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Johnson rated as a just 3.4% chance to be election leader – politicalbetting.com

SystemSystem Posts: 12,161
edited June 2023 in General
imageJohnson rated as a just 3.4% chance to be election leader – politicalbetting.com

For all his hopes the betting markets give Johnson. a very small chance of actually being the election leader.

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  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    Boris is over. It is done. Can we move on?

    It is actually getting quite boring, TBH (no offence intended to the mods who have to find new subjects so often). And the Boris-haters are doing their best to keep this story going just as much as the Boris-defenders

    ENOUGH!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,630
    Based on the Tory Red Wall WhatsApp chats I'm a part of, Boris still has his fanantical supporters.

    He is political herpes.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,918
    edited June 2023
    Leon said:

    Boris is over. It is done. Can we move on?

    It is actually getting quite boring, TBH (no offence intended to the mods who have to find new subjects so often). And the Boris-haters are doing their best to keep this story going just as much as the Boris-defenders

    ENOUGH!

    Indeed, if he isn't even an MP going forward how can be be Conservative leader at the next general election?

    There is a slim chance if Sunak and Hunt lose the next general election heavily and Starmer's government becomes unpopular, Boris as Prince across the Water will be begged by the Party faithful to return in a by election in a safe Conservative seat to lead the party in opposition to try and make a triumphant return like his hero Churchill in 1951 but that is it
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,630
    Now that the blob have got rid of Boris Johnson can they do the same for Brexit please.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,955

    Based on the Tory Red Wall WhatsApp chats I'm a part of, Boris still has his fanantical supporters.

    He is political herpes.

    He certainly puts the chicken into chickenpox.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821

    Now that the blob have got rid of Boris Johnson can they do the same for Brexit please.

    One step at a time. The blob still has Suella and Rees-Mogg to attend to.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,677

    Based on the Tory Red Wall WhatsApp chats I'm a part of, Boris still has his fanantical supporters.

    He is political herpes.

    Can confirm. When I was in Mariupol on the North Sea last year they loved him and didn't give a fuck how many lockdown rules he broke or many 6/10 (London Over 30 Division) posh women he tupped.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,630
    Given his descent into Trump like whining and paranoia, storming Parliament or Matthew Parker Street cannot be ruled out by him and his supporters.

    Unlike the Yanks, we will be swift and decisive in dealing with insurrection.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    FPT - "The Roman Catholic church doesn't recognise non Catholic marriages"

    More freaking FAKE NEWS from PB's very own Chat-Bot.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage_in_the_Catholic_Church

    The Catholic Church recognizes as sacramental, (1) the marriages between two baptized non-Catholic Christians or between two baptized Orthodox Christians, as well as (2) marriages between baptized non-Catholic Christians and Catholic Christians, although in the latter case, consent from the diocesan bishop must be obtained, with this termed "permission to enter into a mixed marriage".
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,630
    SNP Depute leader Keith Brown says SNP MSPs agreed at their meeting today to send flowers to Nicola Sturgeon

    https://twitter.com/BBCDavidWL/status/1668610751945396224
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,153
    @HYUFD

    In the Bible it is stated that only 144,000 people will be saved (Revelation 7:4-8 and Revelation 14:1-5), so you need to have been pretty bloody good to get into heaven.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    Leon said:

    Boris is over. It is done. Can we move on?

    It is actually getting quite boring, TBH (no offence intended to the mods who have to find new subjects so often). And the Boris-haters are doing their best to keep this story going just as much as the Boris-defenders

    ENOUGH!

    Yes. We should continue to devote all threads to you, your trips, your photos, and your monothematic obsessions.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,630
    The University of Nottingham says two of the three people killed in this morning’s attacks were students at the university.

    https://twitter.com/mattuthompson/status/1668637305752485890
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,630
    rcs1000 said:

    @HYUFD

    In the Bible it is stated that only 144,000 people will be saved (Revelation 7:4-8 and Revelation 14:1-5), so you need to have been pretty bloody good to get into heaven.

    So that explains why there's a stairway to heaven and a highway to hell.

    All to do with anticipated traffic.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    edited June 2023
    Leon said:

    Boris is over. It is done. Can we move on?

    It is actually getting quite boring, TBH (no offence intended to the mods who have to find new subjects so often). And the Boris-haters are doing their best to keep this story going just as much as the Boris-defenders

    ENOUGH!

    "Can we move on?" Tell that to Boris!

    Dan Hicks - "How Can I Miss You When You Won't Go Away?"
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rW9-FOLG-iA

  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,583
    Nottingham Police statement:

    https://news.nottinghamshire.police.uk/news/update-on-city-centre-investigation-after-three-people-killed-468413

    They’re not looking for anyone else, and believe the town is safe.

    The original two deaths are believed to be students at the university, which has cancelled the graduation ball.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,677

    SNP Depute leader Keith Brown says SNP MSPs agreed at their meeting today to send flowers to Nicola Sturgeon

    https://twitter.com/BBCDavidWL/status/1668610751945396224

    Moonpig had sold out of the basket of figs with asp.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,630
    DougSeal said:

    Leon said:

    Boris is over. It is done. Can we move on?

    It is actually getting quite boring, TBH (no offence intended to the mods who have to find new subjects so often). And the Boris-haters are doing their best to keep this story going just as much as the Boris-defenders

    ENOUGH!

    Yes. We should continue to devote all threads to you, your trips, your photos, and your monothematic obsessions.
    Perhaps those threads could surprise on the upside?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,134
    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Boris is over. It is done. Can we move on?

    It is actually getting quite boring, TBH (no offence intended to the mods who have to find new subjects so often). And the Boris-haters are doing their best to keep this story going just as much as the Boris-defenders

    ENOUGH!

    Indeed, if he isn't even an MP going forward how can be be Conservative leader at the next general election?

    There is a slim chance if Sunak and Hunt lose the next general election heavily and Starmer's government becomes unpopular, Boris as Prince across the Water will be begged by the Party faithful to return in a by election in a safe Conservative seat to lead the party in opposition to try and make a triumphant return like his hero Churchill in 1951 but that is it
    Your 2nd para is the plan aiui. I imagine he's already seeing himself as a "Prince across the Water".
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    DougSeal said:

    Leon said:

    Boris is over. It is done. Can we move on?

    It is actually getting quite boring, TBH (no offence intended to the mods who have to find new subjects so often). And the Boris-haters are doing their best to keep this story going just as much as the Boris-defenders

    ENOUGH!

    Yes. We should continue to devote all threads to you, your trips, your photos, and your monothematic obsessions.
    How can you have monothematic obsessions PLURAL?

    I have multiple obsessions. I am diverse in my manias
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559

    SNP Depute leader Keith Brown says SNP MSPs agreed at their meeting today to send flowers to Nicola Sturgeon

    https://twitter.com/BBCDavidWL/status/1668610751945396224

    Bouquet of Venus flytraps with sprigs of stinging nettles?
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,647
    edited June 2023

    The University of Nottingham says two of the three people killed in this morning’s attacks were students at the university.

    https://twitter.com/mattuthompson/status/1668637305752485890

    Huh, that's made me really sad for some reason.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541

    Now that the blob have got rid of Boris Johnson can they do the same for Brexit please.

    The only way to make the psychological burden of Brexit 'go away' is to accept it as a permanent reality.
    Much as you Brexiteers would love us to live in a monocultural society without freedom of speech or political opinion, one doesn’t accept something that has cost one so much and can be reversed as “permanent”. As soon as you accept you were wrong, apologise for duping the nation, and put forward realistic options for mitigating the catastrophe you have created, preferably involving reparations, we might be able to accept Brexit. Until then many will continue to seek to correct the grievous error you have shamefully sold the country.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    edited June 2023
    Awkward:

    I’ve had my suspicions for a long time. My family would like to request privacy over this difficult time. It has been a shock but ultimately only wish for his happiness. Thank you 🙏

    https://twitter.com/mercer_felicity/status/1668586935500013571



    Prick News…..never right for long…..
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    kinabalu said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Boris is over. It is done. Can we move on?

