If residential REIT share prices are a decent forward indicator of house prices, then PRSR down ~30% since last summer indicates there may be more pain ahead for the housing market.
Sunak is definitely upping his game. A more pragmatic and less ideologically Thatcherite approach to the strikes, improved Commons performances, and a general sense of him growing into the role.
Some partial improvements in the polls as a result ; it won't be enough to win the Tories the next election, but he might be the only force that could save them from a terrible reduction in seats , and rescue them from irrelevance.
Sunak growing into the role of PM is precisely what Boris failed to do. Great to see the difference between the two.
Boris sank into the role of PM, going native and locking the country down unnecessarily and worse keeping us locked down even after the country had vaccinated the vulnerable.
Had we not had a lockdown, then Boris would probably still be PM now.
It's an interesting counterfactual. Could he really have ridden out the hysteria if we had followed the Swedish approach?
Nevertheless in the round Sweden came out no better and no worse than us in terms of health outcomes and with a lot less economic and hidden social damage.
Quite a bit worse than comparable neighbours on deaths, though. And with restrictions not really that much looser than the UK - more stringent than UK at some time points - despite the initial hype.
ETA: embed didn't work, but see comparison here (using the Oxford index).
E2TA pic:
E3TA: Not to trivialise the differences, which were substantial, particularly in first lockdown periods
Sweden looks like it had 50% of the excess deaths per million vs UK. It did worse than its neighbours but better than most of Europe so make of that what you will.
In particular it is worth quoting this bit in full:
"On some of those measures, Sweden has objectively fared better than countries that prescribed lockdowns. Its young people are doing especially well compared to those of other nations.
"According to an analysis of 15 countries, youngsters on average lost a third of a year’s worth of learning during the pandemic. Unsurprisingly, kids from poor households suffered most. By contrast, a different paper found that Swedish students showed no learning gaps in literacy at all (math skills weren’t part of the study). Nor did the pandemic exacerbate the deficits of less-well-off children.
"The evidence on mental health tells a similar story. An analysis of 11 countries that had lockdowns and school closures shows that depression and anxiety increased dramatically among young people. By contrast, a study of Swedish university students found negligible effects on depression, and even small improvements in anxiety and stress."
As I was saying.
It is of course extremely difficult to weigh the slightly premature deaths of predominantly older people against the blighted lives of those very much younger. We could have a whole thread about that on PB and still not reach a conclusion.
Sunak is definitely upping his game. A more pragmatic and less ideologically Thatcherite approach to the strikes, improved Commons performances, and a general sense of him growing into the role.
Some partial improvements in the polls as a result ; it won't be enough to win the Tories the next election, but he might be the only force that could save them from a terrible reduction in seats , and rescue them from irrelevance.
Sunak growing into the role of PM is precisely what Boris failed to do. Great to see the difference between the two.
Boris sank into the role of PM, going native and locking the country down unnecessarily and worse keeping us locked down even after the country had vaccinated the vulnerable.
Had we not had a lockdown, then Boris would probably still be PM now.
It's an interesting counterfactual. Could he really have ridden out the hysteria if we had followed the Swedish approach?
Nevertheless in the round Sweden came out no better and no worse than us in terms of health outcomes and with a lot less economic and hidden social damage.
Quite a bit worse than comparable neighbours on deaths, though. And with restrictions not really that much looser than the UK - more stringent than UK at some time points - despite the initial hype.
ETA: embed didn't work, but see comparison here (using the Oxford index).
E2TA pic:
E3TA: Not to trivialise the differences, which were substantial, particularly in first lockdown periods
Sweden looks like it had 50% of the excess deaths per million vs UK. It did worse than its neighbours but better than most of Europe so make of that what you will.
In particular it is worth quoting this bit in full:
"On some of those measures, Sweden has objectively fared better than countries that prescribed lockdowns. Its young people are doing especially well compared to those of other nations.
"According to an analysis of 15 countries, youngsters on average lost a third of a year’s worth of learning during the pandemic. Unsurprisingly, kids from poor households suffered most. By contrast, a different paper found that Swedish students showed no learning gaps in literacy at all (math skills weren’t part of the study). Nor did the pandemic exacerbate the deficits of less-well-off children.
"The evidence on mental health tells a similar story. An analysis of 11 countries that had lockdowns and school closures shows that depression and anxiety increased dramatically among young people. By contrast, a study of Swedish university students found negligible effects on depression, and even small improvements in anxiety and stress."
As I was saying.
It is of course extremely difficult to weigh the slightly premature deaths of predominantly older people against the blighted lives of those very much younger. We could have a whole thread about that on PB and still not reach a conclusion.
Absolutely and even respected and wise PB posters blathering on about the "150,000 excess deaths" as though that, although an undoubted tragedy, is the only factor.
I am just hearing "blah, blah, blah", if you can't blind with science, baffle with bullsh*t.
It's not about Partygate, it is about LYING to Parliament.
The expression 'he protests too much' comes to mind and my good lady has just said this is painful to listen to
I switched it off in the end. It still pains me to think that this idiot was once PM of our great country, and the choice was between him and Corbyn. Our two party system needs radical reform.
Sunak is definitely upping his game. A more pragmatic and less ideologically Thatcherite approach to the strikes, improved Commons performances, and a general sense of him growing into the role.
Some partial improvements in the polls as a result ; it won't be enough to win the Tories the next election, but he might be the only force that could save them from a terrible reduction in seats , and rescue them from irrelevance.
Sunak growing into the role of PM is precisely what Boris failed to do. Great to see the difference between the two.
Boris sank into the role of PM, going native and locking the country down unnecessarily and worse keeping us locked down even after the country had vaccinated the vulnerable.
Had we not had a lockdown, then Boris would probably still be PM now.
It's an interesting counterfactual. Could he really have ridden out the hysteria if we had followed the Swedish approach?
Nevertheless in the round Sweden came out no better and no worse than us in terms of health outcomes and with a lot less economic and hidden social damage.
Quite a bit worse than comparable neighbours on deaths, though. And with restrictions not really that much looser than the UK - more stringent than UK at some time points - despite the initial hype.
ETA: embed didn't work, but see comparison here (using the Oxford index).
E2TA pic:
E3TA: Not to trivialise the differences, which were substantial, particularly in first lockdown periods
Sweden looks like it had 50% of the excess deaths per million vs UK. It did worse than its neighbours but better than most of Europe so make of that what you will.
