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The Tories, just like Game of Thrones but with more sex and backstabbing – politicalbetting.com

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edited November 2023 in General
The Tories, just like Game of Thrones but with more sex and backstabbing – politicalbetting.com

Supporters of the home secretary launched a rearguard action to shore up her position after Jeremy Hunt, the chancellor, became the most senior minister to distance himself from her allegations of police bias

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    Test.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 68,412
    I could really have done without that mental image of Braverman having sex Game of Thrones style. Particularly given the last line of the header...
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    And in the shortish term, there's not a lot Rishi can do. Whatever he does about Suella will infuriate a chunk of his party.

    And he can't even realistically call a General Election. Partly because he is doing so badly, but also because an election called Monday would land just before Christmas.

    The monkey's paw is claiming another victim.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 68,412

    And in the shortish term,

    Careful, you might be accused of belittling him.
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    MonksfieldMonksfield Posts: 2,461
    Rather like the Republicans, who they strive so openly to ape, they are dissolving into an ungovernable rabble.

    No strategic vision beyond divisive and destructive culture war stuff.
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    OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 32,436
    An election called for February?

    Who governs Britain?

    Stonking Lab majority this time.
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    OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 32,436

    Badenoch once looked like the future. She now looks past her sell by date.

    Never mind the sex silliness. She's the minister responsible for the Post Office. Where has she been during the scandal?

    Nowhere, which is where she is going fast.

    Braverman is just a nasty piece of work who is driving the Party to the right at at time when it is leaking votes to the centre. She can only be doing this for her own self interest. She is placing herself to lead the much diminished Tory Party after the GE.

    This Government has lost interest in governing. It is a zombie. We can only wait for it to be exterminated, and hope it doesn't do too much damage in the meantime.

    Royal Mail looks like taking a leaf out of the Post Office’s book with the furore over stamps! Where there really that many forgeries?
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 68,412
    edited November 2023

    Badenoch once looked like the future. She now looks past her sell by date.

    Never mind the sex silliness. She's the minister responsible for the Post Office. Where has she been during the scandal?

    Nowhere, which is where she is going fast.

    Braverman is just a nasty piece of work who is driving the Party to the right at at time when it is leaking votes to the centre. She can only be doing this for her own self interest. She is placing herself to lead the much diminished Tory Party after the GE.

    This Government has lost interest in governing. It is a zombie. We can only wait for it to be exterminated, and hope it doesn't do too much damage in the meantime.

    Royal Mail looks like taking a leaf out of the Post Office’s book with the furore over stamps! Where there really that many forgeries?
    No.

    They're nakedly profiteering.

    Either that, or they're actually more useless than OFSTED, which since they recruit paedophiles as inspectors through gross incompetence seems unlikely. But I suppose it's not impossible.
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    Badenoch once looked like the future. She now looks past her sell by date.

    Never mind the sex silliness. She's the minister responsible for the Post Office. Where has she been during the scandal?

    Nowhere, which is where she is going fast.

    Braverman is just a nasty piece of work who is driving the Party to the right at at time when it is leaking votes to the centre. She can only be doing this for her own self interest. She is placing herself to lead the much diminished Tory Party after the GE.

    This Government has lost interest in governing. It is a zombie. We can only wait for it to be exterminated, and hope it doesn't do too much damage in the meantime.

    Royal Mail looks like taking a leaf out of the Post Office’s book with the furore over stamps! Where there really that many forgeries?
    Next time you buy a book of stamps,make sure you keep the receipt, in case their Fraud Squad get after you.
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    FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,175

    Badenoch once looked like the future. She now looks past her sell by date.

    Never mind the sex silliness. She's the minister responsible for the Post Office. Where has she been during the scandal?

    Nowhere, which is where she is going fast.

    Braverman is just a nasty piece of work who is driving the Party to the right at at time when it is leaking votes to the centre. She can only be doing this for her own self interest. She is placing herself to lead the much diminished Tory Party after the GE.

    This Government has lost interest in governing. It is a zombie. We can only wait for it to be exterminated, and hope it doesn't do too much damage in the meantime.

    Is it wise for Badenoch to intervene whilst the inquiry is ongoing? I'm not up on the procedures for these things.

    As for sex silliness, I can't go behind the paywall.
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 46,118

    Badenoch once looked like the future. She now looks past her sell by date.

    Never mind the sex silliness. She's the minister responsible for the Post Office. Where has she been during the scandal?

    Nowhere, which is where she is going fast.

    Braverman is just a nasty piece of work who is driving the Party to the right at at time when it is leaking votes to the centre. She can only be doing this for her own self interest. She is placing herself to lead the much diminished Tory Party after the GE.

    This Government has lost interest in governing. It is a zombie. We can only wait for it to be exterminated, and hope it doesn't do too much damage in the meantime.

    Royal Mail looks like taking a leaf out of the Post Office’s book with the furore over stamps! Where there really that many forgeries?
    It's almost as if privatising every public service isn't a great move.

    Meanwhile in Sweden:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/10/swedens-schools-minister-declares-free-school-system-failure

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    Foxy said:
    PB Tories' hearts sent a-flutter.
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 46,118

    Badenoch once looked like the future. She now looks past her sell by date.

    Never mind the sex silliness. She's the minister responsible for the Post Office. Where has she been during the scandal?

    Nowhere, which is where she is going fast.

    Braverman is just a nasty piece of work who is driving the Party to the right at at time when it is leaking votes to the centre. She can only be doing this for her own self interest. She is placing herself to lead the much diminished Tory Party after the GE.

    This Government has lost interest in governing. It is a zombie. We can only wait for it to be exterminated, and hope it doesn't do too much damage in the meantime.

    Royal Mail looks like taking a leaf out of the Post Office’s book with the furore over stamps! Where there really that many forgeries?
    They should be frank about the issue.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 68,412
    Foxy said:

    Badenoch once looked like the future. She now looks past her sell by date.

    Never mind the sex silliness. She's the minister responsible for the Post Office. Where has she been during the scandal?

    Nowhere, which is where she is going fast.

    Braverman is just a nasty piece of work who is driving the Party to the right at at time when it is leaking votes to the centre. She can only be doing this for her own self interest. She is placing herself to lead the much diminished Tory Party after the GE.

    This Government has lost interest in governing. It is a zombie. We can only wait for it to be exterminated, and hope it doesn't do too much damage in the meantime.

    Royal Mail looks like taking a leaf out of the Post Office’s book with the furore over stamps! Where there really that many forgeries?
    It's almost as if privatising every public service isn't a great move.

    Meanwhile in Sweden:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/10/swedens-schools-minister-declares-free-school-system-failure

    Ugh.

    Don't know enough about the details to make a truly informed judgement, but just on what she's saying my skin's creeping.

    There are alarming echoes of the way Gove approached education (even if her policies are the opposite) and we all know how well that ended.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 68,412
    Foxy said:

    Badenoch once looked like the future. She now looks past her sell by date.

    Never mind the sex silliness. She's the minister responsible for the Post Office. Where has she been during the scandal?

    Nowhere, which is where she is going fast.

    Braverman is just a nasty piece of work who is driving the Party to the right at at time when it is leaking votes to the centre. She can only be doing this for her own self interest. She is placing herself to lead the much diminished Tory Party after the GE.

    This Government has lost interest in governing. It is a zombie. We can only wait for it to be exterminated, and hope it doesn't do too much damage in the meantime.

    Royal Mail looks like taking a leaf out of the Post Office’s book with the furore over stamps! Where there really that many forgeries?
    They should be frank about the issue.
    We need to stamp this problem out.
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    Police Use of Face Recognition Is Sweeping the UK
    Face recognition technology has been controversial for years. Cops in the UK are drastically increasing the amount they use it.

    https://www.wired.co.uk/article/uk-police-face-recognition-expansion
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 46,118
    ydoethur said:

    Foxy said:

    Badenoch once looked like the future. She now looks past her sell by date.

