Quite a revealing comment from Meghan Markle. She seemed to see the Royal Family as a kind of British Kardashians.
@chrisshipitv Meghan says “I thought it was a joke” when she was told she would have to curtsy to Harry’s grandmother, the Queen on their first meeting. In her interview, Meghan performs a deep bow with her arms outstretched and says “Pleasure to meet you Your Majesty” and asked “was that ok?”
She's American. The Declaration of Independence states that "we hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal..." and so it's hardly surprising that she is bewildered by the idea of curtseying to somebody, especially in private to a member of her husband's family. I'm British, and a moderate monarchist, and it seems kind of archaic even to me. People forget how wide the cultural gap is between the UK and the US, on many dimensions.
Maybe, but she chose to marry into that family and the traditions it comes with.
That's true. I think she was mad to do so, the idea that a Black American woman marrying into the Royal Family under the gaze of the British press was going to be anything other than a total shitshow is for the birds. My own personal theory is that Harry married her precisely because he saw her as his exit from a life that had caused him nothing but misery. That exit is complicated of course. They seem like nice people and I wish them luck.
' 'A life that had caused him nothing but misery', it got him an Eton education, paid for staff, security and accomodation and motorcade and flights for life, a big taxpayer funded wedding and titles and a place in the line of succession he and his children still have
Things he would have been unlikely to have in his life if he was Harry Windsor, ex army officer now Foxtons estate agent living in Wandsworth. And not a member of that awful racist family from this evil racist country.
1. A place at Eton as he is thick and wouldn’t have passed entrance. 2. Choices of the regiments in the army he served in - wouldn’t have looked so dapper at his wedding in the Mercian Regiment’s dress uniform compared to HC. 3. Serving in the army with huge protection - not for him an outpost like Kajaki as an irrelevant infantry officer. 4. Invictus games - why would the brains behind it have Harry Windsor front it - nobody has heard of him. 5. A job, would have been sacked as the social media photos showing him dressed as a nazi would have seen him out on his ear. 6. A free house. 7. Hot and cold running travel to Botswana for his third date amongst other global travels. 8. A date with a C-list US actress. 9. A dad he can ask for millions from to help set up home in a massive mansion in California. 10. A deal to make a story about his relationship from Netflix. are So maybe he might realise one day that he actually owes all he has and has had to the people he is slamming and there is nothing of his personal genius in how he is in the position he is now.
They have entrance exams at Eton? What's the point if they let in so many dumb boys?
They don't, the latter normally end up at Stowe, where Harry would probably have gone if he was just Spencer not royal
That’s decades out of date. Back in the day Stowe was indeed the home of Tim Nice But Dim and mainly taught rugby.
They are now an academic school like most other private schools.
They are more academic than they were but still well behind Eton, Winchester, Westminster, Oundle, Sevenoaks, St Pauls etc academically.
Though yes other schools like Harrodian also now offer a less academic private education
What is this oracular nonsense? Unless you work for Gabbitas & Thring (if they are still a thring) or are a university admissions tutor what on earth would you know about it?
Quite a revealing comment from Meghan Markle. She seemed to see the Royal Family as a kind of British Kardashians.
@chrisshipitv Meghan says “I thought it was a joke” when she was told she would have to curtsy to Harry’s grandmother, the Queen on their first meeting. In her interview, Meghan performs a deep bow with her arms outstretched and says “Pleasure to meet you Your Majesty” and asked “was that ok?”
She's American. The Declaration of Independence states that "we hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal..." and so it's hardly surprising that she is bewildered by the idea of curtseying to somebody, especially in private to a member of her husband's family. I'm British, and a moderate monarchist, and it seems kind of archaic even to me. People forget how wide the cultural gap is between the UK and the US, on many dimensions.
Maybe, but she chose to marry into that family and the traditions it comes with.
That's true. I think she was mad to do so, the idea that a Black American woman marrying into the Royal Family under the gaze of the British press was going to be anything other than a total shitshow is for the birds. My own personal theory is that Harry married her precisely because he saw her as his exit from a life that had caused him nothing but misery. That exit is complicated of course. They seem like nice people and I wish them luck.
' 'A life that had caused him nothing but misery', it got him an Eton education, paid for staff, security and accomodation and motorcade and flights for life, a big taxpayer funded wedding and titles and a place in the line of succession he and his children still have
Things he would have been unlikely to have in his life if he was Harry Windsor, ex army officer now Foxtons estate agent living in Wandsworth. And not a member of that awful racist family from this evil racist country.
1. A place at Eton as he is thick and wouldn’t have passed entrance. 2. Choices of the regiments in the army he served in - wouldn’t have looked so dapper at his wedding in the Mercian Regiment’s dress uniform compared to HC. 3. Serving in the army with huge protection - not for him an outpost like Kajaki as an irrelevant infantry officer. 4. Invictus games - why would the brains behind it have Harry Windsor front it - nobody has heard of him. 5. A job, would have been sacked as the social media photos showing him dressed as a nazi would have seen him out on his ear. 6. A free house. 7. Hot and cold running travel to Botswana for his third date amongst other global travels. 8. A date with a C-list US actress. 9. A dad he can ask for millions from to help set up home in a massive mansion in California. 10. A deal to make a story about his relationship from Netflix.
So maybe he might realise one day that he actually owes all he has and has had to the people he is slamming and there is nothing of his personal genius in how he is in the position he is now.
They have entrance exams at Eton? What's the point if they let in so many dumb boys?
Only two questions on the paper: Who are your parents? How much money have they got?
If you are minded to go there it is now fiendishly difficult to get into Eton. And once there it is indeed a hothouse with very little tolerance of slack academic achievement.
It suits many people to denigrate it and that usually comes with envy or resentment and that's fair enough I understand why; it's a club and you (they) are outside it. Plus its pupils often go on to run the world or close to it so who wouldn't be resentful of that.
When stumbling across somebody who opposes schools like Eton how do you suss out if he or she is driven by resentment or by a genuine belief that such institutions are incompatible with even a semblance of equal opportunities?
It would be interesting to conduct an experiment amongst anti-public school types. If at the right age, offer an all expenses paid place at Eton or Benenden to their offspring or, hand on heart, ask whether they would have liked their offspring to go to those schools.
I'm sure some - you I have no doubt - would stick to your line of sending your children to the local comp but it might nevertheless provoke an internal debate which would give some sort of a clue as to why people are in favour of them.
I'd rather the choice:
a) all the children in your familial line have the no expense spared educations
Megan Markle keeps making such a big deal about her race. I can’t have been the only one who watched the first couple of series of Suits without realising she was black (as she calls herself) and being a bit bemused when Bunky Bunk from the Wire was introduced as her father in Series 3. She is of course conditioned to see the whole world through the prism of race, as it seems are the Netflix producers. Meanwhile most of us in Britain don’t spend much time thinking about skin pigmentation.
Also I saw a bizarre quote from Harry that he thought everyone should be impressed that he as a ginger could score such a “beautiful woman”. Quite the inferiority complex on display from that comment. She ain’t all that. Beauty comes in many forms too, odd he’s not learnt that yet. And also what’s wrong with being ginger?
Hopefully now their lived experience has been shared, these two quite trivial people will disappear with their money.
They would disappear tomorrow morning if everyone stopped buying/watching/consuming stuff about them.
Quite a revealing comment from Meghan Markle. She seemed to see the Royal Family as a kind of British Kardashians.
@chrisshipitv Meghan says “I thought it was a joke” when she was told she would have to curtsy to Harry’s grandmother, the Queen on their first meeting. In her interview, Meghan performs a deep bow with her arms outstretched and says “Pleasure to meet you Your Majesty” and asked “was that ok?”
She's American. The Declaration of Independence states that "we hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal..." and so it's hardly surprising that she is bewildered by the idea of curtseying to somebody, especially in private to a member of her husband's family. I'm British, and a moderate monarchist, and it seems kind of archaic even to me. People forget how wide the cultural gap is between the UK and the US, on many dimensions.
Maybe, but she chose to marry into that family and the traditions it comes with.
That's true. I think she was mad to do so, the idea that a Black American woman marrying into the Royal Family under the gaze of the British press was going to be anything other than a total shitshow is for the birds. My own personal theory is that Harry married her precisely because he saw her as his exit from a life that had caused him nothing but misery. That exit is complicated of course. They seem like nice people and I wish them luck.
' 'A life that had caused him nothing but misery', it got him an Eton education, paid for staff, security and accomodation and motorcade and flights for life, a big taxpayer funded wedding and titles and a place in the line of succession he and his children still have
Things he would have been unlikely to have in his life if he was Harry Windsor, ex army officer now Foxtons estate agent living in Wandsworth. And not a member of that awful racist family from this evil racist country.
1. A place at Eton as he is thick and wouldn’t have passed entrance. 2. Choices of the regiments in the army he served in - wouldn’t have looked so dapper at his wedding in the Mercian Regiment’s dress uniform compared to HC. 3. Serving in the army with huge protection - not for him an outpost like Kajaki as an irrelevant infantry officer. 4. Invictus games - why would the brains behind it have Harry Windsor front it - nobody has heard of him. 5. A job, would have been sacked as the social media photos showing him dressed as a nazi would have seen him out on his ear. 6. A free house. 7. Hot and cold running travel to Botswana for his third date amongst other global travels. 8. A date with a C-list US actress. 9. A dad he can ask for millions from to help set up home in a massive mansion in California. 10. A deal to make a story about his relationship from Netflix. are So maybe he might realise one day that he actually owes all he has and has had to the people he is slamming and there is nothing of his personal genius in how he is in the position he is now.
They have entrance exams at Eton? What's the point if they let in so many dumb boys?
They don't, the latter normally end up at Stowe, where Harry would probably have gone if he was just Spencer not royal
That’s decades out of date. Back in the day Stowe was indeed the home of Tim Nice But Dim and mainly taught rugby.
They are now an academic school like most other private schools.
They are more academic than they were but still well behind Eton, Winchester, Westminster, Oundle, Sevenoaks, St Pauls etc academically.
Though yes other schools like Harrodian also now offer a less academic private education
What is this oracular nonsense? Unless you work for Gabbitas & Thring (if they are still a thring) or are a university admissions tutor what on earth would you know about it?
Men in family behaving like complete nitwits - spiteful monkeys in fact - over bikes, bikes, for God's sake! Daughter is having romantic complications. Yours truly is wondering how the hell it is that 3 apparently grown men have all the emotional acuity and sense of toddlers. And what on earth I can do - other than be there to be vented at, to provide tea and hugs - for daughter. Love and misery. A large part of life.
Meanwhile who looks after me? No-one. All I have is you lot - and you're probably all figments of @Leon's Chat Thingy which, fascinating and speedy as it no doubt is, is quite unable to give me (or anyone) the sort of hug that makes people feel better.
So there are times when I think all this marriage/motherhood malarkey is not all it's cracked up to be. Today is such a time. The attractions of hi'ing off to a nunnery: to wear simple black every day and spend my days quietly gardening, reading and contemplating life (you mostly bugger everything up every day) become more appealing. Earth to earth and all that. May as well start now.
What about your daughter then, though ?
My wife has (I think) managed to train me slightly better.
Quite a revealing comment from Meghan Markle. She seemed to see the Royal Family as a kind of British Kardashians.
@chrisshipitv Meghan says “I thought it was a joke” when she was told she would have to curtsy to Harry’s grandmother, the Queen on their first meeting. In her interview, Meghan performs a deep bow with her arms outstretched and says “Pleasure to meet you Your Majesty” and asked “was that ok?”
She's American. The Declaration of Independence states that "we hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal..." and so it's hardly surprising that she is bewildered by the idea of curtseying to somebody, especially in private to a member of her husband's family. I'm British, and a moderate monarchist, and it seems kind of archaic even to me. People forget how wide the cultural gap is between the UK and the US, on many dimensions.
Maybe, but she chose to marry into that family and the traditions it comes with.
That's true. I think she was mad to do so, the idea that a Black American woman marrying into the Royal Family under the gaze of the British press was going to be anything other than a total shitshow is for the birds. My own personal theory is that Harry married her precisely because he saw her as his exit from a life that had caused him nothing but misery. That exit is complicated of course. They seem like nice people and I wish them luck.
' 'A life that had caused him nothing but misery', it got him an Eton education, paid for staff, security and accomodation and motorcade and flights for life, a big taxpayer funded wedding and titles and a place in the line of succession he and his children still have
Things he would have been unlikely to have in his life if he was Harry Windsor, ex army officer now Foxtons estate agent living in Wandsworth. And not a member of that awful racist family from this evil racist country.
1. A place at Eton as he is thick and wouldn’t have passed entrance. 2. Choices of the regiments in the army he served in - wouldn’t have looked so dapper at his wedding in the Mercian Regiment’s dress uniform compared to HC. 3. Serving in the army with huge protection - not for him an outpost like Kajaki as an irrelevant infantry officer. 4. Invictus games - why would the brains behind it have Harry Windsor front it - nobody has heard of him. 5. A job, would have been sacked as the social media photos showing him dressed as a nazi would have seen him out on his ear. 6. A free house. 7. Hot and cold running travel to Botswana for his third date amongst other global travels. 8. A date with a C-list US actress. 9. A dad he can ask for millions from to help set up home in a massive mansion in California. 10. A deal to make a story about his relationship from Netflix.
So maybe he might realise one day that he actually owes all he has and has had to the people he is slamming and there is nothing of his personal genius in how he is in the position he is now.
They have entrance exams at Eton? What's the point if they let in so many dumb boys?
Only two questions on the paper: Who are your parents? How much money have they got?
If you are minded to go there it is now fiendishly difficult to get into Eton. And once there it is indeed a hothouse with very little tolerance of slack academic achievement.
It suits many people to denigrate it and that usually comes with envy or resentment and that's fair enough I understand why; it's a club and you (they) are outside it. Plus its pupils often go on to run the world or close to it so who wouldn't be resentful of that.
When stumbling across somebody who opposes schools like Eton how do you suss out if he or she is driven by resentment or by a genuine belief that such institutions are incompatible with even a semblance of equal opportunities?
It would be interesting to conduct an experiment amongst anti-public school types. If at the right age, offer an all expenses paid place at Eton or Benenden to their offspring or, hand on heart, ask whether they would have liked their offspring to go to those schools.
I'm sure some - you I have no doubt - would stick to your line of sending your children to the local comp but it might nevertheless provoke an internal debate which would give some sort of a clue as to why people are in favour of them.
I'd rather the choice:
a) all the children in your familial line have the no expense spared educations
b) the country's fee paying schools are abolished
But that wasn't the question. Private schools exist and we can see from our various PMs and Archbishops of Canterburys and so forth what that can mean for future prospects.
In such a world you must answer the question I asked.
Quite a revealing comment from Meghan Markle. She seemed to see the Royal Family as a kind of British Kardashians.
@chrisshipitv Meghan says “I thought it was a joke” when she was told she would have to curtsy to Harry’s grandmother, the Queen on their first meeting. In her interview, Meghan performs a deep bow with her arms outstretched and says “Pleasure to meet you Your Majesty” and asked “was that ok?”
She's American. The Declaration of Independence states that "we hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal..." and so it's hardly surprising that she is bewildered by the idea of curtseying to somebody, especially in private to a member of her husband's family. I'm British, and a moderate monarchist, and it seems kind of archaic even to me. People forget how wide the cultural gap is between the UK and the US, on many dimensions.
Maybe, but she chose to marry into that family and the traditions it comes with.
That's true. I think she was mad to do so, the idea that a Black American woman marrying into the Royal Family under the gaze of the British press was going to be anything other than a total shitshow is for the birds. My own personal theory is that Harry married her precisely because he saw her as his exit from a life that had caused him nothing but misery. That exit is complicated of course. They seem like nice people and I wish them luck.
' 'A life that had caused him nothing but misery', it got him an Eton education, paid for staff, security and accomodation and motorcade and flights for life, a big taxpayer funded wedding and titles and a place in the line of succession he and his children still have
Things he would have been unlikely to have in his life if he was Harry Windsor, ex army officer now Foxtons estate agent living in Wandsworth. And not a member of that awful racist family from this evil racist country.
1. A place at Eton as he is thick and wouldn’t have passed entrance. 2. Choices of the regiments in the army he served in - wouldn’t have looked so dapper at his wedding in the Mercian Regiment’s dress uniform compared to HC. 3. Serving in the army with huge protection - not for him an outpost like Kajaki as an irrelevant infantry officer. 4. Invictus games - why would the brains behind it have Harry Windsor front it - nobody has heard of him. 5. A job, would have been sacked as the social media photos showing him dressed as a nazi would have seen him out on his ear. 6. A free house. 7. Hot and cold running travel to Botswana for his third date amongst other global travels. 8. A date with a C-list US actress. 9. A dad he can ask for millions from to help set up home in a massive mansion in California. 10. A deal to make a story about his relationship from Netflix. are So maybe he might realise one day that he actually owes all he has and has had to the people he is slamming and there is nothing of his personal genius in how he is in the position he is now.
They have entrance exams at Eton? What's the point if they let in so many dumb boys?
They don't, the latter normally end up at Stowe, where Harry would probably have gone if he was just Spencer not royal
That’s decades out of date. Back in the day Stowe was indeed the home of Tim Nice But Dim and mainly taught rugby.
They are now an academic school like most other private schools.
They are more academic than they were but still well behind Eton, Winchester, Westminster, Oundle, Sevenoaks, St Pauls etc academically.
Though yes other schools like Harrodian also now offer a less academic private education
What is this oracular nonsense? Unless you work for Gabbitas & Thring (if they are still a thring) or are a university admissions tutor what on earth would you know about it?
Megan Markle keeps making such a big deal about her race. I can’t have been the only one who watched the first couple of series of Suits without realising she was black (as she calls herself) and being a bit bemused when Bunky Bunk from the Wire was introduced as her father in Series 3. She is of course conditioned to see the whole world through the prism of race, as it seems are the Netflix producers. Meanwhile most of us in Britain don’t spend much time thinking about skin pigmentation.
Also I saw a bizarre quote from Harry that he thought everyone should be impressed that he as a ginger could score such a “beautiful woman”. Quite the inferiority complex on display from that comment. She ain’t all that. Beauty comes in many forms too, odd he’s not learnt that yet. And also what’s wrong with being ginger?
Hopefully now their lived experience has been shared, these two quite trivial people will disappear with their money.
They would disappear tomorrow morning if everyone stopped buying/watching/consuming stuff about them.
Perhaps the government should issue a D-notice concerning them.
Quite a revealing comment from Meghan Markle. She seemed to see the Royal Family as a kind of British Kardashians.
@chrisshipitv Meghan says “I thought it was a joke” when she was told she would have to curtsy to Harry’s grandmother, the Queen on their first meeting. In her interview, Meghan performs a deep bow with her arms outstretched and says “Pleasure to meet you Your Majesty” and asked “was that ok?”
