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  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,918
    biggles said:

    On topic...

    If you key Savanta's numbers into Electoral Calculus you get 118 Tory MPs left after the GE.

    Now of course EC is a very blunt instrument and there are good reasons to think they will do vastly better on the day. There are however some reasons why they might actually do worse - tactical voting being one of the more obvious. I'll be very interested to see what kind totals the Spread firms put up when they get around to chalking up their boards. I suspect they will be operating huge overrounds.

    Btw, EC puts the LDs just ahead of the SNP at 30 seats versus 28. That's an important and interesting little contest in itself.

    In will preface this by noting that many people have lost a lot of money betting with their gut.


    However.

    It just doesn’t “feel” like 1997 or worse to me. It’s a tired Government and feels like 09/10, but I just don’t see the pure hatred there was in 1997.

    Similarly I think the Tories will seem to revive a bit quicker in opposition. That’s assuming they don’t stay in power, which I reckon is a 20% chance based on a Brown-esque recovery and Starmer not being Cameron.
    Indeed, the likely new Labour government will not face the happy economy of 1997 with low inflation, strong economic growth and low interest rates and a largely balanced budget and will have tough choices to make.

    I would expect therefore the Tories to be ahead in some of the polls again within a year of election defeat
  • TimSTimS Posts: 12,986
    algarkirk said:

    nico679 said:

    HYUFD said:

    nico679 said:

    Speaker McCarthy confirms he denied Zelenskyy’s request for an address before a joint session of Congress

    https://twitter.com/gabegutierrez/status/1704851523061096458

    The GOP are scum . Putin’s little helpers .
    Not all of them. Romney, Pence and Haley are tougher on Putin even than most Democrats
    Yes they carry the last flame of the decent GOP of Reagan etc who would have been extremely tough on Putin.

    Sadly that flame is dying. Pence could have been lynched, Romney is getting driven out of politics, Haley is laughed at.

    Reagan would be turning in his grave.
    If Russia wins that’s a green light for other hideous leaders to embark on an alleged “ special military operation “ .

    We’re just over a year away from a truly catastrophic scenario if Trump wins.

    Indeed

    {picks up map of France, starts marking the better wine regions}
    Better wine regions than France?

    Easy.

    Lets start alphabetically: Argentina, Australia ...

    nico679 said:

    HYUFD said:

    nico679 said:

    Speaker McCarthy confirms he denied Zelenskyy’s request for an address before a joint session of Congress

    https://twitter.com/gabegutierrez/status/1704851523061096458

    The GOP are scum . Putin’s little helpers .
    Not all of them. Romney, Pence and Haley are tougher on Putin even than most Democrats
    Yes they carry the last flame of the decent GOP of Reagan etc who would have been extremely tough on Putin.

    Sadly that flame is dying. Pence could have been lynched, Romney is getting driven out of politics, Haley is laughed at.

    Reagan would be turning in his grave.
    If Russia wins that’s a green light for other hideous leaders to embark on an alleged “ special military operation “ .

    We’re just over a year away from a truly catastrophic scenario if Trump wins.

    Indeed

    {picks up map of France, starts marking the better wine regions}
    Better wine regions than France?

    Easy.

    Lets start alphabetically: Argentina, Australia ...
    You forgot Albania (especially the Vlosh of SW Albania) and Andorra (a bit niche).
    Armenia, one of the most ancient wine making regions.
  • carnforth said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Just seen this on an envelope

    How long ago did we celebrate natural gas on a stamp?


    We should celebrate natural gas! It's clean, efficient, abundant, (usually) cheap and very good at providing intermittent power.

    Until renewables are so abundant, and our energy storage incredibly bountiful, it is the perfect way to generate electricity. (And, for that matter, good scrambled eggs.)
    Making good scrambled eggs in a holiday rental on the first morning with a bad electric stove, bad frying pan and bad implements is a key life skill.
    You can make great scrambled egg in a microwave.
    Don't own one, so that'd be an issue.

    Never use it anyway, so when our last one died (which we detected because it was not displaying the time anymore, not because of trying to use it), decided not to replace it. Frees up counter space anyway not replacing it. :)
    It has its uses but if you're not using it don't replace, I'm all for that.