    Never mind the sex silliness. She's the minister responsible for the Post Office. Where has she been during the scandal?

    Nowhere, which is where she is going fast.

    Braverman is just a nasty piece of work who is driving the Party to the right at at time when it is leaking votes to the centre. She can only be doing this for her own self interest. She is placing herself to lead the much diminished Tory Party after the GE.

    This Government has lost interest in governing. It is a zombie. We can only wait for it to be exterminated, and hope it doesn't do too much damage in the meantime.

    Royal Mail looks like taking a leaf out of the Post Office’s book with the furore over stamps! Where there really that many forgeries?
    They should be frank about the issue.
    We need to stamp this problem out.
    It certainly needs to be addressed.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 68,412
    Foxy said:

    ydoethur said:

    Foxy said:

    Badenoch once looked like the future. She now looks past her sell by date.

    Never mind the sex silliness. She's the minister responsible for the Post Office. Where has she been during the scandal?

    Nowhere, which is where she is going fast.

    Braverman is just a nasty piece of work who is driving the Party to the right at at time when it is leaking votes to the centre. She can only be doing this for her own self interest. She is placing herself to lead the much diminished Tory Party after the GE.

    This Government has lost interest in governing. It is a zombie. We can only wait for it to be exterminated, and hope it doesn't do too much damage in the meantime.

    Royal Mail looks like taking a leaf out of the Post Office’s book with the furore over stamps! Where there really that many forgeries?
    They should be frank about the issue.
    We need to stamp this problem out.
    It certainly needs to be addressed.
    No need to get in a flap about it though.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 68,412

    Police Use of Face Recognition Is Sweeping the UK
    Face recognition technology has been controversial for years. Cops in the UK are drastically increasing the amount they use it.

    https://www.wired.co.uk/article/uk-police-face-recognition-expansion

    If police officers are finally learning to distinguish between faces so they don't keep framing the wrong people, that might be a sign of progress.
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 46,118
    ydoethur said:

    Foxy said:

    ydoethur said:

    Foxy said:

    Badenoch once looked like the future. She now looks past her sell by date.

    Never mind the sex silliness. She's the minister responsible for the Post Office. Where has she been during the scandal?

    Nowhere, which is where she is going fast.

    Braverman is just a nasty piece of work who is driving the Party to the right at at time when it is leaking votes to the centre. She can only be doing this for her own self interest. She is placing herself to lead the much diminished Tory Party after the GE.

    This Government has lost interest in governing. It is a zombie. We can only wait for it to be exterminated, and hope it doesn't do too much damage in the meantime.

    Royal Mail looks like taking a leaf out of the Post Office’s book with the furore over stamps! Where there really that many forgeries?
    They should be frank about the issue.
    We need to stamp this problem out.
    It certainly needs to be addressed.
    No need to get in a flap about it though.
    A solution needs to be delivered.
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    Counter protesters to pro-Palestine march will be allowed around Cenotaph, Met Police say
    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/pro-palestinian-rally-armistice-day-met-police-gaza-security-suella-braverman-b1119455.html

    Without fear or favour?
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    ydoethur said:

    Foxy said:

    ydoethur said:

    Foxy said:

    Badenoch once looked like the future. She now looks past her sell by date.

    Never mind the sex silliness. She's the minister responsible for the Post Office. Where has she been during the scandal?

    Nowhere, which is where she is going fast.

    Braverman is just a nasty piece of work who is driving the Party to the right at at time when it is leaking votes to the centre. She can only be doing this for her own self interest. She is placing herself to lead the much diminished Tory Party after the GE.

    This Government has lost interest in governing. It is a zombie. We can only wait for it to be exterminated, and hope it doesn't do too much damage in the meantime.

    Royal Mail looks like taking a leaf out of the Post Office’s book with the furore over stamps! Where there really that many forgeries?
    They should be frank about the issue.
    We need to stamp this problem out.
    It certainly needs to be addressed.
    No need to get in a flap about it though.
    Trouble is that, whenever the Royal Mail comes up.with a plain to make more money, the government's response is just to let 'er.
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 46,118

    Counter protesters to pro-Palestine march will be allowed around Cenotaph, Met Police say
    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/pro-palestinian-rally-armistice-day-met-police-gaza-security-suella-braverman-b1119455.html

    Without fear or favour?

    Considering the Palestine march is never closer than a mile away, that seems a convenient way of segregating the protests.
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    Badenoch once looked like the future. She now looks past her sell by date.

    Never mind the sex silliness. She's the minister responsible for the Post Office. Where has she been during the scandal?

    Nowhere, which is where she is going fast.

    Braverman is just a nasty piece of work who is driving the Party to the right at at time when it is leaking votes to the centre. She can only be doing this for her own self interest. She is placing herself to lead the much diminished Tory Party after the GE.

    This Government has lost interest in governing. It is a zombie. We can only wait for it to be exterminated, and hope it doesn't do too much damage in the meantime.

    Is it wise for Badenoch to intervene whilst the inquiry is ongoing? I'm not up on the procedures for these things.

    As for sex silliness, I can't go behind the paywall.
    A few words wouldn't go amiss, Frank, if only to indicate she knows an Inquiry is in progress. Some words of support for its work might also be considered appropriate.

    She risks appearing as though she doesn't give a f*ck, which may be true, but is not the sort of look you want to give if you have pretensions to be Leader.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,534
    Foxy said:

    Counter protesters to pro-Palestine march will be allowed around Cenotaph, Met Police say
    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/pro-palestinian-rally-armistice-day-met-police-gaza-security-suella-braverman-b1119455.html

    Without fear or favour?

    Considering the Palestine march is never closer than a mile away, that seems a convenient way of segregating the protests.
    Yes, with a bit of luck then it should all be okay. Railway stations are probably the biggest worry today. Hoping Waterloo will be okay after the game today.
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 45,743

    Counter protesters to pro-Palestine march will be allowed around Cenotaph, Met Police say
    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/pro-palestinian-rally-armistice-day-met-police-gaza-security-suella-braverman-b1119455.html

    Without fear or favour?

    The idea is to keep the two marches well apart. As in miles.

    There’s only so much central London.

    A factor in that is the tube lines and other public transport. Otherwise you will get protestors and counter protestors arriving/leaving in the same tube trains
    /bus lines. So that further constrains the march locations.

    The counter protestors claim to be old fashioned patriots so they probably aren’t going to pull down the Cenotaph as a symbol of slavery or whatever.
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 45,743
    ydoethur said:

    Police Use of Face Recognition Is Sweeping the UK
    Face recognition technology has been controversial for years. Cops in the UK are drastically increasing the amount they use it.

    https://www.wired.co.uk/article/uk-police-face-recognition-expansion

    If police officers are finally learning to distinguish between faces so they don't keep framing the wrong people, that might be a sign of progress.
    Sigh. Just No.

    Imagine giving the DfE the technology. What could go right?
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    Foxy said:

    ydoethur said:

    Police Use of Face Recognition Is Sweeping the UK
    Face recognition technology has been controversial for years. Cops in the UK are drastically increasing the amount they use it.

    https://www.wired.co.uk/article/uk-police-face-recognition-expansion

    If police officers are finally learning to distinguish between faces so they don't keep framing the wrong people, that might be a sign of progress.
    If a computer recognises someone and they are prosecuted on the basis that the computer is never wrong, are we learning nothing from the Post Office scandal?
    One of the more intriguing aspects of the scandal is how the Law Commission came to rule that computer evidence could not be challenged.

    Are we to see some backtracking....or even an apology? Don't hold your breath.
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 33,286
    Re Badenoch's upset, obviously I don't know the details but, ffs, doesn't she think her friend might have some responsibility too? Or does Gove have some superhero power that means once he fancies someone they are powerless to resist?
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    Re Badenoch's upset, obviously I don't know the details but, ffs, doesn't she think her friend might have some responsibility too? Or does Gove have some superhero power that means once he fancies someone they are powerless to resist?

