Whether it prospers or not is, however, up to us. That's the point of Brexit
It is not prospering
That is the fact of Brexit
If so, we need to fix that. And Brexit gives us the regulatory powers to do that
We probably have to be more adventurous. The EU market is gone for ever. That's a blow, but it can be a boon, in the end
We cut off our own leg.
That's a blow, but it can be a boon, in the end...
Brexit is like having a baby. You lose a lot of blood, and your tits droop. Forever
It was a courageous experiment; sadly, it hasn't paid-off and clearly never will.
Which is like saying, two years after child birth:
"the brat is screaming, we haven't had sex in eight months, I don't fancy your sagging tits anymore, and we haven't been to a party for ever, this is a total failure and will never pay off"
Welcome to: Having a Baby
You've tortured this baby metaphor so much that even Suella Braverman would offer it asylum.
Give it up.
No, I won't, because the late great @SeanT was completely right. This is absolutely the best analogy for Brexit, and the easiest way to understand it
There almost certainly won't be anything that either side can point to as constituting definitive failure or success of Brexit - ever. You had a baby, A life changing event. That's it. Your life is different forever, thereafter, and there are ways it will fuck you up, but also ways it will make you happy. And in 20 years your life will be so different you won't be able to imagine what things might be like if you'd taken that fundamentally alternative path
What we can say is that the really bad shit - literally, shit, as in babycack in your eye - will probably come in the first few years
Whether it prospers or not is, however, up to us. That's the point of Brexit
It is not prospering
That is the fact of Brexit
If so, we need to fix that. And Brexit gives us the regulatory powers to do that
We probably have to be more adventurous. The EU market is gone for ever. That's a blow, but it can be a boon, in the end
You do talk some absolute bollocks.
He's trolling. Taking a perverse pleasure in the wholly justified anger of Remainers about the damage Brexit is doing. He thinks he's laughing at us but in fact is laughing at the country he purports to love. It's unedifying.
Whether it prospers or not is, however, up to us. That's the point of Brexit
It is not prospering
That is the fact of Brexit
If so, we need to fix that. And Brexit gives us the regulatory powers to do that
We probably have to be more adventurous. The EU market is gone for ever. That's a blow, but it can be a boon, in the end
We cut off our own leg.
That's a blow, but it can be a boon, in the end...
Brexit is like having a baby. You lose a lot of blood, and your tits droop. Forever
It was a courageous experiment; sadly, it hasn't paid-off and clearly never will.
It will pay off when we have a competent, purposeful, and patriotic government. We haven't had that combination since Brexit (or frankly before it). And if we abandon hope of getting that government, we're screwed in our out of the EU.
No it was a dumb idea that has made us poorer and more isolated. The government could be run by Socrates and Brexit would still be a shit sandwich.
If you take the emotion that you clearly feel out of this, that's not a tenable argument. Membership of the EU is the exception in Britain's history, not the rule, and most of that time we've done extremely well outside it. As a country, we have excellent resources, geography, and other advantages like language, and saying that we, of all countries, have some sort of quasi-mystical disability that would prevent us being a successful independent country, isn't a logical perspective.
Our economy was doing very badly before we joined the then EEC. We were called the sick man of Europe. That's why we joined. We've put up trade barriers with our major trading partner and we face a united Europe with us on the outside. That is a terrible situation to find ourselves in.
Again, you're a coherent poster offering an incoherent argument, which splices up history like an amnesiac. Our 'sickness' didn't get cured by joining the EEC. We only recovered economically with the Thatcher reforms far later. Our success or failure depends on what we do as a country, and has always done so. We could still be a success within the EU, but there is greater likelihood of that without the limitations inherent in membership.
WTF - Britain's stock market has lost its position as Europe's most-valued, with France taking the top spot
There is a LOT more to The City than the stock market. Commodities, foreign exchange, derivatives, the money market, insurance, bonds, and more.
Measuring financial centres by their stock markets, would be like measuring Microsoft by the sales of Office, and ignoring things like Windows, Xbox, Azure, and all the other things they do.
If I leave this site it will be reduced to @Nigelb, @BartholomewRoberts and @kinabalu, repeating their same tedious tedious Remoaner or Leaver opinions, for the rest of Eternity
Try and be funny, or say something original, anything. Literally fucking anything would do, right now
If I leave this site it will be reduced to @Nigelb, @BartholomewRoberts and @kinabalu, repeating their same tedious tedious Remoaner or Leaver opinions, for the rest of Eternity
Try and be funny, or say something original, anything. Literally fucking anything would do, right now
Does anyone really believe nurses are being thrown out of hotels to put migrants in there instead?
When the black hole in finances appeared from nowhere about three weeks ago it was only £30bn, now it’s widely reported being £60bn - how did it double in three weeks?
I think Sunak and Hunt are bullshitting us with the reasons they want to grab the money. And are beginning to overplay their hand.
Whether it prospers or not is, however, up to us. That's the point of Brexit
It is not prospering
That is the fact of Brexit
If so, we need to fix that. And Brexit gives us the regulatory powers to do that
We probably have to be more adventurous. The EU market is gone for ever. That's a blow, but it can be a boon, in the end
You do talk some absolute bollocks.
He's trolling. Taking a perverse pleasure in the wholly justified anger of Remainers about the damage Brexit is doing. He thinks he's laughing at us but in fact is laughing at the country he purports to love. It's unedifying.
Do you ever say anything interesting or amusing?
I begin to tire of this
I'm pretty happy with that one actually. Surprised at tetchy response. Ah well.
When the black hole in finances appeared from nowhere about three weeks ago it was only £30bn, now it’s widely reported being £60bn - how did it double in three weeks?
The OBR I think. It's all just pathetic mood music for Sunak and Hunt's punishment budget. If they actually try and pull what I think they're planning, they're going to be obliterated before any of the measures even come in. It won't pass the Commons.
Paul Mason @paulmasonnews · 5h I'm out of the running for Sheffield Central. I've had nothing but a warm welcome from voters in the city, but it's clear the majority of party activists want a local candidate. 1/
If I leave this site it will be reduced to @Nigelb, @BartholomewRoberts and @kinabalu, repeating their same tedious tedious Remoaner or Leaver opinions, for the rest of Eternity
Try and be funny, or say something original, anything. Literally fucking anything would do, right now
There was no such thing as The Enlightenment.
It's a random bundling of random things over a random timeframe into something designed to make a certain type of white person feel superior.
It will pay off when we have a competent, purposeful, and patriotic government.
They can start the process of rejoining...
Too late Scott.
We have made our bed and we must lie in it. We had the head of the top table spot, terms which were skillfully negotiated by Thatcher (who incidentally I detested) and we decided that being top dog wasn't good enough for us, so off we went.
We could only ever fully rejoin with deflated influence and quite frankly that's not good enough. This is why you need to forget that pipedream of rejoin and concentrate the sane minds of the Conservative Party on a trade deal that works for us as a nation. Closer ties with Europe needs to be a Conservative manifestation, Labour can't pull it off politically. Perhaps genuine Leaver PM Sunak is the one to lead us from this wilderness.
