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  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,195
    GIN1138 said:

    How can PB "do" Brexit for the 1,473,299,267,867 time on such a lovely afternoon? :D

    Take back (self-)control :lol:
  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,914
    FF43 said:

    It's not an irony, it's a "fuck you"

    Subtle difference
    This may surprise you but I didn’t actually bring in this new visa. The Spanish government did and offered it to all non EU nationals. I fail to see how this is me personally insulting PB
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,244
    Leon said:

    It’s gonna be fucking hilarious when we can sit in Malaga and laugh at the Remoaner expats who got EU residency and are paying 40% tax while us Leavers are also living in Spain and paying 15%

    Apart from the large majority of those who voted for Brexit not being able to qualify for it, it sounds quite an attractive scheme.

    The net effect for the rest of the UK will of course be negative, but I don't think you should let such a consideration bother you.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,914
    Once everyone else catches up with me and realises what I just realised then loads of countries will start leaving the EU, just so they can go back and live in the EU like before, but in a sunnier bit and paying tiny amounts of tax
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 33,915
    Sad news from a couple of days ago.

    "Ryuichi Sakamoto: Japanese electronic music maestro dies"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-65155073
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,195

    It's sad

    and Trumps heading to the court in an hour or so

    yet Brexit beats all
    7pm our time, Alan, so I make it about 1 hour and 45 minutes left to do Brexit :)
  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,914
    Nigelb said:

    Apart from the large majority of those who voted for Brexit not being able to qualify for it, it sounds quite an attractive scheme.

    The net effect for the rest of the UK will of course be negative, but I don't think you should let such a consideration bother you.
    Gracias. I already feel “half Spanish”. It’s weird
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,585

    The car industry is struggling in other countries too. Food prices rises are mainly down to Ukraine (basic goods like flour and energy). Has there been rationing of seats for travel? Really?

    The issue we have is covid and Ukraine has dwarfed other effects. For the man in the street its easy to assume its all down to brexit, especially as a lot of Remainers keep banging that drum.

    In reality some things have been contributed to by Brexit.
    Eurostar only 2/3 full to accommodate for passport checks according to Simon Calder. Ferry companies told to reduce ticket sales to reduce passenger numbers to reduce passport check delays over the summer.

    You won, we left, we have sucked it up and we are not going back. But please don't bullshit us by saying Brexit is great, all the bad stuff is courtesy of other circumstances and is definitely, categorically not because of Brexit.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,195
    Leon said:

    Gracias. I already feel “half Spanish”. It’s weird
    Well, Leon is a Spanish name after all!
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,031

    It's sad

    and Trumps heading to the court in an hour or so

    yet Brexit beats all
    Nah - not when those Trump mugshots appear. It's all that you will see for days. Maybe weeks.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,116

    It's sad

    and Trumps heading to the court in an hour or so

    yet Brexit beats all
    Brexit has caused more pain to more people than every other bad government policy probably in most of our lifetimes. It's no surprise that those who voted for it now want to forget about their ruinous decision (or in the case of a few pretend it was nothing to do with their vote)
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 4,336
    FF43 said:

    It's not an irony, it's a "fuck you"

    Subtle difference
    That's the leaver's raison d'etre surely?...
  • TazTaz Posts: 16,919
    Scotland possibly looking good for labour, relatively speaking.

    https://twitter.com/electionmapsuk/status/1643284330809049088?s=61&t=s0ae0IFncdLS1Dc7J0P_TQ
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,756

    7pm our time, Alan, so I make it about 1 hour and 45 minutes left to do Brexit :)
    Yes but thats 1 hour 45 minutes we can laugh at the yanks.

  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,208
    edited April 2023
    Crossover incoming?

    SNP leads Labour by 5 points in Scotland. In 2019, Labour came third.

    Scotland Westminster VI (31 March - 1 April):

    SNP 36% (-3)
    Labour 31% (+2)
    Conservative 19% (-3)
    Lib Dem 10% (+4)
    Green 2% (–)
    Reform 2% (–)
    Other 1% (–)

    Changes +/- 2-5 March

    https://twitter.com/RedfieldWilton/status/1643283634827214849
  • Leon said:

    Observation. There are now so many electric vehicles in central London, old school engines are becoming highly conspicuous by their noise

    I just saw a queue at some traffic lights which was entirely quiet. All electric. Then some petrol driven lorry rocked up and the noise was startling

    Considering the filth that pollutes the air in central London that's a Good Thing
  • NEW: Humza Yousaf's first approval rating in Scotland is -7%.

