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Second comings. Why Boris Johnson remains a great lay – politicalbetting.com

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edited November 3 in General
Second comings. Why Boris Johnson remains a great lay – politicalbetting.com

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  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    Yeah, lay de fatty.

    mind you, you can get 4.5% on deposit these days...
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 28,225
    ** NEW: What can we expect from the Rishuffle? **

    Big battles underway tonight for positions in Sunak’s Cabinet

    V tough calls as the new PM balances loyalists and uniting warring Tory tribes

    Here’s where we are after speaking to those involved today >>

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-10-24/sunak-expected-to-keep-hunt-tap-allies-for-his-new-uk-cabinet
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 10,410
    Scott_xP said:

    ** NEW: What can we expect from the Rishuffle? **

    Big battles underway tonight for positions in Sunak’s Cabinet

    V tough calls as the new PM balances loyalists and uniting warring Tory tribes

    Here’s where we are after speaking to those involved today >>

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-10-24/sunak-expected-to-keep-hunt-tap-allies-for-his-new-uk-cabinet

    "all the talents" 🤣
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 4,556

    Scott_xP said:

    ** NEW: What can we expect from the Rishuffle? **

    Big battles underway tonight for positions in Sunak’s Cabinet

    V tough calls as the new PM balances loyalists and uniting warring Tory tribes

    Here’s where we are after speaking to those involved today >>

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-10-24/sunak-expected-to-keep-hunt-tap-allies-for-his-new-uk-cabinet

    "all the talents" 🤣
    Hmm, how many people is that? Enough for a full cabinet, or will they have to do multiple jobs like the Lib Dem front bench? :lol:
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 81,465

    Sunak is best advised not to be too clever and just appoint vaguely sensible people to the cabinet. Trying to ‘unite the party’ by giving big jobs to various crackpots, clowns and dullards is certain to backfire.

    Agreed - has it ever actually worked?

    There is little wiggle room on policy anyway, they will have to do a lot of things they don't want to do, so go with the most competent you can find. If they happen to be a crackpot, all the better to appease that wing.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 54,855
    Mr Eagles, you have the filthiest mind of anyone I ever encountered.
  • ydoethur said:

    Mr Eagles, you have the filthiest mind of anyone I ever encountered.

    Fake news.

    You've only just realised?
  • MJWMJW Posts: 774

    Sunak is best advised not to be too clever and just appoint vaguely sensible people to the cabinet. Trying to ‘unite the party’ by giving big jobs to various crackpots, clowns and dullards is certain to backfire.

    For the country, definitely. The difficulty (which is why others have done it) is that the crackpot tendency in the Tories has become so strong, leaving them out altogether would create more than just an awkward squad who create trouble but can safely be ignored.
  • The title has presented some challenges to prevent nausea with my dinner, but I'll head back to my London Review of Books article every now and then to prevent this developing further.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 54,855
    edited October 24

    ydoethur said:

    Mr Eagles, you have the filthiest mind of anyone I ever encountered.

    Fake news.

    You've only just realised?
    It's more that this is the first time I've realised you have an even filthier mind than my old schoolfriend John, who could read a dirty meaning into a lesson on basic arithmetic.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 104,581
    edited October 24
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Mr Eagles, you have the filthiest mind of anyone I ever encountered.

    Fake news.

    You've only just realised?
    It's more that this is the first time I've realised you have an even filthier mind than my old schoolfriend John, who could read a dirty meaning into a lesson on basic arithmetic.
    Sex is a lot like maths/basic arithmetic.

    You subtract the clothes, add the bed, divide the legs, and pray that you don't multiply.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 15,304
    MJW said:

    Sunak is best advised not to be too clever and just appoint vaguely sensible people to the cabinet. Trying to ‘unite the party’ by giving big jobs to various crackpots, clowns and dullards is certain to backfire.

    For the country, definitely. The difficulty (which is why others have done it) is that the crackpot tendency in the Tories has become so strong, leaving them out altogether would create more than just an awkward squad who create trouble but can safely be ignored.
    He needs to actively sideline them, not ignore them. I mean he has an 80 seat majority FFS. He needs to take a leaf out of Blair’s book and put
    the nutters back in their box.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,660
    ydoethur said:
    USA declaring (non military) war on China probably the main driver.

    They've absolutely gutted the Chinese semi-conductor industry (last week) and have just filed charges against the PRC for espionage.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 105,148
    Churchill was Leader of the Opposition after losing power and came back and won a general election. Leader of the Opposition would be ideal for Boris, let Sunak and then probably Starmer take the unpopular decisions over the economy, while if Sunak loses the next general election the way is clear for him to return to lead the Tories and just oppose most things the Starmer government does without any responsibility.

    Provided he holds his seat of course
  • LeonLeon Posts: 28,864
    Looks like Russia is close to going nuclear. Perhaps a dirty bomb

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/24/ukraine-war-heading-for-uncontrolled-escalation-says-russia

    PM Rishi Sunak might face the biggest geopolitical crisis in many decades in his first week in office. Unenviable
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 12,144
    HYUFD said:

    Churchill was Leader of the Opposition after losing power and came back and won a general election. Leader of the Opposition would be ideal for Boris, let Sunak and then probably Starmer take the unpopular decisions over the economy, while if Sunak loses the next general election the way is clear for him to return to lead the Tories and just oppose most things the Starmer government does without any responsibility.

    Provided he holds his seat of course

    Please stop comparing the fat Clown to Churchill. Churchill was a colossus. The Clown has nothing, absolutely nothing, in common with him, other than the fact that in later life, Churchill was overweight.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 54,855

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Mr Eagles, you have the filthiest mind of anyone I ever encountered.

    Fake news.

    You've only just realised?
    It's more that this is the first time I've realised you have an even filthier mind than my old schoolfriend John, who could read a dirty meaning into a lesson on basic arithmetic.
    Sex is a lot like maths/basic arithmetic.

    You subtract the clothes, add the bed, divide the legs, and pray that you don't multiply.
    In his case when bored he used to explain how one plus nought equalled three.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 7,304
    edited October 24
    Leon said:

    Looks like Russia is close to going nuclear. Perhaps a dirty bomb

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/24/ukraine-war-heading-for-uncontrolled-escalation-says-russia

    PM Rishi Sunak might face the biggest geopolitical crisis in many decades in his first week in office. Unenviable

    Coincidentally there's a programme about the 1980's Cold War era on Channel 4 at this moment. It seems to be following BBC2 back towards more thoughtful schedules in primetime.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 105,148
    Leon said:

    Looks like Russia is close to going nuclear. Perhaps a dirty bomb

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/24/ukraine-war-heading-for-uncontrolled-escalation-says-russia

    PM Rishi Sunak might face the biggest geopolitical crisis in many decades in his first week in office. Unenviable

    Sunak however is much less of a hawk than Boris and Truss were, indeed his position on Putin is not much different to Macron's.

