We might molly coddle certain industries via a light regulatory touch, but what other industry do we outright subsidize here?
The EU generally takes a dim view of outright subsidies so the UK does less of it than it would if left to its own devices, but the obvious example they're currently trying to get away with subsidizing is nuclear power.
We might molly coddle certain industries via a light regulatory touch, but what other industry do we outright subsidize here?
The EU generally takes a dim view of outright subsidies so the UK does less of it than it would if left to its own devices, but the obvious example they're currently trying to get away with subsidizing is nuclear power.
There is a certain irony that the EU is trying to stop us bribing the French...
The EFTA free trade area statistics are very interesting. ALthough IIRC, the EU has free trade agreements with many of them too - such as Albania, Bosnia, Tuekey, the Ukraine, etc. Presumably many of the agreements will be parallel ones to EU ones. I would be interested to see places where there are EFTA FTAs and no corresponding EU ones.
Re Canada and the EU, I read that "negotiations began in early 2007". Where is your late 2009 number from?
How does the EU deal with the re-export of goods imported into Norway from - say - Canada?
From the European Commission page I linked to :
"At the June 2007 EU-Canada Summit, leaders agreed to carry out a joint scoping study to lay the foundation for a future trade agreement. The conclusions of this study, which was presented at the October 2008 EU-Canada Summit, persuaded the leaders to agree to begin negotiations on a Comprehensive Economic and Trade Agreement. Negotiations began in October 2009 and have both an ambitious timescale, both sides aim to complete negotiations within two years, and an ambitious scope."
So, in fact, we're both right. A study began in 2007, but official negotiations only began in 2009.
Thank you very much.
Sorry Robert but that is not correct. Your specifically said:
"More importantly, the EFTA countries were only able to enter into that agreement because of the parallel negotiations for the EU-Canada Free Trade Deal which was agreed on 18 October 2013. Without this agreement (which is not yet law), the EFTA-Canada free trade deal would not have been possible."
This is definitely not the case. The EFTA trade agreement with Canada had already been signed before the EU even started negotiations.
As I said. Membership of EFTA seems to be far better for free trade than membership of the EU.
Markit released its monthly PMI for UK Construction this morning.
Continuing thre recovery of the sector, now in place for over six months the PMI for January was 64.6, up from 62.1 in December.
Given that the last three Construction PMIs have all been over 60 it does make one wonder how the ONS reached a conclusion that Construction Output fell by 0.3% in Q4 2013.
So on the most up to date figures we in fact have the complete opposite of a consumer led boom. David Smith or David Blanchflower, who to believe?
Well one was financial jouro of the year 2013 and the other predicted 4M unemployed for 2013.
@paulwaugh: Business ppl say it privately, but now BP boss publicly warns of currency 'uncertainties' Scots independence cd cause http://t.co/55BkobGqk2
Eck will want to kick his company out of Scotland. Oh, wait...
Turnip head adds his value, Oh wait ......
Malcolm, the day you stop being rude about those who hold different views to your own will be the day I believe you think you are actually going to win...
.....So do carry on with the windy rhetoric, half baked ad-Homs and bumptious bluster....us Unionists find it very reassuring.....
Carlotta, In that instance I was not being rude, merely confirming what Scott's posts indicate. It may come as a surprise to you but I really do think it will be YES, any other outcome would suggest the country has more insane than sane people.
Carlotta, In that instance I was not being rude, merely confirming what Scott's posts indicate. It may come as a surprise to you but I really do think it will be YES, any other outcome would suggest the country has more insane than sane people.
So all people who don't agree on your viewpoint on independence are insane?
@paulwaugh: Business ppl say it privately, but now BP boss publicly warns of currency 'uncertainties' Scots independence cd cause http://t.co/55BkobGqk2
Eck will want to kick his company out of Scotland. Oh, wait...
Turnip head adds his value, Oh wait ......
MalcomG, do you promise to be posting here in the days following the referendum, regardless of the result?
I suspect the malcolmg will be on here about as much stuart_truth...
Actually, deluded as he is, I genuinely think malcolmg believes everything he types. If you want to know how he is likely to react post disappointment, can I recommend the excellent book When Prophecy Fails.
Tut Tut Robert, I do enjoy the banter on here and am interested in opinions , even is some are deluded. I assure you I am no Stuart Truth and as long as it remains interesting I will be here.
As per previous posts I would be most depressed if it was NO as I would rather see it independent and perhaps would not be around for the second vote when it finally happened.
Markit released its monthly PMI for UK Construction this morning.
