If you want to buy the platform to help right wing governments around the world, just say it with your chest. It’s your money, go for it, but spare us the free speech BS. Old twitter rejected 50% of these demands, which isn’t perfect. New Twitter complies 100%.
By allowing Governments to censor some of twitter whole parts of the world will be seeking another option - such as bluesky as invites become available.
Whether this rigorous process will survive another 5 years if Erdogan wins is of course another matter .
The results of this election will have a huge impact on the west especially the EU and Cyprus , it’s very personal for me as my family are from there and Erdogan has been a disaster for any type of resolution to the division of the island since 1974 .
I’m not expecting a miracle even if the opposition wins but really at this point anything is better than Erdogan .
But the extent of the problem is increasing since the postwar generation. We're aware of it in terms of the inordinate difference it makes to life chances of you inherit a fraction of a house from your grandparents. But there is something happing at the very top as well.
Because wealth accumulates exponentially, it's much harder to start on the ground floor and get somewhere big in life. The lead some people start with, and the death of substantial provincial businesses, has made that sort of progression much harder.
Maybe that's inevitable- or more likely the side effects of levelling the playing field aren't ones we want. But the trends point to a dark place. Because society only works if most people feel.they have a reasonable stake in it.
Aside from conflating requests for censorship with laws, what we have here are people complaining that a company is obeying local laws. Rather than violating them.
Many of the same people back the EU requirements for monitoring, editing and blocking on social media.
Ah, but the morality of Turkey vs EU - true.
But do we want a world where companies or owners of companies decide which countries laws are a bit shitty and which aren’t?
The Turkish government asked Twitter to censor its opponents right before an election and @elonmusk complied — should generate some interesting Twitter Files reporting.
Did your brain fall out of your head, Yglesias? The choice is have Twitter throttled in its entirety or limit access to some tweets. Which one do you want?
What Wikipedia did: we stood strong for our principles and fought to the Supreme Court of Turkey and won. This is what it means to treat freedom of expression as a principle rather than a slogan.
Twitter used to routinely challenge Turkey’s takedown requests
Erdogan actually had Twitter banned in Turkey in 2014 for refusing to comply. (the courts later ended the ban.)
but that was on the “censorship” version of Twitter, not this new “free speech” one
Plus, City need the win when they are still juggling the treble.
My concern would be that a losing Erdogan might attempt a coup. I don’t know how unlikely that might be - but it’s not as though it hasn’t been tried before.
*Good thread on that here for anyone wanting details.
Now it’s more and more so.
So instead of proper piles of debt with every advance and innovation sold off for immediate shareholder return, they accumulate giant piles of money instead.
Instead of being pushed out of their own companies by Wall Street, Wall Street now begs them for money
Fundamentally people success by associating themselves with a power centre. It’s not a question of “upper class twits”.
Even in a “normal” job you find a mentor or a manager who you work with and for; they promote your interests and career in return for your hard work and support. More obviously you have the host of attractive junior SPADs clustered around fat balding MPs.
What we have done is essentially eliminate many other power centres - so people will associate themselves with money in order to further their own personal interests.
Life is not and has never been a meritocracy.
There was a period during the 80s and 90s when there was something close to a meritocracy. But from the late 90s / early 2000s we’ve seen the rise of the tech plutarchs, the hedge funders, the oligarchs, the narrowing of government circles and a lot of other trends.
Unless you are a power centre in your own right then you associate with one for protection and advancement
Voting has begun in Thailand's general election, where the daughter of ousted former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra is the frontrunner...
Mr Thaksin, a telecommunications billionaire, is loved by many lower income Thais but is deeply unpopular with the royalist elite. He was ousted in a military coup in 2006, when his opponents accused him of corruption. He has denied the allegations and has since been living in exile since 2008 in London and Dubai...
Meanwhile, Mr Prayuth, 69, is lagging in opinion polls. He seized power from the government of Mr Thaksin's sister, Yingluck Shinawatra, in 2014, following months of turmoil...
The constitution, written while Thailand was under military rule, created a 250-seat appointed senate, which gets to vote on the choice of the next PM and government.
As the senators were all appointed by the coup leaders they have always voted in favour of the current, military-aligned government, and never in favour of the opposition.
So technically any party without the senate's backing would need a super-majority of 376 out of the 500 seats, an unobtainable target.
"The Istanbul mayoral election, where CHP candidate Ekrem İmamoğlu defeated AKP candidate and former Prime Minister Binali Yıldırım by just under 14,000 votes (0.17%), remained disputed for two weeks after the vote. This result was made public after a blackout, by which point the CHP candidate was up by more than 24,000 votes. Numerous recounts, electoral complaints, legal disputes, alleged corruption, accusations of terrorist involvement and police operations took place after the election, initiated mainly by the AKP.
İmamoğlu was sworn in as mayor, though a new election was held on 23 June. The result was an unexpected landslide victory for İmamoğlu, who defeated Yıldırım by over nine points, 54.2% to 45%."
Shades of Winchester 1997 by-election ...
