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Trump back as WH2024 GOP nominee betting favourite – politicalbetting.com

SystemSystem Posts: 12,219
edited February 2023 in General
imageTrump back as WH2024 GOP nominee betting favourite – politicalbetting.com

Although it is more than 20 months away one of the biggest betting markets at the moment is on who will be the nominees for the 2024 White House race.

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  • Doubts about whether DeSantis will wait till next time when he can inherit Trump's MAGA support?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,038
    Sitting Presidents very rarely have nominee issues. If Biden wants it he probably gets it.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,038
    FWIW I think Trump will have serious legal issues in the next 18 months and, very possibly, a conviction which would make him all too beatable, even in the current GOP.
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 3,040
    FPT: Tres - Thanks for the link to the Daily Mail story. And let me note a correction to my original comment: The girl was staying with her godmother, not her grandmother.

    But note that even the Daily Mail doesn't mention the race of the accused.

    (In this area, our TV stations usually do not mention the race of those accused with crimes -- but, when they can do so legally, they show pictures.)
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,885
    malcolmg said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Phew, TSE will be relieved, it's ok to refer to 'the French' again:

    AP deletes ‘the French' tweet and apologises after it is widely mocked

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-64436973

    But not ‘the English’.
    Well, it probably isn't wise to in your presence.

    I mean, they seem to have much the effect on you mention of the DfE has on me, and with (so far as can be judged) much less reason.
    I've got a piece coming up in the next few days about Scottish independence, I use my knowledge of Scotland that allowed me to correctly predict Scotland would remain part of the UK in 2014.

    The piece is going to be headlined

    'Will the Scots bottle it again?'
    Depends on whether the Scotch experts advise it is a whisky strategy.
    I was out with some friends the other night and asked if they had any Scotch, the waiter said he'd check and came back saying yes, we have Jack Daniels or Jamiesons! I pointed out that neither of these were Scotch but immediately felt like a dick. I'm not sure what the polite answer would have been, I suppose I just took offence as a Scotsman! The waiter seemed pissed off for the rest of the evening. Very awkward.
    Sympathies. It's usually best to avoid any hint of confrontation with waiters (even difficult ones) but if you don't particularly like Irish or Bourbon you're between a rock and a hard place there. Through no fault of your own you're in a tough spot. Either you call out the error (feels pompous) or you go ahead and order a JD or a Jamiesons (beta cuck wimp behaviour). You feel bad either way. It's the sort of ostensibly small thing that can cast a shadow over an otherwise nice evening. Which I can tell it did with how you're telling the story.
    OLB should feel happy that he has educated that waiter in a kind way, where he might have been educated in a less kind way by a future customer.
    Yes, nice take. But was his tone kind? From how he's relating the incident I sense there was an edge and he feels with hindsight there could have been another way. But I could be overthinking it.
    Well he could have continued on in a sadistic way, announcing what had been offered to his entire party and agonising over the choice, whilst speculating on whereabouts in the lochs and glens of Bonny Scotland that Jameson's and Jack Daniels hail from. Some twats would get a good 5 minutes of material out of it. Sounds to me like OLB just gave a straightforward correction.

    I'd have said 'Those are both whisky, but they're not Scotch - that's always made in Scotland in a particular way that I like. Not to worry, if that's all you have I'll just have the Jameson's with some ice. Here's a way you can always tell (then go into my spiel about the 'e' - though frankly it's a bit redundant given that it will always say 'Scotch whisky' on the bottle too.
    Ice?
    Yes. Jameson's is a blended Irish whisky, it tastes fine, but it's not a sipping drink, it's a knock back (or mixer) drink, some ice to lengthen it is fine. If it was a malt or even an aged blend, no ice. No water for me either.
    A touch of water brings out the flavour in a malt
    Yes and No for me. Most commercial whiskies are diluted down to 40% abv and to me it loses flavour if you dilute further. If I'm helping someone appreciate Scotch whisky I'd rather get them used to the alcohol than go straight to water.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,650
    Nice Starmer assassination and dissing of Labours chances to overturn Tory rule by Sky expert Rob Powell

    https://news.sky.com/story/starmers-radical-promises-have-gone-as-he-targets-power-but-we-still-dont-really-know-who-he-is-12797445
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,927
    I'd say the value in this market is laying DeSantis.

    I think that Trump is still value, should probably be odds-on for the GOP nomination, but if he is knocked out of the race over the next year then there's going to be a very wide field and DeSantis wouldn't be a strong frontrunner in that field.
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 3,040
    On Topic: Here's a poll from New Hampshire: "As in other recent polls, both 2020 nominees are having difficulties with their party’s voters. Only 37 percent of New Hampshire Democrats would back Biden over another candidate. Just 25 percent backed Biden over Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg (16 percent), Michelle Obama (15 percent), and Vice President Kamala Harris (5 percent).

    And 36 percent say there are undecided."
    source: https://nhjournal.com/exclusive-nhjournal-poll-finds-nhgop-divided-on-trump-24/

    (For the record: I am unfamiliar with the polling firm, and would remind you that much depends on the state of the economy when the nomination process officially starts.)
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,640

    Nice Starmer assassination and dissing of Labours chances to overturn Tory rule by Sky expert Rob Powell

    https://news.sky.com/story/starmers-radical-promises-have-gone-as-he-targets-power-but-we-still-dont-really-know-who-he-is-12797445

    Keir is now playing out time to the next GE. That should be enough for LAB unless there is a remarkable economic turn round for CON by then.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,680
    Biden now the favourite to win in 2024. Still 3/1 though.




  • eekeek Posts: 28,592

    Nice Starmer assassination and dissing of Labours chances to overturn Tory rule by Sky expert Rob Powell

    https://news.sky.com/story/starmers-radical-promises-have-gone-as-he-targets-power-but-we-still-dont-really-know-who-he-is-12797445

    Keir is now playing out time to the next GE. That should be enough for LAB unless there is a remarkable economic turn round for CON by then.
    Labour doesn’t need to do anything beyond not being this Government and looking none scary.

    That none scary bit is why the Labour Party doesn’t want to talk policies to ensure the papers have nothing but the latest Tory party scandal.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,038

    Nice Starmer assassination and dissing of Labours chances to overturn Tory rule by Sky expert Rob Powell

    https://news.sky.com/story/starmers-radical-promises-have-gone-as-he-targets-power-but-we-still-dont-really-know-who-he-is-12797445

    Keir is now playing out time to the next GE. That should be enough for LAB unless there is a remarkable economic turn round for CON by then.
    I heard a piece on Today, of all places, where they accidentally referred to SKS as the PM. They corrected of course but it was a telling mistake in that a lot of people are kind of assuming the same bar some minor technicalities. Sunak looks like a placeholder, I'm afraid.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,680
    eek said:

    Nice Starmer assassination and dissing of Labours chances to overturn Tory rule by Sky expert Rob Powell

    https://news.sky.com/story/starmers-radical-promises-have-gone-as-he-targets-power-but-we-still-dont-really-know-who-he-is-12797445

    Keir is now playing out time to the next GE. That should be enough for LAB unless there is a remarkable economic turn round for CON by then.
    Labour doesn’t need to do anything beyond not being this Government and looking none scary.

    That none scary bit is why the Labour Party doesn’t want to talk policies to ensure the papers have nothing but the latest Tory party scandal.
    I think Parties should avoid policies if they want to win.. One well researched signature policy should be sufficient to underpin their positioning. More are presents to the competition.

    For the LibDems, with their positioning of respecting voters as adults, I think one policy on decriminalising drug use would be sufficient. Instead there are literally hundreds of policy items discussed and voted on at conference. Very frustrating!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,008
    A new Mclaughlin poll yesterday has Trump leading DeSantis 43% to 31% amongst GOP voters. Biden leads amongst Democrats for their nomination with 24%, with Michelle Obama on 14% and Buttigieg and Newsom on 7% followed by Harris on 6%.

    Trump beats Biden 48% to 43% and Harris 50% to 40%
    https://www.newsmax.com/mclaughlin/electorate-speech-votes/2023/01/27/id/1106204/

    Though Echelon Insights has Biden still beating Trump 45% to 42% albeit with DeSantis beating Biden 45% to 42% in turn
    https://echelonin.wpenginepowered.com/wp-content/uploads/January-2023-Omnibus-Topline-EXTERNAL.pdf
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,937
    HYUFD said:

    A new Mclaughlin poll yesterday has Trump leading DeSantis 43% to 31% amongst GOP voters. Biden leads amongst Democrats for their nomination with 24%, with Michelle Obama on 14% and Buttigieg and Newsom on 7% followed by Harris on 6%.

    Trump beats Biden 48% to 43% and Harris 50% to 40%
    https://www.newsmax.com/mclaughlin/electorate-speech-votes/2023/01/27/id/1106204/

    Though Echelon Insights has Biden still beating Trump 45% to 42% albeit with DeSantis beating Biden 45% to 42% in turn
    https://echelonin.wpenginepowered.com/wp-content/uploads/January-2023-Omnibus-Topline-EXTERNAL.pdf

    What about Trafalgar, the gold standard?
  • On Topic: Here's a poll from New Hampshire: "As in other recent polls, both 2020 nominees are having difficulties with their party’s voters. Only 37 percent of New Hampshire Democrats would back Biden over another candidate. Just 25 percent backed Biden over Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg (16 percent), Michelle Obama (15 percent), and Vice President Kamala Harris (5 percent).

    And 36 percent say there are undecided."
    source: https://nhjournal.com/exclusive-nhjournal-poll-finds-nhgop-divided-on-trump-24/

    (For the record: I am unfamiliar with the polling firm, and would remind you that much depends on the state of the economy when the nomination process officially starts.)

    In specific case of New Hampshire, my guess is that one factor in Biden's low numbers in this poll (and perhaps other Dems?) is the President's support for knocking the NH Presidential Primary OUT of it's "First in the Nation" status for 2024 nomination season?

    HUGE issue in the great Granite State, where the NH Primary is both a revered tradition AND a significant quadrennial cottage industry.
  • malcolmg said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Phew, TSE will be relieved, it's ok to refer to 'the French' again:

    AP deletes ‘the French' tweet and apologises after it is widely mocked

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-64436973

    But not ‘the English’.
    Well, it probably isn't wise to in your presence.

    I mean, they seem to have much the effect on you mention of the DfE has on me, and with (so far as can be judged) much less reason.
    I've got a piece coming up in the next few days about Scottish independence, I use my knowledge of Scotland that allowed me to correctly predict Scotland would remain part of the UK in 2014.

    The piece is going to be headlined

    'Will the Scots bottle it again?'
    Depends on whether the Scotch experts advise it is a whisky strategy.
    I was out with some friends the other night and asked if they had any Scotch, the waiter said he'd check and came back saying yes, we have Jack Daniels or Jamiesons! I pointed out that neither of these were Scotch but immediately felt like a dick. I'm not sure what the polite answer would have been, I suppose I just took offence as a Scotsman! The waiter seemed pissed off for the rest of the evening. Very awkward.
    Sympathies. It's usually best to avoid any hint of confrontation with waiters (even difficult ones) but if you don't particularly like Irish or Bourbon you're between a rock and a hard place there. Through no fault of your own you're in a tough spot. Either you call out the error (feels pompous) or you go ahead and order a JD or a Jamiesons (beta cuck wimp behaviour). You feel bad either way. It's the sort of ostensibly small thing that can cast a shadow over an otherwise nice evening. Which I can tell it did with how you're telling the story.
    OLB should feel happy that he has educated that waiter in a kind way, where he might have been educated in a less kind way by a future customer.
    Yes, nice take. But was his tone kind? From how he's relating the incident I sense there was an edge and he feels with hindsight there could have been another way. But I could be overthinking it.
    Well he could have continued on in a sadistic way, announcing what had been offered to his entire party and agonising over the choice, whilst speculating on whereabouts in the lochs and glens of Bonny Scotland that Jameson's and Jack Daniels hail from. Some twats would get a good 5 minutes of material out of it. Sounds to me like OLB just gave a straightforward correction.

