It's interesting that so many people should think the government is out of touch with elderly people, despite the lengths they've gone to to shield them from the cuts.
I think it shows how it is almost impossible for political parties to shift the perceptions that people have about them.
I would be surprised if the public thought of UKIP as more grumpy than the other parties.. has there been any polling?
Despite the attempts of thread headers and UKIP haters, almost everyone I know thinks Farage is funny, and a character, even very left wing friends of mine. His BBC Weather report was the most watched page on the bbc website the other day
The better communications get the more grumpy people inevitably become, because, for example, we're all able to access a day by day account on Twitter of exactly how someone like SeanT is paid to sip champagne on a Thai beach while staying in a 1K a night luxury villa. Previously that sort of thing used to happen mainly in private, or at least it wasn't in our faces so much.
1) The power of negative messaging (fair play to Labour) 2) People's inclination to blame the government for bad things (e.g. losing a job) 3) People's inclination to award themselves the credit for good things (e.g. getting a job) 4) The fact that the recession has passed 80%+ of people by (still millions affected, mind you, but most people sailed through without much mishap.
F1: the Caterham nose looks a bit... odd. It's also ruined my brilliant Tusks, Platypus and Rhino categories because it doesn't look like any sort of animal.
I would be surprised if the public thought of UKIP as more grumpy than the other parties.. has there been any polling?
Despite the attempts of thread headers and UKIP haters, almost everyone I know thinks Farage is funny, and a character, even very left wing friends of mine. His BBC Weather report was the most watched page on the bbc website the other day
UKIP are a Teflon party, at the moment. That will change, in time, but it's true for now.
F1: the Caterham nose looks a bit... odd. It's also ruined my brilliant Tusks, Platypus and Rhino categories because it doesn't look like any sort of animal.
It must look like some part of some animal... there are enough to choose from! Picture link and we can all make suggestions?
Somebody should out-flank UKIP by making The Grumpy Party.
Scared of everything? Hate everything? Nothing positive to say about anything? Vote Grumpy!
Trouble is that you know The Grumpy Party would fall short of an absolute majority and would end up in coalition. Imagine the slogan there. Vote Grumpy, Get Dozy.
You need historical context to interpret poll findings like this. Voters are always grumpy and usually pessimistic. For example, throughout the boom year of 2006 - when economic skies were cloudless and the City was shovelling money at Gordon Brown, and he was shovelling it at voters, as never before - the monthly IpsosMORI Economic Optimism never showed more than 13% of respondents saying that the general economic condition of the country would improve over the next 12 months:
I asked OGH earlier but didn't get a reply. Was it the weighting by YouGov which turned a healthy Tory lead in responses into a Labour lead of 2% in last night's poll?
If the Cameroons had held a big televised public inquiry into how the nomenklatura ignored the grooming gangs for twelve years this wouldn't be happening cos people would be too busy being angry at Labour.
I asked OGH earlier but didn't get a reply. Was it the weighting by YouGov which turned a healthy Tory lead in responses into a Labour lead of 2% in last night's poll?
Yes it was the weighting which was compensating for the fact that the Yougov sample voted 46 % Conservative in the last 2010 GE rather than the 37% that actually did so .
...the Yougov sample voted 46 % Conservative in the last 2010 GE rather than the 37% that actually did so .
I assume YouGov are using reported votes dating from 2010 (or perhaps from when someone joined their sample, if later), whereas phone pollsters are presumably asking respondents as part of the poll?
Surprised that neither Red Bull nor McLaren have done any running, nor Williams. I forget what engine Williams is using (I think they've switched to Mercedes, but could be wrong), Red Bull have Renault and McLaren a Mercedes.
FPT - I do wish the Conservatives would end their obsession with the 'Labour Isn't Working' strapline. It has assumed almost mythical status and there is a quasi-religious belief that it somehow was instrumental in winning the 1979 election, claims subsequently shown by several eminent psephologists to be grossly exaggerated. There have been numerous phonetic or graphically similar posters since, 'Labour Still Isn't Working', 'Labour Isn't Learning', 'Let Down By Labour?' etc.
Saatchi & Saatchi must love recycling this every time rather than actually coming up with something new.
One way of testing the idea that voters blame the government for all bad stuff, credit themselves with successes, and assume things are better for everyone else would be to look at similar polling over time.... is this pretty much a one-off poll or does anyone know of something similar in the archives? Would be particularly interesting to see something around 2006/7 before the economy blew up.
...the Yougov sample voted 46 % Conservative in the last 2010 GE rather than the 37% that actually did so .
I assume YouGov are using reported votes dating from 2010 (or perhaps from when someone joined their sample, if later), whereas phone pollsters are presumably asking respondents as part of the poll?
We already have the Sleepy Party (the Greens), the Bashful Party (the Lib Dems) and the Doc Party (Rufus Hound). So the Grumpy Party would not be breaking new ground.
Partisans of opposing stripes can decide for themselves which of the two main parties is the Dopey Party.
