going to be a 1% cut in employee NI tomorrow. Will be for the 'regular' rate from 12 to 11%. The 2% rate on earnings over £50,270pa unlikely to change.
Nothing on personal allowances.
Consistent with the 'pro work' message along with the minimum wage increase.
Jug ears can't help himself...funny how he lost access to his twitter account for a few days around 7th October.
Gary Lineker has endorsed a video by journalist Owen Jones in which an academic accuses Israel of “genocide” and dismisses comparisons between Hamas and the Nazis.
The Match of the Day presenter shared a tweet by Mr Jones, a columnist with the Guardian, of his interview with Raz Segal, an Israeli-American historian, and he added the caption: “Worth 13 minutes of anyone’s time.”
What's the controversy here? That the historian is dangerous and wrong and Jones shouldn't be giving him a platform, or that Jug Ears should just butt out?
The more interesting point is that the arguments Raz Segal puts forward for why what Israel is doing in Gaza is genocide (and, yes, I have read what he's written) apply equally to what Hamas has done and intends doing. So if, Owen Jones (and others) accepts Segal's arguments then he has to say that both Israel and Hamas are committing genocide.Or neither of them are. But that is not his position. Jones is of course too stupid to understand what he so readily accepts because it accords with his preconceived opinion.
Can you commit genocide by intention alone?
That is one of Segal's contentions. He quotes what an Israeli politician says they want to do as evidence of "genocide". If that is so for the goose, it is so for the gander.
I suppose his point is that Israel is in the process of committing genocide, as evinced by its government's stated aims and the actions of its military. Whether they've reached that point yet is up for debate. Will they revise these aims and stop short? I suppose that's where the morality of it all will ultimately hinge.
I don't believe anything Hamas says. I don't believe anything the IDF says either.
But most of all, I don't believe a word of the random tweets people on here link to from profoundly biased accounts claiming this, that, or the other.
It's never been a better time for high-quality, on-the-spot, objective journalism. But that's virtually impossible in the heart of Gaza at the moment. So despite all claims to the contrary, we're pretty clueless as to what's going on.
A big loss from this kind of journalism is when Vice actually did on the ground reporting and not making endless clickbait videos about taking drugs and trans inclusion.
They had 2-3 very brave reporters who were regularly on the front lines in places like Syria and Iraq.
Unfortunately I don't think I ever saw any of their output, so the only mental picture of Vice News I have is off a sketch joking about how they come up with article ideas with a guy throwing stuff at a wall.
“Toy soldiers” are those posters who think that the West should provide military aid to Ukraine, rather than piously quoting Gandhi, and wringing their hands about how awful it all is.
I well recall the Proper People intoning that arming the opponents of the Serbs in the Yugoslav Wars was “just levelling the killing fields”
The job of the Croats and Bosnians was to die in picturesque style for the cover of Time magazine.
And they should shut up and get on with it.
While their betters tried giving the Serbs a better slice of the pie - so what if they broken 10 agreements? The 11th would do the trick…
Sorry, are the Bosnian factions actually killing each other 28 years on?
No, they aren’t.
Because the US, under Clinton, told Lord Douglas Turd and chums to do one. They armed the opponents of the Serbs. Who then defeated the Serbs quite comprehensively, albeit with rather a lot of American assistance.
The situation since then has been fairly stable, partly because (especially after Kosovo), everyone is convinced that if they sneeze in a slightly ethically-cleansing-kind-of-fashion, a B2 bomber will drop a 2,000lb bomb on their head.
E.g. The Serb troop build up that wasn’t, a few weeks back. NATO stirred and they backed down.
Netanyahu says war will continue after hostages released
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has said that Israel will continue its war against Hamas "until we achieve all our goals".
In a video statement recorded before the cabinet met to discuss a possible hostage deal, he said "nonsense" was being spoken to the effect that the war would be stopped once the hostages were released.
Netanyahu described the hostages' return as a "sacred and top goal".
"In war there are phases and in returning the hostages there are phases but we will not stop until we have total victory, until we return all of them," he said. "That’s the holy duty of all of us."
The elimination of Hamas was also a goal, he said, "and that there won't be anything in Gaza that threatens Israel again".
Test:
You continue to equate the murder of innocent men, women and children with unfortunate innocent casualties of war.
You are despicable
I'm not sure those killed or their relatives would recognise your subtle distinction
Other people's lives seems cheap to a certain type of right wing ideologue, hence Johnson's "let the bodies pile high" and Sunak's similar statement quoted by Vallance yesterday.