    Not accusing you of this but there is a whiff of snobbery about some of those who pull a face at the thought of using a microwave. Aside from anything else it's easily the most energy efficient method of cooking.
    We use our Air Fryer for the vast majority of our cooking. That's a huge energy efficiency bonus over ovens etc - and a very large variety of things can be cooked in it, almost anything that can be cooked in an oven can be cooked in our Air Fryer at a fraction of the electricity and much quicker.
    How so? An air fryer is just an oven.
    Mostly because it's small- there's less air and oven wall to heat up alongside the food.

    The fan oven/hairdryer effect (good air circulation means you can get the same cooking at a lower oven temperature) is better as well with a smaller box.
    You also reduce the the time as well as the cooking temperature, hence why they are so ecomical

    I expect built in ovens will become a thing of the past in time
    It would be good to think so (or have built in air fryers), but I suspect history doesn't point that way.

    Take cars. Most of us, most of the year, use cars for shortish journeys. Current electric cars, charged overnight on the mains, can meet that need pretty well already. Range anxiety is about a handful of trips a year for most people.

    Or houses, where people like to have a guest room or two just in case.

    People like to possess and use the biggest thing possible - it gives security. Even if it's not objectively the best tool for the job.
  • BBC is highlighting a complaint from a woman in the US re Russell Brand and alleged exposing himself to her
  • TimSTimS Posts: 12,986

    carnforth said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Just seen this on an envelope

    How long ago did we celebrate natural gas on a stamp?


    We should celebrate natural gas! It's clean, efficient, abundant, (usually) cheap and very good at providing intermittent power.

    Until renewables are so abundant, and our energy storage incredibly bountiful, it is the perfect way to generate electricity. (And, for that matter, good scrambled eggs.)
    Making good scrambled eggs in a holiday rental on the first morning with a bad electric stove, bad frying pan and bad implements is a key life skill.
    You can make great scrambled egg in a microwave.
    Don't own one, so that'd be an issue.

    Never use it anyway, so when our last one died (which we detected because it was not displaying the time anymore, not because of trying to use it), decided not to replace it. Frees up counter space anyway not replacing it. :)
    It has its uses but if you're not using it don't replace, I'm all for that.

    Not accusing you of this but there is a whiff of snobbery about some of those who pull a face at the thought of using a microwave. Aside from anything else it's easily the most energy efficient method of cooking.
    We use our Air Fryer for the vast majority of our cooking. That's a huge energy efficiency bonus over ovens etc - and a very large variety of things can be cooked in it, almost anything that can be cooked in an oven can be cooked in our Air Fryer at a fraction of the electricity and much quicker.
    How so? An air fryer is just an oven.
    Not sure what you mean? Almost anything that would require cooking in an oven, we cook in the air fryer. Ours also acts as a rotisserie etc too for roasting chickens. Oven is only used for major meals like Christmas, or something physically too big to fit which isn't much.

    Between hobs and air fryer that probably deals with about 95% of our cooking.
    Well sure, you have a hob and two ovens; one oven sits on the worktop where that microwave used to be. That's fine but the air fryer is only a fan oven by another name.

    If we didn't already have two fan ovens we might think about an air fryer but why bother? Plus, we like to keep the worktops clear of clutter.

    My point was that a microwave is a very efficient way of cooking, certainly more efficient than an air fryer or any fan oven for that matter. It's not going to cook chips or roast a chicken but then an air fryer is not going to cook scrambled eggs.
    Oh you mean what's the difference between a fan oven and the air fryer? The air fryer is massively more energy efficient. Have our smart meter display in the kitchen and can see a huge difference between having the oven on and the air fryer on.

    Three reasons why.

    1: The air fryer cooks quicker than a conventional fan oven does. Food that may take 25 minutes to cook in a fan oven can cook in 15 minutes in the air fryer.
    2: The oven takes much more power to operate per minute than the air fryer does.
    3: The oven needs to pre-heat on top of the cooking time, the air fryer doesn't need to.

    Putting on an air fryer for 15 minutes versus a conventional fan oven for 25 minutes + 5 minutes to pre-heat uses probably around a quarter to a third of the electricity to cook the food in my experience.
    Time for Sunak to take a stand and scrap plans to force all new ovens from 2030 to be air fryers.