Very interesting article on how housebuilding policy in the UK and Germany differed post WW2, and how it lead to very low home-ownership rates in Germany, but high quality rental housing.
The interplay between build quality, subsidy, rent control, and private vs. public schemes shows how tricky the problem issue is to approach with a sound and long-lasting policy.
Looking at those figures, and they aren't great figures I admit, they do give a little bit of an indication as to the likely polling range of the Conservatives at the next election (as do the answers on 50p tax where I think 36%(?) agreed it would do economic damage)
32% think the coalition understand small business owners/ entrepreneurs 34% on middle incomes 32% that the Conservatives want everyone to benefit from economic growth 31% who think they'll be personally better off, and... 37% who think Labour would lead to lower economic growth
Once you strip-out/reallocate/ignore the don't knows - plus add Cameron's leadership advantage - there is something to work with there for building an election 'winning' coalition.
The question sort of feels like it'll either drop out with the Conservatives polling 33-34% in the election (but no lower) or with a coordinate Cameron/Osborne/Crosby managing to pump it up to 37-38%, but no higher, which would make all the difference as to who leads the next coalition/minority government.
We already have the Sleepy Party (the Greens), the Bashful Party (the Lib Dems) and the Doc Party (Rufus Hound). So the Grumpy Party would not be breaking new ground.
Partisans of opposing stripes can decide for themselves which of the two main parties is the Dopey Party.
The Lustful Party could hoover up a lot of those Bashful Party candidates, if current events are anything to go by.
We already have the Sleepy Party (the Greens), the Bashful Party (the Lib Dems) and the Doc Party (Rufus Hound). So the Grumpy Party would not be breaking new ground.
Partisans of opposing stripes can decide for themselves which of the two main parties is the Dopey Party.
The Lustful Party could hoover up a lot of those Bashful Party candidates, if current events are anything to go by.
I thought it was the Grumpy Party that was particularly focused on who does the hoovering?
Looking at those figures, and they aren't great figures I admit, they do give a little bit of an indication as to the likely polling range of the Conservatives at the next election (as do the answers on 50p tax where I think 36%(?) agreed it would do economic damage)
32% think the coalition understand small business owners/ entrepreneurs 34% on middle incomes 32% that the Conservatives want everyone to benefit from economic growth 31% who think they'll be personally better off, and... 37% who think Labour would lead to lower economic growth
Once you strip-out/reallocate/ignore the don't knows - plus add Cameron's leadership advantage - there is something to work with there for building an election 'winning' coalition.
The question sort of feels like it'll either drop out with the Conservatives polling 33-34% in the election (but no lower) or with a coordinate Cameron/Osborne/Crosby managing to pump it up to 37-38%, but no higher, which would make all the difference as to who leads the next coalition/minority government.
An astute analysis - 33 - 37% seems like a good estimate for Conservative support at next GE. I reckon 35% personally.
Looking at those figures, and they aren't great figures I admit, they do give a little bit of an indication as to the likely polling range of the Conservatives at the next election (as do the answers on 50p tax where I think 36%(?) agreed it would do economic damage)
32% think the coalition understand small business owners/ entrepreneurs 34% on middle incomes 32% that the Conservatives want everyone to benefit from economic growth 31% who think they'll be personally better off, and... 37% who think Labour would lead to lower economic growth
Once you strip-out/reallocate/ignore the don't knows - plus add Cameron's leadership advantage - there is something to work with there for building an election 'winning' coalition.
The question sort of feels like it'll either drop out with the Conservatives polling 33-34% in the election (but no lower) or with a coordinate Cameron/Osborne/Crosby managing to pump it up to 37-38%, but no higher, which would make all the difference as to who leads the next coalition/minority government.
An astute analysis - 33 - 37% seems like a good estimate for Conservative support at next GE. I reckon 35% personally.
I suppose the counter-analysis would be to note that on a number of these questions, the don't knows are relatively few (often <15%). If you applied an equally rose-tinted view from the Lab perspective, taking into account the decreased attractiveness of the Lib Dems as an "alternative" you'd probably end up concluding a Lab vote share of 60% or more (e.g. "all of those who support 50% tax plus a pro-rata share of "don't knows" will vote for us). Now, I'm struggling to see Ed attracting 60% of any given electoral college, probably including the current shadow cabinet, but it does highlight the risk of this kind of methodology.
The big unknown must be how the polling showing general kneejerk opposition to the government of the day translates into actual votes for the actual opposition - and does the correlation strengthen when the policies of the opposition appear closer to the concerns of the electorate.
Looking at those figures, and they aren't great figures I admit, they do give a little bit of an indication as to the likely polling range of the Conservatives at the next election (as do the answers on 50p tax where I think 36%(?) agreed it would do economic damage)
32% think the coalition understand small business owners/ entrepreneurs 34% on middle incomes 32% that the Conservatives want everyone to benefit from economic growth 31% who think they'll be personally better off, and... 37% who think Labour would lead to lower economic growth
Once you strip-out/reallocate/ignore the don't knows - plus add Cameron's leadership advantage - there is something to work with there for building an election 'winning' coalition.