She's American. The Declaration of Independence states that "we hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal..." and so it's hardly surprising that she is bewildered by the idea of curtseying to somebody, especially in private to a member of her husband's family. I'm British, and a moderate monarchist, and it seems kind of archaic even to me. People forget how wide the cultural gap is between the UK and the US, on many dimensions.
Maybe, but she chose to marry into that family and the traditions it comes with.
That's true. I think she was mad to do so, the idea that a Black American woman marrying into the Royal Family under the gaze of the British press was going to be anything other than a total shitshow is for the birds. My own personal theory is that Harry married her precisely because he saw her as his exit from a life that had caused him nothing but misery. That exit is complicated of course. They seem like nice people and I wish them luck.
' 'A life that had caused him nothing but misery', it got him an Eton education, paid for staff, security and accomodation and motorcade and flights for life, a big taxpayer funded wedding and titles and a place in the line of succession he and his children still have
Things he would have been unlikely to have in his life if he was Harry Windsor, ex army officer now Foxtons estate agent living in Wandsworth. And not a member of that awful racist family from this evil racist country.
1. A place at Eton as he is thick and wouldn’t have passed entrance. 2. Choices of the regiments in the army he served in - wouldn’t have looked so dapper at his wedding in the Mercian Regiment’s dress uniform compared to HC. 3. Serving in the army with huge protection - not for him an outpost like Kajaki as an irrelevant infantry officer. 4. Invictus games - why would the brains behind it have Harry Windsor front it - nobody has heard of him. 5. A job, would have been sacked as the social media photos showing him dressed as a nazi would have seen him out on his ear. 6. A free house. 7. Hot and cold running travel to Botswana for his third date amongst other global travels. 8. A date with a C-list US actress. 9. A dad he can ask for millions from to help set up home in a massive mansion in California. 10. A deal to make a story about his relationship from Netflix. are So maybe he might realise one day that he actually owes all he has and has had to the people he is slamming and there is nothing of his personal genius in how he is in the position he is now.
They have entrance exams at Eton? What's the point if they let in so many dumb boys?
They don't, the latter normally end up at Stowe, where Harry would probably have gone if he was just Spencer not royal
That’s decades out of date. Back in the day Stowe was indeed the home of Tim Nice But Dim and mainly taught rugby.
They are now an academic school like most other private schools.
They are more academic than they were but still well behind Eton, Winchester, Westminster, Oundle, Sevenoaks, St Pauls etc academically.
Though yes other schools like Harrodian also now offer a less academic private education
Just need to make Eton 100% scholarship for poor children and 0% feepaying. It's what the founder wouldk have wanted.
Moving more in that direction with Foundation Scholarships and 100% bursaries.
Yes of course Henry VIth founded Eton to provide free education to 70 poor boys who would then go on to King's College, Cambridge which he also founded, the wealthy able to afford private tutors
But that's like saying an earthworm is moving to the sky every time it goes up its burrow. It needs to be 100% non paying. Someone needs to take it to the Charity Commission.
If Starmer removes private schools charitable status they will become just even more for the offspring of the international super rich
Megan Markle keeps making such a big deal about her race. I can’t have been the only one who watched the first couple of series of Suits without realising she was black (as she calls herself) and being a bit bemused when Bunky Bunk from the Wire was introduced as her father in Series 3. She is of course conditioned to see the whole world through the prism of race, as it seems are the Netflix producers. Meanwhile most of us in Britain don’t spend much time thinking about skin pigmentation.
Also I saw a bizarre quote from Harry that he thought everyone should be impressed that he as a ginger could score such a “beautiful woman”. Quite the inferiority complex on display from that comment. She ain’t all that. Beauty comes in many forms too, odd he’s not learnt that yet. And also what’s wrong with being ginger?
Hopefully now their lived experience has been shared, these two quite trivial people will disappear with their money.
I think she is genunely very beautiful, much more so than the Addams Family-looking Kate. Plus there may be many forms of beauty, but monogamy dictates concentrating on one form at a time.
Quite a revealing comment from Meghan Markle. She seemed to see the Royal Family as a kind of British Kardashians.
@chrisshipitv Meghan says “I thought it was a joke” when she was told she would have to curtsy to Harry’s grandmother, the Queen on their first meeting. In her interview, Meghan performs a deep bow with her arms outstretched and says “Pleasure to meet you Your Majesty” and asked “was that ok?”
She's American. The Declaration of Independence states that "we hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal..." and so it's hardly surprising that she is bewildered by the idea of curtseying to somebody, especially in private to a member of her husband's family. I'm British, and a moderate monarchist, and it seems kind of archaic even to me. People forget how wide the cultural gap is between the UK and the US, on many dimensions.
Maybe, but she chose to marry into that family and the traditions it comes with.
That's true. I think she was mad to do so, the idea that a Black American woman marrying into the Royal Family under the gaze of the British press was going to be anything other than a total shitshow is for the birds. My own personal theory is that Harry married her precisely because he saw her as his exit from a life that had caused him nothing but misery. That exit is complicated of course. They seem like nice people and I wish them luck.
' 'A life that had caused him nothing but misery', it got him an Eton education, paid for staff, security and accomodation and motorcade and flights for life, a big taxpayer funded wedding and titles and a place in the line of succession he and his children still have
Things he would have been unlikely to have in his life if he was Harry Windsor, ex army officer now Foxtons estate agent living in Wandsworth. And not a member of that awful racist family from this evil racist country.
1. A place at Eton as he is thick and wouldn’t have passed entrance. 2. Choices of the regiments in the army he served in - wouldn’t have looked so dapper at his wedding in the Mercian Regiment’s dress uniform compared to HC. 3. Serving in the army with huge protection - not for him an outpost like Kajaki as an irrelevant infantry officer. 4. Invictus games - why would the brains behind it have Harry Windsor front it - nobody has heard of him. 5. A job, would have been sacked as the social media photos showing him dressed as a nazi would have seen him out on his ear. 6. A free house. 7. Hot and cold running travel to Botswana for his third date amongst other global travels. 8. A date with a C-list US actress. 9. A dad he can ask for millions from to help set up home in a massive mansion in California. 10. A deal to make a story about his relationship from Netflix. are So maybe he might realise one day that he actually owes all he has and has had to the people he is slamming and there is nothing of his personal genius in how he is in the position he is now.
They have entrance exams at Eton? What's the point if they let in so many dumb boys?
They don't, the latter normally end up at Stowe, where Harry would probably have gone if he was just Spencer not royal
That’s decades out of date. Back in the day Stowe was indeed the home of Tim Nice But Dim and mainly taught rugby.
They are now an academic school like most other private schools.
They are more academic than they were but still well behind Eton, Winchester, Westminster, Oundle, Sevenoaks, St Pauls etc academically.
Though yes other schools like Harrodian also now offer a less academic private education
Just need to make Eton 100% scholarship for poor children and 0% feepaying. It's what the founder wouldk have wanted.
Moving more in that direction with Foundation Scholarships and 100% bursaries.
Yes of course Henry VIth founded Eton to provide free education to 70 poor boys who would then go on to King's College, Cambridge which he also founded, the wealthy able to afford private tutors
But that's like saying an earthworm is moving to the sky every time it goes up its burrow. It needs to be 100% non paying. Someone needs to take it to the Charity Commission.
If Starmer removes private schools charitable status they will become just even more for the offspring of the international super rich
True dat.
Plus I expect RoI private sector will rather boom, I expect schools there have all sorts of EU protections against tax grabs.
mind you my nephews live there but go to Shrewsbury so standards must be pretty dire.
Quite a revealing comment from Meghan Markle. She seemed to see the Royal Family as a kind of British Kardashians.
@chrisshipitv Meghan says “I thought it was a joke” when she was told she would have to curtsy to Harry’s grandmother, the Queen on their first meeting. In her interview, Meghan performs a deep bow with her arms outstretched and says “Pleasure to meet you Your Majesty” and asked “was that ok?”
She's American. The Declaration of Independence states that "we hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal..." and so it's hardly surprising that she is bewildered by the idea of curtseying to somebody, especially in private to a member of her husband's family. I'm British, and a moderate monarchist, and it seems kind of archaic even to me. People forget how wide the cultural gap is between the UK and the US, on many dimensions.
Maybe, but she chose to marry into that family and the traditions it comes with.
That's true. I think she was mad to do so, the idea that a Black American woman marrying into the Royal Family under the gaze of the British press was going to be anything other than a total shitshow is for the birds. My own personal theory is that Harry married her precisely because he saw her as his exit from a life that had caused him nothing but misery. That exit is complicated of course. They seem like nice people and I wish them luck.
' 'A life that had caused him nothing but misery', it got him an Eton education, paid for staff, security and accomodation and motorcade and flights for life, a big taxpayer funded wedding and titles and a place in the line of succession he and his children still have
Things he would have been unlikely to have in his life if he was Harry Windsor, ex army officer now Foxtons estate agent living in Wandsworth. And not a member of that awful racist family from this evil racist country.
1. A place at Eton as he is thick and wouldn’t have passed entrance. 2. Choices of the regiments in the army he served in - wouldn’t have looked so dapper at his wedding in the Mercian Regiment’s dress uniform compared to HC. 3. Serving in the army with huge protection - not for him an outpost like Kajaki as an irrelevant infantry officer. 4. Invictus games - why would the brains behind it have Harry Windsor front it - nobody has heard of him. 5. A job, would have been sacked as the social media photos showing him dressed as a nazi would have seen him out on his ear. 6. A free house. 7. Hot and cold running travel to Botswana for his third date amongst other global travels. 8. A date with a C-list US actress. 9. A dad he can ask for millions from to help set up home in a massive mansion in California. 10. A deal to make a story about his relationship from Netflix.
So maybe he might realise one day that he actually owes all he has and has had to the people he is slamming and there is nothing of his personal genius in how he is in the position he is now.
They have entrance exams at Eton? What's the point if they let in so many dumb boys?
Only two questions on the paper: Who are your parents? How much money have they got?
If you are minded to go there it is now fiendishly difficult to get into Eton. And once there it is indeed a hothouse with very little tolerance of slack academic achievement.
It suits many people to denigrate it and that usually comes with envy or resentment and that's fair enough I understand why; it's a club and you (they) are outside it. Plus its pupils often go on to run the world or close to it so who wouldn't be resentful of that.
When stumbling across somebody who opposes schools like Eton how do you suss out if he or she is driven by resentment or by a genuine belief that such institutions are incompatible with even a semblance of equal opportunities?
It would be interesting to conduct an experiment amongst anti-public school types. If at the right age, offer an all expenses paid place at Eton or Benenden to their offspring or, hand on heart, ask whether they would have liked their offspring to go to those schools.
I'm sure some - you I have no doubt - would stick to your line of sending your children to the local comp but it might nevertheless provoke an internal debate which would give some sort of a clue as to why people are in favour of them.
For me: I absolutely would not send my children to a private school under any circumstances.
As for MightyAlex's question, that's trickier as I'd not be in favour of either option (assuming the first option is fee-paying school, not a great education open to everyone) but I guess I'd put my children and their children first and reluctantly abolish all fee paying schools, even though I'd prefer not to deprive other people of the choice.
Megan Markle keeps making such a big deal about her race. I can’t have been the only one who watched the first couple of series of Suits without realising she was black (as she calls herself) and being a bit bemused when Bunky Bunk from the Wire was introduced as her father in Series 3. She is of course conditioned to see the whole world through the prism of race, as it seems are the Netflix producers. Meanwhile most of us in Britain don’t spend much time thinking about skin pigmentation.
Also I saw a bizarre quote from Harry that he thought everyone should be impressed that he as a ginger could score such a “beautiful woman”. Quite the inferiority complex on display from that comment. She ain’t all that. Beauty comes in many forms too, odd he’s not learnt that yet. And also what’s wrong with being ginger?
Hopefully now their lived experience has been shared, these two quite trivial people will disappear with their money.
You're basically saying that if this black foreigner feels she's been a victim of racism in Britain, that is "of course" the fault of her attitude. What does your thinking that way say about yours? You think you know Britain and she doesn't, and therefore she can stick her complaints up her backside? That's what it sounds like. It sounds like screw how she was made to feel here because disrespecting the monarchy isn't the British way. Also how her husband says he felt in the past isn't particularly unusual. Admitting it in what seems to have been a self-critical way is a bit less common. I haven't read the source but I'm not sure why this is bizarre for you. If he has had feelings about having ginger hair, I can't see why he shouldn't talk about them if he wants to. Nobody has to give him their attention.
Quite a revealing comment from Meghan Markle. She seemed to see the Royal Family as a kind of British Kardashians.
@chrisshipitv Meghan says “I thought it was a joke” when she was told she would have to curtsy to Harry’s grandmother, the Queen on their first meeting. In her interview, Meghan performs a deep bow with her arms outstretched and says “Pleasure to meet you Your Majesty” and asked “was that ok?”
She's American. The Declaration of Independence states that "we hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal..." and so it's hardly surprising that she is bewildered by the idea of curtseying to somebody, especially in private to a member of her husband's family. I'm British, and a moderate monarchist, and it seems kind of archaic even to me. People forget how wide the cultural gap is between the UK and the US, on many dimensions.
Maybe, but she chose to marry into that family and the traditions it comes with.
That's true. I think she was mad to do so, the idea that a Black American woman marrying into the Royal Family under the gaze of the British press was going to be anything other than a total shitshow is for the birds. My own personal theory is that Harry married her precisely because he saw her as his exit from a life that had caused him nothing but misery. That exit is complicated of course. They seem like nice people and I wish them luck.
' 'A life that had caused him nothing but misery', it got him an Eton education, paid for staff, security and accomodation and motorcade and flights for life, a big taxpayer funded wedding and titles and a place in the line of succession he and his children still have
Things he would have been unlikely to have in his life if he was Harry Windsor, ex army officer now Foxtons estate agent living in Wandsworth. And not a member of that awful racist family from this evil racist country.
1. A place at Eton as he is thick and wouldn’t have passed entrance. 2. Choices of the regiments in the army he served in - wouldn’t have looked so dapper at his wedding in the Mercian Regiment’s dress uniform compared to HC. 3. Serving in the army with huge protection - not for him an outpost like Kajaki as an irrelevant infantry officer. 4. Invictus games - why would the brains behind it have Harry Windsor front it - nobody has heard of him. 5. A job, would have been sacked as the social media photos showing him dressed as a nazi would have seen him out on his ear. 6. A free house. 7. Hot and cold running travel to Botswana for his third date amongst other global travels. 8. A date with a C-list US actress. 9. A dad he can ask for millions from to help set up home in a massive mansion in California. 10. A deal to make a story about his relationship from Netflix. are So maybe he might realise one day that he actually owes all he has and has had to the people he is slamming and there is nothing of his personal genius in how he is in the position he is now.
They have entrance exams at Eton? What's the point if they let in so many dumb boys?
They don't, the latter normally end up at Stowe, where Harry would probably have gone if he was just Spencer not royal
That’s decades out of date. Back in the day Stowe was indeed the home of Tim Nice But Dim and mainly taught rugby.
They are now an academic school like most other private schools.
They are more academic than they were but still well behind Eton, Winchester, Westminster, Oundle, Sevenoaks, St Pauls etc academically.
Though yes other schools like Harrodian also now offer a less academic private education
Just need to make Eton 100% scholarship for poor children and 0% feepaying. It's what the founder wouldk have wanted.
Moving more in that direction with Foundation Scholarships and 100% bursaries.
Yes of course Henry VIth founded Eton to provide free education to 70 poor boys who would then go on to King's College, Cambridge which he also founded, the wealthy able to afford private tutors
But that's like saying an earthworm is moving to the sky every time it goes up its burrow. It needs to be 100% non paying. Someone needs to take it to the Charity Commission.
If Starmer removes private schools charitable status they will become just even more for the offspring of the international super rich
But they already are, which discredits them massively as serious contributors to the state and common weal.
Quite a revealing comment from Meghan Markle. She seemed to see the Royal Family as a kind of British Kardashians.
@chrisshipitv Meghan says “I thought it was a joke” when she was told she would have to curtsy to Harry’s grandmother, the Queen on their first meeting. In her interview, Meghan performs a deep bow with her arms outstretched and says “Pleasure to meet you Your Majesty” and asked “was that ok?”
She's American. The Declaration of Independence states that "we hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal..." and so it's hardly surprising that she is bewildered by the idea of curtseying to somebody, especially in private to a member of her husband's family. I'm British, and a moderate monarchist, and it seems kind of archaic even to me. People forget how wide the cultural gap is between the UK and the US, on many dimensions.
Maybe, but she chose to marry into that family and the traditions it comes with.
That's true. I think she was mad to do so, the idea that a Black American woman marrying into the Royal Family under the gaze of the British press was going to be anything other than a total shitshow is for the birds. My own personal theory is that Harry married her precisely because he saw her as his exit from a life that had caused him nothing but misery. That exit is complicated of course. They seem like nice people and I wish them luck.
' 'A life that had caused him nothing but misery', it got him an Eton education, paid for staff, security and accomodation and motorcade and flights for life, a big taxpayer funded wedding and titles and a place in the line of succession he and his children still have
Things he would have been unlikely to have in his life if he was Harry Windsor, ex army officer now Foxtons estate agent living in Wandsworth. And not a member of that awful racist family from this evil racist country.
1. A place at Eton as he is thick and wouldn’t have passed entrance. 2. Choices of the regiments in the army he served in - wouldn’t have looked so dapper at his wedding in the Mercian Regiment’s dress uniform compared to HC. 3. Serving in the army with huge protection - not for him an outpost like Kajaki as an irrelevant infantry officer. 4. Invictus games - why would the brains behind it have Harry Windsor front it - nobody has heard of him. 5. A job, would have been sacked as the social media photos showing him dressed as a nazi would have seen him out on his ear. 6. A free house. 7. Hot and cold running travel to Botswana for his third date amongst other global travels. 8. A date with a C-list US actress. 9. A dad he can ask for millions from to help set up home in a massive mansion in California. 10. A deal to make a story about his relationship from Netflix.
So maybe he might realise one day that he actually owes all he has and has had to the people he is slamming and there is nothing of his personal genius in how he is in the position he is now.
They have entrance exams at Eton? What's the point if they let in so many dumb boys?
Only two questions on the paper: Who are your parents? How much money have they got?
If you are minded to go there it is now fiendishly difficult to get into Eton. And once there it is indeed a hothouse with very little tolerance of slack academic achievement.
It suits many people to denigrate it and that usually comes with envy or resentment and that's fair enough I understand why; it's a club and you (they) are outside it. Plus its pupils often go on to run the world or close to it so who wouldn't be resentful of that.