    I'd have said 'Those are both whisky, but they're not Scotch - that's always made in Scotland in a particular way that I like. Not to worry, if that's all you have I'll just have the Jameson's with some ice. Here's a way you can always tell (then go into my spiel about the 'e' - though frankly it's a bit redundant given that it will always say 'Scotch whisky' on the bottle too.
    Ice?
    Yes. Jameson's is a blended Irish whisky, it tastes fine, but it's not a sipping drink, it's a knock back (or mixer) drink, some ice to lengthen it is fine. If it was a malt or even an aged blend, no ice. No water for me either.
    A touch of water brings out the flavour in a malt
    Yes and No for me. Most commercial whiskies are diluted down to 40% abv and to me it loses flavour if you dilute further. If I'm helping someone appreciate Scotch whisky I'd rather get them used to the alcohol than go straight to water.
    Man said a touch of water - NOT a bathtub full!

    From my own humble experience, concur with Malc . . . on THIS topic.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,897
    eek said:

    Nice Starmer assassination and dissing of Labours chances to overturn Tory rule by Sky expert Rob Powell

    https://news.sky.com/story/starmers-radical-promises-have-gone-as-he-targets-power-but-we-still-dont-really-know-who-he-is-12797445

    Keir is now playing out time to the next GE. That should be enough for LAB unless there is a remarkable economic turn round for CON by then.
    Labour doesn’t need to do anything beyond not being this Government and looking none scary.

    That none scary bit is why the Labour Party doesn’t want to talk policies to ensure the papers have nothing but the latest Tory party scandal.
    While this is true to an extent, it is not true that Labour are home and dry for four good reasons:

    Events.

    The monsters under Labour's bed.

    The dangers of running for election from opposition when the government is terrible in every way BUT there are no rational policies addressing the real issues that are any short term use to short term electors - which is the real reason why you don't have any policies.

    Brexit remains the political equivalent of trying to play cricket and rugby on the same pitch at the same time. No-one knows when the ball will come out of the scrum and get you lbw.
  • Boris Johnson was formally told to stop asking Richard Sharp for “advice” about his “personal financial matters” days before Sharp was announced as the next BBC chairman, according to a leaked Cabinet Office memo.

    Johnson, then prime minister, was warned by officials on December 22, 2020 that he had to stop speaking to Sharp about his financial affairs. Sharp was announced as the government’s choice for chairman of the national broadcaster on January 6, 2021.

    The Cabinet Office document was drawn up after Johnson and Sharp sought advice in early December on accepting a loan of up to £800,000 guaranteed by the prime minister’s distant cousin, Sam Blyth, a Canadian businessman. Blyth and Sharp had discussed how to help Johnson with his finances on two occasions, the first, at a dinner in September and the second, on the telephone. Johnson secured the loan in February 2021, according to his own declaration in the internal register of ministers’ interests, parts of which are not made public.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/boris-johnson-was-told-stop-seeking-richard-sharps-advice-on-financial-matters-n2jgkjk7x
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,419
    edited January 2023

    malcolmg said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Phew, TSE will be relieved, it's ok to refer to 'the French' again:

    AP deletes ‘the French' tweet and apologises after it is widely mocked

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-64436973

    But not ‘the English’.
    Well, it probably isn't wise to in your presence.

    I mean, they seem to have much the effect on you mention of the DfE has on me, and with (so far as can be judged) much less reason.
    I've got a piece coming up in the next few days about Scottish independence, I use my knowledge of Scotland that allowed me to correctly predict Scotland would remain part of the UK in 2014.

    The piece is going to be headlined

    'Will the Scots bottle it again?'
    Depends on whether the Scotch experts advise it is a whisky strategy.
    I was out with some friends the other night and asked if they had any Scotch, the waiter said he'd check and came back saying yes, we have Jack Daniels or Jamiesons! I pointed out that neither of these were Scotch but immediately felt like a dick. I'm not sure what the polite answer would have been, I suppose I just took offence as a Scotsman! The waiter seemed pissed off for the rest of the evening. Very awkward.
    Sympathies. It's usually best to avoid any hint of confrontation with waiters (even difficult ones) but if you don't particularly like Irish or Bourbon you're between a rock and a hard place there. Through no fault of your own you're in a tough spot. Either you call out the error (feels pompous) or you go ahead and order a JD or a Jamiesons (beta cuck wimp behaviour). You feel bad either way. It's the sort of ostensibly small thing that can cast a shadow over an otherwise nice evening. Which I can tell it did with how you're telling the story.
    OLB should feel happy that he has educated that waiter in a kind way, where he might have been educated in a less kind way by a future customer.
    Yes, nice take. But was his tone kind? From how he's relating the incident I sense there was an edge and he feels with hindsight there could have been another way. But I could be overthinking it.
    Well he could have continued on in a sadistic way, announcing what had been offered to his entire party and agonising over the choice, whilst speculating on whereabouts in the lochs and glens of Bonny Scotland that Jameson's and Jack Daniels hail from. Some twats would get a good 5 minutes of material out of it. Sounds to me like OLB just gave a straightforward correction.

    I'd have said 'Those are both whisky, but they're not Scotch - that's always made in Scotland in a particular way that I like. Not to worry, if that's all you have I'll just have the Jameson's with some ice. Here's a way you can always tell (then go into my spiel about the 'e' - though frankly it's a bit redundant given that it will always say 'Scotch whisky' on the bottle too.
    Ice?
    Yes. Jameson's is a blended Irish whisky, it tastes fine, but it's not a sipping drink, it's a knock back (or mixer) drink, some ice to lengthen it is fine. If it was a malt or even an aged blend, no ice. No water for me either.
    A touch of water brings out the flavour in a malt
    Yes and No for me. Most commercial whiskies are diluted down to 40% abv and to me it loses flavour if you dilute further. If I'm helping someone appreciate Scotch whisky I'd rather get them used to the alcohol than go straight to water.
    I find you do need a little water - maybe a tenth - to allow the palate to taste the flavour fully. But that is perhaps because I don't drink commercial stuff but still working through my late dad's Scottish Malt Whisky Society stock which is cask strength ...! So you may well be right in what works for you.

    https://smwsa.com/blogs/cask-curriculum/cask-curriculum-whisky-water
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,885
    Carnyx said:

    malcolmg said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Phew, TSE will be relieved, it's ok to refer to 'the French' again:

    AP deletes ‘the French' tweet and apologises after it is widely mocked

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-64436973

    But not ‘the English’.
    Well, it probably isn't wise to in your presence.

    I mean, they seem to have much the effect on you mention of the DfE has on me, and with (so far as can be judged) much less reason.
    I've got a piece coming up in the next few days about Scottish independence, I use my knowledge of Scotland that allowed me to correctly predict Scotland would remain part of the UK in 2014.

    The piece is going to be headlined

    'Will the Scots bottle it again?'
    Depends on whether the Scotch experts advise it is a whisky strategy.
    I was out with some friends the other night and asked if they had any Scotch, the waiter said he'd check and came back saying yes, we have Jack Daniels or Jamiesons! I pointed out that neither of these were Scotch but immediately felt like a dick. I'm not sure what the polite answer would have been, I suppose I just took offence as a Scotsman! The waiter seemed pissed off for the rest of the evening. Very awkward.
    Sympathies. It's usually best to avoid any hint of confrontation with waiters (even difficult ones) but if you don't particularly like Irish or Bourbon you're between a rock and a hard place there. Through no fault of your own you're in a tough spot. Either you call out the error (feels pompous) or you go ahead and order a JD or a Jamiesons (beta cuck wimp behaviour). You feel bad either way. It's the sort of ostensibly small thing that can cast a shadow over an otherwise nice evening. Which I can tell it did with how you're telling the story.
    OLB should feel happy that he has educated that waiter in a kind way, where he might have been educated in a less kind way by a future customer.
    Yes, nice take. But was his tone kind? From how he's relating the incident I sense there was an edge and he feels with hindsight there could have been another way. But I could be overthinking it.
    Well he could have continued on in a sadistic way, announcing what had been offered to his entire party and agonising over the choice, whilst speculating on whereabouts in the lochs and glens of Bonny Scotland that Jameson's and Jack Daniels hail from. Some twats would get a good 5 minutes of material out of it. Sounds to me like OLB just gave a straightforward correction.

    I'd have said 'Those are both whisky, but they're not Scotch - that's always made in Scotland in a particular way that I like. Not to worry, if that's all you have I'll just have the Jameson's with some ice. Here's a way you can always tell (then go into my spiel about the 'e' - though frankly it's a bit redundant given that it will always say 'Scotch whisky' on the bottle too.
    Ice?
    Yes. Jameson's is a blended Irish whisky, it tastes fine, but it's not a sipping drink, it's a knock back (or mixer) drink, some ice to lengthen it is fine. If it was a malt or even an aged blend, no ice. No water for me either.
    A touch of water brings out the flavour in a malt
    Yes and No for me. Most commercial whiskies are diluted down to 40% abv and to me it loses flavour if you dilute further. If I'm helping someone appreciate Scotch whisky I'd rather get them used to the alcohol than go straight to water.
    I find you do need a little water - maybe a tenth - to allow the palate to taste the flavour fully. But that is perhaps because I don't drink commercial stuff but still working through my late dad's Scottish Malt Whisky Society stock which is cask strength ...! So you may well be right in what works for you.

    https://smwsa.com/blogs/cask-curriculum/cask-curriculum-whisky-water
    Yes, with cask strength I'd have no hesitation in adding a drop of water (though I'd still have a sip first). When you get into the 60's I find it necessary. But some 50+ is quite good without.
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 3,040
    edited January 2023
    Off topic, but IMHO more important than any recent topics: From a Bill Gates opinion piece in the Washington Post:
    "In January 2000, a grim cover story in Newsweek forecast that as many as 30 million African children could be orphaned by 2010 because of AIDS deaths. Demographers predicted that AIDS would kill half the teenagers in some African countries.

    That horrific outcome never happened. Millions of Africans finally got access to affordable AIDS drugs, thanks in large part to the U.S. President’s Emergency Plan for AIDS Relief (PEPFAR). The ambitious initiative, launched by President George W. Bush, celebrates its 20th anniversary this weekend. Over the past two decades, PEPFAR has saved 25 million lives by providing more than $100 billion in funding for AIDS prevention and treatment."
    source$: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/01/28/pepfar-aids-congress-reauthorize/

    Gates is worried, with some reason in my opinion, that we may be slipping back in our campaign against this terrible disease.

    (Incidentally, I don't know of any news organizations better equipped to do a long series --now -- on PEPFAR than the BBC)
  • malcolmg said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Phew, TSE will be relieved, it's ok to refer to 'the French' again:

    AP deletes ‘the French' tweet and apologises after it is widely mocked

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-64436973

    But not ‘the English’.
    Well, it probably isn't wise to in your presence.

    I mean, they seem to have much the effect on you mention of the DfE has on me, and with (so far as can be judged) much less reason.
    I've got a piece coming up in the next few days about Scottish independence, I use my knowledge of Scotland that allowed me to correctly predict Scotland would remain part of the UK in 2014.

