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  • I think it's now safe to say that Rennard/Hancock has had no effect on VI whatsoever.
    I said this at the time and was assured I was entirely wrong.
    But none of these so-called scandals make any difference. It was the same with Ashcroft for the Tories and Falkirk for Labour. Joe Public doesn't give a monkey's.
  • Well I'm reading the Sun Story on Mrs Bercow.

    Blimey, it his her, and well, according to the Sun during a booze-fuelled night out clubbing.

    Witnesses said sozzled Sally Bercow, 44, who was wearing a wig as she partied in London’s West End, could not keep her hands off the muscular clubber.

    She really has been a great boon to the gaiety of the nation, except for her disgusting behaviour towards poor Lord McAlpine, of course.
  • Well I'm reading the Sun Story on Mrs Bercow.

    Blimey, it his her, and well, according to the Sun during a booze-fuelled night out clubbing.

    Witnesses said sozzled Sally Bercow, 44, who was wearing a wig as she partied in London’s West End, could not keep her hands off the muscular clubber.

    Married women should perhaps kiss strangers more often. No woman can be entirely faithful to one person for her whole life without going slightly mad. It's just a question of degree.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,702

    Ukip is a threat to peace in Europe, says Germany

    Rise of UK Independence Party hampers cooperation that has kept the continent at peace, Germany’s foreign minister says

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ukip/10615869/Ukip-is-a-threat-to-peace-in-Europe-says-Germany.html

    Great logic though. "Hmm, Euroscepticism is on the rise for some reason, therefore the solution is not to consider why that is, and address it, but to push ahead even faster with what we have been doing, because since integration is always good (unless it harms German interests), more of the same must be the way to go. Frank-Walter Steinmeier, you're a genius!"
  • Married women should perhaps kiss strangers more often. No woman can be entirely faithful to one person for her whole life without going slightly mad. It's just a question of degree.
    You're not married are you?

    I can't even look at another woman without getting the glare.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,702

    I think it's now safe to say that Rennard/Hancock has had no effect on VI whatsoever.
    I said this at the time and was assured I was entirely wrong.
    But none of these so-called scandals make any difference. It was the same with Ashcroft for the Tories and Falkirk for Labour. Joe Public doesn't give a monkey's.

    Quite so. I suppose if you get enough of them and get tarred with a particular image it can damage how much support might be willing to consider you a little - in much the way that any policy or identity characteristic that a party gets labelled with impacts who is willing to consider them - but not to any great degree.
  • She really has been a great boon to the gaiety of the nation, except for her disgusting behaviour towards poor Lord McAlpine, of course.
    Part me of thinks, she did do Lord McAlpine a favour, and help him confirm he was not a paedophile

    Otherwise he would have gone to the grave with some very nasty smears.
  • You're not married are you?

    I can't even look at another woman without getting the glare.
    I am happily married yes. Just trying to provoke debate!
  • anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746
    edited February 2014

    I think it's now safe to say that Rennard/Hancock has had no effect on VI whatsoever.
    I said this at the time and was assured I was entirely wrong.
    But none of these so-called scandals make any difference. It was the same with Ashcroft for the Tories and Falkirk for Labour. Joe Public doesn't give a monkey's.

    It might still have an effect in Portsmouth South. There the story is the behaviour of the council, as well as the local MP.
  • Every time I ask Hugh to provide evidence for his claims he disappears for the night.

    Strange that.....
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    I'm sure our resident lefties will join me in condemning this step-back in the battle for sexual equality:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2550317/White-lesbian-couple-allowed-adopt-three-year-old-Muslim-girl-against-wishes-family.html

    Aren't the protesters to this adoption horrendous reactionary bigots?
  • Even the Germans are worried about UKIP!

    As for the actual subject matter, nothing is more a threat to peace than a German led EU forcing austerity on to the Greeks and stealing money from Cypriots.

    They really don't get it do they?
    The EU hasn't stolen any money from Cypriots.
  • Hugh said:

    Tories / Sun don't like Bercow because, well, they probably don't even know why.