    Looks like Zelensky will therefore be relying on Biden for a firm response, which may be hope more than likelihood
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 28,091
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Mr Eagles, you have the filthiest mind of anyone I ever encountered.

    Fake news.

    You've only just realised?
    It's more that this is the first time I've realised you have an even filthier mind than my old schoolfriend John, who could read a dirty meaning into a lesson on basic arithmetic.
    But how do you know, except by personal observation and deduction? I'm reminded of the Johnsonian anecdote:

    'He called on [two ladies] one day,
    soon after the publication of his immortal dictionary. The ladies paid
    him due compliments on the occasion. Among other topics of praise,
    they very much commended the omission of all naughty words.
    `What! my dears! then you have been looking for them?' said the
    moralist.'
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 55,103
    Paul Mason
    @paulmasonnews
    ·
    2h
    I've made the long-list for the selection in Sheffield Central CLP. Solidarity and good luck to all the other candidates.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 54,855

    HYUFD said:

    Churchill was Leader of the Opposition after losing power and came back and won a general election. Leader of the Opposition would be ideal for Boris, let Sunak and then probably Starmer take the unpopular decisions over the economy, while if Sunak loses the next general election the way is clear for him to return to lead the Tories and just oppose most things the Starmer government does without any responsibility.

    Provided he holds his seat of course

    Please stop comparing the fat Clown to Churchill. Churchill was a colossus. The Clown has nothing, absolutely nothing, in common with him, other than the fact that in later life, Churchill was overweight.
    And didn't know when to stop drinking.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 72,939
    A brief Googling suggests Rishi Sunak, Emmanuel Macron, Olof Scholz, Vladimir Putin and Volodymyr Zelensky are all 5'7, it's an unprecedented consolidation of European power in the hands of short kings https://twitter.com/tomgara/status/1584565847112437762?s=20&t=77Lol0bMEsKBHrI895Uh8w
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 12,144
    Leon said:

    Looks like Russia is close to going nuclear. Perhaps a dirty bomb

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/24/ukraine-war-heading-for-uncontrolled-escalation-says-russia

    PM Rishi Sunak might face the biggest geopolitical crisis in many decades in his first week in office. Unenviable

    The Russians love people like you matey. You suck it all up. They wish we were all like you. Don't panic, don't panic!
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 7,148
    Leon said:

    Looks like Russia is close to going nuclear. Perhaps a dirty bomb

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/24/ukraine-war-heading-for-uncontrolled-escalation-says-russia

    PM Rishi Sunak might face the biggest geopolitical crisis in many decades in his first week in office. Unenviable

    Old news. It's a ludicrous suggestion that the Ukrainians would do that and we we advised them so.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 7,148
    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Looks like Russia is close to going nuclear. Perhaps a dirty bomb

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/24/ukraine-war-heading-for-uncontrolled-escalation-says-russia

    PM Rishi Sunak might face the biggest geopolitical crisis in many decades in his first week in office. Unenviable

    Sunak however is much less of a hawk than Boris and Truss were, indeed his position on Putin is not much different to Macron's.

    Looks like Zelensky will therefore be relying on Biden for a firm response, which may be hope more than likelihood
    All Macron has said is that there wouldn't be a nuclear response but we know that anyway. People have been stating for months that any response would be conventional.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 8,361
    Leon said:

    Looks like Russia is close to going nuclear. Perhaps a dirty bomb

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/24/ukraine-war-heading-for-uncontrolled-escalation-says-russia

    PM Rishi Sunak might face the biggest geopolitical crisis in many decades in his first week in office. Unenviable

    Don’t you get bored repeating the same shit week after week after week?
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 2,639
    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Looks like Russia is close to going nuclear. Perhaps a dirty bomb

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/24/ukraine-war-heading-for-uncontrolled-escalation-says-russia

    PM Rishi Sunak might face the biggest geopolitical crisis in many decades in his first week in office. Unenviable

    Sunak however is much less of a hawk than Boris and Truss were, indeed his position on Putin is not much different to Macron's.

    Looks like Zelensky will therefore be relying on Biden for a firm response, which may be hope more than likelihood
    Nah. He’s about to get inducted as PM. It’ll change him. Chancellor is a different role and requires different priorities, precisely because there’s others in Cabinet to argue the non-financial case.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 105,148
    biggles said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Looks like Russia is close to going nuclear. Perhaps a dirty bomb

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/24/ukraine-war-heading-for-uncontrolled-escalation-says-russia

    PM Rishi Sunak might face the biggest geopolitical crisis in many decades in his first week in office. Unenviable

    Sunak however is much less of a hawk than Boris and Truss were, indeed his position on Putin is not much different to Macron's.

    Looks like Zelensky will therefore be relying on Biden for a firm response, which may be hope more than likelihood
    Nah. He’s about to get inducted as PM. It’ll change him. Chancellor is a different role and requires different priorities, precisely because there’s others in Cabinet to argue the non-financial case.
    It won't change his core beliefs, at the end of the day he is a PM of Indian not European heritage looking to links with Asia for the UK's future. He has no interest in getting involved in a border dispute on the Russian Ukraine border now there is little danger of Kyiv falling
  • DriverDriver Posts: 2,222
    HYUFD said:

    biggles said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Looks like Russia is close to going nuclear. Perhaps a dirty bomb

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/24/ukraine-war-heading-for-uncontrolled-escalation-says-russia

    PM Rishi Sunak might face the biggest geopolitical crisis in many decades in his first week in office. Unenviable

    Sunak however is much less of a hawk than Boris and Truss were, indeed his position on Putin is not much different to Macron's.

    Looks like Zelensky will therefore be relying on Biden for a firm response, which may be hope more than likelihood
    Nah. He’s about to get inducted as PM. It’ll change him. Chancellor is a different role and requires different priorities, precisely because there’s others in Cabinet to argue the non-financial case.
    It won't change his core beliefs, at the end of the day he is a PM of Indian not European heritage looking to links with Asia for the UK's future. He has no interest in getting involved in a border dispute on the Russian Ukraine border now there is little danger of Kyiv falling
    This again? OK, if you insist:

    "border dispute" is a shameful phrase to use, pretending that there are faults on both sides - as opposed to the truth of Putin being a thug who wants to steal bits of other countries.
  • barrykennabarrykenna Posts: 206

    MJW said:

    Sunak is best advised not to be too clever and just appoint vaguely sensible people to the cabinet. Trying to ‘unite the party’ by giving big jobs to various crackpots, clowns and dullards is certain to backfire.

    For the country, definitely. The difficulty (which is why others have done it) is that the crackpot tendency in the Tories has become so strong, leaving them out altogether would create more than just an awkward squad who create trouble but can safely be ignored.
    He needs to actively sideline them, not ignore them. I mean he has an 80 seat majority FFS. He needs to take a leaf out of Blair’s book and put
    the nutters back in their box.
    Majority now a mere 72!
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 54,855
    HYUFD said:

    biggles said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Looks like Russia is close to going nuclear. Perhaps a dirty bomb

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/24/ukraine-war-heading-for-uncontrolled-escalation-says-russia

    PM Rishi Sunak might face the biggest geopolitical crisis in many decades in his first week in office. Unenviable

    Sunak however is much less of a hawk than Boris and Truss were, indeed his position on Putin is not much different to Macron's.