Likewise some of the generally rightward leaning armchair Generals on here, suggesting that collateral casualties (irrespective of number) are an acceptable feature of conflict, and justifying it by a "well their boys did it to our team on October 7th". It is the heartless language of Hamas. Aren't we, purporting to be from a civilized nation, better than that? I don't know, pick a side.
The PB Toy Soldiers are the worst thing about this site. They have shifted their toy soldiering from Ukraine to Israel, but the Armchair Generals, as you put it, are largely the same people.
You may be including me in the armchair general scorn. I don’t think I am. I’d like nothing more for not one more person to die in Gaza. I just think that the easiest way that happens is Hamas releasing ALL the hostages and surrendering. Terrorism ought not prosper. Israel is not innocent. The West Bank is a huge issue. But ultimately Israel is surrounded by people who want to wipe it from the face of the earth, and that makes them rather more liable to extreme measures. We would too if France and Ireland wanted to eradicate the U.K. from the face of the Earth, and in living memory had waged war to try to achieve that aim.
I wasn’t including you, as it happens. I largely agree with the above. Some ludicrous posts tonight though: like that describing @Sunil_Prasannan as “Hamas’ mouthpiece”.
Maybe Sunil is angling for a job as Head of Palestine Railways when all this is finished.
Unfortunately the IDF have probably demolished the Gaza Metro
Wasn't there a metro stop under that hospital? Maybe that is what the Israelis found. Access wasn't exactly disabled friendly though.
Maybe TfL were involved, I dunno
“146 million dollars for an elevator for the bunker!!!!!?”
“Well, there’s lots of existing works to tunnel round, and we can only do 1 hour of work a night, since we have to wait for 3 hours after the last suicide bomber goes out before we can start. And we have to stop 3 hours before the morning shift goes out. And the parts and labour….”
I don't believe anything Hamas says. I don't believe anything the IDF says either.
But most of all, I don't believe a word of the random tweets people on here link to from profoundly biased accounts claiming this, that, or the other.
It's never been a better time for high-quality, on-the-spot, objective journalism. But that's virtually impossible in the heart of Gaza at the moment. So despite all claims to the contrary, we're pretty clueless as to what's going on.
A big loss from this kind of journalism is when Vice actually did on the ground reporting and not making endless clickbait videos about taking drugs and trans inclusion.
They had 2-3 very brave reporters who were regularly on the front lines in places like Syria and Iraq.
Unfortunately I don't think I ever saw any of their output, so the only mental picture of Vice News I have is off a sketch joking about how they come up with article ideas with a guy throwing stuff at a wall.
Netanyahu says war will continue after hostages released
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has said that Israel will continue its war against Hamas "until we achieve all our goals".
In a video statement recorded before the cabinet met to discuss a possible hostage deal, he said "nonsense" was being spoken to the effect that the war would be stopped once the hostages were released.
Netanyahu described the hostages' return as a "sacred and top goal".
"In war there are phases and in returning the hostages there are phases but we will not stop until we have total victory, until we return all of them," he said. "That’s the holy duty of all of us."
The elimination of Hamas was also a goal, he said, "and that there won't be anything in Gaza that threatens Israel again".
Test:
You continue to equate the murder of innocent men, women and children with unfortunate innocent casualties of war.
You are despicable
Excel's telling me that 91% of the victims of this war are Gazans.
It is not a war it is a slaughter.
Typically, under such circumstances, the side that's losing surrenders. You don't seem very keen on that, for some reason.
Hamas are a death cult, they don't give a f*** either way. Not for. Israelis, not for Gazans.
I don't know who wrote that post for you, but tell them from me, they are not the sharpest tool in the box.
Hamas are a "death cult" who "don't give a f*** either way" about human life, including the people they are supposed to be governing...
... and therefore, what, exactly? Everyone should just leave them alone forever?
Who suggested leaving Hamas alone forever? It certainly wasn't me. However, the price for eradicating Hamas, shouldn't be the eradication of ten thousand, or a hundred thousand , or a million Palestinian women and children.
Obviously it "shouldn't". We do not, however, live in a perfect world.
So how many collateral casualties are you comfortable with?
Netanyahu says war will continue after hostages released
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has said that Israel will continue its war against Hamas "until we achieve all our goals".
In a video statement recorded before the cabinet met to discuss a possible hostage deal, he said "nonsense" was being spoken to the effect that the war would be stopped once the hostages were released.
Netanyahu described the hostages' return as a "sacred and top goal".
"In war there are phases and in returning the hostages there are phases but we will not stop until we have total victory, until we return all of them," he said. "That’s the holy duty of all of us."
