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  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,396
    2024 Presidential Election Hypothetical Voting Intention (20 March):

    Joe Biden: 44% (–)
    Donald Trump: 44% (–)
    Don't Know: 5% (-2)
    https://twitter.com/RedfieldWilton/status/1639311113400598537?s=20

    2024 Presidential Election Hypothetical Voting Intention (20 March):

    Donald Trump: 45% (+3)
    Kamala Harris: 37% (-4)
    Don't Know: 7% (-4)
    https://twitter.com/RedfieldWilton/status/1639312429820833793?s=20

    2024 Presidential Election Hypothetical Voting Intention (20 March):

    Joe Biden: 45% (+2)
    Ron DeSantis: 38% (+4)
    Don't Know: 6% (-9)
    https://twitter.com/RedfieldWilton/status/1639313680801345536?s=20
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 5,923
    Farooq said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Well... for starters there's no guarantee Biden will even be alive in November 2024.

    He is three years past average life expectancy for a US male so anything he gets from here is a bonus..

    As an 80 yo US male, he has a life expectancy of another 7 years. Overall life expectancy is misleading (very) for someone who is already elderly.
    If you're fit and healthy, you should make it into your 90s, so long as dementia/ alzheimer's don't rear their ugly head, or you succumb to cancer. More likely in your 80s but far from inevitable.

    What you really want is to be pretty good, except for the usual wear and tear, and then go suddenly in your late 90s aka DofE or HMQ.
    Did you know that, on average, vegetarians live years longer than meat eaters?
    Terrible, bacon-less years.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,597

    I have never voted for Biden, and don't have a high opinion of him. Nonetheless, I think he has been mostly right on foreign policy while he has been president. And I haven't seen any of the signs of senility in him that are so obvious in, for example, California's Dianne Feinstein. (He's always been gaffe prone.)

    Moreover, he is doing most of the things a doctor would suggest he do to keep healthy, exercising regularly, keeping his weight down, and, as far as I can tell, mostly eating healthy.

    Biden is not unique. There has been a long-term trend in the US for people not only to live longer, but to be healthier longer and longer…

    The well off, yes.
    Overall US life expectancy is falling.

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,396
    Farooq said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Well... for starters there's no guarantee Biden will even be alive in November 2024.

    He is three years past average life expectancy for a US male so anything he gets from here is a bonus..

    As an 80 yo US male, he has a life expectancy of another 7 years. Overall life expectancy is misleading (very) for someone who is already elderly.
    If you're fit and healthy, you should make it into your 90s, so long as dementia/ alzheimer's don't rear their ugly head, or you succumb to cancer. More likely in your 80s but far from inevitable.

    What you really want is to be pretty good, except for the usual wear and tear, and then go suddenly in your late 90s aka DofE or HMQ.
    Did you know that, on average, vegetarians live years longer than meat eaters?
    Only if they get enough protein to match that lost from meat from other sources
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,597
    HYUFD said:

    The problem with replacing Kamala Harris is that there aren't many people who tick all the identity boxes she does. I can't think of a single prominent Democrat who does. That's one of the prices of identity politics.

    It's my impression that Biden understands her weaknesses, and has been trying to strengthen her by giving her tasks she can handle -- and that will teach her something.

    (When Jimmy Carter was thinking about changes for his second term, he, or one of his aides, said some of their subordinates would have to go -- but not, of course, any of the women and minorities.)

    If the Democrats want to pick a VP candidate and Presidential candidate based on identity politics they will lose, badly and deserve to!
    Compared with the Republican meritocracy ?
    Funny guy.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 41,969
    ping said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Well... for starters there's no guarantee Biden will even be alive in November 2024.

    He is three years past average life expectancy for a US male so anything he gets from here is a bonus..

    As an 80 yo US male, he has a life expectancy of another 7 years. Overall life expectancy is misleading (very) for someone who is already elderly.
    If you're fit and healthy, you should make it into your 90s, so long as dementia/ alzheimer's don't rear their ugly head, or you succumb to cancer. More likely in your 80s but far from inevitable.

    What you really want is to be pretty good, except for the usual wear and tear, and then go suddenly in your late 90s aka DofE or HMQ.
    I strongly suspect their unlikely “good health” until they suddenly dropped dead was mostly a fiction.

    It was rather impolite to question the official narrative, while they were alive, but now they’re both dead I don’t feel the need to maintain the fiction. The *perfectly healthy* and then drop dead in your late 90’s thing is, I would suggest, highly unusual.
    "How do you want to go?" used to be one of my icebreakers when socialising. It elicited some interesting responses from people.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,597
    ydoethur said:

    Nigelb said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Buttigieg is already rumoured to be Biden's VP nominee if he wins the Democratic nomination again in 2024, particularly given his appeal to key white, graduate suburban swing voters who voted for Bush, Obama in 2008, narrowly for Romney in 2012, then Trump in 2016, then Biden in 2020. He would shift Harris to State or the SC.

    Buttigieg would then be in prime position to be Democratic candidate in 2028 assuming Biden is re elected.