    The piece is going to be headlined

    'Will the Scots bottle it again?'
    Depends on whether the Scotch experts advise it is a whisky strategy.
    I was out with some friends the other night and asked if they had any Scotch, the waiter said he'd check and came back saying yes, we have Jack Daniels or Jamiesons! I pointed out that neither of these were Scotch but immediately felt like a dick. I'm not sure what the polite answer would have been, I suppose I just took offence as a Scotsman! The waiter seemed pissed off for the rest of the evening. Very awkward.
    Sympathies. It's usually best to avoid any hint of confrontation with waiters (even difficult ones) but if you don't particularly like Irish or Bourbon you're between a rock and a hard place there. Through no fault of your own you're in a tough spot. Either you call out the error (feels pompous) or you go ahead and order a JD or a Jamiesons (beta cuck wimp behaviour). You feel bad either way. It's the sort of ostensibly small thing that can cast a shadow over an otherwise nice evening. Which I can tell it did with how you're telling the story.
    OLB should feel happy that he has educated that waiter in a kind way, where he might have been educated in a less kind way by a future customer.
    Yes, nice take. But was his tone kind? From how he's relating the incident I sense there was an edge and he feels with hindsight there could have been another way. But I could be overthinking it.
    Well he could have continued on in a sadistic way, announcing what had been offered to his entire party and agonising over the choice, whilst speculating on whereabouts in the lochs and glens of Bonny Scotland that Jameson's and Jack Daniels hail from. Some twats would get a good 5 minutes of material out of it. Sounds to me like OLB just gave a straightforward correction.

    I'd have said 'Those are both whisky, but they're not Scotch - that's always made in Scotland in a particular way that I like. Not to worry, if that's all you have I'll just have the Jameson's with some ice. Here's a way you can always tell (then go into my spiel about the 'e' - though frankly it's a bit redundant given that it will always say 'Scotch whisky' on the bottle too.
    Ice?
    Yes. Jameson's is a blended Irish whisky, it tastes fine, but it's not a sipping drink, it's a knock back (or mixer) drink, some ice to lengthen it is fine. If it was a malt or even an aged blend, no ice. No water for me either.
    A touch of water brings out the flavour in a malt
    Yes and No for me. Most commercial whiskies are diluted down to 40% abv and to me it loses flavour if you dilute further. If I'm helping someone appreciate Scotch whisky I'd rather get them used to the alcohol than go straight to water.
    Man said a touch of water - NOT a bathtub full!

    From my own humble experience, concur with Malc . . . on THIS topic.
    Careful, SSI - ageeing with Malc on ANY topic is likely to attract the attention of the Site's disciplinary committee.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,038

    Boris Johnson was formally told to stop asking Richard Sharp for “advice” about his “personal financial matters” days before Sharp was announced as the next BBC chairman, according to a leaked Cabinet Office memo.

    Johnson, then prime minister, was warned by officials on December 22, 2020 that he had to stop speaking to Sharp about his financial affairs. Sharp was announced as the government’s choice for chairman of the national broadcaster on January 6, 2021.

    The Cabinet Office document was drawn up after Johnson and Sharp sought advice in early December on accepting a loan of up to £800,000 guaranteed by the prime minister’s distant cousin, Sam Blyth, a Canadian businessman. Blyth and Sharp had discussed how to help Johnson with his finances on two occasions, the first, at a dinner in September and the second, on the telephone. Johnson secured the loan in February 2021, according to his own declaration in the internal register of ministers’ interests, parts of which are not made public.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/boris-johnson-was-told-stop-seeking-richard-sharps-advice-on-financial-matters-n2jgkjk7x

    The failure to distinguish between personal and government business is so deep that it doesn't even seem to occur to those involved.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,533
    edited January 2023
    Super interesting article,

    According to IRS data, New York’s pandemic deserters had average incomes that were 28 percent higher than residents who stayed.

    https://www.curbed.com/2023/01/nyc-real-estate-covid-more-apartments-higher-rent.html

    I wonder how this compares to other big cities like London? Certainly it seems other US cities like LA and SF have seen similar and tax revenues have collapsed in SF.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,811
    DavidL said:

    Boris Johnson was formally told to stop asking Richard Sharp for “advice” about his “personal financial matters” days before Sharp was announced as the next BBC chairman, according to a leaked Cabinet Office memo.

    Johnson, then prime minister, was warned by officials on December 22, 2020 that he had to stop speaking to Sharp about his financial affairs. Sharp was announced as the government’s choice for chairman of the national broadcaster on January 6, 2021.

    The Cabinet Office document was drawn up after Johnson and Sharp sought advice in early December on accepting a loan of up to £800,000 guaranteed by the prime minister’s distant cousin, Sam Blyth, a Canadian businessman. Blyth and Sharp had discussed how to help Johnson with his finances on two occasions, the first, at a dinner in September and the second, on the telephone. Johnson secured the loan in February 2021, according to his own declaration in the internal register of ministers’ interests, parts of which are not made public.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/boris-johnson-was-told-stop-seeking-richard-sharps-advice-on-financial-matters-n2jgkjk7x

    The failure to distinguish between personal and government business is so deep that it doesn't even seem to occur to those involved.
    If God had intended Johnson to think, He would have given him a brain.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,046

    I'd say the value in this market is laying DeSantis.

    I think that Trump is still value, should probably be odds-on for the GOP nomination, but if he is knocked out of the race over the next year then there's going to be a very wide field and DeSantis wouldn't be a strong frontrunner in that field.

    Agreed, I’m pretty convinced that DeSantis is going to be a non-runner, especially if DJT builds momentum in the coming months. The younger man would be much better off keeping his nose dry for 2028 or 2032, and being one of the kingmakers in the nomination process.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,038

    Off topic, but IMHO more important than any recent topics: From a Bill Gates opinion piece in the Washington Post:
    "In January 2000, a grim cover story in Newsweek forecast that as many as 30 million African children could be orphaned by 2010 because of AIDS deaths. Demographers predicted that AIDS would kill half the teenagers in some African countries.

    That horrific outcome never happened. Millions of Africans finally got access to affordable AIDS drugs, thanks in large part to the U.S. President’s Emergency Plan for AIDS Relief (PEPFAR). The ambitious initiative, launched by President George W. Bush, celebrates its 20th anniversary this weekend. Over the past two decades, PEPFAR has saved 25 million lives by providing more than $100 billion in funding for AIDS prevention and treatment."
    source$: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/01/28/pepfar-aids-congress-reauthorize/

    Gates is worried, with some reason in my opinion, that we may be slipping back in our campaign against this terrible disease.

    (Incidentally, I don't know of any news organizations better equipped to do a long series --now -- on PEPFAR than the BBC)

    Yet another example of the limitations of exponential growth being applied in the real world.
  • TresTres Posts: 2,724

    Boris Johnson was formally told to stop asking Richard Sharp for “advice” about his “personal financial matters” days before Sharp was announced as the next BBC chairman, according to a leaked Cabinet Office memo.

    Johnson, then prime minister, was warned by officials on December 22, 2020 that he had to stop speaking to Sharp about his financial affairs. Sharp was announced as the government’s choice for chairman of the national broadcaster on January 6, 2021.

    The Cabinet Office document was drawn up after Johnson and Sharp sought advice in early December on accepting a loan of up to £800,000 guaranteed by the prime minister’s distant cousin, Sam Blyth, a Canadian businessman. Blyth and Sharp had discussed how to help Johnson with his finances on two occasions, the first, at a dinner in September and the second, on the telephone. Johnson secured the loan in February 2021, according to his own declaration in the internal register of ministers’ interests, parts of which are not made public.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/boris-johnson-was-told-stop-seeking-richard-sharps-advice-on-financial-matters-n2jgkjk7x

    That the Conservatives ever thought that man was an appropriate person to be leader is an indictment on every single party member.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,165

    Boris Johnson was formally told to stop asking Richard Sharp for “advice” about his “personal financial matters” days before Sharp was announced as the next BBC chairman, according to a leaked Cabinet Office memo.

    Johnson, then prime minister, was warned by officials on December 22, 2020 that he had to stop speaking to Sharp about his financial affairs. Sharp was announced as the government’s choice for chairman of the national broadcaster on January 6, 2021.

    The Cabinet Office document was drawn up after Johnson and Sharp sought advice in early December on accepting a loan of up to £800,000 guaranteed by the prime minister’s distant cousin, Sam Blyth, a Canadian businessman. Blyth and Sharp had discussed how to help Johnson with his finances on two occasions, the first, at a dinner in September and the second, on the telephone. Johnson secured the loan in February 2021, according to his own declaration in the internal register of ministers’ interests, parts of which are not made public.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/boris-johnson-was-told-stop-seeking-richard-sharps-advice-on-financial-matters-n2jgkjk7x

    Bit weird that he needs a go between to cadge off his own cousin. What is really going on?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,038
    ydoethur said:

    DavidL said:

    Boris Johnson was formally told to stop asking Richard Sharp for “advice” about his “personal financial matters” days before Sharp was announced as the next BBC chairman, according to a leaked Cabinet Office memo.

    Johnson, then prime minister, was warned by officials on December 22, 2020 that he had to stop speaking to Sharp about his financial affairs. Sharp was announced as the government’s choice for chairman of the national broadcaster on January 6, 2021.

    The Cabinet Office document was drawn up after Johnson and Sharp sought advice in early December on accepting a loan of up to £800,000 guaranteed by the prime minister’s distant cousin, Sam Blyth, a Canadian businessman. Blyth and Sharp had discussed how to help Johnson with his finances on two occasions, the first, at a dinner in September and the second, on the telephone. Johnson secured the loan in February 2021, according to his own declaration in the internal register of ministers’ interests, parts of which are not made public.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/boris-johnson-was-told-stop-seeking-richard-sharps-advice-on-financial-matters-n2jgkjk7x

    The failure to distinguish between personal and government business is so deep that it doesn't even seem to occur to those involved.
    If God had intended Johnson to think, He would have given him a brain.
    Boris is not stupid or incapable of thought. He is simply amoral to an extent that is quite hard to fathom when you are used to dealing with normal people, even crooks.
  • DavidL said:

    Boris Johnson was formally told to stop asking Richard Sharp for “advice” about his “personal financial matters” days before Sharp was announced as the next BBC chairman, according to a leaked Cabinet Office memo.

    Johnson, then prime minister, was warned by officials on December 22, 2020 that he had to stop speaking to Sharp about his financial affairs. Sharp was announced as the government’s choice for chairman of the national broadcaster on January 6, 2021.

    The Cabinet Office document was drawn up after Johnson and Sharp sought advice in early December on accepting a loan of up to £800,000 guaranteed by the prime minister’s distant cousin, Sam Blyth, a Canadian businessman. Blyth and Sharp had discussed how to help Johnson with his finances on two occasions, the first, at a dinner in September and the second, on the telephone. Johnson secured the loan in February 2021, according to his own declaration in the internal register of ministers’ interests, parts of which are not made public.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/boris-johnson-was-told-stop-seeking-richard-sharps-advice-on-financial-matters-n2jgkjk7x

    The failure to distinguish between personal and government business is so deep that it doesn't even seem to occur to those involved.
    It’s why cannot vote Tory until the stables are cleaned.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,038
    Foxy said:

    Boris Johnson was formally told to stop asking Richard Sharp for “advice” about his “personal financial matters” days before Sharp was announced as the next BBC chairman, according to a leaked Cabinet Office memo.

    Johnson, then prime minister, was warned by officials on December 22, 2020 that he had to stop speaking to Sharp about his financial affairs. Sharp was announced as the government’s choice for chairman of the national broadcaster on January 6, 2021.

