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  • maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,591
    AHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
  • Neil said:

    Told you De Gea would be the hero!

    You are the new Rogerdamus
  • QuincelQuincel Posts: 4,042
    Did Manchester United just score 1 out of 5 penalties?!
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    Ha .... 1 out of 5 ... sums up Utd's season. What a ridiculous shoot-out.
  • I predict a fecking massacre in the Final.

    Man City 26 - Sunderland Nil
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,020
    1 penalty out of 5. I mean really.

    Moyes must go. Before it gets worse.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,410
    Woo !!!
  • maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,591
    one out of five aint bad...
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Manchester United - are you Burnley in disguise ?!?!

    Incoming from Bedford !!!!!!!!!!
  • QuincelQuincel Posts: 4,042
    Odds on Moyes being next to go will surely tumble, and it will be another false twilight.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,410
    I can see Adnan Januzi is destined for England now.
  • The Screaming Eagles ‏@TSEofPB 5s

    For all you Man U fans.

    pic.twitter.com/0xMoYuKeA4
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Pulpstar said:

    I can see Adnan Januzi is destined for England now.

    LOL

  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,020

    The Screaming Eagles ‏@TSEofPB 5s

    For all you Man U fans.


    pic.twitter.com/0xMoYuKeA4

    Thankfully I can't see that.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @Coral: For those asking, David Moyes is 20/1 to be the next Premier League manager to go. http://t.co/KC0R0Cayoe
  • Worst shoot out I can evèr remember, Utd had a lucky break as City would have battered them at Wembley.
  • QuincelQuincel Posts: 4,042
    Scott_P said:

    @Coral: For those asking, David Moyes is 20/1 to be the next Premier League manager to go. http://t.co/KC0R0Cayoe

    They're rejecting bets above a tenner though, clearly not that confident about keeping those odds.
  • DavidL said:

    The Screaming Eagles ‏@TSEofPB 5s

    For all you Man U fans.


    pic.twitter.com/0xMoYuKeA4

    Thankfully I can't see that.
    click on the link

    pic.twitter.com/0xMoYuKeA4
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Sherlock is good but the series from the 1980s starring Jeremy Brett is a lot better IMO, although I accept you can't really make a comparison between the two.
  • QuincelQuincel Posts: 4,042
    Coral are down to 10/1, Skybet remain on 18/1 as the market leaders.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,410

    The Screaming Eagles ‏@TSEofPB 5s

    For all you Man U fans.

    pic.twitter.com/0xMoYuKeA4

    I can see Maj enjoying it tbh seeing as she's an Arsenal fan.

    Also seriously what was Moyes thinking sticking Januzi in there ? He has great potential but that's way too much pressure for an 18 yr old kid.

  • Bring back Wilf McGuiness!
  • Paywall

    Ed Miliband has alienated himself from Britain’s blue-chip companies and is risking the recovery by developing irrational and unpredictable policies, senior business figures have warned......


    Speaking at the World Economic Forum in Davos, one chief executive of a FTSE 100 company said: “Ed Miliband doesn’t give a toss about business. He will say anything to get elected. [We] think it’s economic vandalism.”
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,410
    Quincel said:

    Coral are down to 10/1, Skybet remain on 18/1 as the market leaders.

    You can lay him at 990-1 on Betfair.... ;)
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited January 2014
    "Teachers face legal duty to report FGM cases in drive to bring mutilators to justice

    Teachers may be given a legal duty to report cases of female genital mutilation as part of a drive by ministers to combat the crime.
    Home Office minister Norman Baker said there was “weight” behind calls for mandatory reporting by schools and believed it could help bring mutilators to justice.
    He added that the idea was “certainly on the agenda” and would be assessed more fully at a ministerial summit on FGM next month. The change would mean teachers and other school staff would have to report concerns over girls at risk of mutilation to officials or police."


    http://www.standard.co.uk/news/education/teachers-face-legal-duty-to-report-fgm-cases-in-drive-to-bring-mutilators-to-justice-9077010.html
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,020
    Pulpstar said:

    The Screaming Eagles ‏@TSEofPB 5s

    For all you Man U fans.

    pic.twitter.com/0xMoYuKeA4

    I can see Maj enjoying it tbh seeing as she's an Arsenal fan.

    Also seriously what was Moyes thinking sticking Januzi in there ? He has great potential but that's way too much pressure for an 18 yr old kid.

    He's all we've got. Easily United's best player tonight. Again.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,705
    Is it a question of motivation.

    The league cup is to ManU, what the Euros are to the Tories.
  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371

    Paywall

    Ed Miliband has alienated himself from Britain’s blue-chip companies and is risking the recovery by developing irrational and unpredictable policies, senior business figures have warned......


    Speaking at the World Economic Forum in Davos, one chief executive of a FTSE 100 company said: “Ed Miliband doesn’t give a toss about business. He will say anything to get elected. [We] think it’s economic vandalism.”

    one chief executive....one Tory marginal polling guru....one floating voter....one leading economist....one man and his dog....don't you just love unnamed sources. Who wrote the article, Dan Hodges.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,410
    Quincel said:

    Coral are down to 10/1, Skybet remain on 18/1 as the market leaders.

    He's not going anywhere ;p

    Mug bets. Barely liquid markets on Betfair too.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,020
    Pulpstar said:

    The Screaming Eagles ‏@TSEofPB 5s

    For all you Man U fans.

    pic.twitter.com/0xMoYuKeA4

    I can see Maj enjoying it tbh seeing as she's an Arsenal fan.