The elimination of Hamas was also a goal, he said, "and that there won't be anything in Gaza that threatens Israel again".
Test:
You continue to equate the murder of innocent men, women and children with unfortunate innocent casualties of war.
You are despicable
I'm not sure those killed or their relatives would recognise your subtle distinction
Other people's lives seems cheap to a certain type of right wing ideologue, hence Johnson's "let the bodies pile high" and Sunak's similar statement quoted by Vallance yesterday.
Likewise some of the generally rightward leaning armchair Generals on here, suggesting that collateral casualties (irrespective of number) are an acceptable feature of conflict, and justifying it by a "well their boys did it to our team on October 7th". It is the heartless language of Hamas. Aren't we, purporting to be from a civilized nation, better than that? I don't know, pick a side.
The PB Toy Soldiers are the worst thing about this site. They have shifted their toy soldiering from Ukraine to Israel, but the Armchair Generals, as you put it, are largely the same people.
Their seamless transition from thinking killing thousands of civilians with shells and bombs and missiles is a war crime to stating it's entirely justified is a wonder to behold. Maybe it's the proximity to the road to Damascus for the second barrage that's caused a change of heart.
Their stomach for blowing bits off hospitals has certainly improved.
I don't believe anything Hamas says. I don't believe anything the IDF says either.
But most of all, I don't believe a word of the random tweets people on here link to from profoundly biased accounts claiming this, that, or the other.
It's never been a better time for high-quality, on-the-spot, objective journalism. But that's virtually impossible in the heart of Gaza at the moment. So despite all claims to the contrary, we're pretty clueless as to what's going on.
I think I read that around 50 journalists have been killed in Gaza so far so some are attempting to do the job. Brave people.
How many Hamas savages should survive this attack to save the innocents?
What a ridiculous post.
What about those Hamas Generals living the life of Riley in Doha penthouses? How many British ex-pats are you prepared to sacrifice by launching rockets at the condominiums they share with those Hamas leaders?
“Toy soldiers” are those posters who think that the West should provide military aid to Ukraine, rather than piously quoting Gandhi, and wringing their hands about how awful it all is.
I well recall the Proper People intoning that arming the opponents of the Serbs in the Yugoslav Wars was “just levelling the killing fields”
The job of the Croats and Bosnians was to die in picturesque style for the cover of Time magazine.
And they should shut up and get on with it.
While their betters tried giving the Serbs a better slice of the pie - so what if they broken 10 agreements? The 11th would do the trick…
Sorry, are the Bosnian factions actually killing each other 28 years on?
No, they aren’t.
Because the US, under Clinton, told Lord Douglas Turd and chums to do one. They armed the opponents of the Serbs. Who then defeated the Serbs quite comprehensively, albeit with rather a lot of American assistance.
The situation since then has been fairly stable, partly because (especially after Kosovo), everyone is convinced that if they sneeze in a slightly ethically-cleansing-kind-of-fashion, a B2 bomber will drop a 2,000lb bomb on their head.
E.g. The Serb troop build up that wasn’t, a few weeks back. NATO stirred and they backed down.
I don't believe anything Hamas says. I don't believe anything the IDF says either.
But most of all, I don't believe a word of the random tweets people on here link to from profoundly biased accounts claiming this, that, or the other.
It's never been a better time for high-quality, on-the-spot, objective journalism. But that's virtually impossible in the heart of Gaza at the moment. So despite all claims to the contrary, we're pretty clueless as to what's going on.
Sad to see on the BBC this evening that the Israelis are apparently making a point of targetting such 'on the ground' journalists on Southern Lebanon and dropping missiles on them.
Net migration going to come in around 700,000 people apparently. Now I know we do need immigration as a TFR < 2.2 & aging society but it seems a huge number.
Migration is the only thing delivering anaemic growth. Without it, the UK would be in recession already.
If immigration is delivering growth - but GDP *per head* isn't rising... Then you'd have a situation where people think the economy is in recession, personally, but the headline would say....
Yes.
Weirdly, overall population is only rising by about 200,000 a year. We know that deaths don't exceed births, so the only other explanation is that emigration is heavily undercounted.
If you look at births and deaths they are more or less equal now (deaths>births in 2020, births>deaths in 2021), and based on trends in both (deaths trending up, births trending down) I'd imagine that we are moving into a situation where deaths do exceed births in the future. How depressing!
I don't believe anything Hamas says. I don't believe anything the IDF says either.
But most of all, I don't believe a word of the random tweets people on here link to from profoundly biased accounts claiming this, that, or the other.
