One of the aspects of American politics that is not always appreciated in the UK is that each of the 50 states have different election laws. In Georgia they have a rule that unless a candidate wins more than 50% of the vote in an election then there is a run off with the top 2 a few weeks later.
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And even if we could agree on a limited, uncontroversial set, what happens as times change? Do we want to end up like America, pretending a document from 300 years ago is fundamental and having unelected judges argue over strict adherence to it or a modern interpretation, and risk legislating when they are unelected?
Warnock will be hoping he doesn't have a similarly embarrassing final slip up.
Indeed. Once you get on to "basic [and therefore immutable] human rights" you get on to eternal truths and @HYUFD can tell you where that leads. Yes that's right - straight to Vatican City and the Word of god.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/ridiculed-plaque-honouring-key-workers-littered-with-grammatical-errors/ar-AA13Vg6l?ocid=entnewsntp&cvid=4072238fdae7471784bcf7353bc99d07
"The 35-word inscription contained a spelling mistake, nine unnecessary capital letters, an erroneous mid-sentence full-stop, and also stated that the pandemic began in March 2019."
There is also a rogue double space in there.
Neither are serious positions.
You’re smarter that that, @BartholomewRoberts
Now in 2020, Trump was an embarrassment and weighed down the vote. Will a similar event repeat itself?
It's very hard to pinpoint the ideal level of protection and procedural or legal hurdles vs a total free for all, but if it is so tough it is easier to ignore and reinterpret that's what will happen, it actually prevents sensible evolution.
69% counted
Dem 50.3%
GOP 49.7%
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/2022/us/results
Anyone know if the remaining votes are likely to favour one of the parties?
How do they fail?
I find double spacing a greater sin than erroneous capitalisation, in general, possibly ebecause I commit the latter more often.
(Albeit not as often as unnecessary parentheticals, hypenisation, and semi-colon use).
Biden’s Silent Majority Is Still Trucking
https://www.thebulwark.com/bidens-silent-majority-is-still-trucking/
My masterpiece from late October:
Leaves on wet pavements.
Next weekend we change the clocks
And the government.
I think 24 weeks is right. Bart thinks birth. A fundamental Catholic thinks conception. Ron DeSantis thinks 15 weeks. Any are reasonable positions. And just because the argument is debatable it doesn't therefore follow that the right answer is somewhere in the middle.
What would be absurd though is not understanding the debatability of the subject and of brooking no dissent.
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Murdoch media is celebrating Ron DeSantis today, with prominently featured pieces in the New York Post and Fox News hailing him as the future of the GOP. "It is not an accident," a source familiar with how Murdoch operates his media empire tells me.
https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1457994224536899586/photo/1
https://t.co/dAy6Zy51U5
In one way I think the two extremes (conception or birth) are both more reasonable than an arbitrary and messy compromise at 24 weeks.
If abortion is murder, it should be conception. If abortion isn't murder, it should be birth.
You can't be half-pregnant, and you can't be half a murderer.
24 weeks is just a messy compromise, like Sunday trading laws, a silly and pointless sop to try and keep everyone happy. I would rather just treat the women with respect to make the appropriate decision and not second-guess them, which is essentially the law as it really operates in practice today anyway in this country already.
Having said that, I understand why many people are happier with the messy compromise. Doesn't mean I need to agree or respect it, but I respect other's rights to hold their own opinion - I just think all opinions apart from the woman's are irrelevant.
Looking at the map, you would say Ds because the votes are concentrated in Maricopa and more D leaning counties.
However, in 2020, Trump was actually gaining ground on Biden towards the end, which was against expectations given the perceived wisdom on the vote.
My gut feel is that Lake does this. As some said, her comment may be getting ready to prepare the steal. But it may also because the GOP feels like the Maricopa votes to come in will be more GOP-focused.
Swindon’s cold words fail to shine
Even on brass plaques
Baking Christmas Cake
Fireworks, parkin, Arnside Knott
I love November
Or even depart from seasonality into outright unbridled optimism:
In every decade
We can see ev'rything getting
Better and better
I'm from Manchester
And therefore everything is
Bloody brilliant
Is there an element of there having been an implicit contract in the conception of the baby.
But rape. Absolutely but this was against the will of the mother.
Is there not with a consensual pregnancy an agreement that both father and mother will produce a baby and therefore at Wk 38 with a father willing to look after the baby his view should be taken into account?
A pigeon sits on a street light
And defecates.
Of course birth isn't bloody arbitrary, it is the difference between eating, breathing and seeing stuff, and not doing those things.
And really, what logical or moral weight do you attach to what you personally or anyone else "just thinks" about anything? It is the last refuge of the, for instance, homophobe: I just think two men doing those things is just wrong.
To-con-vey one’s mood
In sev-en-teen syll-able-s
Is ve-ry dif-fic
John Cooper Clarke.
Not until birth.
"Women just went crazy"
https://twitter.com/abughazalehkat/status/1590409501446148096?t=EwR8VUtKHXkZUBR9zcFzng&s=19
(Messina has apologised already incidentally)
Quick bets with little research
I lose so badly
Same factor was also in play in Jan 2021 runoffs for Ossoff AND Warnock.
