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If I could turn back time – politicalbetting.com

Were daylight savings time to be abolished, Western Europeans would generally prefer to remain on 'summer time' – except SwedesPrefer summer time?? 64%?? 61%?? 59%?? 59%?? 48% (net +11)?? 45% (net +12)Prefer winter time?? 51%https://t.co/L1FjlI8bac pic.twitter.com/0X1vZGGUpw

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Beibheirli_C

I did not even realise we had flipped to BST

ydoethur

Surely if we stay on BST year round we’re extending rather than abolishing daylight saving time?

Casino_Royale

Pb channels its inner Aqua.

tlg86

Casino_Royale said:

Pb channels its inner Aqua.

It’s a good song!

DecrepiterJohnL

Beibheirli_C said:

I did not even realise we had flipped to BST

In the old days, you would change the clocks the night before. Now, most clocks change themselves so you have to wait and see what looks wrong in the morning, or in my case, three or four days later.

TheScreamingEagles

Casino_Royale said:

Pb channels its inner Aqua.

Please.

Inner Cher.

https://youtu.be/9n3A_-HRFfc

Stuartinromford

DecrepiterJohnL said:

Beibheirli_C said:

I did not even realise we had flipped to BST

In the old days, you would change the clocks the night before. Now, most clocks change themselves so you have to wait and see what looks wrong in the morning, or in my case, three or four days later.

Or in some cases, what we just have to learn to ignore for the next seven months because goodness only knows how you adjust it.

DecrepiterJohnL

TSE's postscript shows the trouble with this polling: people answer the wrong question.
PS – I love Sweden, but my word, what kind of monster prefers the cold of winter over the warmth of summer?

felix

Stuartinromford said:

DecrepiterJohnL said:

Beibheirli_C said:

I did not even realise we had flipped to BST

In the old days, you would change the clocks the night before. Now, most clocks change themselves so you have to wait and see what looks wrong in the morning, or in my case, three or four days later.

Or in some cases, what we just have to learn to ignore for the next seven months because goodness only knows how you adjust it.

I do most except for the swimming pool as it's the type where it only moves one way and is so fiddly as to be pointless. The ove cam also be a bit of a bastard,!

geoffw

PS – I love Sweden, but my word, what kind of monster prefers the cold of winter over the warmth of summer?

No, they prefer lighter mornings over light evenings.

Fishing

Logical that Spain, which is on the wrong time zone anyway thanks to Franco, is the most enthusiastic about keeping summer time year round.

It would be interesting to see the regional breakdown of the UK polling, whether support for a change dwindles as you move north and west, as is often said.

There is another solution - limit winter time to the months with the very shortest days, say 1 Dec-31 Jan. There is no obvious reason why we need winter time in October or March, while mornings and evenings are still relatively light. But keeping it for those two months would avoid the issue that farmers or Scots complain about of it getting light at 9:30 a.m. in the shortest months if we abolished it.

Personally I favour moving to summer time year round, at least for the southern and eastern parts of the country.

ydoethur

Casino_Royale said:

Pb channels its inner Aqua.

water thing to say.

kamski

Fishing said:

Logical that Spain, which is on the wrong time zone anyway thanks to Franco, is the most enthusiastic about keeping summer time year round.

It would be interesting to see the regional breakdown of the UK polling, whether support for a change dwindles as you move north and west, as is often said.

There is another solution - limit winter time to the months with the very shortest days, say 1 Dec-31 Jan. There is no obvious reason why we need winter time in October or March, while mornings and evenings are still relatively light. But keeping it for those two months would avoid the issue that farmers or Scots complain about of it getting light at 9:30 a.m. in the shortest months if we abolished it.

Personally I favour moving to summer time year round, at least for the southern and eastern parts of the country.

Surely if Spain is in the wrong time zone changing to year round summer time would make it wronger?

Stuartinromford

Fishing said:

Logical that Spain, which is on the wrong time zone anyway thanks to Franco, is the most enthusiastic about keeping summer time year round.

It would be interesting to see the regional breakdown of the UK polling, whether support for a change dwindles as you move north and west, as is often said.

There is another solution - limit winter time to the months with the very shortest days, say 1 Dec-31 Jan. There is no obvious reason why we need winter time in October or March, while mornings and evenings are still relatively light. But keeping it for those two months would avoid the issue that farmers or Scots complain about of it getting light at 9:30 a.m. in the shortest months if we abolished it.

Personally I favour moving to summer time year round, at least for the southern and eastern parts of the country.

Standard dilemma. What's the right balance between having different rules, locally optimised in different places and having the same rules across a wide area, even if they're not perfect for you?

MarqueeMark

ydoethur said:

Casino_Royale said:

Pb channels its inner Aqua.

water thing to say.

For this early that's a bit barby, girlfriend....

IanB2

kamski said:

Fishing said:

Logical that Spain, which is on the wrong time zone anyway thanks to Franco, is the most enthusiastic about keeping summer time year round.

It would be interesting to see the regional breakdown of the UK polling, whether support for a change dwindles as you move north and west, as is often said.

There is another solution - limit winter time to the months with the very shortest days, say 1 Dec-31 Jan. There is no obvious reason why we need winter time in October or March, while mornings and evenings are still relatively light. But keeping it for those two months would avoid the issue that farmers or Scots complain about of it getting light at 9:30 a.m. in the shortest months if we abolished it.

Personally I favour moving to summer time year round, at least for the southern and eastern parts of the country.

Surely if Spain is in the wrong time zone changing to year round summer time would make it wronger?

I was thinking the same. The adjustment is more appropriate the further east in the European time zone you are, because your time by the sun is part of an hour later anyway.

Darkness when you go to school or work is depressing and presumably adds to risk of morning accidents, hence there is logic in having some sort of winter time the further north you go.

As sunrise time gets earlier rapidly through March, the dog’s been waking up earlier anyway, so having March on summer time would make sense - especially given the assymetry that late October, when we lose summer time, aligns with late February in terms of the amount of daylight.

kamski

kamski said:

Fishing said:

Logical that Spain, which is on the wrong time zone anyway thanks to Franco, is the most enthusiastic about keeping summer time year round.

It would be interesting to see the regional breakdown of the UK polling, whether support for a change dwindles as you move north and west, as is often said.

There is another solution - limit winter time to the months with the very shortest days, say 1 Dec-31 Jan. There is no obvious reason why we need winter time in October or March, while mornings and evenings are still relatively light. But keeping it for those two months would avoid the issue that farmers or Scots complain about of it getting light at 9:30 a.m. in the shortest months if we abolished it.