The upside of Brexit is it delivered the comedy gold premiership of Alexander Johnson.
If I leave this site it will be reduced to @Nigelb, @BartholomewRoberts and @kinabalu, repeating their same tedious tedious Remoaner or Leaver opinions, for the rest of Eternity
Try and be funny, or say something original, anything. Literally fucking anything would do, right now
If I leave this site it will be reduced to @Nigelb, @BartholomewRoberts and @kinabalu, repeating their same tedious tedious Remoaner or Leaver opinions, for the rest of Eternity
Try and be funny, or say something original, anything. Literally fucking anything would do, right now
A man who is tired of pb.com is tired of life.
So it's a relatively dull period. We've had a ridiculous era of excitement in politics, going all the way back to 9/11. A period domestically where Sunak is bedding in is likely to be a bit lacking compared to what has gone before.
I believe I am going to be the first foundational PB-er to leave because of sheer tedium. This is a shame
a good deal of it should be about political betting, politics though? Of which it’s economic fortnight now.
maybe discussing monetary tightness and fiscal drag doesn’t excite you as much as migrant invasions?
In which case, looking at the media and tonight’s papers, not only is the talked up Anglo French agreement signed today getting a bit of indifferent response overall, it’s now taking heavy incoming from the right for all the things it doesn’t do, like return them, patrol beaches etc.
in fact having people in the control room strikes me as a stupid thing for UK government to have done - if things don’t improve UK government can’t blame French side for lack of control their end.
Whether it prospers or not is, however, up to us. That's the point of Brexit
It is not prospering
That is the fact of Brexit
If so, we need to fix that. And Brexit gives us the regulatory powers to do that
We probably have to be more adventurous. The EU market is gone for ever. That's a blow, but it can be a boon, in the end
We cut off our own leg.
That's a blow, but it can be a boon, in the end...
Brexit is like having a baby. You lose a lot of blood, and your tits droop. Forever
It was a courageous experiment; sadly, it hasn't paid-off and clearly never will.
Which is like saying, two years after child birth:
"the brat is screaming, we haven't had sex in eight months, I don't fancy your sagging tits anymore, and we haven't been to a party for ever, this is a total failure and will never pay off"
Whether it prospers or not is, however, up to us. That's the point of Brexit
It is not prospering
That is the fact of Brexit
If so, we need to fix that. And Brexit gives us the regulatory powers to do that
We probably have to be more adventurous. The EU market is gone for ever. That's a blow, but it can be a boon, in the end
We cut off our own leg.
That's a blow, but it can be a boon, in the end...
Brexit is like having a baby. You lose a lot of blood, and your tits droop. Forever
It was a courageous experiment; sadly, it hasn't paid-off and clearly never will.
It will pay off when we have a competent, purposeful, and patriotic government. We haven't had that combination since Brexit (or frankly before it). And if we abandon hope of getting that government, we're screwed in our out of the EU.
If we had a competent and purposeful government, we'd never had shot ourselves in the foot with Brexit.
I believe I am going to be the first foundational PB-er to leave because of sheer tedium. This is a shame
I wish you would because you bore the shit out of me. Everything you say, words and tone, is almost freakishly predictable. The political stuff, the personal stuff, all of it. And so verbose. Just no edit or off button.
Paul Mason @paulmasonnews · 5h I'm out of the running for Sheffield Central. I've had nothing but a warm welcome from voters in the city, but it's clear the majority of party activists want a local candidate. 1/
The voters probably want an MP who's not a f*cking plonker too. As for activists, some of them may have seen Mason coming:
Whether it prospers or not is, however, up to us. That's the point of Brexit
It is not prospering
That is the fact of Brexit
If so, we need to fix that. And Brexit gives us the regulatory powers to do that
We probably have to be more adventurous. The EU market is gone for ever. That's a blow, but it can be a boon, in the end
We cut off our own leg.
That's a blow, but it can be a boon, in the end...
Brexit is like having a baby. You lose a lot of blood, and your tits droop. Forever
It was a courageous experiment; sadly, it hasn't paid-off and clearly never will.
It will pay off when we have a competent, purposeful, and patriotic government. We haven't had that combination since Brexit (or frankly before it). And if we abandon hope of getting that government, we're screwed in our out of the EU.
If we had a competent and purposeful government, we'd never had shot ourselves in the foot with Brexit.
Patriotic is also important, though you missed it out. By patriotic, I don't mean a Government that shoves flagpoles up everywhere, I mean one that tirelessly supports the interests of the country that they were elected or appointed to serve.
But yes, if we had all those things, we would not have needed to leave - we could have made it work. But then we'd never have needed to join either.
I believe I am going to be the first foundational PB-er to leave because of sheer tedium. This is a shame
I wish you would because you bore the shit out of me. Everything you say, words and tone, is almost freakishly predictable. The political stuff, the personal stuff, all of it. And so verbose. Just no edit or off button.
Would it bother you if I meant that?
No. You're a well-meaning idiot, tho innocently unaware of it. So, no
Why do they always build castles at the top of hills
Plays hell with my angina
Very inconsiderate
Bodiam's in a valley, as is Bere. Berkeley is on a river bank. Pevensey, Caernarfon and Beaumaris are on the coast.
Hastings Castle is at the bottom of a cliff. Well, half of it is.
If only Cnut had put a sandcastle on the beach instead of himself perhaps the architects of Hastings would have realised their folly.
I think Cnuts point was he was going to get wet, having mere limited powers.
Yes I know - and people remember that (even if plenty still get it wrong). If he'd included a sandcastle as part of the demonstration perhaps people would have also thought about coastal erosion, not just the limits of mortal power.
When the black hole in finances appeared from nowhere about three weeks ago it was only £30bn, now it’s widely reported being £60bn - how did it double in three weeks?
The OBR I think. It's all just pathetic mood music for Sunak and Hunt's punishment budget. If they actually try and pull what I think they're planning, they're going to be obliterated before any of the measures even come in. It won't pass the Commons.
“ they're going to be obliterated before any of the measures even come in. It won't pass the Commons.”
“Most people once believed these to be crackpot ideas; many still do. But crackpot ideas sometimes turn out to be true," Trump's lawyers argued to a federal appeals court
Innovative to (attempt to) make admitting your ideas are crackpot into a strength.
Whether it prospers or not is, however, up to us. That's the point of Brexit
It is not prospering
That is the fact of Brexit
If so, we need to fix that. And Brexit gives us the regulatory powers to do that
We probably have to be more adventurous. The EU market is gone for ever. That's a blow, but it can be a boon, in the end
We cut off our own leg.
That's a blow, but it can be a boon, in the end...
Brexit is like having a baby. You lose a lot of blood, and your tits droop. Forever
It was a courageous experiment; sadly, it hasn't paid-off and clearly never will.
