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Punters don’t think Corbyn will be an MP after the next election – politicalbetting.com

Earlier in the month it will be recalled Keir Starmer ruled that Corbyn should not be a LAB candidate at the next general election.

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TheScreamingEagles

Good.

It will be a great day when Corbyn is no longer an MP.

TheScreamingEagles

Oooh, was that a first?

Driver

If he stands and loses he gets a big payoff, right?

Taz

Driver said:

If he stands and loses he gets a big payoff, right?

His motivation surely is not monetary.

RochdalePioneers

Are we saying that Hamas coming out door knocking will put people off?

Emerald

Does it really matter anyway. Corbyn is a busted flush.

Omnium

On the most recent footage I've seen of him he looks pretty frail - although that to some extent could always have been said of him. I don't think he's likely to do anything really. However the Mayoral race is the obvious target if he does - far more so than his Islingnton seat.

fitalass

Twitter
mandy rhodes@holyroodmandy
An @theSNP backbench increasingly one of all the talents…
https://twitter.com/holyroodmandy/status/1641152113827799040

Benpointer

TheScreamingEagles said:

Oooh, was that a first?

No, I think you've done that insider posting many times before.

BlancheLivermore

fpt

TOPPING said:

I don't want to trigger @Leon but the Old Vic is woke as fuck.

The new Soho Place theatre performance of As You Like It that I saw was wonderfully woke

There were trans and non-binary actors (they're all that now, right?) (except the ones that want to be called actresses), some of them playing the cross-dressing parts. They were all very good

None of them quite as good as Rose Ayling-Ellis, whose energetic performance was quite compelling

The show was stolen from her, though, by Hollywood

Martha Plimpton was just exceptional as Jacques

TheScreamingEagles

A “gambling berserk” millionaire who lost more than £100,000 in a betting spree is suing a “luxury” bookmaker for allegedly failing to protect him from his addiction.

Scott O’Brien earned a fortune through a recycling business, but told a judge that he had been obsessed with “dark and destructive” gambling throughout adulthood.

He claimed that the addiction had once driven him to attempt suicide, in a legal claim that comes just days after regulators hit the UK’s biggest bookmaker with a record fine. The Gambling Commission ordered William Hill to pay £19.2 million because of a series of “widespread and alarming” failures to protect customers from substantial losses.

In O’Brien’s case, the former businessman has told a court that his gambling habit worsened after he sold his Essex-based paper recycling business, Pulp Friction, for £9 million in 2012. At one point he stashed £1 million in cash at the bottom of his wardrobe.

He is suing Star Sports after wagering more than £400,000 at the company’s main betting shop in Mayfair, west London.

The businessman, 54, told the hearing that he lost £48,859 on dog and horse racing, and that gambling on betting terminals took his losses to more than £100,000.

In a claim to have his money returned, the gambler’s lawyers say the company breached its duty to act in accordance with its “social responsibility code provisions”. They have told the court that some of O’Brien’s losses “were due to Star Sports’ failure to comply with the [code] applicable to its operating licence”.

O’Brien is also suing the bookmakers for breach of contract.

Star Sports is contesting the claim, with the company’s lawyers denying that the wealthy punter revealed that he had a problem. They insisted that “there is no general duty of care on a bookmaker to protect a gambling addict from the consequences of his addiction”.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/destructive-gambler-sues-star-sports-bookmaker-over-100-000-loss-tf552chnr

JosiasJessop

Has anyone posted this yet? Lib Dem local election launch:

https://twitter.com/HenryRiley1/status/1641015393576730629

RobD

TheScreamingEagles said:

A “gambling berserk” millionaire who lost more than £100,000 in a betting spree is suing a “luxury” bookmaker for allegedly failing to protect him from his addiction.

Scott O’Brien earned a fortune through a recycling business, but told a judge that he had been obsessed with “dark and destructive” gambling throughout adulthood.

He claimed that the addiction had once driven him to attempt suicide, in a legal claim that comes just days after regulators hit the UK’s biggest bookmaker with a record fine. The Gambling Commission ordered William Hill to pay £19.2 million because of a series of “widespread and alarming” failures to protect customers from substantial losses.

In O’Brien’s case, the former businessman has told a court that his gambling habit worsened after he sold his Essex-based paper recycling business, Pulp Friction, for £9 million in 2012. At one point he stashed £1 million in cash at the bottom of his wardrobe.

He is suing Star Sports after wagering more than £400,000 at the company’s main betting shop in Mayfair, west London.

The businessman, 54, told the hearing that he lost £48,859 on dog and horse racing, and that gambling on betting terminals took his losses to more than £100,000.

In a claim to have his money returned, the gambler’s lawyers say the company breached its duty to act in accordance with its “social responsibility code provisions”. They have told the court that some of O’Brien’s losses “were due to Star Sports’ failure to comply with the [code] applicable to its operating licence”.

O’Brien is also suing the bookmakers for breach of contract.

Star Sports is contesting the claim, with the company’s lawyers denying that the wealthy punter revealed that he had a problem. They insisted that “there is no general duty of care on a bookmaker to protect a gambling addict from the consequences of his addiction”.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/destructive-gambler-sues-star-sports-bookmaker-over-100-000-loss-tf552chnr

He has £10mn and is suing a bookmaker for £100k because he couldn't control himself? What size violin should we be using for this sob story?

fitalass

Ouch!
Iain Macwhirter in The Spectator - Is Humza Yousaf destined for Liz Truss’s fate?
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/is-humza-yousaf-destined-for-liz-trusss-fate/

"As Kate Forbes settles down next to Nicola Sturgeon on the Holyrood backbenches today she has cause to be well satisfied. From a standing start she won nearly half the SNP votes even though the party machine and the payroll vote of ministers and elected members were ranged against her. Her honesty and clarity of thought shone through the hustings fog. She can now sit back and enjoy the show as Humza Yousaf does his best to emulate Liz Truss. Forbes is now the leader in waiting."

SirNorfolkPassmore

Omnium said:

On the most recent footage I've seen of him he looks pretty frail - although that to some extent could always have been said of him. I don't think he's likely to do anything really. However the Mayoral race is the obvious target if he does - far more so than his Islingnton seat.

He's not going to be Mayor of London. Livingstone had been reasonably popular as GLC leader before Thatcher axed it, he was energetic back in 2000, and there was a Dick Whittington thing going on, and a Mr London thing. Even then, people tired of it after a while and he lost a basically red city twice.

Corbyn is now an elderly crank who is actually far more interested in Bolivian tin miners (or whatever it is now) than London. I'm sure he'd attract a crowd and run it reasonably close in his own seat. But he's not really a runner at the London wide level - a Labour mayoral candidate needs to keep it competitive in Bromley, Enfield, Kingston... even in Golders Green.

I'm more sceptical about Mayor than MP for JC.

Omnium

RobD said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

A “gambling berserk” millionaire who lost more than £100,000 in a betting spree is suing a “luxury” bookmaker for allegedly failing to protect him from his addiction.

Scott O’Brien earned a fortune through a recycling business, but told a judge that he had been obsessed with “dark and destructive” gambling throughout adulthood.

He claimed that the addiction had once driven him to attempt suicide, in a legal claim that comes just days after regulators hit the UK’s biggest bookmaker with a record fine. The Gambling Commission ordered William Hill to pay £19.2 million because of a series of “widespread and alarming” failures to protect customers from substantial losses.

In O’Brien’s case, the former businessman has told a court that his gambling habit worsened after he sold his Essex-based paper recycling business, Pulp Friction, for £9 million in 2012. At one point he stashed £1 million in cash at the bottom of his wardrobe.

He is suing Star Sports after wagering more than £400,000 at the company’s main betting shop in Mayfair, west London.

The businessman, 54, told the hearing that he lost £48,859 on dog and horse racing, and that gambling on betting terminals took his losses to more than £100,000.

In a claim to have his money returned, the gambler’s lawyers say the company breached its duty to act in accordance with its “social responsibility code provisions”. They have told the court that some of O’Brien’s losses “were due to Star Sports’ failure to comply with the [code] applicable to its operating licence”.

O’Brien is also suing the bookmakers for breach of contract.

Star Sports is contesting the claim, with the company’s lawyers denying that the wealthy punter revealed that he had a problem. They insisted that “there is no general duty of care on a bookmaker to protect a gambling addict from the consequences of his addiction”.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/destructive-gambler-sues-star-sports-bookmaker-over-100-000-loss-tf552chnr

He has £10mn and is suing a bookmaker for £100k because he couldn't control himself? What size violin should we be using for this sob story?

Isn't that just the usual legal fee? You could make 1% of your fees - go legal!

solarflare

RobD said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

A “gambling berserk” millionaire who lost more than £100,000 in a betting spree is suing a “luxury” bookmaker for allegedly failing to protect him from his addiction.

Scott O’Brien earned a fortune through a recycling business, but told a judge that he had been obsessed with “dark and destructive” gambling throughout adulthood.

He claimed that the addiction had once driven him to attempt suicide, in a legal claim that comes just days after regulators hit the UK’s biggest bookmaker with a record fine. The Gambling Commission ordered William Hill to pay £19.2 million because of a series of “widespread and alarming” failures to protect customers from substantial losses.