    But they can't "get" him directly so they try to "get" him by association, sleazily smearing his wife. Who also, happily for the Tories / Sun, happens to be an opposition supporter!

    I'm sure I've seen this kind of thing play out before...

    Indeed its so vile of them. Everyone knows Sally Bercow is a model of deportment. She should be sent off touring the globe (for at least the next two decades) as an exemplar of what is best about British womanhood. I can just see her teaching disadvantaged African girls how to use Twitter with integrity and civility.
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530

    I think it's now safe to say that Rennard/Hancock has had no effect on VI whatsoever.
    I said this at the time and was assured I was entirely wrong.

    You're simply wrong about them having no effect. Having an effect on VI is a completely different thing and some of us also said at the time they wouldn't have an effect on that.

    The lib dems have been stuck on 10% since late 2010. Nothing affects that flatlining.Not Osborwne's omnishambles not the kipper rise which have been the two biggest shifts in polling since after the lib dems started flatlining.

    But none of these so-called scandals make any difference. It was the same with Ashcroft for the Tories and Falkirk for Labour. Joe Public doesn't give a monkey's.

    I could go through all the effects that prove you wrong but I did it before and you clearly weren't listening so why bother?
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    The Silence of Pope Francis

    There is a first time for everything, and last Thursday the Vatican was pushed to admit in public that it still does not force priests to report child sex crimes to authorities. Not only is this shameful, it is unacceptable. A UN panel held The Holy See accountable in a public interrogation regarding child abuse, and scrutinized the Vatican's disgraceful and contemptuous record on dealing with child sexual abuse and torture. Although most people focused on the UN commission's interrogation in Geneva that day, some spotted a curious observation in Rome. Time magazine's Person of the Year, Pope Francis, or Jorge Mario Bergoglio, announced that these "scandals are the shame of the Church," while a man whom accompanied him was Los Angeles Archbishop Emeritus, Cardinal Roger Mahony, a repugnant man who supervised more than 200 known pedophile priests with 500 known victims to whom he paid $720 million. It makes one think: What has this new Pope done about the sex abuse crisis?

    The day following, the Associated Press reported that 400 priests were defrocked in the years 2011 and 2012. According to AP, a document was specifically prepared from data the Vatican collected to defend itself before the UN committee. And what of these criminal defrocked individuals, you might ask? Well, we don't know. They remain free and at liberty to abuse again. Their identities are unknown, as are their whereabouts, and the nature of their crimes. Of them we know not much. Pope Francis has done nothing to help arm authorities with information they would need to apprehend these criminals.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/aaron-vallely/catholic-church-abuse_b_4654136.html
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    “History before the First World War was a history of not talking to each other, of nationalisms which could no longer be [tamed] by reason,” Mr Steinmeier said. “These dangers have to be forever banned.”

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ukip/10615869/Ukip-is-a-threat-to-peace-in-Europe-says-Germany.html

    Actually, the century before the first world war was a predominantly peaceful one in Western Europe, until Prussia/Germany started throwing its weight around. The problem wasn't a lack of communication, it was expansionist autocracy.

    However, I agree discussion and communication is a good thing. Notably, the europhilia that can not be tamed by reason should listen to the very intelligent and real critiques of their mad scheme to force disparate peoples into a union against their will.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    95% of Somali girls face female genital mutilation, often at just a few years older than this three year old. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2011/jun/17/women-somalia-hell-worst-world

    I suspect that fgm rates for white lesbians are zero. It seems a far safer place to be.
    Socrates said:

    I'm sure our resident lefties will join me in condemning this step-back in the battle for sexual equality:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2550317/White-lesbian-couple-allowed-adopt-three-year-old-Muslim-girl-against-wishes-family.html

    Aren't the protesters to this adoption horrendous reactionary bigots?

  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,587
    Ipsos MORI tweet, maybe mentioned earlier?

