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  • Indy Ref Polling Alert

    Apologies if this poll has been mentioned before.

    But on the YouGov website there's a reference to a poll, another good one for yes.

    Fieldwork ended on the 27th of Jan

    Yes 33 (+2)

    No 52 (-3)

    Changes are from the last yougov at the start of December

    page 5 of this tracker

    http://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/js94dy0s85/YG-Archives-Pol-Trackers-Scotland-030214.pdf
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    28 mr eagles,we all can agree ;-)
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,889
    US GOP Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell under threat in November

    Rasmussen Kentucky 2014 GOP Senate

    •Mitch McConnell (R) 42%
    •Alison Lundergan Grimes (D) 42%
    •Some other candidate 6%
    •Undecided 10%
  • MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699

    Indy Ref Polling Alert

    Apologies if this poll has been mentioned before.

    But on the YouGov website there's a reference to a poll, another good one for yes.

    Fieldwork ended on the 27th of Jan

    Yes 33 (+2)

    No 52 (-3)

    Changes are from the last yougov at the start of December

    page 5 of this tracker

    http://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/js94dy0s85/YG-Archives-Pol-Trackers-Scotland-030214.pdf

    How is it good for Yes when it says Yes is going to lose by over 20 points ?
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Latest 2015 ARSE General Election Projection Countdown :

    12 hours
  • Indy Ref Polling Alert

    Apologies if this poll has been mentioned before.

    But on the YouGov website there's a reference to a poll, another good one for yes.

    Fieldwork ended on the 27th of Jan

    Yes 33 (+2)

    No 52 (-3)

    Changes are from the last yougov at the start of December

    page 5 of this tracker

    http://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/js94dy0s85/YG-Archives-Pol-Trackers-Scotland-030214.pdf

    How is it good for Yes when it says Yes is going to lose by over 20 points ?
    The trend, look at the trend, is becoming very common.
  • 28 mr eagles,we all can agree ;-)

    Number 29 had me in stitches
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,889
    US GOP Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell under threat in November

    Rasmussen Kentucky 2014 GOP Senate

    •Mitch McConnell (R) 42%
    •Alison Lundergan Grimes (D) 42%
    •Some other candidate 6%
    •Undecided 10%
  • Hugh said:

    Indy Ref Polling Alert

    Apologies if this poll has been mentioned before.

    But on the YouGov website there's a reference to a poll, another good one for yes.

    Fieldwork ended on the 27th of Jan

    Yes 33 (+2)

    No 52 (-3)

    Changes are from the last yougov at the start of December

    page 5 of this tracker

    http://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/js94dy0s85/YG-Archives-Pol-Trackers-Scotland-030214.pdf

    How is it good for Yes when it says Yes is going to lose by over 20 points ?
    The trend, look at the trend, is becoming very common.
    That poll shows no change though.

    The no lead falling by 5 points is a change.
  • MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699

    Indy Ref Polling Alert

    Apologies if this poll has been mentioned before.

    But on the YouGov website there's a reference to a poll, another good one for yes.

    Fieldwork ended on the 27th of Jan

    Yes 33 (+2)

    No 52 (-3)

    Changes are from the last yougov at the start of December

    page 5 of this tracker

    http://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/js94dy0s85/YG-Archives-Pol-Trackers-Scotland-030214.pdf

    How is it good for Yes when it says Yes is going to lose by over 20 points ?
    The trend, look at the trend, is becoming very common.
    What trend the last Yougov Ind refer poll 09/12/2013 had identical figures .
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,046
    @David_Herdson FPT wrt WWI being a "21st century war".

    Philip Bobbitt would have it that it was the beginning of a "long war" that ended only with the end of the Cold War and the demise of the Soviet Union.

    It is a compelling and intuitively attractive interpretation of an epochal war that includes the WWI, Versailles of course, WWII as the continued clash of political ideals and finally the defeat of the last remaining competing political ideal to western liberalism, namely communism as practiced by the USSR.
  • MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699

    Hugh said:

    Indy Ref Polling Alert

    Apologies if this poll has been mentioned before.

    But on the YouGov website there's a reference to a poll, another good one for yes.

    Fieldwork ended on the 27th of Jan

    Yes 33 (+2)

    No 52 (-3)

    Changes are from the last yougov at the start of December

    page 5 of this tracker

    http://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/js94dy0s85/YG-Archives-Pol-Trackers-Scotland-030214.pdf

    How is it good for Yes when it says Yes is going to lose by over 20 points ?
    The trend, look at the trend, is becoming very common.
    That poll shows no change though.

    The no lead falling by 5 points is a change.
    Sorry TSE you are wrong .
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Apparently Man City have not failed to score at home for the last 61 matches ....

    Much like SeanT in Bangkok then ....
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530

    Indy Ref Polling Alert

    Apologies if this poll has been mentioned before.

    But on the YouGov website there's a reference to a poll, another good one for yes.

    Fieldwork ended on the 27th of Jan

    Yes 33 (+2)

    No 52 (-3)

    Changes are from the last yougov at the start of December

    page 5 of this tracker

    http://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/js94dy0s85/YG-Archives-Pol-Trackers-Scotland-030214.pdf

    How is it good for Yes when it says Yes is going to lose by over 20 points ?
    I know it's hard for one of Clegg's ostrich faction to grasp (with the lib dems flatlining on 10% since late 2010) but polling can move and it is quite clearly moving in the direction of Yes

    Meanwhile enjoy your non-Rennard shambles.
    Kate Taylor ‏@plymouthkate 3h

    Mike Hancock stands down from Portsmouth cabinet to "stop other councillors leaving" and to "keep the group together" http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-26014794

    Peter Henley ‏@BBCPeterH 1h

    National Lib Dems "frustrated" at deal on Mike Hancock resignation - he continues to go to group meetings & no candidate against him in May

    TheBlueGuerilla ‏@theblueguerilla 6m

    Hancock has been ordered to take all Lib Dem material from his website http://www.theblueguerilla.co.uk/2014/02/mike-hancock-mp-quits-council-cabinet.html
    :)
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,961
    edited February 2014

    Indy Ref Polling Alert

    Apologies if this poll has been mentioned before.

    But on the YouGov website there's a reference to a poll, another good one for yes.

    Fieldwork ended on the 27th of Jan

    Yes 33 (+2)

    No 52 (-3)

    Changes are from the last yougov at the start of December

    page 5 of this tracker

    http://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/js94dy0s85/YG-Archives-Pol-Trackers-Scotland-030214.pdf

    How is it good for Yes when it says Yes is going to lose by over 20 points ?
    The trend, look at the trend, is becoming very common.
    What trend the last Yougov Ind refer poll 09/12/2013 had identical figures .
    Across a few pollsters the no lead has been falling this year.