The question sort of feels like it'll either drop out with the Conservatives polling 33-34% in the election (but no lower) or with a coordinate Cameron/Osborne/Crosby managing to pump it up to 37-38%, but no higher, which would make all the difference as to who leads the next coalition/minority government.
An astute analysis - 33 - 37% seems like a good estimate for Conservative support at next GE. I reckon 35% personally.
I suppose the counter-analysis would be to note that on a number of these questions, the don't knows are relatively few (often
My view isn't particularly rose tinted for the Conservatives though, I think Ed Miliband will be next PM.
But my range of views and betting is from a continuation of the coalition to a small(ish) Labour majority - this analysis appears to back this up.
Not the most serious recent case, but it's sad to see the police acting like twonks. More seriously, Parliamentary privilege should be better understood and protected. It reminds me, writ small, of when a newspaper was prevented by injunction from reporting what had been said in Parliament.
It's just the general rule that people do NOT like the government when it is dealing with a recession - but will heartily approve of it once the recession is perceived to have ended.
I don't like what you are doing . . . . but I like what you did.
32% think the coalition understand small business owners/ entrepreneurs 34% on middle incomes 32% that the Conservatives want everyone to benefit from economic growth 31% who think they'll be personally better off, and... 37% who think Labour would lead to lower economic growth
Once you strip-out/reallocate/ignore the don't knows - plus add Cameron's leadership advantage - there is something to work with there for building an election 'winning' coalition.
The question sort of feels like it'll either drop out with the Conservatives polling 33-34% in the election (but no lower) or with a coordinate Cameron/Osborne/Crosby managing to pump it up to 37-38%, but no higher, which would make all the difference as to who leads the next coalition/minority government.
An astute analysis - 33 - 37% seems like a good estimate for Conservative support at next GE. I reckon 35% personally.
I suppose the counter-analysis would be to note that on a number of these questions, the don't knows are relatively few (often
Pulpstar - thanks.
Polruan - you are correctly, it's risky to directly infer very much from these figures. I'm working on the basis that if voters are willing to say something positive about the government and the Conservatives at this stage of the electoral cycle (particularly in the core battleground areas of economic growth working for "people like me" - i.e not big business/the wealthiest taxpayers) then that is worth nothing.
I confess there is not much science behind my intepretation of the figures. I am using them as signposts and a guide. We're talking about trying to predict the future here.
On that point, like Pulpstar, I also feel I'm not being particularly rose-tinted for the Conservatives. Predicting a maximum vote share of 38% for a 'job well done' is pretty derisory.
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"Iraq's intention to challenge Saudi Arabia's status as the "swing producer" in the OPEC cartel could see a dramatic fall in oil prices if Baghdad decides to break the group's quotas and sell more of its crude on the open market."
"Iraq's intention to challenge Saudi Arabia's status as the "swing producer" in the OPEC cartel could see a dramatic fall in oil prices if Baghdad decides to break the group's quotas and sell more of its crude on the open market."
Not worrying me about my bet with Fluffy Thoughts.
"Iraq's intention to challenge Saudi Arabia's status as the "swing producer" in the OPEC cartel could see a dramatic fall in oil prices if Baghdad decides to break the group's quotas and sell more of its crude on the open market."
That could f*ck Saudi Arabia up. They spend a colossal amount on social support for their population (only half of which are allowed to work, and unemployment amongst that half is very high). It's a widely held view that the Royal Family retains its grip on power by making sure everyone is kept happy and comfortable. As income tax is zero and they need a high and stable oil price to balance the books, a sharp fall could easily result in widespread social unrest, the departure of swathes of Pakistani and Bangladeshi workers, and a transfer of power to the clerics. The latter are already very influential and sit just one rung below the Taliban in terms of conservatism, as do most of Saudi Arabia rural population and urban working class.
What's really behind this? perhaps the Iraqis suspect the saudis of meddling in their horrible internal politicis....
The world's attitude to Saudi baffles me. They are supposed to be an ally and friend, and yet they are said to be behind every militant Islam group going.
What's really behind this? perhaps the Iraqis suspect the saudis of meddling in their horrible internal politicis....
The world's attitude to Saudi baffles me. They are supposed to be an ally and friend, and yet they are said to be behind every militant Islam group going.
The world's attitude to Saudi Arabia is an example of 'tolerance' for all the wrong reasons.
What's really behind this? perhaps the Iraqis suspect the saudis of meddling in their horrible internal politicis....
The world's attitude to Saudi baffles me. They are supposed to be an ally and friend, and yet they are said to be behind every militant Islam group going.
It doesn't baffle me , how much oil does Saudi produce again?