When stumbling across somebody who opposes schools like Eton how do you suss out if he or she is driven by resentment or by a genuine belief that such institutions are incompatible with even a semblance of equal opportunities?
It would be interesting to conduct an experiment amongst anti-public school types. If at the right age, offer an all expenses paid place at Eton or Benenden to their offspring or, hand on heart, ask whether they would have liked their offspring to go to those schools.
I'm sure some - you I have no doubt - would stick to your line of sending your children to the local comp but it might nevertheless provoke an internal debate which would give some sort of a clue as to why people are in favour of them.
You can oppose a system - want to see it end for the greater good - but nevertheless choose to use it. Eg what about a socialist in a capitalist society? Do they have to remain dirt poor for their views to be authentic? Course not. They can succeed in the system whilst still opposing it. So, no, I get where you're coming from, but this is not a good litmus test for 'resentment vs genuine belief' when it comes to being anti the elite public schools.
Quite a revealing comment from Meghan Markle. She seemed to see the Royal Family as a kind of British Kardashians.
@chrisshipitv Meghan says “I thought it was a joke” when she was told she would have to curtsy to Harry’s grandmother, the Queen on their first meeting. In her interview, Meghan performs a deep bow with her arms outstretched and says “Pleasure to meet you Your Majesty” and asked “was that ok?”
She's American. The Declaration of Independence states that "we hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal..." and so it's hardly surprising that she is bewildered by the idea of curtseying to somebody, especially in private to a member of her husband's family. I'm British, and a moderate monarchist, and it seems kind of archaic even to me. People forget how wide the cultural gap is between the UK and the US, on many dimensions.
Maybe, but she chose to marry into that family and the traditions it comes with.
That's true. I think she was mad to do so, the idea that a Black American woman marrying into the Royal Family under the gaze of the British press was going to be anything other than a total shitshow is for the birds. My own personal theory is that Harry married her precisely because he saw her as his exit from a life that had caused him nothing but misery. That exit is complicated of course. They seem like nice people and I wish them luck.
' 'A life that had caused him nothing but misery', it got him an Eton education, paid for staff, security and accomodation and motorcade and flights for life, a big taxpayer funded wedding and titles and a place in the line of succession he and his children still have
Things he would have been unlikely to have in his life if he was Harry Windsor, ex army officer now Foxtons estate agent living in Wandsworth. And not a member of that awful racist family from this evil racist country.
1. A place at Eton as he is thick and wouldn’t have passed entrance. 2. Choices of the regiments in the army he served in - wouldn’t have looked so dapper at his wedding in the Mercian Regiment’s dress uniform compared to HC. 3. Serving in the army with huge protection - not for him an outpost like Kajaki as an irrelevant infantry officer. 4. Invictus games - why would the brains behind it have Harry Windsor front it - nobody has heard of him. 5. A job, would have been sacked as the social media photos showing him dressed as a nazi would have seen him out on his ear. 6. A free house. 7. Hot and cold running travel to Botswana for his third date amongst other global travels. 8. A date with a C-list US actress. 9. A dad he can ask for millions from to help set up home in a massive mansion in California. 10. A deal to make a story about his relationship from Netflix. are So maybe he might realise one day that he actually owes all he has and has had to the people he is slamming and there is nothing of his personal genius in how he is in the position he is now.
They have entrance exams at Eton? What's the point if they let in so many dumb boys?
They don't, the latter normally end up at Stowe, where Harry would probably have gone if he was just Spencer not royal
That’s decades out of date. Back in the day Stowe was indeed the home of Tim Nice But Dim and mainly taught rugby.
They are now an academic school like most other private schools.
They are more academic than they were but still well behind Eton, Winchester, Westminster, Oundle, Sevenoaks, St Pauls etc academically.
Though yes other schools like Harrodian also now offer a less academic private education
Just need to make Eton 100% scholarship for poor children and 0% feepaying. It's what the founder wouldk have wanted.
Moving more in that direction with Foundation Scholarships and 100% bursaries.
Yes of course Henry VIth founded Eton to provide free education to 70 poor boys who would then go on to King's College, Cambridge which he also founded, the wealthy able to afford private tutors
But that's like saying an earthworm is moving to the sky every time it goes up its burrow. It needs to be 100% non paying. Someone needs to take it to the Charity Commission.
If Starmer removes private schools charitable status they will become just even more for the offspring of the international super rich
True dat.
Plus I expect RoI private sector will rather boom, I expect schools there have all sorts of EU protections against tax grabs.
mind you my nephews live there but go to Shrewsbury so standards must be pretty dire.
Back in the day, according to my Maths tutor, when the Labour Party were looking particularly Communistic, the leading private schools all lolloped into overseas locations.
He, as the teacher who knew most about France* (Head of Maths at Rugby) scouted locations.
Apparently the French government offered them tax exemption in perpetuity, enshrined in French law. Because they saw the prize of getting all the rich and powerful from around the world at a young age….
*Did some interesting stuff in Churchill’s Toyshop in the war.
Megan Markle keeps making such a big deal about her race. I can’t have been the only one who watched the first couple of series of Suits without realising she was black (as she calls herself) and being a bit bemused when Bunky Bunk from the Wire was introduced as her father in Series 3. She is of course conditioned to see the whole world through the prism of race, as it seems are the Netflix producers. Meanwhile most of us in Britain don’t spend much time thinking about skin pigmentation.
Also I saw a bizarre quote from Harry that he thought everyone should be impressed that he as a ginger could score such a “beautiful woman”. Quite the inferiority complex on display from that comment. She ain’t all that. Beauty comes in many forms too, odd he’s not learnt that yet. And also what’s wrong with being ginger?
Hopefully now their lived experience has been shared, these two quite trivial people will disappear with their money.
You're basically saying that if this black foreigner feels she's been a victim of racism in Britain, that is "of course" the fault of her attitude. What does your thinking that way say about yours? You think you know Britain and she doesn't, and therefore she can stick her complaints up her backside? That's what it sounds like. It sounds like screw how she was made to feel here because disrespecting the monarchy isn't the British way. Also how her husband says he felt in the past isn't particularly unusual. Admitting it in what seems to have been a self-critical way is a bit less common. I haven't read the source but I'm not sure why this is bizarre for you. If he has had feelings about having ginger hair, I can't see why he shouldn't talk about them if he wants to. Nobody has to give him their attention.
Quite a revealing comment from Meghan Markle. She seemed to see the Royal Family as a kind of British Kardashians.
@chrisshipitv Meghan says “I thought it was a joke” when she was told she would have to curtsy to Harry’s grandmother, the Queen on their first meeting. In her interview, Meghan performs a deep bow with her arms outstretched and says “Pleasure to meet you Your Majesty” and asked “was that ok?”
She's American. The Declaration of Independence states that "we hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal..." and so it's hardly surprising that she is bewildered by the idea of curtseying to somebody, especially in private to a member of her husband's family. I'm British, and a moderate monarchist, and it seems kind of archaic even to me. People forget how wide the cultural gap is between the UK and the US, on many dimensions.
Maybe, but she chose to marry into that family and the traditions it comes with.
That's true. I think she was mad to do so, the idea that a Black American woman marrying into the Royal Family under the gaze of the British press was going to be anything other than a total shitshow is for the birds. My own personal theory is that Harry married her precisely because he saw her as his exit from a life that had caused him nothing but misery. That exit is complicated of course. They seem like nice people and I wish them luck.
' 'A life that had caused him nothing but misery', it got him an Eton education, paid for staff, security and accomodation and motorcade and flights for life, a big taxpayer funded wedding and titles and a place in the line of succession he and his children still have
Things he would have been unlikely to have in his life if he was Harry Windsor, ex army officer now Foxtons estate agent living in Wandsworth. And not a member of that awful racist family from this evil racist country.
1. A place at Eton as he is thick and wouldn’t have passed entrance. 2. Choices of the regiments in the army he served in - wouldn’t have looked so dapper at his wedding in the Mercian Regiment’s dress uniform compared to HC. 3. Serving in the army with huge protection - not for him an outpost like Kajaki as an irrelevant infantry officer. 4. Invictus games - why would the brains behind it have Harry Windsor front it - nobody has heard of him. 5. A job, would have been sacked as the social media photos showing him dressed as a nazi would have seen him out on his ear. 6. A free house. 7. Hot and cold running travel to Botswana for his third date amongst other global travels. 8. A date with a C-list US actress. 9. A dad he can ask for millions from to help set up home in a massive mansion in California. 10. A deal to make a story about his relationship from Netflix.
So maybe he might realise one day that he actually owes all he has and has had to the people he is slamming and there is nothing of his personal genius in how he is in the position he is now.
They have entrance exams at Eton? What's the point if they let in so many dumb boys?
Only two questions on the paper: Who are your parents? How much money have they got?
If you are minded to go there it is now fiendishly difficult to get into Eton. And once there it is indeed a hothouse with very little tolerance of slack academic achievement.
It suits many people to denigrate it and that usually comes with envy or resentment and that's fair enough I understand why; it's a club and you (they) are outside it. Plus its pupils often go on to run the world or close to it so who wouldn't be resentful of that.
When stumbling across somebody who opposes schools like Eton how do you suss out if he or she is driven by resentment or by a genuine belief that such institutions are incompatible with even a semblance of equal opportunities?
It would be interesting to conduct an experiment amongst anti-public school types. If at the right age, offer an all expenses paid place at Eton or Benenden to their offspring or, hand on heart, ask whether they would have liked their offspring to go to those schools.
I'm sure some - you I have no doubt - would stick to your line of sending your children to the local comp but it might nevertheless provoke an internal debate which would give some sort of a clue as to why people are in favour of them.
For me: I absolutely would not send my children to a private school under any circumstances.
As for MightyAlex's question, that's trickier as I'd not be in favour of either option (assuming the first option is fee-paying school, not a great education open to everyone) but I guess I'd put my children and their children first and reluctantly abolish all fee paying schools, even though I'd prefer not to deprive other people of the choice.
Interesting. Why so strongly against fee paying schools and giving your children what is often if not always, and then again often because of the ability to select on attitude rather than educational ability, a better education?
Quite a revealing comment from Meghan Markle. She seemed to see the Royal Family as a kind of British Kardashians.
@chrisshipitv Meghan says “I thought it was a joke” when she was told she would have to curtsy to Harry’s grandmother, the Queen on their first meeting. In her interview, Meghan performs a deep bow with her arms outstretched and says “Pleasure to meet you Your Majesty” and asked “was that ok?”
She's American. The Declaration of Independence states that "we hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal..." and so it's hardly surprising that she is bewildered by the idea of curtseying to somebody, especially in private to a member of her husband's family. I'm British, and a moderate monarchist, and it seems kind of archaic even to me. People forget how wide the cultural gap is between the UK and the US, on many dimensions.
Maybe, but she chose to marry into that family and the traditions it comes with.
That's true. I think she was mad to do so, the idea that a Black American woman marrying into the Royal Family under the gaze of the British press was going to be anything other than a total shitshow is for the birds. My own personal theory is that Harry married her precisely because he saw her as his exit from a life that had caused him nothing but misery. That exit is complicated of course. They seem like nice people and I wish them luck.
' 'A life that had caused him nothing but misery', it got him an Eton education, paid for staff, security and accomodation and motorcade and flights for life, a big taxpayer funded wedding and titles and a place in the line of succession he and his children still have
Things he would have been unlikely to have in his life if he was Harry Windsor, ex army officer now Foxtons estate agent living in Wandsworth. And not a member of that awful racist family from this evil racist country.
1. A place at Eton as he is thick and wouldn’t have passed entrance. 2. Choices of the regiments in the army he served in - wouldn’t have looked so dapper at his wedding in the Mercian Regiment’s dress uniform compared to HC. 3. Serving in the army with huge protection - not for him an outpost like Kajaki as an irrelevant infantry officer. 4. Invictus games - why would the brains behind it have Harry Windsor front it - nobody has heard of him. 5. A job, would have been sacked as the social media photos showing him dressed as a nazi would have seen him out on his ear. 6. A free house. 7. Hot and cold running travel to Botswana for his third date amongst other global travels. 8. A date with a C-list US actress. 9. A dad he can ask for millions from to help set up home in a massive mansion in California. 10. A deal to make a story about his relationship from Netflix.
So maybe he might realise one day that he actually owes all he has and has had to the people he is slamming and there is nothing of his personal genius in how he is in the position he is now.
They have entrance exams at Eton? What's the point if they let in so many dumb boys?
Only two questions on the paper: Who are your parents? How much money have they got?
If you are minded to go there it is now fiendishly difficult to get into Eton. And once there it is indeed a hothouse with very little tolerance of slack academic achievement.
It suits many people to denigrate it and that usually comes with envy or resentment and that's fair enough I understand why; it's a club and you (they) are outside it. Plus its pupils often go on to run the world or close to it so who wouldn't be resentful of that.
When stumbling across somebody who opposes schools like Eton how do you suss out if he or she is driven by resentment or by a genuine belief that such institutions are incompatible with even a semblance of equal opportunities?
It would be interesting to conduct an experiment amongst anti-public school types. If at the right age, offer an all expenses paid place at Eton or Benenden to their offspring or, hand on heart, ask whether they would have liked their offspring to go to those schools.
I'm sure some - you I have no doubt - would stick to your line of sending your children to the local comp but it might nevertheless provoke an internal debate which would give some sort of a clue as to why people are in favour of them.
You can oppose a system - want to see it end for the greater good - but nevertheless choose to use it. Eg what about a socialist in a capitalist society? Do they have to remain dirt poor for their views to be authentic? Course not. They can succeed in the system whilst still opposing it. So, no, I get where you're coming from, but this is not a good litmus test for 'resentment vs genuine belief' when it comes to being anti the elite public schools.
A genuine socialist would work in the public sector and press to nationalise virtually all private industry
Quite a revealing comment from Meghan Markle. She seemed to see the Royal Family as a kind of British Kardashians.
@chrisshipitv Meghan says “I thought it was a joke” when she was told she would have to curtsy to Harry’s grandmother, the Queen on their first meeting. In her interview, Meghan performs a deep bow with her arms outstretched and says “Pleasure to meet you Your Majesty” and asked “was that ok?”
She's American. The Declaration of Independence states that "we hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal..." and so it's hardly surprising that she is bewildered by the idea of curtseying to somebody, especially in private to a member of her husband's family. I'm British, and a moderate monarchist, and it seems kind of archaic even to me. People forget how wide the cultural gap is between the UK and the US, on many dimensions.
Maybe, but she chose to marry into that family and the traditions it comes with.
That's true. I think she was mad to do so, the idea that a Black American woman marrying into the Royal Family under the gaze of the British press was going to be anything other than a total shitshow is for the birds. My own personal theory is that Harry married her precisely because he saw her as his exit from a life that had caused him nothing but misery. That exit is complicated of course. They seem like nice people and I wish them luck.
' 'A life that had caused him nothing but misery', it got him an Eton education, paid for staff, security and accomodation and motorcade and flights for life, a big taxpayer funded wedding and titles and a place in the line of succession he and his children still have
Things he would have been unlikely to have in his life if he was Harry Windsor, ex army officer now Foxtons estate agent living in Wandsworth. And not a member of that awful racist family from this evil racist country.
1. A place at Eton as he is thick and wouldn’t have passed entrance. 2. Choices of the regiments in the army he served in - wouldn’t have looked so dapper at his wedding in the Mercian Regiment’s dress uniform compared to HC. 3. Serving in the army with huge protection - not for him an outpost like Kajaki as an irrelevant infantry officer. 4. Invictus games - why would the brains behind it have Harry Windsor front it - nobody has heard of him. 5. A job, would have been sacked as the social media photos showing him dressed as a nazi would have seen him out on his ear. 6. A free house. 7. Hot and cold running travel to Botswana for his third date amongst other global travels. 8. A date with a C-list US actress. 9. A dad he can ask for millions from to help set up home in a massive mansion in California. 10. A deal to make a story about his relationship from Netflix.
So maybe he might realise one day that he actually owes all he has and has had to the people he is slamming and there is nothing of his personal genius in how he is in the position he is now.
They have entrance exams at Eton? What's the point if they let in so many dumb boys?
Only two questions on the paper: Who are your parents? How much money have they got?
If you are minded to go there it is now fiendishly difficult to get into Eton. And once there it is indeed a hothouse with very little tolerance of slack academic achievement.
It suits many people to denigrate it and that usually comes with envy or resentment and that's fair enough I understand why; it's a club and you (they) are outside it. Plus its pupils often go on to run the world or close to it so who wouldn't be resentful of that.
When stumbling across somebody who opposes schools like Eton how do you suss out if he or she is driven by resentment or by a genuine belief that such institutions are incompatible with even a semblance of equal opportunities?
It would be interesting to conduct an experiment amongst anti-public school types. If at the right age, offer an all expenses paid place at Eton or Benenden to their offspring or, hand on heart, ask whether they would have liked their offspring to go to those schools.
I'm sure some - you I have no doubt - would stick to your line of sending your children to the local comp but it might nevertheless provoke an internal debate which would give some sort of a clue as to why people are in favour of them.
You can oppose a system - want to see it end for the greater good - but nevertheless choose to use it. Eg what about a socialist in a capitalist society? Do they have to remain dirt poor for their views to be authentic? Course not. They can succeed in the system whilst still opposing it. So, no, I get where you're coming from, but this is not a good litmus test for 'resentment vs genuine belief' when it comes to being anti the elite public schools.
"You can oppose a system - want to see it end for the greater good - but nevertheless choose to use it."
Hmm that is a stretch. You have to live in society but you don't have to participate in something you ideologically disagree with.
What's your answer btw. Def would not have sent your children to UCS or NLCS or St. Pauls?
Quite a revealing comment from Meghan Markle. She seemed to see the Royal Family as a kind of British Kardashians.
@chrisshipitv Meghan says “I thought it was a joke” when she was told she would have to curtsy to Harry’s grandmother, the Queen on their first meeting. In her interview, Meghan performs a deep bow with her arms outstretched and says “Pleasure to meet you Your Majesty” and asked “was that ok?”
She's American. The Declaration of Independence states that "we hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal..." and so it's hardly surprising that she is bewildered by the idea of curtseying to somebody, especially in private to a member of her husband's family. I'm British, and a moderate monarchist, and it seems kind of archaic even to me. People forget how wide the cultural gap is between the UK and the US, on many dimensions.
Maybe, but she chose to marry into that family and the traditions it comes with.
That's true. I think she was mad to do so, the idea that a Black American woman marrying into the Royal Family under the gaze of the British press was going to be anything other than a total shitshow is for the birds. My own personal theory is that Harry married her precisely because he saw her as his exit from a life that had caused him nothing but misery. That exit is complicated of course. They seem like nice people and I wish them luck.