    In fact he should rule out plans to require seven air fryers in each household.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,051

    BBC is highlighting a complaint from a woman in the US re Russell Brand and alleged exposing himself to her

    Where does he live these days? There or here?
  • carnforth said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Just seen this on an envelope

    How long ago did we celebrate natural gas on a stamp?


    We should celebrate natural gas! It's clean, efficient, abundant, (usually) cheap and very good at providing intermittent power.

    Until renewables are so abundant, and our energy storage incredibly bountiful, it is the perfect way to generate electricity. (And, for that matter, good scrambled eggs.)
    Making good scrambled eggs in a holiday rental on the first morning with a bad electric stove, bad frying pan and bad implements is a key life skill.
    You can make great scrambled egg in a microwave.
    Don't own one, so that'd be an issue.

    Never use it anyway, so when our last one died (which we detected because it was not displaying the time anymore, not because of trying to use it), decided not to replace it. Frees up counter space anyway not replacing it. :)
    It has its uses but if you're not using it don't replace, I'm all for that.

    Not accusing you of this but there is a whiff of snobbery about some of those who pull a face at the thought of using a microwave. Aside from anything else it's easily the most energy efficient method of cooking.
    We use our Air Fryer for the vast majority of our cooking. That's a huge energy efficiency bonus over ovens etc - and a very large variety of things can be cooked in it, almost anything that can be cooked in an oven can be cooked in our Air Fryer at a fraction of the electricity and much quicker.
    We have two air fryers, one a double and the other an air fryer oven and do not use our conventional oven at all

    It is very cost effective and I noticed M & S had put air fryer instructions on one of their products.

    I expect this will become widespread practice much as microwave instructions have.
    Iceland have started doing the same with most of their own brand things too.

    Hopefully it does become ubiquitous. My general rule of thumb has been to just estimate less time and then go from there.
  • Penddu2Penddu2 Posts: 689

    TimS said:

    TimS said:

    TimS said:

    Seen Sunak's new video released today. Where he announces he's abolishing seven bins and meat tax.

    He's going full Johnson. Blatant lies, gambling that the voting public is thick.

    Will it work? I think much depends on how journalists, and opposition, deal with it. As Johnson and Trump showed it can be very difficult dealing with a liar if they really double down on it.

    As I said earlier we have 7 bins from the local authority

    Paper waste - weekly
    Plastic - weekly
    Cardboard and glass - weekly
    Food - weekly
    Main Bin - once a month
    Garden waste (2) - fortnightly - (pay extra £52 pa)
    And Sunak's announcement means what? You will no longer have 7 bins? Of course not: the council have decided that's what they want to do so that's what they'll keep doing.

    Don't fall for this shit. The law as crafted proposes that waste be separated into 7 streams unless councils decide they are able to manage it in mixed streams, which of course most can.

    So I have 4 bins - mixed recycling, waste, food caddy, and optional garden waste - and that's what I will keep having.

    Or do you think the government should force councils to mix it up all together and dump it off the Lleyn Peninsula?
    I find it amusing at how rattled many are over Sunak's announcement yesterday, and the irony of some now saying Johnson was to be congratulated on his green policies when the same people were demanding his resignation (correctly)

    I do not expect much change in the polls but certainty the starting gun has been fired on the next GE and who knows where this goes

    And by the way it is the Llyn Peninsular
    Isn't it Llyn if you have one of those fancy ys with a circumflex on it, and Lleyn if you don't (like Muller with an umlaut vs Mueller if not)?
    Commonly known as Llyn with or without the circumflex

    I spent all my young childhood holidays there in the 1950s as my Aunt and Uncle ran the Warren (as tenants) and long before it became a millionaires paradise
    From Wiki – 

    The name Llŷn is also sometimes spelled Lleyn

    So it seems the OP was perfectly correct.
    ahhh Wikipedia....then it must be right.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,553
    edited September 2023
    "Five Bulgarians have been charged with spying for Russia.

