7.5% of Scottish couples being mixed ethnicity seems rather high, if one means white/non-white. Do the Scottish figures include mixed Scottish/English or Scottish/Irish?
I don't know, but I doubt it. I'm pretty sure the English & Welsh figs wouldn't define each other as separate ethnicities.
Those figures are bound to upset any self-confessed fascists on PB who will make up their own figures in anger at the thought of all those mixed ethnicity couples. Maybe they'll blame them for the weather too?
I disagree, and if you were around a few years ago on PB, you might have followed MikeL's stellar reporting on the very same Labour Lords trying to scupper the boundary changes for purely partisan reasons. As it happened, the minute the AV Referendum was lost Clegg then desperately looked around for an excuse to scupper those same boundary changes. And that is why his House of Lords reforms then were made to fall on their sword as a means to renege on this Coalition deal.
Or you could live in the real world where everyone knows it was the tory backbenchers you seem to despise who killed Lords Reform against the wishes of Cammie who wanted it.
Lords reform rebels threaten the biggest revolt in Tory history as 100 backbenchers warn they will not hand Lib Dems power in Upper House
Rebel Conservative MPs are threatening the biggest revolt in the party’s history over Nick Clegg’s plans to replace the House of Lords with a mainly elected second chamber.
Several parliamentary private secretaries, the most junior members of the Government, are considering resigning rather than voting in favour.
David Cameron insisted yesterday it was ‘time to make progress’ over bringing democracy to Parliament’s second chamber.
The UKIPpers remind me of Salmond in his first term in Office in Holyrood and how he neatly avoided ever bringing that Indy Referendum to the floor of the Parliament.
Difference being we're having our referendum while Cammie still can't persuade his own tory backbenchers that his Cast Iron Pledges on a referendum aren't as worthless as they were for Lisbon.
Conservatives could hold Lisbon Treaty referendum after ratification
A Conservative government could hold a referendum on the European Union's Lisbon Treaty even if it has already been ratified, William Hague has said.
Its more the maths that I do not believe. If 4% of the population is non-white it is hard to see how 7.5% of couples are mixed white/non-white. Even in Leicester, one of Britains most ethnically mixed cities and one where mixed ethnicity partnerships are run of the mill, the figure would be below 7.5%.
7.5% of Scottish couples being mixed ethnicity seems rather high, if one means white/non-white. Do the Scottish figures include mixed Scottish/English or Scottish/Irish?
I don't know, but I doubt it. I'm pretty sure the English & Welsh figs wouldn't define each other as separate ethnicities.
Those figures are bound to upset any self-confessed fascists on PB who will make up their own figures in anger at the thought of all those mixed ethnicity couples. Maybe they'll blame them for the weather too?
BBC Lib Dems in 5th place behind UKIP at Cowdenbeath.
And Labour apparently winning with relative ease. Should have taken the 1/8, but my knowledge of Scottish politics isn't good enough for me to feel confident in bets like that. Alas.
Avery LP Has it? QT is recorded live and the BBC has no control over what its panellists say until after they have said it, maybe it missed the censors before it was aired? Dimbleby did read out Rennard's statement but did not reference the Labour spokeswoman's specific allegation which may be telling
QT is recorded at 8:00 pm on the day of its broadcast and is vetted by BBC lawyers. If a statement needs to be removed there is enough time to edit before it goes to air.
That doesn't mean of course that all potential libels are weeded out but that one was so obvious it must have been subject to an editorial and legal decision.
I would imagine if you actually believe a recylced Torygraph and labour attack and is going to cause the SNPs polling to crash then you are as gullible as any PB tory who still believes Cast Iron Cameron's Referendum Pledges.
@Mick_Pork I still remember how David Cameron had to chivvy Alex Salmond on to get himself organised to call and name the date of the Indy Referendum after the SNP won a majority in Holyrood in this Parliament. Westminster certainly got its side of the legalities organised in a timely manner to accommodate the Referendum as soon as possible. But yet again, Cameron's opponents end up with egg on their face every time they try to suggest that he won't do what he actually promised if its within his remit to do so. I well remember the claims of his opponents in the party who claimed he wouldn't deliver on our exit of the EPP group either. But you go ahead and remind us of him not delivering on something he didn't promise to do if that treaty had been ratified.