    National polling numbers at this stage should not be overstated however, if DeSantis and Pence perform well against Trump in Iowa and New Hampshire they will be right back in contention for the GOP nomination

    For Buttigieg to be the VP nominee, the deep state would need to assassinate one of the judges so Kamala can join the Supreme Court bench. Bluntly, unless the Dems want Trump back in the White House, Kamala Harris will need to be bought off. She can't just be dropped without splitting the party.
    Yes she can, she is not very popular with the Black vote. Indeed in 2020 Biden-Harris got a lower share of the black vote than even Hillary did in 2016, let alone Obama in 2008 and 2012.

    Biden only won because he won White suburban voters who had voted for Trump in 2016. Biden will switch Harris to Secretary of State and make Buttigieg his VP nominee to appeal to those white suburban voters
    I somewhat doubt that.
    There is a story going round just now about Biden losing patience with Harris, but it seems to be exclusively (and simultaneously) in right wing outlets. Which doesn’t smell right.
    The right does not smell right?
    It smells bad.
    As does the story.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,396
    edited March 2023
    Farooq said:

    HYUFD said:

    Farooq said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Well... for starters there's no guarantee Biden will even be alive in November 2024.

    He is three years past average life expectancy for a US male so anything he gets from here is a bonus..

    As an 80 yo US male, he has a life expectancy of another 7 years. Overall life expectancy is misleading (very) for someone who is already elderly.
    If you're fit and healthy, you should make it into your 90s, so long as dementia/ alzheimer's don't rear their ugly head, or you succumb to cancer. More likely in your 80s but far from inevitable.

    What you really want is to be pretty good, except for the usual wear and tear, and then go suddenly in your late 90s aka DofE or HMQ.
    Did you know that, on average, vegetarians live years longer than meat eaters?
    Only if they get enough protein to match that lost from meat from other sources
    Well obviously they do because they literally do live longer.
    Perhaps meat eaters aren't getting enough protein? Idk
    My sister is vegetarian and she certainly gets colds and flu more often than I do as a meat eater, vegetarians are also more at risk of stroke and depression.
    https://www.webmd.com/diet/obesity/news/20191104/are-there-health-downsides-to-vegetarian-diets

    Vegans are more at risk of osteoperosis.
    https://nutritionfacts.org/video/do-vegans-have-lower-bone-mineral-density-and-higher-risk-of-osteoporosis/#:~:text=So, vegetarians had worse bone,with lower bone mineral density.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,396
    Farooq said:

    HYUFD said:

    Farooq said:

    HYUFD said:

    Farooq said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Well... for starters there's no guarantee Biden will even be alive in November 2024.

    He is three years past average life expectancy for a US male so anything he gets from here is a bonus..

    As an 80 yo US male, he has a life expectancy of another 7 years. Overall life expectancy is misleading (very) for someone who is already elderly.
    If you're fit and healthy, you should make it into your 90s, so long as dementia/ alzheimer's don't rear their ugly head, or you succumb to cancer. More likely in your 80s but far from inevitable.

    What you really want is to be pretty good, except for the usual wear and tear, and then go suddenly in your late 90s aka DofE or HMQ.
    Did you know that, on average, vegetarians live years longer than meat eaters?
    Only if they get enough protein to match that lost from meat from other sources
    Well obviously they do because they literally do live longer.
    Perhaps meat eaters aren't getting enough protein? Idk
    My sister is vegetarian and she certainly gets colds and flu more often than i do as a meat eater, vegans are also more at risk of osteoperosis
    Yes, but she's (probably) not spending her Saturday evenings posting US polling numbers on the internet.
    She goes to the gym more regularly and plays sport more often than I do admittedly (albeit I do still swim and gym twice a week)
  • GIN1138 said:

    ydoethur said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Well... for starters there's no guarantee Biden will even be alive in November 2024.

    He is three years past average life expectancy for a US male so anything he gets from here is a bonus..

    Incorrect. At the age of 80 the average life expectancy of a US male is 87.

    Infant mortality and sudden violent death rather skew the overall average...
    87 seems implausibly high for a US male given all the junk food they consume?
    No, this is for the ones who have made it to 80 already, not life expectancy from birth.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,309

    I just watched a YouTube advert for the NHS

    I hope you weren't offended by my question earlier. Apologies if so.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,396
    Lord Lloyd Webber's son dies of cancer at 43, RIP
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-65078024
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  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,621
    HYUFD said:

    Farooq said:

    HYUFD said:

    Farooq said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Well... for starters there's no guarantee Biden will even be alive in November 2024.

    He is three years past average life expectancy for a US male so anything he gets from here is a bonus..

    As an 80 yo US male, he has a life expectancy of another 7 years. Overall life expectancy is misleading (very) for someone who is already elderly.
    If you're fit and healthy, you should make it into your 90s, so long as dementia/ alzheimer's don't rear their ugly head, or you succumb to cancer. More likely in your 80s but far from inevitable.