    The issue is that Badenoch's friend is married, had a fling with Gove, left her husband, then her affair with Gove ended.

    So her mate's marriage is ruined thanks to Gove.

    Do not upset the sister from another mister.
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    Wisden's Ben Gardner: As far as I can tell, if England bat first, 168 is the maximum they can make to keep Pakistan theoretically in the contest. Then six a ball for 29 balls would take Pakistan to 174, which would see them just overtake New Zealand on net run rate.
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 33,286
    tlg86 said:

    Foxy said:

    Counter protesters to pro-Palestine march will be allowed around Cenotaph, Met Police say
    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/pro-palestinian-rally-armistice-day-met-police-gaza-security-suella-braverman-b1119455.html

    Without fear or favour?

    Considering the Palestine march is never closer than a mile away, that seems a convenient way of segregating the protests.
    Yes, with a bit of luck then it should all be okay. Railway stations are probably the biggest worry today. Hoping Waterloo will be okay after the game today.
    All reasonable people will be hoping for a peaceful weekend; a tiny minority of nutters will be hoping for a lot of trouble.

    Interesting question: what will Braverman be hoping for? If there's trouble she's 'vindicated' in her own eyes and safe (never mind that she's upped the rhetoric levels so probably contributed to causing trouble).

    One prediction: Leon will be on here at some point highlighting even the slightest issue.
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    HeathenerHeathener Posts: 6,712
    edited November 2023
    What a mess this all is. I agree with @TSE that this is worse than 1992-7. In the most fundamental way, the state of Britain, it is FAR worse than back then.

    So whenever we think Starmer is no Blair, which he isn’t, we need to remember that the country is in a mess in a way it simply wasn’t back then.

    I just don’t see how we can go on for another 12 months like this? Seriously?

    p.s. good morning all x
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 45,743
    ydoethur said:

    Foxy said:

    Badenoch once looked like the future. She now looks past her sell by date.

    Never mind the sex silliness. She's the minister responsible for the Post Office. Where has she been during the scandal?

    Nowhere, which is where she is going fast.

    Braverman is just a nasty piece of work who is driving the Party to the right at at time when it is leaking votes to the centre. She can only be doing this for her own self interest. She is placing herself to lead the much diminished Tory Party after the GE.

    This Government has lost interest in governing. It is a zombie. We can only wait for it to be exterminated, and hope it doesn't do too much damage in the meantime.

    Royal Mail looks like taking a leaf out of the Post Office’s book with the furore over stamps! Where there really that many forgeries?
    It's almost as if privatising every public service isn't a great move.

    Meanwhile in Sweden:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/10/swedens-schools-minister-declares-free-school-system-failure

    Ugh.

    Don't know enough about the details to make a truly informed judgement, but just on what she's saying my skin's creeping.

    There are alarming echoes of the way Gove approached education (even if her policies are the opposite) and we all know how well that ended.
    The Free Schools in the U.K. are funded much closer to the “bog standard comps”. Entrance is by catchment area (with a small amount of skills access - the local one is allowed to offer a small number of places on musical ability)

    The big complaint from the “educational professionals” at the DfE is lack of diversity. Which doesn’t mean what it means.

    They measure diversity by the number of children eligible for free school meals.

    The idea of the Free Schools was to attract parents back to the state sector from the private sector. The local one has succeeded in this. Which of course, means that the ratio of those eligible for free school meals is lower than other schools in the area.

    So they are being upset by success.

    It should warm the hearts of the anti-private school types here to see the social mixing at the place.
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    Badenoch’s problem in the coming leadership farrago is that anything she can do, Suella will do more loudly and obnoxiously.
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 33,286
    edited November 2023

    Re Badenoch's upset, obviously I don't know the details but, ffs, doesn't she think her friend might have some responsibility too? Or does Gove have some superhero power that means once he fancies someone they are powerless to resist?

    The issue is that Badenoch's friend is married, had a fling with Gove, left her husband, then her affair with Gove ended.

    So her mate's marriage is ruined thanks to Gove her mate's infidelity.

    Do not upset the sister from another mister.
    Ftfy
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 68,412

    ydoethur said:

    Police Use of Face Recognition Is Sweeping the UK
    Face recognition technology has been controversial for years. Cops in the UK are drastically increasing the amount they use it.

    https://www.wired.co.uk/article/uk-police-face-recognition-expansion

    If police officers are finally learning to distinguish between faces so they don't keep framing the wrong people, that might be a sign of progress.
    Sigh. Just No.

    Imagine giving the DfE the technology. What could go right?
    I think you've missed the gentle sarcasm of my post...
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    Counter protesters to pro-Palestine march will be allowed around Cenotaph, Met Police say
    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/pro-palestinian-rally-armistice-day-met-police-gaza-security-suella-braverman-b1119455.html

    Without fear or favour?

    The idea is to keep the two marches well apart. As in miles.

    There’s only so much central London.

    A factor in that is the tube lines and other public transport. Otherwise you will get protestors and counter protestors arriving/leaving in the same tube trains
    /bus lines. So that further constrains the march locations.

    The counter protestors claim to be old fashioned patriots so they probably aren’t going to pull down the Cenotaph as a symbol of slavery or whatever.
    That is indeed the police rationale but if I were a Russian troll charged with stirring things up, this obvious difference between treatment of groups of demonstrators would be first on the list. Second would be that it is the counter-demonstrators and not the marchers who have been talking about violence. Third would be the political differences between the groups. Fourth racial differences.
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 45,743
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Police Use of Face Recognition Is Sweeping the UK
    Face recognition technology has been controversial for years. Cops in the UK are drastically increasing the amount they use it.

    https://www.wired.co.uk/article/uk-police-face-recognition-expansion

    If police officers are finally learning to distinguish between faces so they don't keep framing the wrong people, that might be a sign of progress.
    Sigh. Just No.

    Imagine giving the DfE the technology. What could go right?
    I think you've missed the gentle sarcasm of my post...
    I was worried that a write-only mind at the DfE might miss it and install facial recognition in all schools by Tuesday.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,358

    Re Badenoch's upset, obviously I don't know the details but, ffs, doesn't she think her friend might have some responsibility too? Or does Gove have some superhero power that means once he fancies someone they are powerless to resist?

    The issue is that Badenoch's friend is married, had a fling with Gove, left her husband, then her affair with Gove ended.

    So her mate's marriage is ruined thanks to Gove.

    Do not upset the sister from another mister.
    There's only a single detail of that that I find very mildly surprising
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    HeathenerHeathener Posts: 6,712
    edited November 2023

    Wisden's Ben Gardner: As far as I can tell, if England bat first, 168 is the maximum they can make to keep Pakistan theoretically in the contest. Then six a ball for 29 balls would take Pakistan to 174, which would see them just overtake New Zealand on net run rate.

    It’s been a bit of a strange competition so far. Although the current top 4 are probably the right ones, and there have been some stellar performances e.g. Afghanistan’s team and the Glen Maxwell extraordinaire, there are some problems it seems to me:

    1. There haven’t been many close games. Maybe the 50 over format just cannot stand up to the excitement of IPL 20 overs any more? The 2019 men’s final was amazing but this tournament has seen very few close matches.

    2. The one group format of everyone playing everyone is pretty tedious. Although the men’s world cup rugby got the seeding all wrong, their two group system was intrinsically far more exciting.

    3. It seems a bit bizarre to me that after such a lengthy process it will now come down to a straight one-game knockout. If India, who have excelled, have one poor performance next week they’re out. Surely after so much faff we could have had a 2 game semi / final or at least do what the IPL does and have their rather cool playoff format? 1st and 2nd play each other, with the winner going through to the final. Then the winner of 3rd v 4th plays the loser of 1st v 2nd for the chance to make the final. A rather fairer format really.