Its more the maths that I do not believe. If 4% of the population is non-white it is hard to see how 7.5% of couples are mixed white/non-white. Even in Leicester, one of Britains most ethnically mixed cities and one where mixed ethnicity partnerships are run of the mill, the figure would be below 7.5%.
surely its just that mixed ethnicity doesn't necessarily mean having differently coloured skin? I don't know if Irish counts as ethnic, but maybe poles, italians, jews etc? Scotland is fairly cosmopolitan (at least in the central belt) even if the numbers originating in india/pakistan or the carribean are smaller
I didn't know who he was, Neil, but have now consulted Wikipedia.
I hope wikipedia did his illustrious career justice, Avery. I used to watch Coronation Street whenever I visited my granny as she was an avid fan and Adam Rickett was one of her favourites. Putting him on the A list must have been one of Dave's more inspired choices (and there are so many to choose from). I doubt even Adam got have inspired my granny to vote Tory though.
Jings, the SNP didn't just struggle to get their vote out in this by-election, they seem to have totally misplaced a large number of voters altogether! Is it time for the SNP to realise that they are no longer made of political Teflon in the Holyrood Parliament on the back of their last Scottish election result there in 2011? The Indy Referendum debate is not helping them domestically, especially as it gives the impression that they are totally focussed on their raison d'être rather than the real on the door step day to day bread butter issues that the electorate care about right now.
Here's hoping not too many pundits mistake the UKIP-LD story. The headline is not "UKIP come 4th: Strength in Scotland.", it's "LDs come 5th: Weaker even than UKIP.". UKIP got 3%, this is not a great victory for them, the only event here is the horrible LD score, the UKIP result is not very impressive.
EDIT: And let's all watch as a pretty encouraging Tory score is largely ignored while UKIP are talked up. Maybe not, but I fear so.
The Lib Dem collapse happened in 2011. The SNP - Lab swing seems (from memory) in line with previous by-elections (maybe a little better but nothing to indicate they're on course to retake largest party status). It all seems like a bit of a non event tbh (so the media could pick almost any narrative at random).
@Mick_Pork I still remember how David Cameron had to chivvy Alex Salmond on to get himself organised to call and name the date of the Indy Referendum after the SNP won a majority in Holyrood in this Parliament.
Because as we've established you live in a fantasy world that bears no relations to the one we live in. The date was given when he intended to give it despite the petulant shrieking of those who wanted it done before that.
Westminster certainly got its side of the legalities organised in a timely manner to accommodate the Referendum as soon as possible.
He had no alternative. If you think things would have went well for the incompetent fop and 'better together' if he tried to stop or delay the referendum then you really do live in a parallel universe where Cammie can do no wrong.
But yet again, Cameron's opponents end up with egg on their face every time they try to suggest that he won't do what he actually promised if its within his remit to do so.
He made a Cast Iron Promise on a Lisbon Referendum and as we have established he and Hague were still spinning that it could be held after ratification. So I'm afraid the facts are that he weaseled out of it which is self-evidently why so few of his own MPs simply don't trust him. You can add Cameron's EU flounce and several other tory rebellions after his own backbenchers discovered Cammie's EU posturing was not to be trusted. There will be more in the months to come where you have to make yet more excuses for Cammie so you had better work on your spin.
I well remember the claims of his opponents in the party who claimed he wouldn't deliver on our exit of the EPP group either.
Nobody else does. He made that as the bare minimum to satisfy Eurosceptics while he was doing his second rate Blair impersonation to win the leadership. Then he ordered a three line whip against most of the same tory Eurosceptics for daring to suggest an EU referendum. THAT they remember when he makes his Cast Iron Promises about an EU referendum, and with good cause.
I didn't know who he was, Neil, but have now consulted Wikipedia.
I hope wikipedia did his illustrious career justice, Avery. I used to watch Coronation Street whenever I visited my granny as she was an avid fan and Adam Rickett was one of her favourites. Putting him on the A list must have been one of Dave's more inspired choices (and there are so many to choose from). I doubt even Adam got have inspired my granny to vote Tory though.