In O’Brien’s case, the former businessman has told a court that his gambling habit worsened after he sold his Essex-based paper recycling business, Pulp Friction, for £9 million in 2012. At one point he stashed £1 million in cash at the bottom of his wardrobe.

He is suing Star Sports after wagering more than £400,000 at the company’s main betting shop in Mayfair, west London.

The businessman, 54, told the hearing that he lost £48,859 on dog and horse racing, and that gambling on betting terminals took his losses to more than £100,000.

In a claim to have his money returned, the gambler’s lawyers say the company breached its duty to act in accordance with its “social responsibility code provisions”. They have told the court that some of O’Brien’s losses “were due to Star Sports’ failure to comply with the [code] applicable to its operating licence”.

O’Brien is also suing the bookmakers for breach of contract.

Star Sports is contesting the claim, with the company’s lawyers denying that the wealthy punter revealed that he had a problem. They insisted that “there is no general duty of care on a bookmaker to protect a gambling addict from the consequences of his addiction”.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/destructive-gambler-sues-star-sports-bookmaker-over-100-000-loss-tf552chnr

He has £10mn and is suing a bookmaker for £100k because he couldn't control himself? What size violin should we be using for this sob story?

A small one. But the guy does get a bonus point for the recycling business name "Pulp Friction".

AlistairM

Not sure if anyone has posted this yet. Debate programme in Russia where a couple of commentators are saying they need to end their "adventure" in Ukraine. Of course, they are shouted down by others, but revealing that this is being spoken about now.

Meanwhile in Russia: sane voices who say that Putin's military adventure should be put to an end ASAP are contradicted by rabid propagandists who allege that both the military might and the unity of the Western countries exist only on paper.
https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1640913235334266880

Casino_Royale

Humza Yousaf's hubris is truly a delight to watch in real-time.

OnlyLivingBoy

BlancheLivermore said:

fpt

TOPPING said:

I don't want to trigger @Leon but the Old Vic is woke as fuck.

The new Soho Place theatre performance of As You Like It that I saw was wonderfully woke

There were trans and non-binary actors (they're all that now, right?) (except the ones that want to be called actresses), some of them playing the cross-dressing parts. They were all very good

None of them quite as good as Rose Ayling-Ellis, whose energetic performance was quite compelling

The show was stolen from her, though, by Hollywood

Martha Plimpton was just exceptional as Jacques

It is a great production, we took the kids and we all really enjoyed it, although the night was marred somewhat by my wife's phone getting lifted in Five Guys beforehand.

JosiasJessop

AlistairM said:

Not sure if anyone has posted this yet. Debate programme in Russia where a couple of commentators are saying they need to end their "adventure" in Ukraine. Of course, they are shouted down by others, but revealing that this is being spoken about now.

Meanwhile in Russia: sane voices who say that Putin's military adventure should be put to an end ASAP are contradicted by rabid propagandists who allege that both the military might and the unity of the Western countries exist only on paper.
https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1640913235334266880

It has been alleged that is the way some of the Russian media work: they put someone on to say what many of the audience are thinking (e.g. that the war s stupid and should be stopped), then get the other commentators to bash that view and belittle the person who said it. By extension, the audience who agreed with that view are also belittled.

Omnium

SirNorfolkPassmore said:

Omnium said:

On the most recent footage I've seen of him he looks pretty frail - although that to some extent could always have been said of him. I don't think he's likely to do anything really. However the Mayoral race is the obvious target if he does - far more so than his Islingnton seat.

He's not going to be Mayor of London. Livingstone had been reasonably popular as GLC leader before Thatcher axed it, he was energetic back in 2000, and there was a Dick Whittington thing going on, and a Mr London thing. Even then, people tired of it after a while and he lost a basically red city twice.

Corbyn is now an elderly crank who is actually far more interested in Bolivian tin miners (or whatever it is now) than London. I'm sure he'd attract a crowd and run it reasonably close in his own seat. But he's not really a runner at the London wide level - a Labour mayoral candidate needs to keep it competitive in Bromley, Enfield, Kingston... even in Golders Green.

I'm more sceptical about Mayor than MP for JC.

I refer you to the case of Ken Livingstone. I don't know he'll run for mayor, but it's his best angle. In Islington North he's going to be fighting against a concentracted attack. A Mayoral run will allow him to be beardy all over the place.

SirNorfolkPassmore

Driver said:

If he stands and loses he gets a big payoff, right?

Not big. Loss of office payment is two months' salary. Worth it for a handful of MPs in precarious circumstances, but not worth the humiliation for people like Corbyn. He'll stand if he thinks he's got a good chance of winning, and not otherwise.

ping

The Julian Knight story is bizarre.

I said at the time he had the whip suspended, if I was to rank all the Tory MPs in order of likelihood/believability of sexual assault allegations, I’d have Knight low down on the list.

I don’t share his politics, but can’t help but feel he has been treated rather unfairly.

Any opinions, PBers?

solarflare

Casino_Royale said:

Humza Yousaf's hubris is truly a delight to watch in real-time.

As far as I can tell the entirety of indy blog-o-land's pretty much all of the shared view that the only realistic hope now is that he fucks up so incredibly quickly that things move on past him immediately and someone else can try to pick up the pieces.

SirNorfolkPassmore

Omnium said:

SirNorfolkPassmore said:

Omnium said:

On the most recent footage I've seen of him he looks pretty frail - although that to some extent could always have been said of him. I don't think he's likely to do anything really. However the Mayoral race is the obvious target if he does - far more so than his Islingnton seat.

He's not going to be Mayor of London. Livingstone had been reasonably popular as GLC leader before Thatcher axed it, he was energetic back in 2000, and there was a Dick Whittington thing going on, and a Mr London thing. Even then, people tired of it after a while and he lost a basically red city twice.

Corbyn is now an elderly crank who is actually far more interested in Bolivian tin miners (or whatever it is now) than London. I'm sure he'd attract a crowd and run it reasonably close in his own seat. But he's not really a runner at the London wide level - a Labour mayoral candidate needs to keep it competitive in Bromley, Enfield, Kingston... even in Golders Green.

I'm more sceptical about Mayor than MP for JC.

I refer you to the case of Ken Livingstone. I don't know he'll run for mayor, but it's his best angle. In Islington North he's going to be fighting against a concentracted attack. A Mayoral run will allow him to be beardy all over the place.

I literally explained in my post why he's no Livingstone.

RochdalePioneers

fitalass said:

Ouch!
Iain Macwhirter in The Spectator - Is Humza Yousaf destined for Liz Truss’s fate?
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/is-humza-yousaf-destined-for-liz-trusss-fate/

"As Kate Forbes settles down next to Nicola Sturgeon on the Holyrood backbenches today she has cause to be well satisfied. From a standing start she won nearly half the SNP votes even though the party machine and the payroll vote of ministers and elected members were ranged against her. Her honesty and clarity of thought shone through the hustings fog. She can now sit back and enjoy the show as Humza Yousaf does his best to emulate Liz Truss. Forbes is now the leader in waiting."

Would be funny to watch! Ultimately he represents just over half of the party membership, yet appears to think he can just discard them.

The real oddity for me is that he has appointed a minister for NHS Recovery. He was Health Minister until yesterday, so if recovery is needed* isn't that his fault?

*spoiler alert - it is needed.

Jim_Miller

FPT: That HMP Berwyn scandal reminds me of similar scandals in the US. One, in Baltimore, was a big enough scandal to draw this suggestion from a state senator (whose name I have forgotten): Prisons for men should only employ men, and ugly men at that.

She is black, and represented a safe district, so she could get away with such practical advice.

(Don't know whether such sex discrimination would be legal in Maryland. Probably not. But it's still a good idea.)

Omnium

SirNorfolkPassmore said:

Omnium said:

SirNorfolkPassmore said:

Omnium said:

On the most recent footage I've seen of him he looks pretty frail - although that to some extent could always have been said of him. I don't think he's likely to do anything really. However the Mayoral race is the obvious target if he does - far more so than his Islingnton seat.

He's not going to be Mayor of London. Livingstone had been reasonably popular as GLC leader before Thatcher axed it, he was energetic back in 2000, and there was a Dick Whittington thing going on, and a Mr London thing. Even then, people tired of it after a while and he lost a basically red city twice.

Corbyn is now an elderly crank who is actually far more interested in Bolivian tin miners (or whatever it is now) than London. I'm sure he'd attract a crowd and run it reasonably close in his own seat. But he's not really a runner at the London wide level - a Labour mayoral candidate needs to keep it competitive in Bromley, Enfield, Kingston... even in Golders Green.

I'm more sceptical about Mayor than MP for JC.

I refer you to the case of Ken Livingstone. I don't know he'll run for mayor, but it's his best angle. In Islington North he's going to be fighting against a concentracted attack. A Mayoral run will allow him to be beardy all over the place.

I literally explained in my post why he's no Livingstone.

I know - and I'm sure you need to look again.

RochdalePioneers

I do hope that Jezbollah does run again for election. As MP, as Mayor, whatever. Because doing so will flush out all of the cranks. Who will make a virtue of finger jabbing, of dodgy arithmetic regarding the 2017 general election, and of how anti-semitism was just made up and anyway how will YOU apologise for Israel?

Please let him run one last time. We need the entertainment.

SirNorfolkPassmore

solarflare said:

RobD said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

A “gambling berserk” millionaire who lost more than £100,000 in a betting spree is suing a “luxury” bookmaker for allegedly failing to protect him from his addiction.