    Put it this way, in August the no lead was 30 points (although I accept this was in a poll with a pejorative wording in favour of no)
  • MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699

    Hugh said:

    Indy Ref Polling Alert

    Apologies if this poll has been mentioned before.

    But on the YouGov website there's a reference to a poll, another good one for yes.

    Fieldwork ended on the 27th of Jan

    Yes 33 (+2)

    No 52 (-3)

    Changes are from the last yougov at the start of December

    page 5 of this tracker

    http://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/js94dy0s85/YG-Archives-Pol-Trackers-Scotland-030214.pdf

    How is it good for Yes when it says Yes is going to lose by over 20 points ?
    The trend, look at the trend, is becoming very common.
    That poll shows no change though.

    The no lead falling by 5 points is a change.
    Sorry TSE you are wrong .
    and the poll before that last September had Yes 32 No 52 so 4 plus months and no change of any significance Yes is toast .
  • MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    edited February 2014

    Indy Ref Polling Alert

    Apologies if this poll has been mentioned before.

    But on the YouGov website there's a reference to a poll, another good one for yes.

    Fieldwork ended on the 27th of Jan

    Yes 33 (+2)

    No 52 (-3)

    Changes are from the last yougov at the start of December

    page 5 of this tracker

    http://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/js94dy0s85/YG-Archives-Pol-Trackers-Scotland-030214.pdf

    How is it good for Yes when it says Yes is going to lose by over 20 points ?
    The trend, look at the trend, is becoming very common.
    What trend the last Yougov Ind refer poll 09/12/2013 had identical figures .
    Across a few pollsters the no lead has been falling this year.

    Put it this way, in August the no lead was 30 points (although I accept this was in a poll with a pejorative wording in favour of no)
    Put it another way , in July and before then in May with another pollster the lead was below 10 points so the No lead has doubled .
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    edited February 2014

    Yes is toast .

    *tears of laughter etc*

    This from the cheerleader of a party that has enough MSPs to fit in a taxi.

    But don't take my word for it.

    Here's yet another anlayst downgrading Calamity Clegg's lib dems.
    How will the Lib Dems actually do?

    It is always troublesome to translate Liberal Democrat votes into seats. The party can have elections where it gains seats despite losing votes (as in 1997) and vice versa (as in 2010). But, even if the party struggles back up to 15-17 per cent, there is no way it will not result in a loss of seats. Local election results suggest that it will be near-impossible for the party to hold a number of metropolitan seats against Labour (Manchester Withington being the most drastic example).

    Scotland is also a huge problem. Although their polling support is down by the same 12 points or so there as in England, they were already at rock bottom in half of Scotland in 2010 (losing 12 points would give them negative votes in 30 Scottish seats). The drop must be concentrated in the seats where they polled reasonably well in 2010. They are in serious danger of losing up to 10 of their 11 Scottish seats.


    http://www.progressonline.org.uk/2014/01/31/how-will-the-lib-dems-actually-do/
    Three cheers for Calamity Clegg!

    LOL

  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    From link 1:

    "The yawning gap between rulers and ruled has created a profound problem for both mainstream parties in responding to Ukip – no political message they offer is likely to succeed without a credible messenger who can win over the hearts and minds of these disaffected, distrustful voters. These voters would give a fair hearing to politicians like Margaret Thatcher, the Grantham grocer's daughter; John Major, the self-made Brixton striver; Neil Kinnock, the son of the Welsh mining villages; and John Prescott, the merchant navy shop steward made good. These were leaders whose own lives furnished the language needed to make a connection – the struggles of hard-pressed voters were their struggles, too. But the sons of Hampstead intellectuals and London stockbrokers, who spent their lives at the centre of charmed circles, cannot hope for an easy audience from those who have not been so fortunate."
  • Arsenal are going to win the Premier League. Lump on.
  • David Herdson from last thread.

    In 1914, had Germany retained the "Ostaufmarsch" preferred by the elder Moltke (5/9th's in the east, 4/9ths in the west) it goes something like this

    No need to be on offensive - that was Schlieffen's obsession with a short war. Moltke the elder thought it would last 7-30 years
    In the west they have defensive line one third of the length of the one they defended quite well for over 3 years
    They focus on Russia, await the Russian attack and then give them a quick biffing in the Polish salient before handing over to the politicians to get a good deal
    Germany beat Russia with one hand behind their back anyway, so no problem
    If Russia attacked A-H, it was not for certain France would have come to her aid.

    For your piece I suggest Anika Mombauer's book on the younger Moltke and Trevor Wilson The Myriad Faces of War ("Clark's predecessor as best book..."

    1914 was year zero

    That's enough First World War - Ed (funny, my wife says that too)




  • @Saddened

    I'm not wrong as you claim - many, many pubs already open past 11pm. The old restrictions were binned years ago.

    The idea that "football fans won't be able to watch the game in the pub" is demonstrable rubbish. The Italy match is on a Saturday night - many, even most, pubs already open late on Saturdays.

    Yes there will be some pubs in villages that don't - so a blanket licence will work well for them. But that doesn't stop the story being based on an absurd false premise.

    The vast majority of people will be able to watch the game in the pub if they so choose without the PM doing anything - as many if not most pubs will be open as a matter of course. Referee!
  • On topic

    David Blanchflower in gloomy prediction shock......

  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,341

    David Herdson from last thread.

    In 1914, had Germany retained the "Ostaufmarsch" preferred by the elder Moltke (5/9th's in the east, 4/9ths in the west) it goes something like this

    No need to be on offensive - that was Schlieffen's obsession with a short war. Moltke the elder thought it would last 7-30 years
    In the west they have defensive line one third of the length of the one they defended quite well for over 3 years
    They focus on Russia, await the Russian attack and then give them a quick biffing in the Polish salient before handing over to the politicians to get a good deal
    Germany beat Russia with one hand behind their back anyway, so no problem
    If Russia attacked A-H, it was not for certain France would have come to her aid.

    For your piece I suggest Anika Mombauer's book on the younger Moltke and Trevor Wilson The Myriad Faces of War ("Clark's predecessor as best book..."

    1914 was year zero

    That's enough First World War - Ed (funny, my wife says that too)




    makes you wonder what the Germans could have done with computers to reprogram their mobilisation according to events ...