    Orlin Roussev, Bizer Dzhambazov, Katrin Ivanova, Ivan Stoyanov, and Vanya Gaberova, are accused of conspiring to gather information that would be useful to an enemy. They are alleged to have done so between August 2020 and February this year. They are all due to appear at Westminster Magistrates’ Court on September 26."

    https://www.itv.com/news/2023-09-21/five-bulgarians-charged-with-spying-for-russia
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,918

    HYUFD said:

    I'm still of the opinion that Lab will garner a smallish majority of no more than 35-40, though there is a distinct possibility of them requiring minority party support to form a govt; this most likely coming from the Libs who will do moderately well also. I can see them on 30 seats (possibly more if the "blue wall" really begins to collapse). Whatever happens, it'll be one of the more interesting elections to watch of recent years, given the rollercoaster we've all been on in recent years.

    It may well be Labour win most seats in England but fall short of a majority but win a UK majority thanks to gains from the SNP
    Isn't that quite unlikely? I can't recall the exact number of seats in each country after boundary changes, but for that to be true Labour would need to win a majority of seats in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland combined. Considering it doesn't even stand in Northern Ireland, and it's hard to imagine them winning more than half of the seats in Scotland, I think it's more likely that they win a majority in England and fail to win a UK majority than the inverse. If they did win a majority of Scottish seats I'd think that more likely to be occurring against a backdrop of a UK-wide good night for Labour. To put it another way, I think SNP support in Scotland is firmer than Tory support in England right now.
    No it isn't. If you look at the local election results in May Labour were doing about 10% less than Blair got in 1995, the LDs and Independents saw the biggest swings in England from the Tories not Labour.

    While Labour and the LDs combined likely have a majority in England I expect Sunak to squeeze DKs and RefUK enough to ensure no Labour majority in England.

    However 20-25 Labour gains from the SNP still gives them a UK majority (especially when combined with the likely increased Labour majority of seats in Wales)
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368
    edited September 2023
    ...
    Andy_JS said:

    TimS said:

    Seen Sunak's new video released today. Where he announces he's abolishing seven bins and meat tax.

    He's going full Johnson. Blatant lies, gambling that the voting public is thick.

    Will it work? I think much depends on how journalists, and opposition, deal with it. As Johnson and Trump showed it can be very difficult dealing with a liar if they really double down on it.

    As I said earlier we have 7 bins from the local authority

    Paper waste - weekly
    Plastic - weekly
    Cardboard and glass - weekly
    Food - weekly
    Main Bin - once a month
    Garden waste (2) - fortnightly - (pay extra £52 pa)
    7 is far too many if they're the large wheelie bin type. We have 3 plus a smallish bag thing for paper recycling.
    Why is 7 too many? If you sort at source your local authority pays less in labour terms to sort your waste into recyclable waste streams using a combination of manual labour on picking lines and expensive automated.
    equipment. The better quality the sort, the greater the value for the scrap

    You as the householder can do the quickest cheapest sort into the appropriate waste streams. Or do you want to pay more council tax?
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    carnforth said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Just seen this on an envelope

    How long ago did we celebrate natural gas on a stamp?


    We should celebrate natural gas! It's clean, efficient, abundant, (usually) cheap and very good at providing intermittent power.

    Until renewables are so abundant, and our energy storage incredibly bountiful, it is the perfect way to generate electricity. (And, for that matter, good scrambled eggs.)
    Making good scrambled eggs in a holiday rental on the first morning with a bad electric stove, bad frying pan and bad implements is a key life skill.
    You can make great scrambled egg in a microwave.
    Don't own one, so that'd be an issue.

    Never use it anyway, so when our last one died (which we detected because it was not displaying the time anymore, not because of trying to use it), decided not to replace it. Frees up counter space anyway not replacing it. :)
    It has its uses but if you're not using it don't replace, I'm all for that.

    Not accusing you of this but there is a whiff of snobbery about some of those who pull a face at the thought of using a microwave. Aside from anything else it's easily the most energy efficient method of cooking.
    We use our Air Fryer for the vast majority of our cooking. That's a huge energy efficiency bonus over ovens etc - and a very large variety of things can be cooked in it, almost anything that can be cooked in an oven can be cooked in our Air Fryer at a fraction of the electricity and much quicker.
    We have two air fryers, one a double and the other an air fryer oven and do not use our conventional oven at all

    It is very cost effective and I noticed M & S had put air fryer instructions on one of their products.

    I expect this will become widespread practice much as microwave instructions have.
    We barely use the oven because the air fryer is so much quicker & easier. Now we are having a new kitchen, so I put it to my girlfriend that it wasn’t really worth buying an oven in to put it… absolutely having none of it.