Scott O’Brien earned a fortune through a recycling business, but told a judge that he had been obsessed with “dark and destructive” gambling throughout adulthood.

He claimed that the addiction had once driven him to attempt suicide, in a legal claim that comes just days after regulators hit the UK’s biggest bookmaker with a record fine. The Gambling Commission ordered William Hill to pay £19.2 million because of a series of “widespread and alarming” failures to protect customers from substantial losses.

In O’Brien’s case, the former businessman has told a court that his gambling habit worsened after he sold his Essex-based paper recycling business, Pulp Friction, for £9 million in 2012. At one point he stashed £1 million in cash at the bottom of his wardrobe.

He is suing Star Sports after wagering more than £400,000 at the company’s main betting shop in Mayfair, west London.

The businessman, 54, told the hearing that he lost £48,859 on dog and horse racing, and that gambling on betting terminals took his losses to more than £100,000.

In a claim to have his money returned, the gambler’s lawyers say the company breached its duty to act in accordance with its “social responsibility code provisions”. They have told the court that some of O’Brien’s losses “were due to Star Sports’ failure to comply with the [code] applicable to its operating licence”.

O’Brien is also suing the bookmakers for breach of contract.

Star Sports is contesting the claim, with the company’s lawyers denying that the wealthy punter revealed that he had a problem. They insisted that “there is no general duty of care on a bookmaker to protect a gambling addict from the consequences of his addiction”.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/destructive-gambler-sues-star-sports-bookmaker-over-100-000-loss-tf552chnr

He has £10mn and is suing a bookmaker for £100k because he couldn't control himself? What size violin should we be using for this sob story?

A small one. But the guy does get a bonus point for the recycling business name "Pulp Friction".

I thought that was a pun fail, to be honest. I mean, "pulp friction" isn't a thing, is it? He's just taken the name of a film and added a letter to prevent being sued... but it's meaningless.

stodge

The irony is Corbyn first won the seat in 1983 and beat into fourth the previous Labour MP who stood as an Independent.

Will history repeat in 2024?

Roger

TheScreamingEagles said:

A “gambling berserk” millionaire who lost more than £100,000 in a betting spree is suing a “luxury” bookmaker for allegedly failing to protect him from his addiction.

Scott O’Brien earned a fortune through a recycling business, but told a judge that he had been obsessed with “dark and destructive” gambling throughout adulthood.

He claimed that the addiction had once driven him to attempt suicide, in a legal claim that comes just days after regulators hit the UK’s biggest bookmaker with a record fine. The Gambling Commission ordered William Hill to pay £19.2 million because of a series of “widespread and alarming” failures to protect customers from substantial losses.

In O’Brien’s case, the former businessman has told a court that his gambling habit worsened after he sold his Essex-based paper recycling business, Pulp Friction, for £9 million in 2012. At one point he stashed £1 million in cash at the bottom of his wardrobe.

He is suing Star Sports after wagering more than £400,000 at the company’s main betting shop in Mayfair, west London.

The businessman, 54, told the hearing that he lost £48,859 on dog and horse racing, and that gambling on betting terminals took his losses to more than £100,000.

In a claim to have his money returned, the gambler’s lawyers say the company breached its duty to act in accordance with its “social responsibility code provisions”. They have told the court that some of O’Brien’s losses “were due to Star Sports’ failure to comply with the [code] applicable to its operating licence”.

O’Brien is also suing the bookmakers for breach of contract.

Star Sports is contesting the claim, with the company’s lawyers denying that the wealthy punter revealed that he had a problem. They insisted that “there is no general duty of care on a bookmaker to protect a gambling addict from the consequences of his addiction”.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/destructive-gambler-sues-star-sports-bookmaker-over-100-000-loss-tf552chnr

Bet you £500 at even money that he loses his case.

(I reserve the right to sue you for feeding my gambling addiction if I lose)

GIN1138

Maybe Jezza will do a Ken Livingstone and stand for London Mayor as an independent at the next Mayoral election?

bigjohnowls

stodge said:

The irony is Corbyn first won the seat in 1983 and beat into fourth the previous Labour MP who stood as an Independent.

Will history repeat in 2024?

No

The previous MP having left Labour could not even get the nomination for his new Party, but stood anyway.

Benpointer

SirNorfolkPassmore said:

Omnium said:

SirNorfolkPassmore said:

Omnium said:

On the most recent footage I've seen of him he looks pretty frail - although that to some extent could always have been said of him. I don't think he's likely to do anything really. However the Mayoral race is the obvious target if he does - far more so than his Islingnton seat.

He's not going to be Mayor of London. Livingstone had been reasonably popular as GLC leader before Thatcher axed it, he was energetic back in 2000, and there was a Dick Whittington thing going on, and a Mr London thing. Even then, people tired of it after a while and he lost a basically red city twice.

Corbyn is now an elderly crank who is actually far more interested in Bolivian tin miners (or whatever it is now) than London. I'm sure he'd attract a crowd and run it reasonably close in his own seat. But he's not really a runner at the London wide level - a Labour mayoral candidate needs to keep it competitive in Bromley, Enfield, Kingston... even in Golders Green.

I'm more sceptical about Mayor than MP for JC.

I refer you to the case of Ken Livingstone. I don't know he'll run for mayor, but it's his best angle. In Islington North he's going to be fighting against a concentracted attack. A Mayoral run will allow him to be beardy all over the place.

I literally explained in my post why he's no Livingstone.

Omnium clearly didn't spot your Livingstone, I presume?

ping

ping said:

The Julian Knight story is bizarre.

I said at the time he had the whip suspended, if I was to rank all the Tory MPs in order of likelihood/believability of sexual assault allegations, I’d have Knight low down on the list.

I don’t share his politics, but can’t help but feel he has been treated rather unfairly.

Any opinions, PBers?

From what I can see, his notable supporters since the police investigation was dropped are;

1. Harvey Procter.
2. A single local outspoken tory councillor.

Silence from all the other councillors / local tories / local & national tory MP’s.

He’s being hung out to dry. Politics is brutal, init?

ThomasNashe

RochdalePioneers said:

I do hope that Jezbollah does run again for election. As MP, as Mayor, whatever. Because doing so will flush out all of the cranks. Who will make a virtue of finger jabbing, of dodgy arithmetic regarding the 2017 general election, and of how anti-semitism was just made up and anyway how will YOU apologise for Israel?

Please let him run one last time. We need the entertainment.

Anyone who backs his campaign will be instantly expelled from Labour. So yes, I think SKS will want him to run as an independent even if it means losing the seat (and I don’t actually think it will). It would be a great opportunity to flush out all the fellow travellers, and flush them down.

Roger

A bit of a cheap shot getting rid of Corbyn. It's not a Clause 4 moment and kicking a septuagenarian when he's down isn't cool

HYUFD

Not impossible Corbyn could win, Dave Nellist nearly won his old seat of Coventry South East in 1992 when Kinnock
expelled him from Labour for his Militant links and Corbyn is a longer serving MP for Islington North and better known as a former party leader than he was

ThomasNashe

Roger said:

A bit of a cheap shot getting rid of Corbyn. It's not a Clause 4 moment and kicking a septuagenarian when he's down isn't cool

Corbyn enabled both Johnson and Brexit. He absolutely deserves whatever’s coming too him.

BlancheLivermore

OnlyLivingBoy said:

BlancheLivermore said:

fpt

TOPPING said:

I don't want to trigger @Leon but the Old Vic is woke as fuck.

The new Soho Place theatre performance of As You Like It that I saw was wonderfully woke

There were trans and non-binary actors (they're all that now, right?) (except the ones that want to be called actresses), some of them playing the cross-dressing parts. They were all very good

None of them quite as good as Rose Ayling-Ellis, whose energetic performance was quite compelling

The show was stolen from her, though, by Hollywood

Martha Plimpton was just exceptional as Jacques

It is a great production, we took the kids and we all really enjoyed it, although the night was marred somewhat by my wife's phone getting lifted in Five Guys beforehand.

Sorry to hear about that

But delighted to learn that you seem to have enjoyed the show as much as I did

I was really surprised by how many people I saw signing in the audience before the show

Then I saw the show, and I wanted to be one of the people who could sign to the no-audio-ence

Foxy

Roger said:

A bit of a cheap shot getting rid of Corbyn. It's not a Clause 4 moment and kicking a septuagenarian when he's down isn't cool

Yeah, I agree. If Blair can put up with him, why not Starmer?

GIN1138

ThomasNashe said:

Roger said:

A bit of a cheap shot getting rid of Corbyn. It's not a Clause 4 moment and kicking a septuagenarian when he's down isn't cool

Corbyn enabled both Johnson and Brexit. He absolutely deserves whatever’s coming too him.

We could never have done it without him

Theuniondivvie

Lovely that these lads have been rendered speechless* by this multicultural moment.

*if fucking only.

Mexicanpete

Foxy said:

Roger said:

A bit of a cheap shot getting rid of Corbyn. It's not a Clause 4 moment and kicking a septuagenarian when he's down isn't cool

Yeah, I agree. If Blair can put up with him, why not Starmer?

Back in the day we hadn't realised that Corbyn was so ridiculously malign and stupid that he couldn't tell the difference between Benjamin Netanyahu and Luciana Berger. Now we know.