' 'A life that had caused him nothing but misery', it got him an Eton education, paid for staff, security and accomodation and motorcade and flights for life, a big taxpayer funded wedding and titles and a place in the line of succession he and his children still have
Things he would have been unlikely to have in his life if he was Harry Windsor, ex army officer now Foxtons estate agent living in Wandsworth. And not a member of that awful racist family from this evil racist country.
1. A place at Eton as he is thick and wouldn’t have passed entrance. 2. Choices of the regiments in the army he served in - wouldn’t have looked so dapper at his wedding in the Mercian Regiment’s dress uniform compared to HC. 3. Serving in the army with huge protection - not for him an outpost like Kajaki as an irrelevant infantry officer. 4. Invictus games - why would the brains behind it have Harry Windsor front it - nobody has heard of him. 5. A job, would have been sacked as the social media photos showing him dressed as a nazi would have seen him out on his ear. 6. A free house. 7. Hot and cold running travel to Botswana for his third date amongst other global travels. 8. A date with a C-list US actress. 9. A dad he can ask for millions from to help set up home in a massive mansion in California. 10. A deal to make a story about his relationship from Netflix.
So maybe he might realise one day that he actually owes all he has and has had to the people he is slamming and there is nothing of his personal genius in how he is in the position he is now.
They have entrance exams at Eton? What's the point if they let in so many dumb boys?
Only two questions on the paper: Who are your parents? How much money have they got?
If you are minded to go there it is now fiendishly difficult to get into Eton. And once there it is indeed a hothouse with very little tolerance of slack academic achievement.
It suits many people to denigrate it and that usually comes with envy or resentment and that's fair enough I understand why; it's a club and you (they) are outside it. Plus its pupils often go on to run the world or close to it so who wouldn't be resentful of that.
When stumbling across somebody who opposes schools like Eton how do you suss out if he or she is driven by resentment or by a genuine belief that such institutions are incompatible with even a semblance of equal opportunities?
It would be interesting to conduct an experiment amongst anti-public school types. If at the right age, offer an all expenses paid place at Eton or Benenden to their offspring or, hand on heart, ask whether they would have liked their offspring to go to those schools.
I'm sure some - you I have no doubt - would stick to your line of sending your children to the local comp but it might nevertheless provoke an internal debate which would give some sort of a clue as to why people are in favour of them.
I'd rather the choice:
a) all the children in your familial line have the no expense spared educations
b) the country's fee paying schools are abolished
But that wasn't the question. Private schools exist and we can see from our various PMs and Archbishops of Canterburys and so forth what that can mean for future prospects.
In such a world you must answer the question I asked.
Your question relies upon the morality of said schools vs the morality of denying your child the benefit of such education.
In my world both choices are amoral. IMO privileging your children because of your wealth rather than their ability fundamentally damages society.
Quite a revealing comment from Meghan Markle. She seemed to see the Royal Family as a kind of British Kardashians.
@chrisshipitv Meghan says “I thought it was a joke” when she was told she would have to curtsy to Harry’s grandmother, the Queen on their first meeting. In her interview, Meghan performs a deep bow with her arms outstretched and says “Pleasure to meet you Your Majesty” and asked “was that ok?”
She's American. The Declaration of Independence states that "we hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal..." and so it's hardly surprising that she is bewildered by the idea of curtseying to somebody, especially in private to a member of her husband's family. I'm British, and a moderate monarchist, and it seems kind of archaic even to me. People forget how wide the cultural gap is between the UK and the US, on many dimensions.
Maybe, but she chose to marry into that family and the traditions it comes with.
That's true. I think she was mad to do so, the idea that a Black American woman marrying into the Royal Family under the gaze of the British press was going to be anything other than a total shitshow is for the birds. My own personal theory is that Harry married her precisely because he saw her as his exit from a life that had caused him nothing but misery. That exit is complicated of course. They seem like nice people and I wish them luck.
' 'A life that had caused him nothing but misery', it got him an Eton education, paid for staff, security and accomodation and motorcade and flights for life, a big taxpayer funded wedding and titles and a place in the line of succession he and his children still have
Things he would have been unlikely to have in his life if he was Harry Windsor, ex army officer now Foxtons estate agent living in Wandsworth. And not a member of that awful racist family from this evil racist country.
1. A place at Eton as he is thick and wouldn’t have passed entrance. 2. Choices of the regiments in the army he served in - wouldn’t have looked so dapper at his wedding in the Mercian Regiment’s dress uniform compared to HC. 3. Serving in the army with huge protection - not for him an outpost like Kajaki as an irrelevant infantry officer. 4. Invictus games - why would the brains behind it have Harry Windsor front it - nobody has heard of him. 5. A job, would have been sacked as the social media photos showing him dressed as a nazi would have seen him out on his ear. 6. A free house. 7. Hot and cold running travel to Botswana for his third date amongst other global travels. 8. A date with a C-list US actress. 9. A dad he can ask for millions from to help set up home in a massive mansion in California. 10. A deal to make a story about his relationship from Netflix.
So maybe he might realise one day that he actually owes all he has and has had to the people he is slamming and there is nothing of his personal genius in how he is in the position he is now.
They have entrance exams at Eton? What's the point if they let in so many dumb boys?
Only two questions on the paper: Who are your parents? How much money have they got?
If you are minded to go there it is now fiendishly difficult to get into Eton. And once there it is indeed a hothouse with very little tolerance of slack academic achievement.
It suits many people to denigrate it and that usually comes with envy or resentment and that's fair enough I understand why; it's a club and you (they) are outside it. Plus its pupils often go on to run the world or close to it so who wouldn't be resentful of that.
When stumbling across somebody who opposes schools like Eton how do you suss out if he or she is driven by resentment or by a genuine belief that such institutions are incompatible with even a semblance of equal opportunities?
According to some educational experts, parental nurture and the period up to the age of 5 are *the* determinative of future outcomes.
So, to ensure equality, all children should be taken from their families and raised by philosophers (see Plato)
Which is why total equality is a strawman. An egalitarian education system will weaken the link between parental bank balance and life prospects. You can't eradicate it and shouldn't try.
Quite a revealing comment from Meghan Markle. She seemed to see the Royal Family as a kind of British Kardashians.
@chrisshipitv Meghan says “I thought it was a joke” when she was told she would have to curtsy to Harry’s grandmother, the Queen on their first meeting. In her interview, Meghan performs a deep bow with her arms outstretched and says “Pleasure to meet you Your Majesty” and asked “was that ok?”
She's American. The Declaration of Independence states that "we hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal..." and so it's hardly surprising that she is bewildered by the idea of curtseying to somebody, especially in private to a member of her husband's family. I'm British, and a moderate monarchist, and it seems kind of archaic even to me. People forget how wide the cultural gap is between the UK and the US, on many dimensions.
Maybe, but she chose to marry into that family and the traditions it comes with.
That's true. I think she was mad to do so, the idea that a Black American woman marrying into the Royal Family under the gaze of the British press was going to be anything other than a total shitshow is for the birds. My own personal theory is that Harry married her precisely because he saw her as his exit from a life that had caused him nothing but misery. That exit is complicated of course. They seem like nice people and I wish them luck.
' 'A life that had caused him nothing but misery', it got him an Eton education, paid for staff, security and accomodation and motorcade and flights for life, a big taxpayer funded wedding and titles and a place in the line of succession he and his children still have
Things he would have been unlikely to have in his life if he was Harry Windsor, ex army officer now Foxtons estate agent living in Wandsworth. And not a member of that awful racist family from this evil racist country.
1. A place at Eton as he is thick and wouldn’t have passed entrance. 2. Choices of the regiments in the army he served in - wouldn’t have looked so dapper at his wedding in the Mercian Regiment’s dress uniform compared to HC. 3. Serving in the army with huge protection - not for him an outpost like Kajaki as an irrelevant infantry officer. 4. Invictus games - why would the brains behind it have Harry Windsor front it - nobody has heard of him. 5. A job, would have been sacked as the social media photos showing him dressed as a nazi would have seen him out on his ear. 6. A free house. 7. Hot and cold running travel to Botswana for his third date amongst other global travels. 8. A date with a C-list US actress. 9. A dad he can ask for millions from to help set up home in a massive mansion in California. 10. A deal to make a story about his relationship from Netflix.
So maybe he might realise one day that he actually owes all he has and has had to the people he is slamming and there is nothing of his personal genius in how he is in the position he is now.
They have entrance exams at Eton? What's the point if they let in so many dumb boys?
Only two questions on the paper: Who are your parents? How much money have they got?
If you are minded to go there it is now fiendishly difficult to get into Eton. And once there it is indeed a hothouse with very little tolerance of slack academic achievement.
It suits many people to denigrate it and that usually comes with envy or resentment and that's fair enough I understand why; it's a club and you (they) are outside it. Plus its pupils often go on to run the world or close to it so who wouldn't be resentful of that.
When stumbling across somebody who opposes schools like Eton how do you suss out if he or she is driven by resentment or by a genuine belief that such institutions are incompatible with even a semblance of equal opportunities?
It would be interesting to conduct an experiment amongst anti-public school types. If at the right age, offer an all expenses paid place at Eton or Benenden to their offspring or, hand on heart, ask whether they would have liked their offspring to go to those schools.
I'm sure some - you I have no doubt - would stick to your line of sending your children to the local comp but it might nevertheless provoke an internal debate which would give some sort of a clue as to why people are in favour of them.
For me: I absolutely would not send my children to a private school under any circumstances.
As for MightyAlex's question, that's trickier as I'd not be in favour of either option (assuming the first option is fee-paying school, not a great education open to everyone) but I guess I'd put my children and their children first and reluctantly abolish all fee paying schools, even though I'd prefer not to deprive other people of the choice.
Interesting. Why so strongly against fee paying schools and giving your children what is often if not always, and then again often because of the ability to select on attitude rather than educational ability, a better education?
My experience, working with students, teaching students and being engaged in school outreach projects has been that (generalisation, obviously) those educated in the state sector are more curious, questioning and open to new ideas that those educated privately.
This is, at least with regard to my experiences at work, obviously a skewed sample as I'm only looking at those who were sufficiently academically able to get a place at a Russell Group university. It makes sense, to some extent, that your typical state school kid who does that is actually smarter than your typical private school kid who will have had extra support, if needed.* In school outreach though, my experience is that the private school kids know the answers to the questions, but it's the state school kids who ask their own interesting questions.
I'm state school educated, so I no doubt have some of my own biases, but I have close friends and colleagues who were privately educated, so I'm not a hardcore class warrior. My own brother in law is deputy head in one of the fancier private schools in London.
*Which I guess begs the question, if my own kids turn out not to be hugely academic, why would I not want them to be coached into a 'good' university? The answer to which is that I'd be just as happy for them to be builders, joiners, plumbers, hairdressers etc if that's where their talents and interests lie.
Quite a revealing comment from Meghan Markle. She seemed to see the Royal Family as a kind of British Kardashians.
@chrisshipitv Meghan says “I thought it was a joke” when she was told she would have to curtsy to Harry’s grandmother, the Queen on their first meeting. In her interview, Meghan performs a deep bow with her arms outstretched and says “Pleasure to meet you Your Majesty” and asked “was that ok?”
She's American. The Declaration of Independence states that "we hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal..." and so it's hardly surprising that she is bewildered by the idea of curtseying to somebody, especially in private to a member of her husband's family. I'm British, and a moderate monarchist, and it seems kind of archaic even to me. People forget how wide the cultural gap is between the UK and the US, on many dimensions.
Maybe, but she chose to marry into that family and the traditions it comes with.
That's true. I think she was mad to do so, the idea that a Black American woman marrying into the Royal Family under the gaze of the British press was going to be anything other than a total shitshow is for the birds. My own personal theory is that Harry married her precisely because he saw her as his exit from a life that had caused him nothing but misery. That exit is complicated of course. They seem like nice people and I wish them luck.
' 'A life that had caused him nothing but misery', it got him an Eton education, paid for staff, security and accomodation and motorcade and flights for life, a big taxpayer funded wedding and titles and a place in the line of succession he and his children still have
Things he would have been unlikely to have in his life if he was Harry Windsor, ex army officer now Foxtons estate agent living in Wandsworth. And not a member of that awful racist family from this evil racist country.
1. A place at Eton as he is thick and wouldn’t have passed entrance. 2. Choices of the regiments in the army he served in - wouldn’t have looked so dapper at his wedding in the Mercian Regiment’s dress uniform compared to HC. 3. Serving in the army with huge protection - not for him an outpost like Kajaki as an irrelevant infantry officer. 4. Invictus games - why would the brains behind it have Harry Windsor front it - nobody has heard of him. 5. A job, would have been sacked as the social media photos showing him dressed as a nazi would have seen him out on his ear. 6. A free house. 7. Hot and cold running travel to Botswana for his third date amongst other global travels. 8. A date with a C-list US actress. 9. A dad he can ask for millions from to help set up home in a massive mansion in California. 10. A deal to make a story about his relationship from Netflix.
So maybe he might realise one day that he actually owes all he has and has had to the people he is slamming and there is nothing of his personal genius in how he is in the position he is now.
They have entrance exams at Eton? What's the point if they let in so many dumb boys?
Only two questions on the paper: Who are your parents? How much money have they got?
If you are minded to go there it is now fiendishly difficult to get into Eton. And once there it is indeed a hothouse with very little tolerance of slack academic achievement.
It suits many people to denigrate it and that usually comes with envy or resentment and that's fair enough I understand why; it's a club and you (they) are outside it. Plus its pupils often go on to run the world or close to it so who wouldn't be resentful of that.
When stumbling across somebody who opposes schools like Eton how do you suss out if he or she is driven by resentment or by a genuine belief that such institutions are incompatible with even a semblance of equal opportunities?
It would be interesting to conduct an experiment amongst anti-public school types. If at the right age, offer an all expenses paid place at Eton or Benenden to their offspring or, hand on heart, ask whether they would have liked their offspring to go to those schools.
I'm sure some - you I have no doubt - would stick to your line of sending your children to the local comp but it might nevertheless provoke an internal debate which would give some sort of a clue as to why people are in favour of them.
You can oppose a system - want to see it end for the greater good - but nevertheless choose to use it. Eg what about a socialist in a capitalist society? Do they have to remain dirt poor for their views to be authentic? Course not. They can succeed in the system whilst still opposing it. So, no, I get where you're coming from, but this is not a good litmus test for 'resentment vs genuine belief' when it comes to being anti the elite public schools.
A genuine socialist would work in the public sector and press to nationalise virtually all private industry
Nonsense. What if they are a great footballer and a big premier league club comes calling?
Quite a revealing comment from Meghan Markle. She seemed to see the Royal Family as a kind of British Kardashians.
@chrisshipitv Meghan says “I thought it was a joke” when she was told she would have to curtsy to Harry’s grandmother, the Queen on their first meeting. In her interview, Meghan performs a deep bow with her arms outstretched and says “Pleasure to meet you Your Majesty” and asked “was that ok?”
She's American. The Declaration of Independence states that "we hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal..." and so it's hardly surprising that she is bewildered by the idea of curtseying to somebody, especially in private to a member of her husband's family. I'm British, and a moderate monarchist, and it seems kind of archaic even to me. People forget how wide the cultural gap is between the UK and the US, on many dimensions.
Maybe, but she chose to marry into that family and the traditions it comes with.
That's true. I think she was mad to do so, the idea that a Black American woman marrying into the Royal Family under the gaze of the British press was going to be anything other than a total shitshow is for the birds. My own personal theory is that Harry married her precisely because he saw her as his exit from a life that had caused him nothing but misery. That exit is complicated of course. They seem like nice people and I wish them luck.
' 'A life that had caused him nothing but misery', it got him an Eton education, paid for staff, security and accomodation and motorcade and flights for life, a big taxpayer funded wedding and titles and a place in the line of succession he and his children still have
Things he would have been unlikely to have in his life if he was Harry Windsor, ex army officer now Foxtons estate agent living in Wandsworth. And not a member of that awful racist family from this evil racist country.
1. A place at Eton as he is thick and wouldn’t have passed entrance. 2. Choices of the regiments in the army he served in - wouldn’t have looked so dapper at his wedding in the Mercian Regiment’s dress uniform compared to HC. 3. Serving in the army with huge protection - not for him an outpost like Kajaki as an irrelevant infantry officer. 4. Invictus games - why would the brains behind it have Harry Windsor front it - nobody has heard of him. 5. A job, would have been sacked as the social media photos showing him dressed as a nazi would have seen him out on his ear. 6. A free house. 7. Hot and cold running travel to Botswana for his third date amongst other global travels. 8. A date with a C-list US actress. 9. A dad he can ask for millions from to help set up home in a massive mansion in California. 10. A deal to make a story about his relationship from Netflix.
So maybe he might realise one day that he actually owes all he has and has had to the people he is slamming and there is nothing of his personal genius in how he is in the position he is now.
They have entrance exams at Eton? What's the point if they let in so many dumb boys?
Only two questions on the paper: Who are your parents? How much money have they got?
If you are minded to go there it is now fiendishly difficult to get into Eton. And once there it is indeed a hothouse with very little tolerance of slack academic achievement.
It suits many people to denigrate it and that usually comes with envy or resentment and that's fair enough I understand why; it's a club and you (they) are outside it. Plus its pupils often go on to run the world or close to it so who wouldn't be resentful of that.
When stumbling across somebody who opposes schools like Eton how do you suss out if he or she is driven by resentment or by a genuine belief that such institutions are incompatible with even a semblance of equal opportunities?
According to some educational experts, parental nurture and the period up to the age of 5 are *the* determinative of future outcomes.
So, to ensure equality, all children should be taken from their families and raised by philosophers (see Plato)
Which is why total equality is a strawman. An egalitarian education system will weaken the link between parental bank balance and life prospects. You can't eradicate it and shouldn't try.
Even if you had a perfect education system for all, and everyone had perfect parenting with equal resources spent on them, there would still be both inequality and social immobility. Because 50% of IQ is inheritable and smart people tend to marry other smart people. So after a generation or two of allowing all the poor smart people to succeed, they would reach the top and their children, through meritocracy alone, would also be more likely to reach the top than others.
Quite a revealing comment from Meghan Markle. She seemed to see the Royal Family as a kind of British Kardashians.
@chrisshipitv Meghan says “I thought it was a joke” when she was told she would have to curtsy to Harry’s grandmother, the Queen on their first meeting. In her interview, Meghan performs a deep bow with her arms outstretched and says “Pleasure to meet you Your Majesty” and asked “was that ok?”
She's American. The Declaration of Independence states that "we hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal..." and so it's hardly surprising that she is bewildered by the idea of curtseying to somebody, especially in private to a member of her husband's family. I'm British, and a moderate monarchist, and it seems kind of archaic even to me. People forget how wide the cultural gap is between the UK and the US, on many dimensions.