    Looks like Zelensky will therefore be relying on Biden for a firm response, which may be hope more than likelihood
    Nah. He’s about to get inducted as PM. It’ll change him. Chancellor is a different role and requires different priorities, precisely because there’s others in Cabinet to argue the non-financial case.
    It won't change his core beliefs, at the end of the day he is a PM of Indian not European heritage looking to links with Asia for the UK's future. He has no interest in getting involved in a border dispute on the Russian Ukraine border now there is little danger of Kyiv falling
    This is a genocide, not a border dispute. Just as John Major had to take a stance in Bosnia in the 1990s so Sunak has to take a stance on it now.

    He was perfectly within his rights to raise financial concerns as Chancellor because that was his job. If you can't pay for aid, you can't send it. When it was decided that aid would be sent, he found the money for it.

    As Prime Minister he will have to take a wider view from the off.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 7,839

    Paul Mason
    @paulmasonnews
    ·
    2h
    I've made the long-list for the selection in Sheffield Central CLP. Solidarity and good luck to all the other candidates.

    Bloody hell. Isn't Eddie Izzard hoping to represent that seat as well? Are any non-nutter candidates standing?
  • kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    biggles said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Looks like Russia is close to going nuclear. Perhaps a dirty bomb

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/24/ukraine-war-heading-for-uncontrolled-escalation-says-russia

    PM Rishi Sunak might face the biggest geopolitical crisis in many decades in his first week in office. Unenviable

    Sunak however is much less of a hawk than Boris and Truss were, indeed his position on Putin is not much different to Macron's.

    Looks like Zelensky will therefore be relying on Biden for a firm response, which may be hope more than likelihood
    Nah. He’s about to get inducted as PM. It’ll change him. Chancellor is a different role and requires different priorities, precisely because there’s others in Cabinet to argue the non-financial case.
    It won't change his core beliefs, at the end of the day he is a PM of Indian not European heritage looking to links with Asia for the UK's future. He has no interest in getting involved in a border dispute on the Russian Ukraine border now there is little danger of Kyiv falling
    You think British people of different ethnicity cannot share foreign policy views?!
    Wait until he hears about my views on the 'border dispute'.

    I think as President and co-founder of the Start The War Coalition I'm the most hawkish person on this board.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 54,855

    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    biggles said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Looks like Russia is close to going nuclear. Perhaps a dirty bomb

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/24/ukraine-war-heading-for-uncontrolled-escalation-says-russia

    PM Rishi Sunak might face the biggest geopolitical crisis in many decades in his first week in office. Unenviable

    Sunak however is much less of a hawk than Boris and Truss were, indeed his position on Putin is not much different to Macron's.

    Looks like Zelensky will therefore be relying on Biden for a firm response, which may be hope more than likelihood
    Nah. He’s about to get inducted as PM. It’ll change him. Chancellor is a different role and requires different priorities, precisely because there’s others in Cabinet to argue the non-financial case.
    It won't change his core beliefs, at the end of the day he is a PM of Indian not European heritage looking to links with Asia for the UK's future. He has no interest in getting involved in a border dispute on the Russian Ukraine border now there is little danger of Kyiv falling
    You think British people of different ethnicity cannot share foreign policy views?!
    Wait until he hears about my views on the 'border dispute'.

    I think as President and co-founder of the Start The War Coalition I'm the most hawkish person on this board.
    If Vladimir Putin was captured, would you (a) force feed him a Hawaiian pizza (b) execute him slowly or (c) both?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 81,465
    Cookie said:

    Paul Mason
    @paulmasonnews
    ·
    2h
    I've made the long-list for the selection in Sheffield Central CLP. Solidarity and good luck to all the other candidates.

    Bloody hell. Isn't Eddie Izzard hoping to represent that seat as well? Are any non-nutter candidates standing?
    No idea. though there's at least one more person with a hat in the ring according to google.

    A refugee who fled Somalia with his mother as a child is seeking the Labour nomination in a high-profile safe seat.

    Abdi Suleiman, 32, who works in parliamentary affairs, wants to be the Labour candidate for Sheffield Central at the next general election.


    https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/meet-abdi-suleiman-former-refugee-running-against-eddie-izzard-and-paul-mason-to-be-labour-mp_uk_635007a8e4b051268c4fed0d
  • LeonLeon Posts: 28,864
    DougSeal said:

    Leon said:

    Looks like Russia is close to going nuclear. Perhaps a dirty bomb

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/24/ukraine-war-heading-for-uncontrolled-escalation-says-russia

    PM Rishi Sunak might face the biggest geopolitical crisis in many decades in his first week in office. Unenviable

    Don’t you get bored repeating the same shit week after week after week?
    Just because you crap yourself several times a day, we can’t ignore reality

    “Nigel Gould-Davies, a senior fellow for Russia and Eurasia and the International Institute for Strategic Affairs, commented on Twitter: “It’s Russia that is escalating: attacks on Ukraine’s energy infrastructure, apparent attacks on western connectivity infrastructure, and mining of Novaya Kakhovka dam. And playing with nuclear fire in Zaporizhzhiya [nuclear power plant] for months.

    “So [it’s] hard to see these calls as anything other than Shoigu either doubling down on Putin’s bluffs, or preparing way for Russian nuclear use. Yes, nuclear (ie fission [rather than a dirty bomb]). A dirty bomb would breach nuclear taboo but not achieve significant effects.”

    He added: “I worry there is too much motivated reasoning in dismissing possible Russian nuclear use. We don’t want it to happen, and/or we don’t see the point, therefore it won’t. But Russia faces logic of dwindling choices as it loses. Escalation of all kinds more likely.””

  • ydoethur said:

    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    biggles said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Looks like Russia is close to going nuclear. Perhaps a dirty bomb

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/24/ukraine-war-heading-for-uncontrolled-escalation-says-russia

    PM Rishi Sunak might face the biggest geopolitical crisis in many decades in his first week in office. Unenviable

    Sunak however is much less of a hawk than Boris and Truss were, indeed his position on Putin is not much different to Macron's.

    Looks like Zelensky will therefore be relying on Biden for a firm response, which may be hope more than likelihood
    Nah. He’s about to get inducted as PM. It’ll change him. Chancellor is a different role and requires different priorities, precisely because there’s others in Cabinet to argue the non-financial case.
    It won't change his core beliefs, at the end of the day he is a PM of Indian not European heritage looking to links with Asia for the UK's future. He has no interest in getting involved in a border dispute on the Russian Ukraine border now there is little danger of Kyiv falling
    You think British people of different ethnicity cannot share foreign policy views?!
    Wait until he hears about my views on the 'border dispute'.