The comments to that article have to be seen to be believed. 'Fruitcakes and loons' doesn't begin to cover it; they are incredibly indignant, but there's absolutely nothing in the article to get indignant about.
What's really behind this? perhaps the Iraqis suspect the saudis of meddling in their horrible internal politicis....
The world's attitude to Saudi baffles me. They are supposed to be an ally and friend, and yet they are said to be behind every militant Islam group going.
The House of Saud is a friend (or at least complicit). The deal is:
1. We keep them in power, 2. The Al-Sauds get very rich 3. They spend some of that money as Danegeld paying off the Wahhabites 4. The Wahhabites spend that money on making life miserable for us
The problem we face is if the deal falls apart, then Wahhabites take over in Saudi and it become a mecca (apologies, couldn't resist) for all sorts of nasty people. And the Wahhabites probably stop the flow of oil.
Personally that's why I thought the US was so keen to dislodge Saddam. With Iraqi and Russian oil freely available, the power and importance of the House of Saud is dramatically reduced.
What's really behind this? perhaps the Iraqis suspect the saudis of meddling in their horrible internal politicis....
The world's attitude to Saudi baffles me. They are supposed to be an ally and friend, and yet they are said to be behind every militant Islam group going.
It doesn't baffle me , how much oil does Saudi produce again?
Iran is Shia, and the Shia majority in Iraq have been gaining ground and power (funded generously by - guess who?), and SA is the centre of Sunni Islam. There's no love lost between the two and I suspect that Iran wants to project some power and influence in that corner of the world as it (temporarily?) reintegrates globally.
"Mr Farage will strike out in favour of cuts to the NHS, pensions, and all the other protected areas of public spending. He will pledge to end the ring-fencing of particular spending: "ridiculous arguments" he told me, specifying the NHS and the triple-lock on pensions. "
"Mr Farage will strike out in favour of cuts to the NHS, pensions, and all the other protected areas of public spending. He will pledge to end the ring-fencing of particular spending: "ridiculous arguments" he told me, specifying the NHS and the triple-lock on pensions. "
The comments to that article have to be seen to be believed.
The comments below the Guardian's latest Islington-based broadside against UKIP are also interesting.
Basically, we are way past the time for insults and condescension. In fact, shut the f8ck up you are making it worse.
UKIP is gaining with the WWC and we have to understand why.
***LEFTY KLAXON***
Using the acronym "WWC" or mentioning there is such a thing as the white working class is the latest thing to spring the passive aggressive lefty mousetrap... be very careful or you'll be end up protesting that youre not a "Banque National de Paris" supporter
The comments to that article have to be seen to be believed. 'Fruitcakes and loons' doesn't begin to cover it; they are incredibly indignant, but there's absolutely nothing in the article to get indignant about.
I've given up reading Telegraph comments altogether since they, regardless of article topic, always end up being about the LibLabCon. If you get to an article quickly the first half-dozen comments can be insightful.
"Mr Farage will strike out in favour of cuts to the NHS, pensions, and all the other protected areas of public spending. He will pledge to end the ring-fencing of particular spending: "ridiculous arguments" he told me, specifying the NHS and the triple-lock on pensions. "
My Dad got hospitalised two years ago on Christmas Day, and so I visited Queens Hospital in Romford for the first time..
The first thing I remember thinking as I walked in, quite stressed and worried, was what the hell was a grand piano doing in the large foyet of this Hospital..
Went into the ward to find Dad chatting to a paranoid schizophrenic that was in the bed opposite his, and I ended up standing there holding the ariel on the tv so they could watch the news without the picture breaking up...
A week later my Dad was discharged having been ready to leave three days earlier but for the lack of a doctor to sign him off over the Christmas period
Last year Queens hospital was put into Special Measures
"Mr Farage will strike out in favour of cuts to the NHS, pensions, and all the other protected areas of public spending. He will pledge to end the ring-fencing of particular spending: "ridiculous arguments" he told me, specifying the NHS and the triple-lock on pensions. "
"Iraq's intention to challenge Saudi Arabia's status as the "swing producer" in the OPEC cartel could see a dramatic fall in oil prices if Baghdad decides to break the group's quotas and sell more of its crude on the open market."
That could f*ck Saudi Arabia up. They spend a colossal amount on social support for their population (only half of which are allowed to work, and unemployment amongst that half is very high). It's a widely held view that the Royal Family retains its grip on power by making sure everyone is kept happy and comfortable. As income tax is zero and they need a high and stable oil price to balance the books, a sharp fall could easily result in widespread social unrest, the departure of swathes of Pakistani and Bangladeshi workers, and a transfer of power to the clerics. The latter are already very influential and sit just one rung below the Taliban in terms of conservatism, as do most of Saudi Arabia rural population and urban working class.
Not a good recipe for anyone.
Russia's budget apparently requires oil to be >USD117.
- "There have been thousands of violations of the National Security Agency and other agencies and authorities every single year."