MattW

TheScreamingEagles said:

A “gambling berserk” millionaire who lost more than £100,000 in a betting spree is suing a “luxury” bookmaker for allegedly failing to protect him from his addiction.

Scott O’Brien earned a fortune through a recycling business, but told a judge that he had been obsessed with “dark and destructive” gambling throughout adulthood.

He claimed that the addiction had once driven him to attempt suicide, in a legal claim that comes just days after regulators hit the UK’s biggest bookmaker with a record fine. The Gambling Commission ordered William Hill to pay £19.2 million because of a series of “widespread and alarming” failures to protect customers from substantial losses.

In O’Brien’s case, the former businessman has told a court that his gambling habit worsened after he sold his Essex-based paper recycling business, Pulp Friction, for £9 million in 2012. At one point he stashed £1 million in cash at the bottom of his wardrobe.

He is suing Star Sports after wagering more than £400,000 at the company’s main betting shop in Mayfair, west London.

The businessman, 54, told the hearing that he lost £48,859 on dog and horse racing, and that gambling on betting terminals took his losses to more than £100,000.

In a claim to have his money returned, the gambler’s lawyers say the company breached its duty to act in accordance with its “social responsibility code provisions”. They have told the court that some of O’Brien’s losses “were due to Star Sports’ failure to comply with the [code] applicable to its operating licence”.

O’Brien is also suing the bookmakers for breach of contract.

Star Sports is contesting the claim, with the company’s lawyers denying that the wealthy punter revealed that he had a problem. They insisted that “there is no general duty of care on a bookmaker to protect a gambling addict from the consequences of his addiction”.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/destructive-gambler-sues-star-sports-bookmaker-over-100-000-loss-tf552chnr

I thought the key recovery principle was to take responsibility for your actions.

bigjohnowls

ThomasNashe said:

Roger said:

A bit of a cheap shot getting rid of Corbyn. It's not a Clause 4 moment and kicking a septuagenarian when he's down isn't cool

Corbyn enabled both Johnson and Brexit. He absolutely deserves whatever’s coming too him.

Of course he did

MattW

I'm slightly interested in why Mr Starmer is leaving the other nutters alone.

algarkirk

fitalass said:

Ouch!
Iain Macwhirter in The Spectator - Is Humza Yousaf destined for Liz Truss’s fate?
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/is-humza-yousaf-destined-for-liz-trusss-fate/

"As Kate Forbes settles down next to Nicola Sturgeon on the Holyrood backbenches today she has cause to be well satisfied. From a standing start she won nearly half the SNP votes even though the party machine and the payroll vote of ministers and elected members were ranged against her. Her honesty and clarity of thought shone through the hustings fog. She can now sit back and enjoy the show as Humza Yousaf does his best to emulate Liz Truss. Forbes is now the leader in waiting."

Interesting. It seems to me that we have the dullest set of party leaders (UK, Scotland, Wales) in recent memory. Forbes would have been a bright star in that particularly dim firmament. The SNP have missed an opportunity to have a very different image, with a broader centrist policy

So while, I think and hope, the public have settled on a Labour led coalition/cobbling together/supply in 2024 there is no sense of excitement about either the leading actors or the potential policies.

BTW in the rural north of England/Scottish borders there are quite a few people who think she is marvellous and speaks for their values but that her first concern should be to look after the baby rather than running a country. (Cue howls of derision from urbanites).

algarkirk

MattW said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

A “gambling berserk” millionaire who lost more than £100,000 in a betting spree is suing a “luxury” bookmaker for allegedly failing to protect him from his addiction.

Scott O’Brien earned a fortune through a recycling business, but told a judge that he had been obsessed with “dark and destructive” gambling throughout adulthood.

He claimed that the addiction had once driven him to attempt suicide, in a legal claim that comes just days after regulators hit the UK’s biggest bookmaker with a record fine. The Gambling Commission ordered William Hill to pay £19.2 million because of a series of “widespread and alarming” failures to protect customers from substantial losses.

In O’Brien’s case, the former businessman has told a court that his gambling habit worsened after he sold his Essex-based paper recycling business, Pulp Friction, for £9 million in 2012. At one point he stashed £1 million in cash at the bottom of his wardrobe.

He is suing Star Sports after wagering more than £400,000 at the company’s main betting shop in Mayfair, west London.

The businessman, 54, told the hearing that he lost £48,859 on dog and horse racing, and that gambling on betting terminals took his losses to more than £100,000.

In a claim to have his money returned, the gambler’s lawyers say the company breached its duty to act in accordance with its “social responsibility code provisions”. They have told the court that some of O’Brien’s losses “were due to Star Sports’ failure to comply with the [code] applicable to its operating licence”.

O’Brien is also suing the bookmakers for breach of contract.

Star Sports is contesting the claim, with the company’s lawyers denying that the wealthy punter revealed that he had a problem. They insisted that “there is no general duty of care on a bookmaker to protect a gambling addict from the consequences of his addiction”.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/destructive-gambler-sues-star-sports-bookmaker-over-100-000-loss-tf552chnr

I thought the key recovery principle was to take responsibility for your actions.

Indeed.

My very long shots on horses keep on unseating rider, falling at fences and being pulled up. Who should I sue?

Barnesian

I think Corbyn will stand again because it's his life and he's dogged.

I think he'll win because he's a good constituency MP and his electors are also dogged.

What odds can I get on him winning his seat?

Mexicanpete

MattW said:

I'm slightly interested in why Mr Starmer is leaving the other nutters alone.

He can't do anything about JRM or Nadine. Different party!

Carnyx

Theuniondivvie said:

Lovely that these lads have been rendered speechless* by this multicultural moment.

*if fucking only.

Crivvens, help ma boab, the comments are quite something on that tweet.

HYUFD

Theuniondivvie said:

Lovely that these lads have been rendered speechless* by this multicultural moment.

*if fucking only.

'Confused says:
27 March, 2023 at 2:57 pm
and the cops say : nothing to see here, move along …

I mean, it could work out. I, for one, salute our new islamic overlord, FM is too paltry a title, make him Caliph

now all he has to do is :

declare the UNION to be absolutely HARAM

make the ENGLISH all KUFFARS

and make the YES Movement a NATIONAL JIHAD

and … we’re fucking done.

If it had to be a muslim, I would have preferred IMRAN KHAN – he has been trying to clean up Pakistan, rid it of the globalist scum and spooks, but it’s clear he is going to get shot, maybe very soon; at least our cricket team would improve.

– you have to go with the flow.'
https://wingsoverscotland.com/the-hollow-crown/

Roger

ThomasNashe said:

Roger said:

A bit of a cheap shot getting rid of Corbyn. It's not a Clause 4 moment and kicking a septuagenarian when he's down isn't cool

Corbyn enabled both Johnson and Brexit. He absolutely deserves whatever’s coming too him.

I agree with your first sentence and for enabling Johnson and Brexit he should burn in hellfire but this is about Starmer. For a new and compassionate Labour leader this looks vindictive

Foxy

HYUFD said:

Theuniondivvie said:

Lovely that these lads have been rendered speechless* by this multicultural moment.

*if fucking only.

'Confused says:
27 March, 2023 at 2:57 pm
and the cops say : nothing to see here, move along …

I mean, it could work out. I, for one, salute our new islamic overlord, FM is too paltry a title, make him Caliph

now all he has to do is :

declare the UNION to be absolutely HARAM

make the ENGLISH all KUFFARS

and make the YES Movement a NATIONAL JIHAD

and … we’re fucking done.

If it had to be a muslim, I would have preferred IMRAN KHAN – he has been trying to clean up Pakistan, rid it of the globalist scum and spooks, but it’s clear he is going to get shot, maybe very soon; at least our cricket team would improve.

– you have to go with the flow.'
https://wingsoverscotland.com/the-hollow-crown/

There are still a lot of racists in our countries. Perhaps only a few percent, but could be the difference for Sunak too.

Carnyx

HYUFD said:

Theuniondivvie said:

Lovely that these lads have been rendered speechless* by this multicultural moment.

*if fucking only.

'Confused says:
27 March, 2023 at 2:57 pm
and the cops say : nothing to see here, move along …

I mean, it could work out. I, for one, salute our new islamic overlord, FM is too paltry a title, make him Caliph

now all he has to do is :

declare the UNION to be absolutely HARAM

make the ENGLISH all KUFFARS

and make the YES Movement a NATIONAL JIHAD

and … we’re fucking done.

If it had to be a muslim, I would have preferred IMRAN KHAN – he has been trying to clean up Pakistan, rid it of the globalist scum and spooks, but it’s clear he is going to get shot, maybe very soon; at least our cricket team would improve.

– you have to go with the flow.'
https://wingsoverscotland.com/the-hollow-crown/

That's not by a Scot*. There is one very big clue there, but you are obviously unwilling to spot it.

*Or at leastd someone who primarily identifies as one.

You should have a look at the tweet itself. Lots of UJ types like you there.

ThomasNashe

Barnesian said:

I think Corbyn will stand again because it's his life and he's dogged.

I think he'll win because he's a good constituency MP and his electors are also dogged.

What odds can I get on him winning his seat?