Many sad mishaps recounted in wikipedia, but the showshopper was:
On 21 September 2007, Rickitt was arrested and charged with shoplifting a block of cheese, a bottle of HP sauce and a jar of coffee from an Auckland supermarket.
Except it didn't stop the show. He seems to have got regular employment in a New Zealand between 2007-10 before returning to the UK and taking up a job as an appeals manager for the RSPCA.
I think what you are seeing is disgruntled Scottish Lab voters now going home since the SNP surge at the 2011 Scottish elections. Like all the other parties up here, they had tactically voted SNP to give the former Labour and Libdem coalition up here yet another bloody nose politically on the back of the last GE result. Maybe the bigger story developing here right now is that the SNP Indy campaign is in effect turning off many of those 2011 tactical switchers, and the result is they have gone home to their former political parties in these domestic elections?
The Lib Dem collapse happened in 2011. The SNP - Lab swing seems (from memory) in line with previous by-elections. It all seems like a bit of a non event tbh (so the media could pick almost any narrative at random).
I'm afraid granny is with Ena Sharples in the great Rovers Return in the sky but I'm sure she'd be tickled to hear of Adam's bad-boy side. From Tory A list to New Zealand's most wanted - has there ever been such a dramatic downfall?
Jings, the SNP didn't just struggle to get their vote out in this by-election, they seem to have totally misplaced a large number of voters altogether! Is it time for the SNP to realise that they are no longer made of political Teflon in the Holyrood Parliament on the back of their last Scottish election result there in 2011?
You do realise this was the safest of labour seats and the tories were still well behind the SNP, or do you?
*chortle*
Unlike you I know what the last Holyrood polling was and the tories and your chums in scottish labour were not leading even midterm.
Here's hoping not too many pundits mistake the UKIP-LD story. The headline is not "UKIP come 4th: Strength in Scotland.", it's "LDs come 5th: Weaker even than UKIP.". UKIP got 3%, this is not a great victory for them, the only event here is the horrible LD score, the UKIP result is not very impressive.
EDIT: And let's all watch as a pretty encouraging Tory score is largely ignored while UKIP are talked up. Maybe not, but I fear so.
According to ComRes, UKIP are the nation's favourite party, they can accept the odd 4th place. :-)
I'm afraid granny is with Ena Sharples in the great Rovers Return in the sky but I'm sure she'd be tickled to hear of Adam's bad-boy side. From Tory A list to New Zealand's most wanted - has there ever been such a dramatic downfall?
Maybe tim is now undercover in NYC tagging the Mensch and keeping a close eye on her shopping habits.
@MickPork For the second time in a row, your over excited rebuttal service is so lengthy that responding to you via the quote button is not possible. So I will keep my reply short and simple to give you more space to get hysterically over excited when you respond. I don't live in a fantasy world, I live where I have always lived my entire adult life, in Scotland. I just happen to disagree with you politically, hence your constant puerile attempts to insult me in the most transparent way to try to dismiss any criticism of the SNP or its cause for Independence. By the way, how is that SNP surge looking tonight on the back of that resounding by-election result? Its got to hurt that the SNP vote dropped quite dramatically while the Tory vote went up, I really feel your pain.
I'm afraid granny is with Ena Sharples in the great Rovers Return in the sky but I'm sure she'd be tickled to hear of Adam's bad-boy side. From Tory A list to New Zealand's most wanted - has there ever been such a dramatic downfall?
Maybe tim is now undercover in NYC tagging the Mensch and keeping a close eye on her shopping habits.
Imagine his dilemma if he witnessed her shoplifting a Led Zepplin cd!
I think what you are seeing is disgruntled Scottish Lab voters now going home since the SNP surge at the 2011 Scottish elections. Like all the other parties up here, they had tactically voted SNP to give the former Labour and Libdem coalition up here yet another bloody nose politically on the back of the last GE result. Maybe the bigger story developing here right now is that the SNP Indy campaign is in effect turning off many of those 2011 tactical switchers, and the result is they have gone home to their former political parties in these domestic elections?
The Lib Dem collapse happened in 2011. The SNP - Lab swing seems (from memory) in line with previous by-elections. It all seems like a bit of a non event tbh (so the media could pick almost any narrative at random).