    Also seriously what was Moyes thinking sticking Januzi in there ? He has great potential but that's way too much pressure for an 18 yr old kid.

    He's all we've got. Easily United's best player tonight. Again.
  • Paywall

    Ed Miliband has alienated himself from Britain’s blue-chip companies and is risking the recovery by developing irrational and unpredictable policies, senior business figures have warned......


    Speaking at the World Economic Forum in Davos, one chief executive of a FTSE 100 company said: “Ed Miliband doesn’t give a toss about business. He will say anything to get elected. [We] think it’s economic vandalism.”

    one chief executive....one Tory marginal polling guru....one floating voter....one leading economist....one man and his dog....don't you just love unnamed sources. Who wrote the article, Dan Hodges.
    No.

    Someone with a brain.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    I saw Man City play Leicester City in this cup in December. We had hardly a shot on goal in the first half, but a bit better second half and got a goal back. We are top of the league, and outclassed all over the pitch, showing how big the gulf has become. On the other hand seeing what happened to West Ham, we looked good, and our goal was the only one scored against Man City in their cup run.

    They are an awesome side, and seem to be getting better. 26 nil may be about right!

    I predict a fecking massacre in the Final.

    Man City 26 - Sunderland Nil

  • Henry Winter ‏@henrywinter 41s

    Four Englishmen fail to convert penalties. Worrying start to World Cup year.
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    AndyJS said:

    Sherlock is good but the series from the 1980s starring Jeremy Brett is a lot better IMO, although I accept you can't really make a comparison between the two.

    Jeremy Brett was IMO the definitive Holmes. Outstanding acting in a wonderful ITV drama.

  • corporealcorporeal Posts: 2,549

    Henry Winter ‏@henrywinter 41s

    Four Englishmen fail to convert penalties. Worrying start to World Cup year.

    Surely he means traditional?
  • Jonathan said:

    Is it a question of motivation.

    The league cup is to ManU, what the Euros are to the Tories.

    If straw clutching was an Olympic sport you would be GB captain.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,410
    Anyone here have the inside track on WWE - Paddy Power have markets up, it's all completely rigged though
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815

    Paywall

    Ed Miliband has alienated himself from Britain’s blue-chip companies and is risking the recovery by developing irrational and unpredictable policies, senior business figures have warned......


    Speaking at the World Economic Forum in Davos, one chief executive of a FTSE 100 company said: “Ed Miliband doesn’t give a toss about business. He will say anything to get elected. [We] think it’s economic vandalism.”

    one chief executive....one Tory marginal polling guru....one floating voter....one leading economist....one man and his dog....don't you just love unnamed sources. Who wrote the article, Dan Hodges.
    Not always anonymous, compouter.

    Neil Woodford, the head of equities at Invesco Perpetual and one of the UK’s most influential fund managers, said that Labour plans for a price cap on energy bills would damage the investment case for the UK and block the billions of pounds of new money the Government admits it needs.

    “Here we have a serious politician, standing up and saying what he said which I think at a stroke torpedoed any chance that any of that investment will happen between now and the next election,” Mr Woodford said.


    What oft was thought but ne'er so well expressed.

  • corporeal said:

    Henry Winter ‏@henrywinter 41s

    Four Englishmen fail to convert penalties. Worrying start to World Cup year.

    Surely he means traditional?
    I'll be amazed if we get out of the group
  • QuincelQuincel Posts: 4,042
    If you take the bookies odds as gospel (for the sake of this stat) then the implied probability of Sunderland winning the League Cup and being relegated this season is roughly 10%. That's a 9/1 shot of a remarkable coincidence happening for the second season in a row.
  • corporealcorporeal Posts: 2,549

    corporeal said:

    Henry Winter ‏@henrywinter 41s

    Four Englishmen fail to convert penalties. Worrying start to World Cup year.

    Surely he means traditional?
    I'll be amazed if we get out of the group
    I agree, but I didn't think we were talking about the RWC.
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,834
    Quincel said:

    If you take the bookies odds as gospel (for the sake of this stat) then the implied probability of Sunderland winning the League Cup and being relegated this season is roughly 10%. That's a 9/1 shot of a remarkable coincidence happening for the second season in a row.

    Although Wigan won the other cup.
  • corporeal said:

    corporeal said:

    Henry Winter ‏@henrywinter 41s

    Four Englishmen fail to convert penalties. Worrying start to World Cup year.

    Surely he means traditional?
    I'll be amazed if we get out of the group
    I agree, but I didn't think we were talking about the RWC.
    How many world cup finals have Wales been to?

    How many times have England lost to Samoa/Western Samoa?
  • If you want to make a swift 33% return back Dappy to fînish in the Top 3 on Celebrity Big Brother
  • QuincelQuincel Posts: 4,042

    Quincel said:

    If you take the bookies odds as gospel (for the sake of this stat) then the implied probability of Sunderland winning the League Cup and being relegated this season is roughly 10%. That's a 9/1 shot of a remarkable coincidence happening for the second season in a row.

    Although Wigan won the other cup.
    Hush you...
  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371
    AveryLP said:

    Paywall

    Ed Miliband has alienated himself from Britain’s blue-chip companies and is risking the recovery by developing irrational and unpredictable policies, senior business figures have warned......


    Speaking at the World Economic Forum in Davos, one chief executive of a FTSE 100 company said: “Ed Miliband doesn’t give a toss about business. He will say anything to get elected. [We] think it’s economic vandalism.”

    one chief executive....one Tory marginal polling guru....one floating voter....one leading economist....one man and his dog....don't you just love unnamed sources. Who wrote the article, Dan Hodges.
    Not always anonymous, compouter.