    What you really want is to be pretty good, except for the usual wear and tear, and then go suddenly in your late 90s aka DofE or HMQ.
    Did you know that, on average, vegetarians live years longer than meat eaters?
    Only if they get enough protein to match that lost from meat from other sources
    Well obviously they do because they literally do live longer.
    Perhaps meat eaters aren't getting enough protein? Idk
    My sister is vegetarian and she certainly gets colds and flu more often than I do as a meat eater, vegetarians are also more at risk of stroke and depression.
    https://www.webmd.com/diet/obesity/news/20191104/are-there-health-downsides-to-vegetarian-diets
    I've been a vegetarian since 1991 (I was 16 at the time), and it hasn't done me any harm!
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,621
    biggles said:

    Farooq said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Well... for starters there's no guarantee Biden will even be alive in November 2024.

    He is three years past average life expectancy for a US male so anything he gets from here is a bonus..

    As an 80 yo US male, he has a life expectancy of another 7 years. Overall life expectancy is misleading (very) for someone who is already elderly.
    If you're fit and healthy, you should make it into your 90s, so long as dementia/ alzheimer's don't rear their ugly head, or you succumb to cancer. More likely in your 80s but far from inevitable.

    What you really want is to be pretty good, except for the usual wear and tear, and then go suddenly in your late 90s aka DofE or HMQ.
    Did you know that, on average, vegetarians live years longer than meat eaters?
    Terrible, bacon-less years.
    Ahem
    https://www.quorn.co.uk/products/bacon-style-rashers
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,502

    biggles said:

    Farooq said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Well... for starters there's no guarantee Biden will even be alive in November 2024.

    He is three years past average life expectancy for a US male so anything he gets from here is a bonus..

    As an 80 yo US male, he has a life expectancy of another 7 years. Overall life expectancy is misleading (very) for someone who is already elderly.
    If you're fit and healthy, you should make it into your 90s, so long as dementia/ alzheimer's don't rear their ugly head, or you succumb to cancer. More likely in your 80s but far from inevitable.

    What you really want is to be pretty good, except for the usual wear and tear, and then go suddenly in your late 90s aka DofE or HMQ.
    Did you know that, on average, vegetarians live years longer than meat eaters?
    Terrible, bacon-less years.
    Ahem
    https://www.quorn.co.uk/products/bacon-style-rashers
    I note the package is mostly opaque.
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 2,963
    NigelB said: "The well off, yes.
    Overall US life expectancy is falling.

    Depends on your time perspective. Average US life expectancy rose during the George W. Bush administration, and began falling in 2014, while Obama was president. It fell again while Trump was president. Now that COVID is fading, I expect it to at least level off.

    And, if leaders crack down on drugs like Fentanyl, to begin rising again.

    (Two facts which should interest everyone: Black women passed white men in life expectancy in the 1980s.

    Hispanics have a significant advantage over whites in life expectancy:
    "Though they are often at lower socioeconomic standing, most Hispanic groups, excepting Puerto Ricans, demonstrate lower or equal levels of mortality to their non-Hispanic White counterparts.[21] The Center for Disease Control reported in 2003 that Hispanic's mortality rate was 25 percent lower than non-Hispanic whites and 43 percent lower than African Americans"
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hispanic_paradox

    At least before COVID. But I expect that advantage to return to previous levels, soon.)
  • Andy_JS said:

    I just watched a YouTube advert for the NHS

    I hope you weren't offended by my question earlier. Apologies if so.
    Not at all

    I missed it while having dinner

    I'm 45
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,621
    carnforth said:

    biggles said:

    Farooq said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Well... for starters there's no guarantee Biden will even be alive in November 2024.

    He is three years past average life expectancy for a US male so anything he gets from here is a bonus..

    As an 80 yo US male, he has a life expectancy of another 7 years. Overall life expectancy is misleading (very) for someone who is already elderly.
    If you're fit and healthy, you should make it into your 90s, so long as dementia/ alzheimer's don't rear their ugly head, or you succumb to cancer. More likely in your 80s but far from inevitable.

    What you really want is to be pretty good, except for the usual wear and tear, and then go suddenly in your late 90s aka DofE or HMQ.
    Did you know that, on average, vegetarians live years longer than meat eaters?
    Terrible, bacon-less years.
    Ahem
    https://www.quorn.co.uk/products/bacon-style-rashers
    I note the package is mostly opaque.
    https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/shop/fresh-food/chilled-vegetarian-and-vegan/bacon-alternatives/vegan-and-vegetarian-bacon-alternatives
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,502
    edited March 2023

    carnforth said:

    biggles said:

    Farooq said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Well... for starters there's no guarantee Biden will even be alive in November 2024.

    He is three years past average life expectancy for a US male so anything he gets from here is a bonus..

    As an 80 yo US male, he has a life expectancy of another 7 years. Overall life expectancy is misleading (very) for someone who is already elderly.
    If you're fit and healthy, you should make it into your 90s, so long as dementia/ alzheimer's don't rear their ugly head, or you succumb to cancer. More likely in your 80s but far from inevitable.