    (NB in a 2 match knockout format if both sides register a win apiece then the winner is decided by net run rate)
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 68,412
    edited November 2023

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Police Use of Face Recognition Is Sweeping the UK
    Face recognition technology has been controversial for years. Cops in the UK are drastically increasing the amount they use it.

    https://www.wired.co.uk/article/uk-police-face-recognition-expansion

    If police officers are finally learning to distinguish between faces so they don't keep framing the wrong people, that might be a sign of progress.
    Sigh. Just No.

    Imagine giving the DfE the technology. What could go right?
    I think you've missed the gentle sarcasm of my post...
    I was worried that a write-only mind at the DfE might miss it and install facial recognition in all schools by Tuesday.
    If the DfE tried to install FRT, it would be programmed only to look at arses.*

    This would of course make no difference to it recognising the DfE as they are all arses.

    *sounds like a safeguarding breach in itself!
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    And in the shortish term, there's not a lot Rishi can do. Whatever he does about Suella will infuriate a chunk of his party.

    And he can't even realistically call a General Election. Partly because he is doing so badly, but also because an election called Monday would land just before Christmas.

    The monkey's paw is claiming another victim.

    As much as I do hope that the Tories would do this, given that the government is clapped out, completely out of ideas and more interested in who the next Tory LOTO is than actually governing, I think we all sadly know that we are going to be enduring this for a while yet.

    If we are lucky they might call it in May. There are still some logical reasons why they might.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,358
    Pulpstar said:

    Re Badenoch's upset, obviously I don't know the details but, ffs, doesn't she think her friend might have some responsibility too? Or does Gove have some superhero power that means once he fancies someone they are powerless to resist?

    The issue is that Badenoch's friend is married, had a fling with Gove, left her husband, then her affair with Gove ended.

    So her mate's marriage is ruined thanks to Gove.

    Do not upset the sister from another mister.
    There's only a single detail of that that I find very mildly surprising
    Though it was probably a coin toss for old Govey
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 45,743
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Police Use of Face Recognition Is Sweeping the UK
    Face recognition technology has been controversial for years. Cops in the UK are drastically increasing the amount they use it.

    https://www.wired.co.uk/article/uk-police-face-recognition-expansion

    If police officers are finally learning to distinguish between faces so they don't keep framing the wrong people, that might be a sign of progress.
    Sigh. Just No.

    Imagine giving the DfE the technology. What could go right?
    I think you've missed the gentle sarcasm of my post...
    I was worried that a write-only mind at the DfE might miss it and install facial recognition in all schools by Tuesday.
    If the DfE tried to install FRT, it would be programmed only to look at arses.*

    This would of course make no difference to it recognising the DfE as they are all arses.

    *sounds like a safeguarding breach in itself!
    As a government computer project, it would obviously go hideously wrong.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 118,363
    If Tory members alone picked the next leader then Badenoch or Braverman would be strong contenders still. However MPs pick the final two so candidates like Steve Barclay are also contenders to be Leader of the Opposition if Sunak loses the next general election
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    Heathener said:

    What a mess this all is. I agree with @TSE that this is worse than 1992-7. In the most fundamental way, the state of Britain, it is FAR worse than back then.

    So whenever we think Starmer is no Blair, which he isn’t, we need to remember that the country is in a mess in a way it simply wasn’t back then.

    I just don’t see how we can go on for another 12 months like this? Seriously?

    p.s. good morning all x

    It's the "another twelve months" bit that bothers me.

    More likely than not, it will continue, because there will never be a not-terrible time for Rishi to call an election. But neither he, nor his government, are in any state to run the country. Not even at the level of "keep things going and clear up some of the mess for the next lot."
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    ydoethur said:

    I could really have done without that mental image of Braverman having sex Game of Thrones style. Particularly given the last line of the header...

    Hey, you should have seen the first draft.

    I display great subtetly in the published version.
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 45,743

    Counter protesters to pro-Palestine march will be allowed around Cenotaph, Met Police say
    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/pro-palestinian-rally-armistice-day-met-police-gaza-security-suella-braverman-b1119455.html

    Without fear or favour?

    The idea is to keep the two marches well apart. As in miles.

    There’s only so much central London.

    A factor in that is the tube lines and other public transport. Otherwise you will get protestors and counter protestors arriving/leaving in the same tube trains
    /bus lines. So that further constrains the march locations.

    The counter protestors claim to be old fashioned patriots so they probably aren’t going to pull down the Cenotaph as a symbol of slavery or whatever.
    That is indeed the police rationale but if I were a Russian troll charged with stirring things up, this obvious difference between treatment of groups of demonstrators would be first on the list. Second would be that it is the counter-demonstrators and not the marchers who have been talking about violence. Third would be the political differences between the groups. Fourth racial differences.
    Well, you did seem rather interested in an anti-vax story just the other day…

    1) A plane crashes on the Ukrainian/Republic of China border. Which side do you bury the survivors?
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 28,662
    Heathener said:

    Wisden's Ben Gardner: As far as I can tell, if England bat first, 168 is the maximum they can make to keep Pakistan theoretically in the contest. Then six a ball for 29 balls would take Pakistan to 174, which would see them just overtake New Zealand on net run rate.

    It’s been a bit of a strange competition so far. Although the current top 4 are probably the right ones, and there have been some stellar performances e.g. Afghanistan’s team and the Glen Maxwell extraordinaire, but there are some problems it seems to me:

    1. There haven’t been many close games. Maybe the 50 over format just cannot stand up to the excitement of IPL 20 overs any more? The 2019 men’s final was amazing but this tournament has seen very few close matches.

    2. The one group format of everyone playing everyone is pretty tedious. Although the men’s world cup rugby got the seeding all wrong, their two group system was intrinsically far more exciting.

    3. It seems a bit bizarre to me that after such a lengthy process it will now come down to a straight one-game knockout. If India, who have excelled, have one poor performance next week they’re out. Surely after so much faff we could have had a 2 game semi / final or at least do what the IPL does and have their rather cool playoff format? 1st and 2nd play each other, with the winner going through to the final. Then the winner of 3rd v 4th plays the loser of 1st v 2nd for the chance to make the final. A rather fairer format really.


    (NB in a 2 match knockout format if both sides register a win apiece then the winner is decided by net run rate)
    This is the last one under this system.
    The next two will have 14 teams in two groups with top three in each making the super six.
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    Re Badenoch's upset, obviously I don't know the details but, ffs, doesn't she think her friend might have some responsibility too? Or does Gove have some superhero power that means once he fancies someone they are powerless to resist?

    The issue is that Badenoch's friend is married, had a fling with Gove, left her husband, then her affair with Gove ended.

    So her mate's marriage is ruined thanks to Gove her mate's infidelity.

    Do not upset the sister from another mister.
    Ftfy
    The heart wants what the heart wants.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 68,412

    ydoethur said:

    I could really have done without that mental image of Braverman having sex Game of Thrones style. Particularly given the last line of the header...

    Hey, you should have seen the first draft.

    I display great subtetly in the published version.
    Just so long as Braverman and Sunak aren't displaying anything.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 68,412
    dixiedean said:

    Heathener said:

    Wisden's Ben Gardner: As far as I can tell, if England bat first, 168 is the maximum they can make to keep Pakistan theoretically in the contest. Then six a ball for 29 balls would take Pakistan to 174, which would see them just overtake New Zealand on net run rate.

    It’s been a bit of a strange competition so far. Although the current top 4 are probably the right ones, and there have been some stellar performances e.g. Afghanistan’s team and the Glen Maxwell extraordinaire, but there are some problems it seems to me:

    1. There haven’t been many close games. Maybe the 50 over format just cannot stand up to the excitement of IPL 20 overs any more? The 2019 men’s final was amazing but this tournament has seen very few close matches.

    2. The one group format of everyone playing everyone is pretty tedious. Although the men’s world cup rugby got the seeding all wrong, their two group system was intrinsically far more exciting.

    3. It seems a bit bizarre to me that after such a lengthy process it will now come down to a straight one-game knockout. If India, who have excelled, have one poor performance next week they’re out. Surely after so much faff we could have had a 2 game semi / final or at least do what the IPL does and have their rather cool playoff format? 1st and 2nd play each other, with the winner going through to the final. Then the winner of 3rd v 4th plays the loser of 1st v 2nd for the chance to make the final. A rather fairer format really.