Personally I favour moving to summer time year round, at least for the southern and eastern parts of the country.

Surely if Spain is in the wrong time zone changing to year round summer time would make it wronger?

Probably some differences can be explained by different timings of stuff in different countries. For example, in Germany school lessons usually start at 8.00, so perhaps less enthusiasm for trying to get children out of bed even earlier.

ydoethur

Stuartinromford said:

DecrepiterJohnL said:

Beibheirli_C said:

I did not even realise we had flipped to BST

In the old days, you would change the clocks the night before. Now, most clocks change themselves so you have to wait and see what looks wrong in the morning, or in my case, three or four days later.

Or in some cases, what we just have to learn to ignore for the next seven months because goodness only knows how you adjust it.

All my clocks reset automatically this morning.

Except my watch, which I had forgotten about.

MattW

Morning all.

The absurdity seems to me to be the imposition of a single time zone.

MarqueeMark

The Chatham Islands are 45 minutes ahead of New Zealand.

I was told that India was five and a half hours ahead of UK time because, if you turn your watch upside down, you can kinda tell the time back in Blighty.

ydoethur

MarqueeMark said:

ydoethur said:

Casino_Royale said:

Pb channels its inner Aqua.

water thing to say.

For this early that's a bit barby, girlfriend....

I Heard what you said.

kamski

MattW said:

Morning all.

The absurdity seems to me to be the imposition of a single time zone.

In China?

MarqueeMark

MattW said:

Morning all.

The absurdity seems to me to be the imposition of a single time zone.

Time used to be rather arbitrary, locally. Then came the railways, with their timetables, damn them!

Morris_Dancer

Good morning, everyone.

Time zones seem to be almost the only thing that better suits the north of the UK than the south.

Casino_Royale

MarqueeMark said:

ydoethur said:

Casino_Royale said:

Pb channels its inner Aqua.

water thing to say.

For this early that's a bit barby, girlfriend....

Dr Jones Dr Jones calling Doctor Jones

Wake up now.

OldKingCole

Good morning, everyone. That’s a greeting not a comment on the weather here!

In these days of the Internet, a friend of mine says, we are divided by time zones, not borders. He and I are involved in a small Internet organisation which runs discussions for seniors and we have members from all over the world.
Although I have to say that we don’t get many people tuning in from the Asia-Pacific region. It’s mainly Europe (including the UK) and East coast US and Canada.

ydoethur

MarqueeMark said:

MattW said:

Morning all.

The absurdity seems to me to be the imposition of a single time zone.

Time used to be rather arbitrary, locally. Then came the railways, with their timetables, damn them!

All forms of transport are dodgy when it comes to time.

Look at all these cars that get clocked.

Ah, my coat...

See you later.

Mexicanpete

TheScreamingEagles said:

Casino_Royale said:

Pb channels its inner Aqua.

Please.

Inner Cher.

https://youtu.be/9n3A_-HRFfc

Hah, so you've shot down all these Aqua punsters, Just like Jesse James.

CarlottaVance

I don’t wish to boast, but I had passionate sex for 1 hour and 14 seconds last night!

#DaylightSavings

https://twitter.com/StansaidAirport/status/1639874738020315137?s=20

Stuartinromford

MarqueeMark said:

MattW said:

Morning all.

The absurdity seems to me to be the imposition of a single time zone.

Time used to be rather arbitrary, locally. Then came the railways, with their timetables, damn them!

Railways used to run to timetables?

Mexicanpete

Stuartinromford said:

MarqueeMark said:

MattW said:

Morning all.

The absurdity seems to me to be the imposition of a single time zone.

Time used to be rather arbitrary, locally. Then came the railways, with their timetables, damn them!

Railways used to run to timetables?

Timetables are merely guidance, they are not rules, and "the guidance was followed at all times". Now where have I heard that before?

Mexicanpete

CarlottaVance said:

I don’t wish to boast, but I had passionate sex for 1 hour and 14 seconds last night!

#DaylightSavings

https://twitter.com/StansaidAirport/status/1639874738020315137?s=20

14 seconds? Someone's being spoiled!

SouthamObserver

Spain actually has two time zones - one for the mainland, one for the Canary Islands, which have the same as the UK. I think that the whole of the Iberian Peninsular used to be on our time, but Franco changed it. That’s why you now have to reset your watch when you cross the border into Portugal.

DavidL

If I could turn back time

Betting would be a lot easier.

MarqueeMark

DavidL said:

If I could turn back time

Betting would be a lot easier.

I've just given a promising chap called Bill Gates his first ten thousand dollars investment....

DavidL

Stuartinromford said:

MarqueeMark said:

MattW said:

Morning all.

The absurdity seems to me to be the imposition of a single time zone.

Time used to be rather arbitrary, locally. Then came the railways, with their timetables, damn them!

Railways used to run to timetables?

More of a guide really.

I remember when I was going to Groningen we had to switch trains and there was 4 minutes for the connection. I expressed concern to the ticket person that this might be a little tight but she explained that the platforms were exactly opposite each other. Her English was impeccable but she seemed really confused when I asked about the train being late. It wasn't, of course.

Mexicanpete

SouthamObserver said:

Spain actually has two time zones - one for the mainland, one for the Canary Islands, which have the same as the UK. I think that the whole of the Iberian Peninsular used to be on our time, but Franco changed it. That’s why you now have to reset your watch when you cross the border into Portugal.

"Synchronise your watches to Axis Power time". Arriving an hour late, or even early to invade a neighbouring nation would have been the height of rudeness!

BlancheLivermore

I told my folks I'd walk the dog this morning, as I usually do on days off

I normally take her out by half six, to beat the golfers, after a coffee

Today I woke up at seven, skipped the coffee, and rushed over there

I only just got reminded about the clock change by Mum on my return

The dog definitely thought I was half an hour late

Farooq

I prefer the crisp fresh bracing cold of winter over the stinking boiling itchy heat of summer.

Mexicanpete

DavidL said:

Stuartinromford said:

MarqueeMark said:

MattW said:

Morning all.

The absurdity seems to me to be the imposition of a single time zone.

Time used to be rather arbitrary, locally. Then came the railways, with their timetables, damn them!

Railways used to run to timetables?

More of a guide really.

I remember when I was going to Groningen we had to switch trains and there was 4 minutes for the connection. I expressed concern to the ticket person that this might be a little tight but she explained that the platforms were exactly opposite each other. Her English was impeccable but she seemed really confused when I asked about the train being late. It wasn't, of course.