    Humza Yousaf Approval Rating in Scotland (31 March-1 April):

    Disapprove: 30%
    Approve: 23%
    Net: -7%

    https://twitter.com/RedfieldWilton/status/1643286105435807746
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,304
    edited April 2023

    That's a lesser of two evils argument. Here's a quote from Cameron's final big speech before the referendum. It's hardly an inspiring rallying cry in favour of integration:

    "I know Europe isn’t perfect. Believe me, I understand and I see those frustrations.

    "I feel them myself.

    "That’s why we negotiated and enhanced our special status.

    "Out of the Euro.

    "Keeping our borders.

    "Not involved in ever-closer union."
    Nonsense. It's a 'best of both worlds' argument. The pros without the cons. You know as well as I do there were big negative net votes to be had in arguing the merits of European political and monetary union to the great British public. So, you know, don't. It'd be idiotic (also misleading because this vision was not the plan) therefore take a pass on that. Instead put the pragmatic true and POSITIVE case of better off in than out. Utter tosh this notion of the Remain campaign not being boosterish enough. I sense it's Leaver gaslighting (and where it isn't it's genuine stupidity) so let's see if I have the discipline to make this my last post on the matter for at least a week.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,914

    Eurostar only 2/3 full to accommodate for passport checks according to Simon Calder. Ferry companies told to reduce ticket sales to reduce passenger numbers to reduce passport check delays over the summer.

    You won, we left, we have sucked it up and we are not going back. But please don't bullshit us by saying Brexit is great, all the bad stuff is courtesy of other circumstances and is definitely, categorically not because of Brexit.
    What bad stuff? Thanks to our brilliant Brexit from the EU you can now go and live in the EU and pay barely any tax. And if you get bored of Spain you can go to Greece, Croatia or Portugal, which are offering similar visas
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 23,935
    Leon said:

    If we’d known about this eventual upside to Brexit - after Brexit you can will be able to move freely to the EU, BUT PAY MUCH LESS TAX then Leave would have won 70/30

    If we had known that certain leavers would be leaving too, then sure that could have swayed it to 70/30.
  • SNP leads by 10% in constituency VI for a Scottish parliamentary election.

    Holyrood Constituency VI (31 March-1 April):

    SNP 38% (-2)
    Labour 28% (-1)
    Conservative 18% (-2)
    Lib Dem 10% (+3)
    Green 3% (+1)
    Reform 2% (–)
    Other 2% (+1)

    Changes +/- 2-5 March

    SNP leads Labour by 6% in regional VI for a Scottish parliamentary election.

    Holyrood Regional List VI (31 March-1 April):

    SNP 30% (+1)
    Labour 24% (-2)
    Conservatives 19% (-1)
    Lib Dems 13% (+2)
    Green Party 11% (+1)
    Reform UK 2% (+1)
    Other 2% (-1)


    https://twitter.com/RedfieldWilton/status/1643285052862742530
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,776
    Leon said:

    This may surprise you but I didn’t actually bring in this new visa. The Spanish government did and offered it to all non EU nationals. I fail to see how this is me personally insulting PB
    Well. Actually I do accept the ability for a small number of people to move to Spain for a tax break is a Brexit benefit.

    There has to be at least something in its favour.
  • DriverDriver Posts: 5,559
    edited April 2023

    Crossover incoming?

    SNP leads Labour by 5 points in Scotland. In 2019, Labour came third.

    Scotland Westminster VI (31 March - 1 April):

    SNP 36% (-3)
    Labour 31% (+2)
    Conservative 19% (-3)
    Lib Dem 10% (+4)
    Green 2% (–)
    Reform 2% (–)
    Other 1% (–)

    Changes +/- 2-5 March

    https://twitter.com/RedfieldWilton/status/1643283634827214849

    Taz said:

    Scotland possibly looking good for labour, relatively speaking.

    https://twitter.com/electionmapsuk/status/1643284330809049088?s=61&t=s0ae0IFncdLS1Dc7J0P_TQ

    My Seat Model:

    LAB: 25 (+24)
    SNP: 22 (-26)
    CON: 7 (+1)
    LDM: 5 (+1)

    Changes w/ GE2019.