  • Mick_Pork said:

    Yes is toast .

    *tears of laughter etc*

    This from the cheerleader of a party that has enough MSPs to fit in a taxi.

    But don't take my word for it.

    Here's yet another anlayst downgrading Calamity Clegg's lib dems.
    How will the Lib Dems actually do?

    It is always troublesome to translate Liberal Democrat votes into seats. The party can have elections where it gains seats despite losing votes (as in 1997) and vice versa (as in 2010). But, even if the party struggles back up to 15-17 per cent, there is no way it will not result in a loss of seats. Local election results suggest that it will be near-impossible for the party to hold a number of metropolitan seats against Labour (Manchester Withington being the most drastic example).

    Scotland is also a huge problem. Although their polling support is down by the same 12 points or so there as in England, they were already at rock bottom in half of Scotland in 2010 (losing 12 points would give them negative votes in 30 Scottish seats). The drop must be concentrated in the seats where they polled reasonably well in 2010. They are in serious danger of losing up to 10 of their 11 Scottish seats.


    http://www.progressonline.org.uk/2014/01/31/how-will-the-lib-dems-actually-do/
    Three cheers for Calamity Clegg!

    LOL



    How many Scottish council by-elections is it since the SNP won one? About 20?

    Yes might win. There may have been a small movement that way over the last month - but they're a long way behind and it's not obvious what might shift minds between now and polling day given that the campaign's been going for ages and hasn't shifted much at all in that time.
  • Been watching the Great Benefit Debate on Channel 5. Not even slightly impartial.

    On the Pro-benefits side: Ken Livingstone, Annabell Giles and a Vicar
    On the Anti-benefits side: Katie Hopkins

    Yes the only person they could find to criticise the current system was the repulsive Hopkins.

    "Cameron's ancestors were slave traders"
    "What about the bankers?" are typical comments

    They have White Dee on:

    Katie Hopkins complained that White Dee swore in front of her kids
    Matthew Wright "but she's sick"
  • anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746
    Mick_Pork said:

    Yes is toast .

    *tears of laughter etc*

    This from the cheerleader of a party that has enough MSPs to fit in a taxi.

    But don't take my word for it.

    Here's yet another anlayst downgrading Calamity Clegg's lib dems.
    How will the Lib Dems actually do?

    It is always troublesome to translate Liberal Democrat votes into seats. The party can have elections where it gains seats despite losing votes (as in 1997) and vice versa (as in 2010). But, even if the party struggles back up to 15-17 per cent, there is no way it will not result in a loss of seats. Local election results suggest that it will be near-impossible for the party to hold a number of metropolitan seats against Labour (Manchester Withington being the most drastic example).

    Scotland is also a huge problem. Although their polling support is down by the same 12 points or so there as in England, they were already at rock bottom in half of Scotland in 2010 (losing 12 points would give them negative votes in 30 Scottish seats). The drop must be concentrated in the seats where they polled reasonably well in 2010. They are in serious danger of losing up to 10 of their 11 Scottish seats.


    http://www.progressonline.org.uk/2014/01/31/how-will-the-lib-dems-actually-do/
    Three cheers for Calamity Clegg!

    LOL

    The Times published a summary of council by-elections the other day:

    "Analysis by Colin Rallings and Michael Thrasher for The Sunday Times shows how strong UKIP has become. The professors at Plymouth University Elections Centre have recalibrated their celebrated analysis of more than 100,000 votes cast in council by-elections and now put UKIP in third place in their latest national forecast: Labour 34%, Tories 28%, UKIP 17%, Lib Dems 13%.

    Since last year's council elections, UKIP has taken 10 seats from the Conservatives and two each from Labour and the Lib Dems. In places where it stands, UKIP takes an average 22% of the vote compared with 15% for the Lib Dems.

    Traditionally the Lib Dem vote has comprised core supporters but also a strong protest vote against mainstream parties. That has gone. Rallings and Thrasher say there has been "a sea change" in UKIP's favour: "The Lib Dems, once the master tacticians of by-elections, are fading fast and are being replaced by UKIP.""

    http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/comment/columns/adamboulton/article1370209.ece
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    "Conservative MP Tim Yeo has suggested his support of gay marriage, tackling climate change and staying in the EU are to blame for his deselection, after members in his South Suffolk constituency narrowly voted to stop him running for parliament again in 2015."

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/feb/03/tim-yeo-moderate-tory-mp-deselected
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    edited February 2014



    How many Scottish council by-elections is it since the SNP won one?

    The SNP won the big test which was the local council elections in 2012 across scotland.
    They beat labour in popular vote and seats won. (425) A handful of very small isolated council by-elections is self-evidently not as telling as when a huge mass of them are up for grabs.
    Every single time the lib dems have large scale council elections they get hammered.

    Yes might win. There may have been a small movement that way over the last month - but they're a long way behind and it's not obvious what might shift minds between now and polling day given that the campaign's been going for ages and hasn't shifted much at all in that time

    I would hardly expect a PB tory to know why. I'm well aware of the dynamics of a large scale campaign in scotland and it needs boots on the ground, very enthusiastic campaigners and a huge effort put into GOTV. I have no doubt whatsoever which side of the campaign is far more prepared for that. The campaign hasn't even truly started yet anyway any more than it did eight months out from the scottish election or eight months out from the AV vote.

    Nobody in the Yes campaign thinks it's going to be easy but the more that tories and out of touch lib dems try to pile and 'help' No the better.

    You should be on your knees thanking Clegg for being so phenomenally stupid as to put the buffoon Carmichael where he is. He's on the scottish media almost every day and he's deflecting attention away from the scottish tories by being the face of No and more acutely the face of Cameron and Clegg's coalition. With entirely predictable results. Kippers beating lib dems in scottish EU elections polling and a by-election in scotland of all places.

  • MrJonesMrJones Posts: 3,523
    AndyJS said:

    From link 1:

    "The yawning gap between rulers and ruled has created a profound problem for both mainstream parties in responding to Ukip – no political message they offer is likely to succeed without a credible messenger who can win over the hearts and minds of these disaffected, distrustful voters. These voters would give a fair hearing to politicians like Margaret Thatcher, the Grantham grocer's daughter; John Major, the self-made Brixton striver; Neil Kinnock, the son of the Welsh mining villages; and John Prescott, the merchant navy shop steward made good. These were leaders whose own lives furnished the language needed to make a connection – the struggles of hard-pressed voters were their struggles, too. But the sons of Hampstead intellectuals and London stockbrokers, who spent their lives at the centre of charmed circles, cannot hope for an easy audience from those who have not been so fortunate."