In particular it is worth quoting this bit in full:
"On some of those measures, Sweden has objectively fared better than countries that prescribed lockdowns. Its young people are doing especially well compared to those of other nations.
"According to an analysis of 15 countries, youngsters on average lost a third of a year’s worth of learning during the pandemic. Unsurprisingly, kids from poor households suffered most. By contrast, a different paper found that Swedish students showed no learning gaps in literacy at all (math skills weren’t part of the study). Nor did the pandemic exacerbate the deficits of less-well-off children.
"The evidence on mental health tells a similar story. An analysis of 11 countries that had lockdowns and school closures shows that depression and anxiety increased dramatically among young people. By contrast, a study of Swedish university students found negligible effects on depression, and even small improvements in anxiety and stress."
As I was saying.
It is of course extremely difficult to weigh the slightly premature deaths of predominantly older people against the blighted lives of those very much younger. We could have a whole thread about that on PB and still not reach a conclusion.
The government, the experts and the media didn't find it difficult at all: the correct ratio was quickly agreed on as 1:0.
I am just hearing "blah, blah, blah", if you can't blind with science, baffle with bullsh*t.
It's not about Partygate, it is about LYING to Parliament.
The expression 'he protests too much' comes to mind and my good lady has just said this is painful to listen to
I switched it off in the end. It still pains me to think that this idiot was once PM of our great country, and the choice was between him and Corbyn. Our two party system needs radical reform.
In a multi party system under PR Johnson could lead RefUK, Corbyn the TUSC, while Starmer still led Labour and Sunak still led the Tories
I am just hearing "blah, blah, blah", if you can't blind with science, baffle with bullsh*t.
It's not about Partygate, it is about LYING to Parliament.
The expression 'he protests too much' comes to mind and my good lady has just said this is painful to listen to
I switched it off in the end. It still pains me to think that this idiot was once PM of our great country, and the choice was between him and Corbyn. Our two party system needs radical reform.
It does. But how do you do that without it quickly settling into a left block and a right block, the leaders of which are effectively the only candidates for PM?
Sunak is definitely upping his game. A more pragmatic and less ideologically Thatcherite approach to the strikes, improved Commons performances, and a general sense of him growing into the role.
Some partial improvements in the polls as a result ; it won't be enough to win the Tories the next election, but he might be the only force that could save them from a terrible reduction in seats , and rescue them from irrelevance.
Sunak growing into the role of PM is precisely what Boris failed to do. Great to see the difference between the two.
Boris sank into the role of PM, going native and locking the country down unnecessarily and worse keeping us locked down even after the country had vaccinated the vulnerable.
Had we not had a lockdown, then Boris would probably still be PM now.
It's an interesting counterfactual. Could he really have ridden out the hysteria if we had followed the Swedish approach?
Nevertheless in the round Sweden came out no better and no worse than us in terms of health outcomes and with a lot less economic and hidden social damage.
Quite a bit worse than comparable neighbours on deaths, though. And with restrictions not really that much looser than the UK - more stringent than UK at some time points - despite the initial hype.
ETA: embed didn't work, but see comparison here (using the Oxford index).
E2TA pic:
E3TA: Not to trivialise the differences, which were substantial, particularly in first lockdown periods
Sweden looks like it had 50% of the excess deaths per million vs UK. It did worse than its neighbours but better than most of Europe so make of that what you will.
In particular it is worth quoting this bit in full:
"On some of those measures, Sweden has objectively fared better than countries that prescribed lockdowns. Its young people are doing especially well compared to those of other nations.
"According to an analysis of 15 countries, youngsters on average lost a third of a year’s worth of learning during the pandemic. Unsurprisingly, kids from poor households suffered most. By contrast, a different paper found that Swedish students showed no learning gaps in literacy at all (math skills weren’t part of the study). Nor did the pandemic exacerbate the deficits of less-well-off children.
"The evidence on mental health tells a similar story. An analysis of 11 countries that had lockdowns and school closures shows that depression and anxiety increased dramatically among young people. By contrast, a study of Swedish university students found negligible effects on depression, and even small improvements in anxiety and stress."
One of the problems, as @Selebian notes, is that comparisons between countries are notoriously tough when countries themselves have varying degrees of restrictions by locality.
This is obvious in the US (New York vs Florida), but is tough even inside States. DeSantis was - to my mind - absolutely right have only minimal restrictions at the State level, but to allow Cities and Counties extensive freedom to set restrictions.
And the same is true of Sweden, where Stockholm had significantly more restrictions than rural counties.
With that said, I think the UK's lockdown was both too long, and absurdly strict. One could have achieved 90+% of the reduction in R, with many fewer restrictions.
Sunak is definitely upping his game. A more pragmatic and less ideologically Thatcherite approach to the strikes, improved Commons performances, and a general sense of him growing into the role.
Some partial improvements in the polls as a result ; it won't be enough to win the Tories the next election, but he might be the only force that could save them from a terrible reduction in seats , and rescue them from irrelevance.
Sunak growing into the role of PM is precisely what Boris failed to do. Great to see the difference between the two.
Boris sank into the role of PM, going native and locking the country down unnecessarily and worse keeping us locked down even after the country had vaccinated the vulnerable.
Had we not had a lockdown, then Boris would probably still be PM now.
It's an interesting counterfactual. Could he really have ridden out the hysteria if we had followed the Swedish approach?
Nevertheless in the round Sweden came out no better and no worse than us in terms of health outcomes and with a lot less economic and hidden social damage.
Quite a bit worse than comparable neighbours on deaths, though. And with restrictions not really that much looser than the UK - more stringent than UK at some time points - despite the initial hype.
ETA: embed didn't work, but see comparison here (using the Oxford index).
E2TA pic:
E3TA: Not to trivialise the differences, which were substantial, particularly in first lockdown periods
Sweden looks like it had 50% of the excess deaths per million vs UK. It did worse than its neighbours but better than most of Europe so make of that what you will.
In particular it is worth quoting this bit in full:
"On some of those measures, Sweden has objectively fared better than countries that prescribed lockdowns. Its young people are doing especially well compared to those of other nations.
"According to an analysis of 15 countries, youngsters on average lost a third of a year’s worth of learning during the pandemic. Unsurprisingly, kids from poor households suffered most. By contrast, a different paper found that Swedish students showed no learning gaps in literacy at all (math skills weren’t part of the study). Nor did the pandemic exacerbate the deficits of less-well-off children.