    The Cabinet Office document was drawn up after Johnson and Sharp sought advice in early December on accepting a loan of up to £800,000 guaranteed by the prime minister’s distant cousin, Sam Blyth, a Canadian businessman. Blyth and Sharp had discussed how to help Johnson with his finances on two occasions, the first, at a dinner in September and the second, on the telephone. Johnson secured the loan in February 2021, according to his own declaration in the internal register of ministers’ interests, parts of which are not made public.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/boris-johnson-was-told-stop-seeking-richard-sharps-advice-on-financial-matters-n2jgkjk7x

    Bit weird that he needs a go between to cadge off his own cousin. What is really going on?
    And why the hell does a sitting PM need a loan of 800k? His latest divorce must have been long paid.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,533
    edited January 2023
    DavidL said:

    Foxy said:

    Boris Johnson was formally told to stop asking Richard Sharp for “advice” about his “personal financial matters” days before Sharp was announced as the next BBC chairman, according to a leaked Cabinet Office memo.

    Johnson, then prime minister, was warned by officials on December 22, 2020 that he had to stop speaking to Sharp about his financial affairs. Sharp was announced as the government’s choice for chairman of the national broadcaster on January 6, 2021.

    The Cabinet Office document was drawn up after Johnson and Sharp sought advice in early December on accepting a loan of up to £800,000 guaranteed by the prime minister’s distant cousin, Sam Blyth, a Canadian businessman. Blyth and Sharp had discussed how to help Johnson with his finances on two occasions, the first, at a dinner in September and the second, on the telephone. Johnson secured the loan in February 2021, according to his own declaration in the internal register of ministers’ interests, parts of which are not made public.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/boris-johnson-was-told-stop-seeking-richard-sharps-advice-on-financial-matters-n2jgkjk7x

    Bit weird that he needs a go between to cadge off his own cousin. What is really going on?
    And why the hell does a sitting PM need a loan of 800k? His latest divorce must have been long paid.
    The new wife has very expensive tastes and 2 new children....while 27,000 other offspring also cost a lot of money.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,046
    Foxy said:

    Boris Johnson was formally told to stop asking Richard Sharp for “advice” about his “personal financial matters” days before Sharp was announced as the next BBC chairman, according to a leaked Cabinet Office memo.

    Johnson, then prime minister, was warned by officials on December 22, 2020 that he had to stop speaking to Sharp about his financial affairs. Sharp was announced as the government’s choice for chairman of the national broadcaster on January 6, 2021.

    The Cabinet Office document was drawn up after Johnson and Sharp sought advice in early December on accepting a loan of up to £800,000 guaranteed by the prime minister’s distant cousin, Sam Blyth, a Canadian businessman. Blyth and Sharp had discussed how to help Johnson with his finances on two occasions, the first, at a dinner in September and the second, on the telephone. Johnson secured the loan in February 2021, according to his own declaration in the internal register of ministers’ interests, parts of which are not made public.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/boris-johnson-was-told-stop-seeking-richard-sharps-advice-on-financial-matters-n2jgkjk7x

    Bit weird that he needs a go between to cadge off his own cousin. What is really going on?
    It sounds like the cousin was the guarantor for the loan, and Sharp was the lender.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,046
    DavidL said:

    Foxy said:

    Boris Johnson was formally told to stop asking Richard Sharp for “advice” about his “personal financial matters” days before Sharp was announced as the next BBC chairman, according to a leaked Cabinet Office memo.

    Johnson, then prime minister, was warned by officials on December 22, 2020 that he had to stop speaking to Sharp about his financial affairs. Sharp was announced as the government’s choice for chairman of the national broadcaster on January 6, 2021.

    The Cabinet Office document was drawn up after Johnson and Sharp sought advice in early December on accepting a loan of up to £800,000 guaranteed by the prime minister’s distant cousin, Sam Blyth, a Canadian businessman. Blyth and Sharp had discussed how to help Johnson with his finances on two occasions, the first, at a dinner in September and the second, on the telephone. Johnson secured the loan in February 2021, according to his own declaration in the internal register of ministers’ interests, parts of which are not made public.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/boris-johnson-was-told-stop-seeking-richard-sharps-advice-on-financial-matters-n2jgkjk7x

    Bit weird that he needs a go between to cadge off his own cousin. What is really going on?
    And why the hell does a sitting PM need a loan of 800k? His latest divorce must have been long paid.
    Aren’t they paid less than the FM? For such an important job the salary is quite small.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,984
    edited January 2023
    DavidL said:

    Foxy said:

    Boris Johnson was formally told to stop asking Richard Sharp for “advice” about his “personal financial matters” days before Sharp was announced as the next BBC chairman, according to a leaked Cabinet Office memo.

    Johnson, then prime minister, was warned by officials on December 22, 2020 that he had to stop speaking to Sharp about his financial affairs. Sharp was announced as the government’s choice for chairman of the national broadcaster on January 6, 2021.

    The Cabinet Office document was drawn up after Johnson and Sharp sought advice in early December on accepting a loan of up to £800,000 guaranteed by the prime minister’s distant cousin, Sam Blyth, a Canadian businessman. Blyth and Sharp had discussed how to help Johnson with his finances on two occasions, the first, at a dinner in September and the second, on the telephone. Johnson secured the loan in February 2021, according to his own declaration in the internal register of ministers’ interests, parts of which are not made public.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/boris-johnson-was-told-stop-seeking-richard-sharps-advice-on-financial-matters-n2jgkjk7x

    Bit weird that he needs a go between to cadge off his own cousin. What is really going on?
    And why the hell does a sitting PM need a loan of 800k? His latest divorce must have been long paid.
    His ex wife is a Cambridge educated lawyer.

    You don’t mess with them.

    The rumours are she gets 60% of all his future income.

    His current wife isn’t a spendthrift.

    Being PM denied his usual outside income.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,046
    DavidL said:

    Foxy said:

    Boris Johnson was formally told to stop asking Richard Sharp for “advice” about his “personal financial matters” days before Sharp was announced as the next BBC chairman, according to a leaked Cabinet Office memo.

    Johnson, then prime minister, was warned by officials on December 22, 2020 that he had to stop speaking to Sharp about his financial affairs. Sharp was announced as the government’s choice for chairman of the national broadcaster on January 6, 2021.

    The Cabinet Office document was drawn up after Johnson and Sharp sought advice in early December on accepting a loan of up to £800,000 guaranteed by the prime minister’s distant cousin, Sam Blyth, a Canadian businessman. Blyth and Sharp had discussed how to help Johnson with his finances on two occasions, the first, at a dinner in September and the second, on the telephone. Johnson secured the loan in February 2021, according to his own declaration in the internal register of ministers’ interests, parts of which are not made public.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/boris-johnson-was-told-stop-seeking-richard-sharps-advice-on-financial-matters-n2jgkjk7x

    Bit weird that he needs a go between to cadge off his own cousin. What is really going on?
    And why the hell does a sitting PM need a loan of 800k? His latest divorce must have been long paid.
    His income went from being in the £400k realm, to a government salary of £150k, at the same time as the divorce and the new family. He has apparently always had money problems, which was fine when his wife was a well-paid lawyer. Less so with the new wife, her part-time charity gig, and somewhat upper-class tastes and expenses.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,517
    DavidL said:

    Off topic, but IMHO more important than any recent topics: From a Bill Gates opinion piece in the Washington Post:
    "In January 2000, a grim cover story in Newsweek forecast that as many as 30 million African children could be orphaned by 2010 because of AIDS deaths. Demographers predicted that AIDS would kill half the teenagers in some African countries.

    That horrific outcome never happened. Millions of Africans finally got access to affordable AIDS drugs, thanks in large part to the U.S. President’s Emergency Plan for AIDS Relief (PEPFAR). The ambitious initiative, launched by President George W. Bush, celebrates its 20th anniversary this weekend. Over the past two decades, PEPFAR has saved 25 million lives by providing more than $100 billion in funding for AIDS prevention and treatment."
    source$: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/01/28/pepfar-aids-congress-reauthorize/

    Gates is worried, with some reason in my opinion, that we may be slipping back in our campaign against this terrible disease.

    (Incidentally, I don't know of any news organizations better equipped to do a long series --now -- on PEPFAR than the BBC)

    Yet another example of the limitations of exponential growth being applied in the real world.
    Hope you are fully recovered David.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,038
    malcolmg said:

    DavidL said:

    Off topic, but IMHO more important than any recent topics: From a Bill Gates opinion piece in the Washington Post:
    "In January 2000, a grim cover story in Newsweek forecast that as many as 30 million African children could be orphaned by 2010 because of AIDS deaths. Demographers predicted that AIDS would kill half the teenagers in some African countries.

    That horrific outcome never happened. Millions of Africans finally got access to affordable AIDS drugs, thanks in large part to the U.S. President’s Emergency Plan for AIDS Relief (PEPFAR). The ambitious initiative, launched by President George W. Bush, celebrates its 20th anniversary this weekend. Over the past two decades, PEPFAR has saved 25 million lives by providing more than $100 billion in funding for AIDS prevention and treatment."
    source$: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/01/28/pepfar-aids-congress-reauthorize/

    Gates is worried, with some reason in my opinion, that we may be slipping back in our campaign against this terrible disease.

    (Incidentally, I don't know of any news organizations better equipped to do a long series --now -- on PEPFAR than the BBC)

    Yet another example of the limitations of exponential growth being applied in the real world.
    Hope you are fully recovered David.
    Thanks Malcolm. Still got a really bad cough and phlegm but feeling much more like myself.
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    My WiFi has been down all day and now Plusnet tells me that it won't be fixed till 1800 on Feb 1st - next Wednesday.

    Where is Liz Truss to tell us that THIS IS A DISGRACE
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,038

    DavidL said:

    Foxy said:

    Boris Johnson was formally told to stop asking Richard Sharp for “advice” about his “personal financial matters” days before Sharp was announced as the next BBC chairman, according to a leaked Cabinet Office memo.

    Johnson, then prime minister, was warned by officials on December 22, 2020 that he had to stop speaking to Sharp about his financial affairs. Sharp was announced as the government’s choice for chairman of the national broadcaster on January 6, 2021.

    The Cabinet Office document was drawn up after Johnson and Sharp sought advice in early December on accepting a loan of up to £800,000 guaranteed by the prime minister’s distant cousin, Sam Blyth, a Canadian businessman. Blyth and Sharp had discussed how to help Johnson with his finances on two occasions, the first, at a dinner in September and the second, on the telephone. Johnson secured the loan in February 2021, according to his own declaration in the internal register of ministers’ interests, parts of which are not made public.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/boris-johnson-was-told-stop-seeking-richard-sharps-advice-on-financial-matters-n2jgkjk7x

    Bit weird that he needs a go between to cadge off his own cousin. What is really going on?
    And why the hell does a sitting PM need a loan of 800k? His latest divorce must have been long paid.
    His ex wife is a Cambridge educated lawyer.

    You don’t mess with them.

    The rumours are she gets 60% of all his future income.

    His current wife isn’t a spendthrift.

    Being PM denied his usual outside income.
    Why on earth would he agree to give her his future income (except as child support)? She probably earned more than him.
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,932

    Doubts about whether DeSantis will wait till next time when he can inherit Trump's MAGA support?

    Supposing Trump loses again to Biden?
    Trump 2028?
  • MightyAlexMightyAlex Posts: 1,691
    edited January 2023

    My WiFi has been down all day and now Plusnet tells me that it won't be fixed till 1800 on Feb 1st - next Wednesday.

    Where is Liz Truss to tell us that THIS IS A DISGRACE

    ...
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,173

    My WiFi has been down all day and now Plusnet tells me that it won't be fixed till 1800 on Feb 1st - next Wednesday.