    New analysis out tomorrow - Tory supporters used to be much more likely to bother voting than Labour supporters - not any more.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    What do we do about outstanding bets we have with tim by the way?

    Will he be back to settle up / claim winnings?

    Hahahaha
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    isam said:

    What do we do about outstanding bets you have with tim SeanT by the way?

    Will he be back to settle up / claim winnings?

    Hahahaha

    Fixed that for you.

    LOL
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited February 2014
    Mick_Pork said:

    Fixed that for you.

    LOL
    Ooh please don't use the fixed It for you gag

    Don't get it, I haven't got any bets with SeanT
  • anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746

    Ipsos MORI tweet, maybe mentioned earlier?

    New analysis out tomorrow - Tory supporters used to be much more likely to bother voting than Labour supporters - not any more.

    So Labour voters are now enthusiastic?
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    isam said:

    Don't get it, I haven't got any bets with SeanT
    I'm sure you don't. Ask Seth O Logue.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Mick_Pork said:

    I'm sure you don't. Ask Seth O Logue.
    You might as well tell me... What's the coup?

    were tim and SeanT the same person?
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    isam said:

    You might as well tell me... What's the coup?

    were tim and SeanT the same person?
    Calm down dear. If you can't take it then don't bring it up in the first place.
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    @foxinsoxuk

    Can you imagine what certain posters on here would say if it was right-wing Christians pushing such protests about a Christian kid? Labour MPs would be rushing out to condemn them... but right now, silence...

    If people want to wonder why Muslims aren't integrating here, well there's your answer. We indulge them too much. No three year old has a religion: they're not old enough to understand the concept. Yet we've got to the crazy situation where a father's interests are not taken into consideration when settling child custody cases, but the community of a child that has been given up for adoption still gets precedence over the kid's well-being. This is the sort of perverted outcome that left-wing thinking gets you.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Mick_Pork said:

    Calm down dear. If you can't take it then don't bring it up in the first place.
    Why are you talking in riddles?!!

    Will tim be back to pay up / settle up or are the bets void?
  • john_zimsjohn_zims Posts: 3,399
    edited February 2014
    @Hugh

    'I'm sure I've seen this kind of thing play out before...'

    Brown & Balls pal McBride.
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    Which bets did tim welch on isam?
  • NinoinozNinoinoz Posts: 1,312

    The EU hasn't stolen any money from Cypriots.
    Really? What was that 'haircut' of depositors then?
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    Can you imagine the kind of deranged far right lunatics who blame everything on Muslims.

    Imagine no more.
    Western Journalism ‏@WestJournalism 16m

    Obama Family Discovered To Be Part Of Secret Muslim Terror Operation: http://www.westernjournalism.com/obama-family-discovered-part-secret-muslim-terror-operation/#eiZZ3GcQAROFoWlk.99
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Socrates said:

    Which bets did tim welch on isam?

    No he hasn't welched on any bets, just disappeared and we had bets on the next General election. I wondered what the procedure was.

    If anybody knows him outside of the site maybe they could ask him?

    Otherwise he has a free option, come back and claim winnings, or stay away if he loses
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited February 2014
    Interview with The Bridge stars Sofia Helin and Kim Bodnia on BBC Breakfast a few days ago:

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKkXLB09h3w

    Interesting comments about the British interviewers:

    "The worst interviewers I have ever seen. Disinterested woman, patronising man, virtually no prior knowledge of the interviewees and their programme. Astonishing BBC! I'm embarrassed on behalf of UK audiences."

    "Interviewers could not be more pedestrian! The Danes speak better English than those two hopeless herberts, oh dear."

    "Woman interviewer is brutal. Man is not much better.Could they not find anyone with an oi CE of charisma to interview Saga and Martin?"

    "Terrible interviewers handled with professionalism by two great actors. The Bridge continues to rock my world."