    What you really want is to be pretty good, except for the usual wear and tear, and then go suddenly in your late 90s aka DofE or HMQ.
    Did you know that, on average, vegetarians live years longer than meat eaters?
    Terrible, bacon-less years.
    Ahem
    https://www.quorn.co.uk/products/bacon-style-rashers
    I note the package is mostly opaque.
    https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/shop/fresh-food/chilled-vegetarian-and-vegan/bacon-alternatives/vegan-and-vegetarian-bacon-alternatives
    Upon reflection, I suppose it's possible that a meat-free Richmond's sausage is better than an ordinary one. Almost anything is.

    I've always imagined Richmond putting "Irish Recipe" on the packet had to be taken as an insult by the Irish.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,621
    carnforth said:

    carnforth said:

    biggles said:

    Farooq said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Well... for starters there's no guarantee Biden will even be alive in November 2024.

    He is three years past average life expectancy for a US male so anything he gets from here is a bonus..

    As an 80 yo US male, he has a life expectancy of another 7 years. Overall life expectancy is misleading (very) for someone who is already elderly.
    If you're fit and healthy, you should make it into your 90s, so long as dementia/ alzheimer's don't rear their ugly head, or you succumb to cancer. More likely in your 80s but far from inevitable.

    What you really want is to be pretty good, except for the usual wear and tear, and then go suddenly in your late 90s aka DofE or HMQ.
    Did you know that, on average, vegetarians live years longer than meat eaters?
    Terrible, bacon-less years.
    Ahem
    https://www.quorn.co.uk/products/bacon-style-rashers
    I note the package is mostly opaque.
    https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/shop/fresh-food/chilled-vegetarian-and-vegan/bacon-alternatives/vegan-and-vegetarian-bacon-alternatives
    Upon reflection, I suppose it's possible that a meat-free Richmond's sausage is better than an ordinary one. Almost anything is.

    I've always imagined Richmond putting "Irish Recipe" on the packet had to be taken as an insult by the Irish.
    I would have thought "Richmond's" would have been inspired by Rishi :lol:
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,597

    Andy_JS said:

    I just watched a YouTube advert for the NHS

    I hope you weren't offended by my question earlier. Apologies if so.
    Not at all

    I missed it while having dinner

    I'm 45
    PB youngster.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,102
    Farooq said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Well... for starters there's no guarantee Biden will even be alive in November 2024.

    He is three years past average life expectancy for a US male so anything he gets from here is a bonus..

    As an 80 yo US male, he has a life expectancy of another 7 years. Overall life expectancy is misleading (very) for someone who is already elderly.
    If you're fit and healthy, you should make it into your 90s, so long as dementia/ alzheimer's don't rear their ugly head, or you succumb to cancer. More likely in your 80s but far from inevitable.

    What you really want is to be pretty good, except for the usual wear and tear, and then go suddenly in your late 90s aka DofE or HMQ.
    Did you know that, on average, vegetarians live years longer than meat eaters?
    They don’t actually live longer… it just seems that way

  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,728
    edited March 2023
    Nigelb said:

    Andy_JS said:

    I just watched a YouTube advert for the NHS

    I hope you weren't offended by my question earlier. Apologies if so.
    Not at all

    I missed it while having dinner

    I'm 45
    PB youngster.
    Some of us are even younger.

    Does pb have a youth problem?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,597
    Sunak used incorrect asylum backlog figures, statistics watchdog says
    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/mar/25/sunak-used-incorrect-asylum-backlog-figures-statistics-watchdog-says

    His false denial about the big increase in the asylum claims backlog seems more than a bit back to Boris.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,597

    Nigelb said:

    Andy_JS said:

    I just watched a YouTube advert for the NHS

    I hope you weren't offended by my question earlier. Apologies if so.
    Not at all

    I missed it while having dinner

    I'm 45
    PB youngster.
    Some of us are even younger.

    Does pb have a youth problem?
    Possibly not.
    Just feeling my age.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,309
    Very sad news about Andrew Lloyd Webber's son Nicholas.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 56,942
    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    All that being said, I do think Biden is rather old to run again. One big concern I have is if Trump isn't the nominee the Republican will merely have to point to his age.

    I know Reagan got away with it due to a magnificent one-line put down but Biden is (a) no Reagan and (b) much older.

    Nearly a decade older.

    Is there an obvious Democratic alternative? They bemoan the Republicans as the stupid party but don't seem to be blessed with great candidates themselves.
    The Democrats are fortunate to have had 2 top class Presidential candidates within 20 years of each other, Obama and Bill Clinton. Otherwise they weren't able to produce a candidate of the same class before that since JFK and Bobby.

    Nor have they been able to since Obama either, though Buttigieg is probably the best of the next generation they have got
    I would say Jon Ossoff is the most impressive young Democrat, but I agree that Buttigieg is telegenic and smart.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,918

    Correct me if I am wrong on this, but I believe David Cameron was trying to broaden the appeal of the Conservative Party by encouraging more ethnic minorities to run for parliament.

    Whether that worked or not it has certainly played a big role in the huge increases in ethnic minority MPs in the last 20 years. Not in isolation, but it's pretty remarkable how few there were even in 2000.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,918
    Farooq said:

    HYUFD said:

    DougSeal said:

    HYUFD said:

    Farooq said:

    HYUFD said:

    Farooq said:

    Chris said:

    ...