Two men. It's just not right.
has exactly the same moral content. Your and anyone else's personal deeply held beliefs on any question, just aren't interesting.
Take NC . Currently it’s 7-7 .
Because the GOP now have a majority on the State Supreme Court they will likely rubberstamp what the GOP originally wanted which was where they can get under half the states votes but end up with a 10-4 house split !
This race to the bottom means you have to fight fire with fire .
So in NY they drew up a gerrymandered map but this time the Dem majority on their SSC decided to play fair and kicked out the map.
You can applaud that court but equally if you’re a Democrat you must also think wtf . Playing nice with the GOP gets you nowhere .
Cuomo's picks for the court were either Republican or conservative Democrat. There has been a lot of criticism from many in the NY D party about what he did, which was essentially ensuring personal friends were on the court.
So, it wasn't a case of one side playing nice and the other not. If anything, it's more that Cuomo's pals got their own back on the D establishment in NY state for kicking him out.
The convincing part of the argument for me is that a woman cannot carry a baby to 38 weeks, with all that entails, without being deeply invested in it. So a decision to terminate at 38 weeks would only be made by her if it was an extreme circumstance and prima facie therefore justified without further discussion.
It’s just not the same for a man, emotionally or physically, right up to and including birth. So he doesn’t get a say, except to the extent that his views influence the mother to be.
https://twitter.com/RalstonReports/status/1590421964451028994
Florida's 15 weeks is reasonably consistent with much of Europe (eg France 16 weeks, Germany 12, Portugal 10, Spain 14). I'm not sure what the justification for a limit in this area is: perhaps that it gives plenty of time to know you're pregnant and make a decision? It seems to me less easy to justify than the other three possibilities.
Of course, theoretically in GB abortion on request is illegal - that doesn't stop the practice being different from the theory.
https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1590377686358450177?s=61&t=-Qsem5tDCyBfsPVOf3HLdQ
I take it you are not a father. Or if you are, you are also borderline psychopathic, with this reduced emotional investment prior to birth?
Does the past relationship, implicit contract, and viability of the baby with someone willing to look after it have no influence on the situation?
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/politics/market/1.179673535
Your position is that it’s the mother body until birth and that’s all that matters.
The fundamentalist religious position is that as soon as the sperm fertilised the egg, the blastocyst is a baby with the same rights as a baby. And that’s all that matters.
Both positions are absurd because lots of factors matter in any decision to abort a foetus.
Recognition of this reality was the genius behind the “legal, safe and rare” detente.
Now America, and unfortunately, I fear increasingly over here, we’re back to moral/religious absolutists vs liberal absolutists/women’s rights fundamentalists yelling themselves into opposing corners in a fight to impose their truth on society.
You’re cheering on this fight, which I think is a disaster. As you basically said, you’d rather completely lose the argument than live in the complicated, morally hazy reality, which is, I recon, the far more more mature position to take.
Let us have this never ending political and moral debate about the number of weeks, the viability of foetuses, the implications of various disabilities, the complexities of babies conceived through rape etc etc.
Your absolutist position is infantile.
Very disappointed that Mrs Dyldo wasn't in; I really wanted to see what she looks like
And yes I am with a second on the way. And I’m not really sure, hard to self-diagnose such things.
My emotional and physical investment is not remotely comparable to that of my wife’s at this stage.
https://pressgazette.co.uk/three-journalists-locked-up-for-covering-m25-protests-police-force-says-the-arrests-were-justified/
And there's moronic stone age bigotry. Why not tell us a joke about how God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Bruce?
Don't forget to put a whole row of those gut wrenchingly embarrassing emoji things in, to enhance the comedy even further. That'll make you look really adult.
- for example, our own @SandyRentool favours the extinction of humanity. This is quite an extreme position. But not an unreasonable one - he accepts others' views and isn't, so far as we know, going round snuffing humanity out one by one. That would be unreasonable.
Not my sort of humour, Fella.
Now jog on, people are interested in this matter. Plenty post about it. Have another drink.
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No on day drop boxs yet.
He is 6'8" btw, which is cool, no question.
Drop box figure will be reported this afternoon
you are far, far too stupid to profit from reading this site or for this site to profit from your posts. I don't say this in a spirit of spite or hostility, but because it is true. Accepting it would save you an awful lot of time.
Well done with the emojis.
It just doesn't seem like a case that would happen in the real world. Certainly not often enough to make policy based on it.
https://twitter.com/PoliticsJOE_UK/status/1590330644969959424?t=yaY9hyZ6B9jS4XpWDdDk9g&s=09
How sad
Never mind.
Laxalt had actually been benefiting (small) from the drop-offs in Washoe.
Crucially, we don't have the total left outstanding for Clark, which is apparently coming in a few hours
Science tells you nothing about what value and rights to place upon any individual from conception onwards, or its moral status. Religion cannot helpfully add to the general universal agreement that unjustified killing of humans is to be avoided, and dogmatic religious assertions don't advance argument.