- Every time you pick up the phone, dial a number, write an email, make a purchase, travel on the bus carrying a cell phone, swipe a card somewhere, you leave a trace and the government has decided that it’s a good idea to collect it all, everything, even if you’ve never been suspected of any crime. Traditionally the government would identify a suspect, they would go to a judge, they would say we suspect he’s committed this crime, they would get a warrant and then they would be able to use the totality of their powers in pursuit of the investigation. Nowadays what we see is they want to apply the totality of their powers in advance - prior to an investigation.
"Iraq's intention to challenge Saudi Arabia's status as the "swing producer" in the OPEC cartel could see a dramatic fall in oil prices if Baghdad decides to break the group's quotas and sell more of its crude on the open market."
That could f*ck Saudi Arabia up. They spend a colossal amount on social support for their population (only half of which are allowed to work, and unemployment amongst that half is very high). It's a widely held view that the Royal Family retains its grip on power by making sure everyone is kept happy and comfortable. As income tax is zero and they need a high and stable oil price to balance the books, a sharp fall could easily result in widespread social unrest, the departure of swathes of Pakistani and Bangladeshi workers, and a transfer of power to the clerics. The latter are already very influential and sit just one rung below the Taliban in terms of conservatism, as do most of Saudi Arabia rural population and urban working class.
Not a good recipe for anyone.
Russia's budget apparently requires oil to be >USD117.
Also not good (apart from seeing the back of Putin), but at least the spectre of a radicalised caliphate with armed to the teeth with modern weapons isn't in that scenario.
Iran may (have been?) be bonkers, but their armed forces are still in the 1980s at best. The Saudis have a lot of scary toys.
UKIP is very difficult to trash. Attack it from the left and you're branded a metropolitan trendy liberal lefty idiot (Which may be true...), say they will cut funding to the NHS and the comments are a mixture of "No they won't, you're making it up" to "Good ! The NHS needs serious change anyway".
It's supporters may well be mostly WWC and it's leader a Kent city-boy made good, but it's also a wonderfully blank canvas, something to project your own vision of how you want politics to turn out onto. A way of sticking two fingers up to the perceived rule by metropolitan elite.
Indeed, Mr. Pulpstar. It'd be fascinating to know how UKIP would be doing if one of the big three parties was not led by a fortysomething Oxbridge SPAD type.
- Every time you pick up the phone, dial a number, write an email, make a purchase, travel on the bus carrying a cell phone, swipe a card somewhere, you leave a trace and the government has decided that it’s a good idea to collect it all, everything, even if you’ve never been suspected of any crime. Traditionally the government would identify a suspect, they would go to a judge, they would say we suspect he’s committed this crime, they would get a warrant and then they would be able to use the totality of their powers in pursuit of the investigation. Nowadays what we see is they want to apply the totality of their powers in advance - prior to an investigation.
- Every time you pick up the phone, dial a number, write an email, make a purchase, travel on the bus carrying a cell phone, swipe a card somewhere, you leave a trace and the government has decided that it’s a good idea to collect it all, everything, even if you’ve never been suspected of any crime. Traditionally the government would identify a suspect, they would go to a judge, they would say we suspect he’s committed this crime, they would get a warrant and then they would be able to use the totality of their powers in pursuit of the investigation. Nowadays what we see is they want to apply the totality of their powers in advance - prior to an investigation.
- "When you are on the inside and you go into work everyday and you sit down at the desk and you realise the power you have - you can wire tap the President of the United States, you can wire tap a Federal Judge and if you do it carefully no one will ever know"
- "But what (the review boards investigating the illegal NSA programs) found was that these programs have no value, they’ve never stopped a terrorist attack in the United States and they have marginal utility at best for other things...The National Security agency operates under the President’s executive authority alone. He can end of modify or direct a change of their policies at any time."
- "I can track your username on a website on a form somewhere, I can track your real name, I can track associations with your friends and I can build what’s called a fingerprint which is network activity unique to you which means anywhere you go in the world anywhere you try to sort of hide your online presence hide your identity, the NSA can find you."
- "So realistically what’s happening is when they say there’s no spying on Germans, they don’t mean that German data isn’t being gathered, they don’t mean that records aren’t being taken or stolen, what they mean is that they’re not intentionally searching for German citizens. And that’s sort of a fingers crossed behind the back promise, it’s not reliable."
- "The problem there is you end up in a situation where government policies are being influenced by private corporations who have interests that are completely divorced from the public good in mind. The result of that is what we saw at Booze Allen Hamilton where you have private individuals who have access to what the government alleges were millions and millions of records that they could walk out the door with at any time with no accountability, no oversight, no auditing, the government didn’t even know they were gone."
Shame the majority of it is either wrong or a direct lie. He was a sys admin. He has no access to any tasking, he wasn't in a position to collect anybody's data let alone the POTUS. He is massively overstating the role he held.
Don't try to reason with a raving CyberKipper or get them to elaborate on their views, you get the same sensation quicker from banging your head repeatedly against the nearest wall.