    (NB in a 2 match knockout format if both sides register a win apiece then the winner is decided by net run rate)
    This is the last one under this system.
    The next two will have 14 teams in two groups with top three in each making the super six. won't happen as ODIs are a dead format.
    FTFY
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 118,363
    Foxy said:

    Badenoch once looked like the future. She now looks past her sell by date.

    Never mind the sex silliness. She's the minister responsible for the Post Office. Where has she been during the scandal?

    Nowhere, which is where she is going fast.

    Braverman is just a nasty piece of work who is driving the Party to the right at at time when it is leaking votes to the centre. She can only be doing this for her own self interest. She is placing herself to lead the much diminished Tory Party after the GE.

    This Government has lost interest in governing. It is a zombie. We can only wait for it to be exterminated, and hope it doesn't do too much damage in the meantime.

    Royal Mail looks like taking a leaf out of the Post Office’s book with the furore over stamps! Where there really that many forgeries?
    It's almost as if privatising every public service isn't a great move.

    Meanwhile in Sweden:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/10/swedens-schools-minister-declares-free-school-system-failure

    Swedish Unions produce a report attacking free schools as giving too much parental choice and making a profit and being successful shock.


    Clueless Liberal Minister then backs them, the PM is from the conservative Moderates who brought in this successful scheme and should sack her
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 68,412

    Re Badenoch's upset, obviously I don't know the details but, ffs, doesn't she think her friend might have some responsibility too? Or does Gove have some superhero power that means once he fancies someone they are powerless to resist?

    The issue is that Badenoch's friend is married, had a fling with Gove, left her husband, then her affair with Gove ended.

    So her mate's marriage is ruined thanks to Gove her mate's infidelity.

    Do not upset the sister from another mister.
    Ftfy
    The heart wants what the heart wants.
    Any heart that wants Gove is a heart that needs a new beat.
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    CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 41,200

    Badenoch once looked like the future. She now looks past her sell by date.

    Never mind the sex silliness. She's the minister responsible for the Post Office. Where has she been during the scandal?

    Nowhere, which is where she is going fast.

    Braverman is just a nasty piece of work who is driving the Party to the right at at time when it is leaking votes to the centre. She can only be doing this for her own self interest. She is placing herself to lead the much diminished Tory Party after the GE.

    This Government has lost interest in governing. It is a zombie. We can only wait for it to be exterminated, and hope it doesn't do too much damage in the meantime.

    Royal Mail looks like taking a leaf out of the Post Office’s book with the furore over stamps! Where there really that many forgeries?
    Indeed, and add to that the £2.50 fine on the *recipient* for unbarcoded stamps of the right money (but £1.50 for barcoded of the wrong money). S ome prize nuggets:

    'Some of the new barcoded stamps have also been declared counterfeit by Royal Mail, which has issued fines to unwitting recipients. In March, constituents in Brighton were charged a £2.50 fine to receive Labour party leaflets after Royal Mail insisted the party had used fake stamps for a campaign mailshot. Critics have accused the company of ignoring problems with its barcode scanning technology.

    [...]

    'Customers who contacted Guardian Money say they have been accused of potential criminality after their stamps were confiscated by Royal Mail, which insisted they had already been used or were counterfeit.

    Some who sent in high-value batches say they have been left hundreds of pounds out of pocket.

    Sheila Spelsby from London says she was informed that it was a criminal offence to use fraudulent stamps when she attempted to replace a batch of seven first- and second-class stamps under the scheme.

    “Royal Mail claims that my stamps, which were bought from my local post office, are ‘either used or fraudulent’ – they should surely be able to state which,” she says.

    “When I complained, the stamps were inspected again, with the same conclusion. I then complained to the supposedly independent Postal Review Panel [the final stage in Royal Mail’s complaints handling process], which confirmed that my ‘six first-class stamps were either used or fraudulent’. I did not send six first-class stamps! I was told that as it is a criminal offence to use fraudulent stamps, they would not be returned to me. I now stand accused of criminal behaviour while Royal Mail confiscates the evidence.”'

    https://www.theguardian.com/money/2023/nov/11/royal-mail-stamp-swap-customers-were-sent-warnings
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 21,309

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Police Use of Face Recognition Is Sweeping the UK
    Face recognition technology has been controversial for years. Cops in the UK are drastically increasing the amount they use it.

    https://www.wired.co.uk/article/uk-police-face-recognition-expansion

    If police officers are finally learning to distinguish between faces so they don't keep framing the wrong people, that might be a sign of progress.
    Sigh. Just No.

    Imagine giving the DfE the technology. What could go right?
    I think you've missed the gentle sarcasm of my post...
    I was worried that a write-only mind at the DfE might miss it and install facial recognition in all schools by Tuesday.
    It would save time taking the register.
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 21,309
    Pulpstar said:

    Re Badenoch's upset, obviously I don't know the details but, ffs, doesn't she think her friend might have some responsibility too? Or does Gove have some superhero power that means once he fancies someone they are powerless to resist?

    The issue is that Badenoch's friend is married, had a fling with Gove, left her husband, then her affair with Gove ended.

    So her mate's marriage is ruined thanks to Gove.

    Do not upset the sister from another mister.
    There's only a single detail of that that I find very mildly surprising
    I was thinking the same thing.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,358
    Australia have one of the easier "Who to drop" decisions in the semis for when Starc and Maxwell return tbf, though Abbott perhaps ahead of Stoinis now
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    HeathenerHeathener Posts: 6,712
    dixiedean said:

    Heathener said:

    Wisden's Ben Gardner: As far as I can tell, if England bat first, 168 is the maximum they can make to keep Pakistan theoretically in the contest. Then six a ball for 29 balls would take Pakistan to 174, which would see them just overtake New Zealand on net run rate.

    It’s been a bit of a strange competition so far. Although the current top 4 are probably the right ones, and there have been some stellar performances e.g. Afghanistan’s team and the Glen Maxwell extraordinaire, but there are some problems it seems to me:

    1. There haven’t been many close games. Maybe the 50 over format just cannot stand up to the excitement of IPL 20 overs any more? The 2019 men’s final was amazing but this tournament has seen very few close matches.

    2. The one group format of everyone playing everyone is pretty tedious. Although the men’s world cup rugby got the seeding all wrong, their two group system was intrinsically far more exciting.

    3. It seems a bit bizarre to me that after such a lengthy process it will now come down to a straight one-game knockout. If India, who have excelled, have one poor performance next week they’re out. Surely after so much faff we could have had a 2 game semi / final or at least do what the IPL does and have their rather cool playoff format? 1st and 2nd play each other, with the winner going through to the final. Then the winner of 3rd v 4th plays the loser of 1st v 2nd for the chance to make the final. A rather fairer format really.


    (NB in a 2 match knockout format if both sides register a win apiece then the winner is decided by net run rate)
    This is the last one under this system.
    The next two will have 14 teams in two groups with top three in each making the super six.
    Ah okay! I’m clearly not up to speed.

    Thanks for this, and it’s good.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 118,363

    ydoethur said:

    Foxy said:

    ydoethur said:

    Foxy said:

    Badenoch once looked like the future. She now looks past her sell by date.

    Never mind the sex silliness. She's the minister responsible for the Post Office. Where has she been during the scandal?

    Nowhere, which is where she is going fast.

    Braverman is just a nasty piece of work who is driving the Party to the right at at time when it is leaking votes to the centre. She can only be doing this for her own self interest. She is placing herself to lead the much diminished Tory Party after the GE.

    This Government has lost interest in governing. It is a zombie. We can only wait for it to be exterminated, and hope it doesn't do too much damage in the meantime.

