By generation how party support has shifted since GE2019 – politicalbetting.com

This very much highlights the challenge facing Sunak and his party – the Tories have lost most support amongst the age groups where traditionally they have been strong.
0
This discussion has been closed.
Comments
Two Marines defeated the AI detection system of a military robot by... hiding in a cardboard box and walking right up to it.
https://twitter.com/JimmySecUK/status/1615716748073869312
Under Sunak they are buggered fewer/less.
https://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_departments/Parliamentary_Library/pubs/Archived
EDIT: Apologies, I accessed this about 4 weeks ago. I'll hunt down the correct link.
People without a home of their own vote Labour, as a class.
People with a home owned outright vote Tory, as a class.
People with a mortgage are the swing voters, as a class.
The young are struggling to get on the property ladder, they're voting Labour anyway so will struggle to see much swing anyway.
The elderly have paid off their mortgages and have a triple locked pension and no mortgage to worry about.
The middle aged are seeing their wages go up by less than inflation while their mortgage costs shoot up, so swing voters are going to do what they do and swing.
We are not building enough homes. I cannot see that changing.
But yes, the Tories don't deserve our votes either.
And the Lib Dems pander to NIMBYs.
There's nobody good to vote for. Almost enough to put you off politics altogether.
Besides, even if the licences were awarded today it will be 5-7 years before you see any hydrocarbons from them.
AI doesn't work now isn't the same thing as AI won't work.
James Cameron got it right back in 1984.
"Listen, and understand. That terminator is out there. It can’t be bargained with. It can’t be reasoned with. It doesn’t feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are dead."
Hard to stay interested when everything sucks and there's nothing to interest you. For me voting is a civil responsibility, but what do you do when there's nobody to vote for?
Think I'll spoil my ballot next time by writing something like "build more houses" on it. None of the parties deserve my vote, but I won't simply not go to the ballot box.
HYUFD is that you?
I have no objection to that, but the alternative is that we could pay a good wage to people with skills, or apprentices to those jobs too.
In any industry the overwhelming majority of people working in the sector are UK nationals and immigrants make a small proportion, if you want to attract a lot of people to work for you then paying a good wage is the best starting point. If you're paying a good wage and attracting migrants as well as UK nationals, then there's nothing wrong with that - if you want to only attract migrants as you can't hire UK nationals for minimum wage, then that's a you problem.
1:00 on.
If you tell this AI that these were also people approaching, does it get better at spotting someone disguised as a post-box, for example? Does it think a box blown by the wind is a person. Still a world of challenges, which of course makes this interesting. Also, as we've seen elsewhere, AI doesn't have to approach the generalisability of human-I to have its uses.
We need a quarter of a million extra for the current level of construction. To double new houses is going to take a lot of extra workers.
Lots of sectors are short of workers, we can't just offer good wages and conditions and fill them all, the numbers don't add up.
https://parlinfo.aph.gov.au/parlInfo/search/display/display.w3p;adv=yes;orderBy=customrank;page=0;query=1997 UK general election putney;rec=6;resCount=Default
There's lots of people working unproductive jobs. There's lots of unproductive businesses.
Pay goes up, the productive jobs do well, then unproductive jobs die. Those who were working in unproductive jobs get freed up to do more productive ones.
That's how competition works. We need to let unproductive jobs die and good pay rises for the productive businesses outcompeting the unproductive ones is a part of that.
They've had plenty of warning from me about this, I said people will say "I can't afford to eat why on Earth are you telling me about trans rights"
Looking at comments about age groups and categories it seems to me that the assumption that only self interest is at work in voting needs to be challenged if only gently and slightly.
Older voters who generally vote Tory as a whole (ignore party members and the intellectually challenged press) are moderates, who mostly supported Thatcher at the time because a radical change was called for at that time, following a fairly disastrous Labour government; and once elected in 1979 during the Thatcher years the Labour party went rapidly insane leading to a stupendous split. Labour were essentially unelectable for years, as they were later in 2019.
In abandoning the Tories for the Don't Knows, moderate older Tories are exercising rational caution. As one of them if asked now who I would vote for today the answer is: Labour. But if the Burgon/Pidcock/Jezza tendency got a look in the answer would instantly change. SKS knows this.