It will pay off when we have a competent, purposeful, and patriotic government. We haven't had that combination since Brexit (or frankly before it). And if we abandon hope of getting that government, we're screwed in our out of the EU.
If we had a competent and purposeful government, we'd never had shot ourselves in the foot with Brexit.
Patriotic is also important, though you missed it out. By patriotic, I don't mean a Government that shoves flagpoles up everywhere, I mean one that tirelessly supports the interests of the country that they were elected or appointed to serve.
But yes, if we had all those things, we would not have needed to leave - we could have made it work. But then we'd never have needed to join either.
I skipped patriotic because I doubt we have ever had an 'unpatriotic' government. I credit the current shambles as being patriotic. Totally f*cking useless but patriotic nevertheless.
If I leave this site it will be reduced to @Nigelb, @BartholomewRoberts and @kinabalu, repeating their same tedious tedious Remoaner or Leaver opinions, for the rest of Eternity
Try and be funny, or say something original, anything. Literally fucking anything would do, right now
I believe I am going to be the first foundational PB-er to leave because of sheer tedium. This is a shame
Your flounces never last. You haven't got it in you.
This is the first flounce that will be born of Jesus F Christ This Place is Dull, rather than: Fuck off I'm right, or How Dare You Ban Me, etc
PB has become boring. I don't like to say that, but I fear it has. Too many good commenters have left, and the replacements are tedious and unfunny. The accountants have won
I believe I am going to be the first foundational PB-er to leave because of sheer tedium. This is a shame
I wish you would because you bore the shit out of me. Everything you say, words and tone, is almost freakishly predictable. The political stuff, the personal stuff, all of it. And so verbose. Just no edit or off button.
Would it bother you if I meant that?
No. You're a well-meaning idiot, tho innocently unaware of it. So, no
When the black hole in finances appeared from nowhere about three weeks ago it was only £30bn, now it’s widely reported being £60bn - how did it double in three weeks?
The OBR I think. It's all just pathetic mood music for Sunak and Hunt's punishment budget. If they actually try and pull what I think they're planning, they're going to be obliterated before any of the measures even come in. It won't pass the Commons.
“ they're going to be obliterated before any of the measures even come in. It won't pass the Commons.”
That’s a huge call. 😯
Not really, because I don't have any money on it, and I don't know what's even in the budget. But if it's a punishment budget, I don't see the rebellious ranks of Tory MP's committing electoral suicide just to get it through.
Whether it prospers or not is, however, up to us. That's the point of Brexit
It is not prospering
That is the fact of Brexit
If so, we need to fix that. And Brexit gives us the regulatory powers to do that
We probably have to be more adventurous. The EU market is gone for ever. That's a blow, but it can be a boon, in the end
We cut off our own leg.
That's a blow, but it can be a boon, in the end...
Brexit is like having a baby. You lose a lot of blood, and your tits droop. Forever
It was a courageous experiment; sadly, it hasn't paid-off and clearly never will.
It will pay off when we have a competent, purposeful, and patriotic government. We haven't had that combination since Brexit (or frankly before it). And if we abandon hope of getting that government, we're screwed in our out of the EU.
If we had a competent and purposeful government, we'd never had shot ourselves in the foot with Brexit.
Patriotic is also important, though you missed it out. By patriotic, I don't mean a Government that shoves flagpoles up everywhere, I mean one that tirelessly supports the interests of the country that they were elected or appointed to serve.
But yes, if we had all those things, we would not have needed to leave - we could have made it work. But then we'd never have needed to join either.
I skipped patriotic because I doubt we have ever had an 'unpatriotic' government. I credit the current shambles as being patriotic. Totally f*cking useless but patriotic nevertheless.
That's in the most debased sense of the word then.
If I leave this site it will be reduced to @Nigelb, @BartholomewRoberts and @kinabalu, repeating their same tedious tedious Remoaner or Leaver opinions, for the rest of Eternity
Try and be funny, or say something original, anything. Literally fucking anything would do, right now
A man who is tired of pb.com is tired of life.
So it's a relatively dull period. We've had a ridiculous era of excitement in politics, going all the way back to 9/11. A period domestically where Sunak is bedding in is likely to be a bit lacking compared to what has gone before.
“ A period domestically where Sunak is bedding in is likely to be a bit lacking compared to what has gone before.‘
Union Militancy is about to bring the country to a standstill, wrecking everybody’s Christmas. The international money markets are waiting for the OBR and budget before maybe launching another attack on our country. CIA & KGB are meeting right now to try and prevent Kremlin unleashing a “punishment” weapon on Ukraine. Lucky has just predicted Sunak’s budget won’t even pass the commons. This could be one of the more remarkable winters any of us have lived through. The opposite on dull not in any good way 😕
As far as I can tell California has counted fuck all votes over the last 24 hours.
Maybe they've all gone surfing instead.
My guess is most counties are not scheduled to release more results until later in the afternoon-evening local time, which is now 12.30pm Pacific.
That's what's happening today in Washington State today, in counties that did NOT hit bottom last week or over the weekend.
For example, based on what I'm seeing on their webcams, King Co Elections is currently busting their hump processing and scanning ballots prior to scheduled 4pm Pacific (12 midnight UK) report.
I literally have no idea what that means. It must be a fancy American term for fucking about.
Can you please tell your compatriots to stop taking fannying around to a new art form and count the fucking votes?
"busting a hump" = working hard
Sorry, but speedy clearing of your election bets is NOT a priority.
Though why California IS so sloooooow is a puzzle. They have valid votes still arriving BUT so do OR and WA.
Could there not just be a cut-off point that votes have to be in with enough time to count them at the same time that everyone else's votes get counted? The system is farcical. When Nigel Farage stood in Thanet South, some boxes of votes went missing for a period of mere hours, leading to accusations that the vote was rigged to keep him out of the Commons. That was a few hours. Your system by contrast is so open to abuse that even I could probably rig it if I felt so inclined.
A quite google shows this from California, which is ridiculously generous if true.
How long after Election Day will ballots still count if postmarked by Election Day?
California has extended the time that vote-by-mail ballots can arrive to county elections offices for this election. Vote-by-mail ballots postmarked on or before Election Day can arrive up to 17 days after Election Day and be counted.
Much more comfortable if votes had to arrive on election day, sorry latecomers, or if things were at least standardised, but that's a federation of states for you.
Even longer period in WA State for valid ballots to arrive & be counted, including cures for challenged ballots - up to end of business (at county election offices) on November 28 for this election.
Has been that way in WA ever since I've lived her, now over thirty years. Fine with us, except for election deniers - IF they happen to fall behind in later counts.
IF they are winning, then it's OK for ballots to be valid IF postmarked by EDay and otherwise kosher.
I believe I am going to be the first foundational PB-er to leave because of sheer tedium. This is a shame
I wish you would because you bore the shit out of me. Everything you say, words and tone, is almost freakishly predictable. The political stuff, the personal stuff, all of it. And so verbose. Just no edit or off button.
Would it bother you if I meant that?
No. You're a well-meaning idiot, tho innocently unaware of it. So, no
It would! You're lying now.