    "I agree. Charlie State and Susana Reid are shit. They should have had Bill Turnball and Louise Minchin interviewing.
    The Bridge is a fantastic drama. It's shameful that the U.S (the bridge US) and the U.K / France (the Tunnel) have ripped off the format. An amazing drama like Bron / Broen doesn't need to be adapted; it's fine how it is!"
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    I suspect the social workers who approved the white couple for adoption are fairly left wing. What we are seeing is the clash of cultures. Which triumphs, liberal feminism or religious and cultural sensitivity? .
    Socrates said:

    @foxinsoxuk

    Can you imagine what certain posters on here would say if it was right-wing Christians pushing such protests about a Christian kid? Labour MPs would be rushing out to condemn them... but right now, silence...

    If people want to wonder why Muslims aren't integrating here, well there's your answer. We indulge them too much. No three year old has a religion: they're not old enough to understand the concept. Yet we've got to the crazy situation where a father's interests are not taken into consideration when settling child custody cases, but the community of a child that has been given up for adoption still gets precedence over the kid's well-being. This is the sort of perverted outcome that left-wing thinking gets you.

  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    I suspect the social workers who approved the white couple for adoption are fairly left wing. What we are seeing is the clash of cultures. Which triumphs, liberal feminism or religious and cultural sensitivity? .

    Bit depressing that that particular argument is still going on after all these years.
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,320
    FPT. @Carnyx "What Malcolm is referring to is that the budget for childcare only works if the costs are partly recouped by increased taxes and reduced benefits paid to working parents. Now if that happens the Scottish Government pays all the costs but doesn't get a penny of those extra taxes/reduced benefits. And then it can't make the sums balance. And it can't borrow. So what can it do? No wonder childcare is being held up as an exemplar of the problems of the devolution settlement."

    In the last Parliament the SNP Government did have the ability to raise taxes in Scotland as voted for by the Scots people in the Devolution Referendum. But they made the unilateral decision to let those tax raising powers lapse, and even worse, they failed to inform either the Holyrood Parliament of the Scots people of this fact. It only came to our attention when the Scottish Office pointed this out. So this looks like a problem that the SNP Government created themselves, but now they want to try and blame someone else for their mistakes.

    Watching BBC QuestionTime from Dundee a few weeks ago, I did note that a member of the audience was still under the impression that Scottish Government still had those tax raising powers. I wonder how many other Scots voters still believe this to be the case due to the lack of transparency we continue to see from this SNP Government?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,554
    isam said:

    No he hasn't welched on any bets, just disappeared and we had bets on the next General election. I wondered what the procedure was.

    If anybody knows him outside of the site maybe they could ask him?

    Otherwise he has a free option, come back and claim winnings, or stay away if he loses
    Obviously any bets made through the sites are (ultimately unenforcable) debts of honour, but it would be a good idea for someone to get in contact with Tim so you know whether or not they can be voided or if they will be carried on with...
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,554

    I suspect the social workers who approved the white couple for adoption are fairly left wing. What we are seeing is the clash of cultures. Which triumphs, liberal feminism or religious and cultural sensitivity? .

    Its a cliche that the social workers trot out, but the interests of the child are the most important item here. On the Radio the lady said there were NO somali muslim families suitable for adoption.

    It would be best if the child could be placed in similiar cultural surroundings, though we do not know the specific circumstances of the relatives as to why they might be deemed unsuitable. The kid being palmed back to the birth parents for extended periods might be a potential concern ?
    Also the specific reasons as to why this child has been adopted aren't and maybe can't come out in public, so we are all looking in without full recourse to the facts here.
  • hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591
    My last update on here was to expect a top in the markets around 16th January at around S&P500 1757. The date arrived on cue, but the top was at 1750.84 so I didn't get that one quite right. But is this the final top, before the oncoming storm of credit deflation destruction that I've called erroneouly too early in the past. Have been here before so many times, that all I will say now is that I can't be sure yet. We'd need to take out the 1720-30 area first, and then finally 1646 to be absolutely sure. There is still a possibility of rising to fresh highs in mid to late March that I can't rule out for sure at this stage. Late 2007 was very instructive in that American markets topped out in October, long after the credit crunch reared its ugly head in July of that year. Certainly the meltdown in emerging markets and break of key trend line support today doesn't bode well. I'm still not fully happy however that some technical indicators I follow met the conditions for a major multi year top however in mid-January. I sent an email to Double Carpet over a year ago saying that I thought April 2014 would be a real moment of truth time for the markets. I see nothing to alter that prognosis now - one way or another, I think by May / June of this year we'll come to look at the economy very differently from how the concensus regarded things at the end of last year.