    It is actually getting quite boring, TBH (no offence intended to the mods who have to find new subjects so often). And the Boris-haters are doing their best to keep this story going just as much as the Boris-defenders

    ENOUGH!

    Indeed, if he isn't even an MP going forward how can be be Conservative leader at the next general election?

    There is a slim chance if Sunak and Hunt lose the next general election heavily and Starmer's government becomes unpopular, Boris as Prince across the Water will be begged by the Party faithful to return in a by election in a safe Conservative seat to lead the party in opposition to try and make a triumphant return like his hero Churchill in 1951 but that is it
    Your 2nd para is the plan aiui. I imagine he's already seeing himself as a "Prince across the Water".
    More like "Pimp over the water"?
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,826
    edited June 2023
    FPT

    Keyu Jin is a Chinese economist teaching at the LSE.

    Is the west getting China wrong?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NeIXR8vcnXw

    She comes across in this interview with Gideon Rachman as bright, eloquent and knowledgeable. However I left it feeling distinctly uneasy. One of the comments underneath the video highlights all the things she fails to mention in her remarks. A couple of the things she did say left me a little flabbergasted. On the issue of democracy in China she thought that many young people had been put off by the 'chaos' in Hong Kong. I suppose chaos is one word you could use to describe it. As for tensions between the US and China she very much takes the 'both sides' approach, ignoring China's consistent wolf warrior diplomacy and belligerence. What of all the other countries in south east Asia and the threats they feel from the CCP? In her view the best way to resolve the conflict in the Taiwan strait is between the parties on both sides (suggesting that it is US involvement that is making war more likely). She mentions the one child policy in China and how the only child in her class at school who had a sibling was a Uighur. That was the last mention of Uighurs in the discussion.

    This is one of our top universities but I've always felt there was something odd about the LSE. Remember Colonel Gaddafi's son? And it does seem to be the Labour Party's university of choice. Perhaps because it is more classless than Oxbridge seems to be?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,583
    edited June 2023

    Awkward:

    I’ve had my suspicions for a long time. My family would like to request privacy over this difficult time. It has been a shock but ultimately only wish for his happiness. Thank you 🙏

    https://twitter.com/mercer_felicity/status/1668586935500013571

    img src="https://us.v-cdn.net/5020679/uploads/editor/yt/bj8hntg4gnpu.jpeg" alt="" />

    Maybe it’s all just cover for sexually grooming a teenager working for him? < / Scofield >
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    Leon said:

    DougSeal said:

    Leon said:

    Boris is over. It is done. Can we move on?

    It is actually getting quite boring, TBH (no offence intended to the mods who have to find new subjects so often). And the Boris-haters are doing their best to keep this story going just as much as the Boris-defenders

    ENOUGH!

    Yes. We should continue to devote all threads to you, your trips, your photos, and your monothematic obsessions.
    How can you have monothematic obsessions PLURAL?

    I have multiple obsessions. I am diverse in my manias
    “Monothematic” means having a dominating theme. So a trilogy of movies could have a single theme, or movements in a composition. Similarly your rants have a golden thread running through them.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,368
    Sandpit said:

    Awkward:

    I’ve had my suspicions for a long time. My family would like to request privacy over this difficult time. It has been a shock but ultimately only wish for his happiness. Thank you 🙏

    https://twitter.com/mercer_felicity/status/1668586935500013571

    img src="https://us.v-cdn.net/5020679/uploads/editor/yt/bj8hntg4gnpu.jpeg" alt="" />

    Best edit that
    Best edit that -
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,821

    Based on the Tory Red Wall WhatsApp chats I'm a part of, Boris still has his fanantical supporters.

    He is political herpes.

    Britain Trump?
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,647
    Huge thunderstorm over the North-west Highlands!
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,583
    edited June 2023
    eek said:

    Sandpit said:

    Awkward:

    I’ve had my suspicions for a long time. My family would like to request privacy over this difficult time. It has been a shock but ultimately only wish for his happiness. Thank you 🙏

    https://twitter.com/mercer_felicity/status/1668586935500013571

    img src="https://us.v-cdn.net/5020679/uploads/editor/yt/bj8hntg4gnpu.jpeg" alt="" />

    Best edit that
    Best edit that -
    It was a Schofield joke, in reply to another obvious joke from Mrs Mercer. Not intending to be offensive.

    Mods can delete it if they wish.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    DougSeal said:

    Leon said:

    DougSeal said:

    Leon said:

    Boris is over. It is done. Can we move on?

    It is actually getting quite boring, TBH (no offence intended to the mods who have to find new subjects so often). And the Boris-haters are doing their best to keep this story going just as much as the Boris-defenders

    ENOUGH!

    Yes. We should continue to devote all threads to you, your trips, your photos, and your monothematic obsessions.
    How can you have monothematic obsessions PLURAL?

    I have multiple obsessions. I am diverse in my manias
    “Monothematic” means having a dominating theme. So a trilogy of movies could have a single theme, or movements in a composition. Similarly your rants have a golden thread running through them.
    Thankyou


    “Man was made for Joy & Woe
    And when this we rightly know
    Through the World we safely go
    Joy & Woe are woven fine
    A Clothing for the soul divine
    Under every grief & pine
    Runs a joy with silken twine”
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Sandpit said:

    eek said:

    Sandpit said:

    Awkward:

    I’ve had my suspicions for a long time. My family would like to request privacy over this difficult time. It has been a shock but ultimately only wish for his happiness. Thank you 🙏

    https://twitter.com/mercer_felicity/status/1668586935500013571

    img src="https://us.v-cdn.net/5020679/uploads/editor/yt/bj8hntg4gnpu.jpeg" alt="" />

    Best edit that
    Best edit that -
    It was a Schofield joke, in reply to another obvious joke from Mrs Mercer. Not intending to be offensive.
    Prick News got their Plymouth MPs mixed up - Luke Pollard spoke in the debate.
  • ClippPClippP Posts: 1,904
    Leon said:

    Boris is over. It is done. Can we move on?

    It is actually getting quite boring, TBH (no offence intended to the mods who have to find new subjects so often). And the Boris-haters are doing their best to keep this story going just as much as the Boris-defenders

    ENOUGH!

    Be fair, Mr Leon. Some of us have disliked and despised Johnson ever since he was editor of the Spectator. He has destroyed the reputation of everybody and everything he has come into contact with.

    Please let us savour his removal from the political scene for just a bit longer.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,918
    rcs1000 said:

    @HYUFD

    In the Bible it is stated that only 144,000 people will be saved (Revelation 7:4-8 and Revelation 14:1-5), so you need to have been pretty bloody good to get into heaven.

    Revelation is the words of John the Elder, not Jesus nor God. It is a great read though and as it sets out a post apocalypse world hardly surprising not that many are still around to be saved anyway
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,133
    edited June 2023
    Leon said:

    DougSeal said:

    Leon said:

    Boris is over. It is done. Can we move on?

    It is actually getting quite boring, TBH (no offence intended to the mods who have to find new subjects so often). And the Boris-haters are doing their best to keep this story going just as much as the Boris-defenders

    ENOUGH!

    Yes. We should continue to devote all threads to you, your trips, your photos, and your monothematic obsessions.
    How can you have monothematic obsessions PLURAL?

    I have multiple obsessions. I am diverse in my manias
    That's true, Leon also has UFO's, which I also find interesting.

    Talking of which, as I mentioned earlier, we have a very bizarre situation today. There has been *no official denial* from the US inspectorate of intelligence, on the quote that they find Grusch's absolutely breathtaking claims "credible and urgent" , a Senator has confirmed today that hearings will be held as a result, and most of the media are still not touching the story for fear of being seen as nutters, and the stigma surrounding this sort of topic. Very, very odd indeed.
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 4,664
    Eabhal said:

    Huge thunderstorm over the North-west Highlands!