Maybe, but she chose to marry into that family and the traditions it comes with.
That's true. I think she was mad to do so, the idea that a Black American woman marrying into the Royal Family under the gaze of the British press was going to be anything other than a total shitshow is for the birds. My own personal theory is that Harry married her precisely because he saw her as his exit from a life that had caused him nothing but misery. That exit is complicated of course. They seem like nice people and I wish them luck.
' 'A life that had caused him nothing but misery', it got him an Eton education, paid for staff, security and accomodation and motorcade and flights for life, a big taxpayer funded wedding and titles and a place in the line of succession he and his children still have
Things he would have been unlikely to have in his life if he was Harry Windsor, ex army officer now Foxtons estate agent living in Wandsworth. And not a member of that awful racist family from this evil racist country.
1. A place at Eton as he is thick and wouldn’t have passed entrance. 2. Choices of the regiments in the army he served in - wouldn’t have looked so dapper at his wedding in the Mercian Regiment’s dress uniform compared to HC. 3. Serving in the army with huge protection - not for him an outpost like Kajaki as an irrelevant infantry officer. 4. Invictus games - why would the brains behind it have Harry Windsor front it - nobody has heard of him. 5. A job, would have been sacked as the social media photos showing him dressed as a nazi would have seen him out on his ear. 6. A free house. 7. Hot and cold running travel to Botswana for his third date amongst other global travels. 8. A date with a C-list US actress. 9. A dad he can ask for millions from to help set up home in a massive mansion in California. 10. A deal to make a story about his relationship from Netflix.
So maybe he might realise one day that he actually owes all he has and has had to the people he is slamming and there is nothing of his personal genius in how he is in the position he is now.
They have entrance exams at Eton? What's the point if they let in so many dumb boys?
Only two questions on the paper: Who are your parents? How much money have they got?
If you are minded to go there it is now fiendishly difficult to get into Eton. And once there it is indeed a hothouse with very little tolerance of slack academic achievement.
It suits many people to denigrate it and that usually comes with envy or resentment and that's fair enough I understand why; it's a club and you (they) are outside it. Plus its pupils often go on to run the world or close to it so who wouldn't be resentful of that.
When stumbling across somebody who opposes schools like Eton how do you suss out if he or she is driven by resentment or by a genuine belief that such institutions are incompatible with even a semblance of equal opportunities?
It would be interesting to conduct an experiment amongst anti-public school types. If at the right age, offer an all expenses paid place at Eton or Benenden to their offspring or, hand on heart, ask whether they would have liked their offspring to go to those schools.
I'm sure some - you I have no doubt - would stick to your line of sending your children to the local comp but it might nevertheless provoke an internal debate which would give some sort of a clue as to why people are in favour of them.
I'd rather the choice:
a) all the children in your familial line have the no expense spared educations
b) the country's fee paying schools are abolished
But that wasn't the question. Private schools exist and we can see from our various PMs and Archbishops of Canterburys and so forth what that can mean for future prospects.
In such a world you must answer the question I asked.
Your question relies upon the morality of said schools vs the morality of denying your child the benefit of such education.
In my world both choices are amoral. IMO privileging your children because of your wealth rather than their ability fundamentally damages society.
That is understandable so you choose not to privilege your children. Can you understand the motivation of people who choose to give their children a better education, on average.
Quite a revealing comment from Meghan Markle. She seemed to see the Royal Family as a kind of British Kardashians.
@chrisshipitv Meghan says “I thought it was a joke” when she was told she would have to curtsy to Harry’s grandmother, the Queen on their first meeting. In her interview, Meghan performs a deep bow with her arms outstretched and says “Pleasure to meet you Your Majesty” and asked “was that ok?”
She's American. The Declaration of Independence states that "we hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal..." and so it's hardly surprising that she is bewildered by the idea of curtseying to somebody, especially in private to a member of her husband's family. I'm British, and a moderate monarchist, and it seems kind of archaic even to me. People forget how wide the cultural gap is between the UK and the US, on many dimensions.
Maybe, but she chose to marry into that family and the traditions it comes with.
That's true. I think she was mad to do so, the idea that a Black American woman marrying into the Royal Family under the gaze of the British press was going to be anything other than a total shitshow is for the birds. My own personal theory is that Harry married her precisely because he saw her as his exit from a life that had caused him nothing but misery. That exit is complicated of course. They seem like nice people and I wish them luck.
' 'A life that had caused him nothing but misery', it got him an Eton education, paid for staff, security and accomodation and motorcade and flights for life, a big taxpayer funded wedding and titles and a place in the line of succession he and his children still have
Things he would have been unlikely to have in his life if he was Harry Windsor, ex army officer now Foxtons estate agent living in Wandsworth. And not a member of that awful racist family from this evil racist country.
1. A place at Eton as he is thick and wouldn’t have passed entrance. 2. Choices of the regiments in the army he served in - wouldn’t have looked so dapper at his wedding in the Mercian Regiment’s dress uniform compared to HC. 3. Serving in the army with huge protection - not for him an outpost like Kajaki as an irrelevant infantry officer. 4. Invictus games - why would the brains behind it have Harry Windsor front it - nobody has heard of him. 5. A job, would have been sacked as the social media photos showing him dressed as a nazi would have seen him out on his ear. 6. A free house. 7. Hot and cold running travel to Botswana for his third date amongst other global travels. 8. A date with a C-list US actress. 9. A dad he can ask for millions from to help set up home in a massive mansion in California. 10. A deal to make a story about his relationship from Netflix.
So maybe he might realise one day that he actually owes all he has and has had to the people he is slamming and there is nothing of his personal genius in how he is in the position he is now.
They have entrance exams at Eton? What's the point if they let in so many dumb boys?
Only two questions on the paper: Who are your parents? How much money have they got?
If you are minded to go there it is now fiendishly difficult to get into Eton. And once there it is indeed a hothouse with very little tolerance of slack academic achievement.
It suits many people to denigrate it and that usually comes with envy or resentment and that's fair enough I understand why; it's a club and you (they) are outside it. Plus its pupils often go on to run the world or close to it so who wouldn't be resentful of that.
When stumbling across somebody who opposes schools like Eton how do you suss out if he or she is driven by resentment or by a genuine belief that such institutions are incompatible with even a semblance of equal opportunities?
It would be interesting to conduct an experiment amongst anti-public school types. If at the right age, offer an all expenses paid place at Eton or Benenden to their offspring or, hand on heart, ask whether they would have liked their offspring to go to those schools.
I'm sure some - you I have no doubt - would stick to your line of sending your children to the local comp but it might nevertheless provoke an internal debate which would give some sort of a clue as to why people are in favour of them.
For me: I absolutely would not send my children to a private school under any circumstances.
As for MightyAlex's question, that's trickier as I'd not be in favour of either option (assuming the first option is fee-paying school, not a great education open to everyone) but I guess I'd put my children and their children first and reluctantly abolish all fee paying schools, even though I'd prefer not to deprive other people of the choice.
Interesting. Why so strongly against fee paying schools and giving your children what is often if not always, and then again often because of the ability to select on attitude rather than educational ability, a better education?
My experience, working with students, teaching students and being engaged in school outreach projects has been that (generalisation, obviously) those educated in the state sector are more curious, questioning and open to new ideas that those educated privately.
This is, at least with regard to my experiences at work, obviously a skewed sample as I'm only looking at those who were sufficiently academically able to get a place at a Russell Group university. It makes sense, to some extent, that your typical state school kid who does that is actually smarter than your typical private school kid who will have had extra support, if needed.* In school outreach though, my experience is that the private school kids know the answers to the questions, but it's the state school kids who ask their own interesting questions.
I'm state school educated, so I no doubt have some of my own biases, but I have close friends and colleagues who were privately educated, so I'm not a hardcore class warrior. My own brother in law is deputy head in one of the fancier private schools in London.
*Which I guess begs the question, if my own kids turn out not to be hugely academic, why would I not want them to be coached into a 'good' university? The answer to which is that I'd be just as happy for them to be builders, joiners, plumbers, hairdressers etc if that's where their talents and interests lie.
Thank you and it makes perfect sense. I don't have a dog in this fight (nephews and nieces aside, @Leon) but you have described the dilemma pretty well. Private schools tend to bring everyone up whereas it is easy enough in the state system for people to be left behind. You would of course as you say never see those at a Russell Group university so it is a bit of a self-selection issue.
And as to your point about you being happy for them to be builders, joiners, etc, of course. That makes perfect sense but surely more importantly is that you would want them to have the choice between being a builder and being a lawyer and therefore choose for themselves.
Quite a revealing comment from Meghan Markle. She seemed to see the Royal Family as a kind of British Kardashians.
@chrisshipitv Meghan says “I thought it was a joke” when she was told she would have to curtsy to Harry’s grandmother, the Queen on their first meeting. In her interview, Meghan performs a deep bow with her arms outstretched and says “Pleasure to meet you Your Majesty” and asked “was that ok?”
She's American. The Declaration of Independence states that "we hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal..." and so it's hardly surprising that she is bewildered by the idea of curtseying to somebody, especially in private to a member of her husband's family. I'm British, and a moderate monarchist, and it seems kind of archaic even to me. People forget how wide the cultural gap is between the UK and the US, on many dimensions.
Maybe, but she chose to marry into that family and the traditions it comes with.
That's true. I think she was mad to do so, the idea that a Black American woman marrying into the Royal Family under the gaze of the British press was going to be anything other than a total shitshow is for the birds. My own personal theory is that Harry married her precisely because he saw her as his exit from a life that had caused him nothing but misery. That exit is complicated of course. They seem like nice people and I wish them luck.
' 'A life that had caused him nothing but misery', it got him an Eton education, paid for staff, security and accomodation and motorcade and flights for life, a big taxpayer funded wedding and titles and a place in the line of succession he and his children still have
Things he would have been unlikely to have in his life if he was Harry Windsor, ex army officer now Foxtons estate agent living in Wandsworth. And not a member of that awful racist family from this evil racist country.
1. A place at Eton as he is thick and wouldn’t have passed entrance. 2. Choices of the regiments in the army he served in - wouldn’t have looked so dapper at his wedding in the Mercian Regiment’s dress uniform compared to HC. 3. Serving in the army with huge protection - not for him an outpost like Kajaki as an irrelevant infantry officer. 4. Invictus games - why would the brains behind it have Harry Windsor front it - nobody has heard of him. 5. A job, would have been sacked as the social media photos showing him dressed as a nazi would have seen him out on his ear. 6. A free house. 7. Hot and cold running travel to Botswana for his third date amongst other global travels. 8. A date with a C-list US actress. 9. A dad he can ask for millions from to help set up home in a massive mansion in California. 10. A deal to make a story about his relationship from Netflix.
So maybe he might realise one day that he actually owes all he has and has had to the people he is slamming and there is nothing of his personal genius in how he is in the position he is now.
They have entrance exams at Eton? What's the point if they let in so many dumb boys?
Only two questions on the paper: Who are your parents? How much money have they got?
If you are minded to go there it is now fiendishly difficult to get into Eton. And once there it is indeed a hothouse with very little tolerance of slack academic achievement.
It suits many people to denigrate it and that usually comes with envy or resentment and that's fair enough I understand why; it's a club and you (they) are outside it. Plus its pupils often go on to run the world or close to it so who wouldn't be resentful of that.
When stumbling across somebody who opposes schools like Eton how do you suss out if he or she is driven by resentment or by a genuine belief that such institutions are incompatible with even a semblance of equal opportunities?
According to some educational experts, parental nurture and the period up to the age of 5 are *the* determinative of future outcomes.
So, to ensure equality, all children should be taken from their families and raised by philosophers (see Plato)
Which is why total equality is a strawman. An egalitarian education system will weaken the link between parental bank balance and life prospects. You can't eradicate it and shouldn't try.
Even if you had a perfect education system for all, and everyone had perfect parenting with equal resources spent on them, there would still be both inequality and social immobility. Because 50% of IQ is inheritable and smart people tend to marry other smart people. So after a generation or two of allowing all the poor smart people to succeed, they would reach the top and their children, through meritocracy alone, would also be more likely to reach the top than others.
If you had a perfect education system for all there would be inequality not necessarily because of inherited ability but because of pounds, shillings, and pence.
Those with more money might choose to spend it on tutors and other educational aids thereby privileging their children over the others.
Which means that those who are anti-public schools would need to outlaw tutoring because that would give an unfair advantage and it all of course leads to everyone earning the same amount of money or being told, quite precisely, how to spend their money.
And that is at the heart of the anti-public school thinking. It is a symptom not a cause and if they thought about it, those who would abolish public schools would also want equality of both opportunity and outcome and would need to enforce the latter for their system to work.
Quite a revealing comment from Meghan Markle. She seemed to see the Royal Family as a kind of British Kardashians.
@chrisshipitv Meghan says “I thought it was a joke” when she was told she would have to curtsy to Harry’s grandmother, the Queen on their first meeting. In her interview, Meghan performs a deep bow with her arms outstretched and says “Pleasure to meet you Your Majesty” and asked “was that ok?”
She's American. The Declaration of Independence states that "we hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal..." and so it's hardly surprising that she is bewildered by the idea of curtseying to somebody, especially in private to a member of her husband's family. I'm British, and a moderate monarchist, and it seems kind of archaic even to me. People forget how wide the cultural gap is between the UK and the US, on many dimensions.
Maybe, but she chose to marry into that family and the traditions it comes with.
That's true. I think she was mad to do so, the idea that a Black American woman marrying into the Royal Family under the gaze of the British press was going to be anything other than a total shitshow is for the birds. My own personal theory is that Harry married her precisely because he saw her as his exit from a life that had caused him nothing but misery. That exit is complicated of course. They seem like nice people and I wish them luck.
' 'A life that had caused him nothing but misery', it got him an Eton education, paid for staff, security and accomodation and motorcade and flights for life, a big taxpayer funded wedding and titles and a place in the line of succession he and his children still have
Things he would have been unlikely to have in his life if he was Harry Windsor, ex army officer now Foxtons estate agent living in Wandsworth. And not a member of that awful racist family from this evil racist country.
1. A place at Eton as he is thick and wouldn’t have passed entrance. 2. Choices of the regiments in the army he served in - wouldn’t have looked so dapper at his wedding in the Mercian Regiment’s dress uniform compared to HC. 3. Serving in the army with huge protection - not for him an outpost like Kajaki as an irrelevant infantry officer. 4. Invictus games - why would the brains behind it have Harry Windsor front it - nobody has heard of him. 5. A job, would have been sacked as the social media photos showing him dressed as a nazi would have seen him out on his ear. 6. A free house. 7. Hot and cold running travel to Botswana for his third date amongst other global travels. 8. A date with a C-list US actress. 9. A dad he can ask for millions from to help set up home in a massive mansion in California. 10. A deal to make a story about his relationship from Netflix.
So maybe he might realise one day that he actually owes all he has and has had to the people he is slamming and there is nothing of his personal genius in how he is in the position he is now.
They have entrance exams at Eton? What's the point if they let in so many dumb boys?
Only two questions on the paper: Who are your parents? How much money have they got?
If you are minded to go there it is now fiendishly difficult to get into Eton. And once there it is indeed a hothouse with very little tolerance of slack academic achievement.
It suits many people to denigrate it and that usually comes with envy or resentment and that's fair enough I understand why; it's a club and you (they) are outside it. Plus its pupils often go on to run the world or close to it so who wouldn't be resentful of that.
When stumbling across somebody who opposes schools like Eton how do you suss out if he or she is driven by resentment or by a genuine belief that such institutions are incompatible with even a semblance of equal opportunities?
It would be interesting to conduct an experiment amongst anti-public school types. If at the right age, offer an all expenses paid place at Eton or Benenden to their offspring or, hand on heart, ask whether they would have liked their offspring to go to those schools.
I'm sure some - you I have no doubt - would stick to your line of sending your children to the local comp but it might nevertheless provoke an internal debate which would give some sort of a clue as to why people are in favour of them.
You can oppose a system - want to see it end for the greater good - but nevertheless choose to use it. Eg what about a socialist in a capitalist society? Do they have to remain dirt poor for their views to be authentic? Course not. They can succeed in the system whilst still opposing it. So, no, I get where you're coming from, but this is not a good litmus test for 'resentment vs genuine belief' when it comes to being anti the elite public schools.
A genuine socialist would work in the public sector and press to nationalise virtually all private industry
Nonsense. What if they are a great footballer and a big premier league club comes calling?
Few footballers are real socialists, they are too materialistic but if they were just join a fan owned club and play for their country
Megan Markle keeps making such a big deal about her race. I can’t have been the only one who watched the first couple of series of Suits without realising she was black (as she calls herself) and being a bit bemused when Bunky Bunk from the Wire was introduced as her father in Series 3. She is of course conditioned to see the whole world through the prism of race, as it seems are the Netflix producers. Meanwhile most of us in Britain don’t spend much time thinking about skin pigmentation.
Also I saw a bizarre quote from Harry that he thought everyone should be impressed that he as a ginger could score such a “beautiful woman”. Quite the inferiority complex on display from that comment. She ain’t all that. Beauty comes in many forms too, odd he’s not learnt that yet. And also what’s wrong with being ginger?
Hopefully now their lived experience has been shared, these two quite trivial people will disappear with their money.
You're basically saying that if this black foreigner feels she's been a victim of racism in Britain, that is "of course" the fault of her attitude. What does your thinking that way say about yours? You think you know Britain and she doesn't, and therefore she can stick her complaints up her backside? That's what it sounds like. It sounds like screw how she was made to feel here because disrespecting the monarchy isn't the British way. Also how her husband says he felt in the past isn't particularly unusual. Admitting it in what seems to have been a self-critical way is a bit less common. I haven't read the source but I'm not sure why this is bizarre for you. If he has had feelings about having ginger hair, I can't see why he shouldn't talk about them if he wants to. Nobody has to give him their attention.
She says she feels that way, which is not the same thing.
She is plainly very, very stupid and untrusting: look at her claim that she thought it was a joke when someone told her she would have to curtsy to the Queen. That entails not having any understanding of or interest in the importance of ritual in human affairs, and believing that her informant (Harry?) was lying to her. So, if she genuinely feels she has been a victim of racism, that feeling may be based on a misunderstanding on her part. I have no respect for the monarchy or for her. I do know that she has been exposed as a liar in an English court, though.
Quite a revealing comment from Meghan Markle. She seemed to see the Royal Family as a kind of British Kardashians.
@chrisshipitv Meghan says “I thought it was a joke” when she was told she would have to curtsy to Harry’s grandmother, the Queen on their first meeting. In her interview, Meghan performs a deep bow with her arms outstretched and says “Pleasure to meet you Your Majesty” and asked “was that ok?”