    Neil Woodford, the head of equities at Invesco Perpetual and one of the UK’s most influential fund managers, said that Labour plans for a price cap on energy bills would damage the investment case for the UK and block the billions of pounds of new money the Government admits it needs.

    “Here we have a serious politician, standing up and saying what he said which I think at a stroke torpedoed any chance that any of that investment will happen between now and the next election,” Mr Woodford said.


    What oft was thought but ne'er so well expressed.

    That is a four months old quote old bean. Four months ago you were still predicting a polling crossover.......TRAMADOLADINGDONG!
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    Hugh said:

    Paywall

    Ed Miliband has alienated himself from Britain’s blue-chip companies and is risking the recovery by developing irrational and unpredictable policies, senior business figures have warned......


    Speaking at the World Economic Forum in Davos, one chief executive of a FTSE 100 company said: “Ed Miliband doesn’t give a toss about business. He will say anything to get elected. [We] think it’s economic vandalism.”

    Which popular FTSE 100 company could it be?
    Difficult to say, Hugh.

    Could be any of a hundred.

  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,514
    AveryLP said:

    Hugh said:

    Paywall

    Ed Miliband has alienated himself from Britain’s blue-chip companies and is risking the recovery by developing irrational and unpredictable policies, senior business figures have warned......


    Speaking at the World Economic Forum in Davos, one chief executive of a FTSE 100 company said: “Ed Miliband doesn’t give a toss about business. He will say anything to get elected. [We] think it’s economic vandalism.”

    Which popular FTSE 100 company could it be?
    Difficult to say, Hugh.

    Could be any of a hundred.

    LOL, don't use big numbers Mr Pole, you'll only confuse him.
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787

    corporeal said:

    Henry Winter ‏@henrywinter 41s

    Four Englishmen fail to convert penalties. Worrying start to World Cup year.

    Surely he means traditional?
    I'll be amazed if we get out of the group
    As an disinterested Scot .... OK but more impartial than most of my countrymen, I think England will escape their group but struggle from there.

    They have a talent pool the envy of most teams but when you put them together they are hugely less than the sum of their parts. Why eludes me ?!?

  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815

    AveryLP said:

    Paywall

    Ed Miliband has alienated himself from Britain’s blue-chip companies and is risking the recovery by developing irrational and unpredictable policies, senior business figures have warned......


    Speaking at the World Economic Forum in Davos, one chief executive of a FTSE 100 company said: “Ed Miliband doesn’t give a toss about business. He will say anything to get elected. [We] think it’s economic vandalism.”

    one chief executive....one Tory marginal polling guru....one floating voter....one leading economist....one man and his dog....don't you just love unnamed sources. Who wrote the article, Dan Hodges.
    Not always anonymous, compouter.

    Neil Woodford, the head of equities at Invesco Perpetual and one of the UK’s most influential fund managers, said that Labour plans for a price cap on energy bills would damage the investment case for the UK and block the billions of pounds of new money the Government admits it needs.

    “Here we have a serious politician, standing up and saying what he said which I think at a stroke torpedoed any chance that any of that investment will happen between now and the next election,” Mr Woodford said.


    What oft was thought but ne'er so well expressed.

    That is a four months old quote old bean. Four months ago you were still predicting a polling crossover.......TRAMADOLADINGDONG!
    Of course it is four months old, compouter.

    You will note from the article that it was a reaction to Ed's energy price freeze proposals.

    The proposals are definitely now ancient history, but investor attitudes persist.

  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,514
    Hugh said:

    AveryLP said:

    Paywall

    Ed Miliband has alienated himself from Britain’s blue-chip companies and is risking the recovery by developing irrational and unpredictable policies, senior business figures have warned......


    Speaking at the World Economic Forum in Davos, one chief executive of a FTSE 100 company said: “Ed Miliband doesn’t give a toss about business. He will say anything to get elected. [We] think it’s economic vandalism.”

    one chief executive....one Tory marginal polling guru....one floating voter....one leading economist....one man and his dog....don't you just love unnamed sources. Who wrote the article, Dan Hodges.
    Not always anonymous, compouter.

    Neil Woodford, the head of equities at Invesco Perpetual and one of the UK’s most influential fund managers, said that Labour plans for a price cap on energy bills would damage the investment case for the UK and block the billions of pounds of new money the Government admits it needs.

    “Here we have a serious politician, standing up and saying what he said which I think at a stroke torpedoed any chance that any of that investment will happen between now and the next election,” Mr Woodford said.


    What oft was thought but ne'er so well expressed.

    Attacking Labour! *the shock*

    Next you'll be telling us that the Tories are Hedge Fund supported!
    So like Labour then.
  • AveryLP said:

    Paywall

    Ed Miliband has alienated himself from Britain’s blue-chip companies and is risking the recovery by developing irrational and unpredictable policies, senior business figures have warned......


    Speaking at the World Economic Forum in Davos, one chief executive of a FTSE 100 company said: “Ed Miliband doesn’t give a toss about business. He will say anything to get elected. [We] think it’s economic vandalism.”

    one chief executive....one Tory marginal polling guru....one floating voter....one leading economist....one man and his dog....don't you just love unnamed sources. Who wrote the article, Dan Hodges.
    Not always anonymous, compouter.