    Ouch. So there is.

    I hope nobody has been caught out on the Kintail or Mullardoch hills.

    Whiteouts / blizzards I can deal with, but thunderstorm risk is the one thing I'm paranoid about.

    Perhaps I spent too long speaking to the Professor who documented UK lightning incidents.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,677

    FPT

    Keyu Jin is a Chinese economist teaching at the LSE.

    Is the west getting China wrong?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NeIXR8vcnXw

    She comes across in this interview with Gideon Rachman as bright, eloquent and knowledgeable. However I left it feeling distinctly uneasy. One of the comments underneath the video highlights all the things she fails to mention in her remarks. A couple of the things she did say left me a little flabbergasted. On the issue of democracy in China she thought that many young people had been put off by the 'chaos' in Hong Kong. I suppose chaos is one word you could use to describe it. As for tensions between the US and China she very much takes the 'both sides' approach, ignoring China's consistent wolf warrior diplomacy and belligerence. What of all the other countries in south east Asia and the threats they feel from the CCP? In her view the best way to resolve the conflict in the Taiwan strait is between the parties on both sides (suggesting that it is US involvement that is making war more likely). She mentions the one child policy in China and how the only child in her class at school who had a sibling was a Uighur. That was the last mention of Uighurs in the discussion.

    This is one of our top universities but I've always felt there was something odd about the LSE. Remember Colonel Gaddafi's son? And it does seem to be the Labour Party's university of choice. Perhaps because it is more classless than Oxbridge seems to be?

    What do you expect? If she goes in studs up on the CCP they will sling her relatives in a Hubei prison hospital and start harvesting their organs. They take both corneas, bladder and one kidney on admission.

    The old order is dying and this is a time of monsters. Gramsci.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277

    FPT

    Keyu Jin is a Chinese economist teaching at the LSE.

    Is the west getting China wrong?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NeIXR8vcnXw

    She comes across in this interview with Gideon Rachman as bright, eloquent and knowledgeable. However I left it feeling distinctly uneasy. One of the comments underneath the video highlights all the things she fails to mention in her remarks. A couple of the things she did say left me a little flabbergasted. On the issue of democracy in China she thought that many young people had been put off by the 'chaos' in Hong Kong. I suppose chaos is one word you could use to describe it. As for tensions between the US and China she very much takes the 'both sides' approach, ignoring China's consistent wolf warrior diplomacy and belligerence. What of all the other countries in south east Asia and the threats they feel from the CCP? In her view the best way to resolve the conflict in the Taiwan strait is between the parties on both sides (suggesting that it is US involvement that is making war more likely). She mentions the one child policy in China and how the only child in her class at school who had a sibling was a Uighur. That was the last mention of Uighurs in the discussion.

    This is one of our top universities but I've always felt there was something odd about the LSE. Remember Colonel Gaddafi's son? And it does seem to be the Labour Party's university of choice. Perhaps because it is more classless than Oxbridge seems to be?

    There is a traditional rivalry between my alma mater, UCL, and LSE

    They once stole the head of our founder Jeremy Bentham. Bastards

    Also, the only real bar brawl I have ever seen was between UCL and LSE students when all of us in Ramsay Hall of residence went drinking in their hall next door. It was the proper stuff. Hurled glasses and broken mirrors and waist coated barmen ducking the flying bottles

    I confess I simply hid
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,583

    Sandpit said:

    eek said:

    Sandpit said:

    Awkward:

    I’ve had my suspicions for a long time. My family would like to request privacy over this difficult time. It has been a shock but ultimately only wish for his happiness. Thank you 🙏

    https://twitter.com/mercer_felicity/status/1668586935500013571

    img src="https://us.v-cdn.net/5020679/uploads/editor/yt/bj8hntg4gnpu.jpeg" alt="" />

    Best edit that
    Best edit that -
    It was a Schofield joke, in reply to another obvious joke from Mrs Mercer. Not intending to be offensive.
    Prick News got their Plymouth MPs mixed up - Luke Pollard spoke in the debate.
    Ah lol. I still got flagged though, so no offence intended.

    I shall now depart the pub and go home, and perhaps return here in the morning!
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,900
    Boris won't be leader of the Conservative Party again. That is certain - the headbangers are too small in number to force that through.

    But - the people's princess is still beloved by so many. And headbangers are up for the chop at the election unless something radical happens.

    As I keep posing, there is a scenario where Boris! leads a breakaway from the Tory party to ensure there is conservative representation at the GE. If you are Jonathan Gullis and Scott Benton et al you barely know what day it is, but you do know that the constituents you haven't blocked are hopping mad about the Brexit.

    They won't vote for you. But they might vote for you if they are voting for Boris! Its a personal vote for Boris! and they are not Conservative voters anyway so the party doesn't matter. They want Boris! and they want what they were promised from Brexit.

    So time for the New Party. Amalgamate the remains of UKIP, the SDP, ReFUK and that Fox wazzock. Mould them into the English equivalent of Forza Italia, led by Mr Bunga Bunga no honestly she was just a minor aid and not my bastard daughter himself, Boris!

    And yes, I will now always type Boris! with an exclamation mark going forward.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 8,727

    Sandpit said:

    eek said:

    Sandpit said:

    Awkward:

    I’ve had my suspicions for a long time. My family would like to request privacy over this difficult time. It has been a shock but ultimately only wish for his happiness. Thank you 🙏

    https://twitter.com/mercer_felicity/status/1668586935500013571

    img src="https://us.v-cdn.net/5020679/uploads/editor/yt/bj8hntg4gnpu.jpeg" alt="" />

    Best edit that
    Best edit that -
    It was a Schofield joke, in reply to another obvious joke from Mrs Mercer. Not intending to be offensive.
    Prick News got their Plymouth MPs mixed up - Luke Pollard spoke in the debate.
    And what's his wife's reaction? :wink:
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    ClippP said:

    Leon said:

    Boris is over. It is done. Can we move on?

    It is actually getting quite boring, TBH (no offence intended to the mods who have to find new subjects so often). And the Boris-haters are doing their best to keep this story going just as much as the Boris-defenders

    ENOUGH!

    Be fair, Mr Leon. Some of us have disliked and despised Johnson ever since he was editor of the Spectator. He has destroyed the reputation of everybody and everything he has come into contact with.

    Please let us savour his removal from the political scene for just a bit longer.
    Fair enough

    Tho I do wonder if the Boris haters will actually miss him in a masochistic way. They so loved to loathe him. They enjoyed their sense of righteous repulsion

    It’s quite hard to hate Rishi Sunak, at best you can find him laughable or hypocritical but he is not the brilliant panto villain like Bozza
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,647

    Eabhal said:

    Huge thunderstorm over the North-west Highlands!

    Ouch. So there is.

    I hope nobody has been caught out on the Kintail or Mullardoch hills.

    Whiteouts / blizzards I can deal with, but thunderstorm risk is the one thing I'm paranoid about.

    Perhaps I spent too long speaking to the Professor who documented UK lightning incidents.
    I hate them. Got caught out in California once, ears ringing, and then you have to deal with the flooding and landslides.

    My friends have come off the hill safely - phew!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,630

    SNP Depute leader Keith Brown says SNP MSPs agreed at their meeting today to send flowers to Nicola Sturgeon

    https://twitter.com/BBCDavidWL/status/1668610751945396224



    https://twitter.com/JamesDFMellor/status/1668614826128707588/photo/1
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,625
    DougSeal said:

    Now that the blob have got rid of Boris Johnson can they do the same for Brexit please.