    Where is Liz Truss to tell us that THIS IS A DISGRACE

    I know
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,419
    ydoethur said:

    DavidL said:

    Boris Johnson was formally told to stop asking Richard Sharp for “advice” about his “personal financial matters” days before Sharp was announced as the next BBC chairman, according to a leaked Cabinet Office memo.

    Johnson, then prime minister, was warned by officials on December 22, 2020 that he had to stop speaking to Sharp about his financial affairs. Sharp was announced as the government’s choice for chairman of the national broadcaster on January 6, 2021.

    The Cabinet Office document was drawn up after Johnson and Sharp sought advice in early December on accepting a loan of up to £800,000 guaranteed by the prime minister’s distant cousin, Sam Blyth, a Canadian businessman. Blyth and Sharp had discussed how to help Johnson with his finances on two occasions, the first, at a dinner in September and the second, on the telephone. Johnson secured the loan in February 2021, according to his own declaration in the internal register of ministers’ interests, parts of which are not made public.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/boris-johnson-was-told-stop-seeking-richard-sharps-advice-on-financial-matters-n2jgkjk7x

    The failure to distinguish between personal and government business is so deep that it doesn't even seem to occur to those involved.
    If God had intended Johnson to think, He would have given him a brain.
    Essay: discuss the implications of the existence of Mr Johnson for the Church of England.
  • DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Foxy said:

    Boris Johnson was formally told to stop asking Richard Sharp for “advice” about his “personal financial matters” days before Sharp was announced as the next BBC chairman, according to a leaked Cabinet Office memo.

    Johnson, then prime minister, was warned by officials on December 22, 2020 that he had to stop speaking to Sharp about his financial affairs. Sharp was announced as the government’s choice for chairman of the national broadcaster on January 6, 2021.

    The Cabinet Office document was drawn up after Johnson and Sharp sought advice in early December on accepting a loan of up to £800,000 guaranteed by the prime minister’s distant cousin, Sam Blyth, a Canadian businessman. Blyth and Sharp had discussed how to help Johnson with his finances on two occasions, the first, at a dinner in September and the second, on the telephone. Johnson secured the loan in February 2021, according to his own declaration in the internal register of ministers’ interests, parts of which are not made public.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/boris-johnson-was-told-stop-seeking-richard-sharps-advice-on-financial-matters-n2jgkjk7x

    Bit weird that he needs a go between to cadge off his own cousin. What is really going on?
    And why the hell does a sitting PM need a loan of 800k? His latest divorce must have been long paid.
    His ex wife is a Cambridge educated lawyer.

    You don’t mess with them.

    The rumours are she gets 60% of all his future income.

    His current wife isn’t a spendthrift.

    Being PM denied his usual outside income.
    Why on earth would he agree to give her his future income (except as child support)? She probably earned more than him.
    It was alleged that he didn’t pay his share of the upkeep during the marriage and had promised he would make it up later on.

    Getting a legal settlement was the only way of getting Boris Johnson to honour it.
  • MightyAlexMightyAlex Posts: 1,691

    My WiFi has been down all day and now Plusnet tells me that it won't be fixed till 1800 on Feb 1st - next Wednesday.

    Where is Liz Truss to tell us that THIS IS A DISGRACE

    ...
    GIF

    Testing, testing 123.
  • My WiFi has been down all day and now Plusnet tells me that it won't be fixed till 1800 on Feb 1st - next Wednesday.

    Where is Liz Truss to tell us that THIS IS A DISGRACE

    Get yourself with BT and they give you a mobile backup.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,811

    My WiFi has been down all day and now Plusnet tells me that it won't be fixed till 1800 on Feb 1st - next Wednesday.

    Where is Liz Truss to tell us that THIS IS A DISGRACE

    She's cheesed off after being fired.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,038

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Foxy said:

    Boris Johnson was formally told to stop asking Richard Sharp for “advice” about his “personal financial matters” days before Sharp was announced as the next BBC chairman, according to a leaked Cabinet Office memo.

    Johnson, then prime minister, was warned by officials on December 22, 2020 that he had to stop speaking to Sharp about his financial affairs. Sharp was announced as the government’s choice for chairman of the national broadcaster on January 6, 2021.

    The Cabinet Office document was drawn up after Johnson and Sharp sought advice in early December on accepting a loan of up to £800,000 guaranteed by the prime minister’s distant cousin, Sam Blyth, a Canadian businessman. Blyth and Sharp had discussed how to help Johnson with his finances on two occasions, the first, at a dinner in September and the second, on the telephone. Johnson secured the loan in February 2021, according to his own declaration in the internal register of ministers’ interests, parts of which are not made public.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/boris-johnson-was-told-stop-seeking-richard-sharps-advice-on-financial-matters-n2jgkjk7x

    Bit weird that he needs a go between to cadge off his own cousin. What is really going on?
    And why the hell does a sitting PM need a loan of 800k? His latest divorce must have been long paid.
    His ex wife is a Cambridge educated lawyer.

    You don’t mess with them.

    The rumours are she gets 60% of all his future income.

    His current wife isn’t a spendthrift.

    Being PM denied his usual outside income.
    Why on earth would he agree to give her his future income (except as child support)? She probably earned more than him.
    It was alleged that he didn’t pay his share of the upkeep during the marriage and had promised he would make it up later on.

    Getting a legal settlement was the only way of getting Boris Johnson to honour it.
    This is fantastical nonsense. No one does divorce agreements like this.
  • Carnyx said:

    ydoethur said:

    DavidL said:

    Boris Johnson was formally told to stop asking Richard Sharp for “advice” about his “personal financial matters” days before Sharp was announced as the next BBC chairman, according to a leaked Cabinet Office memo.

    Johnson, then prime minister, was warned by officials on December 22, 2020 that he had to stop speaking to Sharp about his financial affairs. Sharp was announced as the government’s choice for chairman of the national broadcaster on January 6, 2021.

    The Cabinet Office document was drawn up after Johnson and Sharp sought advice in early December on accepting a loan of up to £800,000 guaranteed by the prime minister’s distant cousin, Sam Blyth, a Canadian businessman. Blyth and Sharp had discussed how to help Johnson with his finances on two occasions, the first, at a dinner in September and the second, on the telephone. Johnson secured the loan in February 2021, according to his own declaration in the internal register of ministers’ interests, parts of which are not made public.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/boris-johnson-was-told-stop-seeking-richard-sharps-advice-on-financial-matters-n2jgkjk7x

    The failure to distinguish between personal and government business is so deep that it doesn't even seem to occur to those involved.
    If God had intended Johnson to think, He would have given him a brain.
    Essay: discuss the implications of the existence of Mr Johnson for the Church of England.
    Hearing Confession from Boris would keep a rota of Anglo Catholic clergy busy on a full time basis for years.

    (Except he's presumably decided that he's RC after all so Not Our Problem.)
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,173
    edited January 2023

    Carnyx said:

    ydoethur said:

    DavidL said:

    Boris Johnson was formally told to stop asking Richard Sharp for “advice” about his “personal financial matters” days before Sharp was announced as the next BBC chairman, according to a leaked Cabinet Office memo.

    Johnson, then prime minister, was warned by officials on December 22, 2020 that he had to stop speaking to Sharp about his financial affairs. Sharp was announced as the government’s choice for chairman of the national broadcaster on January 6, 2021.

    The Cabinet Office document was drawn up after Johnson and Sharp sought advice in early December on accepting a loan of up to £800,000 guaranteed by the prime minister’s distant cousin, Sam Blyth, a Canadian businessman. Blyth and Sharp had discussed how to help Johnson with his finances on two occasions, the first, at a dinner in September and the second, on the telephone. Johnson secured the loan in February 2021, according to his own declaration in the internal register of ministers’ interests, parts of which are not made public.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/boris-johnson-was-told-stop-seeking-richard-sharps-advice-on-financial-matters-n2jgkjk7x

    The failure to distinguish between personal and government business is so deep that it doesn't even seem to occur to those involved.
    If God had intended Johnson to think, He would have given him a brain.
    Essay: discuss the implications of the existence of Mr Johnson for the Church of England.
    Hearing Confession from Boris would keep a rota of Anglo Catholic clergy busy on a full time basis for years.

    (Except he's presumably decided that he's RC after all so Not Our Problem.)
    Funny religion, where you can do whatever you like, so long as you say sorry afterwards.

    No wonder that it has killed and tortured and abused and blighted the lives of so many millions over the centuries.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,650
    ydoethur said:

    My WiFi has been down all day and now Plusnet tells me that it won't be fixed till 1800 on Feb 1st - next Wednesday.

    Where is Liz Truss to tell us that THIS IS A DISGRACE

    She's cheesed off after being fired.
    I can’t disabrie
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,811

    ydoethur said:

    My WiFi has been down all day and now Plusnet tells me that it won't be fixed till 1800 on Feb 1st - next Wednesday.

    Where is Liz Truss to tell us that THIS IS A DISGRACE

    She's cheesed off after being fired.
    I can’t disabrie
    Take it as read, less ter show our brilliance but more to allow for a further awesome cheese pun.
  • DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Foxy said:

    Boris Johnson was formally told to stop asking Richard Sharp for “advice” about his “personal financial matters” days before Sharp was announced as the next BBC chairman, according to a leaked Cabinet Office memo.

    Johnson, then prime minister, was warned by officials on December 22, 2020 that he had to stop speaking to Sharp about his financial affairs. Sharp was announced as the government’s choice for chairman of the national broadcaster on January 6, 2021.

    The Cabinet Office document was drawn up after Johnson and Sharp sought advice in early December on accepting a loan of up to £800,000 guaranteed by the prime minister’s distant cousin, Sam Blyth, a Canadian businessman. Blyth and Sharp had discussed how to help Johnson with his finances on two occasions, the first, at a dinner in September and the second, on the telephone. Johnson secured the loan in February 2021, according to his own declaration in the internal register of ministers’ interests, parts of which are not made public.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/boris-johnson-was-told-stop-seeking-richard-sharps-advice-on-financial-matters-n2jgkjk7x

    Bit weird that he needs a go between to cadge off his own cousin. What is really going on?
    And why the hell does a sitting PM need a loan of 800k? His latest divorce must have been long paid.
    His ex wife is a Cambridge educated lawyer.

    You don’t mess with them.

    The rumours are she gets 60% of all his future income.

    His current wife isn’t a spendthrift.

    Being PM denied his usual outside income.
    Why on earth would he agree to give her his future income (except as child support)? She probably earned more than him.
    It was alleged that he didn’t pay his share of the upkeep during the marriage and had promised he would make it up later on.

    Getting a legal settlement was the only way of getting Boris Johnson to honour it.
    This is fantastical nonsense. No one does divorce agreements like this.
    Ray Parlour's ex wife got around 40% of his future income after their divorce.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,807
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    My WiFi has been down all day and now Plusnet tells me that it won't be fixed till 1800 on Feb 1st - next Wednesday.

    Where is Liz Truss to tell us that THIS IS A DISGRACE

    She's cheesed off after being fired.
    I can’t disabrie
    Take it as read, less ter show our brilliance but more to allow for a further awesome cheese pun.
    Can't believe it's comté this.
  • DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Foxy said:

    Boris Johnson was formally told to stop asking Richard Sharp for “advice” about his “personal financial matters” days before Sharp was announced as the next BBC chairman, according to a leaked Cabinet Office memo.

    Johnson, then prime minister, was warned by officials on December 22, 2020 that he had to stop speaking to Sharp about his financial affairs. Sharp was announced as the government’s choice for chairman of the national broadcaster on January 6, 2021.