    Neil Woodford, the head of equities at Invesco Perpetual and one of the UK’s most influential fund managers, said that Labour plans for a price cap on energy bills would damage the investment case for the UK and block the billions of pounds of new money the Government admits it needs.

    “Here we have a serious politician, standing up and saying what he said which I think at a stroke torpedoed any chance that any of that investment will happen between now and the next election,” Mr Woodford said.


    What oft was thought but ne'er so well expressed.

    That is a four months old quote old bean. Four months ago you were still predicting a polling crossover.......TRAMADOLADINGDONG!
    Compouter, does noñe of this bother you? The fact that every sensible economist knows that Ed will be a disaster for the recovery? Or don't you care that unemployment will increase, the low paid will get even lower wages as immigration increases? Don't you care one jot about thè working class? Is it all just tribal ideology for you?
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,320
    Scotland - Gordon or West Aberdeenshire and Kincardine.
    JackW said:

    @ TSE and @foxinsoxuk

    Thanks for those suggestions.

    Somerton and Frome a possible. I'm looking for a decent LibDem/Con marginal in the West. Loughborough as you say a wee bit too close to Broxtowe.

    In England two northern Con/Lab marginals, a London seat and a Lab/Con marginal in the south look favourites to make the cut.

    JackW said:

    FPT @Neil wrote :

    "Interesting choice! How do you see Ipswich going? Labour have been doing well in local elections there since 2010."

    Too close to call (TCTC) presently. In terms of the "JackW Dozen it equates to within 500 votes.

    Each seat will be allocated either HOLD .. GAIN .. or TCTC in all but the final projection which will call as either HOLD or GAIN.

    9 more marginal seats to detail - 5 more from England and 2 each from Wales and Scotland. Suggestions welcome.

  • Wulfrun_PhilWulfrun_Phil Posts: 4,780
    Lib Dem statement defending their inaction until now on Hancock:
    "The Liberal Democrats have this afternoon, for the first time, had sight of a Portsmouth City Council report by Nigel Pascoe QC into allegations of sexual impropriety by Mike Hancock.
    Given Nigel Pascoe QC's conclusions in his report, we have immediately suspended Mike Hancock's membership of the party."

    Even if you believe that, you've got to believe also that Lib Dems don't read their house journal. Because the Guardian published a report with all of the essential details four weeks ago.

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/dec/23/mike-hancock-sexual-harassment-allegations
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Times interesting for Ed.....
  • corporealcorporeal Posts: 2,549

    corporeal said:

    corporeal said:

    Henry Winter ‏@henrywinter 41s

    Four Englishmen fail to convert penalties. Worrying start to World Cup year.

    Surely he means traditional?
    I'll be amazed if we get out of the group
    I agree, but I didn't think we were talking about the RWC.
    How many world cup finals have Wales been to?

    How many times have England lost to Samoa/Western Samoa?
    Exactly, we're due.

    40% of my life's gone by since England won a Grand slam.
  • corporeal said:

    corporeal said:

    corporeal said:

    Henry Winter ‏@henrywinter 41s

    Four Englishmen fail to convert penalties. Worrying start to World Cup year.

    Surely he means traditional?
    I'll be amazed if we get out of the group
    I agree, but I didn't think we were talking about the RWC.
    How many world cup finals have Wales been to?

    How many times have England lost to Samoa/Western Samoa?
    Exactly, we're due.

    40% of my life's gone by since England won a Grand slam.
    That's because you're a nipper.
  • corporealcorporeal Posts: 2,549
    edited January 2014
    As a side note, the all time Wales vs England rugby union head to head results are currently

    124 matches. 56 wins each, 12 draws

    In home nation tournaments they've each won individually 26 times (Wales have 12 shared wins to England's 10). England having 12 Grand Slams to Wales's 11.

    (Or so wiki tells me).
  • JamesMJamesM Posts: 221
    @Jack W

    Less of the Burnley FC mocking. We would never be involved in such a poor penalty shoot-out; lets remember us beating Chelsea on penalties to get to the League Cup semi-final a few years ago!

    On northern marginals, Lancashire is an interesting county. Both Rossendale and Darwen (Jack Straw's son as candidate for Labour) and Ribble South (a first time Conservative MP, but who is standing down) may offer you a good challenge.
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    Ed Miliband will be a disaster as PM, and some of his policies, particularly in energy, will be economically disastrous, but I don't see how the view of some CEO is relevant to that. CEOs will say that about whichever party leader they think is most hurtful to their particular profitability, whether the policy platform is beneficial to the country or not.
  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371

    AveryLP said:

    Paywall

    Ed Miliband has alienated himself from Britain’s blue-chip companies and is risking the recovery by developing irrational and unpredictable policies, senior business figures have warned......


    Speaking at the World Economic Forum in Davos, one chief executive of a FTSE 100 company said: “Ed Miliband doesn’t give a toss about business. He will say anything to get elected. [We] think it’s economic vandalism.”

    one chief executive....one Tory marginal polling guru....one floating voter....one leading economist....one man and his dog....don't you just love unnamed sources. Who wrote the article, Dan Hodges.
    Not always anonymous, compouter.

    Neil Woodford, the head of equities at Invesco Perpetual and one of the UK’s most influential fund managers, said that Labour plans for a price cap on energy bills would damage the investment case for the UK and block the billions of pounds of new money the Government admits it needs.

    “Here we have a serious politician, standing up and saying what he said which I think at a stroke torpedoed any chance that any of that investment will happen between now and the next election,” Mr Woodford said.