But do you think I do mean it?
Mate, I REALLLY don't care. That is the sadness
Someone compared you to @tim the other day. Unfortunately, you are not @tim. He was a bitterly funny opponent. Nasty, acidic, witty, and he could genuinely cut me down with a quip. You can't
I liked jousting with him. Too many like him have gone, and I sincerely fear I am about to join them
Perhaps this is a natural ageing process with online forums. An early and intriguing group develops a healthy dynamic of disagreement, but over time the more interesting and original members either fall foul of the (increasingly Woke) mods, or they have such terrible rows they cannot continue (Mr A. Meeks) or they get doxxed because they are so annoying to others (@tim) or they just get bored when all the other funny commenters quit, leaving us with @Nigelb and you
I believe I am going to be the first foundational PB-er to leave because of sheer tedium. This is a shame
Your flounces never last. You haven't got it in you.
This is the first flounce that will be born of Jesus F Christ This Place is Dull, rather than: Fuck off I'm right, or How Dare You Ban Me, etc
PB has become boring. I don't like to say that, but I fear it has. Too many good commenters have left, and the replacements are tedious and unfunny. The accountants have won
Well, best wishes to you. One cannot change one's nature.
Whether it prospers or not is, however, up to us. That's the point of Brexit
It is not prospering
That is the fact of Brexit
If so, we need to fix that. And Brexit gives us the regulatory powers to do that
We probably have to be more adventurous. The EU market is gone for ever. That's a blow, but it can be a boon, in the end
We cut off our own leg.
That's a blow, but it can be a boon, in the end...
Brexit is like having a baby. You lose a lot of blood, and your tits droop. Forever
It was a courageous experiment; sadly, it hasn't paid-off and clearly never will.
Which is like saying, two years after child birth:
"the brat is screaming, we haven't had sex in eight months, I don't fancy your sagging tits anymore, and we haven't been to a party for ever, this is a total failure and will never pay off"
"And the Albanians are taking back control!"
The point is often made by rightwing immigration haters that many illegals from countries such as Albania prefer to come to Britain than to hang around in Italy, France, etc. "Why do you think that is?" they ask sneeringly. "Could it be because they're all given free TV sets with enormous screens and guarantees of copious amounts of welfare benefits for the rest of their lives, unlike in Frogland where they get chased from pillar to post by gendarmes and have to dodge petrol bombs thrown by National Rally types who actually care about their motherland?"
Of course it could also be because gangsters who will employ them (as forced labour or otherwise) have been allowed to become established in the British underground economy.
When the black hole in finances appeared from nowhere about three weeks ago it was only £30bn, now it’s widely reported being £60bn - how did it double in three weeks?
The OBR I think. It's all just pathetic mood music for Sunak and Hunt's punishment budget. If they actually try and pull what I think they're planning, they're going to be obliterated before any of the measures even come in. It won't pass the Commons.
“ they're going to be obliterated before any of the measures even come in. It won't pass the Commons.”
That’s a huge call. 😯
Not really, because I don't have any money on it, and I don't know what's even in the budget. But if it's a punishment budget, I don't see the rebellious ranks of Tory MP's committing electoral suicide just to get it through.
Suspect It will be hard campaigning for re election and canvassing on adding tax rises to the highest tax for eighty years on all households they knock on
SeaShantyIrish2: don't you think speedy counting of votes is important from other points of view (other than betting)?
Speedy is fine, but does NOT have to be at speed of light.
In my humble experience, people who moan about how long it takes to count elections are (from most tolerable to least)
> bettors > candidates > media > consultants > people who hate democracy in the first place and will use any excuse to vilify it.
IF the process is free and fair, with reasonable safeguards to keep it that way, then what's the big problem?
Note that in the US, the only officeholders who take office immediately upon being declared (by election authorities NOT media or bookies) are winners of special elections, filling un-expired terms.
Everybody else has to wait weeks or months anyway before they officially take office.
Why do they always build castles at the top of hills
Plays hell with my angina
Very inconsiderate
Bodiam's in a valley, as is Bere. Berkeley is on a river bank. Pevensey, Caernarfon and Beaumaris are on the coast.
Hastings Castle is at the bottom of a cliff. Well, half of it is.
If only Cnut had put a sandcastle on the beach instead of himself perhaps the architects of Hastings would have realised their folly.
I think Cnuts point was he was going to get wet, having mere limited powers.
Yes I know - and people remember that (even if plenty still get it wrong). If he'd included a sandcastle as part of the demonstration perhaps people would have also thought about coastal erosion, not just the limits of mortal power.
What a wonderful idea for an add campaign.
Have you thought bartering the idea to The Green Party for a sack of Lentils?
I’ve got a good friend now in the Green Party and went to their conference.
I believe I am going to be the first foundational PB-er to leave because of sheer tedium. This is a shame
I wish you would because you bore the shit out of me. Everything you say, words and tone, is almost freakishly predictable. The political stuff, the personal stuff, all of it. And so verbose. Just no edit or off button.
Would it bother you if I meant that?
No. You're a well-meaning idiot, tho innocently unaware of it. So, no
It would! You're lying now.
But do you think I do mean it?
Mate, I REALLLY don't care. That is the sadness
Someone compared you to @tim the other day. Unfortunately, you are not @tim. He was a bitterly funny opponent. Nasty, acidic, witty, and he could genuinely cut me down with a quip. You can't
I liked jousting with him. Too many like him have gone, and I sincerely fear I am about to join them
Perhaps this is a natural ageing process with online forums. An early and intriguing group develops a healthy dynamic of disagreement, but over time the more interesting and original members either fall foul of the (increasingly Woke) mods, or they have such terrible rows they cannot continue (Mr A. Meeks) or they get doxxed because they are so annoying to others (@tim) or they just get bored when all the other funny commenters quit, leaving us with @Nigelb and you
Meh
I have some empathy with that view (though Kin and Nige are good uns) - much of the posting is cliche ridden bilge, repeats of ancient jokes, or the obsessive ramblings of continuity Corbynistas.
But, I’m not sure any of this is a new development.
(Agree that @tim should return, but I fear that bird flew long ago)
I believe I am going to be the first foundational PB-er to leave because of sheer tedium. This is a shame
I wish you would because you bore the shit out of me. Everything you say, words and tone, is almost freakishly predictable. The political stuff, the personal stuff, all of it. And so verbose. Just no edit or off button.
Would it bother you if I meant that?
No. You're a well-meaning idiot, tho innocently unaware of it. So, no
It would! You're lying now.
But do you think I do mean it?
Mate, I REALLLY don't care. That is the sadness.
Someone compared you to @tim the other day. Unfortunately, you are not @tim. He was a bitterly funny opponent. Nasty, acidic, witty, and he could genuinely cut me down with a quip. You can't.
I liked jousting with him. Too many like him have gone, and I sincerely fear I am about to join them.