I find it funny how some people (and this is not just a UKIP thing; right and left are also 'guilty') seem unable to expand on simple definitions, or give reasons behind their thinking.
Perhaps the only people not happy about today's news are Ed Balls and his fellow miserablists. At each stage they have predicted the worst – millions more out of work, a triple-dip recession and even economic uncertainty caused by the prospect of an EU referendum. At each stage they have been completely wrong.
Meanwhile, under President François Hollande, the disastrous implementation of plan B has seen French unemployment reach a record high.
Labour should be as glad as the rest of us to have dodged that bullet – a little shamefaced, but glad their scaremongering about austerity has proved to be unfounded.
In reality, they are nothing of the sort. Balls is as red-faced and defiant as ever, and seems to view the word "sorry" as an expletive.
-- "So realistically what’s happening is when they say there’s no spying on Germans, they don’t mean that German data isn’t being gathered, they don’t mean that records aren’t being taken or stolen, what they mean is that they’re not intentionally searching for German citizens. And that’s sort of a fingers crossed behind the back promise, it’s not reliable."
- "The problem there is you end up in a situation where government policies are being influenced by private corporations who have interests that are completely divorced from the public good in mind. The result of that is what we saw at Booze Allen Hamilton where you have private individuals who have access to what the government alleges were millions and millions of records that they could walk out the door with at any time with no accountability, no oversight, no auditing, the government didn’t even know they were gone."
Shame the majority of it is either wrong or a direct lie. He was a sys admin. He has no access to any tasking, he wasn't in a position to collect anybody's data let alone the POTUS. He is massively overstating the role he held.
He know his audience.
I thought that as a right-winger you would believe in a "small" State...
-- "So realistically what’s happening is when they say there’s no spying on Germans, they don’t mean that German data isn’t being gathered, they don’t mean that records aren’t being taken or stolen, what they mean is that they’re not intentionally searching for German citizens. And that’s sort of a fingers crossed behind the back promise, it’s not reliable."
- "The problem there is you end up in a situation where government policies are being influenced by private corporations who have interests that are completely divorced from the public good in mind. The result of that is what we saw at Booze Allen Hamilton where you have private individuals who have access to what the government alleges were millions and millions of records that they could walk out the door with at any time with no accountability, no oversight, no auditing, the government didn’t even know they were gone."
Shame the majority of it is either wrong or a direct lie. He was a sys admin. He has no access to any tasking, he wasn't in a position to collect anybody's data let alone the POTUS. He is massively overstating the role he held.
He know his audience.
I thought that as a right-winger you would believe in a "small" State...
I'd like to see myself as socially centre-left, economically right.
People will probably laugh at that.
I also believe in a world that is becoming ever more complex, the size of the state probably has to increase a little.
Shame the majority of it is either wrong or a direct lie. He was a sys admin. He has no access to any tasking, he wasn't in a position to collect anybody's data let alone the POTUS. He is massively overstating the role he held.
He know his audience.
Spy agencies spy, its a real shocker. Still he does highlight one good point which is that the US / NSA had shocking security to allow him to walk off with all this data and not even realise it.
UKIP is very difficult to trash. Attack it from the left and you're branded a metropolitan trendy liberal lefty idiot (Which may be true...), say they will cut funding to the NHS and the comments are a mixture of "No they won't, you're making it up" to "Good ! The NHS needs serious change anyway".
It's supporters may well be mostly WWC and it's leader a Kent city-boy made good, but it's also a wonderfully blank canvas, something to project your own vision of how you want politics to turn out onto. A way of sticking two fingers up to the perceived rule by metropolitan elite.
After the May elections that canvas will be filled in a little. No doubt the other parties will also be trialling their 2015 platforms.
"The NewKIP faction wants the days after the European elections to be the moment when the party surprises people. During what is expected to be a big moment in the spotlight the aim is to showcase opposition to privatisation of the NHS and preview tax cuts for the working and middle classes."
A "better off with UKIP" pitch should be do-able. Today's ComRes shows there are a lot of people who feel the Con/LD gov't are not looking out for them.
Right. Because skilled intelligence operators that know their way around computers can never access things other than what they're officially allowed to right? It's not like he has already released documents that were way above his intelligence level, or that the US Government has not been able to determine what he did or did not access...
Some people have their heads so far in the sand here. This used to be a country that cared about our rights and liberties...
It's worth bearing in mind that our government has not retrenched on any of the crap that GCHQ is doing with the NSA. This despite a "liberal" Conservative as PM and a "liberal" Democrat as DPM. They've all studied PPE at school, yet none of them seem to value things like protection against searches without warrants, or innocence until proven guilty.
Right. Because skilled intelligence operators that know their way around computers can never access things other than what they're officially allowed to right? It's not like he has already released documents that were way above his intelligence level, or that the US Government has not been able to determine what he did or did not access...
Some people have their heads so far in the sand here. This used to be a country that cared about our rights and liberties...
