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Or do they instead replace Sunak with a Johnson/Truss/ Braverman/Badenoch style headbanger?
I am still not comfortable that Labour are trusted enough yet for the Conservatives not to magic up another victory from thin air.
And that looks like an early first.
Good morning, everyone.
F1: splendid slice of fortune turned my Perez 9.5 bet green as could be. Will start writing the pre-race tosh shortly.
FPT 2:
Well, this is annoying. Despite qualifying finishing eight and a half hours ago the markets aren't fully up. I tend to quite like checking the group markets but they're nowhere to be seen...
I have no doubt change is coming but not sure just how it will pan out
I very much doubt the conservatives will move against Sunak and, apart from the siren voices of the Nadine Dorries Johnson obsessives, Sunak will lead into GE 24
Johnson's attire yesterday was a disgrace as he showed no respect to anyone attending the event
Compare and contrast Johnson to the unexpected star of the coronation, Penny Mordaunt who has received congratulations and admiration for her 'sword bearing' from across the political divide including Emily Thornberry and most surprisingly Alistair Campbell
Well done Penny and one to watch
I would just add as an ambivalent monarchist, I do believe yesterday mattered to millions and even the Church of England tradition, while archaic, is important to many so why just not be pleased for everyone enjoying themselves rather than carping on the side
The 1953 coronation I witnessed was in a very different time with Churchill as PM and of course Britain was very much a colonial power and when I contrast it to yesterday, there has been a very welcome change to more inclusion and diversity.
I expect Charles will continue to adapt the monarchy to today's world and I wish him well and much prefer a monarchy to a republic but also fully understand why so many Commonwealth countries will become republics in time
The Mordaunt love really perplexes me. I thought she looked really peculiar. Her outfit was utterly bizarre. Her whole set-up and demeanour screamed high camp, nothing more. But I am clearly in the minority - at least on here!
What do you base your pessimism/optimism about lack of trust Labour and a Tory victory on? You go on a lot about this but where’s the evidence to back up your assertion?
Personally, not my cup of tea. I generally seek more from a leader than being able to carry a big metal stick and look severe, but appreciate how she might look refreshingly dignified to a certain type of Tory.
Will she be leader? I doubt it.
From the Guardian
"Pippa Middleton of the coronation: Penny Mordaunt steals the show"
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/may/06/pippa-middleton-of-the-coronation-penny-mordaunt-steals-the-show
To the Telegraph
"Penny Mordaunt emerges as the Pippa Middleton of the Coronation"
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2023/05/06/penny-mourdant-outfit-king-coronation/
To the indy
"Mightier than the sword: Who is Penny Mordaunt, the surprise star of King Charles’ coronation?"
to Time magazine
https://time.com/6277718/penny-mordaunt-king-charles-coronation/
To Sky
https://news.sky.com/story/kings-coronation-penny-mordaunt-takes-the-limelight-carrying-enormous-sword-12874628
To People Magazine
https://people.com/royals/all-about-penny-mordaunt-the-politician-at-king-charles-coronation/
To Australia
‘Pippa of the coronation’: World swoons over Penny Mordaunt
https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/celebrity-life/royals/pippa-of-the-coronation-world-swoons-over-penny-mordaunt/news-story/618131fdd44707382c9d23eafcb0db07
And many many more
I meant sunak
I might be wrong, but that was my point. There is a little bit more to the premiership than looking good at a ceremony.
There are however some Tories that would have liked it, largely because she contrasts so strongly with Sunak, Truss and Johnson.
I still doubt she will be leader.
If we can get round her having been politically partisan for quite a while, might she make a more than decent speaker?