She's American. The Declaration of Independence states that "we hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal..." and so it's hardly surprising that she is bewildered by the idea of curtseying to somebody, especially in private to a member of her husband's family. I'm British, and a moderate monarchist, and it seems kind of archaic even to me. People forget how wide the cultural gap is between the UK and the US, on many dimensions.
Maybe, but she chose to marry into that family and the traditions it comes with.
That's true. I think she was mad to do so, the idea that a Black American woman marrying into the Royal Family under the gaze of the British press was going to be anything other than a total shitshow is for the birds. My own personal theory is that Harry married her precisely because he saw her as his exit from a life that had caused him nothing but misery. That exit is complicated of course. They seem like nice people and I wish them luck.
' 'A life that had caused him nothing but misery', it got him an Eton education, paid for staff, security and accomodation and motorcade and flights for life, a big taxpayer funded wedding and titles and a place in the line of succession he and his children still have
Things he would have been unlikely to have in his life if he was Harry Windsor, ex army officer now Foxtons estate agent living in Wandsworth. And not a member of that awful racist family from this evil racist country.
1. A place at Eton as he is thick and wouldn’t have passed entrance. 2. Choices of the regiments in the army he served in - wouldn’t have looked so dapper at his wedding in the Mercian Regiment’s dress uniform compared to HC. 3. Serving in the army with huge protection - not for him an outpost like Kajaki as an irrelevant infantry officer. 4. Invictus games - why would the brains behind it have Harry Windsor front it - nobody has heard of him. 5. A job, would have been sacked as the social media photos showing him dressed as a nazi would have seen him out on his ear. 6. A free house. 7. Hot and cold running travel to Botswana for his third date amongst other global travels. 8. A date with a C-list US actress. 9. A dad he can ask for millions from to help set up home in a massive mansion in California. 10. A deal to make a story about his relationship from Netflix.
So maybe he might realise one day that he actually owes all he has and has had to the people he is slamming and there is nothing of his personal genius in how he is in the position he is now.
They have entrance exams at Eton? What's the point if they let in so many dumb boys?
Only two questions on the paper: Who are your parents? How much money have they got?
If you are minded to go there it is now fiendishly difficult to get into Eton. And once there it is indeed a hothouse with very little tolerance of slack academic achievement.
It suits many people to denigrate it and that usually comes with envy or resentment and that's fair enough I understand why; it's a club and you (they) are outside it. Plus its pupils often go on to run the world or close to it so who wouldn't be resentful of that.
When stumbling across somebody who opposes schools like Eton how do you suss out if he or she is driven by resentment or by a genuine belief that such institutions are incompatible with even a semblance of equal opportunities?
It would be interesting to conduct an experiment amongst anti-public school types. If at the right age, offer an all expenses paid place at Eton or Benenden to their offspring or, hand on heart, ask whether they would have liked their offspring to go to those schools.
I'm sure some - you I have no doubt - would stick to your line of sending your children to the local comp but it might nevertheless provoke an internal debate which would give some sort of a clue as to why people are in favour of them.
You can oppose a system - want to see it end for the greater good - but nevertheless choose to use it. Eg what about a socialist in a capitalist society? Do they have to remain dirt poor for their views to be authentic? Course not. They can succeed in the system whilst still opposing it. So, no, I get where you're coming from, but this is not a good litmus test for 'resentment vs genuine belief' when it comes to being anti the elite public schools.
"You can oppose a system - want to see it end for the greater good - but nevertheless choose to use it."
Hmm that is a stretch. You have to live in society but you don't have to participate in something you ideologically disagree with.
What's your answer btw. Def would not have sent your children to UCS or NLCS or St. Pauls?
Probably not. I'm genuinely not sure tbh. But as I say it doesn't mean much.
A socialist can monetize their talents in a capitalist society and make big bucks whilst remaining opposed to the system that's enriching them. An opponent of private schools can use them whilst still supporting their abolition. Their views remain authentic and untainted in both cases.
A problem would be if you're using a top private school yourself and at the same time slagging off others for doing the same. Or you're earning big money yourself and at the same time slagging off others in the same fortunate position. The personal aspect. Do as I say not as I do. That's hypocrisy.
Quite a revealing comment from Meghan Markle. She seemed to see the Royal Family as a kind of British Kardashians.
@chrisshipitv Meghan says “I thought it was a joke” when she was told she would have to curtsy to Harry’s grandmother, the Queen on their first meeting. In her interview, Meghan performs a deep bow with her arms outstretched and says “Pleasure to meet you Your Majesty” and asked “was that ok?”
She's American. The Declaration of Independence states that "we hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal..." and so it's hardly surprising that she is bewildered by the idea of curtseying to somebody, especially in private to a member of her husband's family. I'm British, and a moderate monarchist, and it seems kind of archaic even to me. People forget how wide the cultural gap is between the UK and the US, on many dimensions.
Maybe, but she chose to marry into that family and the traditions it comes with.
That's true. I think she was mad to do so, the idea that a Black American woman marrying into the Royal Family under the gaze of the British press was going to be anything other than a total shitshow is for the birds. My own personal theory is that Harry married her precisely because he saw her as his exit from a life that had caused him nothing but misery. That exit is complicated of course. They seem like nice people and I wish them luck.
' 'A life that had caused him nothing but misery', it got him an Eton education, paid for staff, security and accomodation and motorcade and flights for life, a big taxpayer funded wedding and titles and a place in the line of succession he and his children still have
Things he would have been unlikely to have in his life if he was Harry Windsor, ex army officer now Foxtons estate agent living in Wandsworth. And not a member of that awful racist family from this evil racist country.
1. A place at Eton as he is thick and wouldn’t have passed entrance. 2. Choices of the regiments in the army he served in - wouldn’t have looked so dapper at his wedding in the Mercian Regiment’s dress uniform compared to HC. 3. Serving in the army with huge protection - not for him an outpost like Kajaki as an irrelevant infantry officer. 4. Invictus games - why would the brains behind it have Harry Windsor front it - nobody has heard of him. 5. A job, would have been sacked as the social media photos showing him dressed as a nazi would have seen him out on his ear. 6. A free house. 7. Hot and cold running travel to Botswana for his third date amongst other global travels. 8. A date with a C-list US actress. 9. A dad he can ask for millions from to help set up home in a massive mansion in California. 10. A deal to make a story about his relationship from Netflix.
So maybe he might realise one day that he actually owes all he has and has had to the people he is slamming and there is nothing of his personal genius in how he is in the position he is now.
They have entrance exams at Eton? What's the point if they let in so many dumb boys?
Only two questions on the paper: Who are your parents? How much money have they got?
If you are minded to go there it is now fiendishly difficult to get into Eton. And once there it is indeed a hothouse with very little tolerance of slack academic achievement.
It suits many people to denigrate it and that usually comes with envy or resentment and that's fair enough I understand why; it's a club and you (they) are outside it. Plus its pupils often go on to run the world or close to it so who wouldn't be resentful of that.
When stumbling across somebody who opposes schools like Eton how do you suss out if he or she is driven by resentment or by a genuine belief that such institutions are incompatible with even a semblance of equal opportunities?
According to some educational experts, parental nurture and the period up to the age of 5 are *the* determinative of future outcomes.
So, to ensure equality, all children should be taken from their families and raised by philosophers (see Plato)
Which is why total equality is a strawman. An egalitarian education system will weaken the link between parental bank balance and life prospects. You can't eradicate it and shouldn't try.
Even if you had a perfect education system for all, and everyone had perfect parenting with equal resources spent on them, there would still be both inequality and social immobility. Because 50% of IQ is inheritable and smart people tend to marry other smart people. So after a generation or two of allowing all the poor smart people to succeed, they would reach the top and their children, through meritocracy alone, would also be more likely to reach the top than others.
If you had a perfect education system for all there would be inequality not necessarily because of inherited ability but because of pounds, shillings, and pence.
Those with more money might choose to spend it on tutors and other educational aids thereby privileging their children over the others.
Which means that those who are anti-public schools would need to outlaw tutoring because that would give an unfair advantage and it all of course leads to everyone earning the same amount of money or being told, quite precisely, how to spend their money.
And that is at the heart of the anti-public school thinking. It is a symptom not a cause and if they thought about it, those who would abolish public schools would also want equality of both opportunity and outcome and would need to enforce the latter for their system to work.
Thinking about this has to start with what is unavoidable. Including that parents bring up children and are formative; and that familial cultures are already formed by a past that has already happened.
The other elephant is that many have a narrow idea of success, opportunity, equality and happiness. As if there is a self evident pyramid with Harvard, Balliol, money, Man City, city slicking, Lord Pannick KC, and editor of the WSJ at the top and minimum wage care assistant for old people/checkout person at Lidl at the bottom.
Suppose all that is simply false? I think it's all just untrue. Anyone agree?
As a result I would never send children to private schools, and didn't; but couldn't care less if others do.
Quite a revealing comment from Meghan Markle. She seemed to see the Royal Family as a kind of British Kardashians.
@chrisshipitv Meghan says “I thought it was a joke” when she was told she would have to curtsy to Harry’s grandmother, the Queen on their first meeting. In her interview, Meghan performs a deep bow with her arms outstretched and says “Pleasure to meet you Your Majesty” and asked “was that ok?”
She's American. The Declaration of Independence states that "we hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal..." and so it's hardly surprising that she is bewildered by the idea of curtseying to somebody, especially in private to a member of her husband's family. I'm British, and a moderate monarchist, and it seems kind of archaic even to me. People forget how wide the cultural gap is between the UK and the US, on many dimensions.
Maybe, but she chose to marry into that family and the traditions it comes with.
That's true. I think she was mad to do so, the idea that a Black American woman marrying into the Royal Family under the gaze of the British press was going to be anything other than a total shitshow is for the birds. My own personal theory is that Harry married her precisely because he saw her as his exit from a life that had caused him nothing but misery. That exit is complicated of course. They seem like nice people and I wish them luck.
' 'A life that had caused him nothing but misery', it got him an Eton education, paid for staff, security and accomodation and motorcade and flights for life, a big taxpayer funded wedding and titles and a place in the line of succession he and his children still have
Things he would have been unlikely to have in his life if he was Harry Windsor, ex army officer now Foxtons estate agent living in Wandsworth. And not a member of that awful racist family from this evil racist country.
1. A place at Eton as he is thick and wouldn’t have passed entrance. 2. Choices of the regiments in the army he served in - wouldn’t have looked so dapper at his wedding in the Mercian Regiment’s dress uniform compared to HC. 3. Serving in the army with huge protection - not for him an outpost like Kajaki as an irrelevant infantry officer. 4. Invictus games - why would the brains behind it have Harry Windsor front it - nobody has heard of him. 5. A job, would have been sacked as the social media photos showing him dressed as a nazi would have seen him out on his ear. 6. A free house. 7. Hot and cold running travel to Botswana for his third date amongst other global travels. 8. A date with a C-list US actress. 9. A dad he can ask for millions from to help set up home in a massive mansion in California. 10. A deal to make a story about his relationship from Netflix.
So maybe he might realise one day that he actually owes all he has and has had to the people he is slamming and there is nothing of his personal genius in how he is in the position he is now.
They have entrance exams at Eton? What's the point if they let in so many dumb boys?
Only two questions on the paper: Who are your parents? How much money have they got?
If you are minded to go there it is now fiendishly difficult to get into Eton. And once there it is indeed a hothouse with very little tolerance of slack academic achievement.
It suits many people to denigrate it and that usually comes with envy or resentment and that's fair enough I understand why; it's a club and you (they) are outside it. Plus its pupils often go on to run the world or close to it so who wouldn't be resentful of that.
When stumbling across somebody who opposes schools like Eton how do you suss out if he or she is driven by resentment or by a genuine belief that such institutions are incompatible with even a semblance of equal opportunities?
It would be interesting to conduct an experiment amongst anti-public school types. If at the right age, offer an all expenses paid place at Eton or Benenden to their offspring or, hand on heart, ask whether they would have liked their offspring to go to those schools.
I'm sure some - you I have no doubt - would stick to your line of sending your children to the local comp but it might nevertheless provoke an internal debate which would give some sort of a clue as to why people are in favour of them.
I'd rather the choice:
a) all the children in your familial line have the no expense spared educations
b) the country's fee paying schools are abolished
But that wasn't the question. Private schools exist and we can see from our various PMs and Archbishops of Canterburys and so forth what that can mean for future prospects.
In such a world you must answer the question I asked.
Your question relies upon the morality of said schools vs the morality of denying your child the benefit of such education.
In my world both choices are amoral. IMO privileging your children because of your wealth rather than their ability fundamentally damages society.
People use this technique all the time to defend privilege and try and police who are 'proper' lefties.
So when it comes to things providing unfair advantage in life it's not enough to say you oppose them, you have to personally deny yourself and your children the use of these things - otherwise you're a phony.
Quite a revealing comment from Meghan Markle. She seemed to see the Royal Family as a kind of British Kardashians.
@chrisshipitv Meghan says “I thought it was a joke” when she was told she would have to curtsy to Harry’s grandmother, the Queen on their first meeting. In her interview, Meghan performs a deep bow with her arms outstretched and says “Pleasure to meet you Your Majesty” and asked “was that ok?”
She's American. The Declaration of Independence states that "we hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal..." and so it's hardly surprising that she is bewildered by the idea of curtseying to somebody, especially in private to a member of her husband's family. I'm British, and a moderate monarchist, and it seems kind of archaic even to me. People forget how wide the cultural gap is between the UK and the US, on many dimensions.
Maybe, but she chose to marry into that family and the traditions it comes with.
That's true. I think she was mad to do so, the idea that a Black American woman marrying into the Royal Family under the gaze of the British press was going to be anything other than a total shitshow is for the birds. My own personal theory is that Harry married her precisely because he saw her as his exit from a life that had caused him nothing but misery. That exit is complicated of course. They seem like nice people and I wish them luck.
' 'A life that had caused him nothing but misery', it got him an Eton education, paid for staff, security and accomodation and motorcade and flights for life, a big taxpayer funded wedding and titles and a place in the line of succession he and his children still have
Things he would have been unlikely to have in his life if he was Harry Windsor, ex army officer now Foxtons estate agent living in Wandsworth. And not a member of that awful racist family from this evil racist country.
1. A place at Eton as he is thick and wouldn’t have passed entrance. 2. Choices of the regiments in the army he served in - wouldn’t have looked so dapper at his wedding in the Mercian Regiment’s dress uniform compared to HC. 3. Serving in the army with huge protection - not for him an outpost like Kajaki as an irrelevant infantry officer. 4. Invictus games - why would the brains behind it have Harry Windsor front it - nobody has heard of him. 5. A job, would have been sacked as the social media photos showing him dressed as a nazi would have seen him out on his ear. 6. A free house. 7. Hot and cold running travel to Botswana for his third date amongst other global travels. 8. A date with a C-list US actress. 9. A dad he can ask for millions from to help set up home in a massive mansion in California. 10. A deal to make a story about his relationship from Netflix.
So maybe he might realise one day that he actually owes all he has and has had to the people he is slamming and there is nothing of his personal genius in how he is in the position he is now.
They have entrance exams at Eton? What's the point if they let in so many dumb boys?
Only two questions on the paper: Who are your parents? How much money have they got?
If you are minded to go there it is now fiendishly difficult to get into Eton. And once there it is indeed a hothouse with very little tolerance of slack academic achievement.
It suits many people to denigrate it and that usually comes with envy or resentment and that's fair enough I understand why; it's a club and you (they) are outside it. Plus its pupils often go on to run the world or close to it so who wouldn't be resentful of that.
When stumbling across somebody who opposes schools like Eton how do you suss out if he or she is driven by resentment or by a genuine belief that such institutions are incompatible with even a semblance of equal opportunities?
According to some educational experts, parental nurture and the period up to the age of 5 are *the* determinative of future outcomes.
So, to ensure equality, all children should be taken from their families and raised by philosophers (see Plato)
Which is why total equality is a strawman. An egalitarian education system will weaken the link between parental bank balance and life prospects. You can't eradicate it and shouldn't try.
Even if you had a perfect education system for all, and everyone had perfect parenting with equal resources spent on them, there would still be both inequality and social immobility. Because 50% of IQ is inheritable and smart people tend to marry other smart people. So after a generation or two of allowing all the poor smart people to succeed, they would reach the top and their children, through meritocracy alone, would also be more likely to reach the top than others.
If you had a perfect education system for all there would be inequality not necessarily because of inherited ability but because of pounds, shillings, and pence.
Those with more money might choose to spend it on tutors and other educational aids thereby privileging their children over the others.
Which means that those who are anti-public schools would need to outlaw tutoring because that would give an unfair advantage and it all of course leads to everyone earning the same amount of money or being told, quite precisely, how to spend their money.
And that is at the heart of the anti-public school thinking. It is a symptom not a cause and if they thought about it, those who would abolish public schools would also want equality of both opportunity and outcome and would need to enforce the latter for their system to work.
Almost the same argument applies to anti-grammar school thinking.
Quite a revealing comment from Meghan Markle. She seemed to see the Royal Family as a kind of British Kardashians.
@chrisshipitv Meghan says “I thought it was a joke” when she was told she would have to curtsy to Harry’s grandmother, the Queen on their first meeting. In her interview, Meghan performs a deep bow with her arms outstretched and says “Pleasure to meet you Your Majesty” and asked “was that ok?”
She's American. The Declaration of Independence states that "we hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal..." and so it's hardly surprising that she is bewildered by the idea of curtseying to somebody, especially in private to a member of her husband's family. I'm British, and a moderate monarchist, and it seems kind of archaic even to me. People forget how wide the cultural gap is between the UK and the US, on many dimensions.
Maybe, but she chose to marry into that family and the traditions it comes with.
That's true. I think she was mad to do so, the idea that a Black American woman marrying into the Royal Family under the gaze of the British press was going to be anything other than a total shitshow is for the birds. My own personal theory is that Harry married her precisely because he saw her as his exit from a life that had caused him nothing but misery. That exit is complicated of course. They seem like nice people and I wish them luck.
' 'A life that had caused him nothing but misery', it got him an Eton education, paid for staff, security and accomodation and motorcade and flights for life, a big taxpayer funded wedding and titles and a place in the line of succession he and his children still have
Things he would have been unlikely to have in his life if he was Harry Windsor, ex army officer now Foxtons estate agent living in Wandsworth. And not a member of that awful racist family from this evil racist country.