Perhaps this is a natural ageing process with online forums. An early and intriguing group develops a healthy dynamic of disagreement, but over time the more interesting and original members either fall foul of the (increasingly Woke) mods, or they have such terrible rows they cannot continue (Mr A. Meeks) or they get doxxed because they are so annoying to others (@tim) or they just get bored when all the other funny commenters quit, leaving us with @Nigelb and you.
I believe I am going to be the first foundational PB-er to leave because of sheer tedium. This is a shame
I wish you would because you bore the shit out of me. Everything you say, words and tone, is almost freakishly predictable. The political stuff, the personal stuff, all of it. And so verbose. Just no edit or off button.
Would it bother you if I meant that?
No. You're a well-meaning idiot, tho innocently unaware of it. So, no
It would! You're lying now.
But do you think I do mean it?
Mate, I REALLLY don't care. That is the sadness
Someone compared you to @tim the other day. Unfortunately, you are not @tim. He was a bitterly funny opponent. Nasty, acidic, witty, and he could genuinely cut me down with a quip. You can't
I liked jousting with him. Too many like him have gone, and I sincerely fear I am about to join them
Perhaps this is a natural ageing process with online forums. An early and intriguing group develops a healthy dynamic of disagreement, but over time the more interesting and original members either fall foul of the (increasingly Woke) mods, or they have such terrible rows they cannot continue (Mr A. Meeks) or they get doxxed because they are so annoying to others (@tim) or they just get bored when all the other funny commenters quit, leaving us with @Nigelb and you
Meh
I have some empathy with that view (though Kin and Nige are good uns) - much of the posting is cliche ridden bilge, repeats of ancient jokes, or the obsessive ramblings of continuity Corbynistas.
But, I’m not sure any of this is a new development.
(Agree that @tim should return, but I fear that bird flew long ago)
Not sure what you guys are looking for to relieve the tedium.
I believe I am going to be the first foundational PB-er to leave because of sheer tedium. This is a shame
I wish you would because you bore the shit out of me. Everything you say, words and tone, is almost freakishly predictable. The political stuff, the personal stuff, all of it. And so verbose. Just no edit or off button.
Would it bother you if I meant that?
No. You're a well-meaning idiot, tho innocently unaware of it. So, no
It would! You're lying now.
But do you think I do mean it?
Mate, I REALLLY don't care. That is the sadness
Someone compared you to @tim the other day. Unfortunately, you are not @tim. He was a bitterly funny opponent. Nasty, acidic, witty, and he could genuinely cut me down with a quip. You can't
I liked jousting with him. Too many like him have gone, and I sincerely fear I am about to join them
Perhaps this is a natural ageing process with online forums. An early and intriguing group develops a healthy dynamic of disagreement, but over time the more interesting and original members either fall foul of the (increasingly Woke) mods, or they have such terrible rows they cannot continue (Mr A. Meeks) or they get doxxed because they are so annoying to others (@tim) or they just get bored when all the other funny commenters quit, leaving us with @Nigelb and you
Meh
I have some empathy with that view (though Kin and Nige are good uns) - much of the posting is cliche ridden bilge, repeats of ancient jokes, or the obsessive ramblings of continuity Corbynistas.
But, I’m not sure any of this is a new development.
(Agree that @tim should return, but I fear that bird flew long ago)
Not sure what you guys are looking for to relieve
the tedium.
Derek And Clive, 'This Bloke Came Up to Me'?
You fecking c**** etc etc
Well earlier today JosiasJessop told me to “fuck off” - which was an uncharacteristically cliche-free post from him.
Not certain what France's luxury goods stocks going up thanks to the situation in China has to do with the price of fish.
But the City isn't the Stock Market and the FTSE has had its problems for a very long time.
Recently when comparing house price changes I posted this:
At the end of 1999 the FTSE 100 was 6930 and the average house price in England was £75k Today [26 October] the FTSE 100 is 6996 and according to the ONS the average house price reached £292k in July.
This isn't Brexit, this is the UK's economy being greatly unbalanced which has continued for decades now.
And yet my quoted portfolio has compounded at double digit rates since 1999… the overall index price is meaningless
When the black hole in finances appeared from nowhere about three weeks ago it was only £30bn, now it’s widely reported being £60bn - how did it double in three weeks?
The OBR I think. It's all just pathetic mood music for Sunak and Hunt's punishment budget. If they actually try and pull what I think they're planning, they're going to be obliterated before any of the measures even come in. It won't pass the Commons.
“ they're going to be obliterated before any of the measures even come in. It won't pass the Commons.”
That’s a huge call. 😯
Not really, because I don't have any money on it, and I don't know what's even in the budget. But if it's a punishment budget, I don't see the rebellious ranks of Tory MP's committing electoral suicide just to get it through.
Well, the government falls if they don't. They'll vote if through for another couple of years of suckling at the tit and hope something turns up to revive tory fortunes.
Whether it prospers or not is, however, up to us. That's the point of Brexit
It is not prospering
That is the fact of Brexit
If so, we need to fix that. And Brexit gives us the regulatory powers to do that
We probably have to be more adventurous. The EU market is gone for ever. That's a blow, but it can be a boon, in the end
We cut off our own leg.
That's a blow, but it can be a boon, in the end...
Brexit is like having a baby. You lose a lot of blood, and your tits droop. Forever
It was a courageous experiment; sadly, it hasn't paid-off and clearly never will.
Which is like saying, two years after child birth:
"the brat is screaming, we haven't had sex in eight months, I don't fancy your sagging tits anymore, and we haven't been to a party for ever, this is a total failure and will never pay off"
"And the Albanians are taking back control!"
The point is often made by rightwing immigration haters that many illegals from countries such as Albania prefer to come to Britain than to hang around in Italy, France, etc. "Why do you think that is?" they ask sneeringly. "Could it be because they're all given free TV sets with enormous screens and guarantees of copious amounts of welfare benefits for the rest of their lives, unlike in Frogland where they get chased from pillar to post by gendarmes and have to dodge petrol bombs thrown by National Rally types who actually care about their motherland?"
Of course it could also be because gangsters who will employ them (as forced labour or otherwise) have been allowed to become established in the British underground economy.
Do you think we can fix that without introducing ID cards and, if not, is it a price worth paying?
I believe I am going to be the first foundational PB-er to leave because of sheer tedium. This is a shame
Your flounces never last. You haven't got it in you.
This is the first flounce that will be born of Jesus F Christ This Place is Dull, rather than: Fuck off I'm right, or How Dare You Ban Me, etc
PB has become boring. I don't like to say that, but I fear it has. Too many good commenters have left, and the replacements are tedious and unfunny. The accountants have won
It has periods of great interest, when things are happening.
I believe I am going to be the first foundational PB-er to leave because of sheer tedium. This is a shame
I wish you would because you bore the shit out of me. Everything you say, words and tone, is almost freakishly predictable. The political stuff, the personal stuff, all of it. And so verbose. Just no edit or off button.
Would it bother you if I meant that?
No. You're a well-meaning idiot, tho innocently unaware of it. So, no
It would! You're lying now.