    We finally got around to renewing our passports this week. (I haven't travelled abroad for years.)

    We'd thought maybe Paris, to have a nice weekend break.

    Hmmm. Nope.

    No Paris will be fine. In 2024. You'll be lucky to get your new passport back by 2023.

    Went up to Newport, in the Land of Dragons, to collect personally. Got booked in just before the strikes were announced.

    My luck ran out at Paris though!
    Newport? Paris? Much the same thing. Transporter Bridge = Eiffel Tower.
    Also St Woolos Cathedral = Notre Dame. It really is quite spooky:
    image
    image
    Oh wow that takes me back. I had sex in that churchyard.
    It wasn't nearly as warm that night as it seems to be in that photo.
    How disrespectful, it would be a graveyard after all
    So what? Sex isn't wrong and the dead don't care what we do. It's not like I was splashing over someone's floral arrangement.
    It is gross disrespect, a churchyard is a sacred place for Christians connected to the Church. What do you think the reaction would be if you had sex in a Muslim cemetery from your family and Muslim friends?
    It would depend on the quality of the video
    He was also lucky not to be arrested for outraging public decency
    That crime requires that two other people are present and capable of seeing said act. There was nobody else there other than me and my very temporary lover, so you'll have to find a new crime with which to charge me.
    If two people have sex in a public place and no one sees them, has a crime been committed. It's the 'if a trees falls in the forest' of our time.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,918
    Yes Biden is spry for his age, and yes the USA has more examples of people working on into their later years. The age of these two candidates would still be exceptional though, so I don't know why the 'they are used to older politicians' gets brought out like it doesn't make them being this old still exceptional. It's natural that people would be more alert to signs of that age having an impact, or be wary of any signs of deterioration, things they'd probably write off in younger people.


  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,918

    Trump? Can a President serve from a cell at Leavenworth?

    He won't see a day behind bars, it's all been left too late.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 21,973

    carnforth said:

    carnforth said:

    biggles said:

    Farooq said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Well... for starters there's no guarantee Biden will even be alive in November 2024.

    He is three years past average life expectancy for a US male so anything he gets from here is a bonus..

    As an 80 yo US male, he has a life expectancy of another 7 years. Overall life expectancy is misleading (very) for someone who is already elderly.
    If you're fit and healthy, you should make it into your 90s, so long as dementia/ alzheimer's don't rear their ugly head, or you succumb to cancer. More likely in your 80s but far from inevitable.

    What you really want is to be pretty good, except for the usual wear and tear, and then go suddenly in your late 90s aka DofE or HMQ.
    Did you know that, on average, vegetarians live years longer than meat eaters?
    Terrible, bacon-less years.
    Ahem
    https://www.quorn.co.uk/products/bacon-style-rashers
    I note the package is mostly opaque.
    https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/shop/fresh-food/chilled-vegetarian-and-vegan/bacon-alternatives/vegan-and-vegetarian-bacon-alternatives
    Upon reflection, I suppose it's possible that a meat-free Richmond's sausage is better than an ordinary one. Almost anything is.

    I've always imagined Richmond putting "Irish Recipe" on the packet had to be taken as an insult by the Irish.
    I would have thought "Richmond's" would have been inspired by Rishi :lol:
    You might want a mouthful of Rishi's sausage. The rest of us don't!
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,479
    I’d love to see Biden run again, and win again.

    Very probably the most underrated politician of modern times.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,309
    O/T

    Cheering myself up by watching the 1980 Wimbledon final between Chris Evert and Evonne Goolagong Cawley. Almost at the end of the wooden racquet era.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZRTqtKzdYo
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,479

    Biden is my path to riches.

    Please survive the next 22 months and beat Trump, Joe.

    A good bet, and I hope it comes good for you.

    Most of the stuff thrown at Biden is just ageism, pure and simple.

    Be great to see him win again.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,918

    I’d love to see Biden run again, and win again.

    Very probably the most underrated politician of modern times.

    He does appear to be pretty effective for what many of his more reluctant supporters on his side wrote off as a stopgap president. Indeed, sometimes they seem just as annoyed about him still being their best bet than the Republicans are.

    It is rather remarkable that he ran for the Presiential nomination three times across 32 years before getting it. Don't give up on your dreams, kids!
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    kle4 said:

    I’d love to see Biden run again, and win again.

    Very probably the most underrated politician of modern times.

    He does appear to be pretty effective for what many of his more reluctant supporters on his side wrote off as a stopgap president. Indeed, sometimes they seem just as annoyed about him still being their best bet than the Republicans are.

    It is rather remarkable that he ran for the Presiential nomination three times across 32 years before getting it. Don't give up on your dreams, kids!
    Could you be more specific, as to who "they" are? Seeing has how criticism of Biden has been remarkably muted, considering some of his more controversial decisions.

    Especially the bit about being more annoyed by Biden than Republicans?

    Certainly yours truly has not heard any "Let's Go, Brandon!" chants from Dems - except in jest!
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,918
    Those early primaries in 2020 do come across as pretty funny, looking back. Biden was fourth in Iowa, and fifth in New Hampshire (only 5% ahead of Tulsi Gabbard), before smashing it in South Carolina and then Super Tuesday.