It's never been a better time for high-quality, on-the-spot, objective journalism. But that's virtually impossible in the heart of Gaza at the moment. So despite all claims to the contrary, we're pretty clueless as to what's going on.
Sad to see on the BBC this evening that the Israelis are apparently making a point of targetting such 'on the ground' journalists on Southern Lebanon and dropping missiles on them.
Despite all the flak they get, the BBC's reporting on the Middle East is pretty good. Jeremy Bowen is usually excellent.
How many Hamas savages should survive this attack to save the innocents?
What a ridiculous post.
What about those Hamas Generals living the life of Riley in Doha penthouses? How many British ex-pats are you prepared to sacrifice by launching rockets at the condominiums they share with those Hamas leaders?
They will be assassinated
How many Hamas savages do you want to spare?
Personally I would much rather the Israelis concentrated on doing this than dropping bombs on bits of rubble in Gaza. At least then they would know they were actually killing the guilty rather than just hoping they hit them amongst the mass of civilians.
Net migration going to come in around 700,000 people apparently. Now I know we do need immigration as a TFR < 2.2 & aging society but it seems a huge number.
Migration is the only thing delivering anaemic growth. Without it, the UK would be in recession already.
If immigration is delivering growth - but GDP *per head* isn't rising... Then you'd have a situation where people think the economy is in recession, personally, but the headline would say....
Yes.
Weirdly, overall population is only rising by about 200,000 a year. We know that deaths don't exceed births, so the only other explanation is that emigration is heavily undercounted.
If you look at births and deaths they are more or less equal now (deaths>births in 2020, births>deaths in 2021), and based on trends in both (deaths trending up, births trending down) I'd imagine that we are moving into a situation where deaths do exceed births in the future. How depressing!
Well birth rate is well below replacement level, so not that surprising
I don't believe anything Hamas says. I don't believe anything the IDF says either.
But most of all, I don't believe a word of the random tweets people on here link to from profoundly biased accounts claiming this, that, or the other.
It's never been a better time for high-quality, on-the-spot, objective journalism. But that's virtually impossible in the heart of Gaza at the moment. So despite all claims to the contrary, we're pretty clueless as to what's going on.
Sad to see on the BBC this evening that the Israelis are apparently making a point of targetting such 'on the ground' journalists on Southern Lebanon and dropping missiles on them.
Despite all the flak they get, the BBC's reporting on the Middle East is pretty good. Jeremy Bowen is usually excellent.
Spits out coffee.....the bloke who only the other day prattling on about well all those guns, grenades, explosives at the hospital, standard in the middle east for security guards to have them...nothing to see...move along.
Oh, well there is a big tunnel, and oh there is a blast door at the end of it...what the Israelis have opened it and it leads to lots of other things...must be the security guards break room.
Net migration going to come in around 700,000 people apparently. Now I know we do need immigration as a TFR < 2.2 & aging society but it seems a huge number.
Migration is the only thing delivering anaemic growth. Without it, the UK would be in recession already.
If immigration is delivering growth - but GDP *per head* isn't rising... Then you'd have a situation where people think the economy is in recession, personally, but the headline would say....
Yes.
Weirdly, overall population is only rising by about 200,000 a year. We know that deaths don't exceed births, so the only other explanation is that emigration is heavily undercounted.
If you look at births and deaths they are more or less equal now (deaths>births in 2020, births>deaths in 2021), and based on trends in both (deaths trending up, births trending down) I'd imagine that we are moving into a situation where deaths do exceed births in the future. How depressing!
I will show this post to my wife to try and talk her into bed.
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Hamas is losing but Gaza is suffering. Hamas ≠ Gaza and the ordinary Gazans who are being killed in such numbers have no ability to 'surrender'
I don't know who wrote that post for you, but tell them from me, they are not the sharpest tool in the box.
Kid got Goodwinned good and proper by a whopping 27pts only last week. Now down to a mere notional 21pts only a few days later. THE BIG MO 👏
I listen most days to BBC WATO whilst having lunch in my car, and everyday Mark Regev gives an informed account of developments. Forgive me, but I wouldn't believe him if he told me "good morning".
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/11/20/middleeast/gaza-tunnel-shaft-al-shifa-hospital-intl-hnk/index.html
“We need to demolish the underground facility that we found,” said IDF spokesperson Rear Admiral Daniel Hagari. “I think the leadership of Hamas is in great pressure because we found this facility, and we are now going to demolish it. It’s going to take us time. We’re going to do it safely, but we’re going to do it.”