Or we could look at the facts from the last big and most credible test of scottish public opinion which was the local elections in 2012, instead of feeble spin from one by-election in a safe labour seat.
The Scottish Conservatives suffered their biggest electoral set back in local government since 1995. In 2012 the Conservatives had lost 20 per cent of their councillors, saw their vote fall to 13.31 per cent and local representation cut dramatically or even wiped out in some areas.
She remains a sweetie but I am beginning to get irritated by her glottal stops and continued unthinking repetition of Miliband mantras on the Sky News Paper Reviews.
She is better as a journalist than PPC. Perhaps she should would be a better PPC if she continued to think of herself as a journalist.
You must know the way those little things that attract in the first flush of desire soon end up being irritants.
If you consider the fact that UKIP just entered the race in this by-election, and yet they still managed to leap frog the Libdems who are a much more well established protest NOTA party in Scotland. UKIP are definitely trying to put down roots in the Scottish political landscape, but its not been deterring the slight up tick in the Conservatives fortunes in by-elections up here which is quite interesting to note.
Don't worry MickPork, you will always have the Holyrood elections in 2011 and the locals in 2012 to hug tight. If only politics stood still in time and let you hang onto past glories to rebut all future political developments. As a Tory, I feel your pain, especially as those results are not a good indicator of future SNP fortunes in a Holyrood election four years away from then. Nite all.
I think what you are seeing is disgruntled Scottish Lab voters now going home since the SNP surge at the 2011 Scottish elections. Like all the other parties up here, they had tactically voted SNP to give the former Labour and Libdem coalition up here yet another bloody nose politically on the back of the last GE result. Maybe the bigger story developing here right now is that the SNP Indy campaign is in effect turning off many of those 2011 tactical switchers, and the result is they have gone home to their former political parties in these domestic elections?
The Lib Dem collapse happened in 2011. The SNP - Lab swing seems (from memory) in line with previous by-elections. It all seems like a bit of a non event tbh (so the media could pick almost any narrative at random).
Or we could look at the facts from the last big and most credible test of scottish public opinion which was the local elections in 2012, instead of feeble spin from one by-election in a safe labour seat.
The Scottish Conservatives suffered their biggest electoral set back in local government since 1995. In 2012 the Conservatives had lost 20 per cent of their councillors, saw their vote fall to 13.31 per cent and local representation cut dramatically or even wiped out in some areas.
I don't live in a fantasy world, I live where I have always lived my entire adult life, in Scotland. I just happen to disagree with you politically, hence your constant puerile attempts to insult me
If you seriously think having to point out the truth when you are found to be factually wrong is insulting to you then the remedy is clear. Stop making easily disproved statements that simply aren't true.
Its got to hurt that the SNP vote dropped quite dramatically while the Tory vote went up, I really feel your pain.
As a Tory, I feel your pain, especially as those results are not a good indicator of future SNP fortunes in a Holyrood election four years away from then.
The swing to SLAB is fairly close to previous by-elections with the SNP getting the same voteshare As 2007. So the SNP vote would still see them forming a government in Holyrood. So I'm afraid you're getting worked up over nothing while celebrating a result which would see the SNP win again at the next Holyrood election. Which again, you comically just didn't seem to realise.
The Holyrood opinion polling also still has the SNP ahead and forming the largest party in midterm. Unlike the tory polling against little Ed where, in case you still don't grasp it yet, you are behind. When Cammie can actually win a majority or keep a government popular during midterm then maybe someone will take your prognostications on public opinion and popularity seriously, but not until then
MickPork, you keep hugging the current Scottish opinion poll figures tight as the by-election defeats locally and at Holyrood keep staking up against the SNP during this Parliament. As I asked earlier, is the SNP's total focus on the Indy Referendum rather than domestic bread and butter issues now really hurting them politically where it matters?
I don't live in a fantasy world, I live where I have always lived my entire adult life, in Scotland. I just happen to disagree with you politically, hence your constant puerile attempts to insult me
If you seriously think having to point out the truth when you are found to be factually wrong is insulting to you then the remedy is clear. Stop making easily disproved statements that simply aren't true.
Its got to hurt that the SNP vote dropped quite dramatically while the Tory vote went up, I really feel your pain.
As a Tory, I feel your pain, especially as those results are not a good indicator of future SNP fortunes in a Holyrood election four years away from then.