    For even more fun, check this incredibly consequential contest

  • kle4 said:

    I’d love to see Biden run again, and win again.

    Very probably the most underrated politician of modern times.

    He does appear to be pretty effective for what many of his more reluctant supporters on his side wrote off as a stopgap president. Indeed, sometimes they seem just as annoyed about him still being their best bet than the Republicans are.

    It is rather remarkable that he ran for the Presiential nomination three times across 32 years before getting it. Don't give up on your dreams, kids!
    Yet Harvard-Harris has Trump 45 - Biden 41.

    There's a lot of fairly hilarious stuff on here about Biden being the most underrated President when the evidence is fairly damning - he fucked up in Afghanistan, he's messed up with the whole interest rate / pushing money into the economy debacle and his signs to Russia pre-Feb 22 were mixed even if he has (generally) does the right thing since. The reason he will be the D candidate is because the Democrat party hasn't got anyone else.

    As for whether he will win next year, I wonder. A fair few voters won't be happy they got mislaid on the Hunter Biden story last time - independent's trust in the Media
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,297
    kle4 said:

    Farooq said:

    HYUFD said:

    DougSeal said:

    HYUFD said:

    Farooq said:

    HYUFD said:

    Farooq said:

    Chris said:

    ...

    We finally got around to renewing our passports this week. (I haven't travelled abroad for years.)

    We'd thought maybe Paris, to have a nice weekend break.

    Hmmm. Nope.

    No Paris will be fine. In 2024. You'll be lucky to get your new passport back by 2023.

    Went up to Newport, in the Land of Dragons, to collect personally. Got booked in just before the strikes were announced.

    My luck ran out at Paris though!
    Newport? Paris? Much the same thing. Transporter Bridge = Eiffel Tower.
    Also St Woolos Cathedral = Notre Dame. It really is quite spooky:
    image
    image
    Oh wow that takes me back. I had sex in that churchyard.
    It wasn't nearly as warm that night as it seems to be in that photo.
    How disrespectful, it would be a graveyard after all
    So what? Sex isn't wrong and the dead don't care what we do. It's not like I was splashing over someone's floral arrangement.
    It is gross disrespect, a churchyard is a sacred place for Christians connected to the Church. What do you think the reaction would be if you had sex in a Muslim cemetery from your family and Muslim friends?
    It would depend on the quality of the video
    He was also lucky not to be arrested for outraging public decency
    That crime requires that two other people are present and capable of seeing said act. There was nobody else there other than me and my very temporary lover, so you'll have to find a new crime with which to charge me.
    If two people have sex in a public place and no one sees them, has a crime been committed. It's the 'if a trees falls in the forest' of our time.
    Surely by definition, if no one sees you then at the moment of the act it is not a 'public' place. :)
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,297
    ydoethur said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Well... for starters there's no guarantee Biden will even be alive in November 2024.

    He is three years past average life expectancy for a US male so anything he gets from here is a bonus..

    Incorrect. At the age of 80 the average life expectancy of a US male is 87.

    Infant mortality and sudden violent death rather skew the overall average...
    I thought all official life expectancy figures exclude infant mortality (Traditionally anyone under the age of one)
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,918
    edited March 2023

    kle4 said:

    I’d love to see Biden run again, and win again.

    Very probably the most underrated politician of modern times.

    He does appear to be pretty effective for what many of his more reluctant supporters on his side wrote off as a stopgap president. Indeed, sometimes they seem just as annoyed about him still being their best bet than the Republicans are.

    It is rather remarkable that he ran for the Presiential nomination three times across 32 years before getting it. Don't give up on your dreams, kids!
    Could you be more specific, as to who "they" are? Seeing has how criticism of Biden has been remarkably muted, considering some of his more controversial decisions.

    Especially the bit about being more annoyed by Biden than Republicans?

    Certainly yours truly has not heard any "Let's Go, Brandon!" chants from Dems - except in jest!
    It was comic overstatement. But I was referring in jest to people of the more progressive side of things who would clearly prefer someone with less of a centrist presentation and history - I love John Oliver for instance, despite him being super aligned with one side, but he can barely contain his disappointment in Biden sometimes, and it's not in a 'I'm just criticising a Democratic President too' kind of way, but in that very emotionally disappointed way of 'Yes, he's far far better than Trump, but why'd we get stuck with this guy' kind of way. Reference was made even when won that way - I was watching earlier today in fact the episodes after the election, and a joke about this 96 year who talked about voting 'against [Trump] really' rather than 'For Biden', and how that was the same as 20 year old progressives.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,918
    edited March 2023

    kle4 said:

    I’d love to see Biden run again, and win again.

    Very probably the most underrated politician of modern times.

    He does appear to be pretty effective for what many of his more reluctant supporters on his side wrote off as a stopgap president. Indeed, sometimes they seem just as annoyed about him still being their best bet than the Republicans are.

    It is rather remarkable that he ran for the Presiential nomination three times across 32 years before getting it. Don't give up on your dreams, kids!
    Yet Harvard-Harris has Trump 45 - Biden 41.