We don’t know if he’ll stand yet. fwiw, while he’s undoubtedly popular in Islington North, I think a lot of those who do like him personally will still see the bigger picture which decrees his expulsion to have been necessary. And in the end they’ll vote for the official Labour candidate.

HYUFD

Carnyx said:

HYUFD said:

Theuniondivvie said:

Lovely that these lads have been rendered speechless* by this multicultural moment.

*if fucking only.

'Confused says:
27 March, 2023 at 2:57 pm
and the cops say : nothing to see here, move along …

I mean, it could work out. I, for one, salute our new islamic overlord, FM is too paltry a title, make him Caliph

now all he has to do is :

declare the UNION to be absolutely HARAM

make the ENGLISH all KUFFARS

and make the YES Movement a NATIONAL JIHAD

and … we’re fucking done.

If it had to be a muslim, I would have preferred IMRAN KHAN – he has been trying to clean up Pakistan, rid it of the globalist scum and spooks, but it’s clear he is going to get shot, maybe very soon; at least our cricket team would improve.

– you have to go with the flow.'
https://wingsoverscotland.com/the-hollow-crown/

That's not by a Scot*. There is one very big clue there, but you are obviously unwilling to spot it.

*Or at leastd someone who primarily identifies as one.

You should have a look at the tweet itself. Lots of UJ types like you there.

Of course it is from a Scot, it is from a website that is Scottish Independence central.

The fact he others the English confirms it

Carnyx

HYUFD said:

Carnyx said:

HYUFD said:

Theuniondivvie said:

Lovely that these lads have been rendered speechless* by this multicultural moment.

*if fucking only.

'Confused says:
27 March, 2023 at 2:57 pm
and the cops say : nothing to see here, move along …

I mean, it could work out. I, for one, salute our new islamic overlord, FM is too paltry a title, make him Caliph

now all he has to do is :

declare the UNION to be absolutely HARAM

make the ENGLISH all KUFFARS

and make the YES Movement a NATIONAL JIHAD

and … we’re fucking done.

If it had to be a muslim, I would have preferred IMRAN KHAN – he has been trying to clean up Pakistan, rid it of the globalist scum and spooks, but it’s clear he is going to get shot, maybe very soon; at least our cricket team would improve.

– you have to go with the flow.'
https://wingsoverscotland.com/the-hollow-crown/

That's not by a Scot*. There is one very big clue there, but you are obviously unwilling to spot it.

*Or at leastd someone who primarily identifies as one.

You should have a look at the tweet itself. Lots of UJ types like you there.

Of course it is from a Scot, it is from a website that is Scottish Independence central

Anyone can post there. I mean, they let you post on here. And you are always going on about declaring the SNP traitors and so on.

Just read it again.

"our cricket team".

Where did you ever see a Scot complaining about his national cricket team?

Barnesian

ThomasNashe said:

Barnesian said:

I think Corbyn will stand again because it's his life and he's dogged.

I think he'll win because he's a good constituency MP and his electors are also dogged.

What odds can I get on him winning his seat?

We don’t know if he’ll stand yet. fwiw, while he’s undoubtedly popular in Islington North, I think a lot of those who do like him personally will still see the bigger picture which decrees his expulsion to have been necessary. And in the end they’ll vote for the official Labour candidate.

We disagree on that. I've put £50 up on smarkets at 2/1 that he'll stand and win if you are interested.

EPG

algarkirk said:

fitalass said:

Ouch!
Iain Macwhirter in The Spectator - Is Humza Yousaf destined for Liz Truss’s fate?
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/is-humza-yousaf-destined-for-liz-trusss-fate/

"As Kate Forbes settles down next to Nicola Sturgeon on the Holyrood backbenches today she has cause to be well satisfied. From a standing start she won nearly half the SNP votes even though the party machine and the payroll vote of ministers and elected members were ranged against her. Her honesty and clarity of thought shone through the hustings fog. She can now sit back and enjoy the show as Humza Yousaf does his best to emulate Liz Truss. Forbes is now the leader in waiting."

Interesting. It seems to me that we have the dullest set of party leaders (UK, Scotland, Wales) in recent memory. Forbes would have been a bright star in that particularly dim firmament. The SNP have missed an opportunity to have a very different image, with a broader centrist policy

So while, I think and hope, the public have settled on a Labour led coalition/cobbling together/supply in 2024 there is no sense of excitement about either the leading actors or the potential policies.

BTW in the rural north of England/Scottish borders there are quite a few people who think she is marvellous and speaks for their values but that her first concern should be to look after the baby rather than running a country. (Cue howls of derision from urbanites).

It wouldn't be a broader centrist policy. Every Indy kid who voted SNP would go straight into the arms of the Greens or Labour. The youth vote for a government with hangups about gay marriage is just not there. And that's a fair share of the SNP vote.

Emerald

The great Humza Yousaf

After having an affair Yousef blamed his wife for not being a good enough Muslim. When there was no place at a nursery for his daughter, he arranged a sting operation that attempted to prove that the nursery was racist. "What sort of person does this?"

https://twitter.com/HousewifePolish/status/1641034656165289987?s=20

Carnyx

EPG said:

algarkirk said:

fitalass said:

Ouch!
Iain Macwhirter in The Spectator - Is Humza Yousaf destined for Liz Truss’s fate?
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/is-humza-yousaf-destined-for-liz-trusss-fate/

"As Kate Forbes settles down next to Nicola Sturgeon on the Holyrood backbenches today she has cause to be well satisfied. From a standing start she won nearly half the SNP votes even though the party machine and the payroll vote of ministers and elected members were ranged against her. Her honesty and clarity of thought shone through the hustings fog. She can now sit back and enjoy the show as Humza Yousaf does his best to emulate Liz Truss. Forbes is now the leader in waiting."

Interesting. It seems to me that we have the dullest set of party leaders (UK, Scotland, Wales) in recent memory. Forbes would have been a bright star in that particularly dim firmament. The SNP have missed an opportunity to have a very different image, with a broader centrist policy

So while, I think and hope, the public have settled on a Labour led coalition/cobbling together/supply in 2024 there is no sense of excitement about either the leading actors or the potential policies.

BTW in the rural north of England/Scottish borders there are quite a few people who think she is marvellous and speaks for their values but that her first concern should be to look after the baby rather than running a country. (Cue howls of derision from urbanites).

It wouldn't be a broader centrist policy. Every Indy kid who voted SNP would go straight into the arms of the Greens or Labour. The youth vote for a government with hangups about gay marriage is just not there. And that's a fair share of the SNP vote.

Greens, not Labour: not under SKS.

Driver

Roger said:

ThomasNashe said:

Roger said:

A bit of a cheap shot getting rid of Corbyn. It's not a Clause 4 moment and kicking a septuagenarian when he's down isn't cool

Corbyn enabled both Johnson and Brexit. He absolutely deserves whatever’s coming too him.

I agree with your first sentence and for enabling Johnson and Brexit he should burn in hellfire but this is about Starmer. For a new and compassionate Labour leader this looks vindictive

If it's about Sir Keir we need to acknowledge that he enabled Boris at least as much as Corbyn did.

Andy_JS

Nothing seems to change in Islington North, because when Corbyn was first elected in 1983 he was standing against two other sitting MPs who both used to be Labour until a couple of years earlier.

ThomasNashe

Barnesian said:

ThomasNashe said:

Barnesian said:

I think Corbyn will stand again because it's his life and he's dogged.

I think he'll win because he's a good constituency MP and his electors are also dogged.

What odds can I get on him winning his seat?

We don’t know if he’ll stand yet. fwiw, while he’s undoubtedly popular in Islington North, I think a lot of those who do like him personally will still see the bigger picture which decrees his expulsion to have been necessary. And in the end they’ll vote for the official Labour candidate.

We disagree on that. I've put £50 up on smarkets at 2/1 that he'll stand and win if you are interested.

I rarely bet, actually, and when I do it’s generally at long odds where I see more of a possibility than the oddsmakers. But thanks anyway.

HYUFD

Carnyx said:

HYUFD said:

Carnyx said:

HYUFD said:

Theuniondivvie said:

Lovely that these lads have been rendered speechless* by this multicultural moment.

*if fucking only.

'Confused says:
27 March, 2023 at 2:57 pm
and the cops say : nothing to see here, move along …

I mean, it could work out. I, for one, salute our new islamic overlord, FM is too paltry a title, make him Caliph

now all he has to do is :

declare the UNION to be absolutely HARAM

make the ENGLISH all KUFFARS

and make the YES Movement a NATIONAL JIHAD

and … we’re fucking done.

If it had to be a muslim, I would have preferred IMRAN KHAN – he has been trying to clean up Pakistan, rid it of the globalist scum and spooks, but it’s clear he is going to get shot, maybe very soon; at least our cricket team would improve.

– you have to go with the flow.'
https://wingsoverscotland.com/the-hollow-crown/

That's not by a Scot*. There is one very big clue there, but you are obviously unwilling to spot it.

*Or at leastd someone who primarily identifies as one.

You should have a look at the tweet itself. Lots of UJ types like you there.

Of course it is from a Scot, it is from a website that is Scottish Independence central

Anyone can post there. I mean, they let you post on here. And you are always going on about declaring the SNP traitors and so on.

Just read it again.

"our cricket team".