    Royal Mail looks like taking a leaf out of the Post Office’s book with the furore over stamps! Where there really that many forgeries?
    They should be frank about the issue.
    We need to stamp this problem out.
    It certainly needs to be addressed.
    No need to get in a flap about it though.
    Trouble is that, whenever the Royal Mail comes up.with a plain to make more money, the government's response is just to let 'er.
    Royal Mail has to fund the universal service somehow and letters are less profitable than parcels
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    FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,175
    I understand the desire not to inflame tensions but at some point someone other than Braverman has got to point out the problem with these protests. That doesn't mean they should be stopped. But at least drawing attention to the odious elements of the PSC and SWP. As seen in multiple reactions to the 7 October attacks.
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    MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 26,187

    Counter protesters to pro-Palestine march will be allowed around Cenotaph, Met Police say
    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/pro-palestinian-rally-armistice-day-met-police-gaza-security-suella-braverman-b1119455.html

    Without fear or favour?

    Little Tommy Two-Names used to be viewed as a convicted violent racist. Now it seems he is bidding on behalf of the Government and Metropolitan police as a peacekeeper.

    We shall see.

    Strange days indeed.
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 21,309
    HYUFD said:

    If Tory members alone picked the next leader then Badenoch or Braverman would be strong contenders still. However MPs pick the final two so candidates like Steve Barclay are also contenders to be Leader of the Opposition if Sunak loses the next general election

    But you only need a third of the remaining Tory MPs to be swivel eyed loons to guarantee one of the nutters making the run off.

    And we know what happens next. We saw it last time.
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    MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 26,187
    Pulpstar said:

    Re Badenoch's upset, obviously I don't know the details but, ffs, doesn't she think her friend might have some responsibility too? Or does Gove have some superhero power that means once he fancies someone they are powerless to resist?

    The issue is that Badenoch's friend is married, had a fling with Gove, left her husband, then her affair with Gove ended.

    So her mate's marriage is ruined thanks to Gove.

    Do not upset the sister from another mister.
    There's only a single detail of that that I find very mildly surprising
    "Left HER husband"?
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    HeathenerHeathener Posts: 6,712
    ydoethur said:

    dixiedean said:

    Heathener said:

    Wisden's Ben Gardner: As far as I can tell, if England bat first, 168 is the maximum they can make to keep Pakistan theoretically in the contest. Then six a ball for 29 balls would take Pakistan to 174, which would see them just overtake New Zealand on net run rate.

    It’s been a bit of a strange competition so far. Although the current top 4 are probably the right ones, and there have been some stellar performances e.g. Afghanistan’s team and the Glen Maxwell extraordinaire, but there are some problems it seems to me:

    1. There haven’t been many close games. Maybe the 50 over format just cannot stand up to the excitement of IPL 20 overs any more? The 2019 men’s final was amazing but this tournament has seen very few close matches.

    2. The one group format of everyone playing everyone is pretty tedious. Although the men’s world cup rugby got the seeding all wrong, their two group system was intrinsically far more exciting.

    3. It seems a bit bizarre to me that after such a lengthy process it will now come down to a straight one-game knockout. If India, who have excelled, have one poor performance next week they’re out. Surely after so much faff we could have had a 2 game semi / final or at least do what the IPL does and have their rather cool playoff format? 1st and 2nd play each other, with the winner going through to the final. Then the winner of 3rd v 4th plays the loser of 1st v 2nd for the chance to make the final. A rather fairer format really.


    (NB in a 2 match knockout format if both sides register a win apiece then the winner is decided by net run rate)
    This is the last one under this system.
    The next two will have 14 teams in two groups with top three in each making the super six. won't happen as ODIs are a dead format.
    FTFY
    Had no idea what the acronym stood for.

    Can you expand on this rather than a dismissive comment that doesn’t really inform?

    I’m guessing that for all its success in expanding the game into previously unreached demographics, The Hundred isn’t going to catch on around the world. So if you are suggesting the 50 over format is dead, we would be left internationally with just test matches and 20 overs?

    What I find particularly interesting is how brilliant the South Africans have been off almost no backing or preparation from their national cricket board.

    You may be right, so I’m not necessarily disagreeing, but it needs some enlightened and careful debate, no?

    And I will just note that for donkeys’ years the Test Match format has been written off, only to confound everyone (including apparently the ECB) by producing stadium-packed thrillers.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,358
    Would the ICC launch an investigation if Woakes started his bowling 5w 5w 5w.... ?
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    I am reckoning he went to a JCL college like Robinson or Downing.

    A Cambridge historian said that?

    What does he think it was, a gentleman’s dining club?




    https://twitter.com/g_gosden/status/1722863076934848888
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    Counter protesters to pro-Palestine march will be allowed around Cenotaph, Met Police say
    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/pro-palestinian-rally-armistice-day-met-police-gaza-security-suella-braverman-b1119455.html

    Without fear or favour?

    Little Tommy Two-Names used to be viewed as a convicted violent racist. Now it seems he is bidding on behalf of the Government and Metropolitan police as a peacekeeper.

    We shall see.

    Strange days indeed.
    I guess the cenotaph is the one place they can trust him to behave himself. Although the thought of a bunch of coked up racist nobheads in pringle jerseys defiling the monument to the glorious dead is a bit sickening.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 51,049
    That was a very funny four wides.
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 45,743

    HYUFD said:

    If Tory members alone picked the next leader then Badenoch or Braverman would be strong contenders still. However MPs pick the final two so candidates like Steve Barclay are also contenders to be Leader of the Opposition if Sunak loses the next general election

    But you only need a third of the remaining Tory MPs to be swivel eyed loons to guarantee one of the nutters making the run off.

    And we know what happens next. We saw it last time.
    I forecast most of this, years ago, when that Sikh play got banned, because of a violent mob.

    Well, it wasn’t “banned” but the police put massive pressure on the theatre to pull it, including advising insurance companies to pull their insurances.

    My point was that once you start trading threats of violence for legal behaviour, you’ll get a bunch of nasty people brokering situations.
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    Counter protesters to pro-Palestine march will be allowed around Cenotaph, Met Police say
    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/pro-palestinian-rally-armistice-day-met-police-gaza-security-suella-braverman-b1119455.html

    Without fear or favour?

    Little Tommy Two-Names used to be viewed as a convicted violent racist. Now it seems he is bidding on behalf of the Government and Metropolitan police as a peacekeeper.

    We shall see.

    Strange days indeed.
    I guess the cenotaph is the one place they can trust him to behave himself. Although the thought of a bunch of coked up racist nobheads in pringle jerseys defiling the monument to the glorious dead is a bit sickening.
    Please, it is Stone Island they wear these days.
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    MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 26,187

    I understand the desire not to inflame tensions but at some point someone other than Braverman has got to point out the problem with these protests. That doesn't mean they should be stopped. But at least drawing attention to the odious elements of the PSC and SWP. As seen in multiple reactions to the 7 October attacks.

    And Suella has made the connection in her Times piece already but not from my vantage point, so I won't apologise for the crass conflation.

    Those howling at the pro-Palestinian marches as incendiary, would be the first to stand up for the right of Orangemen to march to Drumcree church via Garvaghy Road.
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    I am reckoning he went to a JCL college like Robinson or Downing.

    A Cambridge historian said that?

    What does he think it was, a gentleman’s dining club?




    https://twitter.com/g_gosden/status/1722863076934848888

    If stupidity could be harvested as an energy source we could just put all the British Right in a room together and power the country for the rest of time.
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    DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 25,474
    edited November 2023

    Counter protesters to pro-Palestine march will be allowed around Cenotaph, Met Police say
    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/pro-palestinian-rally-armistice-day-met-police-gaza-security-suella-braverman-b1119455.html

    Without fear or favour?

    The idea is to keep the two marches well apart. As in miles.

    There’s only so much central London.

    A factor in that is the tube lines and other public transport. Otherwise you will get protestors and counter protestors arriving/leaving in the same tube trains
    /bus lines. So that further constrains the march locations.