    There's a lot of fairly hilarious stuff on here about Biden being the most underrated President when the evidence is fairly damning - he fucked up in Afghanistan, he's messed up with the whole interest rate / pushing money into the economy debacle and his signs to Russia pre-Feb 22 were mixed even if he has (generally) does the right thing since. The reason he will be the D candidate is because the Democrat party hasn't got anyone else.

    As for whether he will win next year, I wonder. A fair few voters won't be happy they got mislaid on the Hunter Biden story last time - independent's trust in the Media
    I didn't say I thought he would win against Trump next time. I certainly hope he would, but I don't think it is a given - he won several states last time on a razor's edge, and its easy for incumbents to drop a few points even without any major issues, and even despite Trump doing things that should rattle his own base but which haven't.

    As for being overrated, that depends what superlatives people are using. Messing up on some big stuff but generally getting things right works for me.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,309
    Rishi Sunak is almost half the age of Joe Biden.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,918
    Andy_JS said:

    Rishi Sunak is almost half the age of Joe Biden.

    Yes, I don't know what he is going to do with himself for the next 40 years once he loses the next election. Unless it really does look like Starmer will be one and done expect a mass exodus of young middle ages MPs at the election afterwards.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,918
    edited March 2023
    A rather rose tinted view of the ERG in this conclusion perhaps.

    Perhaps the ERG will muster some final roar and claw over how zealously the government conducts its mission to repeal thousands of EU laws that still linger on the Statute Book. But the pragmatic leaders of both main parties, who clearly just want to move on, will not allow it to be the terror of the division lobbies again. A colourful and sometimes glorious chapter is coming to a close

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-remarkable-fall-of-the-once-mighty-erg/
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    I’d love to see Biden run again, and win again.

    Very probably the most underrated politician of modern times.

    He does appear to be pretty effective for what many of his more reluctant supporters on his side wrote off as a stopgap president. Indeed, sometimes they seem just as annoyed about him still being their best bet than the Republicans are.

    It is rather remarkable that he ran for the Presiential nomination three times across 32 years before getting it. Don't give up on your dreams, kids!
    Could you be more specific, as to who "they" are? Seeing has how criticism of Biden has been remarkably muted, considering some of his more controversial decisions.

    Especially the bit about being more annoyed by Biden than Republicans?

    Certainly yours truly has not heard any "Let's Go, Brandon!" chants from Dems - except in jest!
    It was comic overstatement. But I was referring in jest to people of the more progressive side of things who would clearly prefer someone with less of a centrist presentation and history - I love John Oliver for instance, despite him being super aligned with one side, but he can barely contain his disappointment in Biden sometimes, and it's not in a 'I'm just criticising a Democratic President too' kind of way, but in that very emotionally disappointed way of 'Yes, he's far far better than Trump, but why'd we get stuck with this guy' kind of way. Reference was made even when won that way - I was watching earlier today in fact the episodes after the election, and a joke about this 96 year who talked about voting 'against [Trump] really' rather than 'For Biden', and how that was the same as 20 year old progressives.
    Grumbling about POTUS, from the ranks of the great and glib, as well as the from the ranks (and bowels) of their own party and voter base, is as American as apple pie. And (seems to me) less for #46 than average (at least since the Lincoln administration) at this point in first term.

    Also, mood NOW among Democrats, esp. in backwash of UKR war and repeal of Roe v Wade, and post-midterms where we outperformed our own expectations, is noticeably more positive for Biden.

    Which does NOT mean it's guaranteed to stay that way, OR for how long.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559

    kle4 said:

    I’d love to see Biden run again, and win again.

    Very probably the most underrated politician of modern times.

    He does appear to be pretty effective for what many of his more reluctant supporters on his side wrote off as a stopgap president. Indeed, sometimes they seem just as annoyed about him still being their best bet than the Republicans are.

    It is rather remarkable that he ran for the Presiential nomination three times across 32 years before getting it. Don't give up on your dreams, kids!
    Yet Harvard-Harris has Trump 45 - Biden 41.

    There's a lot of fairly hilarious stuff on here about Biden being the most underrated President when the evidence is fairly damning - he fucked up in Afghanistan, he's messed up with the whole interest rate / pushing money into the economy debacle and his signs to Russia pre-Feb 22 were mixed even if he has (generally) does the right thing since. The reason he will be the D candidate is because the Democrat party hasn't got anyone else.

    As for whether he will win next year, I wonder. A fair few voters won't be happy they got mislaid on the Hunter Biden story last time - independent's trust in the Media
    For starters, plenty of polls, why the one you cite is definitive?

    Voter interest in Hunter Biden in 2024, will be about same order of magnitude, as voter interest in Roger Clinton in 1996, or Nancy Reagan in 1984, or Billy Carter in 1980, or Ed Nixon in 1972, or . . .

    We have a LONG line of dodgy presidential family relations in US history!

    Starting with George Washington's younger brother, Charles.