    What oft was thought but ne'er so well expressed.

    That is a four months old quote old bean. Four months ago you were still predicting a polling crossover.......TRAMADOLADINGDONG!
    Compouter, does noñe of this bother you? The fact that every sensible economist knows that Ed will be a disaster for the recovery? Or don't you care that unemployment will increase, the low paid will get even lower wages as immigration increases? Don't you care one jot about thè working class? Is it all just tribal ideology for you?
    "Sensible economist" - PB Definitive - An economist I agree with.
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,834
    Jonathan said:

    Sun Politics ‏@Sun_Politics 18s

    YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead jumps back up to eight points: CON 32%, LAB 40%, LD 8%, UKIP 12%

    Is there going to come a point when the Tories finally realise that they are not benefiting from economic recovery, mainly because most of the 37-39% simply dislike them and want them out of government?

    What they've done in the last 6 months has simply reinforced that - their ineffective flirtation with UKIP values annoys Lab/Lib voters without actually being enough to get the UKIP voters back (we will do some stuff to migrants and benefit-seekers and have some sort of Europe referendum but we won't recommend withdrawal or anything), much as though we made a bid for far left voters by promising to nationalise the biscuit tin industry. Cameron is by no means hated, but his party projects a grumpy image which puts off mlost people without actually winning the really grumpy voters.


    Not sure I fully agree with you. But Cameron's dismantling of the centrist position that won him power is a mistake. The UKIP die hards are not going to vote for him. But a lot of centrists might have done.
    Going from the last YouGov that has data tables on their website, of the 2010 Tory vote, 88% have a voting intention (2% wouldn't vote and 10% don't know - both lower than for the Lib Dems or Labour). Of those who would vote:
    - 76% are still Con
    - 6% are Lab, but are offset by 5% of Labour's vote moving to Con
    - 1% is Lib Dem, but offset by 10% of the 2010 LD vote now being Con
    - 16% is UKIP (no figure for the reverse direction; the 2010 UKIP vote is too small)
    - 1% to Green

    You can make a case that the Conservatives need to win over the centrist voters they didn't in 2010 (though those LD and Lab scores aren't bad in the circumstances), but really it is the drift to UKIP which is killing the Tories' chances. The tricky bit is pulling them back while not losing any at the other end.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,410
    edited January 2014
    JackW Do you have Danny Alexander's seat in the ARSE - It will be a good test of Scottish Yellow Tory Scottish Lib Dem fortunes.
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    Hugh said:

    AveryLP said:

    Hugh said:

    @Moniker @TSE

    I think you have forgotten to account for the election campaign. We are already 75% of the way through the term...

    The election campaign hasn't started yet. Chalk in November.
    I agree - but both parties will need to float some ideas in late spring too I think
    Well good luck , Balls hasn't chalked in an idea since 2010.
    Labour will stick to Tory spending plans I think, with just a few vaguely populist tweaks that cost little
    So what's the point of Labour ?
    A more sustainable economic recovery that benefits the many and not just the few.

    An empty soundbite, bereft of any economic credibility.

    If you really believe in it you will be able to let us know the key differences in economic policy and metrics which will differentiate Labour policy from that of the Coalition.

    Is yet another massive tax cut for millionaires still on the Tory agenda, do you know?
    The top ten percent have been the group whose incomes have fallen the most since the Coalition came to power.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    The Express and the Mail front pages are each interesting for different reasons. I expect David Cameron would be enjoying both.
  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371
    Hugh said:

    AveryLP said:

    AveryLP said:

    Paywall

    Ed Miliband has alienated himself from Britain’s blue-chip companies and is risking the recovery by developing irrational and unpredictable policies, senior business figures have warned......


    Speaking at the World Economic Forum in Davos, one chief executive of a FTSE 100 company said: “Ed Miliband doesn’t give a toss about business. He will say anything to get elected. [We] think it’s economic vandalism.”

    one chief executive....one Tory marginal polling guru....one floating voter....one leading economist....one man and his dog....don't you just love unnamed sources. Who wrote the article, Dan Hodges.
    Not always anonymous, compouter.

    Neil Woodford, the head of equities at Invesco Perpetual and one of the UK’s most influential fund managers, said that Labour plans for a price cap on energy bills would damage the investment case for the UK and block the billions of pounds of new money the Government admits it needs.

    “Here we have a serious politician, standing up and saying what he said which I think at a stroke torpedoed any chance that any of that investment will happen between now and the next election,” Mr Woodford said.


    What oft was thought but ne'er so well expressed.

    That is a four months old quote old bean. Four months ago you were still predicting a polling crossover.......TRAMADOLADINGDONG!
    Of course it is four months old, compouter.

    You will note from the article that it was a reaction to Ed's energy price freeze proposals.

    The proposals are definitely now ancient history, but investor attitudes persist.

    I'm sure voters will flock to defend the right of these millionaire investors in multi billion pound companies to make a few more million quid out of them.
    Hugh, as I said earlier the PB Hodges do not or want to understand. I find it entertaining observing them wondering why the polls are not swinging their way which then follows a whole series of IF's to make them feel better.
  • corporealcorporeal Posts: 2,549

    corporeal said:

    corporeal said:

    corporeal said:

    Henry Winter ‏@henrywinter 41s

    Four Englishmen fail to convert penalties. Worrying start to World Cup year.

    Surely he means traditional?
    I'll be amazed if we get out of the group
    I agree, but I didn't think we were talking about the RWC.
    How many world cup finals have Wales been to?