    I think as President and co-founder of the Start The War Coalition I'm the most hawkish person on this board.
    If Vladimir Putin was captured, would you (a) force feed him a Hawaiian pizza (b) execute him slowly or (c) both?
    I'm opposed to the death penalty, however I reckon I'd make Putin spend the rest of his life watching gay porn.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 105,148
    edited October 24

    HYUFD said:

    biggles said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Looks like Russia is close to going nuclear. Perhaps a dirty bomb

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/24/ukraine-war-heading-for-uncontrolled-escalation-says-russia

    PM Rishi Sunak might face the biggest geopolitical crisis in many decades in his first week in office. Unenviable

    Sunak however is much less of a hawk than Boris and Truss were, indeed his position on Putin is not much different to Macron's.

    Looks like Zelensky will therefore be relying on Biden for a firm response, which may be hope more than likelihood
    Nah. He’s about to get inducted as PM. It’ll change him. Chancellor is a different role and requires different priorities, precisely because there’s others in Cabinet to argue the non-financial case.
    It won't change his core beliefs, at the end of the day he is a PM of Indian not European heritage looking to links with Asia for the UK's future. He has no interest in getting involved in a border dispute on the Russian Ukraine border now there is little danger of Kyiv falling
    What a ridiculously prejudiced statement. You should be ashamed of yourself.
    Truss made it an issue in the summer, there is no doubt Zelensky preferred Boris and Truss in charge to Rishi

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/07/23/liz-truss-accuse-rishi-sunak-soft-russia-china/

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-zelensky-true-friend-b2159216.html

    https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uks-truss-tell-g7-stick-by-ukraine-face-russian-attacks-2022-10-10/
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  • kle4kle4 Posts: 81,465
    DougSeal said:

    Leon said:

    Looks like Russia is close to going nuclear. Perhaps a dirty bomb

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/24/ukraine-war-heading-for-uncontrolled-escalation-says-russia

    PM Rishi Sunak might face the biggest geopolitical crisis in many decades in his first week in office. Unenviable

    Don’t you get bored repeating the same shit week after week after week?
    I sure don't

    Posts: 79,991
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 17,365

    MJW said:

    Sunak is best advised not to be too clever and just appoint vaguely sensible people to the cabinet. Trying to ‘unite the party’ by giving big jobs to various crackpots, clowns and dullards is certain to backfire.

    For the country, definitely. The difficulty (which is why others have done it) is that the crackpot tendency in the Tories has become so strong, leaving them out altogether would create more than just an awkward squad who create trouble but can safely be ignored.
    He needs to actively sideline them, not ignore them. I mean he has an 80 seat majority FFS. He needs to take a leaf out of Blair’s book and put
    the nutters back in their box.
    Two problems with that. First is that Blair could usually point to the manifesto, and the fact that awkward MPs had stood on that very thing they wanted to oppose. Who said manifestos don't matter? Second is that almost by definition, a newly elected government is riding high in the polls. Rishi has neither of these advantages, so party management is crucial and will be hard.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 54,855

    ydoethur said:

    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    biggles said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Looks like Russia is close to going nuclear. Perhaps a dirty bomb

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/24/ukraine-war-heading-for-uncontrolled-escalation-says-russia

    PM Rishi Sunak might face the biggest geopolitical crisis in many decades in his first week in office. Unenviable

    Sunak however is much less of a hawk than Boris and Truss were, indeed his position on Putin is not much different to Macron's.

    Looks like Zelensky will therefore be relying on Biden for a firm response, which may be hope more than likelihood
    Nah. He’s about to get inducted as PM. It’ll change him. Chancellor is a different role and requires different priorities, precisely because there’s others in Cabinet to argue the non-financial case.
    It won't change his core beliefs, at the end of the day he is a PM of Indian not European heritage looking to links with Asia for the UK's future. He has no interest in getting involved in a border dispute on the Russian Ukraine border now there is little danger of Kyiv falling
    You think British people of different ethnicity cannot share foreign policy views?!
    Wait until he hears about my views on the 'border dispute'.

    I think as President and co-founder of the Start The War Coalition I'm the most hawkish person on this board.
    If Vladimir Putin was captured, would you (a) force feed him a Hawaiian pizza (b) execute him slowly or (c) both?
    I'm opposed to the death penalty, however I reckon I'd make Putin spend the rest of his life watching gay porn.
    Surely in his case it would be more of a punishment to withhold it?
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 12,144

    A brief Googling suggests Rishi Sunak, Emmanuel Macron, Olof Scholz, Vladimir Putin and Volodymyr Zelensky are all 5'7, it's an unprecedented consolidation of European power in the hands of short kings https://twitter.com/tomgara/status/1584565847112437762?s=20&t=77Lol0bMEsKBHrI895Uh8w

    Are the lizard people all very short? I seem to recall it has been suggested that HM QE2 was one such lizard person and she was quite small too.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 24,450

    MJW said:

    Sunak is best advised not to be too clever and just appoint vaguely sensible people to the cabinet. Trying to ‘unite the party’ by giving big jobs to various crackpots, clowns and dullards is certain to backfire.

    For the country, definitely. The difficulty (which is why others have done it) is that the crackpot tendency in the Tories has become so strong, leaving them out altogether would create more than just an awkward squad who create trouble but can safely be ignored.
    He needs to actively sideline them, not ignore them. I mean he has an 80 seat majority FFS. He needs to take a leaf out of Blair’s book and put
    the nutters back in their box.
    Majority now a mere 72!
    Simple majority of 66.
    Working majority of 75.

    https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainers/government-majority
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 81,465
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    biggles said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Looks like Russia is close to going nuclear. Perhaps a dirty bomb

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/24/ukraine-war-heading-for-uncontrolled-escalation-says-russia

    PM Rishi Sunak might face the biggest geopolitical crisis in many decades in his first week in office. Unenviable

    Sunak however is much less of a hawk than Boris and Truss were, indeed his position on Putin is not much different to Macron's.

    Looks like Zelensky will therefore be relying on Biden for a firm response, which may be hope more than likelihood
    Nah. He’s about to get inducted as PM. It’ll change him. Chancellor is a different role and requires different priorities, precisely because there’s others in Cabinet to argue the non-financial case.
    It won't change his core beliefs, at the end of the day he is a PM of Indian not European heritage looking to links with Asia for the UK's future. He has no interest in getting involved in a border dispute on the Russian Ukraine border now there is little danger of Kyiv falling
    What a ridiculously prejudiced statement. You should be ashamed of yourself.
    Truss made it an issue in the summer, there is no doubt Zelensky preferred Boris and Truss in charge to Rishi

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/07/23/liz-truss-accuse-rishi-sunak-soft-russia-china/

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-zelensky-true-friend-b2159216.html

    https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uks-truss-tell-g7-stick-by-ukraine-face-russian-attacks-2022-10-10/
    Maybe so, but not because he's of asian descent!
  • DriverDriver Posts: 2,222
    kle4 said:

    Cookie said:

    Paul Mason
    @paulmasonnews
    ·
    2h
    I've made the long-list for the selection in Sheffield Central CLP. Solidarity and good luck to all the other candidates.