    That would be why Farage is doing so badly.
  • anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746
    MrJones said:

    AndyJS said:

    From link 1:

    "The yawning gap between rulers and ruled has created a profound problem for both mainstream parties in responding to Ukip – no political message they offer is likely to succeed without a credible messenger who can win over the hearts and minds of these disaffected, distrustful voters. These voters would give a fair hearing to politicians like Margaret Thatcher, the Grantham grocer's daughter; John Major, the self-made Brixton striver; Neil Kinnock, the son of the Welsh mining villages; and John Prescott, the merchant navy shop steward made good. These were leaders whose own lives furnished the language needed to make a connection – the struggles of hard-pressed voters were their struggles, too. But the sons of Hampstead intellectuals and London stockbrokers, who spent their lives at the centre of charmed circles, cannot hope for an easy audience from those who have not been so fortunate."

    That would be why Farage is doing so badly.
    Farage is less popular than UKIP though.

    http://www.comres.co.uk/poll/1076/sunday-mirror-independent-on-sunday-political-poll.htm
  • Well that just rounds off another thoroughly miserable sporting weekend. Chelsea and City are light years ahead of Arsenal, but Arsenal are brilliant at putting teams away. The PL is theirs this season.
  • Sun Politics ‏@Sun_Politics 1m
    YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead by five, Lib Dems & UKIP tied for first time since start of Dec:
    CON 33%, LAB 38%, LD 11%, UKIP 11%
  • Arsenal are going to win the Premier League. Lump on.

    No they are not.

    Lay Arsenal.
  • corporealcorporeal Posts: 2,549
    I forget who was talking about BBC iplayer the other day, and not being able to download radio programmes.

    A fair number of the BBC's shows are released as download as podcasts rather than through iplayer.

    Not all, so a bit potluck, but a fair few.
  • perdixperdix Posts: 1,806
    Paragraph 15 - Blanchflower praying that the UK economy tanks. These lefties can't accept good news when Tories are in government.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,723
    Could this be the time to lay UKIP to win the Euros?

    Polling moving against UKIP + a sense of the media narrative becoming more hostile.
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    Bad day at Black Wall Street.

    Dow Jones falls over 326 points, over 2%.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,535
    AndyJS said:

    "Conservative MP Tim Yeo has suggested his support of gay marriage, tackling climate change and staying in the EU are to blame for his deselection, after members in his South Suffolk constituency narrowly voted to stop him running for parliament again in 2015."

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/feb/03/tim-yeo-moderate-tory-mp-deselected

    That would be good reason to deselect him, but the principal issue is his sleaze.
  • MikeL said:

    Could this be the time to lay UKIP to win the Euros?

    Polling moving against UKIP + a sense of the media narrative becoming more hostile.

    I'm torn, I can understand your view, but I suspect that differential turnout among Labour and UKIPers will see UKIP home in first place.

    Remember Euros don't excite Labour supporters.

    William Hague beat Blair in the 99 Euros.
  • 21: I do hope that DC left his daughter at home this time ;^)
  • Did my eyes deceive me on the news just now, or is former Labour minister Chris Smith head of the Environment Agency?
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited February 2014

    Arsenal are going to win the Premier League. Lump on.

    No they are not.

    Lay Arsenal.
    Haven't beaten anyone any good, and next 12 games inc Liverpool twice, Bayern Munich twice, Man Utd, Tottenham, Chelsea, Man City and Everton

    http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/arsenal-fixtures-per-mertesacker-tells-gunners-teammates-to-keep-their-chins-up-ahead-of-daunting-run-when-they-face-liverpool-twice-bayern-munich-and-manchester-united-9104309.html
  • john_zimsjohn_zims Posts: 3,399
    @JohnWheatley

    'David Blanchflower in gloomy prediction shock.'

    Has he ever got a prediction right?
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    edited February 2014
    MikeL said:

    Could this be the time to lay UKIP to win the Euros?

    Polling moving against UKIP + a sense of the media narrative becoming more hostile.

    Is it? As far as I know they finished January up from where they started on the all polls average trend. Not by very much though and it was last Feb where their polling really began to head sharply upwards for the May locals. So if they don't have a reasonably big swing up by the end of Feb then you might have a point.

    As for the media, so what? Press is less important than TV and both are still overestimated in importance. Particularly for a protest party. There was no shortage of hit pieces against the kippers before the May locals and their effect was negligable if not downright counterproductive given the voters the kippers are targeting.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,514

    Did my eyes deceive me on the news just now, or is former Labour minister Chris Smith head of the Environment Agency?

    He is. Labour has nobody in quangos doncha know ?
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,535
    john_zims said:

    @JohnWheatley

    'David Blanchflower in gloomy prediction shock.'

    Has he ever got a prediction right?

    No. He's like Comical Ali.
  • NinoinozNinoinoz Posts: 1,312

    Did my eyes deceive me on the news just now, or is former Labour minister Chris Smith head of the Environment Agency?

    You are indeed correct.

    So, take your pick:

    Labour appointee at quango

    or

    Homosexual causes flooding.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/10613627/Difficult-choices-as-the-flood-waters-rise.html
  • john_zimsjohn_zims Posts: 3,399
    @Hugh

    'just too excitable and partisan and made themselves look daft hyperventilating at small/no real poll movements?'

    You have exclusivity on those points,simply in a league of your own.
  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371

    Sun Politics ‏@Sun_Politics 1m
    YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead by five, Lib Dems & UKIP tied for first time since start of Dec:
    CON 33%, LAB 38%, LD 11%, UKIP 11%

    http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Observer/Pix/pictures/2010/1/8/1262962773146/goal-hanging-squirrel-001.jpg

    Me, Basil and the goalposts, never to be parted before the next election.
  • Just watching News at !0, security screens at Sochi. Too late. Activists will have been in place for the past few years as deep cover. FSB is not KGB or GRU. Technology has advanced and the terrorists have now a chance of a big publicity scoop.
  • Hugh said:

    john_zims said:

    @JohnWheatley

    'David Blanchflower in gloomy prediction shock.'

    Has he ever got a prediction right?

    More than George Osborne has.
    Really? Pray do explain with examples
  • Tom Newton Dunn ‏@tnewtondunn 2m

    Our p1 may turn a few heads in SW1 tomorrow. And not just because of important polling on what the English think of Scots independence.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,578
    I've sometimes wondered what has driven me to vote Lib Dem several times. A desire for liberalism, present in the name at least? A disdain for the power of the 'big two'? Living in the Tory Shires and yet at odds with social conservatism, but with the wariness towards Labour that infects much of the Tory heartlands? Inability to climb off the fence?