Another thought on yesterday- it was splendid to have Rishi reading an epistle, but jarring in that case. It was a pretty hardcore bit of explicitly Christian theology being read by a non-Christian. Full marks to Rishi but not fair on him. There's plenty of "be excellent to each other" readings in both Testaments that would have been more appropriate. Someone on the Church side should have spotted that.
https://www.independent.ie/world-news/britain/mightier-than-the-sword-who-is-penny-mordaunt-the-surprise-star-for-coronation-of-britains-king-charles/a1375215267.html
https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/who-is-penny-mordaunt-u-k-politician-first-woman-to-present-sword-of-offering-to-british-monarch-1.6387314
https://en.as.com/latest_news/who-is-penny-mordaunt-the-woman-in-the-teal-colored-dress-carrying-the-17th-century-sword-of-state-n/
Especially given that her actual achievements as a minister are negligible to say the least.
I mentioned on Friday that Rishi Sunak is nothing to anyone.
Quite harsh but that's about the sum of it. He can't win back the blue wall and he can't win back the red wall.
Bonny day here and hope the same in Ayrshire
The compliments Penny are receiving are from many different political and non political people and I doubt you have experienced carrying anything like the sword she did yesterday and somethings are above politics and sniping and this is one of them
I am about to continue a DIY project and hope you have an enjoyable day
If Sunak crashes (as seems likely) to a bad defeat in 2024 the Tories will be desperate to find someone else who can pep them up. Penny M is funny and charismatic. I can see her getting the gig
Who else? Kemi B?
She's too toppy for me, but clearly the curiosity of the world is piqued
ETA to clarify we are talking about Rishi Sunak, not Starmer. Hills offer just 5/1 but are operating to double the overround, not applying political judgement.
I liked Penny as the best of a bad bunch in the Tory leadership contest last year, but she was pretty vacuous when put in the spotlight, and her denial of her previous views a failure of integrity.
But we're also all a lot more savvy these days. We can see all around us that there is a chronic staff shortage. In short, we NEED immigrants! The entertainment industry is collapsing because we chased out all those brilliant eastern European workers. White Brits don't want to get up at 3.30 am to go and pick potatoes in a muddy Lincolnshire field. And the NHS is falling apart because staff are leaving in droves.
I'm not sure Starmer could dare to go head-on about this, because the Hate Mail would be jabbering and screeching, but perhaps the anti-immigration right wing lurch of the current tory party is doing to their chances exactly what John Major did with his Back to Basics nonsense.
They're doomed. I know it. Most people know it. Just a few refuseniks for whom the scales are yet to fall.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/94a4f86c-ec2b-11ed-b57b-ee6b80a630d2?shareToken=48660d61913a3658911ef93513aafb5c
And yet when Sunak is toppled and the Tories look in a cupboard for a replacement, that cupboard is going to be stark and empty. I can see Mordaunt making it into a final V Kemi Badenoch, and she could win
Also it wasn't simply her Wokeness that ruined her chances last time. It was her oddly wooden performances in the Debates, when many of us were willing her on, and when she is known to be an articulate and witty speaker. Now we know that she was going through some horrible family stuff, and was understandably distracted
Of course there is the minor point that she seems to lack any serious, coherent political philosophy but that is true of Keir Starmer and Rishi Sunak
After the election defeat she will recast herself as a moderate, after a lot of nastiness she has spouted in the last twelve months.
But the next leader of the Cons party will be a poisoned chalice. They will be out of office for at least a decade.
Later on in a desperate fit of wishful thinking I said "she might surprise on the upside"
I am happy to admit I got that quite significantly wrong
Really? Penny Mordaunt?
This is her backstory
"Mordaunt was 15 when her mother died of breast cancer and after leaving school, she became her younger brother Edward's primary caregiver. The following year her father was also diagnosed with cancer, from which he recovered. In order to support her time at university Mordaunt worked in a Johnson & Johnson factory,"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penny_Mordaunt
Would you like me to paste back on here all those love-in praise quotes you heaped on Truss during the leadership campaign?
Or shall we just leave it there?
