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  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,840

    Ban this sick filth.


    Baked beans are disgusting, but the idea that they're particularly bad because of the kind of bread that they're on is daft
    Baked beans (not Heinz) is the epicurean nourishment of the Gods, but without a fried egg atop. That is a vile combination.
    When I said baked beans, I meant all tinned ones I’ve had the misfortune to try

    I quite like baking beans in a homemade sauce
    Crosse and Blackwell not too bad, actually.
  • Ban this sick filth.


    Baked beans are disgusting, but the idea that they're particularly bad because of the kind of bread that they're on is daft
    Baked beans (not Heinz) is the epicurean nourishment of the Gods, but without a fried egg atop. That is a vile combination.
    When I said baked beans, I meant all tinned ones I’ve had the misfortune to try

    I quite like baking beans in a homemade sauce
    My Mum makes a lovely Tuscan bean stew. She sometimes makes me it for lunches

    When she does, I fart about a hundred times between lunch and dinner

    It's delicious, and it amuses me and helps to warm my trousers
  • Scott_xP said:

    Didier Deschamps - the youngest ever captain to win the champions league, with Marseille (the only French team to ever do it). Lifted the World Cup and the European Championship as captain, looking like he’s going to do it twice as a manager.

    But is he really any good?

    https://twitter.com/tompeck/status/1603132436711632896

    The Marseille stuff doesn't count.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_Tapie#Legal_difficulties
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,339
    Just made cioppino. SENSATIONAL

    Swapped in some sherry to replace the white wine, a bit of lava salt, dashi and red wine vinegar in the stock, fennel to replace celery

    OOOOF

    That is my political contribution of the day
  • kle4 said:

    ITV report Boris has made over 1 million in 4 speeches since leaving office

    If I lived in Uxbridge I'd take a pretty dim view of my MP being either on holiday or away making speeches, and neglecting his constituents.

    Mind you, I don't live in Uxbridge and I still take a pretty dim view.
    Fair point here.

    Most right thinking people agree that what Matt Hancock did was unacceptable whoring for money and attention.

    But Boris's antics are OK?
    In theory, someone whoring themselves out for money is immediately contactable in an urgent situation. Committing to being away for weeks, even if you would leave if there was an emergency, is of a slightly different kind to that.
    MPs are politicians, not paramedics.
    While Hancock was in the jungle, the sky did not fall in on West Suffolk, and there was no knife-edge vote in the HoC.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368
    Carnyx said:

    Ban this sick filth.


    Baked beans are disgusting, but the idea that they're particularly bad because of the kind of bread that they're on is daft
    Baked beans (not Heinz) is the epicurean nourishment of the Gods, but without a fried egg atop. That is a vile combination.
    When I said baked beans, I meant all tinned ones I’ve had the misfortune to try

    I quite like baking beans in a homemade sauce
    Crosse and Blackwell not too bad, actually.
    Rebranded as Branston. My favourites too, Heinz are overated.

    Anyway. Vive les bleus
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368

    Ban this sick filth.


    Baked beans are disgusting, but the idea that they're particularly bad because of the kind of bread that they're on is daft
    Baked beans (not Heinz) is the epicurean nourishment of the Gods, but without a fried egg atop. That is a vile combination.
    When I said baked beans, I meant all tinned ones I’ve had the misfortune to try

    I quite like baking beans in a homemade sauce
    My Mum makes a lovely Tuscan bean stew. She sometimes makes me it for lunches

    When she does, I fart about a hundred times between lunch and dinner

    It's delicious, and it amuses me and helps to warm my trousers
    Far too much information.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,718
     

    Carnyx said:

    Ban this sick filth.


    Baked beans are disgusting, but the idea that they're particularly bad because of the kind of bread that they're on is daft
    Baked beans (not Heinz) is the epicurean nourishment of the Gods, but without a fried egg atop. That is a vile combination.
    When I said baked beans, I meant all tinned ones I’ve had the misfortune to try

    I quite like baking beans in a homemade sauce
    Crosse and Blackwell not too bad, actually.
    Rebranded as Branston. My favourites too, Heinz are overated.