    Indeed, rumor (begun by yours truly?) has it, that is was "Chas" Washington, who egged his big bro into chopping down that (alleged) cherry tree.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,597
    kle4 said:

    Yes Biden is spry for his age, and yes the USA has more examples of people working on into their later years. The age of these two candidates would still be exceptional though, so I don't know why the 'they are used to older politicians' gets brought out like it doesn't make them being this old still exceptional. It's natural that people would be more alert to signs of that age having an impact, or be wary of any signs of deterioration, things they'd probably write off in younger people.


    If they weren't President and ex President, neither would be running, though.

    It's simply the power of incumbency, which is exceptionally strong in the US, coupled with modern medicine.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,597

    kle4 said:

    I’d love to see Biden run again, and win again.

    Very probably the most underrated politician of modern times.

    He does appear to be pretty effective for what many of his more reluctant supporters on his side wrote off as a stopgap president. Indeed, sometimes they seem just as annoyed about him still being their best bet than the Republicans are.

    It is rather remarkable that he ran for the Presiential nomination three times across 32 years before getting it. Don't give up on your dreams, kids!
    Yet Harvard-Harris has Trump 45 - Biden 41.

    There's a lot of fairly hilarious stuff on here about Biden being the most underrated President when the evidence is fairly damning - he fucked up in Afghanistan, he's messed up with the whole interest rate / pushing money into the economy debacle and his signs to Russia pre-Feb 22 were mixed even if he has (generally) does the right thing since. The reason he will be the D candidate is because the Democrat party hasn't got anyone else.

    As for whether he will win next year, I wonder. A fair few voters won't be happy they got mislaid on the Hunter Biden story last time - independent's trust in the Media
    Trump fucked up Afghanistan.
    You're completely wrong about the signals to Russia - the efforts to stop the invasion were remarkable and unprecedented, over the suave of a year. Short of actually moving forces into Ukraine, and precipitating direct conflict with Russia, there's not much more that the US could have done.
    And the 'pushing money into the economy' is largely a much needed renewal of US infrastructure, together with a revitalisation of US manufacturing and an addressing uf climate change.
    The alternative would have been a disaster for the world.

    As for Hunter Biden, pffft.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,597
    edited March 2023
    Regarding the run up to the invasion, this is an extended account of the administration's efforts.
    https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/02/24/russia-ukraine-war-oral-history-00083757
    Anyone critiquing Biden's efforts should read it in full.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    OOFT!

    "High value transactions including vehicle purchases are being looked at by police investigating allegations of fraud in the SNP"




    https://twitter.com/AgentP22/status/1639751067020738561?s=20
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,385

    OOFT!

    "High value transactions including vehicle purchases are being looked at by police investigating allegations of fraud in the SNP"




    https://twitter.com/AgentP22/status/1639751067020738561?s=20

    Banana Republics are getting pissed off that the SNP is giving them a bad name...
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,175
    This thread has

    forgotten to change its clocks.

  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,385

    kle4 said:

    Farooq said:

    HYUFD said:

    DougSeal said:

    HYUFD said:

    Farooq said:

    HYUFD said:

    Farooq said:

    Chris said:

    ...

    We finally got around to renewing our passports this week. (I haven't travelled abroad for years.)

    We'd thought maybe Paris, to have a nice weekend break.

    Hmmm. Nope.

    No Paris will be fine. In 2024. You'll be lucky to get your new passport back by 2023.

    Went up to Newport, in the Land of Dragons, to collect personally. Got booked in just before the strikes were announced.

    My luck ran out at Paris though!
    Newport? Paris? Much the same thing. Transporter Bridge = Eiffel Tower.
    Also St Woolos Cathedral = Notre Dame. It really is quite spooky:
    image
    image
    Oh wow that takes me back. I had sex in that churchyard.
    It wasn't nearly as warm that night as it seems to be in that photo.
    How disrespectful, it would be a graveyard after all
    So what? Sex isn't wrong and the dead don't care what we do. It's not like I was splashing over someone's floral arrangement.
    It is gross disrespect, a churchyard is a sacred place for Christians connected to the Church. What do you think the reaction would be if you had sex in a Muslim cemetery from your family and Muslim friends?
    It would depend on the quality of the video
    He was also lucky not to be arrested for outraging public decency
    That crime requires that two other people are present and capable of seeing said act. There was nobody else there other than me and my very temporary lover, so you'll have to find a new crime with which to charge me.
    If two people have sex in a public place and no one sees them, has a crime been committed. It's the 'if a trees falls in the forest' of our time.
    Surely by definition, if no one sees you then at the moment of the act it is not a 'public' place. :)
    But constantly on the knife-edge that if someone should see you...

    Isn't that the frisson of excitement that makes up for having your arse on cold marble?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,621
    New thread.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,175

    ydoethur said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Well... for starters there's no guarantee Biden will even be alive in November 2024.

    He is three years past average life expectancy for a US male so anything he gets from here is a bonus..

    Incorrect. At the age of 80 the average life expectancy of a US male is 87.

    Infant mortality and sudden violent death rather skew the overall average...
    I thought all official life expectancy figures exclude infant mortality (Traditionally anyone under the age of one)
    @Richard_Tyndall

    The figure quoted was average life expectancy at birth. Which does include the first year of life.
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