    My argument is, having a big oven is going to be the 2030 equivalent of a hifi with a glass door incorporating turntable, cassette player and storage space
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,918

    HYUFD said:

    nico679 said:

    Speaker McCarthy confirms he denied Zelenskyy’s request for an address before a joint session of Congress

    https://twitter.com/gabegutierrez/status/1704851523061096458

    The GOP are scum . Putin’s little helpers .
    Not all of them. Romney, Pence and Haley are tougher on Putin even than most Democrats
    The fact any of them are shames them and is why Trump must be defeated
    Well Corbyn is not too critical of Putin too, most commonly the US hard right and the UK far left are least supportive of liberal Zelensky and most supportive of Putin
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,918
    nico679 said:

    HYUFD said:

    nico679 said:

    Speaker McCarthy confirms he denied Zelenskyy’s request for an address before a joint session of Congress

    https://twitter.com/gabegutierrez/status/1704851523061096458

    The GOP are scum . Putin’s little helpers .
    Not all of them. Romney, Pence and Haley are tougher on Putin even than most Democrats
    Yes they carry the last flame of the decent GOP of Reagan etc who would have been extremely tough on Putin.

    Sadly that flame is dying. Pence could have been lynched, Romney is getting driven out of politics, Haley is laughed at.

    Reagan would be turning in his grave.
    If Russia wins that’s a green light for other hideous leaders to embark on an alleged “ special military operation “ .

    We’re just over a year away from a truly catastrophic scenario if Trump wins.

    I doubt he wins now, that would have required him to take Kyiv last year. However some deal on Crimea may still occur.

    The question then is whether it encourages China to risk invading Taiwan
  • carnforth said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Just seen this on an envelope

    How long ago did we celebrate natural gas on a stamp?


    We should celebrate natural gas! It's clean, efficient, abundant, (usually) cheap and very good at providing intermittent power.

    Until renewables are so abundant, and our energy storage incredibly bountiful, it is the perfect way to generate electricity. (And, for that matter, good scrambled eggs.)
    Making good scrambled eggs in a holiday rental on the first morning with a bad electric stove, bad frying pan and bad implements is a key life skill.
    You can make great scrambled egg in a microwave.
    Don't own one, so that'd be an issue.

    Never use it anyway, so when our last one died (which we detected because it was not displaying the time anymore, not because of trying to use it), decided not to replace it. Frees up counter space anyway not replacing it. :)
    It has its uses but if you're not using it don't replace, I'm all for that.

    Not accusing you of this but there is a whiff of snobbery about some of those who pull a face at the thought of using a microwave. Aside from anything else it's easily the most energy efficient method of cooking.
    We use our Air Fryer for the vast majority of our cooking. That's a huge energy efficiency bonus over ovens etc - and a very large variety of things can be cooked in it, almost anything that can be cooked in an oven can be cooked in our Air Fryer at a fraction of the electricity and much quicker.
    We have two air fryers, one a double and the other an air fryer oven and do not use our conventional oven at all

    It is very cost effective and I noticed M & S had put air fryer instructions on one of their products.

    I expect this will become widespread practice much as microwave instructions have.
    Iceland have started doing the same with most of their own brand things too.

    Hopefully it does become ubiquitous. My general rule of thumb has been to just estimate less time and then go from there.
    There is a guide available (stick on) on Amazon for the percentage reductions of temperatures and times for air fryers

    It is very useful, but I have a golden rule that I always prick test the temperature of all my air fryer cooked food
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,134
    biggles said:

    BBC is highlighting a complaint from a woman in the US re Russell Brand and alleged exposing himself to her

    Where does he live these days? There or here?
    An Oxfordshire village, I believe. Can't remember the name of it.
  • ...

    Andy_JS said:

    TimS said:

    Seen Sunak's new video released today. Where he announces he's abolishing seven bins and meat tax.

    He's going full Johnson. Blatant lies, gambling that the voting public is thick.

    Will it work? I think much depends on how journalists, and opposition, deal with it. As Johnson and Trump showed it can be very difficult dealing with a liar if they really double down on it.