"The evidence on mental health tells a similar story. An analysis of 11 countries that had lockdowns and school closures shows that depression and anxiety increased dramatically among young people. By contrast, a study of Swedish university students found negligible effects on depression, and even small improvements in anxiety and stress."
As I was saying.
It is of course extremely difficult to weigh the slightly premature deaths of predominantly older people against the blighted lives of those very much younger. We could have a whole thread about that on PB and still not reach a conclusion.
Pretty easy from a financial perspective.
Older people (generally) will have a negative Free Cash Flow profile given they will be disproportionate consumers of health services, their pensions, that they (generally) tend not to be as big consumer spenders as younger people and, not least, do not pay tax.
Younger people (again generally) will have a positive Free Cash Flow profile given they will work, contribute, use fewer services etc.
I am just hearing "blah, blah, blah", if you can't blind with science, baffle with bullsh*t.
It's not about Partygate, it is about LYING to Parliament.
The expression 'he protests too much' comes to mind and my good lady has just said this is painful to listen to
I switched it off in the end. It still pains me to think that this idiot was once PM of our great country, and the choice was between him and Corbyn. Our two party system needs radical reform.
It does. But how do you do that without it quickly settling into a left block and a right block, the leaders of which are effectively the only candidates for PM?
The leaders are chosen by memberships that are a bare fraction of the total electorate.
Sunak is definitely upping his game. A more pragmatic and less ideologically Thatcherite approach to the strikes, improved Commons performances, and a general sense of him growing into the role.
Some partial improvements in the polls as a result ; it won't be enough to win the Tories the next election, but he might be the only force that could save them from a terrible reduction in seats , and rescue them from irrelevance.
Sunak growing into the role of PM is precisely what Boris failed to do. Great to see the difference between the two.
Boris sank into the role of PM, going native and locking the country down unnecessarily and worse keeping us locked down even after the country had vaccinated the vulnerable.
Had we not had a lockdown, then Boris would probably still be PM now.
It's an interesting counterfactual. Could he really have ridden out the hysteria if we had followed the Swedish approach?
Nevertheless in the round Sweden came out no better and no worse than us in terms of health outcomes and with a lot less economic and hidden social damage.
Quite a bit worse than comparable neighbours on deaths, though. And with restrictions not really that much looser than the UK - more stringent than UK at some time points - despite the initial hype.
ETA: embed didn't work, but see comparison here (using the Oxford index).
E2TA pic:
E3TA: Not to trivialise the differences, which were substantial, particularly in first lockdown periods
Sweden looks like it had 50% of the excess deaths per million vs UK. It did worse than its neighbours but better than most of Europe so make of that what you will.
In particular it is worth quoting this bit in full:
"On some of those measures, Sweden has objectively fared better than countries that prescribed lockdowns. Its young people are doing especially well compared to those of other nations.
"According to an analysis of 15 countries, youngsters on average lost a third of a year’s worth of learning during the pandemic. Unsurprisingly, kids from poor households suffered most. By contrast, a different paper found that Swedish students showed no learning gaps in literacy at all (math skills weren’t part of the study). Nor did the pandemic exacerbate the deficits of less-well-off children.
"The evidence on mental health tells a similar story. An analysis of 11 countries that had lockdowns and school closures shows that depression and anxiety increased dramatically among young people. By contrast, a study of Swedish university students found negligible effects on depression, and even small improvements in anxiety and stress."
The first year of lockdowns was definitely way way stricter in the UK than in Sweden - if the Oxford Stringency Index doesn't show this it just proves that the index is a waste of time. You have to look and compare the actual measures in place, the Stringency Index doesn't do this. It is a very blunt instrument that seems to be based on incomplete information. It doesn't even seem to include a variable for closing non-essential shops etc, but does include a variable for 'public information campaign' which isn't a lockdown restriction.
Eg, for schools the options are: 0 - No measures 1 - recommend closing 2 - Require closing (only some levels or categories, eg just high school, or just public schools) 3 - Require closing all levels
Which completely fails to capture the variety of measures in place in different places.
I am just hearing "blah, blah, blah", if you can't blind with science, baffle with bullsh*t.
It's not about Partygate, it is about LYING to Parliament.
The expression 'he protests too much' comes to mind and my good lady has just said this is painful to listen to
I switched it off in the end. It still pains me to think that this idiot was once PM of our great country, and the choice was between him and Corbyn. Our two party system needs radical reform.
It does. But how do you do that without it quickly settling into a left block and a right block, the leaders of which are effectively the only candidates for PM?
The leaders are chosen by memberships that are a bare fraction of the total electorate.
Indeed so. PR won't change that. Nor will it change that the Tory and Labour leaders are effectively the only candidates for PM, because even under PR neither party is going below 25% even in the direst circumstances for them.
It isn't clear where developed countries are going in the long term regards family formation, fertility rates and male inclusion.
The problem being that religious people have larger families and hence evolution is working against common sense?
Declining religious views may be a factor but it isn't what the interviewee is talking about. More single people, fewer children, an ageing population and an increasing number of men bereft of purpose, drive and optimism.
Like those of us reduced to sadly sitting alone and posting comment on PB all day? Including some claiming otherwise to be internationally renowned authors and travel correspondents?
Some of those drawing attention to the issue may be annoying but the problem is very real.
I'll admit as a 40 year old single man that I'm part of the problem I guess! Whilst some on the left blame post-2010 austerity and expensive UK childcare, I hadn't realised how much it is true of other western countries as well. The trend is similar.
My wife commented at my rowing club Christmas dinner that the groupings were
1) The serious rowers 2) The 30 somethings looking for a partner 3) The ancient (like me) trying to get some exercise
Time to tell the DUP that if they don't grow up then the rules will be changed to stop them blocking Stormont?
If they want to be part of the UK, how about they follow what the UK Parliament wants.
And wants by 515 to 29. It could not be more clear cut.
So you want to save the peace process by destroying the peace process?
The reason that the largest party on each side has a block on the process was that was the price for getting SF onboard, originally.
Bit late to say - "That's a Nationalist/Republican veto only".
I've said it before.
After selecting, rewarding and giving treats to face eating leopards for decades, don't be surprised when face eating leopardry becomes awfully fashionable.