But do you think I do mean it?
Mate, I REALLLY don't care. That is the sadness
Someone compared you to @tim the other day. Unfortunately, you are not @tim. He was a bitterly funny opponent. Nasty, acidic, witty, and he could genuinely cut me down with a quip. You can't
I liked jousting with him. Too many like him have gone, and I sincerely fear I am about to join them
Perhaps this is a natural ageing process with online forums. An early and intriguing group develops a healthy dynamic of disagreement, but over time the more interesting and original members either fall foul of the (increasingly Woke) mods, or they have such terrible rows they cannot continue (Mr A. Meeks) or they get doxxed because they are so annoying to others (@tim) or they just get bored when all the other funny commenters quit, leaving us with @Nigelb and you
Meh
I have some empathy with that view (though Kin and Nige are good uns) - much of the posting is cliche ridden bilge, repeats of ancient jokes, or the obsessive ramblings of continuity Corbynistas.
But, I’m not sure any of this is a new development.
(Agree that @tim should return, but I fear that bird flew long ago)
I believe I am going to be the first foundational PB-er to leave because of sheer tedium. This is a shame
I wish you would because you bore the shit out of me. Everything you say, words and tone, is almost freakishly predictable. The political stuff, the personal stuff, all of it. And so verbose. Just no edit or off button.
Would it bother you if I meant that?
No. You're a well-meaning idiot, tho innocently unaware of it. So, no
It would! You're lying now.
But do you think I do mean it?
Mate, I REALLLY don't care. That is the sadness
Someone compared you to @tim the other day. Unfortunately, you are not @tim. He was a bitterly funny opponent. Nasty, acidic, witty, and he could genuinely cut me down with a quip. You can't
I liked jousting with him. Too many like him have gone, and I sincerely fear I am about to join them
Perhaps this is a natural ageing process with online forums. An early and intriguing group develops a healthy dynamic of disagreement, but over time the more interesting and original members either fall foul of the (increasingly Woke) mods, or they have such terrible rows they cannot continue (Mr A. Meeks) or they get doxxed because they are so annoying to others (@tim) or they just get bored when all the other funny commenters quit, leaving us with @Nigelb and you
Meh
I have some empathy with that view (though Kin and Nige are good uns) - much of the posting is cliche ridden bilge, repeats of ancient jokes, or the obsessive ramblings of continuity Corbynistas.
But, I’m not sure any of this is a new development.
(Agree that @tim should return, but I fear that bird flew long ago)
Not sure what you guys are looking for to relieve the tedium.
I believe I am going to be the first foundational PB-er to leave because of sheer tedium. This is a shame
I wish you would because you bore the shit out of me. Everything you say, words and tone, is almost freakishly predictable. The political stuff, the personal stuff, all of it. And so verbose. Just no edit or off button.
Would it bother you if I meant that?
No. You're a well-meaning idiot, tho innocently unaware of it. So, no
It would! You're lying now.
But do you think I do mean it?
Mate, I REALLLY don't care. That is the sadness
Someone compared you to @tim the other day. Unfortunately, you are not @tim. He was a bitterly funny opponent. Nasty, acidic, witty, and he could genuinely cut me down with a quip. You can't
I liked jousting with him. Too many like him have gone, and I sincerely fear I am about to join them
Perhaps this is a natural ageing process with online forums. An early and intriguing group develops a healthy dynamic of disagreement, but over time the more interesting and original members either fall foul of the (increasingly Woke) mods, or they have such terrible rows they cannot continue (Mr A. Meeks) or they get doxxed because they are so annoying to others (@tim) or they just get bored when all the other funny commenters quit, leaving us with @Nigelb and you
Meh
I have some empathy with that view (though Kin and Nige are good uns) - much of the posting is cliche ridden bilge, repeats of ancient jokes, or the obsessive ramblings of continuity Corbynistas.
But, I’m not sure any of this is a new development.
(Agree that @tim should return, but I fear that bird flew long ago)
Today's results from these three WA counties, will likely decide the outcome in three legislative races that right now are too close to call.
Will NOT determine control of the Legislature - Democrats have majorities in both houses already - but still important. Especially for the constituents of the eventual winners.
All three counties scheduled to release updated results within a couple hours. And am guessing they will all come close to hitting bottom, leaving just very late ballots and cures to count.
Why does it take so long to count the votes in Maricopa County? Because most voters there like the convenience of mailing their ballots, and there are a lot of voters in the county:
"It has been offered for decades, and it is popular. In Maricopa County, about 80 percent of voters asked for early ballots that can be mailed, put in secure drop boxes, or handed in at polling locations on Election Day. Given that this is the fourth-largest county in the nation by population, that adds up to a lot of ballots.
When ballots arrive downtown, the work begins in a process that includes matching signatures on envelopes with signature samples on file. The ballots zip over to bipartisan teams that remove them from envelopes and then send them to tabulation. Video cameras transmit feeds that voters can watch online. In recent years, Trump, other Republican candidates and activists attacked the early voting system and instructed supporters to vote in person or to drop off their ballots on Election Day." source$: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/11/12/arizona-election-vote-count-maricopa-county/
And because their ballots typically have so many choices on them, besides the national election.
(If impatient bettors elsewhere really need to know the results to pay their bills, or whatever, then perhaps in the future they should avoid bets that take some time to pay off.)
The close House election brings up an interesting possibility, especially for those who know what happened in 1930:
"While the Democrats gained 52 seats in the 1930 midterm elections, Republicans retained a narrow one-seat majority of 218 seats after the polls closed versus the Democrats' 216 seats; however, during the 13 weeks between these elections and the start of the 72nd Congress, 14 members-elect died (including incumbent Speaker Nicholas Longworth), and the Democrats gained an additional three seats in the special elections called to fill these vacancies, thus gaining control of the House (they held a 219–212 advantage over the Republicans when the new Congress convened)." source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1930_United_States_House_of_Representatives_elections
With 435 members, many of them elderly, it is nearly certain that there will be special elections in the next two years, though almsot certainly not as many, or as soon, as after the 1930 election.
Quick update from the AZ Governor race: we've had ballot drops from Yuma and Apache counties. Both were mildly positive for Hobbs, extending her lead marginally.
It is worth noting that Lake leads in Yuma (56-44), and will have been hoping late ballots would have been more favourable. Still, it's fairly small numbers (c. 4,500 votes).
In an hour we have Maricopa. It's a big drop, but it's also the last big drop of the AZ Governor's race. If Lake is not within 5,000 votes or so of Hobbs after this drop, then (barring recount craziness), then it's all over.
Right now, Lake is 29,000 votes behind, and there's about 80,000 coming this evening. After that, there's some provisionals and ballots waiting for curing, but those probably favour Hobbs over Lake - albeit marginally.
Lake needs a big win - c. 52,500 vs 27,500 - just to stay in the race.