    Nope, it's just a part of being a sci-fi fan apparently.
  • john_zimsjohn_zims Posts: 3,399
    @nigeleengland

    'Really? Pray do explain with examples'

    Unemployment forecasts is one of his specialist subjects I believe.
  • MrJonesMrJones Posts: 3,523

    MrJones said:

    AndyJS said:

    From link 1:

    "The yawning gap between rulers and ruled has created a profound problem for both mainstream parties in responding to Ukip – no political message they offer is likely to succeed without a credible messenger who can win over the hearts and minds of these disaffected, distrustful voters. These voters would give a fair hearing to politicians like Margaret Thatcher, the Grantham grocer's daughter; John Major, the self-made Brixton striver; Neil Kinnock, the son of the Welsh mining villages; and John Prescott, the merchant navy shop steward made good. These were leaders whose own lives furnished the language needed to make a connection – the struggles of hard-pressed voters were their struggles, too. But the sons of Hampstead intellectuals and London stockbrokers, who spent their lives at the centre of charmed circles, cannot hope for an easy audience from those who have not been so fortunate."

    That would be why Farage is doing so badly.
    Farage is less popular than UKIP though.

    http://www.comres.co.uk/poll/1076/sunday-mirror-independent-on-sunday-political-poll.htm
    Fair enough. Still undermines their main point imo - as does Boris Johnson.

  • Sun Politics ‏@Sun_Politics 1m
    YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead by five, Lib Dems & UKIP tied for first time since start of Dec:
    CON 33%, LAB 38%, LD 11%, UKIP 11%

    http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Observer/Pix/pictures/2010/1/8/1262962773146/goal-hanging-squirrel-001.jpg

    Me, Basil and the goalposts, never to be parted before the next election.
    That's one hell of a prediction by you.
  • Sun Politics ‏@Sun_Politics 1m
    YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead by five, Lib Dems & UKIP tied for first time since start of Dec:
    CON 33%, LAB 38%, LD 11%, UKIP 11%

    http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Observer/Pix/pictures/2010/1/8/1262962773146/goal-hanging-squirrel-001.jpg

    Me, Basil and the goalposts, never to be parted before the next election.
    I dare say even our Conservative colleagues will chuckle at that - great wildlife photography
  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371

    Sun Politics ‏@Sun_Politics 1m
    YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead by five, Lib Dems & UKIP tied for first time since start of Dec:
    CON 33%, LAB 38%, LD 11%, UKIP 11%

    http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Observer/Pix/pictures/2010/1/8/1262962773146/goal-hanging-squirrel-001.jpg

    Me, Basil and the goalposts, never to be parted before the next election.
    That's one hell of a prediction by you.
    This is the place for hellish polling predictions.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    How many times do we have to remind people not to get excited over one or two polls? Look at the monthly trends.

    This time last week lab were down 4 ukip were up 4 and @hugh was calling everyone racist

    Passive aggressively

    But now the panics over
  • CarolaCarola Posts: 1,805
    Sun fp *innocent face*
  • Front page of the Sun is interesting, politics, looks like the yougov polling I found earlier is for the Sun

    Nick Sutton ‏@suttonnick 2m

    Tuesday's Sun front page - "Out of Order! Order! "#tomorrowspaperstoday #bbcpapers

    pic.twitter.com/JfF13kKD9O
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    LOL

    Big John, biiiig John, Big Bad John. (Bercow)
  • MrJonesMrJones Posts: 3,523
    #2 "Imagine if anyone else in public life said that a document they had put their name to"

    Didn't Lab go to court to legally prove their manifesto was drivel?
  • Hugh said:

    Sun Politics ‏@Sun_Politics 1m
    YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead by five, Lib Dems & UKIP tied for first time since start of Dec:
    CON 33%, LAB 38%, LD 11%, UKIP 11%

    http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Observer/Pix/pictures/2010/1/8/1262962773146/goal-hanging-squirrel-001.jpg

    Me, Basil and the goalposts, never to be parted before the next election.
    Tsk. PB Tories haven't talked about polls for ages, keep up! Well, at least since the poll blips subsided early last week.

    It's all immigrants, the BBC, bringing back the birch, and it will be until the next little blip / Tory uptick. Then it'll be polls again.

    Bless 'em.
    Some examples please as requested below, also still waiting for evidence of the stuff you posted last week
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,578
    edited February 2014

    Tom Newton Dunn ‏@tnewtondunn 2m

    Our p1 may turn a few heads in SW1 tomorrow. And not just because of important polling on what the English think of Scots independence.

    Isn't it taken as given that the English by and large support Scottish independence, whatever the reason? To turn my head it would have to show that the English are against it.

    As for UKIP hating Ed M as well as Cameron, well, does it matter? I know no.2 is trying to argue it should matter even if the rise of UKIP helps get Ed M to Downing Street, because of longterm impact on politics in general and the left in particular, but I cannot believe any of our political parties would think that far ahead - UKIP hits the Tories hardest first, that is all that matters. The ultimate goal is to secure victory in the shortterm, and hopefully you can figure out a workaround to a problem once you get in. Gaining power is the important thing, not how you do it or whether you have a plan to deal with problems you know are coming along is how they will all see it.

    I imagine referring to UKIP as 'the most poweful movement of organised stupidity in recent british history; won't help either way.

  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    The Mail appears to have the secret Falkirk report. The should please scottish labour considering they didn't even get a sniff of it.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited February 2014
    Hugh said:

    isam said:



    This time last week lab were down 4 ukip were up 4 and @hugh was calling everyone racist

    Excuuuse me?

    Should I make up some complete lies about what you said last week, Sam?
    Passive aggressive interrogations over Mike Smithsons use of "white working class"

    You were panicking
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    edited February 2014
    The NFL dodged a bullet last night - there were fears that the weather would be a factor in the outcome in the first outdoor Superbowl cold weather game.

    Luckily it didn't. The snow storm didn't hit the city until about 5am, less than 12 hours after kickoff, meaning that spectators, players, media folks, and anyone else with flights out of the NYC airports was stuck until mid-day or so.

    Kansas City, Denver, Philadelphia and Washington have all indicated they want to bid on a future Superbowl. KC and Philly are probably doubtful.