Where did you ever see a Scot complaining about his national cricket team?

https://www.skysports.com/cricket/news/12123/12726169/t20-world-cup-scotland-knocked-out-after-defeat-to-zimbabwe

Emerald

Foxy said:

HYUFD said:

Theuniondivvie said:

Lovely that these lads have been rendered speechless* by this multicultural moment.

*if fucking only.

'Confused says:
27 March, 2023 at 2:57 pm
and the cops say : nothing to see here, move along …

I mean, it could work out. I, for one, salute our new islamic overlord, FM is too paltry a title, make him Caliph

now all he has to do is :

declare the UNION to be absolutely HARAM

make the ENGLISH all KUFFARS

and make the YES Movement a NATIONAL JIHAD

and … we’re fucking done.

If it had to be a muslim, I would have preferred IMRAN KHAN – he has been trying to clean up Pakistan, rid it of the globalist scum and spooks, but it’s clear he is going to get shot, maybe very soon; at least our cricket team would improve.

– you have to go with the flow.'
https://wingsoverscotland.com/the-hollow-crown/

There are still a lot of racists in our countries. Perhaps only a few percent, but could be the difference for Sunak too.

Because of political correctness difficult to tell how many racists there are. But I would estimate about 10% of the electorate with a further 20-30% uncomfortable with forced diversity without necessarily being racist. The sort of people who may mention in passing "Im a bit uncomfortable with all the heads of Govt of ethnic origin at present".

Andy_JS

TheScreamingEagles said:

A “gambling berserk” millionaire who lost more than £100,000 in a betting spree is suing a “luxury” bookmaker for allegedly failing to protect him from his addiction.

Scott O’Brien earned a fortune through a recycling business, but told a judge that he had been obsessed with “dark and destructive” gambling throughout adulthood.

He claimed that the addiction had once driven him to attempt suicide, in a legal claim that comes just days after regulators hit the UK’s biggest bookmaker with a record fine. The Gambling Commission ordered William Hill to pay £19.2 million because of a series of “widespread and alarming” failures to protect customers from substantial losses.

In O’Brien’s case, the former businessman has told a court that his gambling habit worsened after he sold his Essex-based paper recycling business, Pulp Friction, for £9 million in 2012. At one point he stashed £1 million in cash at the bottom of his wardrobe.

He is suing Star Sports after wagering more than £400,000 at the company’s main betting shop in Mayfair, west London.

The businessman, 54, told the hearing that he lost £48,859 on dog and horse racing, and that gambling on betting terminals took his losses to more than £100,000.

In a claim to have his money returned, the gambler’s lawyers say the company breached its duty to act in accordance with its “social responsibility code provisions”. They have told the court that some of O’Brien’s losses “were due to Star Sports’ failure to comply with the [code] applicable to its operating licence”.

O’Brien is also suing the bookmakers for breach of contract.

Star Sports is contesting the claim, with the company’s lawyers denying that the wealthy punter revealed that he had a problem. They insisted that “there is no general duty of care on a bookmaker to protect a gambling addict from the consequences of his addiction”.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/destructive-gambler-sues-star-sports-bookmaker-over-100-000-loss-tf552chnr

If he'd won most of his bets, would he have given the money back, or kept it for himself?

Carnyx

HYUFD said:

Carnyx said:

HYUFD said:

Carnyx said:

HYUFD said:

Theuniondivvie said:

Lovely that these lads have been rendered speechless* by this multicultural moment.

*if fucking only.

'Confused says:
27 March, 2023 at 2:57 pm
and the cops say : nothing to see here, move along …

I mean, it could work out. I, for one, salute our new islamic overlord, FM is too paltry a title, make him Caliph

now all he has to do is :

declare the UNION to be absolutely HARAM

make the ENGLISH all KUFFARS

and make the YES Movement a NATIONAL JIHAD

and … we’re fucking done.

If it had to be a muslim, I would have preferred IMRAN KHAN – he has been trying to clean up Pakistan, rid it of the globalist scum and spooks, but it’s clear he is going to get shot, maybe very soon; at least our cricket team would improve.

– you have to go with the flow.'
https://wingsoverscotland.com/the-hollow-crown/

That's not by a Scot*. There is one very big clue there, but you are obviously unwilling to spot it.

*Or at leastd someone who primarily identifies as one.

You should have a look at the tweet itself. Lots of UJ types like you there.

Of course it is from a Scot, it is from a website that is Scottish Independence central

Anyone can post there. I mean, they let you post on here. And you are always going on about declaring the SNP traitors and so on.

Just read it again.

"our cricket team".

Where did you ever see a Scot complaining about his national cricket team?

https://www.skysports.com/cricket/news/12123/12726169/t20-world-cup-scotland-knocked-out-after-defeat-to-zimbabwe

You only know about it because you looked it up on google! I've never heard anyone even mention it in real life. Let alone take it seriously enpugh to make a comment remotely like that.

SandyRentool

Good evening all. After TPE surprisingly provided a train running on time to get me to Manchester this morning, they are back on form this evening with the train sitting in Man Vic for half an hour waiting for a crew member to turn up. Plan B (Northern) getting me out of a hole once again.

Meanwhile, today I started "mentoring" two of my young, female colleagues. What could possibly go wrong?

SandyRentool

Foxy said:

HYUFD said:

Theuniondivvie said:

Lovely that these lads have been rendered speechless* by this multicultural moment.

*if fucking only.

'Confused says:
27 March, 2023 at 2:57 pm
and the cops say : nothing to see here, move along …

I mean, it could work out. I, for one, salute our new islamic overlord, FM is too paltry a title, make him Caliph

now all he has to do is :

declare the UNION to be absolutely HARAM

make the ENGLISH all KUFFARS

and make the YES Movement a NATIONAL JIHAD

and … we’re fucking done.

If it had to be a muslim, I would have preferred IMRAN KHAN – he has been trying to clean up Pakistan, rid it of the globalist scum and spooks, but it’s clear he is going to get shot, maybe very soon; at least our cricket team would improve.

– you have to go with the flow.'
https://wingsoverscotland.com/the-hollow-crown/

There are still a lot of racists in our countries. Perhaps only a few percent, but could be the difference for Sunak too.

There was a clear movement from Conservative to ReFuk when Sunak took over.

tlg86

Blimey…

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-tayside-central-65086107

One of Scotland's main police control rooms used a fake system to manipulate response time targets for eight years, according to documents seen by the BBC.

HYUFD

Emerald said:

Foxy said:

HYUFD said:

Theuniondivvie said:

Lovely that these lads have been rendered speechless* by this multicultural moment.

*if fucking only.

'Confused says:
27 March, 2023 at 2:57 pm
and the cops say : nothing to see here, move along …

I mean, it could work out. I, for one, salute our new islamic overlord, FM is too paltry a title, make him Caliph

now all he has to do is :

declare the UNION to be absolutely HARAM

make the ENGLISH all KUFFARS

and make the YES Movement a NATIONAL JIHAD

and … we’re fucking done.

If it had to be a muslim, I would have preferred IMRAN KHAN – he has been trying to clean up Pakistan, rid it of the globalist scum and spooks, but it’s clear he is going to get shot, maybe very soon; at least our cricket team would improve.

– you have to go with the flow.'
https://wingsoverscotland.com/the-hollow-crown/

There are still a lot of racists in our countries. Perhaps only a few percent, but could be the difference for Sunak too.

Because of political correctness difficult to tell how many racists there are. But I would estimate about 10% of the electorate with a further 20-30% uncomfortable with forced diversity without necessarily being racist. The sort of people who may mention in passing "Im a bit uncomfortable with all the heads of Govt of ethnic origin at present".

23% across the UK and 22% of Scots (albeit only 20% of Londoners) did not see the attack on Finsbury Park mosque as terrorism

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/travel/survey-results/daily/2017/06/19/6bfe0/2

Foxy

SandyRentool said:

Foxy said:

HYUFD said:

Theuniondivvie said:

Lovely that these lads have been rendered speechless* by this multicultural moment.

*if fucking only.

'Confused says:
27 March, 2023 at 2:57 pm
and the cops say : nothing to see here, move along …

I mean, it could work out. I, for one, salute our new islamic overlord, FM is too paltry a title, make him Caliph

now all he has to do is :

declare the UNION to be absolutely HARAM

make the ENGLISH all KUFFARS

and make the YES Movement a NATIONAL JIHAD

and … we’re fucking done.

If it had to be a muslim, I would have preferred IMRAN KHAN – he has been trying to clean up Pakistan, rid it of the globalist scum and spooks, but it’s clear he is going to get shot, maybe very soon; at least our cricket team would improve.

– you have to go with the flow.'
https://wingsoverscotland.com/the-hollow-crown/

There are still a lot of racists in our countries. Perhaps only a few percent, but could be the difference for Sunak too.

There was a clear movement from Conservative to ReFuk when Sunak took over.

Yes, I noticed that too.

Luckyguy1983

MattW said:

I'm slightly interested in why Mr Starmer is leaving the other nutters alone.

Because he needs a shadow cabinet?

Stuartinromford

SandyRentool said:

Foxy said:

HYUFD said:

Theuniondivvie said:

Lovely that these lads have been rendered speechless* by this multicultural moment.

*if fucking only.