Incredibly wealthy and only slightly less deranged, Horatio was a trillionaire who left to discover his own star cluster. Finding a planet sprinkled with labs of ancient cloning technology left by the Endless, the boredom soon drove Horatio to create a race of allies, servants, and slaves who were every bit as beautiful as the most beautiful person in the universe - Horatio. Once the planet was repopulated, Horatio the First had only to look up, regard the stars, and realize how much more beautiful they, too, would be if they were filled with...Horatio. The rest, as they say, is history.
Tell me Musk or Bezos would not do it if they could.
He’s behaving the way he is because he thinks it’s in his interests to do so.
It’s just business.
United Fruit, anyone?
Yes, this can be abused, and we see people for instance using the law as a means of political activisim. But on the other hand some people make the exact same point - oppose people politically not legally - to in effect claim politicians should also be immune from consequence if they commit actual crimes.
It's a bit like *real* baklava, which is absolutely scrumptious. My home-made stuff is never as good (although making it at home allows me to vary the recipe).
But Musk isn't alone in this. Facebook and Google also appear to censor views they don't agree with. The power we, as consumers, have handed to big tech is the problem, not specifically Musk.
He certainly is not the free speech absolutist he once claimed.
I've been saying that Musk is a liar for years. I'm now willing to go further, but wish to save OGH legal costs...
In the situation we're in now, tech billionaires trying to maximise their profits, regardless of the consequences, is an extremely dangerous thing for our species.
That’s not what the code of conduct was intended to achieve
They sold all the tickets doncha know?
Regulate them as a public utility instead
If she wants to remain a barrister, then she’ll have to juggle being a senior politician and the code of conduct required of barristers.
Musk, who I admire in many other ways in spite of his flaws, has decided to ignore the past experiences with Turkey and has agreed to self imposed censorship. This is stupid in two ways.
1. It makes a mockery of his claims about free speech.
2. It ignores the previous history and legal precendent in Turkey where such attempts to mute Twitter have been declared illegal.
It is a stupid decision and one I hope he will come to regret.
I’m not comfortable with gross inequality. I don’t think it’s a stable long run equilibrium. A degree of inequality is a good thing (it acts an an incentive) but it needs to be self correcting either through social pressure (my preference) or government action. Individuals should not be able to stand apart from the civilisations that enabled them.
But the idea that a legal political comment should be criticised as “conduct unbecoming” is dangerous territory.
I hope that the Bar Council say it’s not their place to pass judgement on cases like this
Voting in the presidential and parliamentary elections closed at 3pm UK time, but apparently under Turkish law, results might not be released until 7pm our time, which just feels so dodgy right from the off
Looks like counting is at polling stations as per most countries, which means that small rural stations would ordinarily be able to report in under an hour after poll close.
Voting system is two rounds as per France/Brazil etc. Possibility that Kılıçdaroğlu wins outright today but this is Turkey where Erdoğan has ruled as either PM or president since 2003.
DYOR but Erdoğan is currently 4 on Befair which looks value to me so I've had a nibble.
If you find any result maps, would be very grateful if you could post.
do what we can
Compare and contrast to Beck at RocketLab. He is fascinated by Venus, and despite being a much smaller company, with a much smaller rocket, is planning to launch a self-funded probe to so *science* at Venus.
And the problem with treating them as monopolies is that - certainly in the case of a comany like Facebook, they are far from being a monopoly. They are just very successful at what they do and people chose to use them. There are lots of alternatives and they are well used and supported.
When Twitter was bought by Musk there was all that talk about people moving to Mastadon. And yet a few months later and everyone is still talking about Twitter.
People use these social media platforms because they like them. Forcing them to use others against their will seems to me to be particularly stupid.
And I say that as someone who thinks the whole of Twitter and its alternatives are stupid.
If she wants to return to being a barrister later in her career, presumably she could just re-register as a barrister, going through the usual processes.
Barristers have a code of conduct. If you feel this conflicts with a right to free speech, take it up with the barristers. Why should Braverman get special treatment? If there’s a problem, doesn’t it affect all barristers?
Ok so I've managed to find the holy grail of any election results coverage after the local TV stations, and that's the results map, 2018 included for comparison.
Braverman is the one who wants to be a politician and a barrister at the same time, and Braverman is the one who made comments that were widely criticised across the political spectrum. What’s wrong with Braverman being responsible for her actions?
Tho one wonders if he will voluntarily relinquish power if he loses this election
Bolsonaro, Trump, Orban, Sakashvili (he walked, but may be regretting that now), Modi.
The ANC have yet to be tested on this and probably won’t be for a long time. Netanyahu hasn’t done in the past but times have changed.
I’m in no doubt Trump would have become a dictator if he came to power in a less established democracy.
This much can be said with a degree of confidence in the last lot of days:
1. He is unwell and the public signs are there.
2. Someone on a private jet used for Russian government business has turned up in Minsk yesterday, that is not a common visitor
3. He has visited hospital
After that its speculation of anything between he is dead already to he will be back wearing his big Field Marshal hat in a week or so after some treatment. It is worth watching though as some things add up and some don't.
Meanwhile the Russians have lost 4, possibly 5, military aircraft over their own border territory in the last 48 hours, the worst loss in such a short time of airborne aircraft since the war started. No one, it appears, has an explanation other than one was definitely downed by a missile.