    As I said earlier we have 7 bins from the local authority

    Paper waste - weekly
    Plastic - weekly
    Cardboard and glass - weekly
    Food - weekly
    Main Bin - once a month
    Garden waste (2) - fortnightly - (pay extra £52 pa)
    7 is far too many if they're the large wheelie bin type. We have 3 plus a smallish bag thing for paper recycling.
    Why is 7 too many? If you sort at source your local authority pays less in labour terms to sort your waste into recyclable waste streams using a combination of manual labour on picking lines and expensive automated.
    equipment. The better quality the sort, the greater the value for the scrap

    You as the householder can do the quickest cheapest sort into the appropriate waste streams. Or do you want to pay more council tax?
    How big is your garden that you can comfortably fit 7 in without it taking too much space? Maybe if you have a large detached home it'd be no issue, but in the real world for most people its different.

    Thankfully most authorities do seem quite sane. We have 3 wheelie bins: waste, paper/card and everything else. Could get a garden one but chose not to, do my own composting instead, in a bin smaller than a wheelie bin.

    Recycling facilities are more than capable of sorting out different streams, they do it daily.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,633

    ...

    Andy_JS said:

    TimS said:

    Seen Sunak's new video released today. Where he announces he's abolishing seven bins and meat tax.

    He's going full Johnson. Blatant lies, gambling that the voting public is thick.

    Will it work? I think much depends on how journalists, and opposition, deal with it. As Johnson and Trump showed it can be very difficult dealing with a liar if they really double down on it.

    As I said earlier we have 7 bins from the local authority

    Paper waste - weekly
    Plastic - weekly
    Cardboard and glass - weekly
    Food - weekly
    Main Bin - once a month
    Garden waste (2) - fortnightly - (pay extra £52 pa)
    7 is far too many if they're the large wheelie bin type. We have 3 plus a smallish bag thing for paper recycling.
    Why is 7 too many? If you sort at source your local authority pays less in labour terms to sort your waste into recyclable waste streams using a combination of manual labour on picking lines and expensive automated.
    equipment. The better quality the sort, the greater the value for the scrap

    You as the householder can do the quickest cheapest sort into the appropriate waste streams. Or do you want to pay more council tax?
    The problem is that generally Britons are pretty poor at sorting, so it is best in one mixed bin and sorted by people who know what they are doing.
  • These threads are coming and going like Tory PMs!

  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,663

    carnforth said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Just seen this on an envelope

    How long ago did we celebrate natural gas on a stamp?


    We should celebrate natural gas! It's clean, efficient, abundant, (usually) cheap and very good at providing intermittent power.

    Until renewables are so abundant, and our energy storage incredibly bountiful, it is the perfect way to generate electricity. (And, for that matter, good scrambled eggs.)
    Making good scrambled eggs in a holiday rental on the first morning with a bad electric stove, bad frying pan and bad implements is a key life skill.
    You can make great scrambled egg in a microwave.
    Don't own one, so that'd be an issue.

    Never use it anyway, so when our last one died (which we detected because it was not displaying the time anymore, not because of trying to use it), decided not to replace it. Frees up counter space anyway not replacing it. :)
    It has its uses but if you're not using it don't replace, I'm all for that.

    Not accusing you of this but there is a whiff of snobbery about some of those who pull a face at the thought of using a microwave. Aside from anything else it's easily the most energy efficient method of cooking.
    We use our Air Fryer for the vast majority of our cooking. That's a huge energy efficiency bonus over ovens etc - and a very large variety of things can be cooked in it, almost anything that can be cooked in an oven can be cooked in our Air Fryer at a fraction of the electricity and much quicker.
    How so? An air fryer is just an oven.
    Not sure what you mean? Almost anything that would require cooking in an oven, we cook in the air fryer. Ours also acts as a rotisserie etc too for roasting chickens. Oven is only used for major meals like Christmas, or something physically too big to fit which isn't much.

    Between hobs and air fryer that probably deals with about 95% of our cooking.
    Well sure, you have a hob and two ovens; one oven sits on the worktop where that microwave used to be. That's fine but the air fryer is only a fan oven by another name.

    If we didn't already have two fan ovens we might think about an air fryer but why bother? Plus, we like to keep the worktops clear of clutter.