They who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. - Benjamin Franklin, 1755.
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I think it shows how it is almost impossible for political parties to shift the perceptions that people have about them.
That's the Conservatives election campaign.
Despite the attempts of thread headers and UKIP haters, almost everyone I know thinks Farage is funny, and a character, even very left wing friends of mine. His BBC Weather report was the most watched page on the bbc website the other day
Its a familiar refrain too -
'make the weather better and give us a tax cut'.
a. In what category do you place yourself?
b. Are you doing enough to improve your lot?
1) The power of negative messaging (fair play to Labour)
2) People's inclination to blame the government for bad things (e.g. losing a job)
3) People's inclination to award themselves the credit for good things (e.g. getting a job)
4) The fact that the recession has passed 80%+ of people by (still millions affected, mind you, but most people sailed through without much mishap.
When will YouGov show Conservatives level with or leading Labour?
Q1 2014 4/1 <---- VALUE!
Q2 2014 6/1
Q3 2014 11/4
Q4 2014 9/2
Not before 2015 11/8
http://www.paddypower.com/bet/novelty-betting/other-politics/uk-politics?ev_oc_grp_ids=1159292
Has any CoE ever been personally responsible for a recovery ?
Deborah earning her corn.
http://www.ipsos-mori.com/researchpublications/researcharchive/poll.aspx?oItemID=43
http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/72575000/jpg/_72575684_bfemhyccaaawjps-1.jpg
Of course they would. If there's nobody else in government there's nobody else to get grumpy with.
It's not a great likeness - but it did remind me somewhat of the protruding forehead above a narrow snout of the beluga whale. http://animals.nationalgeographic.com/animals/mammals/beluga-whale/
Surprised that neither Red Bull nor McLaren have done any running, nor Williams. I forget what engine Williams is using (I think they've switched to Mercedes, but could be wrong), Red Bull have Renault and McLaren a Mercedes.
Saatchi & Saatchi must love recycling this every time rather than actually coming up with something new.
Partisans of opposing stripes can decide for themselves which of the two main parties is the Dopey Party.
http://qz.com/167887/germany-has-one-of-the-worlds-lowest-homeownership-rates
The interplay between build quality, subsidy, rent control, and private vs. public schemes shows how tricky the problem issue is to approach with a sound and long-lasting policy.
32% think the coalition understand small business owners/ entrepreneurs
34% on middle incomes
32% that the Conservatives want everyone to benefit from economic growth
31% who think they'll be personally better off, and...
37% who think Labour would lead to lower economic growth
Once you strip-out/reallocate/ignore the don't knows - plus add Cameron's leadership advantage - there is something to work with there for building an election 'winning' coalition.
The question sort of feels like it'll either drop out with the Conservatives polling 33-34% in the election (but no lower) or with a coordinate Cameron/Osborne/Crosby managing to pump it up to 37-38%, but no higher, which would make all the difference as to who leads the next coalition/minority government.
The big unknown must be how the polling showing general kneejerk opposition to the government of the day translates into actual votes for the actual opposition - and does the correlation strengthen when the policies of the opposition appear closer to the concerns of the electorate.
But my range of views and betting is from a continuation of the coalition to a small(ish) Labour majority - this analysis appears to back this up.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-25930167
Not the most serious recent case, but it's sad to see the police acting like twonks. More seriously, Parliamentary privilege should be better understood and protected. It reminds me, writ small, of when a newspaper was prevented by injunction from reporting what had been said in Parliament.
Please do not copy and paste entire pieces from other websites, or a majority of an article.
In future a couple of paragraphs and a link will be sufficient.
I don't like what you are doing . . . . but I like what you did.
Anyone can live like a king - for thirteen years.
Polruan - you are correctly, it's risky to directly infer very much from these figures. I'm working on the basis that if voters are willing to say something positive about the government and the Conservatives at this stage of the electoral cycle (particularly in the core battleground areas of economic growth working for "people like me" - i.e not big business/the wealthiest taxpayers) then that is worth nothing.
I confess there is not much science behind my intepretation of the figures. I am using them as signposts and a guide. We're talking about trying to predict the future here.
On that point, like Pulpstar, I also feel I'm not being particularly rose-tinted for the Conservatives. Predicting a maximum vote share of 38% for a 'job well done' is pretty derisory.
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"Meet Ukip, Britain's most working-class party"
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukipwatch/100256765/meet-ukip-britains-most-working-class-party/
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/energy/10601899/Iraq-and-Iran-plot-oil-revolution-in-challenge-to-Saudi-Arabia.html
"Iraq's intention to challenge Saudi Arabia's status as the "swing producer" in the OPEC cartel could see a dramatic fall in oil prices if Baghdad decides to break the group's quotas and sell more of its crude on the open market."
Not a good recipe for anyone.
What's really behind this? perhaps the Iraqis suspect the saudis of meddling in their horrible internal politicis....