It's raunchy as hell on here.
It is ignoramus Tories like you that have ensured they are hated throughout the land.
The CV90 is used to transport up to 8 infantry troops and is equipped with a 40mm Bofors automatic gun.
The package is worth SEK 4.3 billion ($419 million)
https://twitter.com/RyszardJonski/status/1616025419693670405
Archer is a 155mm howitzer on a Volvo truck.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archer_Artillery_System
Table 1. Change in Aggregate Vote 1992-1997
Party, 1992, 1997, Difference
Conservative, 14092891, 9590565, -4502326
Labour, 11559384, 13551381, +1991997
Liberal Democrats, 5999384, 5243322, -756062
Sadly no breakdown by age group...
I wonder if a lot of the ills you mention are emergent consequences from a complex system of money influencing decisions that is primarily (but not exclusively, hello David Lammy)a Tory problem.
Unless Jackson failed, again, in diversity...
EDIT: A worse possibility, in some ways is this - non-lethal AI systems.
We could, nearly, create a robot. Say a bit spider like. It wanders the battlefield. If it finds an enemy combatant (no RFID?) it handcuffs itself to the person in question. Now you are attached to 200K of hardened metal. If it finds a tank, it lethally stuffs a limb into the gun. etc.
Flood the battlefield with those.
Sounds nice? Candy coloured war? Then imagine in a situation where someone invades a country. Millions of those. Insurgency won't work....
Point is though, that it's continual incremental progress, coupled with constant improvement in processing power - and punctuated by occasional breakthroughs.
And none of this stuff is unlearned.
Leon gets very excited that it's all here now. It isn't; but it will be.
What has the government done to hack them off? (Apart from generally being rubbish, natch.) Some of it will be that there are more 2019 Conservative voters who can shift, but surely not all of it is that
Baldy Ben is "reviewing" Challenger 3 now that MBTs are back in fashion after they were pronounced obsolete in March.
I said I was speaking in generalities "as a class". If you're incapable of reading comprehension, then that's not my problem.
Yes there's some pensioners who are struggling. The solution is to deal with that, not piss billions up the wall maintaining the triple lock for those who aren't.
Heck, you could fund a vast increase in Pension Credits or other support for struggling pensioners, if the well off pensioners faced the same marginal tax rate as the young do by abolishing the graduate tax and national insurance and taxing everyone on the same rate as their earnings.
But you don't want to actually help struggling pensioners, you just want to pull the ladder up behind you and fuck anyone young or old who is struggling. Hence why you object to paying the same tax rate as everyone else.
This means we don't talk about giving Ukraine help. We don't equivocate. We don't do an "after-you" gambit. We give them what they need ASAP, so they can win this war.
The actions of the smaller nations - Sweden, Estonia, Lithuania, Poland etc - shame the larger ones such as Germany (and yes, @kamski, France and Italy).
I can understand Germany's reluctance, given their history. But they were in the wrong then. That doesn't mean they need to do wrong today.
Unfortunately what we get from both sides is a lot of playground insults and invective.
not as good as the Colt Starion Turbo, of course.
And as to @mwadams description of Tory trouncing, this made me smile:
Moreover, if large numbers of 1992 Conservative voters stayed at home in 1997 because they were disaffected by their own party but could not bring themselves to vote for any other party, then there is no reason to assume that they will necessarily stay at home again in 2002. That will all depend on the ability of the Conservative Party to put its house in order over the next five years. Initially, that effort will focus on the selection of a new party leader to replace John Major (see below), and then, presumably, on some settlement of the Europe issue within the party.
Outstanding. Now all we need is a deck of cards.
Pensioner poverty rates are rising and poverty among older females is rising slightly faster that poverty among older males.
Since 2013/14 when pensioner poverty started rising again, the rise has been from 12% to 16% for males and from 14% to 20% for females.