    CON +1 is a brave prediction.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,756
    kinabalu said:

    Nonsense. It's a 'best of both worlds' argument. The pros without the cons. You know as well as I do there were big negative net votes to be had in arguing the merits of European political and monetary union to the great British public. So, you know, don't. It'd be idiotic - and also not the plan - so take a pass on that. Instead put the pragmatic true and POSITIVE case of better off in than out. Which was done. Utter tosh this stuff about the Remain campaign not being boosterish enough. In fact I sense it's Leaver gaslighting - and where it isn't it's genuine stupidity - so let's see if I have the discipline to make this my last post on the matter for at least a week.
    unlikely

    you havent mentioned the bus.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,195

    Crossover incoming?

    SNP leads Labour by 5 points in Scotland. In 2019, Labour came third.

    Scotland Westminster VI (31 March - 1 April):

    SNP 36% (-3)
    Labour 31% (+2)
    Conservative 19% (-3)
    Lib Dem 10% (+4)
    Green 2% (–)
    Reform 2% (–)
    Other 1% (–)

    Changes +/- 2-5 March

    https://twitter.com/RedfieldWilton/status/1643283634827214849

    Sleazy, broken SNP on the slide :)
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 33,915
    Andy_JS said:

    Sad news from a couple of days ago.

    "Ryuichi Sakamoto: Japanese electronic music maestro dies"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-65155073

    One of the most famous tunes he composed, Behind The Mask.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02IvYUAJbtY
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 58,838
    ping said:

    It might be somewhat simplistic - and puts me in the same camp as the zerohedge nutters, but I’ve come to the view relative real interest rate expectations are the main factor that accounts for currency movements.

    I think you’re giving Sunak too much credit.

    Well done on your bet, but don’t give up your day job to trade forex!
    My spread bets on financial markets are very rare - maybe once every 18 months - but my success rate is very high.
  • No' leads by 6 points.

    Scotland Independence Referendum Voting Intention (31 March - 1 April):
    No, against Independence: 50% (-1)
    Yes, for Independence: 44% (+2)
    Don't Know: 6% (-2)
    Changes +/- 2-5 March


    https://twitter.com/RedfieldWilton/status/1643282283783233540
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022

    Nah - not when those Trump mugshots appear. It's all that you will see for days. Maybe weeks.
    Apparently the judge has said no mugshot, no handcuffs, no ‘perp walk, no cameras in the court.

    They know that Trump would sell a million T-shirts with his mugshot on the front, it would be the most famous mugshot since Hugh Grant.
  • DriverDriver Posts: 5,559
    kinabalu said:

    Nonsense. It's a 'best of both worlds' argument. The pros without the cons. You know as well as I do there were big negative net votes to be had in arguing the merits of European political and monetary union to the great British public. So, you know, don't. It'd be idiotic - and also misleading because this vision was not the plan - so take a pass on that. Instead put the pragmatic true and POSITIVE case of better off in than out. Which was done. Utter tosh this stuff about the Remain campaign not being boosterish enough. In fact I sense it's Leaver gaslighting - and where it isn't it's genuine stupidity - so let's see if I have the discipline to make this my last post on the matter for at least a week.
    If you're going to post such nonsense as the bits in bold, best that it is.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 18,060

    Crossover incoming?

    SNP leads Labour by 5 points in Scotland. In 2019, Labour came third.

    Scotland Westminster VI (31 March - 1 April):

    SNP 36% (-3)
    Labour 31% (+2)
    Conservative 19% (-3)
    Lib Dem 10% (+4)
    Green 2% (–)
    Reform 2% (–)
    Other 1% (–)

    Changes +/- 2-5 March

    https://twitter.com/RedfieldWilton/status/1643283634827214849

    It's likely noise, but I thought that the SNP saying FU to Forbes was going to drive right-thinking right-wing Scots into the welcoming embrace of the Conservative and Unionist Party?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,585

    SNP leads by 10% in constituency VI for a Scottish parliamentary election.

    Holyrood Constituency VI (31 March-1 April):

    SNP 38% (-2)
    Labour 28% (-1)
    Conservative 18% (-2)
    Lib Dem 10% (+3)
    Green 3% (+1)
    Reform 2% (–)
    Other 2% (+1)

    Changes +/- 2-5 March

    SNP leads Labour by 6% in regional VI for a Scottish parliamentary election.