    Bloody hell. Isn't Eddie Izzard hoping to represent that seat as well? Are any non-nutter candidates standing?
    No idea. though there's at least one more person with a hat in the ring according to google.

    A refugee who fled Somalia with his mother as a child is seeking the Labour nomination in a high-profile safe seat.

    Abdi Suleiman, 32, who works in parliamentary affairs, wants to be the Labour candidate for Sheffield Central at the next general election.


    https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/meet-abdi-suleiman-former-refugee-running-against-eddie-izzard-and-paul-mason-to-be-labour-mp_uk_635007a8e4b051268c4fed0d
    He at least has strong links to the city.

    However:

    Insiders think the nomination will go to one of the local councillor candidates rather than the two big names.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 28,091
    edited October 24

    Wither Jacob Rees-Moog? Into the Sedan Chair of History?

    To synthesise a new theory of the modern applicability of the Old Poor Law, the Workhouse, and the Speenhamland System, as well as the reintroduction of patronage and quill pens in the Civil Service?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 54,855
    edited October 24
    Leon said:

    DougSeal said:

    Leon said:

    Looks like Russia is close to going nuclear. Perhaps a dirty bomb

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/24/ukraine-war-heading-for-uncontrolled-escalation-says-russia

    PM Rishi Sunak might face the biggest geopolitical crisis in many decades in his first week in office. Unenviable

    Don’t you get bored repeating the same shit week after week after week?
    Just because you crap yourself several times a day, we can’t ignore reality
    You're right. We should all become flint dildo knappers and spend all our time jetting round the globe living in luxury hotels.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 105,148
    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    biggles said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Looks like Russia is close to going nuclear. Perhaps a dirty bomb

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/24/ukraine-war-heading-for-uncontrolled-escalation-says-russia

    PM Rishi Sunak might face the biggest geopolitical crisis in many decades in his first week in office. Unenviable

    Sunak however is much less of a hawk than Boris and Truss were, indeed his position on Putin is not much different to Macron's.

    Looks like Zelensky will therefore be relying on Biden for a firm response, which may be hope more than likelihood
    Nah. He’s about to get inducted as PM. It’ll change him. Chancellor is a different role and requires different priorities, precisely because there’s others in Cabinet to argue the non-financial case.
    It won't change his core beliefs, at the end of the day he is a PM of Indian not European heritage looking to links with Asia for the UK's future. He has no interest in getting involved in a border dispute on the Russian Ukraine border now there is little danger of Kyiv falling
    What a ridiculously prejudiced statement. You should be ashamed of yourself.
    Truss made it an issue in the summer, there is no doubt Zelensky preferred Boris and Truss in charge to Rishi

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/07/23/liz-truss-accuse-rishi-sunak-soft-russia-china/

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-zelensky-true-friend-b2159216.html

    https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uks-truss-tell-g7-stick-by-ukraine-face-russian-attacks-2022-10-10/
    Maybe so, but not because he's of asian descent!
    India is taking a largely neutral position on it, most British Asians I know don't want to get too involved
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 54,855
    Carnyx said:

    Wither Jacob Rees-Moog? Into the Sedan Chair of History?

    To synthesise a new theory of the modern applicability of the Old Poor Law, the Workhouse, and the Speenhamland System, as well as the reintroduction of patronage and quill pens in the Civil Service?
    I was hoping Mr Dancer's famous space cannon might be free.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 28,225
    🔺 Update: Rishi Sunak is preparing to keep Jeremy Hunt as chancellor and then appoint MPs from the right and left after he pledged to build a “big tent” cabinet to help unite the party https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/who-will-be-in-rishi-sunak-cabinet-predictions-appointments-tory-mps-lkmcj9nnr?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1666642932
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 55,103
    Isabel Oakeshott
    @IsabelOakeshott
    ·
    13m
    Literally hundreds of people joined @reformparty_uk
    today. Presumably they’re former Tory supporters who no longer feel that the Conservatives are conservative. Bye bye red wall……
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 81,465
    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    biggles said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Looks like Russia is close to going nuclear. Perhaps a dirty bomb

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/24/ukraine-war-heading-for-uncontrolled-escalation-says-russia

    PM Rishi Sunak might face the biggest geopolitical crisis in many decades in his first week in office. Unenviable

    Sunak however is much less of a hawk than Boris and Truss were, indeed his position on Putin is not much different to Macron's.

    Looks like Zelensky will therefore be relying on Biden for a firm response, which may be hope more than likelihood
    Nah. He’s about to get inducted as PM. It’ll change him. Chancellor is a different role and requires different priorities, precisely because there’s others in Cabinet to argue the non-financial case.
    It won't change his core beliefs, at the end of the day he is a PM of Indian not European heritage looking to links with Asia for the UK's future. He has no interest in getting involved in a border dispute on the Russian Ukraine border now there is little danger of Kyiv falling
    What a ridiculously prejudiced statement. You should be ashamed of yourself.
    Truss made it an issue in the summer, there is no doubt Zelensky preferred Boris and Truss in charge to Rishi

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/07/23/liz-truss-accuse-rishi-sunak-soft-russia-china/

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-zelensky-true-friend-b2159216.html

    https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uks-truss-tell-g7-stick-by-ukraine-face-russian-attacks-2022-10-10/
    Maybe so, but not because he's of asian descent!
    India is taking a largely neutral position on it, most British Asians I know don't want to get too involved
    Even if that is so, for sake of argument, it does not follow that Rishi Sunak is less gung-ho because he is British Asian - he's not a typical person of any type for a start, hence why he is Prime Minister.

    He might not be as robust on Ukraine as Boris or Truss, we shall see, but I am very confident his skin colour won't be why.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 17,365

    Leon said:

    Looks like Russia is close to going nuclear. Perhaps a dirty bomb

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/24/ukraine-war-heading-for-uncontrolled-escalation-says-russia

    PM Rishi Sunak might face the biggest geopolitical crisis in many decades in his first week in office. Unenviable

    Coincidentally there's a programme about the 1980's Cold War era on Channel 4 at this moment. It seems to be following BBC2 back towards more thoughtful schedules in primetime.
    Followed by a documentary on men with big willies.
  • AlistairMAlistairM Posts: 1,527

    ydoethur said:

    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    biggles said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Looks like Russia is close to going nuclear. Perhaps a dirty bomb

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/24/ukraine-war-heading-for-uncontrolled-escalation-says-russia

    PM Rishi Sunak might face the biggest geopolitical crisis in many decades in his first week in office. Unenviable

    Sunak however is much less of a hawk than Boris and Truss were, indeed his position on Putin is not much different to Macron's.

