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  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,083

    rkrkrk said:

    At what point do you think they'll be polling as low as the Tories?
    You must be hurting as independence disappears in front of your eyes
    I'm not really paying too much attention to the people that have predicted 37 of the last 0 downfalls of the SNP and indy.

    But situation normal there.
    What's a good result for SNP? Remaining largest party in Scotland?
    I think they're on course for that whatever happens. Not much sign in the polling that anyone has fallen back in love with SLab or the Starmer project, and indy polling is still around 45%+ for Yes. Humza is repeating his leadership campaign of so far not managing to fuck up too obviously*, so who knows?

    *Tory Unionists entirely complicit in the CameronBrexitMayJohnsonTruss shitberg chortling about 'Useless' are not any guide.
    I do wish people would stop the Yousless stuff, it could really blow up in people's faces.
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 8,297

    rkrkrk said:

    At what point do you think they'll be polling as low as the Tories?
    You must be hurting as independence disappears in front of your eyes
    I'm not really paying too much attention to the people that have predicted 37 of the last 0 downfalls of the SNP and indy.

    But situation normal there.
    What's a good result for SNP? Remaining largest party in Scotland?
    I think they're on course for that whatever happens. Not much sign in the polling that anyone has fallen back in love with SLab or the Starmer project, and indy polling is still around 45%+ for Yes. Humza is repeating his leadership campaign of so far not managing to fuck up too obviously*, so who knows?

    *Tory Unionists entirely complicit in the CameronBrexitMayJohnsonTruss shitberg chortling about 'Useless' are not any guide.
    Interesting. I was looking at the graph here and thinking there's a chance Lab catch SNP. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:ScotlandC.svg



  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,821
    kle4 said:

    rkrkrk said:

    At what point do you think they'll be polling as low as the Tories?
    You must be hurting as independence disappears in front of your eyes
    I'm not really paying too much attention to the people that have predicted 37 of the last 0 downfalls of the SNP and indy.

    But situation normal there.
    What's a good result for SNP? Remaining largest party in Scotland?
    I think they're on course for that whatever happens. Not much sign in the polling that anyone has fallen back in love with SLab or the Starmer project, and indy polling is still around 45%+ for Yes. Humza is repeating his leadership campaign of so far not managing to fuck up too obviously*, so who knows?

    *Tory Unionists entirely complicit in the CameronBrexitMayJohnsonTruss shitberg chortling about 'Useless' are not any guide.
    I do wish people would stop the Yousless stuff, it could really blow up in people's faces.
    I know, it should be more properly spelt "Useless".
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,083

    MattW said:

    kle4 said:

    ..

    In defence of Biden, and setting aside his age. I agree with the view that he's under-rated.

    Every time he's been tested, he's exceeded expectations. Whether it be mid-term elections, making major speeches, setting a clear course for the economy, or anything else I can think of he has, to coin a phrase, surprised on the upside.

    He also has a quality that recent UK PMs have sorely lacked. He delegates a lot of stuff to intelligent, competent people who just get on with their jobs.

    I just wish he were 50 rather than 80.

    He also hates the UK, a neurosis that sadly has not mellowed with age. Combined with a biddable UK PM like Sunak (doubt Starmer will be a great improvement), his continued tenure is bad for us.
    Didn't he back us fully over the Falklands, when others were being more wishy washy?
    Yes, he was impressive in that interview. I don't know why he took our side, and it doesn't really matter - perhaps there was an anti-fascist perspective that he was aligning with. It remains true that his words and actions in Government are of someone who regards the UK as both his province, and a disliked foe. And we have nobody on our side who will raise so much as an eyebrow, much less an objection. Sunak makes Boris look almost Thatcheresque in his defence of the national interest.
    Quite amused that his dad was a used car salesman.

    Chose the right side over Nixon in Senate. Has benefited from one or two lucky episodes: forgivable.

    Has enough in his personal history to have a few scars. Comes across as a decent human in dealing with other human beings when he does not have to, rather than a self-serving bastard as say Johnson or Clinton.

    Seems to have a rather strange attachment to a cartoon Irish identity. But has crossed the coasts of the USA in his head which means a huge amount.

    And has made a lot of good calls. Right side on gun violence, and road violence (maybe, eventually).

    For now, I'll take Biden.
    He was called Creepy Joe before he was called Sleepy Joe. I think it takes a certain sort of person to rise to the top of politics in the US full stop. The issue with Trump isn't that he's a narcissistic sociopath, but that he isn't the establishment narcissistic sociopath.
    It's because he doesn't accept when he has lost. That's genuinely dangerous. I think rcs1000 even identified positives in the Trump domestic record in advance of 2016, things we would not really hear about here because he is so disliked, but not accepting a loss is beyond the pale. Legal challenges are supposed to be reserved for when there is merit, not a tactic to convince people it was all fixed.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,958
    Nigelb said:

    At what point do you think they'll be polling as low as the Tories?
    You must be hurting as independence disappears in front of your eyes
    I'm not really paying too much attention to the people that have predicted 37 of the last 0 downfalls of the SNP and indy.