    My point was that a microwave is a very efficient way of cooking, certainly more efficient than an air fryer or any fan oven for that matter. It's not going to cook chips or roast a chicken but then an air fryer is not going to cook scrambled eggs.
    Oh you mean what's the difference between a fan oven and the air fryer? The air fryer is massively more energy efficient. Have our smart meter display in the kitchen and can see a huge difference between having the oven on and the air fryer on.

    Three reasons why.

    1: The air fryer cooks quicker than a conventional fan oven does. Food that may take 25 minutes to cook in a fan oven can cook in 15 minutes in the air fryer.
    2: The oven takes much more power to operate per minute than the air fryer does.
    3: The oven needs to pre-heat on top of the cooking time, the air fryer doesn't need to.

    Putting on an air fryer for 15 minutes versus a conventional fan oven for 25 minutes + 5 minutes to pre-heat uses probably around a quarter to a third of the electricity to cook the food in my experience.
    Fair enough. We did actually consider getting one and might do in our next house but our built in fan oven is A+ rated and doesn't draw much energy most of the time it's on (as it's just recirculating hot air in an insulated box). So an air fryer seemed like an extra device we didn't really need.

    (Once again, nothing beats a microwave for efficient cooking.)

    Incidentally, for anyone really wanting to get a handle on their electricity usage, I'd highly recommend one of these. We fitted one last year and it's given load of useful information about our energy usage:

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/3-Phase-Emporia-Electricity-Metering-Conserve/dp/B08CJ3VC79/
  • HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    nico679 said:

    Speaker McCarthy confirms he denied Zelenskyy’s request for an address before a joint session of Congress

    https://twitter.com/gabegutierrez/status/1704851523061096458

    The GOP are scum . Putin’s little helpers .
    Not all of them. Romney, Pence and Haley are tougher on Putin even than most Democrats
    The fact any of them are shames them and is why Trump must be defeated
    Well Corbyn is not too critical of Putin too, most commonly the US hard right and the UK far left are least supportive of liberal Zelensky and most supportive of Putin
    We know about Corbyn but frankly Trump and his associates shame the US in so many ways, he is an abomination

  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,496
    TimS said:

    algarkirk said:

    nico679 said:

    HYUFD said:

    nico679 said:

    Speaker McCarthy confirms he denied Zelenskyy’s request for an address before a joint session of Congress

    https://twitter.com/gabegutierrez/status/1704851523061096458

    The GOP are scum . Putin’s little helpers .
    Not all of them. Romney, Pence and Haley are tougher on Putin even than most Democrats
    Yes they carry the last flame of the decent GOP of Reagan etc who would have been extremely tough on Putin.

    Sadly that flame is dying. Pence could have been lynched, Romney is getting driven out of politics, Haley is laughed at.

    Reagan would be turning in his grave.
    If Russia wins that’s a green light for other hideous leaders to embark on an alleged “ special military operation “ .

    We’re just over a year away from a truly catastrophic scenario if Trump wins.

    Indeed

    {picks up map of France, starts marking the better wine regions}
    Better wine regions than France?

    Easy.

    Lets start alphabetically: Argentina, Australia ...

    nico679 said:

    HYUFD said:

    nico679 said:

    Speaker McCarthy confirms he denied Zelenskyy’s request for an address before a joint session of Congress

    https://twitter.com/gabegutierrez/status/1704851523061096458

    The GOP are scum . Putin’s little helpers .
    Not all of them. Romney, Pence and Haley are tougher on Putin even than most Democrats
    Yes they carry the last flame of the decent GOP of Reagan etc who would have been extremely tough on Putin.

    Sadly that flame is dying. Pence could have been lynched, Romney is getting driven out of politics, Haley is laughed at.

    Reagan would be turning in his grave.
    If Russia wins that’s a green light for other hideous leaders to embark on an alleged “ special military operation “ .

    We’re just over a year away from a truly catastrophic scenario if Trump wins.

    Indeed

    {picks up map of France, starts marking the better wine regions}
    Better wine regions than France?

    Easy.

    Lets start alphabetically: Argentina, Australia ...
    You forgot Albania (especially the Vlosh of SW Albania) and Andorra (a bit niche).
    Armenia, one of the most ancient wine making regions.
    Informed opinion generally backs the view that French wine is ahead of Afghan wine by a short head, but all other countries beginning with A can give France a real contest.