    Looks like Zelensky will therefore be relying on Biden for a firm response, which may be hope more than likelihood
    Nah. He’s about to get inducted as PM. It’ll change him. Chancellor is a different role and requires different priorities, precisely because there’s others in Cabinet to argue the non-financial case.
    It won't change his core beliefs, at the end of the day he is a PM of Indian not European heritage looking to links with Asia for the UK's future. He has no interest in getting involved in a border dispute on the Russian Ukraine border now there is little danger of Kyiv falling
    You think British people of different ethnicity cannot share foreign policy views?!
    Wait until he hears about my views on the 'border dispute'.

    I think as President and co-founder of the Start The War Coalition I'm the most hawkish person on this board.
    If Vladimir Putin was captured, would you (a) force feed him a Hawaiian pizza (b) execute him slowly or (c) both?
    I'm opposed to the death penalty, however I reckon I'd make Putin spend the rest of his life watching gay porn.
    Why? You know he'd be secretly enjoying it.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 81,465

    Isabel Oakeshott
    @IsabelOakeshott
    ·
    13m
    Literally hundreds of people joined @reformparty_uk
    today. Presumably they’re former Tory supporters who no longer feel that the Conservatives are conservative. Bye bye red wall……

    I guess she didn't notice the Red Wall was already in deep, deep trouble.

    And that the Tories have won elections without winning every seat they won in 2019 - so it is in fact possible for them to do ok without doing so.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 8,361
    Leon said:

    DougSeal said:

    Leon said:

    Looks like Russia is close to going nuclear. Perhaps a dirty bomb

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/24/ukraine-war-heading-for-uncontrolled-escalation-says-russia

    PM Rishi Sunak might face the biggest geopolitical crisis in many decades in his first week in office. Unenviable

    Don’t you get bored repeating the same shit week after week after week?
    Just because you crap yourself several times a day, we can’t ignore reality

    “Nigel Gould-Davies, a senior fellow for Russia and Eurasia and the International Institute for Strategic Affairs, commented on Twitter: “It’s Russia that is escalating: attacks on Ukraine’s energy infrastructure, apparent attacks on western connectivity infrastructure, and mining of Novaya Kakhovka dam. And playing with nuclear fire in Zaporizhzhiya [nuclear power plant] for months.

    “So [it’s] hard to see these calls as anything other than Shoigu either doubling down on Putin’s bluffs, or preparing way for Russian nuclear use. Yes, nuclear (ie fission [rather than a dirty bomb]). A dirty bomb would breach nuclear taboo but not achieve significant effects.”

    He added: “I worry there is too much motivated reasoning in dismissing possible Russian nuclear use. We don’t want it to happen, and/or we don’t see the point, therefore it won’t. But Russia faces logic of dwindling choices as it loses. Escalation of all kinds more likely.””

    It’s not a question of ignoring reality. It’s more a question of ignoring you. You’re boring. How many times have you told us over the last few weeks “Looks like Russia is close to going nuclear”? Okay, we get it. Try mixing it up a bit with a new spin. Even make the prose a little more readable. Anything. It’s hard to make a forthcoming apocalypse dull - but somehow you manage it.

  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 12,144
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    biggles said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Looks like Russia is close to going nuclear. Perhaps a dirty bomb

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/24/ukraine-war-heading-for-uncontrolled-escalation-says-russia

    PM Rishi Sunak might face the biggest geopolitical crisis in many decades in his first week in office. Unenviable

    Sunak however is much less of a hawk than Boris and Truss were, indeed his position on Putin is not much different to Macron's.

    Looks like Zelensky will therefore be relying on Biden for a firm response, which may be hope more than likelihood
    Nah. He’s about to get inducted as PM. It’ll change him. Chancellor is a different role and requires different priorities, precisely because there’s others in Cabinet to argue the non-financial case.
    It won't change his core beliefs, at the end of the day he is a PM of Indian not European heritage looking to links with Asia for the UK's future. He has no interest in getting involved in a border dispute on the Russian Ukraine border now there is little danger of Kyiv falling
    What a ridiculously prejudiced statement. You should be ashamed of yourself.
    Truss made it an issue in the summer, there is no doubt Zelensky preferred Boris and Truss in charge to Rishi

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/07/23/liz-truss-accuse-rishi-sunak-soft-russia-china/

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-zelensky-true-friend-b2159216.html

    https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uks-truss-tell-g7-stick-by-ukraine-face-russian-attacks-2022-10-10/
    Tell me where it said anything in those articles about Sunak's "Indian not European heritage"?

    You are a small brained prejudiced knobend.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 28,225
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  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 7,148

    ydoethur said:

    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    biggles said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Looks like Russia is close to going nuclear. Perhaps a dirty bomb

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/24/ukraine-war-heading-for-uncontrolled-escalation-says-russia

    PM Rishi Sunak might face the biggest geopolitical crisis in many decades in his first week in office. Unenviable

    Sunak however is much less of a hawk than Boris and Truss were, indeed his position on Putin is not much different to Macron's.

    Looks like Zelensky will therefore be relying on Biden for a firm response, which may be hope more than likelihood
    Nah. He’s about to get inducted as PM. It’ll change him. Chancellor is a different role and requires different priorities, precisely because there’s others in Cabinet to argue the non-financial case.
    It won't change his core beliefs, at the end of the day he is a PM of Indian not European heritage looking to links with Asia for the UK's future. He has no interest in getting involved in a border dispute on the Russian Ukraine border now there is little danger of Kyiv falling
    You think British people of different ethnicity cannot share foreign policy views?!
    Wait until he hears about my views on the 'border dispute'.

    I think as President and co-founder of the Start The War Coalition I'm the most hawkish person on this board.
    If Vladimir Putin was captured, would you (a) force feed him a Hawaiian pizza (b) execute him slowly or (c) both?
    I'm opposed to the death penalty, however I reckon I'd make Putin spend the rest of his life watching gay porn.
    Errrr..... that sounds more like an off ramp for him.

    On a serious point what do you do when someone threatens to use nuclear weapons to defend territory recognised by no-one but themselves as their own? The best option then might be to call for ceasefire and wait for the Russian economy to collapse.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 7,304
    edited October 24

    Leon said:

    Looks like Russia is close to going nuclear. Perhaps a dirty bomb

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/24/ukraine-war-heading-for-uncontrolled-escalation-says-russia

    PM Rishi Sunak might face the biggest geopolitical crisis in many decades in his first week in office. Unenviable

    Coincidentally there's a programme about the 1980's Cold War era on Channel 4 at this moment. It seems to be following BBC2 back towards more thoughtful schedules in primetime.
    Followed by a documentary on men with big willies.
    Yes, well there's clearly still a long way to go. Small steps and all that, though ; they may be getting wind that BBC2 is getting more ambitious again.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 17,365

    A brief Googling suggests Rishi Sunak, Emmanuel Macron, Olof Scholz, Vladimir Putin and Volodymyr Zelensky are all 5'7, it's an unprecedented consolidation of European power in the hands of short kings https://twitter.com/tomgara/status/1584565847112437762?s=20&t=77Lol0bMEsKBHrI895Uh8w

    Are the lizard people all very short? I seem to recall it has been suggested that HM QE2 was one such lizard person and she was quite small too.
    5'7" is not "very short"; it is about average.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 105,148
    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    biggles said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Looks like Russia is close to going nuclear. Perhaps a dirty bomb

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/24/ukraine-war-heading-for-uncontrolled-escalation-says-russia

    PM Rishi Sunak might face the biggest geopolitical crisis in many decades in his first week in office. Unenviable

    Sunak however is much less of a hawk than Boris and Truss were, indeed his position on Putin is not much different to Macron's.