    Holyrood Regional List VI (31 March-1 April):

    SNP 30% (+1)
    Labour 24% (-2)
    Conservatives 19% (-1)
    Lib Dems 13% (+2)
    Green Party 11% (+1)
    Reform UK 2% (+1)
    Other 2% (-1)


    https://twitter.com/RedfieldWilton/status/1643285052862742530

    Is this poll inclusive of Humza's "honeymoon bounce"?
  • GIN1138 said:

    How can PB "do" Brexit for the 1,473,299,267,867 time on such a lovely afternoon? :D

    Please, please, please, can we do the trans issue again?
  • Is this poll inclusive of Humza's "honeymoon bounce"?
    Yes.
  • Asking for a friend, is it still SNP policy to use the next Westminster general election as a de facto independence referendum?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,914

    No' leads by 6 points.

    Scotland Independence Referendum Voting Intention (31 March - 1 April):
    No, against Independence: 50% (-1)
    Yes, for Independence: 44% (+2)
    Don't Know: 6% (-2)
    Changes +/- 2-5 March


    https://twitter.com/RedfieldWilton/status/1643282283783233540

    Once Scots realise they can now all go and live in the EU and pay 15% tax because we are out of the EU I imagine staying out of the EU and in the UK will gain in attraction
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 18,060

    SNP leads by 10% in constituency VI for a Scottish parliamentary election.

    Holyrood Constituency VI (31 March-1 April):

    SNP 38% (-2)
    Labour 28% (-1)
    Conservative 18% (-2)
    Lib Dem 10% (+3)
    Green 3% (+1)
    Reform 2% (–)
    Other 2% (+1)

    Changes +/- 2-5 March

    SNP leads Labour by 6% in regional VI for a Scottish parliamentary election.

    Holyrood Regional List VI (31 March-1 April):

    SNP 30% (+1)
    Labour 24% (-2)
    Conservatives 19% (-1)
    Lib Dems 13% (+2)
    Green Party 11% (+1)
    Reform UK 2% (+1)
    Other 2% (-1)


    https://twitter.com/RedfieldWilton/status/1643285052862742530

    Remind me... How does Scotland work? Is it that the regional vote is the one that basically determines the number of seats each party has? (i.e. each party gets the Constituency seats it wins, then the regions top up to get the right numbers by the regional vote shares?)

    If it's not that, it's something else really unobvious.
  • Penddu2Penddu2 Posts: 730

    I'm told there's a concept of 'maintenance sex', where the woman consents to sex to help maintain the relationship.

    So you could try 'Can I schedule some maintenance for Saturday night?'.
    Planned Preventative Maintenance...
  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,914

    Asking for a friend, is it still SNP policy to use the next Westminster general election as a de facto independence referendum?

    Lol
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,585
    Leon said:

    What bad stuff? Thanks to our brilliant Brexit from the EU you can now go and live in the EU and pay barely any tax. And if you get bored of Spain you can go to Greece, Croatia or Portugal, which are offering similar visas
    It would be helpful if you could repost your citation for this revelation as I have been unable to locate it. Thanks in advance.
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,686
    Driver said:

    If you're going to post such nonsense as the bits in bold, best that it is.
    Whilst you and I probably share some centre-right views on politics, I think it is a bit rich for anyone who still believes in the fairytale of Brexit to be dancing on the pinhead about how well or badly either side positioned their bullshit in 2016. It iss a bit silly seeing as anyone but a cretin can see that Brexit has been an absolute pointless waste of time that has not benefitted one single British person. Equally many of us have to accept that Brexit (pointless though it was) has happened and we have to move on.

    That said I will still laugh at anyone who still believes in it though. Sorry!
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,285

    Sleazy, broken SNP on the slide :)
    We can all say we were there at Peak SNP. What a time to be alive.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 16,261
    Carnyx said:

    Oh, really? Thanks, didn't know that. Wasn't taught at my school ...
    No me neither. Some other pedant pointed it out on the Internet quite recently.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,639
    Roger said:

    Brexit has caused more pain to more people than every other bad government policy probably in most of our lifetimes. It's no surprise that those who voted for it now want to forget about their ruinous decision (or in the case of a few pretend it was nothing to do with their vote)
    Roger said:

    Brexit has caused more pain to more people than every other bad government policy probably in most of our lifetimes. It's no surprise that those who voted for it now want to forget about their ruinous decision (or in the case of a few pretend it was nothing to do with their vote)
    Your regular reminder that most of us who voted for Brexit are happy to have done so and still feel we are better off out.
    Only, when we stop giving regular reminders, we are told that those who voted for it 'have gone very quiet' or get told to 'own it' or 'take the win'.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 13,669
    edited April 2023

    Asking for a friend, is it still SNP policy to use the next Westminster general election as a de facto independence referendum?