    I hope this is insanity, but the more bidders, the higher the bid. The NFL insists on 40,000 hotel rooms being available 'in the area', two medium or one large conference facility, and two practice facilities. Also the stadium must hold at least 80,000. The 40,000 rooms and 80,000 seats are recent increases. Stadiums already having held Superbowls are mainly grandfathered in. Goodell is repeatedly on record saying he wants a Superbowl at Wembley.

    Which brings us to Atlanta, which, if it had been hosting the game yesterday would have been pandemonium with the weather event of last week.

    Governor Nathan Deal has announced a Severe Weather Advisory Committee. As well as the usual suspects - school administrators, emergency responders etc - he has appointed the 4 local network TV weather forecasters.

    Yes, you guessed it - he's up for re-election this November.
  • SMukeshSMukesh Posts: 1,759
    Doesn`t look like a snog.
  • CarolaCarola Posts: 1,805
    'there are four more photos on pages 4 and 5 too - under the headline "Must tongue Sally".' suttonnick
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited February 2014
    Selection news — Stephen Richardson will contest Truro & Falmouth in 2015 for Mebyon Kernow:

    http://illoganblogger.blogspot.co.uk/2014/01/ppc-nomination.html

    The party's 2010 candidate, Loic Rich, is standing as an independent.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Hugh said:

    isam said:



    This time last week lab were down 4 ukip were up 4 and @hugh was calling everyone racist

    Excuuuse me?

    Should I make up some complete lies about what you said last week, Sam?
    Complete lies?

    "I'm interested why UKIP supporters like to refer to the "White" working class so much though.

    Perhaps Phillip below is right, and it's just shorthand. After all, even the Mighty Smithson used it. But I'd like to know what it's shorthand for."
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,578
    Hugh said:

    The Sun's take on Scottish Independence is interesting.

    On the basis of the one tried and tested unbreakable Golden Rule of politics that whatever the Sun wants is always, always against the public interest, I might be swinging towards favouring Yes.

    I think they have the momentum, the greater drive from supporters and the more compelling case, and people will be feeling more secure economically as well in the coming months, so I would agree, though quite apart from it being a Sun poll with the surprise that apparently for once people do want Scotland to remain in the UK (as a union supporter, a shame that seems so rare, but there you go), I am sure that whatever the result had been it would have been a good thing for the Yes cause apparently.
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    Carola said:

    'there are four more photos on pages 4 and 5 too - under the headline "Must tongue Sally".' suttonnick

    I bet they don't look like snogging too.

  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited February 2014
    Hugh said:

    isam said:

    Hugh said:

    isam said:



    This time last week lab were down 4 ukip were up 4 and @hugh was calling everyone racist

    Excuuuse me?

    Should I make up some complete lies about what you said last week, Sam?
    Complete lies?

    "I'm interested why UKIP supporters like to refer to the "White" working class so much though.

    Perhaps Phillip below is right, and it's just shorthand. After all, even the Mighty Smithson used it. But I'd like to know what it's shorthand for."
    You think I am accusing Mike Smithson of racism?!

    If you want to re-visit the discussion you refused to engage with last week then fine, let's do it, but don't lie about it. Why so touchy?
    Never nice to be accused of being racist, and you keep accusing me even though I've never said anything racist on here

    I did engage, you asked what was the difference between white working class and non white working class, and I said the white ones were white and the non whites weren't.



  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Hugh said:

    isam said:

    Hugh said:

    isam said:



    This time last week lab were down 4 ukip were up 4 and @hugh was calling everyone racist

    Excuuuse me?

    Should I make up some complete lies about what you said last week, Sam?
    Passive aggressive interrogations over Mike Smithsons use of "white working class"

    You were panicking
    Ah I see. So you are lying, but were just a bit touchy at the time about the questions I raised for some reason and it still nags at you. Fair enough.

    I seem to remember pointing out, as I have on every poll I've commented on since, that nothing's really changing in the polls. What panic.
    No reason for me to lie, you were asking every ukipper on here to define white working class to try and lure them into comments you could say were racist. An old trick.

    And it happened to be the day lab were down four and ukip were up four in the polls, and an article saying ukip were the party of the working class was published
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821
    edited February 2014
    Hugh said:

    ...the one tried and tested unbreakable Golden Rule of politics that whatever the Sun wants is always, always against the public interest

    Certainly that Golden Rule applied for all those years until they finally saw the light on 30th September 2009.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8281859.stm

    Of course as a Labour supporter you'll have erased out of the collective consciousness all memories of the Murdoch support for Labour during all those years.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Hugh said:

    isam said:

    Hugh said:

    isam said:

    Hugh said:

    isam said:



    This time last week lab were down 4 ukip were up 4 and @hugh was calling everyone racist

    Excuuuse me?

    Should I make up some complete lies about what you said last week, Sam?
    Passive aggressive interrogations over Mike Smithsons use of "white working class"

    You were panicking
    Ah I see. So you are lying, but were just a bit touchy at the time about the questions I raised for some reason and it still nags at you. Fair enough.

    I seem to remember pointing out, as I have on every poll I've commented on since, that nothing's really changing in the polls. What panic.
    No reason for me to lie, you were asking every ukipper on here to define white working class to try and lure them into comments you could say were racist. An old trick.

    And it happened to be the day lab were down four and ukip were up four in the polls, and an article saying ukip were the party of the working class was published
    LOL

    Been lured into the supposed "trap" once or twice have you, or does it only exist in your head?

    What crap. If you want to discuss it, I will do again at some point. Quit playing the pathetic race / victim card though.
    Passive aggression and leftyness... It's the diabolical offspring of tim and Plato!

    I'm sure the subject will return the next time labour are shown to lose support from their old base to ukip
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited February 2014
    Howard Allen selected for the Greens in Solihull:

    twitter.com/CllrHowardAllen/status/424875521919696896/photo/1
  • There's a saying in Pakistan, never trust anyone called Bhutto.

    A man who served as UKIP's Commonwealth spokesman for a year is the former leader of a kidnapping gang in Pakistan, BBC Newsnight can reveal.

    Mujeeb ur Rehman Bhutto's gang were behind a high-profile kidnapping in Karachi in 2004 and he then took a £56,000 ransom payment in Manchester.

    In 2005, Bhutto, of Leeds, admitted being the gang's "boss" and was jailed for seven years by a UK court.

    UKIP said Bhutto, 35, had "recently" resigned his party membership.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-26019668
  • anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746
    Mick_Pork said:

    The Mail appears to have the secret Falkirk report. The should please scottish labour considering they didn't even get a sniff of it.