I am just hearing "blah, blah, blah", if you can't blind with science, baffle with bullsh*t.
It's not about Partygate, it is about LYING to Parliament.
The expression 'he protests too much' comes to mind and my good lady has just said this is painful to listen to
I switched it off in the end. It still pains me to think that this idiot was once PM of our great country, and the choice was between him and Corbyn. Our two party system needs radical reform.
In a multi party system under PR Johnson could lead RefUK, Corbyn the TUSC, while Starmer still led Labour and Sunak still led the Tories
What a shame that your party has set itself irrevocably against such an improvement to our national politics, then.
23 Tories voting no apparently. Disaster for the ERG.
Who was the poster who predicted 100-150 Tory rebels?
HYUFD said it will reflect the support Johnson has in parliament. lol.
I didn't make any prediction on figures however.
You must be in despair
As I predicted the ERG are irrelevant now
I voted for Sunak in the leadership election not Truss if you recall, so I am actually more pro Sunak than most Conservative members
I have just collapsed laughing
Only 43% of Conservative members voted for Rishi like me, 57% voted for Truss
In the Conservative Party though unlike the other main parties MPs put forward only 2 candidates to members and MPs alone can VONC the party leader.
Labour or the SNP though are stuck with an extreme leader until either they resign or most members turn against them. The LDs are too but their leaders are normally moderates
Contemporary Ugandan attitudes towards homosexuality are heavily influenced by the legacy of Kabaka Mwanga in the 1880’s.
It’s one of the key Ugandan founding myths.
Very little journalism covering the story shows any understanding of this.
They’ve taken our bullshit colonialism and run with it.
It’s more of a reaction against colonialism.
France abolished laws against gay sex in 1791, so, it was never a crime in the French Empire. But most former French colonies made it so, after independence.
Most former British colonies made the laws more stringent.
It will still be our fault, somehow.
These post by @Casino_Royale & @felix display extreme ignorance. You’ve both chosen to misrepresent what I posted and turn it into a cheap point in the British right wing culture war.
Do you have even the most basic understanding of Ugandan history? Or the political debate about homosexuality in Uganda since the mid 2000’s?
You don’t think Namugongo is relevant? Why is Uganda so much more hostile to homosexuality vis-a-vis other African countries?
If you are remotely interested/concerned about homophobia in Uganda, you have to understand the political weaponisation of the Uganda martyrs in the project of nation building.
As I said, they’ve taken our colonial bullshit and run with it. How is that not true?
Homosexuality is also illegal in most of the former French colonies in North Africa. South Africa though, which was part of the British Empire, is the only African nation where homosexual marriage is legal
Legality is one thing, day-to-day social/religious/state repression, another.
Life can be pretty shitty for queers in SA, despite its legality, while being surprisingly unproblematic for queers in other places where homosexuality is illegal.
Homophobia in Uganda is a bit a special case. It is intrinsically linked to colonialism and the legacy of the king of Buganda - Kabaka Mwanga II’s tyrannical rule - his sexual abuse of his male pages, their conversion to Christianity and execution.
The founding myth of the entire, fragile post-colonial entity that is Uganda is rooted in their ancestors being martyred for standing against homosexuality. Ugandans largely buy into this interpretation of their history and for many is a key foundation of their faith.
We would see it as a simple abuse of power, the homosexuality and religious angles, unimportant.
But that ain’t how your average Ugandan sees it.
For Museveni, homophobia/homosexuality also plays into his management of the complex relationship between the centre (and the other tribes) and the Baganda.
Last nights vote in Kampala cannot be explained without reference to British colonialism.
The PB right wingers are just, flat out wrong.
I always understood that Mwanga was a link to an older Ugandan tradition of being very open to gay and trans people within its culture. I assumed the point you were making was that we came in and ended that by applying our 19th century Christian laws, and now they are stuck with them and the religion that grew out of what we gave them.
I’m interested if it’s more complex than that?
Given that he murdered the pages, prior to Uganda becoming a British Protectorate, it’s not immediately apparent that the British are to blame.
a) We introduced the religion. b) The East India Company was there and we were responsible for it; but c) I think “blame” is a pointless concept in history once everyone involved is dead, and my overall view is that the Empire was more good than bad, but we should still recognise the bad (whilst noting that, in this case, at the time it would have been viewed as sensible morality).
The whole thing is demeaning. The man's a congenital liar.
He's a horror show. Quite a harmless one now. Watching him squirm doesn't seem t be serving a purpose. It only reminds Tory MPs and Brexiteers of their stupidity but it's now far too late.
23 Tories voting no apparently. Disaster for the ERG.
Who was the poster who predicted 100-150 Tory rebels?
HYUFD said it will reflect the support Johnson has in parliament. lol.
I didn't make any prediction on figures however.
You must be in despair
As I predicted the ERG are irrelevant now
I voted for Sunak in the leadership election not Truss if you recall, so I am actually more pro Sunak than most Conservative members
I have just collapsed laughing
Only 43% of Conservative members voted for Rishi like me, 57% voted for Truss
In the Conservative Party though unlike the other main parties MPs put forward only 2 candidates to members and MPs alone can VONC the party leader.
Labour or the SNP though are stuck with an extreme leader until either they resign or most members turn against them. The LDs are too but their leaders are normally moderates
I do think that the Conservative leadership process is the best of the main parties.
23 Tories voting no apparently. Disaster for the ERG.
Who was the poster who predicted 100-150 Tory rebels?
HYUFD said it will reflect the support Johnson has in parliament. lol.
I didn't make any prediction on figures however.
You must be in despair
As I predicted the ERG are irrelevant now
I voted for Sunak in the leadership election not Truss if you recall, so I am actually more pro Sunak than most Conservative members
I have just collapsed laughing
Only 43% of Conservative members voted for Rishi like me, 57% voted for Truss
In the Conservative Party though unlike the other main parties MPs put forward only 2 candidates to members and MPs alone can VONC the party leader.
Labour or the SNP though are stuck with an extreme leader until either they resign or most members turn against them. The LDs are too but their leaders are normally moderates
I do think that the Conservative leadership process is the best of the main parties.
I think it's fine for opposition but in government there's a strong argument for either cutting the members out of the process, or perhaps reversing it - members pick the shortlist but MPs have the final say.