'Confused says:
27 March, 2023 at 2:57 pm
and the cops say : nothing to see here, move along …

I mean, it could work out. I, for one, salute our new islamic overlord, FM is too paltry a title, make him Caliph

now all he has to do is :

declare the UNION to be absolutely HARAM

make the ENGLISH all KUFFARS

and make the YES Movement a NATIONAL JIHAD

and … we’re fucking done.

If it had to be a muslim, I would have preferred IMRAN KHAN – he has been trying to clean up Pakistan, rid it of the globalist scum and spooks, but it’s clear he is going to get shot, maybe very soon; at least our cricket team would improve.

– you have to go with the flow.'
https://wingsoverscotland.com/the-hollow-crown/

There are still a lot of racists in our countries. Perhaps only a few percent, but could be the difference for Sunak too.

There was a clear movement from Conservative to ReFuk when Sunak took over.

It's possible that it was growth-minded libertarians distraught at the release of the Truss... oh who am I kidding?

Peter_the_Punter

tlg86 said:

Blimey…

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-tayside-central-65086107

One of Scotland's main police control rooms used a fake system to manipulate response time targets for eight years, according to documents seen by the BBC.

Yes, yet another example of the need for a root and branch overhaul of the Police.

HYUFD

Stuartinromford said:

SandyRentool said:

Foxy said:

HYUFD said:

Theuniondivvie said:

Lovely that these lads have been rendered speechless* by this multicultural moment.

*if fucking only.

'Confused says:
27 March, 2023 at 2:57 pm
and the cops say : nothing to see here, move along …

I mean, it could work out. I, for one, salute our new islamic overlord, FM is too paltry a title, make him Caliph

now all he has to do is :

declare the UNION to be absolutely HARAM

make the ENGLISH all KUFFARS

and make the YES Movement a NATIONAL JIHAD

and … we’re fucking done.

If it had to be a muslim, I would have preferred IMRAN KHAN – he has been trying to clean up Pakistan, rid it of the globalist scum and spooks, but it’s clear he is going to get shot, maybe very soon; at least our cricket team would improve.

– you have to go with the flow.'
https://wingsoverscotland.com/the-hollow-crown/

There are still a lot of racists in our countries. Perhaps only a few percent, but could be the difference for Sunak too.

There was a clear movement from Conservative to ReFuk when Sunak took over.

It's possible that it was growth-minded libertarians distraught at the release of the Truss... oh who am I kidding?

I have noticed locally the most hardened Brexiteers who joined the party under Boris have now gone RefUK, albeit we have a few more British Indian activists

Luckyguy1983

Stuartinromford said:

SandyRentool said:

Foxy said:

HYUFD said:

Theuniondivvie said:

Lovely that these lads have been rendered speechless* by this multicultural moment.

*if fucking only.

'Confused says:
27 March, 2023 at 2:57 pm
and the cops say : nothing to see here, move along …

I mean, it could work out. I, for one, salute our new islamic overlord, FM is too paltry a title, make him Caliph

now all he has to do is :

declare the UNION to be absolutely HARAM

make the ENGLISH all KUFFARS

and make the YES Movement a NATIONAL JIHAD

and … we’re fucking done.

If it had to be a muslim, I would have preferred IMRAN KHAN – he has been trying to clean up Pakistan, rid it of the globalist scum and spooks, but it’s clear he is going to get shot, maybe very soon; at least our cricket team would improve.

– you have to go with the flow.'
https://wingsoverscotland.com/the-hollow-crown/

There are still a lot of racists in our countries. Perhaps only a few percent, but could be the difference for Sunak too.

There was a clear movement from Conservative to ReFuk when Sunak took over.

It's possible that it was growth-minded libertarians distraught at the release of the Truss... oh who am I kidding?

Nice smear - conveniently forgets that the right of the party wanted Badenoch.

SandyRentool

HYUFD said:

Stuartinromford said:

SandyRentool said:

Foxy said:

HYUFD said:

Theuniondivvie said:

Lovely that these lads have been rendered speechless* by this multicultural moment.

*if fucking only.

'Confused says:
27 March, 2023 at 2:57 pm
and the cops say : nothing to see here, move along …

I mean, it could work out. I, for one, salute our new islamic overlord, FM is too paltry a title, make him Caliph

now all he has to do is :

declare the UNION to be absolutely HARAM

make the ENGLISH all KUFFARS

and make the YES Movement a NATIONAL JIHAD

and … we’re fucking done.

If it had to be a muslim, I would have preferred IMRAN KHAN – he has been trying to clean up Pakistan, rid it of the globalist scum and spooks, but it’s clear he is going to get shot, maybe very soon; at least our cricket team would improve.

– you have to go with the flow.'
https://wingsoverscotland.com/the-hollow-crown/

There are still a lot of racists in our countries. Perhaps only a few percent, but could be the difference for Sunak too.

There was a clear movement from Conservative to ReFuk when Sunak took over.

It's possible that it was growth-minded libertarians distraught at the release of the Truss... oh who am I kidding?

I have noticed locally the most hardened Brexiteers who joined the party under Boris have now gone RefUK, albeit we have a few more British Indian activists

Watch out for BJP entryists!

Foxy

HYUFD said:

Stuartinromford said:

SandyRentool said:

Foxy said:

HYUFD said:

Theuniondivvie said:

Lovely that these lads have been rendered speechless* by this multicultural moment.

*if fucking only.

'Confused says:
27 March, 2023 at 2:57 pm
and the cops say : nothing to see here, move along …

I mean, it could work out. I, for one, salute our new islamic overlord, FM is too paltry a title, make him Caliph

now all he has to do is :

declare the UNION to be absolutely HARAM

make the ENGLISH all KUFFARS

and make the YES Movement a NATIONAL JIHAD

and … we’re fucking done.

If it had to be a muslim, I would have preferred IMRAN KHAN – he has been trying to clean up Pakistan, rid it of the globalist scum and spooks, but it’s clear he is going to get shot, maybe very soon; at least our cricket team would improve.

– you have to go with the flow.'
https://wingsoverscotland.com/the-hollow-crown/

There are still a lot of racists in our countries. Perhaps only a few percent, but could be the difference for Sunak too.

There was a clear movement from Conservative to ReFuk when Sunak took over.

It's possible that it was growth-minded libertarians distraught at the release of the Truss... oh who am I kidding?

I have noticed locally the most hardened Brexiteers who joined the party under Boris have now gone RefUK, albeit we have a few more British Indian activists

Yes, it works both ways, there are some British Indians switching to Con for the same reason.

Carnyx

HYUFD said:

Emerald said:

Foxy said:

HYUFD said:

Theuniondivvie said:

Lovely that these lads have been rendered speechless* by this multicultural moment.

*if fucking only.

'Confused says:
27 March, 2023 at 2:57 pm
and the cops say : nothing to see here, move along …

I mean, it could work out. I, for one, salute our new islamic overlord, FM is too paltry a title, make him Caliph

now all he has to do is :

declare the UNION to be absolutely HARAM

make the ENGLISH all KUFFARS

and make the YES Movement a NATIONAL JIHAD

and … we’re fucking done.

If it had to be a muslim, I would have preferred IMRAN KHAN – he has been trying to clean up Pakistan, rid it of the globalist scum and spooks, but it’s clear he is going to get shot, maybe very soon; at least our cricket team would improve.

– you have to go with the flow.'
https://wingsoverscotland.com/the-hollow-crown/

There are still a lot of racists in our countries. Perhaps only a few percent, but could be the difference for Sunak too.

Because of political correctness difficult to tell how many racists there are. But I would estimate about 10% of the electorate with a further 20-30% uncomfortable with forced diversity without necessarily being racist. The sort of people who may mention in passing "Im a bit uncomfortable with all the heads of Govt of ethnic origin at present".

23% across the UK and 22% of Scots (albeit only 20% of Londoners) did not see the attack on Finsbury Park mosque as terrorism

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/travel/survey-results/daily/2017/06/19/6bfe0/2

The trouble with that sujrvey question is that the media have spent so long explaining away lone white wolves as nutters, one offs, i.e. mental illness. (Which it may well be, in part, anyway, whatever else it is and whomsoever it is that they attack.)

Edit: in media discourse "terrorists" are organised groups.

Fishing

Emerald said:

Foxy said:

HYUFD said:

Theuniondivvie said:

Lovely that these lads have been rendered speechless* by this multicultural moment.

*if fucking only.

'Confused says:
27 March, 2023 at 2:57 pm
and the cops say : nothing to see here, move along …

I mean, it could work out. I, for one, salute our new islamic overlord, FM is too paltry a title, make him Caliph

now all he has to do is :

declare the UNION to be absolutely HARAM

make the ENGLISH all KUFFARS

and make the YES Movement a NATIONAL JIHAD

and … we’re fucking done.

If it had to be a muslim, I would have preferred IMRAN KHAN – he has been trying to clean up Pakistan, rid it of the globalist scum and spooks, but it’s clear he is going to get shot, maybe very soon; at least our cricket team would improve.

– you have to go with the flow.'
https://wingsoverscotland.com/the-hollow-crown/

There are still a lot of racists in our countries. Perhaps only a few percent, but could be the difference for Sunak too.

Because of political correctness difficult to tell how many racists there are.