    Enough market talk, what does this mean for politics going forward. Well I still see October as really problematic like the Autumn of 2008. If April is a bloodbath on the markets, then I would expect this to play into the hands of UKIP / Labour at the Euro elections, with pressure on Cameron following what would be the Conservatives coming 3rd at a major national election for the first time in modern political history. I don't think it would be too difficult for the backbenchers to organise 46 signatories under those conditions. As for a disastrous Lib Dem performance, with Clegg's key USP of an improving economy translating into increased support being shot to pieces, then what price a Lib Dem leadership challenge? More Rennard / Hancock revelations and follow ups just to add in to the pot to boot? Can't see it looking good for them.

    As for the Scottish referendum in September, I still think it will be a lot closer than most think, and the yes camp getting over 40% I think is a key barrier which will keep the issue firmly at the top of the agenda of Scottish politics, rather than being kicked into the long grass with a 2/3rds, 1/3rd result like the 1975 referendum did for the question of EEC membership back then. I still think if the referendum was in November with the necessary but not sufficient condition of UK economic implosion to get a yes vote, then I think that Salmond could conceivably carry it off if all the cards fell right for him, but I still feel that September is a couple of months too early if I'm correct about a big October implosion.

    Good night all

  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,554

    95% of Somali girls face female genital mutilation, often at just a few years older than this three year old. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2011/jun/17/women-somalia-hell-worst-world

    I suspect that fgm rates for white lesbians are zero. It seems a far safer place to be.

    THAT is probably a big reason why they don't want relatives to adopt her.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Tories have sunk still further with Betfair, now 4.6:

    https://touch.betfair.com/#/market_1_101416490

    On the other hand, there must be a lot of people who would consider anything beyond 5 as value.
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    The cyber bullying of Jade Dernbach has to stop.

    @isam - tim is good for betting profits / losses, he always paid me up, drop him an emailso you have his details for settlement next year (i presume they are GE bets)
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    @ That's an unusually upbeat post from you, hunchman!
  • hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591
    kle4 said:

    Great logic though. "Hmm, Euroscepticism is on the rise for some reason, therefore the solution is not to consider why that is, and address it, but to push ahead even faster with what we have been doing, because since integration is always good (unless it harms German interests), more of the same must be the way to go. Frank-Walter Steinmeier, you're a genius!"
    I think we will get a lot more of this going forward. All Farage needs to do is point out the misdemeanours of the establishment party councillors whenever the media scrutinise those of UKIP councillors, and the mainstream media coverage of UKIP will be deemed unfair by the voters that matter to UKIP ie those expressins a likelihood to vote UKIP. The mainstream will get a rude shock about the level of anti-politics mood in the first week of May - I dislike some aspects of UKIP a great deal, but I'll lend them my vote in early May for the whole political establishment needs shaking from the roots to put it mildly. The Conservative party of sound money, espoused today by Douglas Carswell and Steve Baker has largely sunk without trace - I hope those 2 honourable members keep that flickering flame of Conservative thought alive, but I fear they're right up against it for the forseeable future.
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,320
    edited February 2014
    In what way is a poll showing the No camp with a nearly 20 point lead a good one for the Yes camp?

    Indy Ref Polling Alert

    Apologies if this poll has been mentioned before.

    But on the YouGov website there's a reference to a poll, another good one for yes.