Hmmm. The reflective majority is, what, 60? So if there were 20 rebels then Rishi looks like he has a working majority of 20. That’ll do. Completely safe until the election and can get through most things he might want. Also suggest the Small Boats legislation will get through in the end, since that result means he has some good will.
23 Tories voting no apparently. Disaster for the ERG.
Who was the poster who predicted 100-150 Tory rebels?
HYUFD said it will reflect the support Johnson has in parliament. lol.
I didn't make any prediction on figures however.
You must be in despair
As I predicted the ERG are irrelevant now
I voted for Sunak in the leadership election not Truss if you recall, so I am actually more pro Sunak than most Conservative members
I have just collapsed laughing
Only 43% of Conservative members voted for Rishi like me, 57% voted for Truss
In the Conservative Party though unlike the other main parties MPs put forward only 2 candidates to members and MPs alone can VONC the party leader.
Labour or the SNP though are stuck with an extreme leader until either they resign or most members turn against them. The LDs are too but their leaders are normally moderates
This post makes no sense. Are you Boris Johnson and are you posting whilst being interviewed by Bernard Jenkin?
Contemporary Ugandan attitudes towards homosexuality are heavily influenced by the legacy of Kabaka Mwanga in the 1880’s.
It’s one of the key Ugandan founding myths.
Very little journalism covering the story shows any understanding of this.
They’ve taken our bullshit colonialism and run with it.
It’s more of a reaction against colonialism.
France abolished laws against gay sex in 1791, so, it was never a crime in the French Empire. But most former French colonies made it so, after independence.
Most former British colonies made the laws more stringent.
It will still be our fault, somehow.
These post by @Casino_Royale & @felix display extreme ignorance. You’ve both chosen to misrepresent what I posted and turn it into a cheap point in the British right wing culture war.
Do you have even the most basic understanding of Ugandan history? Or the political debate about homosexuality in Uganda since the mid 2000’s?
You don’t think Namugongo is relevant? Why is Uganda so much more hostile to homosexuality vis-a-vis other African countries?
If you are remotely interested/concerned about homophobia in Uganda, you have to understand the political weaponisation of the Uganda martyrs in the project of nation building.
As I said, they’ve taken our colonial bullshit and run with it. How is that not true?
Homosexuality is also illegal in most of the former French colonies in North Africa. South Africa though, which was part of the British Empire, is the only African nation where homosexual marriage is legal
Legality is one thing, day-to-day social/religious/state repression, another.
Life can be pretty shitty for queers in SA, despite its legality, while being surprisingly unproblematic for queers in other places where homosexuality is illegal.
Homophobia in Uganda is a bit a special case. It is intrinsically linked to colonialism and the legacy of the king of Buganda - Kabaka Mwanga II’s tyrannical rule - his sexual abuse of his male pages, their conversion to Christianity and execution.
The founding myth of the entire, fragile post-colonial entity that is Uganda is rooted in their ancestors being martyred for standing against homosexuality. Ugandans largely buy into this interpretation of their history and for many is a key foundation of their faith.
We would see it as a simple abuse of power, the homosexuality and religious angles, unimportant.
But that ain’t how your average Ugandan sees it.
For Museveni, homophobia/homosexuality also plays into his management of the complex relationship between the centre (and the other tribes) and the Baganda.
Last nights vote in Kampala cannot be explained without reference to British colonialism.
The PB right wingers are just, flat out wrong.
I always understood that Mwanga was a link to an older Ugandan tradition of being very open to gay and trans people within its culture. I assumed the point you were making was that we came in and ended that by applying our 19th century Christian laws, and now they are stuck with them and the religion that grew out of what we gave them.
I’m interested if it’s more complex than that?
Given that he murdered the pages, prior to Uganda becoming a British Protectorate, it’s not immediately apparent that the British are to blame.
a) We introduced the religion. b) The East India Company was there and we were responsible for it; but c) I think “blame” is a pointless concept in history once everyone involved is dead, and my overall view is that the Empire was more good than bad, but we should still recognise the bad (whilst noting that, in this case, at the time it would have been viewed as sensible morality).
More than one religion, of course, since at that time there was also a strong Catholic movement introduced by other European missionaries - along with Islam. Complicated and messy, even by colonial standards.
Hmmm. The reflective majority is, what, 60? So if there were 20 rebels then Rishi looks like he has a working majority of 20. That’ll do. Completely safe until the election and can get through most things he might want. Also suggest the Small Boats legislation will get through in the end, since that result means he has some good will.
23 Tories voting no apparently. Disaster for the ERG.
Who was the poster who predicted 100-150 Tory rebels?
HYUFD said it will reflect the support Johnson has in parliament. lol.
I didn't make any prediction on figures however.
You must be in despair
As I predicted the ERG are irrelevant now
I voted for Sunak in the leadership election not Truss if you recall, so I am actually more pro Sunak than most Conservative members
I have just collapsed laughing
Only 43% of Conservative members voted for Rishi like me, 57% voted for Truss
In the Conservative Party though unlike the other main parties MPs put forward only 2 candidates to members and MPs alone can VONC the party leader.
Labour or the SNP though are stuck with an extreme leader until either they resign or most members turn against them. The LDs are too but their leaders are normally moderates
I do think that the Conservative leadership process is the best of the main parties.
I think it's fine for opposition but in government there's a strong argument for either cutting the members out of the process, or perhaps reversing it - members pick the shortlist but MPs have the final say.
IMHO the members should choose the party chairman only. The MPs know the individuals, plus they are elected by normal people (caveat needed) who are not necessarily political geeks. MPs voting for party leaders is actually the most democratic
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If Jenkyn's is supposed to be on Boris's side.... Boris is a gonner
From the last time they faced each other in a Committee room, I think that's exceedingly unlikely. They appeared then to despise each other - and Jenkin gave him an pretty good roasting at the time.
"Treating people as mature and responsible citizens paid off for Sweden."
It is depressing that the common consensus, certainly on PB, is/was that you can't trust the Brits and that given half a chance we would all go and kill granny at a moment's notice.
I don't believe that is the case and am suspicious of those who take such a line.
Sunak is definitely upping his game. A more pragmatic and less ideologically Thatcherite approach to the strikes, improved Commons performances, and a general sense of him growing into the role.
Some partial improvements in the polls as a result ; it won't be enough to win the Tories the next election, but he might be the only force that could save them from a terrible reduction in seats , and rescue them from irrelevance.