1. A place at Eton as he is thick and wouldn’t have passed entrance. 2. Choices of the regiments in the army he served in - wouldn’t have looked so dapper at his wedding in the Mercian Regiment’s dress uniform compared to HC. 3. Serving in the army with huge protection - not for him an outpost like Kajaki as an irrelevant infantry officer. 4. Invictus games - why would the brains behind it have Harry Windsor front it - nobody has heard of him. 5. A job, would have been sacked as the social media photos showing him dressed as a nazi would have seen him out on his ear. 6. A free house. 7. Hot and cold running travel to Botswana for his third date amongst other global travels. 8. A date with a C-list US actress. 9. A dad he can ask for millions from to help set up home in a massive mansion in California. 10. A deal to make a story about his relationship from Netflix.
So maybe he might realise one day that he actually owes all he has and has had to the people he is slamming and there is nothing of his personal genius in how he is in the position he is now.
They have entrance exams at Eton? What's the point if they let in so many dumb boys?
Only two questions on the paper: Who are your parents? How much money have they got?
If you are minded to go there it is now fiendishly difficult to get into Eton. And once there it is indeed a hothouse with very little tolerance of slack academic achievement.
It suits many people to denigrate it and that usually comes with envy or resentment and that's fair enough I understand why; it's a club and you (they) are outside it. Plus its pupils often go on to run the world or close to it so who wouldn't be resentful of that.
When stumbling across somebody who opposes schools like Eton how do you suss out if he or she is driven by resentment or by a genuine belief that such institutions are incompatible with even a semblance of equal opportunities?
It would be interesting to conduct an experiment amongst anti-public school types. If at the right age, offer an all expenses paid place at Eton or Benenden to their offspring or, hand on heart, ask whether they would have liked their offspring to go to those schools.
I'm sure some - you I have no doubt - would stick to your line of sending your children to the local comp but it might nevertheless provoke an internal debate which would give some sort of a clue as to why people are in favour of them.
I'd rather the choice:
a) all the children in your familial line have the no expense spared educations
b) the country's fee paying schools are abolished
But that wasn't the question. Private schools exist and we can see from our various PMs and Archbishops of Canterburys and so forth what that can mean for future prospects.
In such a world you must answer the question I asked.
Your question relies upon the morality of said schools vs the morality of denying your child the benefit of such education.
In my world both choices are amoral. IMO privileging your children because of your wealth rather than their ability fundamentally damages society.
People use this technique all the time to defend privilege and try and police who are 'proper' lefties.
So when it comes to things providing unfair advantage in life it's not enough to say you oppose them, you have to personally deny yourself and your children the use of these things - otherwise you're a phony.
It's a load of old tat basically.
But it's true. You are a phony if you desperately oppose a political system which you benefit from hugely yourself and participate in wholly including, of all things, sending your children to private schools.
Quite a revealing comment from Meghan Markle. She seemed to see the Royal Family as a kind of British Kardashians.
@chrisshipitv Meghan says “I thought it was a joke” when she was told she would have to curtsy to Harry’s grandmother, the Queen on their first meeting. In her interview, Meghan performs a deep bow with her arms outstretched and says “Pleasure to meet you Your Majesty” and asked “was that ok?”
She's American. The Declaration of Independence states that "we hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal..." and so it's hardly surprising that she is bewildered by the idea of curtseying to somebody, especially in private to a member of her husband's family. I'm British, and a moderate monarchist, and it seems kind of archaic even to me. People forget how wide the cultural gap is between the UK and the US, on many dimensions.
Maybe, but she chose to marry into that family and the traditions it comes with.
That's true. I think she was mad to do so, the idea that a Black American woman marrying into the Royal Family under the gaze of the British press was going to be anything other than a total shitshow is for the birds. My own personal theory is that Harry married her precisely because he saw her as his exit from a life that had caused him nothing but misery. That exit is complicated of course. They seem like nice people and I wish them luck.
' 'A life that had caused him nothing but misery', it got him an Eton education, paid for staff, security and accomodation and motorcade and flights for life, a big taxpayer funded wedding and titles and a place in the line of succession he and his children still have
Things he would have been unlikely to have in his life if he was Harry Windsor, ex army officer now Foxtons estate agent living in Wandsworth. And not a member of that awful racist family from this evil racist country.
1. A place at Eton as he is thick and wouldn’t have passed entrance. 2. Choices of the regiments in the army he served in - wouldn’t have looked so dapper at his wedding in the Mercian Regiment’s dress uniform compared to HC. 3. Serving in the army with huge protection - not for him an outpost like Kajaki as an irrelevant infantry officer. 4. Invictus games - why would the brains behind it have Harry Windsor front it - nobody has heard of him. 5. A job, would have been sacked as the social media photos showing him dressed as a nazi would have seen him out on his ear. 6. A free house. 7. Hot and cold running travel to Botswana for his third date amongst other global travels. 8. A date with a C-list US actress. 9. A dad he can ask for millions from to help set up home in a massive mansion in California. 10. A deal to make a story about his relationship from Netflix.
So maybe he might realise one day that he actually owes all he has and has had to the people he is slamming and there is nothing of his personal genius in how he is in the position he is now.
They have entrance exams at Eton? What's the point if they let in so many dumb boys?
Only two questions on the paper: Who are your parents? How much money have they got?
If you are minded to go there it is now fiendishly difficult to get into Eton. And once there it is indeed a hothouse with very little tolerance of slack academic achievement.
It suits many people to denigrate it and that usually comes with envy or resentment and that's fair enough I understand why; it's a club and you (they) are outside it. Plus its pupils often go on to run the world or close to it so who wouldn't be resentful of that.
When stumbling across somebody who opposes schools like Eton how do you suss out if he or she is driven by resentment or by a genuine belief that such institutions are incompatible with even a semblance of equal opportunities?
It would be interesting to conduct an experiment amongst anti-public school types. If at the right age, offer an all expenses paid place at Eton or Benenden to their offspring or, hand on heart, ask whether they would have liked their offspring to go to those schools.
I'm sure some - you I have no doubt - would stick to your line of sending your children to the local comp but it might nevertheless provoke an internal debate which would give some sort of a clue as to why people are in favour of them.
I'd rather the choice:
a) all the children in your familial line have the no expense spared educations
b) the country's fee paying schools are abolished
But that wasn't the question. Private schools exist and we can see from our various PMs and Archbishops of Canterburys and so forth what that can mean for future prospects.
In such a world you must answer the question I asked.
Your question relies upon the morality of said schools vs the morality of denying your child the benefit of such education.
In my world both choices are amoral. IMO privileging your children because of your wealth rather than their ability fundamentally damages society.
Ultimately it's impossible to separate the two unless you make all children wards of the state and separate them from their parents.
Quite a revealing comment from Meghan Markle. She seemed to see the Royal Family as a kind of British Kardashians.
@chrisshipitv Meghan says “I thought it was a joke” when she was told she would have to curtsy to Harry’s grandmother, the Queen on their first meeting. In her interview, Meghan performs a deep bow with her arms outstretched and says “Pleasure to meet you Your Majesty” and asked “was that ok?”
She's American. The Declaration of Independence states that "we hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal..." and so it's hardly surprising that she is bewildered by the idea of curtseying to somebody, especially in private to a member of her husband's family. I'm British, and a moderate monarchist, and it seems kind of archaic even to me. People forget how wide the cultural gap is between the UK and the US, on many dimensions.
Maybe, but she chose to marry into that family and the traditions it comes with.
That's true. I think she was mad to do so, the idea that a Black American woman marrying into the Royal Family under the gaze of the British press was going to be anything other than a total shitshow is for the birds. My own personal theory is that Harry married her precisely because he saw her as his exit from a life that had caused him nothing but misery. That exit is complicated of course. They seem like nice people and I wish them luck.
' 'A life that had caused him nothing but misery', it got him an Eton education, paid for staff, security and accomodation and motorcade and flights for life, a big taxpayer funded wedding and titles and a place in the line of succession he and his children still have
Things he would have been unlikely to have in his life if he was Harry Windsor, ex army officer now Foxtons estate agent living in Wandsworth. And not a member of that awful racist family from this evil racist country.
1. A place at Eton as he is thick and wouldn’t have passed entrance. 2. Choices of the regiments in the army he served in - wouldn’t have looked so dapper at his wedding in the Mercian Regiment’s dress uniform compared to HC. 3. Serving in the army with huge protection - not for him an outpost like Kajaki as an irrelevant infantry officer. 4. Invictus games - why would the brains behind it have Harry Windsor front it - nobody has heard of him. 5. A job, would have been sacked as the social media photos showing him dressed as a nazi would have seen him out on his ear. 6. A free house. 7. Hot and cold running travel to Botswana for his third date amongst other global travels. 8. A date with a C-list US actress. 9. A dad he can ask for millions from to help set up home in a massive mansion in California. 10. A deal to make a story about his relationship from Netflix.
So maybe he might realise one day that he actually owes all he has and has had to the people he is slamming and there is nothing of his personal genius in how he is in the position he is now.
They have entrance exams at Eton? What's the point if they let in so many dumb boys?
Only two questions on the paper: Who are your parents? How much money have they got?
If you are minded to go there it is now fiendishly difficult to get into Eton. And once there it is indeed a hothouse with very little tolerance of slack academic achievement.
It suits many people to denigrate it and that usually comes with envy or resentment and that's fair enough I understand why; it's a club and you (they) are outside it. Plus its pupils often go on to run the world or close to it so who wouldn't be resentful of that.
When stumbling across somebody who opposes schools like Eton how do you suss out if he or she is driven by resentment or by a genuine belief that such institutions are incompatible with even a semblance of equal opportunities?
According to some educational experts, parental nurture and the period up to the age of 5 are *the* determinative of future outcomes.
So, to ensure equality, all children should be taken from their families and raised by philosophers (see Plato)
Which is why total equality is a strawman. An egalitarian education system will weaken the link between parental bank balance and life prospects. You can't eradicate it and shouldn't try.
Even if you had a perfect education system for all, and everyone had perfect parenting with equal resources spent on them, there would still be both inequality and social immobility. Because 50% of IQ is inheritable and smart people tend to marry other smart people. So after a generation or two of allowing all the poor smart people to succeed, they would reach the top and their children, through meritocracy alone, would also be more likely to reach the top than others.
Quite a revealing comment from Meghan Markle. She seemed to see the Royal Family as a kind of British Kardashians.
@chrisshipitv Meghan says “I thought it was a joke” when she was told she would have to curtsy to Harry’s grandmother, the Queen on their first meeting. In her interview, Meghan performs a deep bow with her arms outstretched and says “Pleasure to meet you Your Majesty” and asked “was that ok?”
She's American. The Declaration of Independence states that "we hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal..." and so it's hardly surprising that she is bewildered by the idea of curtseying to somebody, especially in private to a member of her husband's family. I'm British, and a moderate monarchist, and it seems kind of archaic even to me. People forget how wide the cultural gap is between the UK and the US, on many dimensions.
Maybe, but she chose to marry into that family and the traditions it comes with.
That's true. I think she was mad to do so, the idea that a Black American woman marrying into the Royal Family under the gaze of the British press was going to be anything other than a total shitshow is for the birds. My own personal theory is that Harry married her precisely because he saw her as his exit from a life that had caused him nothing but misery. That exit is complicated of course. They seem like nice people and I wish them luck.
' 'A life that had caused him nothing but misery', it got him an Eton education, paid for staff, security and accomodation and motorcade and flights for life, a big taxpayer funded wedding and titles and a place in the line of succession he and his children still have
Things he would have been unlikely to have in his life if he was Harry Windsor, ex army officer now Foxtons estate agent living in Wandsworth. And not a member of that awful racist family from this evil racist country.
1. A place at Eton as he is thick and wouldn’t have passed entrance. 2. Choices of the regiments in the army he served in - wouldn’t have looked so dapper at his wedding in the Mercian Regiment’s dress uniform compared to HC. 3. Serving in the army with huge protection - not for him an outpost like Kajaki as an irrelevant infantry officer. 4. Invictus games - why would the brains behind it have Harry Windsor front it - nobody has heard of him. 5. A job, would have been sacked as the social media photos showing him dressed as a nazi would have seen him out on his ear. 6. A free house. 7. Hot and cold running travel to Botswana for his third date amongst other global travels. 8. A date with a C-list US actress. 9. A dad he can ask for millions from to help set up home in a massive mansion in California. 10. A deal to make a story about his relationship from Netflix.
So maybe he might realise one day that he actually owes all he has and has had to the people he is slamming and there is nothing of his personal genius in how he is in the position he is now.
They have entrance exams at Eton? What's the point if they let in so many dumb boys?
Only two questions on the paper: Who are your parents? How much money have they got?
If you are minded to go there it is now fiendishly difficult to get into Eton. And once there it is indeed a hothouse with very little tolerance of slack academic achievement.
It suits many people to denigrate it and that usually comes with envy or resentment and that's fair enough I understand why; it's a club and you (they) are outside it. Plus its pupils often go on to run the world or close to it so who wouldn't be resentful of that.
When stumbling across somebody who opposes schools like Eton how do you suss out if he or she is driven by resentment or by a genuine belief that such institutions are incompatible with even a semblance of equal opportunities?
It would be interesting to conduct an experiment amongst anti-public school types. If at the right age, offer an all expenses paid place at Eton or Benenden to their offspring or, hand on heart, ask whether they would have liked their offspring to go to those schools.
I'm sure some - you I have no doubt - would stick to your line of sending your children to the local comp but it might nevertheless provoke an internal debate which would give some sort of a clue as to why people are in favour of them.
I'd rather the choice:
a) all the children in your familial line have the no expense spared educations
b) the country's fee paying schools are abolished
But that wasn't the question. Private schools exist and we can see from our various PMs and Archbishops of Canterburys and so forth what that can mean for future prospects.
In such a world you must answer the question I asked.
Your question relies upon the morality of said schools vs the morality of denying your child the benefit of such education.
In my world both choices are amoral. IMO privileging your children because of your wealth rather than their ability fundamentally damages society.
People use this technique all the time to defend privilege and try and police who are 'proper' lefties.
So when it comes to things providing unfair advantage in life it's not enough to say you oppose them, you have to personally deny yourself and your children the use of these things - otherwise you're a phony.
It's a load of old tat basically.
But it's true. You are a phony if you desperately oppose a political system which you benefit from hugely yourself and participate in wholly including, of all things, sending your children to private schools.
Quite a revealing comment from Meghan Markle. She seemed to see the Royal Family as a kind of British Kardashians.
@chrisshipitv Meghan says “I thought it was a joke” when she was told she would have to curtsy to Harry’s grandmother, the Queen on their first meeting. In her interview, Meghan performs a deep bow with her arms outstretched and says “Pleasure to meet you Your Majesty” and asked “was that ok?”
She's American. The Declaration of Independence states that "we hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal..." and so it's hardly surprising that she is bewildered by the idea of curtseying to somebody, especially in private to a member of her husband's family. I'm British, and a moderate monarchist, and it seems kind of archaic even to me. People forget how wide the cultural gap is between the UK and the US, on many dimensions.
Maybe, but she chose to marry into that family and the traditions it comes with.
That's true. I think she was mad to do so, the idea that a Black American woman marrying into the Royal Family under the gaze of the British press was going to be anything other than a total shitshow is for the birds. My own personal theory is that Harry married her precisely because he saw her as his exit from a life that had caused him nothing but misery. That exit is complicated of course. They seem like nice people and I wish them luck.
' 'A life that had caused him nothing but misery', it got him an Eton education, paid for staff, security and accomodation and motorcade and flights for life, a big taxpayer funded wedding and titles and a place in the line of succession he and his children still have
Things he would have been unlikely to have in his life if he was Harry Windsor, ex army officer now Foxtons estate agent living in Wandsworth. And not a member of that awful racist family from this evil racist country.
1. A place at Eton as he is thick and wouldn’t have passed entrance. 2. Choices of the regiments in the army he served in - wouldn’t have looked so dapper at his wedding in the Mercian Regiment’s dress uniform compared to HC. 3. Serving in the army with huge protection - not for him an outpost like Kajaki as an irrelevant infantry officer. 4. Invictus games - why would the brains behind it have Harry Windsor front it - nobody has heard of him. 5. A job, would have been sacked as the social media photos showing him dressed as a nazi would have seen him out on his ear. 6. A free house. 7. Hot and cold running travel to Botswana for his third date amongst other global travels. 8. A date with a C-list US actress. 9. A dad he can ask for millions from to help set up home in a massive mansion in California. 10. A deal to make a story about his relationship from Netflix.
So maybe he might realise one day that he actually owes all he has and has had to the people he is slamming and there is nothing of his personal genius in how he is in the position he is now.
They have entrance exams at Eton? What's the point if they let in so many dumb boys?
Only two questions on the paper: Who are your parents? How much money have they got?
If you are minded to go there it is now fiendishly difficult to get into Eton. And once there it is indeed a hothouse with very little tolerance of slack academic achievement.
It suits many people to denigrate it and that usually comes with envy or resentment and that's fair enough I understand why; it's a club and you (they) are outside it. Plus its pupils often go on to run the world or close to it so who wouldn't be resentful of that.
When stumbling across somebody who opposes schools like Eton how do you suss out if he or she is driven by resentment or by a genuine belief that such institutions are incompatible with even a semblance of equal opportunities?
It would be interesting to conduct an experiment amongst anti-public school types. If at the right age, offer an all expenses paid place at Eton or Benenden to their offspring or, hand on heart, ask whether they would have liked their offspring to go to those schools.
I'm sure some - you I have no doubt - would stick to your line of sending your children to the local comp but it might nevertheless provoke an internal debate which would give some sort of a clue as to why people are in favour of them.
You can oppose a system - want to see it end for the greater good - but nevertheless choose to use it. Eg what about a socialist in a capitalist society? Do they have to remain dirt poor for their views to be authentic? Course not. They can succeed in the system whilst still opposing it. So, no, I get where you're coming from, but this is not a good litmus test for 'resentment vs genuine belief' when it comes to being anti the elite public schools.
A genuine socialist would work in the public sector and press to nationalise virtually all private industry
Nonsense. What if they are a great footballer and a big premier league club comes calling?
Few footballers are real socialists, they are too materialistic but if they were just join a fan owned club and play for their country
A socialist can be materialistic and a Tory can be ascetic. Your politics doesn't dictate such attributes.
Quite a revealing comment from Meghan Markle. She seemed to see the Royal Family as a kind of British Kardashians.
@chrisshipitv Meghan says “I thought it was a joke” when she was told she would have to curtsy to Harry’s grandmother, the Queen on their first meeting. In her interview, Meghan performs a deep bow with her arms outstretched and says “Pleasure to meet you Your Majesty” and asked “was that ok?”
She's American. The Declaration of Independence states that "we hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal..." and so it's hardly surprising that she is bewildered by the idea of curtseying to somebody, especially in private to a member of her husband's family. I'm British, and a moderate monarchist, and it seems kind of archaic even to me. People forget how wide the cultural gap is between the UK and the US, on many dimensions.