    The only way to make the psychological burden of Brexit 'go away' is to accept it as a permanent reality.
    Much as you Brexiteers would love us to live in a monocultural society without freedom of speech or political opinion, one doesn’t accept something that has cost one so much and can be reversed as “permanent”. As soon as you accept you were wrong, apologise for duping the nation, and put forward realistic options for mitigating the catastrophe you have created, preferably involving reparations, we might be able to accept Brexit. Until then many will continue to seek to correct the grievous error you have shamefully sold the country.
    Have you seen the ONS jobs report which shows the level of employment hitting a record high with unexpectedly strong pay growth? Whatever you think about Brexit, the way the UK economy is outperforming expectations requires an explanation.

    https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/employmentandemployeetypes/bulletins/uklabourmarket/june2023
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,553
    Looks like Berlusconi's party has got a sympathy vote in the latest opinion poll.

    https://twitter.com/EuropeElects

    "Europe Elects
    @EuropeElects
    ·
    6h
    Italy, Winpoll poll:

    FdI-ECR: 29% (+3)
    PD-S&D: 21% (+2)
    M5S-NI: 14% (-1)
    FI-EPP: 13% (+5)
    LEGA-ID: 7% (-2)
    A-RE: 4% (n.a.)
    AVS-LEFT|G/EFA: 3% (-1)
    IV-RE: 2% (n.a.)
    +E-RE: 2% (-1)
    ...

    +/- vs. 2022 election

    Fieldwork: 12 June 2023
    Sample size: 1,000
    https://europeelects.eu/italy"
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,486
    edited June 2023
    Leon said:

    FPT

    Keyu Jin is a Chinese economist teaching at the LSE.

    Is the west getting China wrong?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NeIXR8vcnXw

    She comes across in this interview with Gideon Rachman as bright, eloquent and knowledgeable. However I left it feeling distinctly uneasy. One of the comments underneath the video highlights all the things she fails to mention in her remarks. A couple of the things she did say left me a little flabbergasted. On the issue of democracy in China she thought that many young people had been put off by the 'chaos' in Hong Kong. I suppose chaos is one word you could use to describe it. As for tensions between the US and China she very much takes the 'both sides' approach, ignoring China's consistent wolf warrior diplomacy and belligerence. What of all the other countries in south east Asia and the threats they feel from the CCP? In her view the best way to resolve the conflict in the Taiwan strait is between the parties on both sides (suggesting that it is US involvement that is making war more likely). She mentions the one child policy in China and how the only child in her class at school who had a sibling was a Uighur. That was the last mention of Uighurs in the discussion.

    This is one of our top universities but I've always felt there was something odd about the LSE. Remember Colonel Gaddafi's son? And it does seem to be the Labour Party's university of choice. Perhaps because it is more classless than Oxbridge seems to be?

    There is a traditional rivalry between my alma mater, UCL, and LSE

    They once stole the head of our founder Jeremy Bentham. Bastards

    Also, the only real bar brawl I have ever seen was between UCL and LSE students when all of us in Ramsay Hall of residence went drinking in their hall next door. It was the proper stuff. Hurled glasses and broken mirrors and waist coated barmen ducking the flying bottles

    I confess I simply hid
    Wasn’t it the Strand Poly knobs who took the head of Jeremy Bentham?

    I was also in Ramsay and nicked their (LSE) bar blackboard from their hall over the road which they were thrilled about. Whenever they had a fire alarm at night we would throw water on them from the balcony on our floor because we were very mature.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,134
    Leon said:

    Boris is over. It is done. Can we move on?

    It is actually getting quite boring, TBH (no offence intended to the mods who have to find new subjects so often). And the Boris-haters are doing their best to keep this story going just as much as the Boris-defenders

    ENOUGH!

    Agreed. We should 'move on' and we'll be able to when every PBer signs up to the correct and final assessment of him as a total clownfuck and pisstake with not a single redeeming feature who should never have been allowed near a UK government let alone at the head of it.

    You can help by here and now resiling from what unless I've missed something (unlikely but possible) was your most recent take on him as a 'flawed colossus' whose downfall was a tragedy of Shakespearean proportions because it was self-inflicted and he 'could have been great'.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,070
    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    Boris is over. It is done. Can we move on?

    It is actually getting quite boring, TBH (no offence intended to the mods who have to find new subjects so often). And the Boris-haters are doing their best to keep this story going just as much as the Boris-defenders

    ENOUGH!

    Can we stop talking about how Boris shat the bed? It's over, done.
    But he's literally just this minute left the room!
    Exactly, all the bed shitting is finished.
    But the bed is still full of shit!
    Oh, you're just trying to keep the story going...
    In answer to Leon's question, I'd tend to agree.
    He thrives on attention; ergo forget him. (Which reminds me, I need a new avatar.)

    Time enough to rake over his dubious legacy in the runup to the next election.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    Leon said:

    FPT

    Keyu Jin is a Chinese economist teaching at the LSE.

    Is the west getting China wrong?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NeIXR8vcnXw

    She comes across in this interview with Gideon Rachman as bright, eloquent and knowledgeable. However I left it feeling distinctly uneasy. One of the comments underneath the video highlights all the things she fails to mention in her remarks. A couple of the things she did say left me a little flabbergasted. On the issue of democracy in China she thought that many young people had been put off by the 'chaos' in Hong Kong. I suppose chaos is one word you could use to describe it. As for tensions between the US and China she very much takes the 'both sides' approach, ignoring China's consistent wolf warrior diplomacy and belligerence. What of all the other countries in south east Asia and the threats they feel from the CCP? In her view the best way to resolve the conflict in the Taiwan strait is between the parties on both sides (suggesting that it is US involvement that is making war more likely). She mentions the one child policy in China and how the only child in her class at school who had a sibling was a Uighur. That was the last mention of Uighurs in the discussion.

    This is one of our top universities but I've always felt there was something odd about the LSE. Remember Colonel Gaddafi's son? And it does seem to be the Labour Party's university of choice. Perhaps because it is more classless than Oxbridge seems to be?

    There is a traditional rivalry between my alma mater, UCL, and LSE

    They once stole the head of our founder Jeremy Bentham. Bastards

    Also, the only real bar brawl I have ever seen was between UCL and LSE students when all of us in Ramsay Hall of residence went drinking in their hall next door. It was the proper stuff. Hurled glasses and broken mirrors and waist coated barmen ducking the flying bottles

    I confess I simply hid
    Very similar to story my father told me, from back when he was serving in USMC.

    For some reason, the official song of his Marine regiment was "When the Caissons Go Rolling Along" - the traditional theme song of the US Army.

    My Daddy Dearest and some buddies where having a few beers in an off-base bar near Camp Lejeune, when someone put a nickel in the jukebox and requested the Dogface anthem.

    At which point my father and his friends got up and stood to attention (as per regulations). Causing Marines from other units to start hooting and heckling.

    Result was a bar room brawl . . . but without waistcoated barmen . . .
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,812
    Is Lorna Slater the most incompetent and stupidest minister in the history of the UK? https://twitter.com/HolyroodDaily/status/1668557032671137792

    We can only pray that the answer is yes.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,070
    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    @HYUFD

    In the Bible it is stated that only 144,000 people will be saved (Revelation 7:4-8 and Revelation 14:1-5), so you need to have been pretty bloody good to get into heaven.

    Revelation is the words of John the Elder, not Jesus nor God. It is a great read though...
    Quintessential HYUFD.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,134

    DougSeal said:

    Now that the blob have got rid of Boris Johnson can they do the same for Brexit please.