    Looks like Zelensky will therefore be relying on Biden for a firm response, which may be hope more than likelihood
    Nah. He’s about to get inducted as PM. It’ll change him. Chancellor is a different role and requires different priorities, precisely because there’s others in Cabinet to argue the non-financial case.
    It won't change his core beliefs, at the end of the day he is a PM of Indian not European heritage looking to links with Asia for the UK's future. He has no interest in getting involved in a border dispute on the Russian Ukraine border now there is little danger of Kyiv falling
    What a ridiculously prejudiced statement. You should be ashamed of yourself.
    Truss made it an issue in the summer, there is no doubt Zelensky preferred Boris and Truss in charge to Rishi

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/07/23/liz-truss-accuse-rishi-sunak-soft-russia-china/

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-zelensky-true-friend-b2159216.html

    https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uks-truss-tell-g7-stick-by-ukraine-face-russian-attacks-2022-10-10/
    Maybe so, but not because he's of asian descent!
    India is taking a largely neutral position on it, most British Asians I know don't want to get too involved
    Even if that is so, for sake of argument, it does not follow that Rishi Sunak is less gung-ho because he is British Asian - he's not a typical person of any type for a start, hence why he is Prime Minister.

    He might not be as robust on Ukraine as Boris or Truss, we shall see, but I am very confident his skin colour won't be why.
    Think what you want but heritage does affect outlook on the world somewhat, Obama too was less focused on Europe in foreign policy than previous Presidents
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 12,144

    A brief Googling suggests Rishi Sunak, Emmanuel Macron, Olof Scholz, Vladimir Putin and Volodymyr Zelensky are all 5'7, it's an unprecedented consolidation of European power in the hands of short kings https://twitter.com/tomgara/status/1584565847112437762?s=20&t=77Lol0bMEsKBHrI895Uh8w

    Are the lizard people all very short? I seem to recall it has been suggested that HM QE2 was one such lizard person and she was quite small too.
    5'7" is not "very short"; it is about average.
    Ooops, sorry short person, sorry I mean average, not very short person.
  • HYUFD said:

    biggles said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Looks like Russia is close to going nuclear. Perhaps a dirty bomb

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/24/ukraine-war-heading-for-uncontrolled-escalation-says-russia

    PM Rishi Sunak might face the biggest geopolitical crisis in many decades in his first week in office. Unenviable

    Sunak however is much less of a hawk than Boris and Truss were, indeed his position on Putin is not much different to Macron's.

    Looks like Zelensky will therefore be relying on Biden for a firm response, which may be hope more than likelihood
    Nah. He’s about to get inducted as PM. It’ll change him. Chancellor is a different role and requires different priorities, precisely because there’s others in Cabinet to argue the non-financial case.
    It won't change his core beliefs, at the end of the day he is a PM of Indian not European heritage looking to links with Asia for the UK's future. He has no interest in getting involved in a border dispute on the Russian Ukraine border now there is little danger of Kyiv falling
    What a ridiculously prejudiced statement. You should be ashamed of yourself.
    Utterly shocking comment and frankly complete garbage and even dangerous to imply such nonsense
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 35,620
    edited October 24
    HYUFD said:

    biggles said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Looks like Russia is close to going nuclear. Perhaps a dirty bomb

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/24/ukraine-war-heading-for-uncontrolled-escalation-says-russia

    PM Rishi Sunak might face the biggest geopolitical crisis in many decades in his first week in office. Unenviable

    Sunak however is much less of a hawk than Boris and Truss were, indeed his position on Putin is not much different to Macron's.

    Looks like Zelensky will therefore be relying on Biden for a firm response, which may be hope more than likelihood
    Nah. He’s about to get inducted as PM. It’ll change him. Chancellor is a different role and requires different priorities, precisely because there’s others in Cabinet to argue the non-financial case.
    It won't change his core beliefs, at the end of the day he is a PM of Indian not European heritage looking to links with Asia for the UK's future. He has no interest in getting involved in a border dispute on the Russian Ukraine border now there is little danger of Kyiv falling
    There's me thinking that he was British, born, educated and elected here.

    I am sorry to hear he is still a foreigner.
  • Isabel Oakeshott
    @IsabelOakeshott
    ·
    13m
    Literally hundreds of people joined @reformparty_uk
    today. Presumably they’re former Tory supporters who no longer feel that the Conservatives are conservative. Bye bye red wall……

    Excellent news
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 28,091
    edited October 24
    O/T but as things seem to be quiet, or at least descending to discussing knobs in one form or another, [edit] I may perhaps add unconnectedly that I have just finished reading 'Bienville's Dilemma' - I shamefully cannot remember who recommended it, but would like to say, many thanks to whoever did so.

    It has proved a fine historical geography or geographical history of NO and its past and future complete with many illuminating maps and graphics.

    https://ulpress.org/products/bienvilles-dilemma-a-historical-geography-of-new-orleans
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 55,103
    ydoethur said:

    Isabel Oakeshott
    @IsabelOakeshott
    ·
    13m
    Literally hundreds of people joined @reformparty_uk
    today. Presumably they’re former Tory supporters who no longer feel that the Conservatives are conservative. Bye bye red wall……

    Literally hundreds? So their membership is back up to three figures?
    Ukippers leaving the Tories to return to what is basically Ukip II.

    GB News will run with this for days. No one else gives a toss.



  • DriverDriver Posts: 2,222

    A brief Googling suggests Rishi Sunak, Emmanuel Macron, Olof Scholz, Vladimir Putin and Volodymyr Zelensky are all 5'7, it's an unprecedented consolidation of European power in the hands of short kings https://twitter.com/tomgara/status/1584565847112437762?s=20&t=77Lol0bMEsKBHrI895Uh8w

    Are the lizard people all very short? I seem to recall it has been suggested that HM QE2 was one such lizard person and she was quite small too.
    5'7" is not "very short"; it is about average.
    If you include both men and women, yes.

    Average height for a man is 5'9" or 5'10" (I can't find a definitive source more recent than 2010, when the ONS had it as the former).

    So short, but not very short.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 28,091

    HYUFD said:

    biggles said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Looks like Russia is close to going nuclear. Perhaps a dirty bomb

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/24/ukraine-war-heading-for-uncontrolled-escalation-says-russia

    PM Rishi Sunak might face the biggest geopolitical crisis in many decades in his first week in office. Unenviable

    Sunak however is much less of a hawk than Boris and Truss were, indeed his position on Putin is not much different to Macron's.