Sunak growing into the role of PM is precisely what Boris failed to do. Great to see the difference between the two.
Boris sank into the role of PM, going native and locking the country down unnecessarily and worse keeping us locked down even after the country had vaccinated the vulnerable.
Had we not had a lockdown, then Boris would probably still be PM now.
It's an interesting counterfactual. Could he really have ridden out the hysteria if we had followed the Swedish approach?
Nevertheless in the round Sweden came out no better and no worse than us in terms of health outcomes and with a lot less economic and hidden social damage.
Quite a bit worse than comparable neighbours on deaths, though. And with restrictions not really that much looser than the UK - more stringent than UK at some time points - despite the initial hype.
ETA: embed didn't work, but see comparison here (using the Oxford index).
E2TA pic:
E3TA: Not to trivialise the differences, which were substantial, particularly in first lockdown periods
Sweden looks like it had 50% of the excess deaths per million vs UK. It did worse than its neighbours but better than most of Europe so make of that what you will.
In particular it is worth quoting this bit in full:
"On some of those measures, Sweden has objectively fared better than countries that prescribed lockdowns. Its young people are doing especially well compared to those of other nations.
"According to an analysis of 15 countries, youngsters on average lost a third of a year’s worth of learning during the pandemic. Unsurprisingly, kids from poor households suffered most. By contrast, a different paper found that Swedish students showed no learning gaps in literacy at all (math skills weren’t part of the study). Nor did the pandemic exacerbate the deficits of less-well-off children.
"The evidence on mental health tells a similar story. An analysis of 11 countries that had lockdowns and school closures shows that depression and anxiety increased dramatically among young people. By contrast, a study of Swedish university students found negligible effects on depression, and even small improvements in anxiety and stress."
Yep. There were many things wrong with the UK approach. Undoubtedly some benefits to the Swedish approach. But it's wrong to pretend either that Sweden is comparable, on a national basis, to the UK in terms of natural ability of the virus to spread or that Sweden essentially no restrictions. Neither is true.
So, a better comparison is with it's more similar neighbours - very interesting to look at e.g. the literacy/lost schooling and effects in the more comparable countries that had stricter lockdowns (not in the article, but maybe in the links, which I haven't followed).
It's a shame, epidemiologically, that a more comparable country to the UK didn't take a Sweden-like approach.
FWIW, I think we all have a lot to learn from Sweden for next time, but some of that is in relation to preparedness and levels of healthcare resilience etc. It's my view, raving left academic that I am, that we have a lot to learn from Sweden across a whole range of areas. We'd have to be prepared to pay for it though.
23 Tories voting no apparently. Disaster for the ERG.
Who was the poster who predicted 100-150 Tory rebels?
HYUFD said it will reflect the support Johnson has in parliament. lol.
I didn't make any prediction on figures however.
You must be in despair
As I predicted the ERG are irrelevant now
I voted for Sunak in the leadership election not Truss if you recall, so I am actually more pro Sunak than most Conservative members
I have just collapsed laughing
Only 43% of Conservative members voted for Rishi like me, 57% voted for Truss
In the Conservative Party though unlike the other main parties MPs put forward only 2 candidates to members and MPs alone can VONC the party leader.
Labour or the SNP though are stuck with an extreme leader until either they resign or most members turn against them. The LDs are too but their leaders are normally moderates
I do think that the Conservative leadership process is the best of the main parties.
I think it's fine for opposition but in government there's a strong argument for either cutting the members out of the process, or perhaps reversing it - members pick the shortlist but MPs have the final say.
IMHO the members should choose the party chairman only. The MPs know the individuals, plus they are elected by normal people (caveat needed) who are not necessarily political geeks. MPs voting for party leaders is actually the most democratic
No in opposition members should get the final say and let the public decide if they want to make the leader they chose PM at a general election.
In government though yes MPs alone should choose the new PM
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23 Tories voting no apparently. Disaster for the ERG.
Who was the poster who predicted 100-150 Tory rebels?
HYUFD said it will reflect the support Johnson has in parliament. lol.
I didn't make any prediction on figures however.
You must be in despair
As I predicted the ERG are irrelevant now
I voted for Sunak in the leadership election not Truss if you recall, so I am actually more pro Sunak than most Conservative members
I have just collapsed laughing
Only 43% of Conservative members voted for Rishi like me, 57% voted for Truss
In the Conservative Party though unlike the other main parties MPs put forward only 2 candidates to members and MPs alone can VONC the party leader.
Labour or the SNP though are stuck with an extreme leader until either they resign or most members turn against them. The LDs are too but their leaders are normally moderates
I do think that the Conservative leadership process is the best of the main parties.
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This list? Were you asked who are the maddest Conservative MPs in Parliament. I hadn't realised Prue Leith minor was a bonkers Brexiteer.
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A bit racist to call Adam Afriyie err Adam Africa.
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Roll call of the biggest fruit loops in the Tory Party?
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Remove the whip from them all
I think the 6 DUPers are following their whip and the Independent owns his own whip!
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A bit racist to call Adam Afriyie err Adam Africa.
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A bit racist to call Adam Afriyie err Adam Africa.
I'm guessing that was auto-incorrect. Does that sort of thing to me all the time.
Just tried typing it, and corrected to 'Afire'. Also suggests 'Affray'.
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This list? Were you asked who are the maddest Conservative MPs in Parliament. I hadn't realised Prue Leith minor was a bonkers Brexiteer.
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Is that all they could muster? Looks as though the sleazy Tories are on a slide.....
Fearless Forecast - much HEAVY lifting attempted by the PB BoJo Brigade today.
With Fear of Keir way more than palpable, more like pulsating.
I’m not sure if there’s anyone left in the PB BoJo brigade is there? I think most of them have jumped ship. Leon was the last seen on the bridge I think, and then just for the LOLs
@HYUFD struggles but most of us want Johnson gone and in my case have supported Sunak for over a year and do see him as the future of the conservative party and able to mitigate the GE24 result
Today in PMQs he was virtually bouncing with confidence, maybe at the thought of taking on Johnson and the ERG, and his put down of Starmer when Starmer raised Sunak's FPN was perfect
What was it, Big G?