    How many times have England lost to Samoa/Western Samoa?
    Exactly, we're due.

    40% of my life's gone by since England won a Grand slam.
    That's because you're a nipper.
    Children born since Wales' last grand slam win are nearing their second birthday.
    Children born since Ireland's last grand slam win are looking towards primary school.
    Children born since England's last grand slam win are preparing for secondary school.
    Children born since Scotland's last grand slam win are finishing university.
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322

    Jonathan said:

    Sun Politics ‏@Sun_Politics 18s

    YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead jumps back up to eight points: CON 32%, LAB 40%, LD 8%, UKIP 12%

    Is there going to come a point when the Tories finally realise that they are not benefiting from economic recovery, mainly because most of the 37-39% simply dislike them and want them out of government?

    What they've done in the last 6 months has simply reinforced that - their ineffective flirtation with UKIP values annoys Lab/Lib voters without actually being enough to get the UKIP voters back (we will do some stuff to migrants and benefit-seekers and have some sort of Europe referendum but we won't recommend withdrawal or anything), much as though we made a bid for far left voters by promising to nationalise the biscuit tin industry. Cameron is by no means hated, but his party projects a grumpy image which puts off mlost people without actually winning the really grumpy voters.


    Not sure I fully agree with you. But Cameron's dismantling of the centrist position that won him power is a mistake. The UKIP die hards are not going to vote for him. But a lot of centrists might have done.
    Going from the last YouGov that has data tables on their website, of the 2010 Tory vote, 88% have a voting intention (2% wouldn't vote and 10% don't know - both lower than for the Lib Dems or Labour). Of those who would vote:
    - 76% are still Con
    - 6% are Lab, but are offset by 5% of Labour's vote moving to Con
    - 1% is Lib Dem, but offset by 10% of the 2010 LD vote now being Con
    - 16% is UKIP (no figure for the reverse direction; the 2010 UKIP vote is too small)
    - 1% to Green

    You can make a case that the Conservatives need to win over the centrist voters they didn't in 2010 (though those LD and Lab scores aren't bad in the circumstances), but really it is the drift to UKIP which is killing the Tories' chances. The tricky bit is pulling them back while not losing any at the other end.
    Also, what is Cameron doing that isn't centrist? The centre of public opinion supports a tough line on benefits, the centre of public opinion wants a referendum on the EU, the centre of public opinion believes limits should be placed on Romanian and Bulgarian immigration etc...
  • corporeal said:

    corporeal said:

    corporeal said:

    corporeal said:

    Henry Winter ‏@henrywinter 41s

    Four Englishmen fail to convert penalties. Worrying start to World Cup year.

    Surely he means traditional?
    I'll be amazed if we get out of the group
    I agree, but I didn't think we were talking about the RWC.
    How many world cup finals have Wales been to?

    How many times have England lost to Samoa/Western Samoa?
    Exactly, we're due.

    40% of my life's gone by since England won a Grand slam.
    That's because you're a nipper.
    Children born since Wales' last grand slam win are nearing their second birthday.
    Children born since Ireland's last grand slam win are looking towards primary school.
    Children born since England's last grand slam win are preparing for secondary school.
    Children born since Scotland's last grand slam win are finishing university.
    Grand Slams are irrelevant once you've won a world cup
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,834
    As an aside on those YouGov figures, I know how much the Scottish sub-sample is beloved of pb-ers, and the numbers are small and erratic, but the poll had the Tories on 22% up there. If that's accurate - and by-elections and other polling has pointed to a modest Blue uptick north of the border - it could mean up to half a dozen Con gains. Not massive in the overall scheme but noteworthy all the same.
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983

    it could mean up to half a dozen Con gains

    It's sad that tim isnt here to witness this Scottish Tory surging ;)
  • Whilst, as a general rule, the New Statesman is less eye-wateringly barmy than the Guardian, you really do have to take your hat off to Ms Natalie Bennett, item number 7 in TSE's magisterial list, for the impeccably barmy timing of her article, published at 16:08 on the day that 'staggeringly strong' employment figures were issued.
  • corporealcorporeal Posts: 2,549
    edited January 2014

    corporeal said:

    corporeal said:

    corporeal said:

    corporeal said:

    Henry Winter ‏@henrywinter 41s

    Four Englishmen fail to convert penalties. Worrying start to World Cup year.

    Surely he means traditional?
    I'll be amazed if we get out of the group
    I agree, but I didn't think we were talking about the RWC.
    How many world cup finals have Wales been to?

    How many times have England lost to Samoa/Western Samoa?
    Exactly, we're due.

    40% of my life's gone by since England won a Grand slam.
    That's because you're a nipper.
    Children born since Wales' last grand slam win are nearing their second birthday.
    Children born since Ireland's last grand slam win are looking towards primary school.
    Children born since England's last grand slam win are preparing for secondary school.
    Children born since Scotland's last grand slam win are finishing university.
    Grand Slams are irrelevant once you've won a world cup
    Nothing that occurred before facebook, twitter and youtube really happened.

    It's like philosophy, if no-one hears the trees has become if no-one tweets about it.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,380

    As an aside on those YouGov figures, I know how much the Scottish sub-sample is beloved of pb-ers, and the numbers are small and erratic, but the poll had the Tories on 22% up there. If that's accurate - and by-elections and other polling has pointed to a modest Blue uptick north of the border - it could mean up to half a dozen Con gains. Not massive in the overall scheme but noteworthy all the same.