Rishi read it well as has been widely accepted, and to be fair how many other PMs past or future will have to perform similar roles without having a personal belief in them
I have a whole series of your love-ins about Truss. You said she had star quality. That somehow, quite by chance, the tory party had stumbled upon the diamond in the rough, a person of stellar appeal and quality, who was going to revitalise the Conservative Party.
You were suckered by Truss and now you're suckered by Mordaunt. Your political judgement is over-ruled by emotions, or your cock, or both.
Penny Mordaunt AFAIK has never executed any of her many ministerial posts competently. Still would prefer her to Badenoch as PM who I suspect might have some latent capability if she wasn't so obsessed by ideology.
And remember, I did spot THE NECKLACE
Which was the single greatest psycho-political observation in the history of PB
...who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son. In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins...
If Rishi believes that, how can he not potter down to his nearest vicarage and ask to convert? I'm not accusing Rishi of doing anything wrong, but the Church was impolite in getting him to read that text. Part of doing multi-and-no faith services well is recognising which words are neutral and which ones aren't.
Unfortunately (because it is my church after all, and I'm off to run a coronation Sunday School in a bit) there have been a couple of missteps by the CofE this Coronation, and they've been linked to overreaching with how Anglican the country is.
A useful reminder of the last time @Leon did this to us
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11204029/Tory-MP-Penny-Mordaunts-brother-avoids-jail-admitting-sending-sex-images-decoy-schoolgirl.html
Edit - this could actually be construed to be a real example of what labour have been attacking Sunak on, ie where someone convicted of child sex offences doesn't go to jail.
So, well done. You've just wasted 3 minutes of your life when you could have been keeping more boiled water warm
But I'm flattered that you actually hoard screenshots of my comments
I wouldn't have minded reading out a religious text for a friend at a ceremony, and indeed have worn a skull-cap at a synagogue before for a friend's wedding and joined in the chanting. I like tradition and ritual anyway and would view it as a sign of respect and would do my best to both appreciate it and understand it.
This sort of sentiment is more about our own discomfort with our own religion and traditions.
And she is known to be bone idle. Part-time Penny was her tag in office.
I remember reading one tory activist expressing surprise at the way she wafted into the Hay on Way book festival by helicopter and then out again shortly after. They felt that there was a chip missing. Something that didn't all quite click or feel right.
Others who have worked with her are less charitable.
A trivial argument
Time and time again his aggression towards women comes out on here.
Never been to sea but wears the dolphins. Worse than "dodgy".
We didn't have to put up with your clichéd blitherings on here.
That's how news is done these days, it seems.
It does reflect well on her that she hasn't thrown her brother under a bus to save their own career, like some people do when this sort of thing happens.
As we know from its pursuit of Ed Miliband and Keir Starmer, the Mail is not necessarily that focused on balance when it decides to go after someone in politics it has taken a dislike to.
I can easily see the Mail being a lot kinder to Mordaunt in the future. It will be as if its previous disdain and hatred had never existed!
You have admitted to her you were wrong and she just reposts as if she wants to continue an argument which is over
Time to move on
The Brexit link weakening doesn't surprise me. Once Brexit was "done" it was always going to be the case that voters would then want delivery and that's where the Tories are perceived to be failing.
He can’t help himself, it is in his nature to plot and undermine leaders.
We think he must have because he's non-white and a Hindu - and feel a bit cringey about him being "forced" to do our culture, again reflecting our own discomforts not his - but I can assure you he won't have minded in the slightest.
It's a total non-issue.
In which case who succeeds Rishi?
This is where Mordaunt has a chance, simply because she has name recognition and a kind of brand. Apart from her there's Kemi Badenoch. Maybe Cleverley, like @SouthamObserver says?
Jeremy Hunt will go down with the ship
The bookies have Badenoch as favourite, Boris 2nd favorite (just not going to happen, surely) then Mordaunt next, then Wallace
https://www.oddschecker.com/politics/british-politics/next-conservative-leader-after-rishi-sunak