A few seconds late in Japan of course, and the Guard stands at the door of the carriage, bows, apologises for the tardiness of the train, and bows again. On British railways we don't see the Guard until he or she grumpily hands out compensation claim forms when the train is a few hours late.

Farooq

The clocks should go forward every Friday night and then back again on Sunday night. You know I'm right.

Benpointer

Farooq said:

The clocks should go forward every Friday night and then back again on Sunday night. You know I'm right.

Put the clocks back 48 hours every Sunday night?

BlancheLivermore

Farooq said:

I prefer the crisp fresh bracing cold of winter over the stinking boiling itchy heat of summer.

Crazy extremist. What's wrong with spring?

Farooq

Benpointer said:

Farooq said:

The clocks should go forward every Friday night and then back again on Sunday night. You know I'm right.

Put the clocks back 48 hours every Sunday night?

You know, I think I like your plan even better

Tres

OldKingCole said:

Good morning, everyone. That’s a greeting not a comment on the weather here!

In these days of the Internet, a friend of mine says, we are divided by time zones, not borders. He and I are involved in a small Internet organisation which runs discussions for seniors and we have members from all over the world.
Although I have to say that we don’t get many people tuning in from the Asia-Pacific region. It’s mainly Europe (including the UK) and East coast US and Canada.

The last 2 weeks have been a bit strange due to this because the US clocks moved a fortnight ago.

BlancheLivermore

Putin has made me feel a bit Scottish

I'd quite like England to lose tonight

Farooq

BlancheLivermore said:

Putin has made me feel a bit Scottish

I'd quite like England to lose tonight

That also makes you Welsh, Irish, French, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, ...

Malmesbury

Mexicanpete said:

Stuartinromford said:

MarqueeMark said:

MattW said:

Morning all.

The absurdity seems to me to be the imposition of a single time zone.

Time used to be rather arbitrary, locally. Then came the railways, with their timetables, damn them!

Railways used to run to timetables?

Timetables are merely guidance, they are not rules, and "the guidance was followed at all times". Now where have I heard that before?

IIRC Brunel wrote a letter/instruction to the drivers of GWR about speeding. Apparently the Oxford-London run was frequently seeing trains arriving 15 minutes early. Out of an hour.

Apparently this was very inconvenient for the company and the passengers.

Fishing

Farooq said:

I prefer the crisp fresh bracing cold of winter over the stinking boiling itchy heat of summer.

If we had boiling heat in this country for more than a few days a year I might agree with you. But I've lived in the southern US, and that taught me to appreciate our own fairly mild, pleasant summers with their endless light evenings, abundant blackberries and everybody (except you apparently) in a much better mood.

(And I live in the warmest part of the country).

Malmesbury

Time zones as threat to peace. A row in Lebanon, with the government changing the Summer time date arbitrarily and half the country defying them….

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-65079574

Farooq

Fishing said:

Farooq said:

I prefer the crisp fresh bracing cold of winter over the stinking boiling itchy heat of summer.

If we had boiling heat in this country for more than a few days a year I might agree with you. But I've lived in the southern US, and that taught me to appreciate our own fairly mild, pleasant summers with their endless light evenings, abundant blackberries and everybody (except you apparently) in a much better mood.

(And I live in the warmest part of the country).

Aren't blackberries more of an autumn thing?

The hot days are getting more frequent, it seems. 30C is already too much. If you southerners start getting 40C you'll be flocking to our shores. We might need to go independent and send you off to Rwanda to teach you a lesson if it comes to that.

Mexicanpete

Malmesbury said:

Mexicanpete said:

Stuartinromford said:

MarqueeMark said:

MattW said:

Morning all.

The absurdity seems to me to be the imposition of a single time zone.

Time used to be rather arbitrary, locally. Then came the railways, with their timetables, damn them!

Railways used to run to timetables?

Timetables are merely guidance, they are not rules, and "the guidance was followed at all times". Now where have I heard that before?

IIRC Brunel wrote a letter/instruction to the drivers of GWR about speeding. Apparently the Oxford-London run was frequently seeing trains arriving 15 minutes early. Out of an hour.

Apparently this was very inconvenient for the company and the passengers.

Less inconvenient for the passengers than the Swansea to Paddington train arriving 59 minutes and 30 seconds late (or 30 seconds inside the current compensation threshold, whatever that is now).

prh47bridge

IanB2 said:

kamski said:

Fishing said:

Logical that Spain, which is on the wrong time zone anyway thanks to Franco, is the most enthusiastic about keeping summer time year round.

It would be interesting to see the regional breakdown of the UK polling, whether support for a change dwindles as you move north and west, as is often said.

There is another solution - limit winter time to the months with the very shortest days, say 1 Dec-31 Jan. There is no obvious reason why we need winter time in October or March, while mornings and evenings are still relatively light. But keeping it for those two months would avoid the issue that farmers or Scots complain about of it getting light at 9:30 a.m. in the shortest months if we abolished it.

Personally I favour moving to summer time year round, at least for the southern and eastern parts of the country.

Surely if Spain is in the wrong time zone changing to year round summer time would make it wronger?

I was thinking the same. The adjustment is more appropriate the further east in the European time zone you are, because your time by the sun is part of an hour later anyway.

Darkness when you go to school or work is depressing and presumably adds to risk of morning accidents, hence there is logic in having some sort of winter time the further north you go.

As sunrise time gets earlier rapidly through March, the dog’s been waking up earlier anyway, so having March on summer time would make sense - especially given the assymetry that late October, when we lose summer time, aligns with late February in terms of the amount of daylight.

I am old enough to remember when we had British Summer Time all year round for 3 years (1968-1971) as an experiment (it was referred to as British Standard Time during the experiment). Yes, morning accidents went up, but accidents later in the day went down by significantly more. However, as the time came for parliament to vote on whether to keep BST or revert to BST/GMT, those campaigning against BST highlighted every death of a child in a road accident in the morning as being caused by BST. Those in favour of BST pointed to the statistics which showed that, over the first two years of the experiment, roughly 2,500 fewer people died on the roads in the winter than in the preceding two years (1,250 a year - at the time there were nearly 11,000 deaths on the roads every year). Overall, the experiment saved children's lives as well as saving lives overall. Of course, the pro campaign couldn't produce pictures of children who had been saved by BST. Unsurprisingly, experts talking about statistics was less effective than pictures of children who had allegedly died due to BST, so parliament voted to return to BST/GMT.