    The Cabinet Office document was drawn up after Johnson and Sharp sought advice in early December on accepting a loan of up to £800,000 guaranteed by the prime minister’s distant cousin, Sam Blyth, a Canadian businessman. Blyth and Sharp had discussed how to help Johnson with his finances on two occasions, the first, at a dinner in September and the second, on the telephone. Johnson secured the loan in February 2021, according to his own declaration in the internal register of ministers’ interests, parts of which are not made public.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/boris-johnson-was-told-stop-seeking-richard-sharps-advice-on-financial-matters-n2jgkjk7x

    Bit weird that he needs a go between to cadge off his own cousin. What is really going on?
    And why the hell does a sitting PM need a loan of 800k? His latest divorce must have been long paid.
    His ex wife is a Cambridge educated lawyer.

    You don’t mess with them.

    The rumours are she gets 60% of all his future income.

    His current wife isn’t a spendthrift.

    Being PM denied his usual outside income.
    Why on earth would he agree to give her his future income (except as child support)? She probably earned more than him.
    It was alleged that he didn’t pay his share of the upkeep during the marriage and had promised he would make it up later on.

    Getting a legal settlement was the only way of getting Boris Johnson to honour it.
    This is fantastical nonsense. No one does divorce agreements like this.
    Ray Parlour's ex wife got around 40% of his future income after their divorce.
    Besides, didn't Boris have a pretty hard deadline by when he had to get it all wrapped up?

    Not ideal if you're in a negotiation.
  • ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    My WiFi has been down all day and now Plusnet tells me that it won't be fixed till 1800 on Feb 1st - next Wednesday.

    Where is Liz Truss to tell us that THIS IS A DISGRACE

    She's cheesed off after being fired.
    I can’t disabrie
    Take it as read, less ter show our brilliance but more to allow for a further awesome cheese pun.
    Can't believe it's comté this.
    I know some people are impressed when PB turns into a punfest. Their anger causes them to have a face like a Gorgon. Zola Budd wouldn't join in, I'm sure.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,811

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    My WiFi has been down all day and now Plusnet tells me that it won't be fixed till 1800 on Feb 1st - next Wednesday.

    Where is Liz Truss to tell us that THIS IS A DISGRACE

    She's cheesed off after being fired.
    I can’t disabrie
    Take it as read, less ter show our brilliance but more to allow for a further awesome cheese pun.
    Can't believe it's comté this.
    I know some people are impressed when PB turns into a punfest. Their anger causes them to have a face like a Gorgon. Zola Budd wouldn't join in, I'm sure.
    That was a reasonable attempted double. Gloss ter the rest, though.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,038

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Foxy said:

    Boris Johnson was formally told to stop asking Richard Sharp for “advice” about his “personal financial matters” days before Sharp was announced as the next BBC chairman, according to a leaked Cabinet Office memo.

    Johnson, then prime minister, was warned by officials on December 22, 2020 that he had to stop speaking to Sharp about his financial affairs. Sharp was announced as the government’s choice for chairman of the national broadcaster on January 6, 2021.

    The Cabinet Office document was drawn up after Johnson and Sharp sought advice in early December on accepting a loan of up to £800,000 guaranteed by the prime minister’s distant cousin, Sam Blyth, a Canadian businessman. Blyth and Sharp had discussed how to help Johnson with his finances on two occasions, the first, at a dinner in September and the second, on the telephone. Johnson secured the loan in February 2021, according to his own declaration in the internal register of ministers’ interests, parts of which are not made public.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/boris-johnson-was-told-stop-seeking-richard-sharps-advice-on-financial-matters-n2jgkjk7x

    Bit weird that he needs a go between to cadge off his own cousin. What is really going on?
    And why the hell does a sitting PM need a loan of 800k? His latest divorce must have been long paid.
    His ex wife is a Cambridge educated lawyer.

    You don’t mess with them.

    The rumours are she gets 60% of all his future income.

    His current wife isn’t a spendthrift.

    Being PM denied his usual outside income.
    Why on earth would he agree to give her his future income (except as child support)? She probably earned more than him.
    It was alleged that he didn’t pay his share of the upkeep during the marriage and had promised he would make it up later on.

    Getting a legal settlement was the only way of getting Boris Johnson to honour it.
    This is fantastical nonsense. No one does divorce agreements like this.
    Ray Parlour's ex wife got around 40% of his future income after their divorce.
    For 4 years. https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2004/jul/08/football.claredyer
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,173
    It is possible to try just that bit too hard, just saying.
  • DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Foxy said:

    Boris Johnson was formally told to stop asking Richard Sharp for “advice” about his “personal financial matters” days before Sharp was announced as the next BBC chairman, according to a leaked Cabinet Office memo.

    Johnson, then prime minister, was warned by officials on December 22, 2020 that he had to stop speaking to Sharp about his financial affairs. Sharp was announced as the government’s choice for chairman of the national broadcaster on January 6, 2021.

    The Cabinet Office document was drawn up after Johnson and Sharp sought advice in early December on accepting a loan of up to £800,000 guaranteed by the prime minister’s distant cousin, Sam Blyth, a Canadian businessman. Blyth and Sharp had discussed how to help Johnson with his finances on two occasions, the first, at a dinner in September and the second, on the telephone. Johnson secured the loan in February 2021, according to his own declaration in the internal register of ministers’ interests, parts of which are not made public.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/boris-johnson-was-told-stop-seeking-richard-sharps-advice-on-financial-matters-n2jgkjk7x

    Bit weird that he needs a go between to cadge off his own cousin. What is really going on?
    And why the hell does a sitting PM need a loan of 800k? His latest divorce must have been long paid.
    His ex wife is a Cambridge educated lawyer.

    You don’t mess with them.

    The rumours are she gets 60% of all his future income.

    His current wife isn’t a spendthrift.

    Being PM denied his usual outside income.
    Why on earth would he agree to give her his future income (except as child support)? She probably earned more than him.
    It was alleged that he didn’t pay his share of the upkeep during the marriage and had promised he would make it up later on.

    Getting a legal settlement was the only way of getting Boris Johnson to honour it.
    This is fantastical nonsense. No one does divorce agreements like this.
    Ray Parlour's ex wife got around 40% of his future income after their divorce.
    Besides, didn't Boris have a pretty hard deadline by when he had to get it all wrapped up?

    Not ideal if you're in a negotiation.
    Yup, he screwed up two divorce bills with two hard deadlines.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,929

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Foxy said:

    Boris Johnson was formally told to stop asking Richard Sharp for “advice” about his “personal financial matters” days before Sharp was announced as the next BBC chairman, according to a leaked Cabinet Office memo.

    Johnson, then prime minister, was warned by officials on December 22, 2020 that he had to stop speaking to Sharp about his financial affairs. Sharp was announced as the government’s choice for chairman of the national broadcaster on January 6, 2021.

    The Cabinet Office document was drawn up after Johnson and Sharp sought advice in early December on accepting a loan of up to £800,000 guaranteed by the prime minister’s distant cousin, Sam Blyth, a Canadian businessman. Blyth and Sharp had discussed how to help Johnson with his finances on two occasions, the first, at a dinner in September and the second, on the telephone. Johnson secured the loan in February 2021, according to his own declaration in the internal register of ministers’ interests, parts of which are not made public.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/boris-johnson-was-told-stop-seeking-richard-sharps-advice-on-financial-matters-n2jgkjk7x

    Bit weird that he needs a go between to cadge off his own cousin. What is really going on?
    And why the hell does a sitting PM need a loan of 800k? His latest divorce must have been long paid.
    His ex wife is a Cambridge educated lawyer.

    You don’t mess with them.

    The rumours are she gets 60% of all his future income.

    His current wife isn’t a spendthrift.

    Being PM denied his usual outside income.
    Why on earth would he agree to give her his future income (except as child support)? She probably earned more than him.
    It was alleged that he didn’t pay his share of the upkeep during the marriage and had promised he would make it up later on.

    Getting a legal settlement was the only way of getting Boris Johnson to honour it.
    This is fantastical nonsense. No one does divorce agreements like this.
    Ray Parlour's ex wife got around 40% of his future income after their divorce.
    I'm guessing he was very much the breadwinner in that relationship. It's an odd example though. More relevant would be a wife who puts her high earning career on hold for her husband.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,897
    IanB2 said:

    Carnyx said:

    ydoethur said:

    DavidL said:

    Boris Johnson was formally told to stop asking Richard Sharp for “advice” about his “personal financial matters” days before Sharp was announced as the next BBC chairman, according to a leaked Cabinet Office memo.

    Johnson, then prime minister, was warned by officials on December 22, 2020 that he had to stop speaking to Sharp about his financial affairs. Sharp was announced as the government’s choice for chairman of the national broadcaster on January 6, 2021.

    The Cabinet Office document was drawn up after Johnson and Sharp sought advice in early December on accepting a loan of up to £800,000 guaranteed by the prime minister’s distant cousin, Sam Blyth, a Canadian businessman. Blyth and Sharp had discussed how to help Johnson with his finances on two occasions, the first, at a dinner in September and the second, on the telephone. Johnson secured the loan in February 2021, according to his own declaration in the internal register of ministers’ interests, parts of which are not made public.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/boris-johnson-was-told-stop-seeking-richard-sharps-advice-on-financial-matters-n2jgkjk7x

    The failure to distinguish between personal and government business is so deep that it doesn't even seem to occur to those involved.
    If God had intended Johnson to think, He would have given him a brain.
    Essay: discuss the implications of the existence of Mr Johnson for the Church of England.
    Hearing Confession from Boris would keep a rota of Anglo Catholic clergy busy on a full time basis for years.

    (Except he's presumably decided that he's RC after all so Not Our Problem.)
    Funny religion, where you can do whatever you like, so long as you say sorry afterwards.

    No wonder that it has killed and tortured and abused and blighted the lives of so many millions over the centuries.
    Not being RC I have no dog in the fight but just wonder whether the religion that has a billion followers including the POTUS and produced Aquinas and St Francis may be a little more subtle than is described here.

    By the way neither religion nor irreligion nor communism nor political ideology tortures and kills. People torture and kill.

  • mwadamsmwadams Posts: 3,671
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    My WiFi has been down all day and now Plusnet tells me that it won't be fixed till 1800 on Feb 1st - next Wednesday.

    Where is Liz Truss to tell us that THIS IS A DISGRACE

    She's cheesed off after being fired.
    I can’t disabrie
    Take it as read, less ter show our brilliance but more to allow for a further awesome cheese pun.
    Can't believe it's comté this.
    I know some people are impressed when PB turns into a punfest. Their anger causes them to have a face like a Gorgon. Zola Budd wouldn't join in, I'm sure.
    That was a reasonable attempted double. Gloss ter the rest, though.
    That's a crock for certain.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,753
    mwadams said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    My WiFi has been down all day and now Plusnet tells me that it won't be fixed till 1800 on Feb 1st - next Wednesday.

    Where is Liz Truss to tell us that THIS IS A DISGRACE

    She's cheesed off after being fired.
    I can’t disabrie
    Take it as read, less ter show our brilliance but more to allow for a further awesome cheese pun.
    Can't believe it's comté this.
    I know some people are impressed when PB turns into a punfest. Their anger causes them to have a face like a Gorgon. Zola Budd wouldn't join in, I'm sure.
    That was a reasonable attempted double. Gloss ter the rest, though.
    That's a crock for certain.
    None of these cheese puns are very gouda, are they?
  • Sandpit said:

    I'd say the value in this market is laying DeSantis.

    I think that Trump is still value, should probably be odds-on for the GOP nomination, but if he is knocked out of the race over the next year then there's going to be a very wide field and DeSantis wouldn't be a strong frontrunner in that field.