    The counter protestors claim to be old fashioned patriots so they probably aren’t going to pull down the Cenotaph as a symbol of slavery or whatever.
    That is indeed the police rationale but if I were a Russian troll charged with stirring things up, this obvious difference between treatment of groups of demonstrators would be first on the list. Second would be that it is the counter-demonstrators and not the marchers who have been talking about violence. Third would be the political differences between the groups. Fourth racial differences.
    Well, you did seem rather interested in an anti-vax story just the other day…

    1) A plane crashes on the Ukrainian/Republic of China border. Which side do you bury the survivors?
    I'm waiting for Uncle Vlad's payment for getting the whole of PB and Fleet Street complaining about Hi s Majesty's Royal Mail. Cheque's in the post. :wink:
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    Counter protesters to pro-Palestine march will be allowed around Cenotaph, Met Police say
    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/pro-palestinian-rally-armistice-day-met-police-gaza-security-suella-braverman-b1119455.html

    Without fear or favour?

    Little Tommy Two-Names used to be viewed as a convicted violent racist. Now it seems he is bidding on behalf of the Government and Metropolitan police as a peacekeeper.

    We shall see.

    Strange days indeed.
    I guess the cenotaph is the one place they can trust him to behave himself. Although the thought of a bunch of coked up racist nobheads in pringle jerseys defiling the monument to the glorious dead is a bit sickening.
    Please, it is Stone Island they wear these days.
    In my day the joke was "what's a pringle jumper and a clitoris got in common?"
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,358
    edited November 2023

    Counter protesters to pro-Palestine march will be allowed around Cenotaph, Met Police say
    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/pro-palestinian-rally-armistice-day-met-police-gaza-security-suella-braverman-b1119455.html

    Without fear or favour?

    Little Tommy Two-Names used to be viewed as a convicted violent racist. Now it seems he is bidding on behalf of the Government and Metropolitan police as a peacekeeper.

    We shall see.

    Strange days indeed.
    I guess the cenotaph is the one place they can trust him to behave himself. Although the thought of a bunch of coked up racist nobheads in pringle jerseys defiling the monument to the glorious dead is a bit sickening.
    Interestingly there seems to be a bit of a split on the far right over the Israel Palestine question

    Edit: Well quite an obvious one when you think about it
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 68,412
    edited November 2023
    Heathener said:

    ydoethur said:

    dixiedean said:

    Heathener said:

    Wisden's Ben Gardner: As far as I can tell, if England bat first, 168 is the maximum they can make to keep Pakistan theoretically in the contest. Then six a ball for 29 balls would take Pakistan to 174, which would see them just overtake New Zealand on net run rate.

    It’s been a bit of a strange competition so far. Although the current top 4 are probably the right ones, and there have been some stellar performances e.g. Afghanistan’s team and the Glen Maxwell extraordinaire, but there are some problems it seems to me:

    1. There haven’t been many close games. Maybe the 50 over format just cannot stand up to the excitement of IPL 20 overs any more? The 2019 men’s final was amazing but this tournament has seen very few close matches.

    2. The one group format of everyone playing everyone is pretty tedious. Although the men’s world cup rugby got the seeding all wrong, their two group system was intrinsically far more exciting.

    3. It seems a bit bizarre to me that after such a lengthy process it will now come down to a straight one-game knockout. If India, who have excelled, have one poor performance next week they’re out. Surely after so much faff we could have had a 2 game semi / final or at least do what the IPL does and have their rather cool playoff format? 1st and 2nd play each other, with the winner going through to the final. Then the winner of 3rd v 4th plays the loser of 1st v 2nd for the chance to make the final. A rather fairer format really.


    (NB in a 2 match knockout format if both sides register a win apiece then the winner is decided by net run rate)
    This is the last one under this system.
    The next two will have 14 teams in two groups with top three in each making the super six. won't happen as ODIs are a dead format.
    FTFY
    (3) Had no idea what the acronym stood for.

    Can you expand on this rather than a dismissive comment that doesn’t really inform?

    I’m guessing that for all its success in expanding the game into previously unreached demographics, The Hundred isn’t going to catch on around the world. (1) So if you are suggesting the 50 over format is dead, we would be left internationally with just test matches and 20 overs?

    What I find particularly interesting is how brilliant the South Africans have been off almost no backing or preparation from their national cricket board.

    You may be right, so I’m not necessarily disagreeing, (2) but it needs some enlightened and careful debate, no?

    And I will just note that for donkeys’ years the Test Match format has been written off, only to confound everyone (including apparently the ECB) by producing stadium-packed thrillers.
    (1) Yes

    (2) You think it will get that when being run by the ICC?

    (3) GIYF.
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 45,743
    Pulpstar said:

    Counter protesters to pro-Palestine march will be allowed around Cenotaph, Met Police say
    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/pro-palestinian-rally-armistice-day-met-police-gaza-security-suella-braverman-b1119455.html

    Without fear or favour?

    Little Tommy Two-Names used to be viewed as a convicted violent racist. Now it seems he is bidding on behalf of the Government and Metropolitan police as a peacekeeper.

    We shall see.

    Strange days indeed.
    I guess the cenotaph is the one place they can trust him to behave himself. Although the thought of a bunch of coked up racist nobheads in pringle jerseys defiling the monument to the glorious dead is a bit sickening.
    Interestingly there seems to be a bit of a split on the far right over the Israel Palestine question
    Hating Jews vs Hating Muslims - it must make their lives so hard, the poor dears. Two favourite things and having to choose….
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 21,309

    Counter protesters to pro-Palestine march will be allowed around Cenotaph, Met Police say
    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/pro-palestinian-rally-armistice-day-met-police-gaza-security-suella-braverman-b1119455.html

    Without fear or favour?

    Little Tommy Two-Names used to be viewed as a convicted violent racist. Now it seems he is bidding on behalf of the Government and Metropolitan police as a peacekeeper.

    We shall see.

    Strange days indeed.
    I guess the cenotaph is the one place they can trust him to behave himself. Although the thought of a bunch of coked up racist nobheads in pringle jerseys defiling the monument to the glorious dead is a bit sickening.
    Please, it is Stone Island they wear these days.
    The Pringle wearing casuals are now in their 50s and 60s.

    More likely to be having cocoa rather than coke.
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    dixiedean said:

    Foxy said:
    She's probs gone single to ensure Mikey Gove stays well away.
    Maybe she is the Badenoch friend we keep hearing about. Love across the barricades!

    This is not, of course, meant seriously :)
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 118,363

    I am reckoning he went to a JCL college like Robinson or Downing.

    A Cambridge historian said that?

    What does he think it was, a gentleman’s dining club?




    https://twitter.com/g_gosden/status/1722863076934848888

    Countries like Mozambique have certainly applied to join the Commonwealth even if they weren't in the British Empire maybe what he should have said
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    Counter protesters to pro-Palestine march will be allowed around Cenotaph, Met Police say
    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/pro-palestinian-rally-armistice-day-met-police-gaza-security-suella-braverman-b1119455.html

    Without fear or favour?

    Little Tommy Two-Names used to be viewed as a convicted violent racist. Now it seems he is bidding on behalf of the Government and Metropolitan police as a peacekeeper.

    We shall see.

    Strange days indeed.
    I guess the cenotaph is the one place they can trust him to behave himself. Although the thought of a bunch of coked up racist nobheads in pringle jerseys defiling the monument to the glorious dead is a bit sickening.
    Please, it is Stone Island they wear these days.
    Stuff like this is why I wear unbranded black for casual wear.

    Mind you this can also cause fun.

    Many years back, I was walking back from a riding lesson, through the centre of Oxford. People were looking at me on Cornmarket Street a bit funny.

    Then I realised that a black shirt, black riding jeans and black leather jackboots was a sartorial choice subject to multiple interpretations.
    Need to be careful with unbranded all black, uniform of antita, anti-capitalists, etc.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 78,218
    edited November 2023

    Counter protesters to pro-Palestine march will be allowed around Cenotaph, Met Police say
    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/pro-palestinian-rally-armistice-day-met-police-gaza-security-suella-braverman-b1119455.html

    Without fear or favour?