DavidL

Fishing said:

Farooq said:

I prefer the crisp fresh bracing cold of winter over the stinking boiling itchy heat of summer.

If we had boiling heat in this country for more than a few days a year I might agree with you. But I've lived in the southern US, and that taught me to appreciate our own fairly mild, pleasant summers with their endless light evenings, abundant blackberries and everybody (except you apparently) in a much better mood.

(And I live in the warmest part of the country).

The bright, vivid colours of spring, the gloriously long evenings of summer, the incredible colours of autumn and the crisp frost of winter all have their charms. The one not really holding up its end in the last couple of decades is winter, they have been far too mild, but other than that I love our seasons. I really couldn't live somewhere where the climate hardly changes for most of the year.

Cookie

On thread, and in relation to the PS - I suspect a lot of people are answering the question that way - they just like summer better. I've heard people who sincerely believe an adminstrative decision gives them both lighter evenings AND ligher mornings, rather than this being due to the tilt of the earth and its rotation around the sun. If the question however was "how should we deal with the problem of British January" - I think the answer "8.30 sunrise and 3.50 sunset" - i.e. winter GMT - would probably get more support than "9.30 sunrise and 4.50 sunset" - which is what BST January would be like.
Personally, I think the status quo is exactly right. Sunshine at 4am would be a bit of a waste for most of us, so BST in the summer. But dark mornings are difficult and dangerous, so GMT in the winter.

Cookie

Farooq said:

I prefer the crisp fresh bracing cold of winter over the stinking boiling itchy heat of summer.

'Heat'? I thought you lived in Scotland?

DecrepiterJohnL

Tres said:

OldKingCole said:

Good morning, everyone. That’s a greeting not a comment on the weather here!

In these days of the Internet, a friend of mine says, we are divided by time zones, not borders. He and I are involved in a small Internet organisation which runs discussions for seniors and we have members from all over the world.
Although I have to say that we don’t get many people tuning in from the Asia-Pacific region. It’s mainly Europe (including the UK) and East coast US and Canada.

The last 2 weeks have been a bit strange due to this because the US clocks moved a fortnight ago.

The Americans make a complete hash of daylight savings time, even allowing for states and the odd small town doing their own thing. In Europe, we change at 1am GMT, so every country changes at the same moment. In America, they make the change at a moment specified in that timezone's local time, so the transition moves like a slow wave across the continent and you do not want to be working in the datacentre that night.

Fishing

Farooq said:

Fishing said:

Farooq said:

I prefer the crisp fresh bracing cold of winter over the stinking boiling itchy heat of summer.

If we had boiling heat in this country for more than a few days a year I might agree with you. But I've lived in the southern US, and that taught me to appreciate our own fairly mild, pleasant summers with their endless light evenings, abundant blackberries and everybody (except you apparently) in a much better mood.

(And I live in the warmest part of the country).

Aren't blackberries more of an autumn thing?

The hot days are getting more frequent, it seems. 30C is already too much. If you southerners start getting 40C you'll be flocking to our shores. We might need to go independent and send you off to Rwanda to teach you a lesson if it comes to that.

We did get that last year and I didn't mind it too much. Certainly it didn't make me desperate enough to move to Scotland, but then I've lived there for a year already - about the worst year of my life (not particularly because of Scotland but because of the work I did there).

Stuartinromford

Cookie said:

On thread, and in relation to the PS - I suspect a lot of people are answering the question that way - they just like summer better. I've heard people who sincerely believe an adminstrative decision gives them both lighter evenings AND ligher mornings, rather than this being due to the tilt of the earth and its rotation around the sun. If the question however was "how should we deal with the problem of British January" - I think the answer "8.30 sunrise and 3.50 sunset" - i.e. winter GMT - would probably get more support than "9.30 sunrise and 4.50 sunset" - which is what BST January would be like.
Personally, I think the status quo is exactly right. Sunshine at 4am would be a bit of a waste for most of us, so BST in the summer. But dark mornings are difficult and dangerous, so GMT in the winter.

Though as @prh47bridge points out, the overall effect of all-year BST was to create more benefits through lighter afternoons (school run is 3 - 4 pm) than darker mornings.

For most of us, the 9-5 working day is centred on 1 pm not noon, so arguably it makes sense to make that when we see the midday Sun.

DecrepiterJohnL

Farooq said:

Fishing said:

Farooq said:

I prefer the crisp fresh bracing cold of winter over the stinking boiling itchy heat of summer.

If we had boiling heat in this country for more than a few days a year I might agree with you. But I've lived in the southern US, and that taught me to appreciate our own fairly mild, pleasant summers with their endless light evenings, abundant blackberries and everybody (except you apparently) in a much better mood.

(And I live in the warmest part of the country).

Aren't blackberries more of an autumn thing?

The hot days are getting more frequent, it seems. 30C is already too much. If you southerners start getting 40C you'll be flocking to our shores. We might need to go independent and send you off to Rwanda to teach you a lesson if it comes to that.

It is 33 degrees C here and I am wondering whether to turn off the heating or buy a new thermometer.

edmundintokyo

On topic for Britain I feel like if you've managed to make your observatory the global reference point for time and everybody in the entire world including the United States, China, North Korea, Taliban and all the AIs sets their time by reference to it, you should lean into it and use UTC+0.

OnlyLivingBoy

Cookie said:

On thread, and in relation to the PS - I suspect a lot of people are answering the question that way - they just like summer better. I've heard people who sincerely believe an adminstrative decision gives them both lighter evenings AND ligher mornings, rather than this being due to the tilt of the earth and its rotation around the sun. If the question however was "how should we deal with the problem of British January" - I think the answer "8.30 sunrise and 3.50 sunset" - i.e. winter GMT - would probably get more support than "9.30 sunrise and 4.50 sunset" - which is what BST January would be like.
Personally, I think the status quo is exactly right. Sunshine at 4am would be a bit of a waste for most of us, so BST in the summer. But dark mornings are difficult and dangerous, so GMT in the winter.

Exactly right. The basic problem is that we live further north than, IIRC, about 1-2% of the world's population. It's going to be dark in the winter, folks, get used to it or move somewhere else. Anyone who finds themselves getting upset about the time change can be grateful they've not got anything more important to worry about.

OnlyLivingBoy

DecrepiterJohnL said:

Tres said:

OldKingCole said:

Good morning, everyone. That’s a greeting not a comment on the weather here!