Older females have higher poverty rates as they generally live longer than males, and more often have a less complete National Insurance contribution history and more gaps in their employment history.
https://www.jrf.org.uk/data/pensioner-poverty-rates
https://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/nation/2023/01/103_343943.html
...The study on the Non-Socialist Groups, a shadowy surveillance operation inside North Korea, was conducted by the Seoul-based Database Center for North Korean Human Rights. A web-like network of informants keeps ordinary North Korean people in fear and helps embed the culture of bribery, it says.
In a country where everyone breaks the rules, everyone is a potential criminal. The network stifles not just the general public but also the officials who enforce the rules, reinforcing the concentration of power for a very few top leaders. The research is based on interviews with 32 North Koreans who defected to South Korea between 2018 and 2020.
"After Kim took power, the regime has largely targeted outside information, including illegal videos from the South, because it knows such things change the way people think," a North Korean defector said.
More than 25 percent of the North Korean defectors said, "illegal videos" ― mostly from South Korea or the United States ― were the main target of the crackdown, followed by narcotics (17.3 percent), defection attempts (14.7 percent) and "capitalist-like lifestyle" (12 percent). Among them, more than 40 percent said they experienced such inspections daily.
While some North Koreans simply get a slap on the wrist for violating the rules, a few unlucky ones end up dead. If the video in question contains explicit content, execution is almost unavoidable, the report found...
A display of the wrong fleg would definitely be a capital offence.
More trees cutting about.
Shoot anything that moves? Seems trained by US Vietnam Vets.
https://www.standard.co.uk/homesandproperty/property-news/keir-starmer-labour-housing-home-ownership-building-b1028538.html
Edit to be less confrontational -> I agree that the last Labour govt dropped the ball on housebuilding. I think Starmer is different to Blair/Brown and is more prepared to do what works to fix this.
https://twitter.com/trussliz/status/1556767588910305282
18-24 -57%
25-29 -65%
30-39 -63%
40-49 -49%
50-59 -55%
60-69 -40%
70+ - 28%.
So actually the Tories seem to be becoming even more the pensioners' party than in 2019. Losing over 60% of their supporters under 40 and over half of their middle aged supporters is quite something. Still, you can see the logic of the Tories' pensioner-focused core vote strategy. If you want to minimise losses then you should aim to lose support the most where you have fewest supporters to begin with.
Especially considering its a semi and next door hasn't been sold yet so is still vacant, which in older homes would cause heating problems too. But right now its snowing, negative temperature outside . . . and my heating is off! The heating is all controlled by a smart thermostat and doesn't come on for long, I'm curious to see what my gas bill will be and how that compares to my prior address.
The only negative, and its one I can live with, is that I'm used to drying clothes in winter on the radiator and sometimes that's struggled as the radiator hasn't been on long enough to dry the clothes. As first world problems go, I'll take that one.
A lot of people like to bash the quality of new builds, or only write negatives, so I wanted to share this as a positive, I'm very impressed. And I'll continue to hope much, much more like this gets constructed so others who are currently renting can benefit by getting into a newer, better home of their own.
Despite the good local results for the Lib Dems in May and good by election results since then, they have been largely forgotten, not least because they had to scrap their conference because of the death of Elizabeth II. Nevertheless, in the ground war, there is a clear recovery in support for Ed Davey´s party. As voters get reminded of the Lib Dems existence, there is every chance that a) they will rise in the polls and b) that the Tories can get squeezed, very much as they did in 1997. Pre-1997, between General Elections the Lib Dems might be at 12% in the polls, but rise to 18%+ during the GE campaign, and that would be my bet for the next election too. So, I think the run up to the campaign could see the fate of the Tories being sealed, and given the vagaries of FPTP, we could see some very dramatic losses indeed for the Conservatives.
It's starting to become the new NATO European standard - and we'd probably get a decent deal to build it on licence.
Challenger is obsolete in concept.
I wonder why this never gets a response......
However Labour have played politics in opposing any loosening of planning restrictions etc, which is unsurprising but disappointing. Oppositions tend to put opposition ahead of doing the right thing. Lets see some concrete, pardon the pun, proposals on how that aspiration is going to be achieved in their manifesto.
I'm guessing it's not just about your current position, but also precisely which way 'north' is, to allow very accurate fire.