Starmer referred to Sunak's FPN and in his reply Sunak said he wanted to address it directly by saying he arrived at the scheduled meeting and accepted the FPN and apologised, but we all now know that the leader of the opposition was being advised by Sue Gray at the time
How can she have been advising Starmer at the time? She hasn't got the job yet. If Sunak wants to do Johnson's dirty work for him by trashing a dedicated public servant that's not a great endorsement of the idea that he represents a break from Johnsonian sleaze. Still, he got the lolz from the Tory fanbois.
Chill. It was a good joke. Oh if only people didn't take obvious jokes so seriously on PB.
Jokes on PB are different from the PM speaking in the House of Commons and trashing government employees, aren't they?
Jokes are good because there is an element of truth in them. As was the case here.
It was just trashy BS, pure Johnsonian bilge and a sign the Tories haven't moved on from his era. The FPN was issued by the police, Sue Gray had nothing to do with it.
Hansard is out and, lo and behold! Sunak didn't say she did.
Let me just address the issue that the right hon. and learned Gentleman raised, because I said at the time that I respected the decision that the police reached, and I offered an unreserved apology. For the avoidance of doubt, at the moment that that happened, there was a full investigation by a very senior civil servant, the findings of which confirmed that I had no advance knowledge about what had been planned, having arrived early for a meeting. But he does not need me to tell him that; he has probably spoken to the report’s author much more frequently than I have.
Fearless Forecast - much HEAVY lifting attempted by the PB BoJo Brigade today.
With Fear of Keir way more than palpable, more like pulsating.
I’m not sure if there’s anyone left in the PB BoJo brigade is there? I think most of them have jumped ship. Leon was the last seen on the bridge I think, and then just for the LOLs
@HYUFD struggles but most of us want Johnson gone and in my case have supported Sunak for over a year and do see him as the future of the conservative party and able to mitigate the GE24 result
Today in PMQs he was virtually bouncing with confidence, maybe at the thought of taking on Johnson and the ERG, and his put down of Starmer when Starmer raised Sunak's FPN was perfect
What was it, Big G?
Starmer referred to Sunak's FPN and in his reply Sunak said he wanted to address it directly by saying he arrived at the scheduled meeting and accepted the FPN and apologised, but we all now know that the leader of the opposition was being advised by Sue Gray at the time
How can she have been advising Starmer at the time? She hasn't got the job yet. If Sunak wants to do Johnson's dirty work for him by trashing a dedicated public servant that's not a great endorsement of the idea that he represents a break from Johnsonian sleaze. Still, he got the lolz from the Tory fanbois.
Chill. It was a good joke. Oh if only people didn't take obvious jokes so seriously on PB.
Jokes on PB are different from the PM speaking in the House of Commons and trashing government employees, aren't they?
Jokes are good because there is an element of truth in them. As was the case here.
It was just trashy BS, pure Johnsonian bilge and a sign the Tories haven't moved on from his era. The FPN was issued by the police, Sue Gray had nothing to do with it.
Hansard is out and, lo and behold! Sunak didn't say she did.
Let me just address the issue that the right hon. and learned Gentleman raised, because I said at the time that I respected the decision that the police reached, and I offered an unreserved apology. For the avoidance of doubt, at the moment that that happened, there was a full investigation by a very senior civil servant, the findings of which confirmed that I had no advance knowledge about what had been planned, having arrived early for a meeting. But he does not need me to tell him that; he has probably spoken to the report’s author much more frequently than I have.
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Remove the whip from them all
I think the 6 DUPers are following their whip and the Independent owns his own whip!
Fair point. Give them the Tory Whip and whip it away from them immediately. Just to be fair and equitable.
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This list? Were you asked who are the maddest Conservative MPs in Parliament. I hadn't realised Prue Leith minor was a bonkers Brexiteer.
I still don't get this defence of 'the official photographer took pictures therefore we must have thought it was ok'. That could be true, but could simply be they did not care - most of the photos were only seen due to this investigation and other investigations.
And it just means even more people were supposed to be implausibly ignorant, or perhaps more likely, did not care.
If residential REIT share prices are a decent forward indicator of house prices, then PRSR down ~30% since last summer indicates there may be more pain ahead for the housing market.
Or alternatively REITs have been oversold, and are now good value.
"Treating people as mature and responsible citizens paid off for Sweden."
It is depressing that the common consensus, certainly on PB, is/was that you can't trust the Brits and that given half a chance we would all go and kill granny at a moment's notice.
I don't believe that is the case and am suspicious of those who take such a line.
And it really makes no sense because in the real world, people were starting to restrict their interactions from as early as early February 2020 from personal experience, and in the two weeks before lockdown WFH in particular was being introduced rapidly.
Sunak is definitely upping his game. A more pragmatic and less ideologically Thatcherite approach to the strikes, improved Commons performances, and a general sense of him growing into the role.
Some partial improvements in the polls as a result ; it won't be enough to win the Tories the next election, but he might be the only force that could save them from a terrible reduction in seats , and rescue them from irrelevance.
Sunak growing into the role of PM is precisely what Boris failed to do. Great to see the difference between the two.
Boris sank into the role of PM, going native and locking the country down unnecessarily and worse keeping us locked down even after the country had vaccinated the vulnerable.
Had we not had a lockdown, then Boris would probably still be PM now.
It's an interesting counterfactual. Could he really have ridden out the hysteria if we had followed the Swedish approach?
Nevertheless in the round Sweden came out no better and no worse than us in terms of health outcomes and with a lot less economic and hidden social damage.
Quite a bit worse than comparable neighbours on deaths, though. And with restrictions not really that much looser than the UK - more stringent than UK at some time points - despite the initial hype.
ETA: embed didn't work, but see comparison here (using the Oxford index).
E2TA pic:
E3TA: Not to trivialise the differences, which were substantial, particularly in first lockdown periods
Sweden looks like it had 50% of the excess deaths per million vs UK. It did worse than its neighbours but better than most of Europe so make of that what you will.
In particular it is worth quoting this bit in full:
"On some of those measures, Sweden has objectively fared better than countries that prescribed lockdowns. Its young people are doing especially well compared to those of other nations.
"According to an analysis of 15 countries, youngsters on average lost a third of a year’s worth of learning during the pandemic. Unsurprisingly, kids from poor households suffered most. By contrast, a different paper found that Swedish students showed no learning gaps in literacy at all (math skills weren’t part of the study). Nor did the pandemic exacerbate the deficits of less-well-off children.