In these days of the Internet, a friend of mine says, we are divided by time zones, not borders. He and I are involved in a small Internet organisation which runs discussions for seniors and we have members from all over the world.
Although I have to say that we don’t get many people tuning in from the Asia-Pacific region. It’s mainly Europe (including the UK) and East coast US and Canada.

The last 2 weeks have been a bit strange due to this because the US clocks moved a fortnight ago.

The Americans make a complete hash of daylight savings time, even allowing for states and the odd small town doing their own thing. In Europe, we change at 1am GMT, so every country changes at the same moment. In America, they make the change at a moment specified in that timezone's local time, so the transition moves like a slow wave across the continent and you do not want to be working in the datacentre that night.

Americans are big on localism and democracy, this being just one of the weird manifestations of that, and evidence that one can have too much of a good thing.

Stuartinromford

Farooq said:

Fishing said:

Farooq said:

I prefer the crisp fresh bracing cold of winter over the stinking boiling itchy heat of summer.

If we had boiling heat in this country for more than a few days a year I might agree with you. But I've lived in the southern US, and that taught me to appreciate our own fairly mild, pleasant summers with their endless light evenings, abundant blackberries and everybody (except you apparently) in a much better mood.

(And I live in the warmest part of the country).

Aren't blackberries more of an autumn thing?

The hot days are getting more frequent, it seems. 30C is already too much. If you southerners start getting 40C you'll be flocking to our shores. We might need to go independent and send you off to Rwanda to teach you a lesson if it comes to that.

I could really do with not having a repeat of July 2022, but it's only a matter of time, isn't it?

I wonder how easy it is to convert a suburban back garden into a Mediterranean courtyard with a fountain?

Mexicanpete

MarqueeMark said:

DavidL said:

If I could turn back time

Betting would be a lot easier.

I've just given a promising chap called Bill Gates his first ten thousand dollars investment....

In 2007 I was doing some consultancy work for a guy in Burford. He was selling his 1960 Bentley Continental Drophead with really nice provenance, it had previously belonged to Terry-Thomas and latterly Lawrence Harvey, he said "it's yours for £7,000". Do I look like a Bentley kind of a guy? I saw it advertised in Motor Sport magazine some months later for £8.5k at a dealers in the New Forest. Last year an example without such an illustrious previous owner history would cost North of £300,000.

If I could turn back time. Not a Bentley guy?

OnlyLivingBoy

Stuartinromford said:

Farooq said:

Fishing said:

Farooq said:

I prefer the crisp fresh bracing cold of winter over the stinking boiling itchy heat of summer.

If we had boiling heat in this country for more than a few days a year I might agree with you. But I've lived in the southern US, and that taught me to appreciate our own fairly mild, pleasant summers with their endless light evenings, abundant blackberries and everybody (except you apparently) in a much better mood.

(And I live in the warmest part of the country).

Aren't blackberries more of an autumn thing?

The hot days are getting more frequent, it seems. 30C is already too much. If you southerners start getting 40C you'll be flocking to our shores. We might need to go independent and send you off to Rwanda to teach you a lesson if it comes to that.

I could really do with not having a repeat of July 2022, but it's only a matter of time, isn't it?

I wonder how easy it is to convert a suburban back garden into a Mediterranean courtyard with a fountain?

Christ I remember cycling home in 40 degree heat. That was intense. I suspect a lot of people are gradually making changes to their gardens. We have shrunk the size of our lawn. I love courtyard houses in Asia, that's a retirement dream.

squareroot2

Initially the clocks going forward is an irritation. A hours less sleep. Evensong still at 4pm not 6pm...
If we can ignore the Jocks Double Summer time is worth considering

Foxy

Malmesbury said:

Mexicanpete said:

Stuartinromford said:

MarqueeMark said:

MattW said:

Morning all.

The absurdity seems to me to be the imposition of a single time zone.

Time used to be rather arbitrary, locally. Then came the railways, with their timetables, damn them!

Railways used to run to timetables?

Timetables are merely guidance, they are not rules, and "the guidance was followed at all times". Now where have I heard that before?

IIRC Brunel wrote a letter/instruction to the drivers of GWR about speeding. Apparently the Oxford-London run was frequently seeing trains arriving 15 minutes early. Out of an hour.

Apparently this was very inconvenient for the company and the passengers.

More of an issue to signallers trying to prevent crashes, I imagine.

OnlyLivingBoy

Mexicanpete said:

MarqueeMark said:

DavidL said:

If I could turn back time

Betting would be a lot easier.

I've just given a promising chap called Bill Gates his first ten thousand dollars investment....

In 2007 I was doing some consultancy work for a guy in Burford. He was selling his 1960 Bentley Continental Drophead with really nice provenance, it had previously belonged to Terry-Thomas and latterly Lawrence Harvey, he said "it's yours for £7,000". Do I look like a Bentley kind of a guy? I saw it advertised in Motor Sport magazine some months later for £8.5k at a dealers in the New Forest. Last year an example without such an illustrious previous owner history would cost North of £300,000.

If I could turn back time. Not a Bentley guy?

I could have picked up a numbered Banksy print or probably an original artwork before he was well known, they used to be sold online, but in those days a few hundred quid was well beyond what we could afford.

Foxy

DecrepiterJohnL said:

Farooq said:

Fishing said:

Farooq said:

I prefer the crisp fresh bracing cold of winter over the stinking boiling itchy heat of summer.

If we had boiling heat in this country for more than a few days a year I might agree with you. But I've lived in the southern US, and that taught me to appreciate our own fairly mild, pleasant summers with their endless light evenings, abundant blackberries and everybody (except you apparently) in a much better mood.

(And I live in the warmest part of the country).

Aren't blackberries more of an autumn thing?

The hot days are getting more frequent, it seems. 30C is already too much. If you southerners start getting 40C you'll be flocking to our shores. We might need to go independent and send you off to Rwanda to teach you a lesson if it comes to that.

It is 33 degrees C here and I am wondering whether to turn off the heating or buy a new thermometer.

If its the heating, you might want to think about remortgaging to pay the bill!

Casino_Royale

Seriously, when is Winter going to piss off so we can get to some warmth for once?

This one is dragging out more tediously than an AV thread.

SandyRentool

Today is the day to listen to "23 Hour Party People".

Fishing

OnlyLivingBoy said:

DecrepiterJohnL said:

Tres said:

OldKingCole said:

Good morning, everyone. That’s a greeting not a comment on the weather here!