  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,633

    Foxy said:

    algarkirk said:

    Just seen this on an envelope

    How long ago did we celebrate natural gas on a stamp?


    1978

    https://www.collectgbstamps.co.uk/explore/issues/?issue=153


    I was going to say must be a while ago, given the price.

    Wouldn’t be so bad, either, if there was any sort of service. One delivery per week, two if we’re lucky.
    It's becoming a real headache for us sending out appointments. A lot seem to never arrive, and those that do go unnoticed in the junk mail. We text people, but older folk are not phone addicts it seems.
    I got a text last week about a urology scan appointment. I wasn't expecting it and can't make it because I'm going to be on holiday. I phoned to re-schedule and after a short conversation the lovely lady at the hospital explained that the scan was originally meant to be in 2020 but was postponed due to covid.

    Apparently Salisbury Hospital is still working through the backlog of postponed appointments from 2020. Since I have had two regular scans since then, including one earlier this year, we decided between us that the appointment could be cancelled.

    I got a text confirming cancellation and the next day a letter in the post confirming the original appointment. (Presumably I'll get a letter next week telling me it's cancelled.)
    Tidying up waiting lists is a nightmare. The system is HISS and hasn't changed in 35 years. It can order appointments when due, but short of opening each entry to sort, it doesn't say if they have been cancelled before, or if something has happened that makes the appointment obsolete.

    One of the easiest ways to get waiting lists down is combing overdue appointments and deciding if still needed. You do need good admin staff for this, and it is quite time consuming. It is tempting too for the unscrupulous to reduce the waiting list by cheating.

    This is one of the many ways that lack of investment inhibits productivity in the NHS.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368

    ...

    Andy_JS said:

    TimS said:

    Seen Sunak's new video released today. Where he announces he's abolishing seven bins and meat tax.

    He's going full Johnson. Blatant lies, gambling that the voting public is thick.

    Will it work? I think much depends on how journalists, and opposition, deal with it. As Johnson and Trump showed it can be very difficult dealing with a liar if they really double down on it.

    As I said earlier we have 7 bins from the local authority

    Paper waste - weekly
    Plastic - weekly
    Cardboard and glass - weekly
    Food - weekly
    Main Bin - once a month
    Garden waste (2) - fortnightly - (pay extra £52 pa)
    7 is far too many if they're the large wheelie bin type. We have 3 plus a smallish bag thing for paper recycling.
    Why is 7 too many? If you sort at source your local authority pays less in labour terms to sort your waste into recyclable waste streams using a combination of manual labour on picking lines and expensive automated.
    equipment. The better quality the sort, the greater the value for the scrap

    You as the householder can do the quickest cheapest sort into the appropriate waste streams. Or do you want to pay more council tax?
    How big is your garden that you can comfortably fit 7 in without it taking too much space? Maybe if you have a large detached home it'd be no issue, but in the real world for most people its different.

    Thankfully most authorities do seem quite sane. We have 3 wheelie bins: waste, paper/card and everything else. Could get a garden one but chose not to, do my own composting instead, in a bin smaller than a wheelie bin.

    Recycling facilities are more than capable of sorting out different streams, they do it daily.
    My garden is enormous but what's that got to do with anything? I co-mingle my waste in a while bag and keep it in a green wheeled bin which I bought via Amazon throughout the week. I also have a grey one that I keep the black bags in. Blag bags are collected three every three weeks.

    I sort on a Sunday evening into paper/ card/ plastic and metal into 3 colour coded, weighted bags (a bit like smaller dumpy bags for sand etc) the council also provide a pouch for batteries and a caddy for food waste and a caddy for glass, for a Monday morning collection. It takes me about 10 minutes to sort. The sorted material is then collected in compartmentalised vehicles and on arrival at the transfer stations the stillages are emptied by FLT into the appropriate bay. They are then collected when the bay is full. It is a quick and simple process. The beauty is the savings made by the council and me as the council tax payer.

    Green waste is not a mandatory service, so if your council collects for free you are very lucky, and your council is probably not a Conservative administration.

    Does anyone think Sunak has the remotest idea of what seven bags means, entails, or costs to process, or why it is even being processed?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990

    I expect built in ovens will become a thing of the past in time

    Buys shares in AGA...
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