    The only way to make the psychological burden of Brexit 'go away' is to accept it as a permanent reality.
    Much as you Brexiteers would love us to live in a monocultural society without freedom of speech or political opinion, one doesn’t accept something that has cost one so much and can be reversed as “permanent”. As soon as you accept you were wrong, apologise for duping the nation, and put forward realistic options for mitigating the catastrophe you have created, preferably involving reparations, we might be able to accept Brexit. Until then many will continue to seek to correct the grievous error you have shamefully sold the country.
    Have you seen the ONS jobs report which shows the level of employment hitting a record high with unexpectedly strong pay growth? Whatever you think about Brexit, the way the UK economy is outperforming expectations requires an explanation.

    https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/employmentandemployeetypes/bulletins/uklabourmarket/june2023
    Pay growth below that of prices. That's not Mr Micawber's recipe for prosperity and happiness.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,630
    DavidL said:

    Is Lorna Slater the most incompetent and stupidest minister in the history of the UK? https://twitter.com/HolyroodDaily/status/1668557032671137792

    We can only pray that the answer is yes.

    Sadly not.

    I raise you Sir Gavin Williamson, who in December 2020 took local education authorities to court to stop them closing because of Covid then a few weeks later closed the schools himself.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,821
    Andy_JS said:

    Looks like Berlusconi's party has got a sympathy vote in the latest opinion poll.

    https://twitter.com/EuropeElects

    "Europe Elects
    @EuropeElects
    ·
    6h
    Italy, Winpoll poll:

    FdI-ECR: 29% (+3)
    PD-S&D: 21% (+2)
    M5S-NI: 14% (-1)
    FI-EPP: 13% (+5)
    LEGA-ID: 7% (-2)
    A-RE: 4% (n.a.)
    AVS-LEFT|G/EFA: 3% (-1)
    IV-RE: 2% (n.a.)
    +E-RE: 2% (-1)
    ...

    +/- vs. 2022 election

    Fieldwork: 12 June 2023
    Sample size: 1,000
    https://europeelects.eu/italy"

    Broken, sleazy... ooops, wrong country!
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,134
    Leon said:

    ClippP said:

    Leon said:

    Boris is over. It is done. Can we move on?

    It is actually getting quite boring, TBH (no offence intended to the mods who have to find new subjects so often). And the Boris-haters are doing their best to keep this story going just as much as the Boris-defenders

    ENOUGH!

    Be fair, Mr Leon. Some of us have disliked and despised Johnson ever since he was editor of the Spectator. He has destroyed the reputation of everybody and everything he has come into contact with.

    Please let us savour his removal from the political scene for just a bit longer.
    Fair enough

    Tho I do wonder if the Boris haters will actually miss him in a masochistic way. They so loved to loathe him. They enjoyed their sense of righteous repulsion

    It’s quite hard to hate Rishi Sunak, at best you can find him laughable or hypocritical but he is not the brilliant panto villain like Bozza
    Not me. As with Donald Trump my dearest wish is for the amount I see and hear of him to approximate to zero.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Boris is over. It is done. Can we move on?

    It is actually getting quite boring, TBH (no offence intended to the mods who have to find new subjects so often). And the Boris-haters are doing their best to keep this story going just as much as the Boris-defenders

    ENOUGH!

    Agreed. We should 'move on' and we'll be able to when every PBer signs up to the correct and final assessment of him as a total clownfuck and pisstake with not a single redeeming feature who should never have been allowed near a UK government let alone at the head of it.

    You can help by here and now resiling from what unless I've missed something (unlikely but possible) was your most recent take on him as a 'flawed colossus' whose downfall was a tragedy of Shakespearean proportions because it was self-inflicted and he 'could have been great'.
    Nah
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,918
    edited June 2023
    Leon said:

    ClippP said:

    Leon said:

    Boris is over. It is done. Can we move on?

    It is actually getting quite boring, TBH (no offence intended to the mods who have to find new subjects so often). And the Boris-haters are doing their best to keep this story going just as much as the Boris-defenders

    ENOUGH!

    Be fair, Mr Leon. Some of us have disliked and despised Johnson ever since he was editor of the Spectator. He has destroyed the reputation of everybody and everything he has come into contact with.

    Please let us savour his removal from the political scene for just a bit longer.
    Fair enough

    Tho I do wonder if the Boris haters will actually miss him in a masochistic way. They so loved to loathe him. They enjoyed their sense of righteous repulsion

    It’s quite hard to hate Rishi Sunak, at best you can find him laughable or hypocritical but he is not the brilliant panto villain like Bozza
    There is also great snobbery value in hating Boris, after all he is most popular with Sun reading working class white van man. And you really don't want to have to vote the same way as the man who uses the tradesman's entrance (albeit you mostly did in 2019 with a peg on your nose to keep Corbyn out if the LDs didn't have a chance in your seat).

    However while it is now unacceptable to say you like Boris at upper middle class London and Home Counties dinner parties, it is acceptable to even say you will vote for Rishi at such events
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Terf Island strikes again:

    I believe the world witnessed the first open parliamentary debate on sex and gender in the world yesterday - in the UK. For years, gender identity enthusiasts have used a variety of techniques to suppress this debate. It will not work any more.
    https://youtu.be/7-9MsJo6-Uo /1


    https://twitter.com/BevJacksonAuth/status/1668562192583516160?s=20

    Meanwhile, across the pond;

    After calling for an adherence to facts, US Assistant Secretary for Health Rachel Levine calls gender-affirming care “literally suicide prevention,” despite the fact that researchers have not proven such care prevents death by suicide.

    https://twitter.com/benryanwriter/status/1668453261077106689?s=20

    “Live son or dead daughter” is the reprehensible rhetoric used by some “affirmative care” (sic) advocates.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,874
    Leon said:

    Boris is over. It is done. Can we move on?

    It is actually getting quite boring, TBH (no offence intended to the mods who have to find new subjects so often). And the Boris-haters are doing their best to keep this story going just as much as the Boris-defenders

    ENOUGH!

    Perhaps Boris will return to writing for The Spectator - perhaps some travelogues - the current ones are a bit meh to be honest.

    Seriously, there are two tragedies at work here - there's Boris's own tragedy where, having manoeuvred and schemed for 20 years to become Conservative Party leader and Prime Minister and won an election, the prize he sought was undermined by a microscopic virus.

    The second tragedy is those who engaged in politics because of Boris Johnson - those who had neither voted not engaged in politics but did so because of Brexit and Boris Johnson. They will presumably withdraw to the margins with only their contempt for politicians and the political system enhanced.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    Can I just check something before we begin, because it feels as though we’re dealing with a weight of irony that defies all known physics? Is Boris Johnson leaving British politics absolutely howling with anger because someone supposedly told him a lie? Is Boris Johnson wetting his pants thrice daily over the injustice of him being supposedly misled? Is Boris Johnson now appalled at someone else’s supposedly casual relationship with the truth? It seems, incredibly, that he is. In which case I honestly don’t think I could take this story more seriously. It’s too perfect. Boris Johnson has been Boris Johnsonned.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jun/13/boris-johnson-nadine-dorries-tory-infighting
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,070
    Nigelb said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    Boris is over. It is done. Can we move on?

    It is actually getting quite boring, TBH (no offence intended to the mods who have to find new subjects so often). And the Boris-haters are doing their best to keep this story going just as much as the Boris-defenders

    ENOUGH!

    Can we stop talking about how Boris shat the bed? It's over, done.
    But he's literally just this minute left the room!
    Exactly, all the bed shitting is finished.
    But the bed is still full of shit!
    Oh, you're just trying to keep the story going...
    In answer to Leon's question, I'd tend to agree.
    He thrives on attention; ergo forget him. (Which reminds me, I need a new avatar.)

    Time enough to rake over his dubious legacy in the runup to the next election.
    But before I dismiss him entirely, here's the executive summary of the Commons committee report.

    ..."A knave; a rascal; an eater of broken meats; base, proud, shallow, beggarly, three-suited, hundred-pound, filthy, worsted-stocking knave; a lily-livered, action-taking knave, a whoreson, glass-gazing, super-serviceable finical rogue..."
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,134

    Leon said:

    DougSeal said:

    Leon said:

    Boris is over. It is done. Can we move on?