    I think Rod From Crosby has been predicting Tory gains in Scotland for some time now?

    Could be wrong though. I'm on here a lot more infrequently than I would wish these day's.

  • AveryLP said:

    Paywall

    Ed Miliband has alienated himself from Britain’s blue-chip companies and is risking the recovery by developing irrational and unpredictable policies, senior business figures have warned......


    Speaking at the World Economic Forum in Davos, one chief executive of a FTSE 100 company said: “Ed Miliband doesn’t give a toss about business. He will say anything to get elected. [We] think it’s economic vandalism.”

    one chief executive....one Tory marginal polling guru....one floating voter....one leading economist....one man and his dog....don't you just love unnamed sources. Who wrote the article, Dan Hodges.
    Not always anonymous, compouter.

    Neil Woodford, the head of equities at Invesco Perpetual and one of the UK’s most influential fund managers, said that Labour plans for a price cap on energy bills would damage the investment case for the UK and block the billions of pounds of new money the Government admits it needs.

    “Here we have a serious politician, standing up and saying what he said which I think at a stroke torpedoed any chance that any of that investment will happen between now and the next election,” Mr Woodford said.


    What oft was thought but ne'er so well expressed.

    That is a four months old quote old bean. Four months ago you were still predicting a polling crossover.......TRAMADOLADINGDONG!
    Compouter, does noñe of this bother you? The fact that every sensible economist knows that Ed will be a disaster for the recovery? Or don't you care that unemployment will increase, the low paid will get even lower wages as immigration increases? Don't you care one jot about thè working class? Is it all just tribal ideology for you?
    "Sensible economist" - PB Definitive - An economist I agree with.
    You would have some credibility if you ever answered a question instead of posting glib replies to posts that your brain cannot process.

    I will ask you in a more neutral manner: do you think unemployment will increase under Ed, if not then why not? Do you think that mass immigration has been detrimental to the lower paid? Do you think the coalition have done anything whatsoever that is good?
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    edited January 2014
    Don't know if this has already been posted, but interesting article in the Economist suggesting UKIP are wising up on their campaigning methods and are targetting specific types of seats:

    http://www.economist.com/news/britain/21594261-populist-right-wing-party-has-learned-trick-liberal-democrats-could-propel-it

    Seaside towns definitely look like very promising territory for them, as do working-class "white van man" seats in Essex and Kent - all types of seats where Cameron's Tories are too posh for them, but which don't like Labour because of immigration. The best part for UKIP is, many of these seats are Labour-Tory marginals, meaning most likely neither of those two parties will be getting huge shares of the vote in these places in 2015, thus UKIP could potentially sneak through the middle and swipe several of these seats on as little as 30%.

    I still think UKIP have a decent chance of winning up to 10 seats in 2015.
  • JackW said:

    Lab/Con marginal in the south

    Hastings & Rye
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    "... The tricky bit is pulling them back while not losing any at the other end."

    I don't think that is actually possible, Mr. Herdson. Of the former Conservative voters that have said they will vote UKIP next time around I rather fancy that a significant number have lost faith in Cameron and there is now nothing more he could do to get them back, and certainly nothing he could say. Furthermore, I don't think a growing economy really matters to the voters Cameron has lost, at least not in terms of their voting intention.

    The Conservative's best hope is that in the marginals sufficient defectors, if I may use the term, will on the day swallow their misgivings and vote for them to keep Labour out. In the safe seats such as my own constituency UKIP will do well but as Nick Herbert has a 15k majority, who cares (except people like me who will be trying to get some bets on about how far his majority will drop).
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,928
    CEO criticises Miliband. Given the public's opinion of CEO's isn't very high, I doubt this will harm Ed. Might even help him look more effective as the scourge of the fat cats.
  • perdixperdix Posts: 1,806
    Danny565 said:

    Don't know if this has already been posted, but interesting article in the Economist suggesting UKIP are wising up on their campaigning methods and are targetting specific types of seats:

    http://www.economist.com/news/britain/21594261-populist-right-wing-party-has-learned-trick-liberal-democrats-could-propel-it

    Seaside towns definitely look like very promising territory for them, as do industrial "white van man" seats in Essex and Kent - all types of seats where Cameron's Tories are too posh for them, but which don't like Labour because of immigration. The best part for UKIP is, many of these seats are Labour-Tory marginals, meaning most likely neither of those two parties will be getting huge shares of the vote in these places in 2015, thus UKIP could potentially sneak through the middle and swipe several of these seats on as little as 30%.

    I still think UKIP have a decent chance of winning up to 10 seats in 2015.

    God help the UK if ukip win any seats, judging by their poor record in local government.

  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,410
    antifrank said:

    The Express and the Mail front pages are each interesting for different reasons. I expect David Cameron would be enjoying both.

    New way to beat agony of migraine and - hold on these are yesterdays - Which twitter feed has the papers, was looking at thepaperboy
  • MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699

    As an aside on those YouGov figures, I know how much the Scottish sub-sample is beloved of pb-ers, and the numbers are small and erratic, but the poll had the Tories on 22% up there. If that's accurate - and by-elections and other polling has pointed to a modest Blue uptick north of the border - it could mean up to half a dozen Con gains. Not massive in the overall scheme but noteworthy all the same.