"The evidence on mental health tells a similar story. An analysis of 11 countries that had lockdowns and school closures shows that depression and anxiety increased dramatically among young people. By contrast, a study of Swedish university students found negligible effects on depression, and even small improvements in anxiety and stress."
Yep. There were many things wrong with the UK approach. Undoubtedly some benefits to the Swedish approach. But it's wrong to pretend either that Sweden is comparable, on a national basis, to the UK in terms of natural ability of the virus to spread or that Sweden essentially no restrictions. Neither is true.
So, a better comparison is with it's more similar neighbours - very interesting to look at e.g. the literacy/lost schooling and effects in the more comparable countries that had stricter lockdowns (not in the article, but maybe in the links, which I haven't followed).
It's a shame, epidemiologically, that a more comparable country to the UK didn't take a Sweden-like approach.
FWIW, I think we all have a lot to learn from Sweden for next time, but some of that is in relation to preparedness and levels of healthcare resilience etc. It's my view, raving left academic that I am, that we have a lot to learn from Sweden across a whole range of areas. We'd have to be prepared to pay for it though.
Followed some links...
First review doesn't seem to include any comparable countries.
Second does include a Denmark study, but Denmark seems to do comparably well to Sweden on missed schooling.
All from a very quick look, I may have missed things.
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This list? Were you asked who are the maddest Conservative MPs in Parliament. I hadn't realised Prue Leith minor was a bonkers Brexiteer.
And Dorries abstained is somewhat surprising
She wasn't mentioned by the Telegraph on the "confirmed rebels" list earlier, which a couple of people noticed but apparently was for a reason.
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It is of course extremely difficult to weigh the slightly premature deaths of predominantly older people against the blighted lives of those very much younger. We could have a whole thread about that on PB and still not reach a conclusion.
If they want to be part of the UK, how about they follow what the UK Parliament wants.
And wants by 515 to 29. It could not be more clear cut.
As I predicted the ERG are irrelevant now
This is obvious in the US (New York vs Florida), but is tough even inside States. DeSantis was - to my mind - absolutely right have only minimal restrictions at the State level, but to allow Cities and Counties extensive freedom to set restrictions.
And the same is true of Sweden, where Stockholm had significantly more restrictions than rural counties.
With that said, I think the UK's lockdown was both too long, and absurdly strict. One could have achieved 90+% of the reduction in R, with many fewer restrictions.
Older people (generally) will have a negative Free Cash Flow profile given they will be disproportionate consumers of health services, their pensions, that they (generally) tend not to be as big consumer spenders as younger people and, not least, do not pay tax.
Younger people (again generally) will have a positive Free Cash Flow profile given they will work, contribute, use fewer services etc.
Eg, for schools the options are:
0 - No measures
1 - recommend closing
2 - Require closing (only some levels or categories,
eg just high school, or just public schools)
3 - Require closing all levels
Which completely fails to capture the variety of measures in place in different places.
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1) The serious rowers
2) The 30 somethings looking for a partner
3) The ancient (like me) trying to get some exercise So you want to save the peace process by destroying the peace process?
The reason that the largest party on each side has a block on the process was that was the price for getting SF onboard, originally.
Bit late to say - "That's a Nationalist/Republican veto only".
I've said it before.
After selecting, rewarding and giving treats to face eating leopards for decades, don't be surprised when face eating leopardry becomes awfully fashionable.
First question from Jenkin (conservative) destroys Boris's defence
Labour or the SNP though are stuck with an extreme leader until either they resign or most members turn against them. The LDs are too but their leaders are normally moderates
b) The East India Company was there and we were responsible for it; but
c) I think “blame” is a pointless concept in history once everyone involved is dead, and my overall view is that the Empire was more good than bad, but we should still recognise the bad (whilst noting that, in this case, at the time it would have been viewed as sensible morality).
He's a horror show. Quite a harmless one now. Watching him squirm doesn't seem t be serving a purpose. It only reminds Tory MPs and Brexiteers of their stupidity but it's now far too late.
Sounds oddly defensive and angry
Maybe the Tories are rediscovering loyalty?
Complicated and messy, even by colonial standards.
That's not a drift. in any of these cases.
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2) The room is big enough for people to space out more.
3) It does not take 25 minutes to thank someone when they leave. 5 minutes would certainly do.
They appeared then to despise each other - and Jenkin gave him an pretty good roasting at the time.
Bad day for embittered former PMs.
"Treating people as mature and responsible citizens paid off for Sweden."
It is depressing that the common consensus, certainly on PB, is/was that you can't trust the Brits and that given half a chance we would all go and kill granny at a moment's notice.
I don't believe that is the case and am suspicious of those who take such a line.
So, a better comparison is with it's more similar neighbours - very interesting to look at e.g. the literacy/lost schooling and effects in the more comparable countries that had stricter lockdowns (not in the article, but maybe in the links, which I haven't followed).
It's a shame, epidemiologically, that a more comparable country to the UK didn't take a Sweden-like approach.
FWIW, I think we all have a lot to learn from Sweden for next time, but some of that is in relation to preparedness and levels of healthcare resilience etc. It's my view, raving left academic that I am, that we have a lot to learn from Sweden across a whole range of areas. We'd have to be prepared to pay for it though.
Would you have told the public it was okay to hold a similar gathering .
In government though yes MPs alone should choose the new PM
It is just embarrassing to watch
Can the bloke in Boris's corner throw in the towel??
Started OKish for Boris. He has totally lost it now.
Gone from fairly composed to Flustered bullshitter
As Pete said earlier lets just jump to the end now its over for Boris
Thank you for correcting it
Does that sort of thing to me all the time.
Just tried typing it, and corrected to 'Afire'.
Also suggests 'Affray'.
Let me just address the issue that the right hon. and learned Gentleman raised, because I said at the time that I respected the decision that the police reached, and I offered an unreserved apology. For the avoidance of doubt, at the moment that that happened, there was a full investigation by a very senior civil servant, the findings of which confirmed that I had no advance knowledge about what had been planned, having arrived early for a meeting. But he does not need me to tell him that; he has probably spoken to the report’s author much more frequently than I have.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kyos-M48B8U
And it just means even more people were supposed to be implausibly ignorant, or perhaps more likely, did not care.
First review doesn't seem to include any comparable countries.
Second does include a Denmark study, but Denmark seems to do comparably well to Sweden on missed schooling.
All from a very quick look, I may have missed things.