The swing to SLAB is fairly close to previous by-elections with the SNP getting the same voteshare As 2007. So the SNP vote would still see them forming a government in Holyrood. So I'm afraid you're getting worked up over nothing while celebrating a result which would see the SNP win again at the next Holyrood election. Which again, you comically just didn't seem to realise.
The Holyrood opinion polling also still has the SNP ahead and forming the largest party in midterm. Unlike the tory polling against little Ed where, in case you still don't grasp it yet, you are behind. When Cammie can actually win a majority or keep a government popular during midterm then maybe someone will take your prognostications on public opinion and popularity seriously, but not until then
MickPork, you keep hugging the current Scottish opinion poll figures tight as the by-election defeats locally and at Holyrood keep staking up against the SNP during this Parliament.
LOL
I didn't think for a second you could be believed when you said. "Nite all."
You still haven't grasped it yet? Unsurprising. Once more then since facts do seem to cause you a great deal of distress.
The by-election result tonight saw the SNP getting the same voteshare as 2007 when they won the Holyrood elections. So even if you were to base everything on this by-election result from one safe labour seat (as you seem intent on doing as you amusingly cheer labour on) you are celebrating a result that would see the SNP winning the next Holyrood elections and forming a government. Has that finally sunk in yet?
I doubt it.
Got any more excuses for Cammie's Cast Iron Lisbon Referendum Pledge since your nonsense about a ratification excuse was so easily disproved? Come on, speak up!
FWIW, the LibDems lost both seats in their town council stronghold in Broxtowe - the Labour-backed Independent won, as did a Tory. Labour didn't stand in this one, following my usual strategy of supporting independents in areas where they're friendly. Hard to read much into it on usual TC by-election turnout, though, except that LibDem council incumbency isn't a bulletproof shield.
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LOL
He even managed to get the establishment onside with his Wittgenstein joke. And no luvvieness about him at all.
One for the A List, Dave!
Lib Dems in 5th place behind UKIP at Cowdenbeath.
'Eurosceptics treated Cameron like a foul smell'
I would imagine taxpayers in Scotland will be treating Saint Alex as a foul smell after he pissed away £468,000 of their money in a week..
'http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10593197/Alex-Salmond-rejects-luxury-hotel-spending-criticism-as-ridiculous-frippery.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2283928/Female-researcher-ran-tears-Lord-Rennards-room-told-packed-hotel-bar-He-fondled-me.html
So I suspect QT is fairly safe.
Russell Kane as PM
Definitely Russell Kane would be an improvement on Rickett.
I would imagine if you actually believe a recylced Torygraph and labour attack and is going to cause the SNPs polling to crash then you are as gullible as any PB tory who still believes Cast Iron Cameron's Referendum Pledges.
You weren't lunatic enough to think the figures are a tenth of the figure given though.
Which was the point.
Just how far have the Lib Dems been annihilated ?
£468,000 for a week's piss up,must be a record for snouts in the trough.
Natalie McGarry (SNP) - 5704
Dave Dempsey (Con) - 1893
Denise Baykal (UKIP) - 610
Jade Holden (LD) - 425
Stuart Graham (Victims) - 187
James Trolland (SDA) - 51
Lab 55.8% (+9.3)
SNP 28.4% (-13.2)
C 9.4% (+2.5)
UKIP 3.0%
L Dem 2.1% (-1.8)
Victims 0.9%
SDA 0.3%
EDIT: And let's all watch as a pretty encouraging Tory score is largely ignored while UKIP are talked up. Maybe not, but I fear so.
Because as we've established you live in a fantasy world that bears no relations to the one we live in. The date was given when he intended to give it despite the petulant shrieking of those who wanted it done before that.
He had no alternative. If you think things would have went well for the incompetent fop and 'better together' if he tried to stop or delay the referendum then you really do live in a parallel universe where Cammie can do no wrong.
He made a Cast Iron Promise on a Lisbon Referendum and as we have established he and Hague were still spinning that it could be held after ratification. So I'm afraid the facts are that he weaseled out of it which is self-evidently why so few of his own MPs simply don't trust him. You can add Cameron's EU flounce and several other tory rebellions after his own backbenchers discovered Cammie's EU posturing was not to be trusted. There will be more in the months to come where you have to make yet more excuses for Cammie so you had better work on your spin.