Continuing thre recovery of the sector, now in place for over six months the PMI for January was 64.6, up from 62.1 in December.
Given that the last three Construction PMIs have all been over 60 it does make one wonder how the ONS reached a conclusion that Construction Output fell by 0.3% in Q4 2013.
So on the most up to date figures we in fact have the complete opposite of a consumer led boom. David Smith or David Blanchflower, who to believe?
Well one was financial jouro of the year 2013 and the other predicted 4M unemployed for 2013.
I apologise for understating his poor forecasting skills.
Do I gather from your many references to the West country we have a clan of McWurzles ?
I think you missed the amusing revelations that the all powerful Al McFreedom website is actually written and broadcast from the heart of the "Great Satan" - Zomerzet
No leads by 8% among males and among females the no lead is 30%
And the class split Easteross noted earlier....
No lead: ABC1: +23 C2DE: +16
The greatest number of "Don't knows" are SNP (15), cf Tories (3), and 22% of SNP will vote "no" - only 62% "yes" cf Tories 90% no....doesn't look like its Cameron who needs to persuade his followers....
The EFTA free trade area statistics are very interesting. ALthough IIRC, the EU has free trade agreements with many of them too - such as Albania, Bosnia, Tuekey, the Ukraine, etc. Presumably many of the agreements will be parallel ones to EU ones. I would be interested to see places where there are EFTA FTAs and no corresponding EU ones.
Re Canada and the EU, I read that "negotiations began in early 2007". Where is your late 2009 number from?
How does the EU deal with the re-export of goods imported into Norway from - say - Canada?
From the European Commission page I linked to :
"At the June 2007 EU-Canada Summit, leaders agreed to carry out a joint scoping study to lay the foundation for a future trade agreement. The conclusions of this study, which was presented at the October 2008 EU-Canada Summit, persuaded the leaders to agree to begin negotiations on a Comprehensive Economic and Trade Agreement. Negotiations began in October 2009 and have both an ambitious timescale, both sides aim to complete negotiations within two years, and an ambitious scope."
So, in fact, we're both right. A study began in 2007, but official negotiations only began in 2009.
Thank you very much.
Sorry Robert but that is not correct. Your specifically said:
"More importantly, the EFTA countries were only able to enter into that agreement because of the parallel negotiations for the EU-Canada Free Trade Deal which was agreed on 18 October 2013. Without this agreement (which is not yet law), the EFTA-Canada free trade deal would not have been possible."
This is definitely not the case. The EFTA trade agreement with Canada had already been signed before the EU even started negotiations.
As I said. Membership of EFTA seems to be far better for free trade than membership of the EU.
Yes, you are correct and I was wrong. My understanding was that they were parallel negotiations. That is not correct: there was an EU study during the period of the EFTA negotiations.
However, if you're going to nitpick, you also went on to claim that EFTA had FTAs with 36 countries against 4 for the EU.
That turns out to be false.
Of the 36 countries, there are agreed FTAs with 33. Only with Hong Kong, the GCC and Ukraine are there not FTAs. (And in the case of the Ukraine, there has been an agreement, although I;m not sure of the status.)
Markit released its monthly PMI for UK Construction this morning.
Continuing thre recovery of the sector, now in place for over six months the PMI for January was 64.6, up from 62.1 in December.
Given that the last three Construction PMIs have all been over 60 it does make one wonder how the ONS reached a conclusion that Construction Output fell by 0.3% in Q4 2013.
So on the most up to date figures we in fact have the complete opposite of a consumer led boom. David Smith or David Blanchflower, who to believe?
Well one was financial jouro of the year 2013 and the other predicted 4M unemployed for 2013.
I apologise for understating his poor forecasting skills.
Do I gather from your many references to the West country we have a clan of McWurzles ?
I think you missed the amusing revelations that the all powerful Al McFreedom website is actually written and broadcast from the heart of the "Great Satan" - Zomerzet
Markit released its monthly PMI for UK Construction this morning.
Continuing thre recovery of the sector, now in place for over six months the PMI for January was 64.6, up from 62.1 in December.
Given that the last three Construction PMIs have all been over 60 it does make one wonder how the ONS reached a conclusion that Construction Output fell by 0.3% in Q4 2013.
So on the most up to date figures we in fact have the complete opposite of a consumer led boom. David Smith or David Blanchflower, who to believe?
Well one was financial jouro of the year 2013 and the other predicted 4M unemployed for 2013.
I apologise for understating his poor forecasting skills.
Do I gather from your many references to the West country we have a clan of McWurzles ?