    You could have taken the Scottish sub sample from the last ICM poll with Conservatives at 10% and say it was a certainty that the Conservatives would lose their sole Scottish seat . Alternatively you could have used the last Populus with Conservatives at 14% or the previous Populus which had Lib Dems at 17% and reached different conclusions .
  • old_labourold_labour Posts: 3,238
    edited January 2014
    Silly headline in the Mirror. Imagine if he was waiting in the queue with kids who have sprained ankles.
  • NinoinozNinoinoz Posts: 1,312

    I predict a fecking massacre in the Final.

    Man City 26 - Sunderland Nil

    Would you repost your prediction for the FA Cup Final last year?

    Man City a shedload - Wigan Athletic Nil?
  • Ninoinoz said:

    I predict a fecking massacre in the Final.

    Man City 26 - Sunderland Nil

    Would you repost your prediction for the FA Cup Final last year?

    Man City a shedload - Wigan Athletic Nil?
    I can't remember my prediction, could you repost it for me please.

    27 winning bets this calendar month, just saying.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,380
    What a funny bunch the Lib-Dems are turning out to be, LOL! Who would have thunk it.
  • Pulpstar said:

    antifrank said:

    The Express and the Mail front pages are each interesting for different reasons. I expect David Cameron would be enjoying both.

    New way to beat agony of migraine and - hold on these are yesterdays - Which twitter feed has the papers, was looking at thepaperboy
    The best people on twitter for newspapers are @suttonnick and @hendopolis - they get all papers emailed to them, and they also do the back pages
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,380
    Has there been some sort of mass PB exodus, BTW? Half the "characters" seem to be absent now?
  • MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    GIN1138 said:

    What a funny bunch the Lib-Dems are turning out to be, LOL! Who would have thunk it.

    True , but , of course we don't have an MP charged with homosexual rape , only MPs found guilty of offences without charge by people on here .
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,380

    GIN1138 said:

    What a funny bunch the Lib-Dems are turning out to be, LOL! Who would have thunk it.

    True , but , of course we don't have an MP charged with homosexual rape , only MPs found guilty of offences without charge by people on here .
    LOL! No need to get personal. I was only making an observation...

  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,928

    As an aside on those YouGov figures, I know how much the Scottish sub-sample is beloved of pb-ers, and the numbers are small and erratic, but the poll had the Tories on 22% up there. If that's accurate - and by-elections and other polling has pointed to a modest Blue uptick north of the border - it could mean up to half a dozen Con gains. Not massive in the overall scheme but noteworthy all the same.

    You could have taken the Scottish sub sample from the last ICM poll with Conservatives at 10% and say it was a certainty that the Conservatives would lose their sole Scottish seat . Alternatively you could have used the last Populus with Conservatives at 14% or the previous Populus which had Lib Dems at 17% and reached different conclusions .
    When will we get the detail from ICM's January poll?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,961
    edited January 2014

    As an aside on those YouGov figures, I know how much the Scottish sub-sample is beloved of pb-ers, and the numbers are small and erratic, but the poll had the Tories on 22% up there. If that's accurate - and by-elections and other polling has pointed to a modest Blue uptick north of the border - it could mean up to half a dozen Con gains. Not massive in the overall scheme but noteworthy all the same.

    You could have taken the Scottish sub sample from the last ICM poll with Conservatives at 10% and say it was a certainty that the Conservatives would lose their sole Scottish seat . Alternatively you could have used the last Populus with Conservatives at 14% or the previous Populus which had Lib Dems at 17% and reached different conclusions .
    When will we get the detail from ICM's January poll?
    It's out

    http://www.icmresearch.com/data/media/pdf/2014_jan_guardian_poll.pdf
  • MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699

    As an aside on those YouGov figures, I know how much the Scottish sub-sample is beloved of pb-ers, and the numbers are small and erratic, but the poll had the Tories on 22% up there. If that's accurate - and by-elections and other polling has pointed to a modest Blue uptick north of the border - it could mean up to half a dozen Con gains. Not massive in the overall scheme but noteworthy all the same.

    You could have taken the Scottish sub sample from the last ICM poll with Conservatives at 10% and say it was a certainty that the Conservatives would lose their sole Scottish seat . Alternatively you could have used the last Populus with Conservatives at 14% or the previous Populus which had Lib Dems at 17% and reached different conclusions .
    When will we get the detail from ICM's January poll?
    They are on their website now , what details do you want ?
  • Payall

    Tory MPs have complained that they receive more attention from Ed Miliband than from David Cameron.

    The Labour leader often writes notes, sends text messages or stops for chats with Conservative backbenchers. By contrast, the Prime Minister is regarded as frosty towards his own MPs when he bumps into them in the Commons.
  • Payall

    Tory MPs have complained that they receive more attention from Ed Miliband than from David Cameron.

    The Labour leader often writes notes, sends text messages or stops for chats with Conservative backbenchers. By contrast, the Prime Minister is regarded as frosty towards his own MPs when he bumps into them in the Commons.

    The killer quote from that piece

    One Tory MP. “Ultimately, Ed is just a much nicer guy than Dave.”
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983


    Tory MPs have complained that they receive more attention from Ed Miliband than from David Cameron.

    If it's attention they want we could send Lord Rennard their way.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,380

    Payall

    Tory MPs have complained that they receive more attention from Ed Miliband than from David Cameron.

    The Labour leader often writes notes, sends text messages or stops for chats with Conservative backbenchers. By contrast, the Prime Minister is regarded as frosty towards his own MPs when he bumps into them in the Commons.

    The killer quote from that piece

    One Tory MP. “Ultimately, Ed is just a much nicer guy than Dave.”
    Or perhaps it's just that Ed has a LOT of spare time on his hands while Cameron has to actually run the country?

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