It is arguably the most compelling evidence thus far that the IDF has offered that there may be a network of tunnels below the hospital. It does not establish without a doubt that there is a command center under Gaza’s largest hospital, but it is clear that there is a tunnel down below. Seeing what connects to that tunnel is absolutely critical.
Israel is not innocent. The West Bank is a huge issue. But ultimately Israel is surrounded by people who want to wipe it from the face of the earth, and that makes them rather more liable to extreme measures. We would too if France and Ireland wanted to eradicate the U.K. from the face of the Earth, and in living memory had waged war to try to achieve that aim.
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/11/20/middleeast/gaza-tunnel-shaft-al-shifa-hospital-intl-hnk/index.html
And TV
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NDc9zmID9J8
... and therefore, what, exactly? Everyone should just leave them alone forever?
Or the Toy Pension Reformers - who seem to regard all pensioners as Ballast Existences?
Come one, spread your anger wider….
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/barak-causes-storm-by-telling-cnn-israel-helped-build-some-spaces-beneath-shifa/
You'd imagine Hamas have been using it but there's no released evidence
Who has a mindset like that?
It’s truly ghastly to dismiss it all as Hamas propaganda, even if you believe Israel’s campaign can be justified.
The job of the Croats and Bosnians was to die in picturesque style for the cover of Time magazine.
And they should shut up and get on with it.
While their betters tried giving the Serbs a better slice of the pie - so what if they broken 10 agreements? The 11th would do the trick…
The world's best cities for 2024 have been revealed and it's London that's number one followed by Paris and New York.
That's according to an annual report by Resonance Consultancy, which ranks the top 100 from 270-plus cities with populations of more than one million.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/article-12774333/The-best-100-cities-planet-ranked-despite-Brexit-London-thats-No-1-followed-Paris-New-York-does-favourite-city-come-list.html
I just popped in and to be honest the bitterness on both sides of the Israel - Hamas divide is something that I find distressing especially in my present health crisis that all I can say is I hope a truce happens quickly and all hostages are released
Of course here in North Wales we are all so sympathetic to the families of the tragic teenagers found dead today in Eryri in their upturned and part submerged vehicle
Prayers and thoughts with all those affected
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/11/19/foreign-workers-will-need-30k-salary-to-come-to-britain/
The hard-Right leader is predicted to win 28 seats, enough to potentially make him Netherlands prime minister
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/11/21/anti-migrant-geert-wilders-leads-netherlands-polls-election/
What about those Hamas Generals living the life of Riley in Doha penthouses? How many British ex-pats are you prepared to sacrifice by launching rockets at the condominiums they share with those Hamas leaders?
“Potentially make him”
“telegraph.co.uk”
https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/19/far-right-party-for-freedom-gaining-in-polls-ahead-of-netherlands-election
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/dutch-candidates-snipe-scramble-undecided-voters-race-deliver-pm-2023-11-21/
I don't believe anything the IDF says either.
But most of all, I don't believe a word of the random tweets people on here link to from profoundly biased accounts claiming this, that, or the other.
It's never been a better time for high-quality, on-the-spot, objective journalism. But that's virtually impossible in the heart of Gaza at the moment. So despite all claims to the contrary, we're pretty clueless as to what's going on.
Remarkably, Resonance Consultancy do not list themselves having an office in London (New York, Vancouver, Montreal, Singapore though).
They had 2-3 very brave reporters who were regularly on the front lines in places like Syria and Iraq.
Anyway:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine_Railways
Because the US, under Clinton, told Lord Douglas Turd and chums to do one. They armed the opponents of the Serbs. Who then defeated the Serbs quite comprehensively, albeit with rather a lot of American assistance.
The situation since then has been fairly stable, partly because (especially after Kosovo), everyone is convinced that if they sneeze in a slightly ethically-cleansing-kind-of-fashion, a B2 bomber will drop a 2,000lb bomb on their head.
Nothing on personal allowances.
Consistent with the 'pro work' message along with the minimum wage increase.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ia7fUQXskvA
“Well, there’s lots of existing works to tunnel round, and we can only do 1 hour of work a night, since we have to wait for 3 hours after the last suicide bomber goes out before we can start. And we have to stop 3 hours before the morning shift goes out. And the parts and labour….”
Controlling the Capital of the Syrian Revolution: Ghosts of Aleppo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwSnyQYy5SE
My cousin against my village
My village against….
How many Hamas savages do you want to spare?
Oh, well there is a big tunnel, and oh there is a blast door at the end of it...what the Israelis have opened it and it leads to lots of other things...must be the security guards break room.