    Anyway. Vive les bleus
    What colours will they wear in the final. Or is to be blue on blue?

  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,664
    edited December 2022

    Carnyx said:

    Ban this sick filth.


    Baked beans are disgusting, but the idea that they're particularly bad because of the kind of bread that they're on is daft
    Baked beans (not Heinz) is the epicurean nourishment of the Gods, but without a fried egg atop. That is a vile combination.
    When I said baked beans, I meant all tinned ones I’ve had the misfortune to try

    I quite like baking beans in a homemade sauce
    Crosse and Blackwell not too bad, actually.
    Rebranded as Branston. My favourites too, Heinz are overated.

    Anyway. Vive les bleus
    Branston are definitely the best. Unless you make your own, which is a good option (as per Blanche)
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,405
    geoffw said:

     

    Carnyx said:

    Ban this sick filth.


    Baked beans are disgusting, but the idea that they're particularly bad because of the kind of bread that they're on is daft
    Baked beans (not Heinz) is the epicurean nourishment of the Gods, but without a fried egg atop. That is a vile combination.
    When I said baked beans, I meant all tinned ones I’ve had the misfortune to try

    I quite like baking beans in a homemade sauce
    Crosse and Blackwell not too bad, actually.
    Rebranded as Branston. My favourites too, Heinz are overated.

    Anyway. Vive les bleus
    What colours will they wear in the final. Or is to be blue on blue?

    We’ve had enough blue on blue over the summer… Left the country in a hell of a mess.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,840

    Ban this sick filth.


    Baked beans are disgusting, but the idea that they're particularly bad because of the kind of bread that they're on is daft
    Baked beans (not Heinz) is the epicurean nourishment of the Gods, but without a fried egg atop. That is a vile combination.
    When I said baked beans, I meant all tinned ones I’ve had the misfortune to try

    I quite like baking beans in a homemade sauce
    My Mum makes a lovely Tuscan bean stew. She sometimes makes me it for lunches

    When she does, I fart about a hundred times between lunch and dinner

    It's delicious, and it amuses me and helps to warm my trousers
    Far too much information.
    I wondered why posties like to wear shorts.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,840

    Ban this sick filth.


    Baked beans are disgusting, but the idea that they're particularly bad because of the kind of bread that they're on is daft
    Baked beans (not Heinz) is the epicurean nourishment of the Gods, but without a fried egg atop. That is a vile combination.
    When I said baked beans, I meant all tinned ones I’ve had the misfortune to try

    I quite like baking beans in a homemade sauce
    My Mum makes a lovely Tuscan bean stew. She sometimes makes me it for lunches

    When she does, I fart about a hundred times between lunch and dinner

    It's delicious, and it amuses me and helps to warm my trousers
    There was a poster on PB at the initial and most frightening height of the you know what epidemic who positively liked to break wind in bed - if he could smell it he knew he was OK. Can't remember what he said about his wife's feelings, though.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,900
    edited December 2022
    Betfair Exchange, World Cup winner:-
    Argentina 2
    France 1.99
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,718
    Carnyx said:

    Ban this sick filth.


    Baked beans are disgusting, but the idea that they're particularly bad because of the kind of bread that they're on is daft
    Baked beans (not Heinz) is the epicurean nourishment of the Gods, but without a fried egg atop. That is a vile combination.
    When I said baked beans, I meant all tinned ones I’ve had the misfortune to try

    I quite like baking beans in a homemade sauce
    My Mum makes a lovely Tuscan bean stew. She sometimes makes me it for lunches

    When she does, I fart about a hundred times between lunch and dinner

    It's delicious, and it amuses me and helps to warm my trousers
    Far too much information.
    I wondered why posties like to wear shorts.
    Hot pants might do nicely in the circs.

  • TimSTimS Posts: 12,995
    edited December 2022

    Carnyx said:

    Ban this sick filth.