    It is actually getting quite boring, TBH (no offence intended to the mods who have to find new subjects so often). And the Boris-haters are doing their best to keep this story going just as much as the Boris-defenders

    ENOUGH!

    Yes. We should continue to devote all threads to you, your trips, your photos, and your monothematic obsessions.
    How can you have monothematic obsessions PLURAL?

    I have multiple obsessions. I am diverse in my manias
    That's true, Leon also has UFO's, which I also find interesting.

    Talking of which, as I mentioned earlier, we have a very bizarre situation today. There has been *no official denial* from the US inspectorate of intelligence, on the quote that they find Grusch's absolutely breathtaking claims "credible and urgent" , a Senator has confirmed today that hearings will be held as a result, and most of the media are still not touching the story for fear of being seen as nutters, and the stigma surrounding this sort of topic. Very, very odd indeed.
    You're obviously not worried about being seen as a nutter then?
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,324
    Leon said:

    Boris is over. It is done. Can we move on?

    It is actually getting quite boring, TBH (no offence intended to the mods who have to find new subjects so often). And the Boris-haters are doing their best to keep this story going just as much as the Boris-defenders

    ENOUGH!

    Funnily enough this is almost exactly what Mrs PtP said to me earlier today. 'Boris has become boring', quite possibly for the first time in his life.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    FPT

    Keyu Jin is a Chinese economist teaching at the LSE.

    Is the west getting China wrong?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NeIXR8vcnXw

    She comes across in this interview with Gideon Rachman as bright, eloquent and knowledgeable. However I left it feeling distinctly uneasy. One of the comments underneath the video highlights all the things she fails to mention in her remarks. A couple of the things she did say left me a little flabbergasted. On the issue of democracy in China she thought that many young people had been put off by the 'chaos' in Hong Kong. I suppose chaos is one word you could use to describe it. As for tensions between the US and China she very much takes the 'both sides' approach, ignoring China's consistent wolf warrior diplomacy and belligerence. What of all the other countries in south east Asia and the threats they feel from the CCP? In her view the best way to resolve the conflict in the Taiwan strait is between the parties on both sides (suggesting that it is US involvement that is making war more likely). She mentions the one child policy in China and how the only child in her class at school who had a sibling was a Uighur. That was the last mention of Uighurs in the discussion.

    This is one of our top universities but I've always felt there was something odd about the LSE. Remember Colonel Gaddafi's son? And it does seem to be the Labour Party's university of choice. Perhaps because it is more classless than Oxbridge seems to be?

    There is a traditional rivalry between my alma mater, UCL, and LSE

    They once stole the head of our founder Jeremy Bentham. Bastards

    Also, the only real bar brawl I have ever seen was between UCL and LSE students when all of us in Ramsay Hall of residence went drinking in their hall next door. It was the proper stuff. Hurled glasses and broken mirrors and waist coated barmen ducking the flying bottles

    I confess I simply hid
    Wasn’t it the Strand Poly knobs who took the head of Jeremy Bentham?

    I was also in Ramsay and nicked their (LSE) bar blackboard from their hall over the road which they were thrilled about. Whenever they had a fire alarm at night we would throw water on them from the balcony on our floor because we were very mature.
    You’re right I think - it was KCL that nicked Jeremy

    However the rivalry was (is?) definitely with LSE. Because they are a big world class institution like UCL. Kings College not so much

    How brilliant that you also experienced the Ramsay-Carr Saunders altercations. Ramsay is also where I lost my virginity. Room 247
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    @christopherhope

    Exclusive: Get ready for super-Thursday!
    CCHQ is considering holding three 'Boris by-elections' on the same day next month 👇
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,134
    DougSeal said:

    Leon said:

    DougSeal said:

    Leon said:

    Boris is over. It is done. Can we move on?

    It is actually getting quite boring, TBH (no offence intended to the mods who have to find new subjects so often). And the Boris-haters are doing their best to keep this story going just as much as the Boris-defenders

    ENOUGH!

    Yes. We should continue to devote all threads to you, your trips, your photos, and your monothematic obsessions.
    How can you have monothematic obsessions PLURAL?

    I have multiple obsessions. I am diverse in my manias
    “Monothematic” means having a dominating theme. So a trilogy of movies could have a single theme, or movements in a composition. Similarly your rants have a golden thread running through them.
    Fear of deep and silent contemplation. And of the Truth. This is the thread.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,368

    DavidL said:

    Is Lorna Slater the most incompetent and stupidest minister in the history of the UK? https://twitter.com/HolyroodDaily/status/1668557032671137792

    We can only pray that the answer is yes.

    Sadly not.

    I raise you Sir Gavin Williamson, who in December 2020 took local education authorities to court to stop them closing because of Covid then a few weeks later closed the schools himself.
    it wasn't weeks later it was days...

    I think Greenwich went to court on December 14/15 https://www.lgcplus.com/services/children/greenwich-backs-down-in-school-closure-dispute-with-government-15-12-2020/

    And on the 19th Bozo announced the Xmas lockdown. https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/sites/default/files/timeline-lockdown-web.pdf
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,243
    rcs1000 said:

    @HYUFD

    In the Bible it is stated that only 144,000 people will be saved (Revelation 7:4-8 and Revelation 14:1-5), so you need to have been pretty bloody good to get into heaven.

    12,000 per tribe

    In a time when “30” (as in “thirty days and thirty nights”) was a synonym for “many”
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,133
    edited June 2023
    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    DougSeal said:

    Leon said:

    Boris is over. It is done. Can we move on?

    It is actually getting quite boring, TBH (no offence intended to the mods who have to find new subjects so often). And the Boris-haters are doing their best to keep this story going just as much as the Boris-defenders

    ENOUGH!

    Yes. We should continue to devote all threads to you, your trips, your photos, and your monothematic obsessions.
    How can you have monothematic obsessions PLURAL?

    I have multiple obsessions. I am diverse in my manias
    That's true, Leon also has UFO's, which I also find interesting.

    Talking of which, as I mentioned earlier, we have a very bizarre situation today. There has been *no official denial* from the US inspectorate of intelligence, on the quote that they find Grusch's absolutely breathtaking claims "credible and urgent" , a Senator has confirmed today that hearings will be held as a result, and most of the media are still not touching the story for fear of being seen as nutters, and the stigma surrounding this sort of topic. Very, very odd indeed.
    You're obviously not worried about being seen as a nutter then?
    No. I've followed this story quite carefully. This Grusch character seems to have been one of many people coming forward to the US inspectorate of intelligence for about two years, and on which they've no denial. His story is that and he and they have shared much more comprehensive details with the US IG, and that this will all be able to come out in the congressional hearings anounced today, if it's legally possible.

    Meanwhile, the approach of most of the British and American media this week has been "nothing to see here, possibly lone nutter".

    This is essentially not because of the stage the process is at, but purely because the claims are so outlandishly bizarre.

    It's all very, very odd, as I mentioned.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,134
    edited June 2023

    kinabalu said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Boris is over. It is done. Can we move on?

    It is actually getting quite boring, TBH (no offence intended to the mods who have to find new subjects so often). And the Boris-haters are doing their best to keep this story going just as much as the Boris-defenders

    ENOUGH!

    Indeed, if he isn't even an MP going forward how can be be Conservative leader at the next general election?

    There is a slim chance if Sunak and Hunt lose the next general election heavily and Starmer's government becomes unpopular, Boris as Prince across the Water will be begged by the Party faithful to return in a by election in a safe Conservative seat to lead the party in opposition to try and make a triumphant return like his hero Churchill in 1951 but that is it
    Your 2nd para is the plan aiui. I imagine he's already seeing himself as a "Prince across the Water".
    More like "Pimp over the water"?
    'Under' the water would be better imo.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,070
    All perfectly normal.
    Former President Donald Trump’s arraignment in federal court in Miami, Florida.
    https://twitter.com/MrOlmos/status/1668628864510349312

    Anyone know the significance of the pig's head on a stick ?
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,900

    DavidL said:

    Is Lorna Slater the most incompetent and stupidest minister in the history of the UK? https://twitter.com/HolyroodDaily/status/1668557032671137792

    We can only pray that the answer is yes.