I think you missed the amusing revelations that the all powerful Al McFreedom website is actually written and broadcast from the heart of the "Great Satan" - Zomerzet
Just your typical automated email/letter that all who join the Conservatives receive..
I know theyre confident of Kippers returning to the fold, but this is a bit lary!
"Mujeeb I am just dropping you a brief e mail to say that I was delighted to learn that you have rejoined the Conservative Party. I hope to speak to you soon but unfortunately I am just getting over flu.
I assume this means that you have severed your connections with UKIP.
The board (the “Board”) of directors (the “Directors” and each a “Director”) of Birmingham International Holdings Limited (the “Company”, together with its subsidiaries, the “Group”) announces that Mr. Yeung Ka Sing, Carson (“Mr. Yeung”) has resigned from all directorships of the Group, including his position as an executive Director with effect from 4 February 2014.
Mr. Yeung resigned for the reason to devote more time to his other personal commitments. Following his resignation, Mr. Yeung holds no positions in the Group.
Mr. Yeung with his foresight, aspiration and clairvoyance has steered the Board successfully through landmark projects such as the acquisition of Birmingham City Football Club, for which the Board is profoundly indebted
The EFTA free trade area statistics are very interesting. ALthough IIRC, the EU has free trade agreements with many of them too - such as Albania, Bosnia, Tuekey, the Ukraine, etc. Presumably many of the agreements will be parallel ones to EU ones. I would be interested to see places where there are EFTA FTAs and no corresponding EU ones.
Re Canada and the EU, I read that "negotiations began in early 2007". Where is your late 2009 number from?
How does the EU deal with the re-export of goods imported into Norway from - say - Canada?
From the European Commission page I linked to :
"At the June 2007 EU-Canada Summit, leaders agreed to carry out a joint scoping study to lay the foundation for a future trade agreement. The conclusions of this study, which was presented at the October 2008 EU-Canada Summit, persuaded the leaders to agree to begin negotiations on a Comprehensive Economic and Trade Agreement. Negotiations began in October 2009 and have both an ambitious timescale, both sides aim to complete negotiations within two years, and an ambitious scope."
So, in fact, we're both right. A study began in 2007, but official negotiations only began in 2009.
Thank you very much.
Sorry Robert but that is not correct. Your specifically said:
"More importantly, the EFTA countries were only able to enter into that agreement because of the parallel negotiations for the EU-Canada Free Trade Deal which was agreed on 18 October 2013. Without this agreement (which is not yet law), the EFTA-Canada free trade deal would not have been possible."
This is definitely not the case. The EFTA trade agreement with Canada had already been signed before the EU even started negotiations.
As I said. Membership of EFTA seems to be far better for free trade than membership of the EU.
Yes, you are correct and I was wrong. My understanding was that they were parallel negotiations. That is not correct: there was an EU study during the period of the EFTA negotiations.
However, if you're going to nitpick, you also went on to claim that EFTA had FTAs with 36 countries against 4 for the EU.
That turns out to be false.
Of the 36 countries, there are agreed FTAs with 33. Only with Hong Kong, the GCC and Ukraine are there not FTAs. (And in the case of the Ukraine, there has been an agreement, although I;m not sure of the status.)
I will of course concede that although I will point out in my defence that I made the mistake of using the European Commissions own website instead of going to the font of all knowledge that is wikipedia. The EU Commission website still claims they only have free trade agreements with 4 countries.
I will of course concede that although I will point out in my defence that I made the mistake of using the European Commissions own website instead of going to the font of all knowledge that is wikipedia. The EU Commission website still claims they only have free trade agreements with 4 countries.
You can't expect the EU to know who it has trade deals with! What do you think they are, competent?
Markit released its monthly PMI for UK Construction this morning.
Continuing thre recovery of the sector, now in place for over six months the PMI for January was 64.6, up from 62.1 in December.
Given that the last three Construction PMIs have all been over 60 it does make one wonder how the ONS reached a conclusion that Construction Output fell by 0.3% in Q4 2013.
So on the most up to date figures we in fact have the complete opposite of a consumer led boom. David Smith or David Blanchflower, who to believe?
Well one was financial jouro of the year 2013 and the other predicted 4M unemployed for 2013.
I apologise for understating his poor forecasting skills.
Do I gather from your many references to the West country we have a clan of McWurzles ?
I think you missed the amusing revelations that the all powerful Al McFreedom website is actually written and broadcast from the heart of the "Great Satan" - Zomerzet
Carlotta, In that instance I was not being rude, merely confirming what Scott's posts indicate. It may come as a surprise to you but I really do think it will be YES, any other outcome would suggest the country has more insane than sane people.