In these days of the Internet, a friend of mine says, we are divided by time zones, not borders. He and I are involved in a small Internet organisation which runs discussions for seniors and we have members from all over the world.
Although I have to say that we don’t get many people tuning in from the Asia-Pacific region. It’s mainly Europe (including the UK) and East coast US and Canada.

The last 2 weeks have been a bit strange due to this because the US clocks moved a fortnight ago.

The Americans make a complete hash of daylight savings time, even allowing for states and the odd small town doing their own thing. In Europe, we change at 1am GMT, so every country changes at the same moment. In America, they make the change at a moment specified in that timezone's local time, so the transition moves like a slow wave across the continent and you do not want to be working in the datacentre that night.

Americans are big on localism and democracy, this being just one of the weird manifestations of that, and evidence that one can have too much of a good thing.

It's a much stranger system than many realise, and not really a manifestation of democracy. Time zones are actually federally regulated, by the US Department of Transportation. That's a hangover from the days when the overwhelming need for railway ("railroad" as Americans incorrectly call them) timetables led to standardised time. The Uniform Time Act establishes a system of uniform Daylight Saving Time throughout the US, and provides that either Congress or the Secretary of Transportation can change a time-zone boundary. States and localities can make requests, but that's all they are unless the feds agree.

However, you're right to an extent that the Feds cannot decide whether a state changes the clocks, but if the state does so it must do so according to how the Feds tell them to (defined start and end times, choosing one of the US's time zones, etc).

Anyway, the whole thing is a complicated and legalistic mess. But I suppose it seems to work somehow, despite weird quirks like that little bit of Arizona on I-15 where you have to change your clocks twice in a few miles times of the year.

Whatever, it's a hell of a lot better than the Chinese system of one time zone for a vast country because, well, just because.

boulay

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Mexicanpete said:

MarqueeMark said:

DavidL said:

If I could turn back time

Betting would be a lot easier.

I've just given a promising chap called Bill Gates his first ten thousand dollars investment....

In 2007 I was doing some consultancy work for a guy in Burford. He was selling his 1960 Bentley Continental Drophead with really nice provenance, it had previously belonged to Terry-Thomas and latterly Lawrence Harvey, he said "it's yours for £7,000". Do I look like a Bentley kind of a guy? I saw it advertised in Motor Sport magazine some months later for £8.5k at a dealers in the New Forest. Last year an example without such an illustrious previous owner history would cost North of £300,000.

If I could turn back time. Not a Bentley guy?

I could have picked up a numbered Banksy print or probably an original artwork before he was well known, they used to be sold online, but in those days a few hundred quid was well beyond what we could afford.

Could be worse, about 25 years ago I shelled out a lot of money for a Rolf Harris original, watched it’s value go up nicely and then one day…

Casino_Royale

squareroot2 said:

Initially the clocks going forward is an irritation. A hours less sleep. Evensong still at 4pm not 6pm...
If we can ignore the Jocks Double Summer time is worth considering

Actually, I'm sort of OK today. Don't feel I've missed anything.

Woke up and it was 7.15am rather than 6.15am. Feel fine so far.

Foxy

Casino_Royale said:

Seriously, when is Winter going to piss off so we can get to some warmth for once?

This one is dragging out more tediously than an AV thread.

Spring is definitely here. Daffodils out, and my first Tulips. Forsythia in full bloom and flowering currant busting out.

March has always been "In like a lion, out like a lamb"

In terms of temperature, I don't think the British Isles can be beat. A bit more predictable would be useful though for planning events, but I do like a marine climate. The thing that I dislike compared to other places that I have lived is the darkness in winter, particularly when working indoors in windowless rooms. People need natural light to stay sane.

Dura_Ace

Mexicanpete said:

MarqueeMark said:

DavidL said:

If I could turn back time

Betting would be a lot easier.

I've just given a promising chap called Bill Gates his first ten thousand dollars investment....

In 2007 I was doing some consultancy work for a guy in Burford. He was selling his 1960 Bentley Continental Drophead with really nice provenance, it had previously belonged to Terry-Thomas and latterly Lawrence Harvey, he said "it's yours for £7,000". Do I look like a Bentley kind of a guy? I saw it advertised in Motor Sport magazine some months later for £8.5k at a dealers in the New Forest. Last year an example without such an illustrious previous owner history would cost North of £300,000.

If I could turn back time. Not a Bentley guy?

I parted out my 993 GT2 because it got stolen, trashed and probably needed 30 or 40 grand's worth of work which I didn't feel like shelling out for at the time. So I was a bit gutted when a few sold for $1m+ some years later. Then, one went for £1.8m at Sotheby's. Granted, that was a low mileage 100 point car in a unique Porsche Exclusive Manufaktur colour but still...

The wing is now on my polarsilber 993 slicctop though so I'm glad I never sold that.

Malmesbury

It seems to me that we can stop all this bickering, very simply.

Correct the tilt of axis of the Earth.

Luckyguy1983

boulay said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Mexicanpete said:

MarqueeMark said:

DavidL said:

If I could turn back time

Betting would be a lot easier.

I've just given a promising chap called Bill Gates his first ten thousand dollars investment....

In 2007 I was doing some consultancy work for a guy in Burford. He was selling his 1960 Bentley Continental Drophead with really nice provenance, it had previously belonged to Terry-Thomas and latterly Lawrence Harvey, he said "it's yours for £7,000". Do I look like a Bentley kind of a guy? I saw it advertised in Motor Sport magazine some months later for £8.5k at a dealers in the New Forest. Last year an example without such an illustrious previous owner history would cost North of £300,000.

If I could turn back time. Not a Bentley guy?

I could have picked up a numbered Banksy print or probably an original artwork before he was well known, they used to be sold online, but in those days a few hundred quid was well beyond what we could afford.

Could be worse, about 25 years ago I shelled out a lot of money for a Rolf Harris original, watched it’s value go up nicely and then one day…

Can you see what it is?

Richard_Tyndall

SouthamObserver said:

Spain actually has two time zones - one for the mainland, one for the Canary Islands, which have the same as the UK. I think that the whole of the Iberian Peninsular used to be on our time, but Franco changed it. That’s why you now have to reset your watch when you cross the border into Portugal.

Worth remembering that Portugal -which is on GMT - tried TSE's idiotic suggestion of getting rid of it in both the 60s and the 90s, switching to CET instead. On both occassions it was hated. It caused more accidents, was worse for children's education and csused more air pollution. So on both occasdions it was abandoned.