    As the concept is without meaning in law, fact, or even politics the question does not arise. It is in the same category as legislating to stop climate change, or earthquakes, or to declare men to be women or women to be men by mere words...hang on a minute...I think I may have entered a parallel universe and I can't find the door
  • DriverDriver Posts: 5,559

    Remind me... How does Scotland work? Is it that the regional vote is the one that basically determines the number of seats each party has? (i.e. each party gets the Constituency seats it wins, then the regions top up to get the right numbers by the regional vote shares?)

    If it's not that, it's something else really unobvious.
    Pretty much, although with SNP constituency dominance in recent elections the regional members haven't been enough to bring it to proportion on the "second vote" (a term I really hate).
  • Leon said:

    Once everyone else catches up with me and realises what I just realised then loads of countries will start leaving the EU, just so they can go back and live in the EU like before, but in a sunnier bit and paying tiny amounts of tax

    Leon, you do know you can go to Portugal and pay 0%, right ? Just Google "NHR Portugal "
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,585

    Please, please, please, can we do the trans issue again?
    We do that every day throughout the day.

    Carlotta's diligence in posting trans related material is commendable.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,195

    No me neither. Some other pedant pointed it out on the Internet quite recently.
    Sounds like bullshit to me. Then again, I only have GCSE Maths :)
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 16,261

    Sounds like bullshit to me. Then again, I only have GCSE Maths :)
    No it is right according to Wikipedia.

    "In Venn diagrams, the curves are overlapped in every possible way, showing all possible relations between the sets. They are thus a special case of Euler diagrams, which do not necessarily show all relations."
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,304
    Pagan2 said:

    An assertion that x benefits us is totally insufficient you actually have to give concrete examples of how it benefits

    In relation to the EU yes it had benefits but those benefits were very unequally spread. If you were a manager wanting to employ min wage workers, a middle class home owner wanting a cheap au pair or plumber then sure you got benefits.

    For half the country though they couldn't afford a plumber even at the cheaper prices but they did get increased pressure on housing and local services and more competition for low end jobs. I guess they got the benefit of not spending so long in a queue on their once a year trip to spain.
    Yes the 'us' there doesn't mean every single citizen. But on the whole, on a 'greatest good for the greatest number' type of metric, EU membership was an economic and cultural plus for the UK. This is pretty much accepted, I think. There are some intelligent, well informed people who argue otherwise but not very many.
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,686
    Leon said:

    What bad stuff? Thanks to our brilliant Brexit from the EU you can now go and live in the EU and pay barely any tax. And if you get bored of Spain you can go to Greece, Croatia or Portugal, which are offering similar visas
    Don't be silly @Leon . You are wacky, but not stupid. The fact that you are desperately trying to find a benefit of Brexit that you quote this tiny marginal benefit to an astonishingly small number of people (if it is much of a benefit when fully evaluated) shows what a pile of horse shit Brexit is. It is like a once prosperous person wading whose house has been wrecked by a hurricane picking through the rubble and saying it wasn't that bad because he had just found a ten dollar bill that had blown over the garden fence.

    Brexit was pointless. Dumb, stupid. You know it, but you cannot bring yourself to admit that as an intelligent person you were well and truly gulled. We have got over that we lost. You should get over that you were stupid.
  • I have terrible toothache.

    I'm having a tooth extracted tomorrow.

    The pain is so bad I'd eat a pizza with pineapple on it if it got rid of the pain.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 5,393
    dixiedean said:

    So much so that we are suffering the biggest real term wage cuts in living memory.
    As are other similar countries:

    https://www.thelocal.de/20230207/real-wages-fell-at-record-speed-in-germany-last-year
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,116

    I have terrible toothache.

    I'm having a tooth extracted tomorrow.

    The pain is so bad I'd eat a pizza with pineapple on it if it got rid of the pain.

    Oil of cloves works!
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,089

    I have terrible toothache.

    I'm having a tooth extracted tomorrow.

    The pain is so bad I'd eat a pizza with pineapple on it if it got rid of the pain.

    listen to some Radiohead
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 18,060

    Don't be silly @Leon . You are wacky, but not stupid. The fact that you are desperately trying to find a benefit of Brexit that you quote this tiny marginal benefit to an astonishingly small number of people (if it is much of a benefit when fully evaluated) shows what a pile of horse shit Brexit is. It is like a once prosperous person wading whose house has been wrecked by a hurricane picking through the rubble and saying it wasn't that bad because he had just found a ten dollar bill that had blown over the garden fence.