So all people who don't agree on your viewpoint on independence are insane?
I believe that was the view that the CPSU took towards dissidents around the time Andropov was General Secretary. An unusual mentor for Team Salmond but there you go.
SO: you said this "the Tories seem to lack any degree of introspection".
Really? This is the party that self-flagellated itself over being seen as the "nasty party". It's not obvious to me that Labour have shown any degree of introspection over why some people find them unbearable, despite being - in my case at least - sympathetic to a sensible left of centre/social democratic alternative. For years they seemed to give the impression that if the people did not vote for them it was the people who were wrong not them. All losing parties seem to lose touch with reality in this way.
I don't know enough about Scotland to comment on their politics though I can quite see how Thatcher would not be at all to the Scots taste. It may well be that a right of centre party might flourish better in an independent Scotland if not tethered to what is seen as an English party.
Carlotta, In that instance I was not being rude, merely confirming what Scott's posts indicate. It may come as a surprise to you but I really do think it will be YES, any other outcome would suggest the country has more insane than sane people.
So all people who don't agree on your viewpoint on independence are insane?
Read what I said Rob, anyone who votes NO is insane, till they vote they could come to their senses apart from people like Carlotta and Scott who are definitely barking and have no hope.
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I think some of that Somerset flood water has got onto your brain.
"More importantly, the EFTA countries were only able to enter into that agreement because of the parallel negotiations for the EU-Canada Free Trade Deal which was agreed on 18 October 2013. Without this agreement (which is not yet law), the EFTA-Canada free trade deal would not have been possible."
This is definitely not the case. The EFTA trade agreement with Canada had already been signed before the EU even started negotiations.
As I said. Membership of EFTA seems to be far better for free trade than membership of the EU.
It may come as a surprise to you but I really do think it will be YES, any other outcome would suggest the country has more insane than sane people.
As per previous posts I would be most depressed if it was NO as I would rather see it independent and perhaps would not be around for the second vote when it finally happened.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2545901/Cybernats-unmasked-Meet-footsoldiers-pro-Scottish-independence-army-online-poison-shames-Nationalists.html
No lead:
ABC1: +23
C2DE: +16
The greatest number of "Don't knows" are SNP (15), cf Tories (3), and 22% of SNP will vote "no" - only 62% "yes" cf Tories 90% no....doesn't look like its Cameron who needs to persuade his followers....
However, if you're going to nitpick, you also went on to claim that EFTA had FTAs with 36 countries against 4 for the EU.
That turns out to be false.
Of the 36 countries, there are agreed FTAs with 33. Only with Hong Kong, the GCC and Ukraine are there not FTAs. (And in the case of the Ukraine, there has been an agreement, although I;m not sure of the status.)
http://www.oddschecker.com/football/english/fa-cup/fulham-v-sheffield-utd/winner
I know theyre confident of Kippers returning to the fold, but this is a bit lary!
"Mujeeb
I am just dropping you a brief e mail to say that I was delighted to learn that you have rejoined the Conservative Party. I hope to speak to you soon but unfortunately I am just getting over flu.
I assume this means that you have severed your connections with UKIP.
Best wishes
Robert Winfield"
The board (the “Board”) of directors (the “Directors” and each a “Director”) of Birmingham International Holdings Limited (the “Company”, together with its subsidiaries, the “Group”) announces that Mr. Yeung Ka Sing, Carson (“Mr. Yeung”) has resigned from all directorships of the Group, including his position as an executive Director with effect from 4 February 2014.
Mr. Yeung resigned for the reason to devote more time to his other personal commitments. Following his resignation, Mr. Yeung holds no positions in the Group.
Mr. Yeung with his foresight, aspiration and clairvoyance has steered the Board successfully through landmark projects such as the acquisition of Birmingham City Football Club, for which the Board is profoundly indebted
http://www.hkexnews.hk/listedco/listconews/sehk/2014/0204/LTN201402041808.pdf
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuart_Campbell_(games_journalist)
Really? This is the party that self-flagellated itself over being seen as the "nasty party". It's not obvious to me that Labour have shown any degree of introspection over why some people find them unbearable, despite being - in my case at least - sympathetic to a sensible left of centre/social democratic alternative. For years they seemed to give the impression that if the people did not vote for them it was the people who were wrong not them. All losing parties seem to lose touch with reality in this way.
I don't know enough about Scotland to comment on their politics though I can quite see how Thatcher would not be at all to the Scots taste. It may well be that a right of centre party might flourish better in an independent Scotland if not tethered to what is seen as an English party.