    Fieldwork ended on the 27th of Jan

    Yes 33 (+2)

    No 52 (-3)

    Changes are from the last yougov at the start of December

    page 5 of this tracker

    http://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/js94dy0s85/YG-Archives-Pol-Trackers-Scotland-030214.pdf

  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    UKPR polling average updated, and I think the LD figure of 9% is the first time they've gone below 10%:

    Lab 39%
    Con 32%
    LD 9%

    http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,587
    edited February 2014
    Socrates said:

    @foxinsoxuk

    Can you imagine what certain posters on here would say if it was right-wing Christians pushing such protests about a Christian kid? Labour MPs would be rushing out to condemn them... but right now, silence...

    If people want to wonder why Muslims aren't integrating here, well there's your answer. We indulge them too much. No three year old has a religion: they're not old enough to understand the concept. Yet we've got to the crazy situation where a father's interests are not taken into consideration when settling child custody cases, but the community of a child that has been given up for adoption still gets precedence over the kid's well-being. This is the sort of perverted outcome that left-wing thinking gets you.

    But it's not the outcome, is it? You're presumably not arguing that the family can't express a view about the case going the other way?

    I want a model II Edward filter, which would allow one to exclude sensible, interesting posters, but only when they get onto hobby horses. Socrates+Muslims, Josiah+HS2 (though he's been jolly restained lately), Isam+Hugh, Hugh_Isam, me+canvassing anecdotes... :-)
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,587
    AndyJS said:

    Interview with The Bridge stars Sofia Helin and Kim Bodnia on BBC Breakfast a few days ago:

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKkXLB09h3w

    Interesting comments about the British interviewers...

    Seems a bit harsh. It's breakfast TV, not Mastermind. They weren't exactly incisive, but seemed harmless enough. I suspect that the commentators are like me, only wanting interviewers of Bridge people adopt a worshipful position.

  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,554
    AndyJS said:

    Tories have sunk still further with Betfair, now 4.6:

    https://touch.betfair.com/#/market_1_101416490

    On the other hand, there must be a lot of people who would consider anything beyond 5 as value.

    7.0 maybe...

    Might be tempted to lay off at 6.0, certainly not 5.0 - It is longer than a 4-1 shot.
  • Ninoinoz said:

    Really? What was that 'haircut' of depositors then?
    Three non-bonkers ways of seeing it:
    - Banks stole money from their customers.
    - The government of Cyprus stole money from depositors.
    - The depositors gambled their own money and lost.

    Various EU member states could have given the Cypriot banks and the Cypriot government a bailout big enough to cover all the money they owed depositors and declined to do so, but declining to give someone money you never promised or owed them in the first place is not theft.
  • redcliffe62redcliffe62 Posts: 342
    edited February 2014
    fitalass said:

    FPT. @Carnyx "What Malcolm is referring to is that the budget for childcare only works if the costs are partly recouped by increased taxes and reduced benefits paid to working parents. Now if that happens the Scottish Government pays all the costs but doesn't get a penny of those extra taxes/reduced benefits. And then it can't make the sums balance. And it can't borrow. So what can it do? No wonder childcare is being held up as an exemplar of the problems of the devolution settlement."

    In the last Parliament the SNP Government did have the ability to raise taxes in Scotland as voted for by the Scots people in the Devolution Referendum. But they made the unilateral decision to let those tax raising powers lapse, and even worse, they failed to inform either the Holyrood Parliament of the Scots people of this fact. It only came to our attention when the Scottish Office pointed this out. So this looks like a problem that the SNP Government created themselves, but now they want to try and blame someone else for their mistakes.

    Watching BBC QuestionTime from Dundee a few weeks ago, I did note that a member of the audience was still under the impression that Scottish Government still had those tax raising powers. I wonder how many other Scots voters still believe this to be the case due to the lack of transparency we continue to see from this SNP Government?

    If SNP raised taxes to cover budget cuts from Westminster you would have a field day. Not that stupid. Scotland can cut taxes after 19th Sept with support of everyone, even probably you.
    Simply stop paying for a share of CrossRail, HS2 and Trident and give it back in a tax cut? Sounds good to me.
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