Maybe, but she chose to marry into that family and the traditions it comes with.
That's true. I think she was mad to do so, the idea that a Black American woman marrying into the Royal Family under the gaze of the British press was going to be anything other than a total shitshow is for the birds. My own personal theory is that Harry married her precisely because he saw her as his exit from a life that had caused him nothing but misery. That exit is complicated of course. They seem like nice people and I wish them luck.
' 'A life that had caused him nothing but misery', it got him an Eton education, paid for staff, security and accomodation and motorcade and flights for life, a big taxpayer funded wedding and titles and a place in the line of succession he and his children still have
Things he would have been unlikely to have in his life if he was Harry Windsor, ex army officer now Foxtons estate agent living in Wandsworth. And not a member of that awful racist family from this evil racist country.
1. A place at Eton as he is thick and wouldn’t have passed entrance. 2. Choices of the regiments in the army he served in - wouldn’t have looked so dapper at his wedding in the Mercian Regiment’s dress uniform compared to HC. 3. Serving in the army with huge protection - not for him an outpost like Kajaki as an irrelevant infantry officer. 4. Invictus games - why would the brains behind it have Harry Windsor front it - nobody has heard of him. 5. A job, would have been sacked as the social media photos showing him dressed as a nazi would have seen him out on his ear. 6. A free house. 7. Hot and cold running travel to Botswana for his third date amongst other global travels. 8. A date with a C-list US actress. 9. A dad he can ask for millions from to help set up home in a massive mansion in California. 10. A deal to make a story about his relationship from Netflix.
So maybe he might realise one day that he actually owes all he has and has had to the people he is slamming and there is nothing of his personal genius in how he is in the position he is now.
They have entrance exams at Eton? What's the point if they let in so many dumb boys?
Only two questions on the paper: Who are your parents? How much money have they got?
If you are minded to go there it is now fiendishly difficult to get into Eton. And once there it is indeed a hothouse with very little tolerance of slack academic achievement.
It suits many people to denigrate it and that usually comes with envy or resentment and that's fair enough I understand why; it's a club and you (they) are outside it. Plus its pupils often go on to run the world or close to it so who wouldn't be resentful of that.
When stumbling across somebody who opposes schools like Eton how do you suss out if he or she is driven by resentment or by a genuine belief that such institutions are incompatible with even a semblance of equal opportunities?
It would be interesting to conduct an experiment amongst anti-public school types. If at the right age, offer an all expenses paid place at Eton or Benenden to their offspring or, hand on heart, ask whether they would have liked their offspring to go to those schools.
I'm sure some - you I have no doubt - would stick to your line of sending your children to the local comp but it might nevertheless provoke an internal debate which would give some sort of a clue as to why people are in favour of them.
I'd rather the choice:
a) all the children in your familial line have the no expense spared educations
b) the country's fee paying schools are abolished
But that wasn't the question. Private schools exist and we can see from our various PMs and Archbishops of Canterburys and so forth what that can mean for future prospects.
In such a world you must answer the question I asked.
Yes no matter how thick you are if you are loaded you can get on no bother.
Quite a revealing comment from Meghan Markle. She seemed to see the Royal Family as a kind of British Kardashians.
@chrisshipitv Meghan says “I thought it was a joke” when she was told she would have to curtsy to Harry’s grandmother, the Queen on their first meeting. In her interview, Meghan performs a deep bow with her arms outstretched and says “Pleasure to meet you Your Majesty” and asked “was that ok?”
She's American. The Declaration of Independence states that "we hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal..." and so it's hardly surprising that she is bewildered by the idea of curtseying to somebody, especially in private to a member of her husband's family. I'm British, and a moderate monarchist, and it seems kind of archaic even to me. People forget how wide the cultural gap is between the UK and the US, on many dimensions.
Maybe, but she chose to marry into that family and the traditions it comes with.
That's true. I think she was mad to do so, the idea that a Black American woman marrying into the Royal Family under the gaze of the British press was going to be anything other than a total shitshow is for the birds. My own personal theory is that Harry married her precisely because he saw her as his exit from a life that had caused him nothing but misery. That exit is complicated of course. They seem like nice people and I wish them luck.
' 'A life that had caused him nothing but misery', it got him an Eton education, paid for staff, security and accomodation and motorcade and flights for life, a big taxpayer funded wedding and titles and a place in the line of succession he and his children still have
Things he would have been unlikely to have in his life if he was Harry Windsor, ex army officer now Foxtons estate agent living in Wandsworth. And not a member of that awful racist family from this evil racist country.
1. A place at Eton as he is thick and wouldn’t have passed entrance. 2. Choices of the regiments in the army he served in - wouldn’t have looked so dapper at his wedding in the Mercian Regiment’s dress uniform compared to HC. 3. Serving in the army with huge protection - not for him an outpost like Kajaki as an irrelevant infantry officer. 4. Invictus games - why would the brains behind it have Harry Windsor front it - nobody has heard of him. 5. A job, would have been sacked as the social media photos showing him dressed as a nazi would have seen him out on his ear. 6. A free house. 7. Hot and cold running travel to Botswana for his third date amongst other global travels. 8. A date with a C-list US actress. 9. A dad he can ask for millions from to help set up home in a massive mansion in California. 10. A deal to make a story about his relationship from Netflix. are So maybe he might realise one day that he actually owes all he has and has had to the people he is slamming and there is nothing of his personal genius in how he is in the position he is now.
They have entrance exams at Eton? What's the point if they let in so many dumb boys?
They don't, the latter normally end up at Stowe, where Harry would probably have gone if he was just Spencer not royal
That’s decades out of date. Back in the day Stowe was indeed the home of Tim Nice But Dim and mainly taught rugby.
They are now an academic school like most other private schools.
They are more academic than they were but still well behind Eton, Winchester, Westminster, Oundle, Sevenoaks, St Pauls etc academically.
Though yes other schools like Harrodian also now offer a less academic private education
What is this oracular nonsense? Unless you work for Gabbitas & Thring (if they are still a thring) or are a university admissions tutor what on earth would you know about it?
They have entrance exams at Eton? What's the point if they let in so many dumb boys?
Only two questions on the paper: Who are your parents? How much money have they got?
The reality is more revealing than that joke. Leaving the scholarship exam aside, there are two different entrance exams to Eton. One is called Eton Entrance, which is for young gentlemen comme il faut. The other is called (can you guess?) Common Entrance, which is used by various private schools but at Eton it's only for young ruffians who attend state schools.
Everyone's heard about putting names down for Eton. My guess (and this is an informed guess and probably accurate, but corrections are welcome) is that a boy and his mater or pater or both are invited to meet a housemaster probably when the lad is about 11, and should everything go sweetly an "offer" is then made stipulating that the said young chap will be given a place in the house (and therefore the school) on condition that he performs at a certain level - expertly assessed and individualised just for him, by the kind of severely warped individual educational genius who chooses to become a boarding school housemaster - in the Entrance exam.
Which is remarkably similar to how admission is run to most British universities, and as for the house thing it's similar to how halls of residence colleges run admissions at a couple of well-known universities located in England's provinces, the country's oldest two in fact.
Quite a revealing comment from Meghan Markle. She seemed to see the Royal Family as a kind of British Kardashians.
@chrisshipitv Meghan says “I thought it was a joke” when she was told she would have to curtsy to Harry’s grandmother, the Queen on their first meeting. In her interview, Meghan performs a deep bow with her arms outstretched and says “Pleasure to meet you Your Majesty” and asked “was that ok?”
She's American. The Declaration of Independence states that "we hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal..." and so it's hardly surprising that she is bewildered by the idea of curtseying to somebody, especially in private to a member of her husband's family. I'm British, and a moderate monarchist, and it seems kind of archaic even to me. People forget how wide the cultural gap is between the UK and the US, on many dimensions.
Maybe, but she chose to marry into that family and the traditions it comes with.
That's true. I think she was mad to do so, the idea that a Black American woman marrying into the Royal Family under the gaze of the British press was going to be anything other than a total shitshow is for the birds. My own personal theory is that Harry married her precisely because he saw her as his exit from a life that had caused him nothing but misery. That exit is complicated of course. They seem like nice people and I wish them luck.
' 'A life that had caused him nothing but misery', it got him an Eton education, paid for staff, security and accomodation and motorcade and flights for life, a big taxpayer funded wedding and titles and a place in the line of succession he and his children still have
Things he would have been unlikely to have in his life if he was Harry Windsor, ex army officer now Foxtons estate agent living in Wandsworth. And not a member of that awful racist family from this evil racist country.
1. A place at Eton as he is thick and wouldn’t have passed entrance. 2. Choices of the regiments in the army he served in - wouldn’t have looked so dapper at his wedding in the Mercian Regiment’s dress uniform compared to HC. 3. Serving in the army with huge protection - not for him an outpost like Kajaki as an irrelevant infantry officer. 4. Invictus games - why would the brains behind it have Harry Windsor front it - nobody has heard of him. 5. A job, would have been sacked as the social media photos showing him dressed as a nazi would have seen him out on his ear. 6. A free house. 7. Hot and cold running travel to Botswana for his third date amongst other global travels. 8. A date with a C-list US actress. 9. A dad he can ask for millions from to help set up home in a massive mansion in California. 10. A deal to make a story about his relationship from Netflix.
So maybe he might realise one day that he actually owes all he has and has had to the people he is slamming and there is nothing of his personal genius in how he is in the position he is now.
They have entrance exams at Eton? What's the point if they let in so many dumb boys?
Only two questions on the paper: Who are your parents? How much money have they got?
If you are minded to go there it is now fiendishly difficult to get into Eton. And once there it is indeed a hothouse with very little tolerance of slack academic achievement.
It suits many people to denigrate it and that usually comes with envy or resentment and that's fair enough I understand why; it's a club and you (they) are outside it. Plus its pupils often go on to run the world or close to it so who wouldn't be resentful of that.
When stumbling across somebody who opposes schools like Eton how do you suss out if he or she is driven by resentment or by a genuine belief that such institutions are incompatible with even a semblance of equal opportunities?
It would be interesting to conduct an experiment amongst anti-public school types. If at the right age, offer an all expenses paid place at Eton or Benenden to their offspring or, hand on heart, ask whether they would have liked their offspring to go to those schools.
Hell f*cking no. Not even if they paid me treble the fees.
I'm sure some - you I have no doubt - would stick to your line of sending your children to the local comp but it might nevertheless provoke an internal debate which would give some sort of a clue as to why people are in favour of them.
Is it because they can't stand the sight of their children? You don't mention boarding. Both the schools you mention are boarding schools. The difference between living at home and living at school is huge for any child.
Also you write as if school is the only option. School isn't compulsory in this country.
Quite a revealing comment from Meghan Markle. She seemed to see the Royal Family as a kind of British Kardashians.
@chrisshipitv Meghan says “I thought it was a joke” when she was told she would have to curtsy to Harry’s grandmother, the Queen on their first meeting. In her interview, Meghan performs a deep bow with her arms outstretched and says “Pleasure to meet you Your Majesty” and asked “was that ok?”
She's American. The Declaration of Independence states that "we hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal..." and so it's hardly surprising that she is bewildered by the idea of curtseying to somebody, especially in private to a member of her husband's family. I'm British, and a moderate monarchist, and it seems kind of archaic even to me. People forget how wide the cultural gap is between the UK and the US, on many dimensions.
Maybe, but she chose to marry into that family and the traditions it comes with.
That's true. I think she was mad to do so, the idea that a Black American woman marrying into the Royal Family under the gaze of the British press was going to be anything other than a total shitshow is for the birds. My own personal theory is that Harry married her precisely because he saw her as his exit from a life that had caused him nothing but misery. That exit is complicated of course. They seem like nice people and I wish them luck.
' 'A life that had caused him nothing but misery', it got him an Eton education, paid for staff, security and accomodation and motorcade and flights for life, a big taxpayer funded wedding and titles and a place in the line of succession he and his children still have
Things he would have been unlikely to have in his life if he was Harry Windsor, ex army officer now Foxtons estate agent living in Wandsworth. And not a member of that awful racist family from this evil racist country.
1. A place at Eton as he is thick and wouldn’t have passed entrance. 2. Choices of the regiments in the army he served in - wouldn’t have looked so dapper at his wedding in the Mercian Regiment’s dress uniform compared to HC. 3. Serving in the army with huge protection - not for him an outpost like Kajaki as an irrelevant infantry officer. 4. Invictus games - why would the brains behind it have Harry Windsor front it - nobody has heard of him. 5. A job, would have been sacked as the social media photos showing him dressed as a nazi would have seen him out on his ear. 6. A free house. 7. Hot and cold running travel to Botswana for his third date amongst other global travels. 8. A date with a C-list US actress. 9. A dad he can ask for millions from to help set up home in a massive mansion in California. 10. A deal to make a story about his relationship from Netflix.
So maybe he might realise one day that he actually owes all he has and has had to the people he is slamming and there is nothing of his personal genius in how he is in the position he is now.
Genuine lol at 'Foxtons estate agent living in Wandsworth'
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And Eton and Marlborough to try but a couple are on that site anyway.
a) all the children in your familial line have the no expense spared educations
b) the country's fee paying schools are abolished
My wife has (I think) managed to train me slightly better.
In such a world you must answer the question I asked.
.https://www.mytopschools.co.uk/best-gcse/
Plus I expect RoI private sector will rather boom, I expect schools there have all sorts of EU protections against tax grabs.
mind you my nephews live there but go to Shrewsbury so standards must be pretty dire.
As for MightyAlex's question, that's trickier as I'd not be in favour of either option (assuming the first option is fee-paying school, not a great education open to everyone) but I guess I'd put my children and their children first and reluctantly abolish all fee paying schools, even though I'd prefer not to deprive other people of the choice.
He, as the teacher who knew most about France* (Head of Maths at Rugby) scouted locations.
Apparently the French government offered them tax exemption in perpetuity, enshrined in French law. Because they saw the prize of getting all the rich and powerful from around the world at a young age….
*Did some interesting stuff in Churchill’s Toyshop in the war.
Hmm that is a stretch. You have to live in society but you don't have to participate in something you ideologically disagree with.
What's your answer btw. Def would not have sent your children to UCS or NLCS or St. Pauls?
In my world both choices are amoral. IMO privileging your children because of your wealth rather than their ability fundamentally damages society.
This is, at least with regard to my experiences at work, obviously a skewed sample as I'm only looking at those who were sufficiently academically able to get a place at a Russell Group university. It makes sense, to some extent, that your typical state school kid who does that is actually smarter than your typical private school kid who will have had extra support, if needed.* In school outreach though, my experience is that the private school kids know the answers to the questions, but it's the state school kids who ask their own interesting questions.
I'm state school educated, so I no doubt have some of my own biases, but I have close friends and colleagues who were privately educated, so I'm not a hardcore class warrior. My own brother in law is deputy head in one of the fancier private schools in London.
*Which I guess begs the question, if my own kids turn out not to be hugely academic, why would I not want them to be coached into a 'good' university? The answer to which is that I'd be just as happy for them to be builders, joiners, plumbers, hairdressers etc if that's where their talents and interests lie.
This government is weak and desperately soft on crime.
Does mean though little argument now to send Prince Andrew to the US for questioning
Time to force all Americans to pass a UK driving test before being allowed on our roads, then.
We can’t have foreigners exploiting loopholes in our justice system. That kids family deserve better from our government.
We have to stop the next Anne Sacoolas.
And as to your point about you being happy for them to be builders, joiners, etc, of course. That makes perfect sense but surely more importantly is that you would want them to have the choice between being a builder and being a lawyer and therefore choose for themselves.
Those with more money might choose to spend it on tutors and other educational aids thereby privileging their children over the others.
Which means that those who are anti-public schools would need to outlaw tutoring because that would give an unfair advantage and it all of course leads to everyone earning the same amount of money or being told, quite precisely, how to spend their money.
And that is at the heart of the anti-public school thinking. It is a symptom not a cause and if they thought about it, those who would abolish public schools would also want equality of both opportunity and outcome and would need to enforce the latter for their system to work.
She is plainly very, very stupid and untrusting: look at her claim that she thought it was a joke when someone told her she would have to curtsy to the Queen. That entails not having any understanding of or interest in the importance of ritual in human affairs, and believing that her informant (Harry?) was lying to her. So, if she genuinely feels she has been a victim of racism, that feeling may be based on a misunderstanding on her part. I have no respect for the monarchy or for her. I do know that she has been exposed as a liar in an English court, though.
Then maybe all UK citizens will have to pass a US, Canadian, New Zealand, Australian, South African test before they could drive in those countries
I quote all those countries as I have hired and driven a car in all of them
A socialist can monetize their talents in a capitalist society and make big bucks whilst remaining opposed to the system that's enriching them. An opponent of private schools can use them whilst still supporting their abolition. Their views remain authentic and untainted in both cases.
A problem would be if you're using a top private school yourself and at the same time slagging off others for doing the same. Or you're earning big money yourself and at the same time slagging off others in the same fortunate position. The personal aspect. Do as I say not as I do. That's hypocrisy.
The other elephant is that many have a narrow idea of success, opportunity, equality and happiness. As if there is a self evident pyramid with Harvard, Balliol, money, Man City, city slicking, Lord Pannick KC, and editor of the WSJ at the top and minimum wage care assistant for old people/checkout person at Lidl at the bottom.
Suppose all that is simply false? I think it's all just untrue. Anyone agree?
As a result I would never send children to private schools, and didn't; but couldn't care less if others do.
So when it comes to things providing unfair advantage in life it's not enough to say you oppose them, you have to personally deny yourself and your children the use of these things - otherwise you're a phony.
It's a load of old tat basically.
As for Gordonstoun, it's not really an academic kind of school. The reality is more revealing than that joke. Leaving the scholarship exam aside, there are two different entrance exams to Eton. One is called Eton Entrance, which is for young gentlemen comme il faut. The other is called (can you guess?) Common Entrance, which is used by various private schools but at Eton it's only for young ruffians who attend state schools.
Everyone's heard about putting names down for Eton. My guess (and this is an informed guess and probably accurate, but corrections are welcome) is that a boy and his mater or pater or both are invited to meet a housemaster probably when the lad is about 11, and should everything go sweetly an "offer" is then made stipulating that the said young chap will be given a place in the house (and therefore the school) on condition that he performs at a certain level - expertly assessed and individualised just for him, by the kind of severely warped individual educational genius who chooses to become a boarding school housemaster - in the Entrance exam.
Which is remarkably similar to how admission is run to most British universities, and as for the house thing it's similar to how halls of residence colleges run admissions at a couple of well-known universities located in England's provinces, the country's oldest two in fact.
Also you write as if school is the only option. School isn't compulsory in this country.