For Britain these effects would be even worse. It also seems utterly daft that the country that hosts the Greenwich Meridian should abandon GMT.

Malmesbury

boulay said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Mexicanpete said:

MarqueeMark said:

DavidL said:

If I could turn back time

Betting would be a lot easier.

I've just given a promising chap called Bill Gates his first ten thousand dollars investment....

In 2007 I was doing some consultancy work for a guy in Burford. He was selling his 1960 Bentley Continental Drophead with really nice provenance, it had previously belonged to Terry-Thomas and latterly Lawrence Harvey, he said "it's yours for £7,000". Do I look like a Bentley kind of a guy? I saw it advertised in Motor Sport magazine some months later for £8.5k at a dealers in the New Forest. Last year an example without such an illustrious previous owner history would cost North of £300,000.

If I could turn back time. Not a Bentley guy?

I could have picked up a numbered Banksy print or probably an original artwork before he was well known, they used to be sold online, but in those days a few hundred quid was well beyond what we could afford.

Could be worse, about 25 years ago I shelled out a lot of money for a Rolf Harris original, watched it’s value go up nicely and then one day…

The first publicised purchase with Bitcoin was 30,000 bitcoin for a pizza.

DavidL

Luckyguy1983 said:

boulay said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Mexicanpete said:

MarqueeMark said:

DavidL said:

If I could turn back time

Betting would be a lot easier.

I've just given a promising chap called Bill Gates his first ten thousand dollars investment....

In 2007 I was doing some consultancy work for a guy in Burford. He was selling his 1960 Bentley Continental Drophead with really nice provenance, it had previously belonged to Terry-Thomas and latterly Lawrence Harvey, he said "it's yours for £7,000". Do I look like a Bentley kind of a guy? I saw it advertised in Motor Sport magazine some months later for £8.5k at a dealers in the New Forest. Last year an example without such an illustrious previous owner history would cost North of £300,000.

If I could turn back time. Not a Bentley guy?

I could have picked up a numbered Banksy print or probably an original artwork before he was well known, they used to be sold online, but in those days a few hundred quid was well beyond what we could afford.

Could be worse, about 25 years ago I shelled out a lot of money for a Rolf Harris original, watched it’s value go up nicely and then one day…

Can you see what it is?

A bloody poor investment.

Casino_Royale

Foxy said:

Casino_Royale said:

Seriously, when is Winter going to piss off so we can get to some warmth for once?

This one is dragging out more tediously than an AV thread.

Spring is definitely here. Daffodils out, and my first Tulips. Forsythia in full bloom and flowering currant busting out.

March has always been "In like a lion, out like a lamb"

In terms of temperature, I don't think the British Isles can be beat. A bit more predictable would be useful though for planning events, but I do like a marine climate. The thing that I dislike compared to other places that I have lived is the darkness in winter, particularly when working indoors in windowless rooms. People need natural light to stay sane.

Totally agree, but I want at least 15-16C and some sun at the weekend mate.

Casino_Royale

Having just watched Aqua - Turn Back Time again it seems to be filmed largely at Bank/Holborn tube stations and there's an awful lot of Gwyneth Paltrow in it.

Didn't remember that.

DavidL

Malmesbury said:

It seems to me that we can stop all this bickering, very simply.

Correct the tilt of axis of the Earth.

I would rather just put a minor brake on the rotation. 49 hour weekends seems like a plan to me. 47 hour ones, not so much.

Luckyguy1983

@Farooq FPT

Farooq said:

HYUFD said:

Farooq said:

Casino_Royale said:

jamesdoyle said:

GIN1138 said:

Well... for starters there's no guarantee Biden will even be alive in November 2024.

He is three years past average life expectancy for a US male so anything he gets from here is a bonus..

As an 80 yo US male, he has a life expectancy of another 7 years. Overall life expectancy is misleading (very) for someone who is already elderly.

If you're fit and healthy, you should make it into your 90s, so long as dementia/ alzheimer's don't rear their ugly head, or you succumb to cancer. More likely in your 80s but far from inevitable.

What you really want is to be pretty good, except for the usual wear and tear, and then go suddenly in your late 90s aka DofE or HMQ.

Did you know that, on average, vegetarians live years longer than meat eaters?

Only if they get enough protein to match that lost from meat from other sources

Well obviously they do because they literally do live longer.
Perhaps meat eaters aren't getting enough protein? Idk

The last time I had a discussion on this topic with (afaicr) Foxy, I looked at the research, and actually it comes out overall that morbidity in veggies and non-veggies is the same. Which given that vegetarianism is largely a middle-class preoccupation, so you can consider your vegetarian group to have considerable additional benefits, vs. the meat eaters, is not a great showing for vegetarianism.

TheScreamingEagles

L

Casino_Royale said:

Having just watched Aqua - Turn Back Time again it seems to be filmed largely at Bank/Holborn tube stations and there's an awful lot of Gwyneth Paltrow in it.

Didn't remember that.

There were two versions.

One for Aqua, one for the Sliding Doors soundtrack.

OnlyLivingBoy

Casino_Royale said:

Having just watched Aqua - Turn Back Time again it seems to be filmed largely at Bank/Holborn tube stations and there's an awful lot of Gwyneth Paltrow in it.

Didn't remember that.

Isn't it from Sliding Doors?

Luckyguy1983

Casino_Royale said:

Having just watched Aqua - Turn Back Time again it seems to be filmed largely at Bank/Holborn tube stations and there's an awful lot of Gwyneth Paltrow in it.

Didn't remember that.

Which awful lot of Ms. Paltrow?

TheScreamingEagles

Richard_Tyndall said:

SouthamObserver said:

Spain actually has two time zones - one for the mainland, one for the Canary Islands, which have the same as the UK. I think that the whole of the Iberian Peninsular used to be on our time, but Franco changed it. That’s why you now have to reset your watch when you cross the border into Portugal.

Worth remembering that Portugal -which is on GMT - tried TSE's idiotic suggestion of getting rid of it in both the 60s and the 90s, switching to CET instead. On both occassions it was hated. It caused more accidents, was worse for children's education and csused more air pollution. So on both occasdions it was abandoned.

For Britain these effects would be even worse. It also seems utterly daft that the country that hosts the Greenwich Meridian should abandon GMT.

We abandon GMT for the majority of the year.

DecrepiterJohnL

Malmesbury said:

boulay said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Mexicanpete said:

MarqueeMark said:

DavidL said:

If I could turn back time

Betting would be a lot easier.