Nobody else does. He made that as the bare minimum to satisfy Eurosceptics while he was doing his second rate Blair impersonation to win the leadership. Then he ordered a three line whip against most of the same tory Eurosceptics for daring to suggest an EU referendum. THAT they remember when he makes his Cast Iron Promises about an EU referendum, and with good cause. You've inexplicably suddenly lost the ability to read I take it. Very well, once more for the hard of understanding.
On 21 September 2007, Rickitt was arrested and charged with shoplifting a block of cheese, a bottle of HP sauce and a jar of coffee from an Auckland supermarket.
Except it didn't stop the show. He seems to have got regular employment in a New Zealand between 2007-10 before returning to the UK and taking up a job as an appeals manager for the RSPCA.
Best not to tell Granny, I guess.
I'm afraid granny is with Ena Sharples in the great Rovers Return in the sky but I'm sure she'd be tickled to hear of Adam's bad-boy side. From Tory A list to New Zealand's most wanted - has there ever been such a dramatic downfall?
*chortle*
Unlike you I know what the last Holyrood polling was and the tories and your chums in scottish labour were not leading even midterm.
It's a bit late but I hoe you got the Xmas message from Rowenna:
http://rowennadavis.org.uk/
I don't live in a fantasy world, I live where I have always lived my entire adult life, in Scotland. I just happen to disagree with you politically, hence your constant puerile attempts to insult me in the most transparent way to try to dismiss any criticism of the SNP or its cause for Independence. By the way, how is that SNP surge looking tonight on the back of that resounding by-election result? Its got to hurt that the SNP vote dropped quite dramatically while the Tory vote went up, I really feel your pain.
The Scottish Conservatives suffered their biggest electoral set back in local government since 1995. In 2012 the Conservatives had lost 20 per cent of their councillors, saw their vote fall to 13.31 per cent and local representation cut dramatically or even wiped out in some areas.
It didn't stop in 2011. It won't stop now.
She is better as a journalist than PPC. Perhaps she should would be a better PPC if she continued to think of herself as a journalist.
You must know the way those little things that attract in the first flush of desire soon end up being irritants.
I fear a tragedy is being written.
Labour 51
SNP 35
Con 5
Lib Dem 3
UKIP 3
Actual:
Lab 55.8% (+9.3)
SNP 28.4% (-13.2)
C 9.4% (+2.5)
UKIP 3.0%
L Dem 2.1% (-1.8)
Victims 0.9%
SDA 0.3%
I suspect Wythenshawe will be somewhat similiar, Conservatives slightly outperforming expectations, Lib Dems dire.
Obviously there is no SNP there though so UKIP is harder to gauge.
Could we liven the tone by throwing Lord Rennard into the mix and turning it into a farce?
I'll need some advice from Morris Dancer though.
The swing to SLAB is fairly close to previous by-elections with the SNP getting the same voteshare As 2007. So the SNP vote would still see them forming a government in Holyrood. So I'm afraid you're getting worked up over nothing while celebrating a result which would see the SNP win again at the next Holyrood election. Which again, you comically just didn't seem to realise.
The Holyrood opinion polling also still has the SNP ahead and forming the largest party in midterm. Unlike the tory polling against little Ed where, in case you still don't grasp it yet, you are behind. When Cammie can actually win a majority or keep a government popular during midterm then maybe someone will take your prognostications on public opinion and popularity seriously, but not until then
I didn't think for a second you could be believed when you said. "Nite all."
You still haven't grasped it yet? Unsurprising. Once more then since facts do seem to cause you a great deal of distress.
The by-election result tonight saw the SNP getting the same voteshare as 2007 when they won the Holyrood elections. So even if you were to base everything on this by-election result from one safe labour seat (as you seem intent on doing as you amusingly cheer labour on) you are celebrating a result that would see the SNP winning the next Holyrood elections and forming a government. Has that finally sunk in yet?
I doubt it.
Got any more excuses for Cammie's Cast Iron Lisbon Referendum Pledge since your nonsense about a ratification excuse was so easily disproved? Come on, speak up!