The world's attitude to Saudi baffles me. They are supposed to be an ally and friend, and yet they are said to be behind every militant Islam group going.
1. We keep them in power,
2. The Al-Sauds get very rich
3. They spend some of that money as Danegeld paying off the Wahhabites
4. The Wahhabites spend that money on making life miserable for us
The problem we face is if the deal falls apart, then Wahhabites take over in Saudi and it become a mecca (apologies, couldn't resist) for all sorts of nasty people. And the Wahhabites probably stop the flow of oil.
Personally that's why I thought the US was so keen to dislodge Saddam. With Iraqi and Russian oil freely available, the power and importance of the House of Saud is dramatically reduced.
They are rooked if the price drops to $70.
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/benedictbrogan/100257048/nigel-farage-the-tories-have-failed-only-ukip-dares-cut-spending-on-nhs-and-pensions/
"Mr Farage will strike out in favour of cuts to the NHS, pensions, and all the other protected areas of public spending. He will pledge to end the ring-fencing of particular spending: "ridiculous arguments" he told me, specifying the NHS and the triple-lock on pensions. "
"Man used first-class airline ticket to get free meals in airport’s VIP lounge for almost a year. Then returned ticket for a refund".
The comments below the Guardian's latest Islington-based broadside against UKIP are also interesting.
Basically, we are way past the time for insults and condescension. In fact, shut the f8ck up you are making it worse.
UKIP is gaining with the WWC and we have to understand why.
Using the acronym "WWC" or mentioning there is such a thing as the white working class is the latest thing to spring the passive aggressive lefty mousetrap... be very careful or you'll be end up protesting that youre not a "Banque National de Paris" supporter
http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/anthropology-in-practice/2013/07/29/dont-read-the-comments-why-do-we-read-the-online-comments-when-we-know-theyll-be-bad/
The big winners are northern cities.
The first thing I remember thinking as I walked in, quite stressed and worried, was what the hell was a grand piano doing in the large foyet of this Hospital..
Went into the ward to find Dad chatting to a paranoid schizophrenic that was in the bed opposite his, and I ended up standing there holding the ariel on the tv so they could watch the news without the picture breaking up...
A week later my Dad was discharged having been ready to leave three days earlier but for the lack of a doctor to sign him off over the Christmas period
Last year Queens hospital was put into Special Measures
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/man-who-plunged-to-death-from-jp-morgan-hq-roof-in-canary-wharf-named-as-it-worker-gabriel-magee-9089919.html
We'll see how grateful northern city voters are shortly in Sale & Wythenshawe.
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/finance/ambroseevans-pritchard/100026424/60-oil-will-finish-russias-putin-regime-says-hermitages-browder/
http://www.ndr.de/ratgeber/netzwelt/snowden277_page-1.html
- "There have been thousands of violations of the National Security Agency and other agencies and authorities every single year."
- Every time you pick up the phone, dial a number, write an email, make a purchase, travel on the bus carrying a cell phone, swipe a card somewhere, you leave a trace and the government has decided that it’s a good idea to collect it all, everything, even if you’ve never been suspected of any crime. Traditionally the government would identify a suspect, they would go to a judge, they would say we suspect he’s committed this crime, they would get a warrant and then they would be able to use the totality of their powers in pursuit of the investigation. Nowadays what we see is they want to apply the totality of their powers in advance - prior to an investigation.
Sounds like Farage is going down a brave route.
Iran may (have been?) be bonkers, but their armed forces are still in the 1980s at best. The Saudis have a lot of scary toys.
It's supporters may well be mostly WWC and it's leader a Kent city-boy made good, but it's also a wonderfully blank canvas, something to project your own vision of how you want politics to turn out onto. A way of sticking two fingers up to the perceived rule by metropolitan elite.
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/f817d252-82a4-11e3-8119-00144feab7de.html
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-25473146
Oil companies are lobbying government to lift export restrictions that have been in place since the '73 oil shock.
US domestic crude trades 11 dollars a barrel cheaper than the global market price.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-25931677
People will probably laugh at that.
I also believe in a world that is becoming ever more complex, the size of the state probably has to increase a little.
Again, people will probably laugh at that ... ;-)
1st attempt: golf clubs
didn't work
2nd attempt: cloth caps and whippets
"The NewKIP faction wants the days after the European elections to be the moment when the party surprises people. During what is expected to be a big moment in the spotlight the aim is to showcase opposition to privatisation of the NHS and preview tax cuts for the working and middle classes."
http://www.ukipdaily.com/tim-montgomerie-begins-take-ukip-seriously-cameron-needs-ask-pickfords-quote/
A "better off with UKIP" pitch should be do-able. Today's ComRes shows there are a lot of people who feel the Con/LD gov't are not looking out for them.
That's a pretty big and massively unlikely IF !
"It is based on your vigorous defence of Lord Rennard in the media, which indicates to me a lack of understanding of women's issues."
Oh Crikey oh riley.
- Benjamin Franklin, 1755.