Why does it take so long to count the votes in Maricopa County? Because most voters there like the convenience of mailing their ballots, and there are a lot of voters in the county:
"It has been offered for decades, and it is popular. In Maricopa County, about 80 percent of voters asked for early ballots that can be mailed, put in secure drop boxes, or handed in at polling locations on Election Day. Given that this is the fourth-largest county in the nation by population, that adds up to a lot of ballots.
When ballots arrive downtown, the work begins in a process that includes matching signatures on envelopes with signature samples on file. The ballots zip over to bipartisan teams that remove them from envelopes and then send them to tabulation. Video cameras transmit feeds that voters can watch online. In recent years, Trump, other Republican candidates and activists attacked the early voting system and instructed supporters to vote in person or to drop off their ballots on Election Day." source$: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/11/12/arizona-election-vote-count-maricopa-county/
And because their ballots typically have so many choices on them, besides the national election.
(If impatient bettors elsewhere really need to know the results to pay their bills, or whatever, then perhaps in the future they should avoid bets that take some time to pay off.)
Postal voting has become very popular in the UK recently, but all ballots have to be in by 10pm on election day. Therefore they don't delay the counting of votes.
Why does it take so long to count the votes in Maricopa County? Because most voters there like the convenience of mailing their ballots, and there are a lot of voters in the county:
"It has been offered for decades, and it is popular. In Maricopa County, about 80 percent of voters asked for early ballots that can be mailed, put in secure drop boxes, or handed in at polling locations on Election Day. Given that this is the fourth-largest county in the nation by population, that adds up to a lot of ballots.
When ballots arrive downtown, the work begins in a process that includes matching signatures on envelopes with signature samples on file. The ballots zip over to bipartisan teams that remove them from envelopes and then send them to tabulation. Video cameras transmit feeds that voters can watch online. In recent years, Trump, other Republican candidates and activists attacked the early voting system and instructed supporters to vote in person or to drop off their ballots on Election Day." source$: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/11/12/arizona-election-vote-count-maricopa-county/
And because their ballots typically have so many choices on them, besides the national election.
(If impatient bettors elsewhere really need to know the results to pay their bills, or whatever, then perhaps in the future they should avoid bets that take some time to pay off.)
Postal voting has become very popular in the UK recently, but all ballots have to be in by 10pm on election day. Therefore they don't delay the counting of votes.
The ballots that are being counted today are the ones that were dropped off in secure boxes on election day!
The fundamental problem is that all elections are counted simultaneously, and there will probably be 20 contests, ranging from ballot propositions, to judges, to city councilmen, to Mayors, Secretary of State, State and National Respresentatives and Senators, and the Governor.
Phew.
If the US had fewer elected roles, it would be a hell of a lot easier.
In WA State, three of the close legislative race I've been closely watching, have been decided - for the Democrats. This in Whatcom County on Canadian border, in a district that's boundaries hardly changed at all due to redistricting. Dems previously held two state house seats, while Reps retained state senate very narrowly in 2020. So net gain of +1 here districtwide AND in state house.
Why does it take so long to count the votes in Maricopa County? Because most voters there like the convenience of mailing their ballots, and there are a lot of voters in the county:
"It has been offered for decades, and it is popular. In Maricopa County, about 80 percent of voters asked for early ballots that can be mailed, put in secure drop boxes, or handed in at polling locations on Election Day. Given that this is the fourth-largest county in the nation by population, that adds up to a lot of ballots.
When ballots arrive downtown, the work begins in a process that includes matching signatures on envelopes with signature samples on file. The ballots zip over to bipartisan teams that remove them from envelopes and then send them to tabulation. Video cameras transmit feeds that voters can watch online. In recent years, Trump, other Republican candidates and activists attacked the early voting system and instructed supporters to vote in person or to drop off their ballots on Election Day." source$: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/11/12/arizona-election-vote-count-maricopa-county/
And because their ballots typically have so many choices on them, besides the national election.
(If impatient bettors elsewhere really need to know the results to pay their bills, or whatever, then perhaps in the future they should avoid bets that take some time to pay off.)
Postal voting has become very popular in the UK recently, but all ballots have to be in by 10pm on election day. Therefore they don't delay the counting of votes.
The ballots that are being counted today are the ones that were dropped off in secure boxes on election day!
The fundamental problem is that all elections are counted simultaneously, and there will probably be 20 contests, ranging from ballot propositions, to judges, to city councilmen, to Mayors, Secretary of State, State and National Respresentatives and Senators, and the Governor.
Phew.
If the US had fewer elected roles, it would be a hell of a lot easier.
Plus the US's stupid gerrymandering, so that you need to make sure that ballots are for the right congressional district.
I believe I am going to be the first foundational PB-er to leave because of sheer tedium. This is a shame
Your flounces never last. You haven't got it in you.
This is the first flounce that will be born of Jesus F Christ This Place is Dull, rather than: Fuck off I'm right, or How Dare You Ban Me, etc
PB has become boring. I don't like to say that, but I fear it has. Too many good commenters have left, and the replacements are tedious and unfunny. The accountants have won
Too many good Seans have left, and the replacements are tedious and unfunny.
Comments
I begin to tire of this
Measuring financial centres by their stock markets, would be like measuring Microsoft by the sales of Office, and ignoring things like Windows, Xbox, Azure, and all the other things they do.
This is just fucking dull
If I leave this site it will be reduced to @Nigelb, @BartholomewRoberts and @kinabalu, repeating their same tedious tedious Remoaner or Leaver opinions, for the rest of Eternity
Try and be funny, or say something original, anything. Literally fucking anything would do, right now
Brexit.
Going to bed now.
I think Sunak and Hunt are bullshitting us with the reasons they want to grab the money. And are beginning to overplay their hand.
@paulmasonnews
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5h
I'm out of the running for Sheffield Central. I've had nothing but a warm welcome from voters in the city, but it's clear the majority of party activists want a local candidate. 1/
It's a random bundling of random things over a random timeframe into something designed to make a certain type of white person feel superior.
We have made our bed and we must lie in it. We had the head of the top table spot, terms which were skillfully negotiated by Thatcher (who incidentally I detested) and we decided that being top dog wasn't good enough for us, so off we went.
We could only ever fully rejoin with deflated influence and quite frankly that's not good enough. This is why you need to forget that pipedream of rejoin and concentrate the sane minds of the Conservative Party on a trade deal that works for us as a nation. Closer ties with Europe needs to be a Conservative manifestation, Labour can't pull it off politically. Perhaps genuine Leaver PM Sunak is the one to lead us from this wilderness.
The upside of Brexit is it delivered the comedy gold premiership of Alexander Johnson.
^ The crowds in Kherson! It looks like VE day in Trafalgar Square! There must be half a dozen OAPs at least chanting for the foreign film crew!
So it's a relatively dull period. We've had a ridiculous era of excitement in politics, going all the way back to 9/11. A period domestically where Sunak is bedding in is likely to be a bit lacking compared to what has gone before.
maybe discussing monetary tightness and fiscal drag doesn’t excite you as much as migrant invasions?