    Baked beans are disgusting, but the idea that they're particularly bad because of the kind of bread that they're on is daft
    Baked beans (not Heinz) is the epicurean nourishment of the Gods, but without a fried egg atop. That is a vile combination.
    When I said baked beans, I meant all tinned ones I’ve had the misfortune to try

    I quite like baking beans in a homemade sauce
    Crosse and Blackwell not too bad, actually.
    Rebranded as Branston. My favourites too, Heinz are overated.

    Anyway. Vive les bleus
    Branston are definitely the best. Unless you make your own, which is a good option.
    I like tinned and home made ones. An underrated food I think, and of course the tinned version will be very handy in the post nuclear blast period if the Ukraine war goes war-games on us.

    Most home made beans are too hard, not cooked long enough. They work well when pressure-cooked and properly soft, or slow cooked as in a cassoulet.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103
    Saw this online, which is fun electoral titbit. (I suppose tidbit, as it is american).

    There’s a great statue in the Utah State House of Martha Hughes Cannon, who became 1896 the USA’s first female state Senator.

    Utah was an early mover on women’s suffrage in 1870.

    Especially remarkably, Martha won election against her husband!


    https://twitter.com/GregHands/status/1601582215703715840
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,587
    edited December 2022
    Betting post.

    Just put my France winnings on Biden to win in 2024 at 3/1. I think the biggest risk is that he doesn't run, of course. But he has made some positive noises about running.
  • DJ41DJ41 Posts: 792
    edited December 2022
    Pro_Rata said:

    Cookie said:

    Away from ruminating and marvelling at the beauty of Eva Kaili, and back on topic, I'm wondering about these reduced Labour poll leads at the moment. What's causing them ? We should, as people have said, be getting higher poll leads from Labour if people are suffering with the weather and higher heating bills at the moment, which should also be shading into a general perception of struggling amid the cost of living crisis. Perhaps these effects will take time to feed through ? Or perhaps there's something different going on.

    MoonRabbit I know is particularly interested in this topic, so perhaps she has something to contribute on it.

    People won't be feeling the cost of heating their house in December until February or March.
    Some folk have pre-payment meters.
    Really depends how proactive and stubborn they have been in managing their direct debits. A lot of DDs were hiked before the energy support scheme came in and attempt to give a 12 months forward view.

    So many will be paying an estimate, fair or otherwise, of both current costs and known future increases.

    So, imho, it is hitting now cost wise. What I don't know, with payment much more easy and statements all online, is how many of those not on the breadline have yet noticed the erosion of their account balances.
    A practice pioneered by Ovo by any chance? Sooner or later it will hit people's consciousness that Britain's second biggest energy supplier is majority-owned by one man. That's a man who started a business with £350K he'd saved in 2009 and 12 years later was worth £675M according to the Sunday Times's Rich List. Ovo charged customers in advance for electricity before it was common.

    His bank must absolutely love him, given how many people his direct debiting will be putting into lovely tasty sexy chargeable debt.

    So electricity suppliers are taking money out of customers' accounts for what they "estimate" they may be liable to pay in the future? It wasn't like that in the past.

    Where is the left? The line to take is an absolute no-brainer:

    1. Encourage the mass action of cancelling direct debits. (The only sensible line on DD is "Just don't do it".)
    2. Promise to nationalise. No prevarication.
    3. Tell the Tories, "Come on, let's hear you defend that c***." Force them to talk trickledown and entrepreneurialism. See if it works.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,648
    edited December 2022
    kle4 said:

    Saw this online, which is fun electoral titbit. (I suppose tidbit, as it is american).

    There’s a great statue in the Utah State House of Martha Hughes Cannon, who became 1896 the USA’s first female state Senator.

    Utah was an early mover on women’s suffrage in 1870.

    Especially remarkably, Martha won election against her husband!


    https://twitter.com/GregHands/status/1601582215703715840

    The story is even better than that:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martha_Hughes_Cannon

    "Martha Maria Hughes Cannon was born near Llandudno, Caernarfonshire, Wales on July 1, 1857. Her family immigrated to the United States as converts to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church) and traveled West to settle in Utah territory with other Saints.