I've just given a promising chap called Bill Gates his first ten thousand dollars investment....

In 2007 I was doing some consultancy work for a guy in Burford. He was selling his 1960 Bentley Continental Drophead with really nice provenance, it had previously belonged to Terry-Thomas and latterly Lawrence Harvey, he said "it's yours for £7,000". Do I look like a Bentley kind of a guy? I saw it advertised in Motor Sport magazine some months later for £8.5k at a dealers in the New Forest. Last year an example without such an illustrious previous owner history would cost North of £300,000.

If I could turn back time. Not a Bentley guy?

I could have picked up a numbered Banksy print or probably an original artwork before he was well known, they used to be sold online, but in those days a few hundred quid was well beyond what we could afford.

Could be worse, about 25 years ago I shelled out a lot of money for a Rolf Harris original, watched it’s value go up nicely and then one day…

The first publicised purchase with Bitcoin was 30,000 bitcoin for a pizza.

Just think what that pizza must be worth now. Shame they ate it.

Malmesbury

DavidL said:

Malmesbury said:

It seems to me that we can stop all this bickering, very simply.

Correct the tilt of axis of the Earth.

I would rather just put a minor brake on the rotation. 49 hour weekends seems like a plan to me. 47 hour ones, not so much.

There’s the tilt, the wobble.

Requirements list time….

Casino_Royale

TheScreamingEagles said:

L

Casino_Royale said:

Having just watched Aqua - Turn Back Time again it seems to be filmed largely at Bank/Holborn tube stations and there's an awful lot of Gwyneth Paltrow in it.

Didn't remember that.

There were two versions.

One for Aqua, one for the Sliding Doors soundtrack.

I don't think I've ever seen Sliding Doors.

boulay

DavidL said:

Luckyguy1983 said:

boulay said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Mexicanpete said:

MarqueeMark said:

DavidL said:

If I could turn back time

Betting would be a lot easier.

I've just given a promising chap called Bill Gates his first ten thousand dollars investment....

In 2007 I was doing some consultancy work for a guy in Burford. He was selling his 1960 Bentley Continental Drophead with really nice provenance, it had previously belonged to Terry-Thomas and latterly Lawrence Harvey, he said "it's yours for £7,000". Do I look like a Bentley kind of a guy? I saw it advertised in Motor Sport magazine some months later for £8.5k at a dealers in the New Forest. Last year an example without such an illustrious previous owner history would cost North of £300,000.

If I could turn back time. Not a Bentley guy?

I could have picked up a numbered Banksy print or probably an original artwork before he was well known, they used to be sold online, but in those days a few hundred quid was well beyond what we could afford.

Could be worse, about 25 years ago I shelled out a lot of money for a Rolf Harris original, watched it’s value go up nicely and then one day…

Can you see what it is?

A bloody poor investment.

Could only be beaten by congratulating yourself on buying Gary Glitter’s back catalogue and waving him off as he flies out for his first trip to Cambodia.

MarqueeMark

squareroot2 said:

Initially the clocks going forward is an irritation. A hours less sleep. Evensong still at 4pm not 6pm...
If we can ignore the Jocks Double Summer time is worth considering

What are you talking about, "IF we can ignore the Jocks...."?

TheScreamingEagles

Casino_Royale said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

L

Casino_Royale said:

Having just watched Aqua - Turn Back Time again it seems to be filmed largely at Bank/Holborn tube stations and there's an awful lot of Gwyneth Paltrow in it.

Didn't remember that.

There were two versions.

One for Aqua, one for the Sliding Doors soundtrack.

I don't think I've ever seen Sliding Doors.

Enjoyable film.

It did earworm me with ‘Father Abraham had many sons, many sons had Father Abraham’ though.

OnlyLivingBoy

Casino_Royale said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

L

Casino_Royale said:

Having just watched Aqua - Turn Back Time again it seems to be filmed largely at Bank/Holborn tube stations and there's an awful lot of Gwyneth Paltrow in it.

Didn't remember that.

There were two versions.

One for Aqua, one for the Sliding Doors soundtrack.

I don't think I've ever seen Sliding Doors.

It's okay. Filmed on the Waterloo and City line because it's closed on Sundays.

Richard_Tyndall

TheScreamingEagles said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

SouthamObserver said:

Spain actually has two time zones - one for the mainland, one for the Canary Islands, which have the same as the UK. I think that the whole of the Iberian Peninsular used to be on our time, but Franco changed it. That’s why you now have to reset your watch when you cross the border into Portugal.

Worth remembering that Portugal -which is on GMT - tried TSE's idiotic suggestion of getting rid of it in both the 60s and the 90s, switching to CET instead. On both occassions it was hated. It caused more accidents, was worse for children's education and csused more air pollution. So on both occasdions it was abandoned.

For Britain these effects would be even worse. It also seems utterly daft that the country that hosts the Greenwich Meridian should abandon GMT.

We abandon GMT for the majority of the year.

But we maintain it for the best months of the year.

OnlyLivingBoy

Malmesbury said:

boulay said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Mexicanpete said:

MarqueeMark said:

DavidL said:

If I could turn back time

Betting would be a lot easier.

I've just given a promising chap called Bill Gates his first ten thousand dollars investment....

In 2007 I was doing some consultancy work for a guy in Burford. He was selling his 1960 Bentley Continental Drophead with really nice provenance, it had previously belonged to Terry-Thomas and latterly Lawrence Harvey, he said "it's yours for £7,000". Do I look like a Bentley kind of a guy? I saw it advertised in Motor Sport magazine some months later for £8.5k at a dealers in the New Forest. Last year an example without such an illustrious previous owner history would cost North of £300,000.

If I could turn back time. Not a Bentley guy?

I could have picked up a numbered Banksy print or probably an original artwork before he was well known, they used to be sold online, but in those days a few hundred quid was well beyond what we could afford.

Could be worse, about 25 years ago I shelled out a lot of money for a Rolf Harris original, watched it’s value go up nicely and then one day…

The first publicised purchase with Bitcoin was 30,000 bitcoin for a pizza.

The last purchase will probably look similar.

MaxPB

SouthamObserver said:

Spain actually has two time zones - one for the mainland, one for the Canary Islands, which have the same as the UK. I think that the whole of the Iberian Peninsular used to be on our time, but Franco changed it. That’s why you now have to reset your watch when you cross the border into Portugal.

It was given to me as the reason for Spanish people eating at such late times compared to Portugal by a Spanish person.