In which case, looking at the media and tonight’s papers, not only is the talked up Anglo French agreement signed today getting a bit of indifferent response overall, it’s now taking heavy incoming from the right for all the things it doesn’t do, like return them, patrol beaches etc.
in fact having people in the control room strikes me as a stupid thing for UK government to have done - if things don’t improve UK government can’t blame French side for lack of control their end.
Would it bother you if I meant that?
https://thegrayzone.com/2022/06/07/paul-masons-covert-intelligence-grayzone/
But yes, if we had all those things, we would not have needed to leave - we could have made it work. But then we'd never have needed to join either.
That’s a huge call. 😯
“Most people once believed these to be crackpot ideas; many still do. But crackpot ideas sometimes turn out to be true," Trump's lawyers argued to a federal appeals court
Innovative to (attempt to) make admitting your ideas are crackpot into a strength.
Not original, I know, but still.
PB has become boring. I don't like to say that, but I fear it has. Too many good commenters have left, and the replacements are tedious and unfunny. The accountants have won
But do you think I do mean it?
Or at this?
Union Militancy is about to bring the country to a standstill, wrecking everybody’s Christmas. The international money markets are waiting for the OBR and budget before maybe launching another attack on our country. CIA & KGB are meeting right now to try and prevent Kremlin unleashing a “punishment” weapon on Ukraine. Lucky has just predicted Sunak’s budget won’t even pass the commons. This could be one of the more remarkable winters any of us have lived through. The opposite on dull not in any good way 😕
Has been that way in WA ever since I've lived her, now over thirty years. Fine with us, except for election deniers - IF they happen to fall behind in later counts.
IF they are winning, then it's OK for ballots to be valid IF postmarked by EDay and otherwise kosher.
Someone compared you to @tim the other day. Unfortunately, you are not @tim. He was a bitterly funny opponent. Nasty, acidic, witty, and he could genuinely cut me down with a quip. You can't
I liked jousting with him. Too many like him have gone, and I sincerely fear I am about to join them
Perhaps this is a natural ageing process with online forums. An early and intriguing group develops a healthy dynamic of disagreement, but over time the more interesting and original members either fall foul of the (increasingly Woke) mods, or they have such terrible rows they cannot continue (Mr A. Meeks) or they get doxxed because they are so annoying to others (@tim) or they just get bored when all the other funny commenters quit, leaving us with @Nigelb and you
Meh
Of course it could also be because gangsters who will employ them (as forced labour or otherwise) have been allowed to become established in the British underground economy.
In my humble experience, people who moan about how long it takes to count elections are (from most tolerable to least)
> bettors
> candidates
> media
> consultants
> people who hate democracy in the first place and will use any excuse to vilify it.
IF the process is free and fair, with reasonable safeguards to keep it that way, then what's the big problem?
Note that in the US, the only officeholders who take office immediately upon being declared (by election authorities NOT media or bookies) are winners of special elections, filling un-expired terms.
Everybody else has to wait weeks or months anyway before they officially take office.
Have you thought bartering the idea to The Green Party for a sack of Lentils?
I’ve got a good friend now in the Green Party and went to their conference.
But, I’m not sure any of this is a new development.
(Agree that @tim should return, but I fear that bird flew long ago)
I'll try and do better.
(put the full stops in for you)
Have we overlooked Councils struggling with the financial crisis, and rates about to sky rocket 😧
I believe we have councillors on PB, how are your councils doing financially?
Where do we predict rates are going to go?
Derek And Clive, 'This Bloke Came Up to Me'?
You fecking c**** etc etc
Who offers best chance for Republicans (post-midterms)?
Trump 14%
DeSantis 86%
Expect councils to push for 5%+ in that case. Maybe higher. Social care etc.
And then periods when it's very quiet.
It's now quiet.
So be it.
Whose that leaning on White?
Skagit and Island too
Today's results from these three WA counties, will likely decide the outcome in three legislative races that right now are too close to call.
Will NOT determine control of the Legislature - Democrats have majorities in both houses already - but still important. Especially for the constituents of the eventual winners.
All three counties scheduled to release updated results within a couple hours. And am guessing they will all come close to hitting bottom, leaving just very late ballots and cures to count.
Surely the Iranians would have to leave the pitch.
In any case, it (and all benefits) should be grow/shrink with average earnings. The absolute level is another question.
"It has been offered for decades, and it is popular. In Maricopa County, about 80 percent of voters asked for early ballots that can be mailed, put in secure drop boxes, or handed in at polling locations on Election Day. Given that this is the fourth-largest county in the nation by population, that adds up to a lot of ballots.
When ballots arrive downtown, the work begins in a process that includes matching signatures on envelopes with signature samples on file. The ballots zip over to bipartisan teams that remove them from envelopes and then send them to tabulation. Video cameras transmit feeds that voters can watch online. In recent years, Trump, other Republican candidates and activists attacked the early voting system and instructed supporters to vote in person or to drop off their ballots on Election Day."
source$: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/11/12/arizona-election-vote-count-maricopa-county/
And because their ballots typically have so many choices on them, besides the national election.
(If impatient bettors elsewhere really need to know the results to pay their bills, or whatever, then perhaps in the future they should avoid bets that take some time to pay off.)
"While the Democrats gained 52 seats in the 1930 midterm elections, Republicans retained a narrow one-seat majority of 218 seats after the polls closed versus the Democrats' 216 seats; however, during the 13 weeks between these elections and the start of the 72nd Congress, 14 members-elect died (including incumbent Speaker Nicholas Longworth), and the Democrats gained an additional three seats in the special elections called to fill these vacancies, thus gaining control of the House (they held a 219–212 advantage over the Republicans when the new Congress convened)."
source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1930_United_States_House_of_Representatives_elections
With 435 members, many of them elderly, it is nearly certain that there will be special elections in the next two years, though almsot certainly not as many, or as soon, as after the 1930 election.
It is worth noting that Lake leads in Yuma (56-44), and will have been hoping late ballots would have been more favourable. Still, it's fairly small numbers (c. 4,500 votes).
42 Lake
58 Hobbs
Right now, Lake is 29,000 votes behind, and there's about 80,000 coming this evening. After that, there's some provisionals and ballots waiting for curing, but those probably favour Hobbs over Lake - albeit marginally.
Lake needs a big win - c. 52,500 vs 27,500 - just to stay in the race.
The fundamental problem is that all elections are counted simultaneously, and there will probably be 20 contests, ranging from ballot propositions, to judges, to city councilmen, to Mayors, Secretary of State, State and National Respresentatives and Senators, and the Governor.
Phew.
If the US had fewer elected roles, it would be a hell of a lot easier.
Hobbs lead now 30,231.
This is all early vote remaining - after this everything will be in except cured votes.
Cut-off for automatic recount is 0.5% - ie approx 12,500 vote margin.
Hobbs lead now 20,481.
Hobbs 30,825 (43%)
Lake 40,575 (57%)
Confirm Hobbs lead now 20,481.
Expect CNN to now call it.