    The Guardian have it.

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/interactive/2014/feb/03/falkirk-membership-inquiry-report-labour
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    There's a saying in Pakistan, never trust anyone called Bhutto.

    A man who served as UKIP's Commonwealth spokesman for a year is the former leader of a kidnapping gang in Pakistan, BBC Newsnight can reveal.

    Mujeeb ur Rehman Bhutto's gang were behind a high-profile kidnapping in Karachi in 2004 and he then took a £56,000 ransom payment in Manchester.

    In 2005, Bhutto, of Leeds, admitted being the gang's "boss" and was jailed for seven years by a UK court.

    UKIP said Bhutto, 35, had "recently" resigned his party membership.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-26019668

    Send him back where he came from!

    "Bhutto said he had now rejoined the Conservative Party, but the Tories said they had no record of that."
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Hugh said:

    isam said:

    Hugh said:

    isam said:

    Hugh said:

    isam said:

    Hugh said:

    isam said:



    This time last week lab were down 4 ukip were up 4 and @hugh was calling everyone racist

    Excuuuse me?

    Should I make up some complete lies about what you said last week, Sam?
    Passive aggressive interrogations over Mike Smithsons use of "white working class"

    You were panicking
    Ah I see. So you are lying, but were just a bit touchy at the time about the questions I raised for some reason and it still nags at you. Fair enough.

    I seem to remember pointing out, as I have on every poll I've commented on since, that nothing's really changing in the polls. What panic.
    No reason for me to lie, you were asking every ukipper on here to define white working class to try and lure them into comments you could say were racist. An old trick.

    And it happened to be the day lab were down four and ukip were up four in the polls, and an article saying ukip were the party of the working class was published
    LOL

    Been lured into the supposed "trap" once or twice have you, or does it only exist in your head?

    What crap. If you want to discuss it, I will do again at some point. Quit playing the pathetic race / victim card though.
    Passive aggression and leftyness... It's the diabolical offspring of tim and Plato!

    I'm sure the subject will return the next time labour are shown to lose support from their old base to ukip
    Well given that I said at the time that the polling showed no real change, your strawman couldn't even stand up before you flailed blindly at it.

    Given that the clueless UKIP seem to form their impressions of the working class from incoherent cabbies on radio phone ins at midnight, I doubt they'll ever understand or get close to the levels of support that Labour or even the Tories enjoy amongst that demographic.
    Maybe, maybe not. Time will tell
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,566
    isam said:


    In 2005, Bhutto, of Leeds, admitted being the gang's "boss" and was jailed for seven years by a UK court.

    UKIP said Bhutto, 35, had "recently" resigned his party membership.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-26019668

    Send him back where he came from!

    "Bhutto said he had now rejoined the Conservative Party, but the Tories said they had no record of that."
    The solution to the Tory dilemma - votes for prisoners!

  • isam said:

    There's a saying in Pakistan, never trust anyone called Bhutto.

    A man who served as UKIP's Commonwealth spokesman for a year is the former leader of a kidnapping gang in Pakistan, BBC Newsnight can reveal.

    Mujeeb ur Rehman Bhutto's gang were behind a high-profile kidnapping in Karachi in 2004 and he then took a £56,000 ransom payment in Manchester.

    In 2005, Bhutto, of Leeds, admitted being the gang's "boss" and was jailed for seven years by a UK court.

    UKIP said Bhutto, 35, had "recently" resigned his party membership.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-26019668

    Send him back where he came from!

    "Bhutto said he had now rejoined the Conservative Party, but the Tories said they had no record of that."
    Given my experiences of the Tory Party's records on membership, the Tory party are the last people to know who their members are
  • Mick_Pork said:

    The Mail appears to have the secret Falkirk report. The should please scottish labour considering they didn't even get a sniff of it.

    The Guardian have it.

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/interactive/2014/feb/03/falkirk-membership-inquiry-report-labour
    The weirdest thing about it is that, at least on a quick scan, it's not at all obvious why Labour kept it so secret. The seems to be some disobliging stuff about Karie Murphy, though; maybe that's why.
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530

    Hugh said:

    ...the one tried and tested unbreakable Golden Rule of politics that whatever the Sun wants is always, always against the public interest

    Certainly that Golden Rule applied for all those years until they finally saw the light on 30th September 2009.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8281859.stm

    Of course as a Labour supporter you'll have erased out of the collective consciousness all memories of the Murdoch support for Labour during all those years.
    ROFL
  • Hugh said:

    isam said:

    Hugh said:

    isam said:

    Hugh said:

    isam said:

    Hugh said:

    isam said:



    This time last week lab were down 4 ukip were up 4 and @hugh was calling everyone racist

    Excuuuse me?

    Should I make up some complete lies about what you said last week, Sam?
    Passive aggressive interrogations over Mike Smithsons use of "white working class"

    You were panicking
    Ah I see. So you are lying, but were just a bit touchy at the time about the questions I raised for some reason and it still nags at you. Fair enough.

    I seem to remember pointing out, as I have on every poll I've commented on since, that nothing's really changing in the polls. What panic.
    No reason for me to lie, you were asking every ukipper on here to define white working class to try and lure them into comments you could say were racist. An old trick.

    And it happened to be the day lab were down four and ukip were up four in the polls, and an article saying ukip were the party of the working class was published
    LOL

    Been lured into the supposed "trap" once or twice have you, or does it only exist in your head?

    What crap. If you want to discuss it, I will do again at some point. Quit playing the pathetic race / victim card though.
    Passive aggression and leftyness... It's the diabolical offspring of tim and Plato!

    I'm sure the subject will return the next time labour are shown to lose support from their old base to ukip
    Well given that I said at the time that the polling showed no real change, your strawman couldn't even stand up before you flailed blindly at it.

    Given that the clueless UKIP seem to form their impressions of the working class from incoherent cabbies on radio phone ins at midnight, I doubt they'll ever understand or get close to the levels of support that Labour or even the Tories enjoy amongst that demographic.
    Ah yes, thanks for reminding me.

    Where is the evidence for the four times and three times that stuff you posted last week? Or are you just another lefty bullshitter?
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Hugh said:

    isam said:

    Hugh said:

    isam said:

    Hugh said:

    isam said:

    Hugh said:

    isam said:

    Hugh said:

    isam said:



    This time last week lab were down 4 ukip were up 4 and @hugh was calling everyone racist

    Excuuuse me?