    Brexit was pointless. Dumb, stupid. You know it, but you cannot bring yourself to admit that as an intelligent person you were well and truly gulled. We have got over that we lost. You should get over that you were stupid.
    Trouble is that it takes incredible courage and integrity to admit that one has been conned, or got something sincerely wrong. It's part of the average heist story mechanism and why bad ideas in physics die out one professorial funeral at a time.

    The surprise is that the "this was a mistake" sensation has set in as much as it has.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,914

    Trouble is that it takes incredible courage and integrity to admit that one has been conned, or got something sincerely wrong. It's part of the average heist story mechanism and why bad ideas in physics die out one professorial funeral at a time.

    The surprise is that the "this was a mistake" sensation has set in as much as it has.
    I’m gonna be paying 15% tax in Spain rather than 40-45% BECAUSE OF BREXIT


    OMG what a terrible mistake
  • DriverDriver Posts: 5,559

    Trouble is that it takes incredible courage and integrity to admit that one has been conned, or got something sincerely wrong. It's part of the average heist story mechanism and why bad ideas in physics die out one professorial funeral at a time.

    The surprise is that the "this was a mistake" sensation has set in as much as it has.
    Not really, with Covid and Ukraine nobody could argue the last three years have been good. Many people struggle with correlation and causation, so if we'd voted to remain you can bet your bottom euro that there would have been majority regret for that as well.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,756

    I have terrible toothache.

    I'm having a tooth extracted tomorrow.

    The pain is so bad I'd eat a pizza with pineapple on it if it got rid of the pain.

    Try a pizza with an egg on it
  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,914

    Leon, you do know you can go to Portugal and pay 0%, right ? Just Google "NHR Portugal "
    That’s only open to EEA nationals and Golden Visa people. I don’t want to buy a property in Portugal to get a Golden Visa (which they have now massively restricted anyway)
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,153
    The Remain campaign was poor, but the number one main reason we left is 30 years of Rupert Murdoch and Paul Dacre telling us how shit the EEC/EC/EU/2nd Coming of Nazi Germany (delete as appropriate) was, with some Austerity thrown in.
  • Scott_xP said:

    listen to some Radiohead
    I did earlier.

    Creep is still one of the finest songs in history.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,639

    Try a pizza with an egg on it
    Or an approaching-excessive amount of whisky.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    Scott_xP said:

    listen to some Radiohead
    He’s trying to get rid of the pain, not make it worse!
  • Good evening

    Another Brexit argument with polarised views

    My attitude is that we have left the EU and the discussion should be how we improve our relationship with the EU without opening the can of worms that rejoining would cause

    To be fair both Sunak and Starmer get it, with both much on the same page wanting closer friendship and cooperation without the full political project being resurrected

    I know many have been seriously upset by Brexit but the future lies with the centre and not the nastiness from both sides and in particular @Roger unacceptable comments today about the late Lord Lawson
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,756
    CatMan said:

    The Remain campaign was poor, but the number one main reason we left is 30 years of Rupert Murdoch and Paul Dacre telling us how shit the EEC/EC/EU/2nd Coming of Nazi Germany (delete as appropriate) was, with some Austerity thrown in.

    which has to be set against the Commission spending 30 years telling us how excellent EU was and how we needed more of it. It sort of balances out.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 58,838
    Cookie said:

    Yes, the first set should be labelled 'People born in Hull', and the second should be labelled 'people who invented types of diagram'. And the labels should be labels, not members of the sets.

    Honestly, they teach this stuff to primary school children. And those who fail to understand it get jobs in marketing
    You make it sound like a failure: this is an important filtering process that enables us to identify the future marketing managers early and ensure they learn appropriate skills.

    You know, like how to get the bill in any restaurant, anywhere in the world.
  • I have terrible toothache.

    I'm having a tooth extracted tomorrow.

    The pain is so bad I'd eat a pizza with pineapple on it if it got rid of the pain.

    Spaghetti might be easier to eat

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/food/recipes/hawaiian_spaghetti_67939

    I'm glad to see its rating is only one and a half stars
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 4,852

    I have terrible toothache.

    I'm having a tooth extracted tomorrow.

    The pain is so bad I'd eat a pizza with pineapple on it if it got rid of the pain.