    She became the fourth of six wives in a polygamous marriage to Angus M. Cannon, a prominent Latter-day Saint leader during the anti-polygamy crusade. Cannon exiled herself to Europe so she wouldn't have to testify against her husband. Upon returning to Utah, Cannon worked as a doctor and fought for women's rights. She helped put women enfranchisement into Utah's constitution when it was granted statehood in 1896. On November 3, 1896 Cannon became the first female State Senator elected in the United States, defeating her own husband, who was also on the ballot."
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,969
    edited December 2022
    So, having knocked out Spain and Portugal, Morocco are finally eliminated from the World Cup by France.

    Shades of the early Middle Ages when the Moors conquered Spain and Portugal and the Iberian Peninsular but were held back by the French at Tours
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,015
    HYUFD said:

    So, having knocked out Spain and Portugal, Morocco are finally eliminated from the World Cup by France.

    Shades of the early Middle Ages when the Moors conquered Spain and Portugal and the Iberian Peninsular but were held back by the French at Tours

    That's why you rarely see North African riders in the Tours de France.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,969
    edited December 2022

    Striking demographic divisions in Canada, both on age and gender:

    image

    https://twitter.com/ipoliticsca/status/1603061608346968069

    Liberals can win older age voters in a way that socialists can't, eg Macron also won over 65s in May as Trudeau leads with pensioners (the social democrat NDP by contrast still does best with the youngest voters).

    Poilievre campaigned hard on an anti lockdown, libertarian platform, so has made some inroads for Conservatives with younger voters. At the cost it seems of losing votes in its traditional support amongst the oldest voters in Canada.

    The male voters more conservative, female voters more liberal left however is more similar to what we see here in the UK and elsewhere in the Western world
  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,652
    DJ41 said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    Cookie said:

    Away from ruminating and marvelling at the beauty of Eva Kaili, and back on topic, I'm wondering about these reduced Labour poll leads at the moment. What's causing them ? We should, as people have said, be getting higher poll leads from Labour if people are suffering with the weather and higher heating bills at the moment, which should also be shading into a general perception of struggling amid the cost of living crisis. Perhaps these effects will take time to feed through ? Or perhaps there's something different going on.

    MoonRabbit I know is particularly interested in this topic, so perhaps she has something to contribute on it.

    People won't be feeling the cost of heating their house in December until February or March.
    Some folk have pre-payment meters.
    Really depends how proactive and stubborn they have been in managing their direct debits. A lot of DDs were hiked before the energy support scheme came in and attempt to give a 12 months forward view.

    So many will be paying an estimate, fair or otherwise, of both current costs and known future increases.

    So, imho, it is hitting now cost wise. What I don't know, with payment much more easy and statements all online, is how many of those not on the breadline have yet noticed the erosion of their account balances.
    A practice pioneered by Ovo by any chance? Sooner or later it will hit people's consciousness that Britain's second biggest energy supplier is majority-owned by one man. That's a man who started a business with £350K he'd saved in 2009 and 12 years later was worth £675M according to the Sunday Times's Rich List. Ovo charged customers in advance for electricity before it was common.

    His bank must absolutely love him, given how many people his direct debiting will be putting into lovely tasty sexy chargeable debt.

    So electricity suppliers are taking money out of customers' accounts for what they "estimate" they may be liable to pay in the future? It wasn't like that in the past.

    Where is the left? The line to take is an absolute no-brainer:

    1. Encourage the mass action of cancelling direct debits. (The only sensible line on DD is "Just don't do it".)
    2. Promise to nationalise. No prevarication.
    3. Tell the Tories, "Come on, let's hear you defend that c***." Force them to talk trickledown and entrepreneurialism. See if it works.
    People used to be conscientious but have stopped bothering to report.

    Striking demographic divisions in Canada, both on age and gender:

    image

    https://twitter.com/ipoliticsca/status/1603061608346968069

    Some very funky bar charts. I remember Canada's Angus Reid when they were polling for PB - do Canada's polls require a pinch of salt?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103

    kle4 said:

    ITV report Boris has made over 1 million in 4 speeches since leaving office

    If I lived in Uxbridge I'd take a pretty dim view of my MP being either on holiday or away making speeches, and neglecting his constituents.