    Should I make up some complete lies about what you said last week, Sam?
    Passive aggressive interrogations over Mike Smithsons use of "white working class"

    You were panicking
    Ah I see. So you are lying, but were just a bit touchy at the time about the questions I raised for some reason and it still nags at you. Fair enough.

    I seem to remember pointing out, as I have on every poll I've commented on since, that nothing's really changing in the polls. What panic.
    No reason for me to lie, you were asking every ukipper on here to define white working class to try and lure them into comments you could say were racist. An old trick.

    And it happened to be the day lab were down four and ukip were up four in the polls, and an article saying ukip were the party of the working class was published
    LOL

    Been lured into the supposed "trap" once or twice have you, or does it only exist in your head?

    What crap. If you want to discuss it, I will do again at some point. Quit playing the pathetic race / victim card though.
    Passive aggression and leftyness... It's the diabolical offspring of tim and Plato!

    I'm sure the subject will return the next time labour are shown to lose support from their old base to ukip
    Well given that I said at the time that the polling showed no real change, your strawman couldn't even stand up before you flailed blindly at it.

    Given that the clueless UKIP seem to form their impressions of the working class from incoherent cabbies on radio phone ins at midnight, I doubt they'll ever understand or get close to the levels of support that Labour or even the Tories enjoy amongst that demographic.
    Maybe, maybe not. Time will tell
    Good news though Wolfie, UKIP are currently outpolling the Greens by about 2:1 amongst working class voters. Party of the People, on the march.

    Labour insulting working class ex labour voters... That worked well for the Tories.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    isam said:

    There's a saying in Pakistan, never trust anyone called Bhutto.

    A man who served as UKIP's Commonwealth spokesman for a year is the former leader of a kidnapping gang in Pakistan, BBC Newsnight can reveal.

    Mujeeb ur Rehman Bhutto's gang were behind a high-profile kidnapping in Karachi in 2004 and he then took a £56,000 ransom payment in Manchester.

    In 2005, Bhutto, of Leeds, admitted being the gang's "boss" and was jailed for seven years by a UK court.

    UKIP said Bhutto, 35, had "recently" resigned his party membership.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-26019668

    Send him back where he came from!

    "Bhutto said he had now rejoined the Conservative Party, but the Tories said they had no record of that."
    Given my experiences of the Tory Party's records on membership, the Tory party are the last people to know who their members are
    They recently sent me a new membership card and a letter saying 'welcome to the Conservatives' despite the fact I cancelled my direct debit a couple of years ago...
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    @isam @Hugh

    Get a room guys, for the love of God
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    The Falkirk report was supposedly under lock and key with the only access to it granted by little Ed to his most trusted minions and a scant few ministers.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-NGlOB4hJA
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Charles said:

    @isam @Hugh

    Get a room guys, for the love of God

    Only if I can bring my cat

  • Ukip is a threat to peace in Europe, says Germany

    Rise of UK Independence Party hampers cooperation that has kept the continent at peace, Germany’s foreign minister says

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ukip/10615869/Ukip-is-a-threat-to-peace-in-Europe-says-Germany.html
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    edited February 2014

    Mick_Pork said:

    The Mail appears to have the secret Falkirk report. The should please scottish labour considering they didn't even get a sniff of it.

    The Guardian have it.

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/interactive/2014/feb/03/falkirk-membership-inquiry-report-labour
    It's not that surprising but the detail is pretty damn hard to ignore. Nor was it all one sided as was pointed out at the time. Gregor Poynton is in there.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    Ukip is a threat to peace in Europe, says Germany

    Rise of UK Independence Party hampers cooperation that has kept the continent at peace, Germany’s foreign minister says

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ukip/10615869/Ukip-is-a-threat-to-peace-in-Europe-says-Germany.html

    And in saying so shows his complete lack of understanding of British politics. His intervention can only lead to an increase in UKIP support.
  • Ukip is a threat to peace in Europe, says Germany

    Rise of UK Independence Party hampers cooperation that has kept the continent at peace, Germany’s foreign minister says

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ukip/10615869/Ukip-is-a-threat-to-peace-in-Europe-says-Germany.html

    Even the Germans are worried about UKIP!

    As for the actual subject matter, nothing is more a threat to peace than a German led EU forcing austerity on to the Greeks and stealing money from Cypriots.

    They really don't get it do they?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,578
    edited February 2014

    Ukip is a threat to peace in Europe, says Germany

    Rise of UK Independence Party hampers cooperation that has kept the continent at peace, Germany’s foreign minister says

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ukip/10615869/Ukip-is-a-threat-to-peace-in-Europe-says-Germany.html

    Sounds like a classic case of blaming the symptom not the disease.

    Honestly I don't know what gets into such peoples' head sometimes. I'm generally supportive of the idea of the EU, even if I think it does not work very well in its current form and pisses about with interfering in minute or national matters which are not necessary to keep a harmonious union, but the presence of the EU did not invent the idea of peace and cooperation between European nations.

    The nations wanted to cooperate more because it was in everyone's interests to do so, and that desire helped lead to the EU's beginnings. Now many do not want to cooperate further than they already do (or want to less than they do now), and forcing closer integration on them will not stop such feelings from arising, in fact it will only increase it. Integration in of itself does not create peace out of the aether if the rest of the conditions necessary are absent.

    This is one reason why I feel, against my own instincts, we probably should leave the EU - a large proportion of the UK either don't want it at all, or they do not want it in the way it currently exists (and attempts to change it from that form are treated with universal contempt by those heavily pro or against the union), and it will not be to our benefit to amble along in a union we hate, and it won't be in the EU's interest to have a bitter, angry UK constantly getting in the way of their plans (I know we have allies for some of our aims, but the institution itself has not been shy about mocking and deriding any British proposal of true reform, which shows yet another reason why reforming it is pointless or impossible). It would be a cancer on the whole union, ignoring the concerns from citizens who do not want something, because the architects insist that they know better about what is good for them than they do. Even if they are right, unless people agree it will not help to force them.

    If it turns out to be a mistake and we did come crawling back, the EU would be within its rights to exact a heavy price, but forcing integration on nations which don't want it will only intensify the bitterness at the heart of the European project, and undermine its stated mission and goals more than UKIP or other similar parties ever could.
  • Well I'm reading the Sun Story on Mrs Bercow.

    Blimey, it his her, and well, according to the Sun during a booze-fuelled night out clubbing.

    Witnesses said sozzled Sally Bercow, 44, who was wearing a wig as she partied in London’s West End, could not keep her hands off the muscular clubber.
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