    That was me last week.

    Not enjoying the soft foods or the salt water...
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,756
    edited April 2023
    rcs1000 said:

    You make it sound like a failure: this is an important filtering process that enables us to identify the future marketing managers early and ensure they learn appropriate skills.

    You know, like how to get the bill in any restaurant, anywhere in the world.
    Thats a developed skill. You can free load on the company, the financiers think theyve avoided paying but fail to understand the moneys all coming out of the same place.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 4,336
    Driver said:

    Pretty much, although with SNP constituency dominance in recent elections the regional members haven't been enough to bring it to proportion on the "second vote" (a term I really hate).
    Not really. The list seats only contribute 56. If the list percentage dictated the result it would need to influence all 129 seats not 56. SNP would lose 2 msps, Cons would lose 1 and the other parties would gain 2 or 3 msps.
  • DriverDriver Posts: 5,559
    CatMan said:

    The Remain campaign was poor, but the number one main reason we left is 30 years of Rupert Murdoch and Paul Dacre telling us how shit the EEC/EC/EU/2nd Coming of Nazi Germany (delete as appropriate) was, with some Austerity thrown in.

    Ah, Rupert Murdoch and Paul Dacre, the big bogeymen of the media.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,639

    Don't be silly @Leon . You are wacky, but not stupid. The fact that you are desperately trying to find a benefit of Brexit that you quote this tiny marginal benefit to an astonishingly small number of people (if it is much of a benefit when fully evaluated) shows what a pile of horse shit Brexit is. It is like a once prosperous person wading whose house has been wrecked by a hurricane picking through the rubble and saying it wasn't that bad because he had just found a ten dollar bill that had blown over the garden fence.

    Brexit was pointless. Dumb, stupid. You know it, but you cannot bring yourself to admit that as an intelligent person you were well and truly gulled. We have got over that we lost. You should get over that you were stupid.
    I may be reading too much into what someone posts on an internet site, but the impression I get is not one of a man who has got over being on the losing side in a referendum.
  • Try a pizza with an egg on it
    I regularly eat a pizza with egg on it.

    Really nice on pizzas with anchovies.
  • That was me last week.

    Not enjoying the soft foods or the salt water...
    Same.

    £1.70 for Heinz soup!

    Today was the day the cost of living crisis became real for me.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,756

    I regularly eat a pizza with egg on it.

    Really nice on pizzas with anchovies.
    its splits my house me and my son love it my wife and daughters say its unnatural
  • its splits my house me and my son love it my wife and daughters say its unnatural
    It has to be a runny egg otherwise it is unnatural.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 33,915
    "Sunak
    Satisfied 32% (+5)
    Dissatisfied 54% (-5)

    Starmer
    Satisfied 31% (-3)
    Dissatisfied 51% (+5)

    Ipsos"
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,756

    It has to be a runny egg otherwise it is unnatural.
    Agreed
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,776

    Don't be silly @Leon . You are wacky, but not stupid. The fact that you are desperately trying to find a benefit of Brexit that you quote this tiny marginal benefit to an astonishingly small number of people (if it is much of a benefit when fully evaluated) shows what a pile of horse shit Brexit is. It is like a once prosperous person wading whose house has been wrecked by a hurricane picking through the rubble and saying it wasn't that bad because he had just found a ten dollar bill that had blown over the garden fence.

    Brexit was pointless. Dumb, stupid. You know it, but you cannot bring yourself to admit that as an intelligent person you were well and truly gulled. We have got over that we lost. You should get over that you were stupid.
    The Brexit benefit is big for Leon. Not pointless or stupid.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,613

    Same.

    £1.70 for Heinz soup!

    Today was the day the cost of living crisis became real for me.
    Call it a luxury and go for skink instead.

    https://www.waitrose.com/ecom/products/baxters-chef-selections-cullen-skink/091855-47302-47303?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIvpb52tqQ_gIVjevtCh11GgvbEAQYBiABEgIjJ_D_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds
  • Same.

    £1.70 for Heinz soup!

    Today was the day the cost of living crisis became real for me.
    Asda have 4 heinz tomato soup at £4
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,031
    CatMan said:

    The Remain campaign was poor, but the number one main reason we left is 30 years of Rupert Murdoch and Paul Dacre telling us how shit the EEC/EC/EU/2nd Coming of Nazi Germany (delete as appropriate) was, with some Austerity thrown in.