    Mind you, I don't live in Uxbridge and I still take a pretty dim view.
    Fair point here.

    Most right thinking people agree that what Matt Hancock did was unacceptable whoring for money and attention.

    But Boris's antics are OK?
    In theory, someone whoring themselves out for money is immediately contactable in an urgent situation. Committing to being away for weeks, even if you would leave if there was an emergency, is of a slightly different kind to that.
    MPs are politicians, not paramedics.
    While Hancock was in the jungle, the sky did not fall in on West Suffolk, and there was no knife-edge vote in the HoC.
    That's a stupid comparison. No they are not paramedics, so what? It doesn't prevent plenty of people thinking it is not a good idea for them to just take a month off willy nilly. The job has no contracted hours of work or duties, so yes they can do it, unlike a paramedic, but they usually claim they stand in order to serve the public. There's plenty of opportunity to not do so. Contrarily, not as man will care that they spent a few hours at event speaking.
  • The story of Grant Wahl's death is very sad but why does it seem to be treated as a major news item?

    Plenty of people die before they should. It is tragic but it is not uncommon.

  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,405

    The story of Grant Wahl's death is very sad but why does it seem to be treated as a major news item?

    Plenty of people die before they should. It is tragic but it is not uncommon.

    Media person so other media people think it’s very important. A bit like when poor Sarah Everard was murdered it struck a cord with lots of young women, who saw themselves in a similar situation (far more so than for most of the other women murdered each year).
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,015
    Foxy said:
    Conservative support eroding. Just like the constituencies themselves.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,969
    edited December 2022
    Foxy said:
    Should make the Tories a bit posher under Sunak anyway, if Margate, Blackpool, Great Yarmouth, Rhyl, Plymouth etc all go back to Labour along with most of the redwall seats Boris won. Sunak still polling better in the posh bluewall seats in the home counties however.

    TSE will be able to say he is a Tory again at his fancy dinner parties for the first time since Cameron! Just Starmer will also end up PM
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,159

    The story of Grant Wahl's death is very sad but why does it seem to be treated as a major news item?

    Plenty of people die before they should. It is tragic but it is not uncommon.

    Maybe because there was some Leon type conspiracy theory stuff around it.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,015
    HYUFD said:

    Foxy said:
    Should make the Tories a bit posher under Sunak anyway, if Margate, Blackpool, Great Yarmouth, Rhyl, Plymouth etc all go back to Labour along with most of the redwall seats Boris won. Sunak still polling better in the posh bluewall seats in the home counties however.

    TSE will be able to say he is a Tory again at his fancy dinner parties for the first time since Cameron! Just Starmer will also end up PM
    Dinner parties?

    Always supper parties with Cammo and the Chipping Norton set.
  • kinabalu said:

    The story of Grant Wahl's death is very sad but why does it seem to be treated as a major news item?

    Plenty of people die before they should. It is tragic but it is not uncommon.

    Maybe because there was some Leon type conspiracy theory stuff around it.
    Didn't hear that. Pray tell.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,406

    Foxy said:
    Conservative support eroding. Just like the constituencies themselves.
    A pedant writes.
    The constituencies on the west coast are tending to expand not erode, as the coastline springs back from the weight of the ice. That's why Blackpool promenade isn't often near the sea.
    That felt good.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,015
    This thread will be playing on Saturday for third place...
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,661
    Coastal constituencies in England and Wales, voting intention:

    LAB: 38% (+9)
    CON: 32% (-19)
    LDEM: 9% (-2)

    via @YouGov, chgs. w/ 2019

    @BNHWalker's writeup:
    sotn.newstatesman.com/2022/12/how-la…

    So a 14 point swing in another rather diverse supposed wall set of seats. I am sure a young LD will be along in a minute to assure us that because there's a full moon then Sunak will be home and dry.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,840
    Foxy said:

    Coastal constituencies in England and Wales, voting intention:

    LAB: 38% (+9)
    CON: 32% (-19)
    LDEM: 9% (-2)

    via @YouGov, chgs. w/ 2019

    @BNHWalker's writeup:
    sotn.newstatesman.com/2022/12/how-la…

    So a 14 point swing in another rather diverse supposed wall set of seats. I am sure a young LD will be along in a minute to assure us that because there's a full moon then Sunak will be home and dry.