    Agreed, I’m pretty convinced that DeSantis is going to be a non-runner, especially if DJT builds momentum in the coming months. The younger man would be much better off keeping his nose dry for 2028 or 2032, and being one of the kingmakers in the nomination process.
    That is my view. Far better for RDS to do a deal with Trump and be his VP pick for 2024.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,650

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    My WiFi has been down all day and now Plusnet tells me that it won't be fixed till 1800 on Feb 1st - next Wednesday.

    Where is Liz Truss to tell us that THIS IS A DISGRACE

    She's cheesed off after being fired.
    I can’t disabrie
    Take it as read, less ter show our brilliance but more to allow for a further awesome cheese pun.
    Can't believe it's comté this.
    We might already have a winner. They don’t get cheddar than that
  • mwadamsmwadams Posts: 3,671

    mwadams said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    My WiFi has been down all day and now Plusnet tells me that it won't be fixed till 1800 on Feb 1st - next Wednesday.

    Where is Liz Truss to tell us that THIS IS A DISGRACE

    She's cheesed off after being fired.
    I can’t disabrie
    Take it as read, less ter show our brilliance but more to allow for a further awesome cheese pun.
    Can't believe it's comté this.
    I know some people are impressed when PB turns into a punfest. Their anger causes them to have a face like a Gorgon. Zola Budd wouldn't join in, I'm sure.
    That was a reasonable attempted double. Gloss ter the rest, though.
    That's a crock for certain.
    None of these cheese puns are very gouda, are they?
    No, but it is fondue-ing them.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,314

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    My WiFi has been down all day and now Plusnet tells me that it won't be fixed till 1800 on Feb 1st - next Wednesday.

    Where is Liz Truss to tell us that THIS IS A DISGRACE

    She's cheesed off after being fired.
    I can’t disabrie
    Take it as read, less ter show our brilliance but more to allow for a further awesome cheese pun.
    Can't believe it's comté this.
    I know some people are impressed when PB turns into a punfest. Their anger causes them to have a face like a Gorgon. Zola Budd wouldn't join in, I'm sure.
    It's too reminiscent of the beurre war for her.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Transactivists: transwomen aren't men. So any objection to putting them in women's spaces must be because they are trans, not because they are men.

    Rest of world: transwomen are men. Objections to putting them in women's spaces is because they are men, not because they are trans…

    This dynamic is apparent in every single area of public controversy. It's an unbridgeable gulf.


    https://twitter.com/docstockk/status/1619298267787055104
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,650

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    My WiFi has been down all day and now Plusnet tells me that it won't be fixed till 1800 on Feb 1st - next Wednesday.

    Where is Liz Truss to tell us that THIS IS A DISGRACE

    She's cheesed off after being fired.
    I can’t disabrie
    Take it as read, less ter show our brilliance but more to allow for a further awesome cheese pun.
    Can't believe it's comté this.
    I know some people are impressed when PB turns into a punfest. Their anger causes them to have a face like a Gorgon. Zola Budd wouldn't join in, I'm sure.
    Why Zola Budd - whoever he was - and not Zola himself? J'Accuse You of being no gouda this.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,811
    I'm regretting these cheese puns @MoonRabbit initiated, because I see no end to them. I think she's exchanged a Roquefort a hard place.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,885

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    My WiFi has been down all day and now Plusnet tells me that it won't be fixed till 1800 on Feb 1st - next Wednesday.

    Where is Liz Truss to tell us that THIS IS A DISGRACE

    She's cheesed off after being fired.
    I can’t disabrie
    Take it as read, less ter show our brilliance but more to allow for a further awesome cheese pun.
    Can't believe it's comté this.
    I know some people are impressed when PB turns into a punfest. Their anger causes them to have a face like a Gorgon. Zola Budd wouldn't join in, I'm sure.
    Why Zola Budd - whoever he was - and not Zola himself? J'Accuse You of being no gouda this.
    You'rE DAMned if you do, damned if you don't.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,650
    ydoethur said:

    I'm regretting these cheese puns @MoonRabbit initiated, because I see no end to them. I think she's exchanged a Roquefort a hard place.

    Just because anything you can do, I can do feta.
  • WillGWillG Posts: 2,366

    Sandpit said:

    I'd say the value in this market is laying DeSantis.

    I think that Trump is still value, should probably be odds-on for the GOP nomination, but if he is knocked out of the race over the next year then there's going to be a very wide field and DeSantis wouldn't be a strong frontrunner in that field.

    Agreed, I’m pretty convinced that DeSantis is going to be a non-runner, especially if DJT builds momentum in the coming months. The younger man would be much better off keeping his nose dry for 2028 or 2032, and being one of the kingmakers in the nomination process.
    That is my view. Far better for RDS to do a deal with Trump and be his VP pick for 2024.
    Anyone that works for Trump destroys their reputation. Pence, Giuliani, Pompeo etc. Crazy to be his VP.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,591
    ydoethur said:

    I'm regretting these cheese puns

    I think someone has hacked ydoethur's account, there's no way he would regret a pun.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,807
    ydoethur said:

    I'm regretting these cheese puns @MoonRabbit initiated, because I see no end to them. I think she's exchanged a Roquefort a hard place.

    That's a Munster pun!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,008
    edited January 2023

    Sandpit said:

    I'd say the value in this market is laying DeSantis.

    I think that Trump is still value, should probably be odds-on for the GOP nomination, but if he is knocked out of the race over the next year then there's going to be a very wide field and DeSantis wouldn't be a strong frontrunner in that field.

    Agreed, I’m pretty convinced that DeSantis is going to be a non-runner, especially if DJT builds momentum in the coming months. The younger man would be much better off keeping his nose dry for 2028 or 2032, and being one of the kingmakers in the nomination process.
    That is my view. Far better for RDS to do a deal with Trump and be his VP pick for 2024.
    Though if Trump loses that ends his chances too.

    No losing VP nominee has gone on to win the Presidency or even their party's nomination since FDR
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,807
    HYUFD said:

    Sandpit said:

    I'd say the value in this market is laying DeSantis.

    I think that Trump is still value, should probably be odds-on for the GOP nomination, but if he is knocked out of the race over the next year then there's going to be a very wide field and DeSantis wouldn't be a strong frontrunner in that field.

    Agreed, I’m pretty convinced that DeSantis is going to be a non-runner, especially if DJT builds momentum in the coming months. The younger man would be much better off keeping his nose dry for 2028 or 2032, and being one of the kingmakers in the nomination process.
    That is my view. Far better for RDS to do a deal with Trump and be his VP pick for 2024.
    Though if Trump loses that ends his chances too.

    No losing VP nominee has gone on to win the Presidency or even their party's nomination since FDR
    File under "X hasn't happened since the last time it happened".

    It's a big file.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 3,947

    Transactivists: transwomen aren't men. So any objection to putting them in women's spaces must be because they are trans, not because they are men.

    Rest of world: transwomen are men. Objections to putting them in women's spaces is because they are men, not because they are trans…

    This dynamic is apparent in every single area of public controversy. It's an unbridgeable gulf.


    https://twitter.com/docstockk/status/1619298267787055104

    guff or gulf.....
  • TresTres Posts: 2,724
    HYUFD said:

    Sandpit said:

    I'd say the value in this market is laying DeSantis.

    I think that Trump is still value, should probably be odds-on for the GOP nomination, but if he is knocked out of the race over the next year then there's going to be a very wide field and DeSantis wouldn't be a strong frontrunner in that field.

    Agreed, I’m pretty convinced that DeSantis is going to be a non-runner, especially if DJT builds momentum in the coming months. The younger man would be much better off keeping his nose dry for 2028 or 2032, and being one of the kingmakers in the nomination process.
    That is my view. Far better for RDS to do a deal with Trump and be his VP pick for 2024.
    Though if Trump loses that ends his chances too.

    No losing VP nominee has gone on to win the Presidency or even their party's nomination since FDR
    He could always get polio.
  • HYUFD said:

    Sandpit said:

    I'd say the value in this market is laying DeSantis.

    I think that Trump is still value, should probably be odds-on for the GOP nomination, but if he is knocked out of the race over the next year then there's going to be a very wide field and DeSantis wouldn't be a strong frontrunner in that field.

    Agreed, I’m pretty convinced that DeSantis is going to be a non-runner, especially if DJT builds momentum in the coming months. The younger man would be much better off keeping his nose dry for 2028 or 2032, and being one of the kingmakers in the nomination process.
    That is my view. Far better for RDS to do a deal with Trump and be his VP pick for 2024.
    Though if Trump loses that ends his chances too.

    No losing VP nominee has gone on to win the Presidency or even their party's nomination since FDR
    File under "X hasn't happened since the last time it happened".

    It's a big file.
    Plus Trump/RDS ticket cannot happen either.

    Both are from Florida and that buggers up the electoral college voters.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,008
    edited January 2023
    algarkirk said:

    IanB2 said:

    Carnyx said:

    ydoethur said:

    DavidL said:

    Boris Johnson was formally told to stop asking Richard Sharp for “advice” about his “personal financial matters” days before Sharp was announced as the next BBC chairman, according to a leaked Cabinet Office memo.

    Johnson, then prime minister, was warned by officials on December 22, 2020 that he had to stop speaking to Sharp about his financial affairs. Sharp was announced as the government’s choice for chairman of the national broadcaster on January 6, 2021.

    The Cabinet Office document was drawn up after Johnson and Sharp sought advice in early December on accepting a loan of up to £800,000 guaranteed by the prime minister’s distant cousin, Sam Blyth, a Canadian businessman. Blyth and Sharp had discussed how to help Johnson with his finances on two occasions, the first, at a dinner in September and the second, on the telephone. Johnson secured the loan in February 2021, according to his own declaration in the internal register of ministers’ interests, parts of which are not made public.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/boris-johnson-was-told-stop-seeking-richard-sharps-advice-on-financial-matters-n2jgkjk7x

    The failure to distinguish between personal and government business is so deep that it doesn't even seem to occur to those involved.
    If God had intended Johnson to think, He would have given him a brain.
    Essay: discuss the implications of the existence of Mr Johnson for the Church of England.
    Hearing Confession from Boris would keep a rota of Anglo Catholic clergy busy on a full time basis for years.

    (Except he's presumably decided that he's RC after all so Not Our Problem.)
    Funny religion, where you can do whatever you like, so long as you say sorry afterwards.

    No wonder that it has killed and tortured and abused and blighted the lives of so many millions over the centuries.
    Not being RC I have no dog in the fight but just wonder whether the religion that has a billion followers including the POTUS and produced Aquinas and St Francis may be a little more subtle than is described here.

    By the way neither religion nor irreligion nor communism nor political ideology tortures and kills. People torture and kill.

    Agreed and despite being Protestant Anglican myself I do recognise the great cathedrals and art the Roman Catholic Church has built and sponsored and the charity it provides and schools and hospitals and universities it has founded.

    It also remains steadfast to a strict biblical line even in a more liberal age, especially in the West, in not agreeing to divorce, women priests and bishops, married priests and non celibate priests, homosexual marriage, abortion etc. So while I may disagree with it on much of that it does have clear principles
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,166
    edited January 2023

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    My WiFi has been down all day and now Plusnet tells me that it won't be fixed till 1800 on Feb 1st - next Wednesday.