I don't think that's the main problem. It's an incredibly vague term, as well as a term of abuse, and reasonable people can have widely different ideas about what it means in practice. For example, is the statement "violent criminals in this country are disproportionately black" racist or not? When white people face discrimination because of the colour of their skin, is that racist? Are job quotas favouring minority ethnicities racist? What is "institutional racism" and does it exist without explicit discriminatory rules, or is racism just a personal issue? All these questions I've seen argued from both sides.

Andy_JS

Emerald said:

Foxy said:

HYUFD said:

Theuniondivvie said:

Lovely that these lads have been rendered speechless* by this multicultural moment.

*if fucking only.

'Confused says:
27 March, 2023 at 2:57 pm
and the cops say : nothing to see here, move along …

I mean, it could work out. I, for one, salute our new islamic overlord, FM is too paltry a title, make him Caliph

now all he has to do is :

declare the UNION to be absolutely HARAM

make the ENGLISH all KUFFARS

and make the YES Movement a NATIONAL JIHAD

and … we’re fucking done.

If it had to be a muslim, I would have preferred IMRAN KHAN – he has been trying to clean up Pakistan, rid it of the globalist scum and spooks, but it’s clear he is going to get shot, maybe very soon; at least our cricket team would improve.

– you have to go with the flow.'
https://wingsoverscotland.com/the-hollow-crown/

There are still a lot of racists in our countries. Perhaps only a few percent, but could be the difference for Sunak too.

Because of political correctness difficult to tell how many racists there are. But I would estimate about 10% of the electorate with a further 20-30% uncomfortable with forced diversity without necessarily being racist. The sort of people who may mention in passing "Im a bit uncomfortable with all the heads of Govt of ethnic origin at present".

There are probably fewer racists in the UK than any other country in the world (using percentages).

Foxy

Andy_JS said:

Emerald said:

Foxy said:

HYUFD said:

Theuniondivvie said:

Lovely that these lads have been rendered speechless* by this multicultural moment.

*if fucking only.

'Confused says:
27 March, 2023 at 2:57 pm
and the cops say : nothing to see here, move along …

I mean, it could work out. I, for one, salute our new islamic overlord, FM is too paltry a title, make him Caliph

now all he has to do is :

declare the UNION to be absolutely HARAM

make the ENGLISH all KUFFARS

and make the YES Movement a NATIONAL JIHAD

and … we’re fucking done.

If it had to be a muslim, I would have preferred IMRAN KHAN – he has been trying to clean up Pakistan, rid it of the globalist scum and spooks, but it’s clear he is going to get shot, maybe very soon; at least our cricket team would improve.

– you have to go with the flow.'
https://wingsoverscotland.com/the-hollow-crown/

There are still a lot of racists in our countries. Perhaps only a few percent, but could be the difference for Sunak too.

Because of political correctness difficult to tell how many racists there are. But I would estimate about 10% of the electorate with a further 20-30% uncomfortable with forced diversity without necessarily being racist. The sort of people who may mention in passing "Im a bit uncomfortable with all the heads of Govt of ethnic origin at present".

There are probably fewer racists in the UK than any other country in the world (using percentages).

I don't know about "any country in the world" but it is a number greater than zero.

How it balances with British Indians switching the other way for similar reasons is a guess.

Fishing

ThomasNashe said:

Roger said:

A bit of a cheap shot getting rid of Corbyn. It's not a Clause 4 moment and kicking a septuagenarian when he's down isn't cool

Corbyn enabled both Johnson and Brexit. He absolutely deserves whatever’s coming too him.

He had help in enabing Brexit, mostly from his Shadow Brexit Secretary, and self-proclaimed friend, whose name escapes me for the moment.

What was his name again?

vino

I thought 51.89% of the voters were racist according to the Remainers on here

Theuniondivvie

vino said:

I thought 51.89% of the voters were racist according to the Remainers on here

Which ‘Remainer’ said that?
I believe 99% of racists voted leave is the usual view.

Andy_JS

"Elon Musk and experts say AI development should be paused immediately

The letter, signed by more than 1,000 people, warned of potential risks to society and civilisation by human-competitive AI systems in the form of economic and political disruptions."

https://news.sky.com/story/elon-musk-and-others-sign-open-letter-calling-for-pause-on-ai-development-12845039

Foxy

Theuniondivvie said:

vino said:

I thought 51.89% of the voters were racist according to the Remainers on here

Which ‘Remainer’ said that?
I believe 99% of racists voted leave is the usual view.

I wouldn't think as high as that. While only a minority of Leave voters were racist, I suspect that Leave won most of the racist vote.

vino

Theuniondivvie said:

vino said:

I thought 51.89% of the voters were racist according to the Remainers on here

Which ‘Remainer’ said that?
I believe 99% of racists voted leave is the usual view.

that's a fair point

IanB2

HYUFD said:

Not impossible Corbyn could win, Dave Nellist nearly won his old seat of Coventry South East in 1992 when Kinnock
expelled him from Labour for his Militant links and Corbyn is a longer serving MP for Islington North and better known as a former party leader than he was

My Labour leaning friend who lives in the seat doesn’t think he will win, if he stands. Yes, he’s a hard working local MP, but the core middle class support in his seat are well aware of the wider picture and she reckons they will conclude his time is up.

DecrepiterJohnL

RobD said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

A “gambling berserk” millionaire who lost more than £100,000 in a betting spree is suing a “luxury” bookmaker for allegedly failing to protect him from his addiction.

Scott O’Brien earned a fortune through a recycling business, but told a judge that he had been obsessed with “dark and destructive” gambling throughout adulthood.

He claimed that the addiction had once driven him to attempt suicide, in a legal claim that comes just days after regulators hit the UK’s biggest bookmaker with a record fine. The Gambling Commission ordered William Hill to pay £19.2 million because of a series of “widespread and alarming” failures to protect customers from substantial losses.

In O’Brien’s case, the former businessman has told a court that his gambling habit worsened after he sold his Essex-based paper recycling business, Pulp Friction, for £9 million in 2012. At one point he stashed £1 million in cash at the bottom of his wardrobe.

He is suing Star Sports after wagering more than £400,000 at the company’s main betting shop in Mayfair, west London.

The businessman, 54, told the hearing that he lost £48,859 on dog and horse racing, and that gambling on betting terminals took his losses to more than £100,000.

In a claim to have his money returned, the gambler’s lawyers say the company breached its duty to act in accordance with its “social responsibility code provisions”. They have told the court that some of O’Brien’s losses “were due to Star Sports’ failure to comply with the [code] applicable to its operating licence”.

O’Brien is also suing the bookmakers for breach of contract.

Star Sports is contesting the claim, with the company’s lawyers denying that the wealthy punter revealed that he had a problem. They insisted that “there is no general duty of care on a bookmaker to protect a gambling addict from the consequences of his addiction”.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/destructive-gambler-sues-star-sports-bookmaker-over-100-000-loss-tf552chnr

He has £10mn and is suing a bookmaker for £100k because he couldn't control himself? What size violin should we be using for this sob story?

Serendipity means this week's Star Sports (as in the story) Betting People interview is with a solicitor who specialises in gambling cases. You can skip part 1, and part 4 won't be up till tomorrow morning.
https://www.starsportsbet.co.uk/bettingpeople-harry-stewart-moore/

Fairliered

RochdalePioneers said:

I do hope that Jezbollah does run again for election. As MP, as Mayor, whatever. Because doing so will flush out all of the cranks. Who will make a virtue of finger jabbing, of dodgy arithmetic regarding the 2017 general election, and of how anti-semitism was just made up and anyway how will YOU apologise for Israel?

Please let him run one last time. We need the entertainment.

RochdalePioneers said:

I do hope that Jezbollah does run again for election. As MP, as Mayor, whatever. Because doing so will flush out all of the cranks. Who will make a virtue of finger jabbing, of dodgy arithmetic regarding the 2017 general election, and of how anti-semitism was just made up and anyway how will YOU apologise for Israel?

Please let him run one last time. We need the entertainment.

I wonder whether he would join the Greens, and, if so, whether he would win?

solarflare

Andy_JS said:

"Elon Musk and experts say AI development should be paused immediately

The letter, signed by more than 1,000 people, warned of potential risks to society and civilisation by human-competitive AI systems in the form of economic and political disruptions."

https://news.sky.com/story/elon-musk-and-others-sign-open-letter-calling-for-pause-on-ai-development-12845039

If 1,000 people sign a letter saying that shit social media websites have plenty of potential risks to society in the form of political disruptions, and their usage and development should be paused is he going to pay any sort of attention?

Foxy

Andy_JS said:

"Elon Musk and experts say AI development should be paused immediately

The letter, signed by more than 1,000 people, warned of potential risks to society and civilisation by human-competitive AI systems in the form of economic and political disruptions."

https://news.sky.com/story/elon-musk-and-others-sign-open-letter-calling-for-pause-on-ai-development-12845039

The genie is out of the bottle.

I for one welcome the rule of our robot overlords.

DecrepiterJohnL

Peter_the_Punter said:

tlg86 said:

Blimey…

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-tayside-central-65086107

One of Scotland's main police control rooms used a fake system to manipulate response time targets for eight years, according to documents seen by the BBC.

Yes, yet another example of the need for a root and branch overhaul of the Police.

Did they not have that in Scotland? Certainly all their police forces were combined into Police Scotland.
https://www.scotland.police.uk/

(It is mildly interesting they have a .uk domain address rather than a .scot one but perhaps I have missed it.)