    Little Tommy Two-Names used to be viewed as a convicted violent racist. Now it seems he is bidding on behalf of the Government and Metropolitan police as a peacekeeper.

    We shall see.

    Strange days indeed.
    I guess the cenotaph is the one place they can trust him to behave himself. Although the thought of a bunch of coked up racist nobheads in pringle jerseys defiling the monument to the glorious dead is a bit sickening.
    Please, it is Stone Island they wear these days.
    Hackett was before that, which i always thought a strange choice for "casuals" to rally around.
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    Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,317

    Re Badenoch's upset, obviously I don't know the details but, ffs, doesn't she think her friend might have some responsibility too? Or does Gove have some superhero power that means once he fancies someone they are powerless to resist?

    The story, as presented, sounds like a load of arse. Why would she give a toss if Gove was pumping her mate full of Cambodian toothpaste? And even if said toss was given why would it make her less likely to be tory leader after the imminent electoral nabka?

    What does make her less like to be tory leader is that she is always going to be outdone by Swella when it comes to spewing nonsense that people who drink in flat roofed pubs will like.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 118,363

    HYUFD said:

    If Tory members alone picked the next leader then Badenoch or Braverman would be strong contenders still. However MPs pick the final two so candidates like Steve Barclay are also contenders to be Leader of the Opposition if Sunak loses the next general election

    But you only need a third of the remaining Tory MPs to be swivel eyed loons to guarantee one of the nutters making the run off.

    And we know what happens next. We saw it last time.
    Neither Braverman or Badenoch made even the final 3 with Tory MPs in last summer's leadership election despite Badenoch leading Tory members polls.

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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 68,412

    Counter protesters to pro-Palestine march will be allowed around Cenotaph, Met Police say
    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/pro-palestinian-rally-armistice-day-met-police-gaza-security-suella-braverman-b1119455.html

    Without fear or favour?

    Little Tommy Two-Names used to be viewed as a convicted violent racist. Now it seems he is bidding on behalf of the Government and Metropolitan police as a peacekeeper.

    We shall see.

    Strange days indeed.
    I guess the cenotaph is the one place they can trust him to behave himself. Although the thought of a bunch of coked up racist nobheads in pringle jerseys defiling the monument to the glorious dead is a bit sickening.
    Please, it is Stone Island they wear these days.
    Stuff like this is why I wear unbranded black for casual wear.

    Mind you this can also cause fun.

    Many years back, I was walking back from a riding lesson, through the centre of Oxford. People were looking at me on Cornmarket Street a bit funny.

    Then I realised that a black shirt, black riding jeans and black leather jackboots was a sartorial choice subject to multiple interpretations.
    When a postgrad, I went straight from work in a bar - uniform black shirt and trousers - to a research seminar.

    Only to find, to my horror, that it was on Oswald Mosley.

    When I asked a question afterwards, I began, 'I would like to make it clear this sartorial choice is an accident...'
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,833

    I am reckoning he went to a JCL college like Robinson or Downing.

    A Cambridge historian said that?

    What does he think it was, a gentleman’s dining club?




    https://twitter.com/g_gosden/status/1722863076934848888

    TBF I haven't read the article, and so might be wrong. But annoyingly often, the clickbait headlines do not match what the article says. Does his article actually say what the headline states?
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 78,218
    edited November 2023

    Pulpstar said:

    Counter protesters to pro-Palestine march will be allowed around Cenotaph, Met Police say
    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/pro-palestinian-rally-armistice-day-met-police-gaza-security-suella-braverman-b1119455.html

    Without fear or favour?

    Little Tommy Two-Names used to be viewed as a convicted violent racist. Now it seems he is bidding on behalf of the Government and Metropolitan police as a peacekeeper.

    We shall see.

    Strange days indeed.
    I guess the cenotaph is the one place they can trust him to behave himself. Although the thought of a bunch of coked up racist nobheads in pringle jerseys defiling the monument to the glorious dead is a bit sickening.
    Interestingly there seems to be a bit of a split on the far right over the Israel Palestine question
    Hating Jews vs Hating Muslims - it must make their lives so hard, the poor dears. Two favourite things and having to choose….
    Nick Griffin twitter feed is quite something to behold.
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    I understand the desire not to inflame tensions but at some point someone other than Braverman has got to point out the problem with these protests. That doesn't mean they should be stopped. But at least drawing attention to the odious elements of the PSC and SWP. As seen in multiple reactions to the 7 October attacks.

    And Suella has made the connection in her Times piece already but not from my vantage point, so I won't apologise for the crass conflation.

    Those howling at the pro-Palestinian marches as incendiary, would be the first to stand up for the right of Orangemen to march to Drumcree church via Garvaghy Road.
    Or the Pinkmen to march across the river Porkrain to Bumcree via the Garducky Road.
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    I am reckoning he went to a JCL college like Robinson or Downing.

    A Cambridge historian said that?

    What does he think it was, a gentleman’s dining club?




    https://twitter.com/g_gosden/status/1722863076934848888

    Didn't Nick Griffin go to Cambridge?

    :innocent:
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 45,743

    Counter protesters to pro-Palestine march will be allowed around Cenotaph, Met Police say
    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/pro-palestinian-rally-armistice-day-met-police-gaza-security-suella-braverman-b1119455.html

    Without fear or favour?

    Little Tommy Two-Names used to be viewed as a convicted violent racist. Now it seems he is bidding on behalf of the Government and Metropolitan police as a peacekeeper.

    We shall see.

    Strange days indeed.
    I guess the cenotaph is the one place they can trust him to behave himself. Although the thought of a bunch of coked up racist nobheads in pringle jerseys defiling the monument to the glorious dead is a bit sickening.
    Please, it is Stone Island they wear these days.
    Stuff like this is why I wear unbranded black for casual wear.

    Mind you this can also cause fun.

    Many years back, I was walking back from a riding lesson, through the centre of Oxford. People were looking at me on Cornmarket Street a bit funny.

    Then I realised that a black shirt, black riding jeans and black leather jackboots was a sartorial choice subject to multiple interpretations.
    Need to be careful with unbranded all black, uniform of antita, anti-capitalists, etc.
    I’m claiming it back for the unreconstructed metal heads.

    Our manifesto - we don’t give a shit about who you are, or what you are, just lose the ties and don’t spill the beer. And the music is never too loud.
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    Counter protesters to pro-Palestine march will be allowed around Cenotaph, Met Police say
    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/pro-palestinian-rally-armistice-day-met-police-gaza-security-suella-braverman-b1119455.html

    Without fear or favour?

    Little Tommy Two-Names used to be viewed as a convicted violent racist. Now it seems he is bidding on behalf of the Government and Metropolitan police as a peacekeeper.

    We shall see.

    Strange days indeed.
    Suella and Tommy on the same side in this debate?

    Just let that sink in...
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 45,743

    Pulpstar said:

    Counter protesters to pro-Palestine march will be allowed around Cenotaph, Met Police say
    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/pro-palestinian-rally-armistice-day-met-police-gaza-security-suella-braverman-b1119455.html

    Without fear or favour?

    Little Tommy Two-Names used to be viewed as a convicted violent racist. Now it seems he is bidding on behalf of the Government and Metropolitan police as a peacekeeper.

    We shall see.

    Strange days indeed.
    I guess the cenotaph is the one place they can trust him to behave himself. Although the thought of a bunch of coked up racist nobheads in pringle jerseys defiling the monument to the glorious dead is a bit sickening.
    Interestingly there seems to be a bit of a split on the far right over the Israel Palestine question
    Hating Jews vs Hating Muslims - it must make their lives so hard, the poor dears. Two favourite things and having to choose….
    Nick Griffin twitter feed is quite something to behold.
    I rather not behold it, if you don’t mind. Christ, that’s a sacrifice you made, looking at it.
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