    Sadly not.

    I raise you Sir Gavin Williamson, who in December 2020 took local education authorities to court to stop them closing because of Covid then a few weeks later closed the schools himself.
    An outrageous slur. Boris! and his cabinet definitely got the vaccine right and that means Covid with it. Rishi is taking his own enquiry to court to stop them having the audacity to ask to see messages like Sir Gavin's undoubtedly erudite and well-reasoned explanation for this perfectly reasonable taking of LAs to court. It's irrelevant and damaging and it would be much better if we could blame the truly guilty person with regards to the government and Covid - Keir Starmer.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Hello. I’d like to talk to you about a woman I met recently. Let’s call her “Nadine”. She came to us with a story that we hear all too often. Nadine had been living a respectable life as a romantic novelist and member of parliament when she fell under the spell of an unscrupulous conman. We’ll call him “Boris”.

    https://thecritic.co.uk/The-Stroppy-Appeal/
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,812

    DavidL said:

    Is Lorna Slater the most incompetent and stupidest minister in the history of the UK? https://twitter.com/HolyroodDaily/status/1668557032671137792

    We can only pray that the answer is yes.

    Sadly not.

    I raise you Sir Gavin Williamson, who in December 2020 took local education authorities to court to stop them closing because of Covid then a few weeks later closed the schools himself.
    Yes, he was wrong to close the schools. But we have another contender:
    https://wingsoverscotland.com/kirsty-blackmans-genitals/#more-137957

    It is really worth watching the 2 pieces of video in this piece, if only to see Joanna Cherry's responses behind her. It is seriously funny.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,243
    Leon said:

    DougSeal said:

    Leon said:

    Boris is over. It is done. Can we move on?

    It is actually getting quite boring, TBH (no offence intended to the mods who have to find new subjects so often). And the Boris-haters are doing their best to keep this story going just as much as the Boris-defenders

    ENOUGH!

    Yes. We should continue to devote all threads to you, your trips, your photos, and your monothematic obsessions.
    How can you have monothematic obsessions PLURAL?

    I have multiple obsessions. I am diverse in my manias
    Isn’t that the same thing?

    You have an obsession with COVID labs

    You have an obsession with UFOs

    You don’t believe that COVID was spread by UFOs to soften us up for an alien invasion (I think. I hope.)

    Hence all your obsessions (plural) are monothematic

  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 4,664
    edited June 2023
    Eabhal said:

    Eabhal said:

    Huge thunderstorm over the North-west Highlands!

    Ouch. So there is.

    I hope nobody has been caught out on the Kintail or Mullardoch hills.

    Whiteouts / blizzards I can deal with, but thunderstorm risk is the one thing I'm paranoid about.

    Perhaps I spent too long speaking to the Professor who documented UK lightning incidents.
    I hate them. Got caught out in California once, ears ringing, and then you have to deal with the flooding and landslides.

    My friends have come off the hill safely - phew!
    Good news.

    Looks like upper Mullardoch was worst hit. Lightning tracker shows 100+ strikes on Mullach na Dheiragain alone
    and the north side of the loch is no better. Beinn Dearg (Ullapool) also seems to have been picked out.

    Fingers crossed there were no incidents.

    I did get caught out on Am Basteir once, which was a hair raising experience...
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,900
    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    ClippP said:

    Leon said:

    Boris is over. It is done. Can we move on?

    It is actually getting quite boring, TBH (no offence intended to the mods who have to find new subjects so often). And the Boris-haters are doing their best to keep this story going just as much as the Boris-defenders

    ENOUGH!

    Be fair, Mr Leon. Some of us have disliked and despised Johnson ever since he was editor of the Spectator. He has destroyed the reputation of everybody and everything he has come into contact with.

    Please let us savour his removal from the political scene for just a bit longer.
    Fair enough

    Tho I do wonder if the Boris haters will actually miss him in a masochistic way. They so loved to loathe him. They enjoyed their sense of righteous repulsion

    It’s quite hard to hate Rishi Sunak, at best you can find him laughable or hypocritical but he is not the brilliant panto villain like Bozza
    There is also great snobbery value in hating Boris, after all he is most popular with Sun reading working class white van man. And you really don't want to have to vote the same way as the man who uses the tradesman's entrance (albeit you mostly did in 2019 with a peg on your nose to keep Corbyn out if the LDs didn't have a chance in your seat).

    However while it is now unacceptable to say you like Boris at upper middle class London and Home Counties dinner parties, it is acceptable to even say you will vote for Rishi at such events
    Is he? Polls don't actually show that, and the dripping sneer of "white van man believes whatever The S*n tells them" doesn't really endear them to vote Tory.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,243

    Awkward:

    I’ve had my suspicions for a long time. My family would like to request privacy over this difficult time. It has been a shock but ultimately only wish for his happiness. Thank you 🙏

    https://twitter.com/mercer_felicity/status/1668586935500013571



    Prick News…..never right for long…..

    That’s a hell of dignified response by his wife. fair play to her.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,134
    edited June 2023

    Now that the blob have got rid of Boris Johnson can they do the same for Brexit please.

    One step at a time. The blob still has Suella and Rees-Mogg to attend to.
    The blob is going on my bedroom wall if they manage that.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,900

    Awkward:

    I’ve had my suspicions for a long time. My family would like to request privacy over this difficult time. It has been a shock but ultimately only wish for his happiness. Thank you 🙏

    https://twitter.com/mercer_felicity/status/1668586935500013571



    Prick News…..never right for long…..

    That’s a hell of dignified response by his wife. fair play to her.
    best to read down the thread...

    https://twitter.com/mercer_felicity/status/1668612947713617920
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,802

    DougSeal said:

    Now that the blob have got rid of Boris Johnson can they do the same for Brexit please.

    The only way to make the psychological burden of Brexit 'go away' is to accept it as a permanent reality.
    Much as you Brexiteers would love us to live in a monocultural society without freedom of speech or political opinion, one doesn’t accept something that has cost one so much and can be reversed as “permanent”. As soon as you accept you were wrong, apologise for duping the nation, and put forward realistic options for mitigating the catastrophe you have created, preferably involving reparations, we might be able to accept Brexit. Until then many will continue to seek to correct the grievous error you have shamefully sold the country.
    Have you seen the ONS jobs report which shows the level of employment hitting a record high with unexpectedly strong pay growth? Whatever you think about Brexit, the way the UK economy is outperforming expectations requires an explanation.

    https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/employmentandemployeetypes/bulletins/uklabourmarket/june2023
    What sticks out to me is that it's men aged 50-64 who are "long term sick" in the inactivity numbers. The same gammons who probably spend all day calling anyone under 40 lazy and accuse us all of never having done a hard day of work. It's time to ramp up benefit sanctions on these "sick" just as Labour and the coalition governments did for the same kind of "long term sick" young people from 2005-2015 that put an extra million young people into work.
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,164

    SNP Depute leader Keith Brown says SNP MSPs agreed at their meeting today to send flowers to Nicola Sturgeon

    https://twitter.com/BBCDavidWL/status/1668610751945396224

    Carnations?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,812

    rcs1000 said:

    @HYUFD

    In the Bible it is stated that only 144,000 people will be saved (Revelation 7:4-8 and Revelation 14:1-5), so you need to have been pretty bloody good to get into heaven.