    But situation normal there.
    TBF, I think there is a slight decoupling of the prospects of the two.
    Nat Whisperer Big_G seems to think that they're very much coupled.
  • agingjb2agingjb2 Posts: 114
    And if anyone is proud of the way we have treated the Chagos Islanders, then "moral compass" is absent beyond remedy.
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  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,070
    moonshine said:

    John Bolton still 1000-1. Does he really have that little chance?

    Less.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,523

    This is a government of monsters.

    UK secretly deported 100 Nepali guards who protected staff in Kabul

    Exclusive: People who risked their lives and were evacuated to Britain were forcibly removed to Nepal days later


    More than 100 Nepali guards who risked their lives to protect British embassy staff in Afghanistan before the Taliban seized back control were secretly returned to Nepal against their wishes shortly after being airlifted to safety in the UK, the Guardian can reveal.

    Hundreds of Nepali nationals and a smaller number of Indian nationals who protected key institutions in Kabul were brought to the UK on an RAF flight during the chaotic evacuation of the Afghan capital by western countries in August 2021, as victorious Taliban forces closed in.

    It has now emerged that days after they arrived in the UK, more than 100 of these evacuees were forcibly removed to their home countries even though many had been issued with six-month visas on arrival.

    The Guardian has interviewed some of the deported guards, who believed their lives were in danger in Nepal. Some were forcibly removed from hotel rooms in the UK in areas including Northampton, Reading, Oxford and Swindon before completing what at the time was a mandatory 10-day period of Covid-19 pandemic hotel quarantine for new arrivals in the UK.

    Nepal was designated as a red-list country, with UK government instructions that people should not travel there, when the former guards were flown back in 2021.

    Some have managed to find their way back to the UK since 2021 and have claimed asylum.

    In March, at least 10 Nepali guards who protected the British embassy staff in Kabul and were still living in the UK were arrested in a raid at their west London hotel and detained by the Home Office.


    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/apr/25/uk-secretly-deported-100-nepali-guards-who-protected-staff-in-kabul-afghanistan

    Awful indeed, but hardly surprising with this government.

    Is there a more right-on, left-wing, Tory than TSE?
    I don't think you have to be right on or left wing to find many actions of the current administration to be utterly contemptible. What is so infuriating is that it is so utterly unnecessary. Not even the most rabid anti-immigration right winger would be complaining about a hundred Nepalese who protected the lives of our diplomats in Afghanistan staying in the country. It saves bugger all in terms of money and is simply an act of ignorant spite.

    I cannot remember an administration in post war Britain which so comprehensively failed on morality, honesty, competence and basic common decency as Johnson's did.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,439

    This is a government of monsters.

    UK secretly deported 100 Nepali guards who protected staff in Kabul

    Exclusive: People who risked their lives and were evacuated to Britain were forcibly removed to Nepal days later


    More than 100 Nepali guards who risked their lives to protect British embassy staff in Afghanistan before the Taliban seized back control were secretly returned to Nepal against their wishes shortly after being airlifted to safety in the UK, the Guardian can reveal.

    Hundreds of Nepali nationals and a smaller number of Indian nationals who protected key institutions in Kabul were brought to the UK on an RAF flight during the chaotic evacuation of the Afghan capital by western countries in August 2021, as victorious Taliban forces closed in.

    It has now emerged that days after they arrived in the UK, more than 100 of these evacuees were forcibly removed to their home countries even though many had been issued with six-month visas on arrival.

    The Guardian has interviewed some of the deported guards, who believed their lives were in danger in Nepal. Some were forcibly removed from hotel rooms in the UK in areas including Northampton, Reading, Oxford and Swindon before completing what at the time was a mandatory 10-day period of Covid-19 pandemic hotel quarantine for new arrivals in the UK.

    Nepal was designated as a red-list country, with UK government instructions that people should not travel there, when the former guards were flown back in 2021.

    Some have managed to find their way back to the UK since 2021 and have claimed asylum.

    In March, at least 10 Nepali guards who protected the British embassy staff in Kabul and were still living in the UK were arrested in a raid at their west London hotel and detained by the Home Office.


    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/apr/25/uk-secretly-deported-100-nepali-guards-who-protected-staff-in-kabul-afghanistan

    Awful indeed.

    Is there a more right-on, left-wing, Tory than TSE?
    I'm pure Thatcherite/Cameroon.
    And yet you spend almost all your time attacking your own party on here, using words like "evil" or "monsters" and cheer every setback.

    You are just like JRM or Bridgen, just from the other wing of the party.
    You are mistaken, I've constantly pointed out that the Tories are likely to do better than the current polls.

    Such as

    https://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2023/04/16/the-new-shy-tories/

    https://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2023/01/01/dont-knows-and-brexit-are-starmers-kryptonite/

    If you are proud of the way we have treated the Nepalese then I suggest you check your moral compass.

    I'm not mistaken. Your language and posts beneath the line speak for itself.

    The rest of your post is a distraction technique, and attempt to turn it around, as you often do when challenged like this.
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