    Where is Liz Truss to tell us that THIS IS A DISGRACE

    She's cheesed off after being fired.
    I can’t disabrie
    Take it as read, less ter show our brilliance but more to allow for a further awesome cheese pun.
    Can't believe it's comté this.
    I know some people are impressed when PB turns into a punfest. Their anger causes them to have a face like a Gorgon. Zola Budd wouldn't join in, I'm sure.
    Why Zola Budd - whoever he was - and not Zola himself? J'Accuse You of being no gouda this.
    Zola Budd was a she. She famously tripped up Mary Decker during the 3,000 metres race at the LA Olympics (1984).
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,929

    Transactivists: transwomen aren't men. So any objection to putting them in women's spaces must be because they are trans, not because they are men.

    Rest of world: transwomen are men. Objections to putting them in women's spaces is because they are men, not because they are trans…

    This dynamic is apparent in every single area of public controversy. It's an unbridgeable gulf.


    https://twitter.com/docstockk/status/1619298267787055104

    Yvette Cooper got herself into a slightly strange position the other day suggesting that no person who has committed crimes against women should be put in a women's prison. I'm guessing there are already a fair number of biological females in women's prisons who have committed crimes against women.
  • ydoethur said:

    I'm regretting these cheese puns @MoonRabbit initiated, because I see no end to them. I think she's exchanged a Roquefort a hard place.

    Just because anything you can do, I can do feta.
    What's the most popular type of steam train in India?

    Paneer Tank!

    (I thank you!)
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,811

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    My WiFi has been down all day and now Plusnet tells me that it won't be fixed till 1800 on Feb 1st - next Wednesday.

    Where is Liz Truss to tell us that THIS IS A DISGRACE

    She's cheesed off after being fired.
    I can’t disabrie
    Take it as read, less ter show our brilliance but more to allow for a further awesome cheese pun.
    Can't believe it's comté this.
    I know some people are impressed when PB turns into a punfest. Their anger causes them to have a face like a Gorgon. Zola Budd wouldn't join in, I'm sure.
    Why Zola Budd - whoever he was - and not Zola himself? J'Accuse You of being no gouda this.
    Zola Budd was a she. She famously tripped up Mary Decker during the 3,000 metres race at the LA Olympics (1984).
    "It's a long way to trip up Mary..."
    I was thinking more that despite her best efforts on Zola Budd Mary failed to Decker.
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 3,040
    Obvious question: Would Yvette Cooper say that no one who has committed crimes against men should be put in a men's prison?
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,927
    HYUFD said:

    Sandpit said:

    I'd say the value in this market is laying DeSantis.

    I think that Trump is still value, should probably be odds-on for the GOP nomination, but if he is knocked out of the race over the next year then there's going to be a very wide field and DeSantis wouldn't be a strong frontrunner in that field.

    Agreed, I’m pretty convinced that DeSantis is going to be a non-runner, especially if DJT builds momentum in the coming months. The younger man would be much better off keeping his nose dry for 2028 or 2032, and being one of the kingmakers in the nomination process.
    That is my view. Far better for RDS to do a deal with Trump and be his VP pick for 2024.
    Though if Trump loses that ends his chances too.

    No losing VP nominee has gone on to win the Presidency or even their party's nomination since FDR
    RDS doesn't get to be Trump's VP unless Trump moves State.

    The key issue is this. Any wannabee GOP Presidential nominee has a choice to make. You either run against Trump, in which case you have to, y'know, actually criticise him, and point out that he lost the 2020 election, or you have to support him for the 2024 election.

    They're all too cowardly/realistic about the hold Trump has on the GOP grassroots to criticise him, or contradict his lie about winning in 2020, so they can't possibly seriously run against him. How can your pitch to the primary voters be, "Trump was the rightful winner of the 2020 election, he's a great guy, the Democrats stole the election from him, and we should let them get away with that by not voting for Trump in 2024." It doesn't make any sense.

    So all the other possible runners are left hoping for an actuarial or judicial solution to the Trump problem.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,811
    edited January 2023
    HYUFD said:

    Sandpit said:

    I'd say the value in this market is laying DeSantis.

    I think that Trump is still value, should probably be odds-on for the GOP nomination, but if he is knocked out of the race over the next year then there's going to be a very wide field and DeSantis wouldn't be a strong frontrunner in that field.

    Agreed, I’m pretty convinced that DeSantis is going to be a non-runner, especially if DJT builds momentum in the coming months. The younger man would be much better off keeping his nose dry for 2028 or 2032, and being one of the kingmakers in the nomination process.
    That is my view. Far better for RDS to do a deal with Trump and be his VP pick for 2024.
    Though if Trump loses that ends his chances too.

    No losing VP nominee has gone on to win the Presidency or even their party's nomination since FDR
    Nixon?

    Edit - also Mondale.
  • Doubts about whether DeSantis will wait till next time when he can inherit Trump's MAGA support?

    Supposing Trump loses again to Biden?
    Trump 2028?
    2028? Trump is 76 years old now. Realistically, this is his last throw of the dice.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,929

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    My WiFi has been down all day and now Plusnet tells me that it won't be fixed till 1800 on Feb 1st - next Wednesday.

    Where is Liz Truss to tell us that THIS IS A DISGRACE

    She's cheesed off after being fired.
    I can’t disabrie
    Take it as read, less ter show our brilliance but more to allow for a further awesome cheese pun.
    Can't believe it's comté this.
    It positively has. Sorry.

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,008
    edited January 2023
    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    Sandpit said:

    I'd say the value in this market is laying DeSantis.

    I think that Trump is still value, should probably be odds-on for the GOP nomination, but if he is knocked out of the race over the next year then there's going to be a very wide field and DeSantis wouldn't be a strong frontrunner in that field.

    Agreed, I’m pretty convinced that DeSantis is going to be a non-runner, especially if DJT builds momentum in the coming months. The younger man would be much better off keeping his nose dry for 2028 or 2032, and being one of the kingmakers in the nomination process.
    That is my view. Far better for RDS to do a deal with Trump and be his VP pick for 2024.
    Though if Trump loses that ends his chances too.

    No losing VP nominee has gone on to win the Presidency or even their party's nomination since FDR
    Nixon?

    Edit - also Mondale.
    Nixon was IKE's VP and IKE won in 1952 and 1956.

    Nixon lost as the presidential candidate in 1960, he never lost as the VP GOP nominee.

    Mondale was elected VP in 1976 when Carter won, so that would be a different scenario as Trump would still have to win in 2024 with DeSantis on the ticket for equivalence
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,811
    edited January 2023
    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    Sandpit said:

    I'd say the value in this market is laying DeSantis.

    I think that Trump is still value, should probably be odds-on for the GOP nomination, but if he is knocked out of the race over the next year then there's going to be a very wide field and DeSantis wouldn't be a strong frontrunner in that field.

    Agreed, I’m pretty convinced that DeSantis is going to be a non-runner, especially if DJT builds momentum in the coming months. The younger man would be much better off keeping his nose dry for 2028 or 2032, and being one of the kingmakers in the nomination process.
    That is my view. Far better for RDS to do a deal with Trump and be his VP pick for 2024.
    Though if Trump loses that ends his chances too.

    No losing VP nominee has gone on to win the Presidency or even their party's nomination since FDR
    Nixon?

    Edit - also Mondale.
    Nixon was IKE's VP and IKE won in 1952 and 1956.

    Nixon lost as the presidential candidate in 1960, he never lost as the VP GOP nominee.

    Mondale was elected VP in 1976 when Carter won, so that would be a different scenario as Trump would still have to win in 2024 with DeSantis on the ticket for equivalence
    He also lost in 1980.

    Nixon was of course the last previously defeated presidential candidate to date - as opposed to primary nominee - to be elected President.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,008
    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    Sandpit said:

    I'd say the value in this market is laying DeSantis.

    I think that Trump is still value, should probably be odds-on for the GOP nomination, but if he is knocked out of the race over the next year then there's going to be a very wide field and DeSantis wouldn't be a strong frontrunner in that field.

    Agreed, I’m pretty convinced that DeSantis is going to be a non-runner, especially if DJT builds momentum in the coming months. The younger man would be much better off keeping his nose dry for 2028 or 2032, and being one of the kingmakers in the nomination process.
    That is my view. Far better for RDS to do a deal with Trump and be his VP pick for 2024.
    Though if Trump loses that ends his chances too.

    No losing VP nominee has gone on to win the Presidency or even their party's nomination since FDR
    Nixon?

    Edit - also Mondale.
    Nixon was IKE's VP and IKE won in 1952 and 1956.

    Nixon lost as the presidential candidate in 1960, he never lost as the VP GOP nominee.

    Mondale was elected VP in 1976 when Carter won, so that would be a different scenario as Trump would still have to win in 2024 with DeSantis on the ticket for equivalence
    He also lost in 1980.

    Nixon was of course the last previously defeated presidential candidate to date - as opposed to primary nominee - to be elected President.
    Yes but we were talking VP candidates
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,811
    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    Sandpit said:

    I'd say the value in this market is laying DeSantis.

    I think that Trump is still value, should probably be odds-on for the GOP nomination, but if he is knocked out of the race over the next year then there's going to be a very wide field and DeSantis wouldn't be a strong frontrunner in that field.

    Agreed, I’m pretty convinced that DeSantis is going to be a non-runner, especially if DJT builds momentum in the coming months. The younger man would be much better off keeping his nose dry for 2028 or 2032, and being one of the kingmakers in the nomination process.
    That is my view. Far better for RDS to do a deal with Trump and be his VP pick for 2024.
    Though if Trump loses that ends his chances too.

    No losing VP nominee has gone on to win the Presidency or even their party's nomination since FDR
    Nixon?

    Edit - also Mondale.
    Nixon was IKE's VP and IKE won in 1952 and 1956.

    Nixon lost as the presidential candidate in 1960, he never lost as the VP GOP nominee.

    Mondale was elected VP in 1976 when Carter won, so that would be a different scenario as Trump would still have to win in 2024 with DeSantis on the ticket for equivalence
    He also lost in 1980.

    Nixon was of course the last previously defeated presidential candidate to date - as opposed to primary nominee - to be elected President.
    Yes but we were talking VP candidates
    And Mondale was a defeated VP candidate.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,008
    edited January 2023
    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    Sandpit said:

    I'd say the value in this market is laying DeSantis.

    I think that Trump is still value, should probably be odds-on for the GOP nomination, but if he is knocked out of the race over the next year then there's going to be a very wide field and DeSantis wouldn't be a strong frontrunner in that field.

    Agreed, I’m pretty convinced that DeSantis is going to be a non-runner, especially if DJT builds momentum in the coming months. The younger man would be much better off keeping his nose dry for 2028 or 2032, and being one of the kingmakers in the nomination process.
    That is my view. Far better for RDS to do a deal with Trump and be his VP pick for 2024.
    Though if Trump loses that ends his chances too.

    No losing VP nominee has gone on to win the Presidency or even their party's nomination since FDR
    Nixon?

    Edit - also Mondale.
    Nixon was IKE's VP and IKE won in 1952 and 1956.

    Nixon lost as the presidential candidate in 1960, he never lost as the VP GOP nominee.

    Mondale was elected VP in 1976 when Carter won, so that would be a different scenario as Trump would still have to win in 2024 with DeSantis on the ticket for equivalence
    He also lost in 1980.

    Nixon was of course the last previously defeated presidential candidate to date - as opposed to primary nominee - to be elected President.
    Yes but we were talking VP candidates
    And Mondale was a defeated VP candidate.
    Mondale was the elected Vice President in 1980 when he lost with Carter. He won as VP candidate in 1976.

    So that is not the same situation at all as Trump picking DeSantis in 2024 as his VP and the ticket losing, Trump-DeSantis would have to win in 2024 to be the equivalent of Carter-Mondale (even if DeSantis went on to lose in 2028 when he was incumbent VP)
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