    12,000 per tribe

    In a time when “30” (as in “thirty days and thirty nights”) was a synonym for “many”
    "In my father's house there are many mansions. If it were not so I would have told you. "

    Or, to put it another way, God doesn't seem overly inhibited by planning regulations.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,070

    Awkward:

    I’ve had my suspicions for a long time. My family would like to request privacy over this difficult time. It has been a shock but ultimately only wish for his happiness. Thank you 🙏

    https://twitter.com/mercer_felicity/status/1668586935500013571



    Prick News…..never right for long…..

    That’s a hell of dignified response by his wife. fair play to her.
    best to read down the thread...

    https://twitter.com/mercer_felicity/status/1668612947713617920
    "Firstly, are you ok?"

    "Thrilled - saves me a job😉"
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,802
    kinabalu said:

    DougSeal said:

    Now that the blob have got rid of Boris Johnson can they do the same for Brexit please.

    The only way to make the psychological burden of Brexit 'go away' is to accept it as a permanent reality.
    Much as you Brexiteers would love us to live in a monocultural society without freedom of speech or political opinion, one doesn’t accept something that has cost one so much and can be reversed as “permanent”. As soon as you accept you were wrong, apologise for duping the nation, and put forward realistic options for mitigating the catastrophe you have created, preferably involving reparations, we might be able to accept Brexit. Until then many will continue to seek to correct the grievous error you have shamefully sold the country.
    Have you seen the ONS jobs report which shows the level of employment hitting a record high with unexpectedly strong pay growth? Whatever you think about Brexit, the way the UK economy is outperforming expectations requires an explanation.

    https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/employmentandemployeetypes/bulletins/uklabourmarket/june2023
    Pay growth below that of prices. That's not Mr Micawber's recipe for prosperity and happiness.
    At the bottom of the market pay is rising at about 10-11% vs 8.7% CPI inflation, or 7.8% CPIH. It's people in the upper middle income bands that are being squeezed by tax thresholds being frozen and pay rises around 5-8%.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,070

    Eabhal said:

    Eabhal said:

    Huge thunderstorm over the North-west Highlands!

    Ouch. So there is.

    I hope nobody has been caught out on the Kintail or Mullardoch hills.

    Whiteouts / blizzards I can deal with, but thunderstorm risk is the one thing I'm paranoid about.

    Perhaps I spent too long speaking to the Professor who documented UK lightning incidents.
    I hate them. Got caught out in California once, ears ringing, and then you have to deal with the flooding and landslides.

    My friends have come off the hill safely - phew!
    Good news.

    Looks like upper Mullardoch was worst hit. Lightning tracker shows 100+ strikes on Mullach na Dheiragain alone
    and the north side of the loch is no better. Beinn Dearg (Ullapool) also seems to have been picked out.

    Fingers crossed there were no incidents.

    I did get caught out on Am Basteir once, which was a hair raising experience...
    Static electricity will do that...
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,957

    Awkward:

    I’ve had my suspicions for a long time. My family would like to request privacy over this difficult time. It has been a shock but ultimately only wish for his happiness. Thank you 🙏

    https://twitter.com/mercer_felicity/status/1668586935500013571



    Prick News…..never right for long…..

    That’s a hell of dignified response by his wife. fair play to her.
    Different MP.
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,773

    Awkward:

    I’ve had my suspicions for a long time. My family would like to request privacy over this difficult time. It has been a shock but ultimately only wish for his happiness. Thank you 🙏

    https://twitter.com/mercer_felicity/status/1668586935500013571



    Prick News…..never right for long…..

    That’s a hell of dignified response by his wife. fair play to her.
    Not sure it's true somehow....

    https://twitter.com/mercer_felicity
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    Nigelb said:

    All perfectly normal.
    Former President Donald Trump’s arraignment in federal court in Miami, Florida.
    https://twitter.com/MrOlmos/status/1668628864510349312

    Anyone know the significance of the pig's head on a stick ?

    Trump's Florida counsel of record?

    Though generally spekaing, his legal advisors end up with their heads on a pike AFTER rather before commencing representation. Getting ahead of the curve?
  • mickydroymickydroy Posts: 316
    Johnson is not coming back this side of a general election, it wouldn't surprise me in the event of Labour winning a small majority, in four years time, he comes back in a by-election, and the Tory Party who lost their moral compass years ago, make him leader again, and who knows if he can think of some vacuous 3 word slogan, that the right wing media can get behind, he defeats labour in 2029


  • felixfelix Posts: 15,164
    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Boris is over. It is done. Can we move on?

    It is actually getting quite boring, TBH (no offence intended to the mods who have to find new subjects so often). And the Boris-haters are doing their best to keep this story going just as much as the Boris-defenders

    ENOUGH!

    Agreed. We should 'move on' and we'll be able to when every PBer signs up to the correct and final assessment of him as a total clownfuck and pisstake with not a single redeeming feature who should never have been allowed near a UK government let alone at the head of it.

    You can help by here and now resiling from what unless I've missed something (unlikely but possible) was your most recent take on him as a 'flawed colossus' whose downfall was a tragedy of Shakespearean proportions because it was self-inflicted and he 'could have been great'.
    Why? - the essence of the Boris tragedy lies in his extraordinary ability to win coupled with no idea whatsoever what to do next.
  • VerulamiusVerulamius Posts: 1,543
    According to the Parliament website Nadine Dorres is still a MP!

    No sign of any appointment on the HM Treasury website.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,955
    DavidL said:

    Is Lorna Slater the most incompetent and stupidest minister in the history of the UK? https://twitter.com/HolyroodDaily/status/1668557032671137792

    We can only pray that the answer is yes.

    Of course the SCons have happened upon the cracking wheeze of never having had to highlight their manifest incompetence by virtue of never having a sniff of a ministership in Holyrood. Won't either in your or my lifetimes I'd wager.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,486
    Leon said:

    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    FPT

    Keyu Jin is a Chinese economist teaching at the LSE.

    Is the west getting China wrong?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NeIXR8vcnXw

    She comes across in this interview with Gideon Rachman as bright, eloquent and knowledgeable. However I left it feeling distinctly uneasy. One of the comments underneath the video highlights all the things she fails to mention in her remarks. A couple of the things she did say left me a little flabbergasted. On the issue of democracy in China she thought that many young people had been put off by the 'chaos' in Hong Kong. I suppose chaos is one word you could use to describe it. As for tensions between the US and China she very much takes the 'both sides' approach, ignoring China's consistent wolf warrior diplomacy and belligerence. What of all the other countries in south east Asia and the threats they feel from the CCP? In her view the best way to resolve the conflict in the Taiwan strait is between the parties on both sides (suggesting that it is US involvement that is making war more likely). She mentions the one child policy in China and how the only child in her class at school who had a sibling was a Uighur. That was the last mention of Uighurs in the discussion.

    This is one of our top universities but I've always felt there was something odd about the LSE. Remember Colonel Gaddafi's son? And it does seem to be the Labour Party's university of choice. Perhaps because it is more classless than Oxbridge seems to be?

    There is a traditional rivalry between my alma mater, UCL, and LSE

    They once stole the head of our founder Jeremy Bentham. Bastards

    Also, the only real bar brawl I have ever seen was between UCL and LSE students when all of us in Ramsay Hall of residence went drinking in their hall next door. It was the proper stuff. Hurled glasses and broken mirrors and waist coated barmen ducking the flying bottles

    I confess I simply hid
    Wasn’t it the Strand Poly knobs who took the head of Jeremy Bentham?

    I was also in Ramsay and nicked their (LSE) bar blackboard from their hall over the road which they were thrilled about. Whenever they had a fire alarm at night we would throw water on them from the balcony on our floor because we were very mature.
    You’re right I think - it was KCL that nicked Jeremy

    However the rivalry was (is?) definitely with LSE. Because they are a big world class institution like UCL. Kings College not so much

    How brilliant that you also experienced the Ramsay-Carr Saunders altercations. Ramsay is also where I lost my virginity. Room 247
    Christ I popped my cherry in room 247 as well with some admittedly manly girl called Lady G. Scary coincidence.

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