    You somehow overlooked 40 years of deprivation of democracy, by Europhiles determiend they knew better than pesky voters...
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 4,336
    Driver said:

    Ah, Rupert Murdoch and Paul Dacre, the big bogeymen of the media.
    i'm glad you agree
  • Do people who understood why Germany couldn't help Ukraine properly at first because something to do with the Nazis and WW2, now understand why Germany is deeply ashamed for not helping sooner?
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,922

    It's likely noise, but I thought that the SNP saying FU to Forbes was going to drive right-thinking right-wing Scots into the welcoming embrace of the Conservative and Unionist Party?
    No chance , I will not vote Nu SNP but sure as hell ain't voting Tory.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,776
    Pagan2 said:

    An assertion that x benefits us is totally insufficient you actually have to give concrete examples of how it benefits

    In relation to the EU yes it had benefits but those benefits were very unequally spread. If you were a manager wanting to employ min wage workers, a middle class home owner wanting a cheap au pair or plumber then sure you got benefits.

    For half the country though they couldn't afford a plumber even at the cheaper prices but they did get increased pressure on housing and local services and more competition for low end jobs. I guess they got the benefit of not spending so long in a queue on their once a year trip to spain.
    Genuinely, do you think this has changed in the slightest since Brexit?

    Except maybe more so, as immigration has increased?
  • Andy_JS said:

    "Sunak
    Satisfied 32% (+5)
    Dissatisfied 54% (-5)

    Starmer
    Satisfied 31% (-3)
    Dissatisfied 51% (+5)

    Ipsos"

    Sunak also leads Starmer as best PM

    37% (+4) to 36 (-3)
  • kjhkjh Posts: 12,317
    Leon said:

    What bad stuff? Thanks to our brilliant Brexit from the EU you can now go and live in the EU and pay barely any tax. And if you get bored of Spain you can go to Greece, Croatia or Portugal, which are offering similar visas
    You absolute arse. What about everyone else who can't do that? You know 99.99% of the population. Talk about selfish.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,639

    Thats a developed skill. You can free load on the company, the financiers think theyve avoided paying but fail to understand the moneys all coming out of the same place.
    "Every sip of soup is going to get recouped"
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7kHi2gffeY
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 33,915
    Leon said:

    Can’t believe you’re all ignoring this. Actually I can because it is too awkward for many people

    I have discovered an Actual Brexit Benefit. And it’s the ability to move to a lovely sunny part of the EU and pay much less tax than EU citizens

    CHORTLE

    Don't tell Macron.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,756

    Do people who understood why Germany couldn't help Ukraine properly at first because something to do with the Nazis and WW2, now understand why Germany is deeply ashamed for not helping sooner?

    yes

    they were shit scared of losing gas supply, Putin screwed them and now theyre deeply ashamed for looking twats,
  • Carnyx said:

    Call it a luxury and go for skink instead.

    https://www.waitrose.com/ecom/products/baxters-chef-selections-cullen-skink/091855-47302-47303?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIvpb52tqQ_gIVjevtCh11GgvbEAQYBiABEgIjJ_D_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds
    Ooh thanks.

    I shall get some tomorrow.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,922

    Remind me... How does Scotland work? Is it that the regional vote is the one that basically determines the number of seats each party has? (i.e. each party gets the Constituency seats it wins, then the regions top up to get the right numbers by the regional vote shares?)

    If it's not that, it's something else really unobvious.
    You get a big negative the more constituency seats you win , hence SNP usually getting next to no list MSP's normally.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,639
    kjh said:

    You absolute arse. What about everyone else who can't do that? You know 99.99% of the population. Talk about selfish.
    Sounds not unlike the 99.9% of the population to whom the theoretical freedom to work anywhere in Europe under EU law is entirely irrelevant.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,914
    The digital nomad visa in Portugal is, like the Spanish one, ONLY open to non EU nationals


    I guess this must be an issue with EU law preventing tax competition between member states? Or something? IANAL

    Which means it’s probably the same in Greece and Croatia

    This is a genuine tangible Brexit benefit for Brits who are able to work and live remotely. We have found one!

    Of course it was unforeseeable - but that’s the nature of Brexit. It was a huge and revolutionary change, entirely unique, and you can never predict consequences years down the line, with things like that. It’s a bit like having a baby
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,976
    edited April 2023

    Sunak also leads Starmer as best PM

    37% (+4) to 36 (-3)
    Don't tell OGH that. He holds great store by the best PM figs iirc.
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