    Full moon? He'd have to time it carefully.
  • New thread.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,073
    .

    Nigelb said:

    Pretty sure this will hold true in humans, too.

    A microbiome-dependent gut–brain pathway regulates motivation for exercise
    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-022-05525-z
    Exercise exerts a wide range of beneficial effects for healthy physiology1. However, the mechanisms regulating an individual’s motivation to engage in physical activity remain incompletely understood. An important factor stimulating the engagement in both competitive and recreational exercise is the motivating pleasure derived from prolonged physical activity, which is triggered by exercise-induced neurochemical changes in the brain. Here, we report on the discovery of a gut–brain connection in mice that enhances exercise performance by augmenting dopamine signalling during physical activity. We find that microbiome-dependent production of endocannabinoid metabolites in the gut stimulates the activity of TRPV1-expressing sensory neurons and thereby elevates dopamine levels in the ventral striatum during exercise. Stimulation of this pathway improves running performance, whereas microbiome depletion, peripheral endocannabinoid receptor inhibition, ablation of spinal afferent neurons or dopamine blockade abrogate exercise capacity. These findings indicate that the rewarding properties of exercise are influenced by gut-derived interoceptive circuits and provide a microbiome-dependent explanation for interindividual variability in exercise performance. Our study also suggests that interoceptomimetic molecules that stimulate the transmission of gut-derived signals to the brain may enhance the motivation for exercise...

    TRPV1 also the target for capsaicin (from chillies) so that’s piqued my interest. Some decent studies suggest eating spicy food 3 or 4 times a week is beneficial to overall health (reduced mortality).
    Not for me - I’m allergic to the damn things, sadly.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,397
    DJ41 said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    Cookie said:

    Away from ruminating and marvelling at the beauty of Eva Kaili, and back on topic, I'm wondering about these reduced Labour poll leads at the moment. What's causing them ? We should, as people have said, be getting higher poll leads from Labour if people are suffering with the weather and higher heating bills at the moment, which should also be shading into a general perception of struggling amid the cost of living crisis. Perhaps these effects will take time to feed through ? Or perhaps there's something different going on.

    MoonRabbit I know is particularly interested in this topic, so perhaps she has something to contribute on it.

    People won't be feeling the cost of heating their house in December until February or March.
    Some folk have pre-payment meters.
    Really depends how proactive and stubborn they have been in managing their direct debits. A lot of DDs were hiked before the energy support scheme came in and attempt to give a 12 months forward view.

    So many will be paying an estimate, fair or otherwise, of both current costs and known future increases.

    So, imho, it is hitting now cost wise. What I don't know, with payment much more easy and statements all online, is how many of those not on the breadline have yet noticed the erosion of their account balances.
    A practice pioneered by Ovo by any chance? Sooner or later it will hit people's consciousness that Britain's second biggest energy supplier is majority-owned by one man. That's a man who started a business with £350K he'd saved in 2009 and 12 years later was worth £675M according to the Sunday Times's Rich List. Ovo charged customers in advance for electricity before it was common.

    His bank must absolutely love him, given how many people his direct debiting will be putting into lovely tasty sexy chargeable debt.

    So electricity suppliers are taking money out of customers' accounts for what they "estimate" they may be liable to pay in the future? It wasn't like that in the past.

    Where is the left? The line to take is an absolute no-brainer:

    1. Encourage the mass action of cancelling direct debits. (The only sensible line on DD is "Just don't do it".)
    2. Promise to nationalise. No prevarication.
    3. Tell the Tories, "Come on, let's hear you defend that c***." Force them to talk trickledown and entrepreneurialism. See if it works.
    It’s nothing to do with Ovo. It’s been happening ever since direct debits became a thing in the 1990s. And it would be just as bad under state management.

    You can, however, demand that it is adjusted up or down and they have no lawful power to refuse.
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