    Looks like Zelensky will therefore be relying on Biden for a firm response, which may be hope more than likelihood
    Nah. He’s about to get inducted as PM. It’ll change him. Chancellor is a different role and requires different priorities, precisely because there’s others in Cabinet to argue the non-financial case.
    It won't change his core beliefs, at the end of the day he is a PM of Indian not European heritage looking to links with Asia for the UK's future. He has no interest in getting involved in a border dispute on the Russian Ukraine border now there is little danger of Kyiv falling
    What a ridiculously prejudiced statement. You should be ashamed of yourself.
    Utterly shocking comment and frankly complete garbage and even dangerous to imply such nonsense
    I presume you don't mean NF's?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 28,091

    Isabel Oakeshott
    @IsabelOakeshott
    ·
    13m
    Literally hundreds of people joined @reformparty_uk
    today. Presumably they’re former Tory supporters who no longer feel that the Conservatives are conservative. Bye bye red wall……

    Excellent news
    Especially for Labour and the LDs (and indeed the SNP).
  • HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    biggles said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Looks like Russia is close to going nuclear. Perhaps a dirty bomb

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/24/ukraine-war-heading-for-uncontrolled-escalation-says-russia

    PM Rishi Sunak might face the biggest geopolitical crisis in many decades in his first week in office. Unenviable

    Sunak however is much less of a hawk than Boris and Truss were, indeed his position on Putin is not much different to Macron's.

    Looks like Zelensky will therefore be relying on Biden for a firm response, which may be hope more than likelihood
    Nah. He’s about to get inducted as PM. It’ll change him. Chancellor is a different role and requires different priorities, precisely because there’s others in Cabinet to argue the non-financial case.
    It won't change his core beliefs, at the end of the day he is a PM of Indian not European heritage looking to links with Asia for the UK's future. He has no interest in getting involved in a border dispute on the Russian Ukraine border now there is little danger of Kyiv falling
    What a ridiculously prejudiced statement. You should be ashamed of yourself.
    Truss made it an issue in the summer, there is no doubt Zelensky preferred Boris and Truss in charge to Rishi

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/07/23/liz-truss-accuse-rishi-sunak-soft-russia-china/

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-zelensky-true-friend-b2159216.html

    https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uks-truss-tell-g7-stick-by-ukraine-face-russian-attacks-2022-10-10/
    Maybe so, but not because he's of asian descent!
    India is taking a largely neutral position on it, most British Asians I know don't want to get too involved
    You are making a fool of yourself but then that is par for the course

    Why not just go and join RefUK - you know you want to
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 24,450
    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    biggles said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Looks like Russia is close to going nuclear. Perhaps a dirty bomb

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/24/ukraine-war-heading-for-uncontrolled-escalation-says-russia

    PM Rishi Sunak might face the biggest geopolitical crisis in many decades in his first week in office. Unenviable

    Sunak however is much less of a hawk than Boris and Truss were, indeed his position on Putin is not much different to Macron's.

    Looks like Zelensky will therefore be relying on Biden for a firm response, which may be hope more than likelihood
    Nah. He’s about to get inducted as PM. It’ll change him. Chancellor is a different role and requires different priorities, precisely because there’s others in Cabinet to argue the non-financial case.
    It won't change his core beliefs, at the end of the day he is a PM of Indian not European heritage looking to links with Asia for the UK's future. He has no interest in getting involved in a border dispute on the Russian Ukraine border now there is little danger of Kyiv falling
    What a ridiculously prejudiced statement. You should be ashamed of yourself.
    Truss made it an issue in the summer, there is no doubt Zelensky preferred Boris and Truss in charge to Rishi

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/07/23/liz-truss-accuse-rishi-sunak-soft-russia-china/

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-zelensky-true-friend-b2159216.html

    https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uks-truss-tell-g7-stick-by-ukraine-face-russian-attacks-2022-10-10/
    Maybe so, but not because he's of asian descent!
    India is taking a largely neutral position on it, most British Asians I know don't want to get too involved
    Even if that is so, for sake of argument, it does not follow that Rishi Sunak is less gung-ho because he is British Asian - he's not a typical person of any type for a start, hence why he is Prime Minister.

    He might not be as robust on Ukraine as Boris or Truss, we shall see, but I am very confident his skin colour won't be why.
    An important point raised here though.
    We know precious little of his opinions out with the economy.
    Has there ever been a PM that was more of a blank canvas?
  • philiphphiliph Posts: 4,697

    ydoethur said:

    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    biggles said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Looks like Russia is close to going nuclear. Perhaps a dirty bomb

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/24/ukraine-war-heading-for-uncontrolled-escalation-says-russia

    PM Rishi Sunak might face the biggest geopolitical crisis in many decades in his first week in office. Unenviable

    Sunak however is much less of a hawk than Boris and Truss were, indeed his position on Putin is not much different to Macron's.

    Looks like Zelensky will therefore be relying on Biden for a firm response, which may be hope more than likelihood
    Nah. He’s about to get inducted as PM. It’ll change him. Chancellor is a different role and requires different priorities, precisely because there’s others in Cabinet to argue the non-financial case.
    It won't change his core beliefs, at the end of the day he is a PM of Indian not European heritage looking to links with Asia for the UK's future. He has no interest in getting involved in a border dispute on the Russian Ukraine border now there is little danger of Kyiv falling
    You think British people of different ethnicity cannot share foreign policy views?!
    Wait until he hears about my views on the 'border dispute'.

    I think as President and co-founder of the Start The War Coalition I'm the most hawkish person on this board.
    If Vladimir Putin was captured, would you (a) force feed him a Hawaiian pizza (b) execute him slowly or (c) both?
    I'm opposed to the death penalty, however I reckon I'd make Putin spend the rest of his life watching gay porn.
    Why not making it?
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 2,963
    I'm 5'7 and am neither a lizard person nor a world leader. WHAT HAVE I DONE WRONG
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 7,148
    Which figures on the 'right' of the party should Sunak embrace? Badenoch? Raab? David Davis? Steve Baker?

    John Major talked about the dispossessed and the never possessed. The trouble is you now have a whole series of third rate backbenchers who've tasted high office and think they ought to be listened to.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 81,465
    edited October 24
    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    biggles said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Looks like Russia is close to going nuclear. Perhaps a dirty bomb

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/24/ukraine-war-heading-for-uncontrolled-escalation-says-russia

    PM Rishi Sunak might face the biggest geopolitical crisis in many decades in his first week in office. Unenviable

    Sunak however is much less of a hawk than Boris and Truss were, indeed his position on Putin is not much different to Macron's.

    Looks like Zelensky will therefore be relying on Biden for a firm response, which may be hope more than likelihood
    Nah. He’s about to get inducted as PM. It’ll change him. Chancellor is a different role and requires different priorities, precisely because there’s others in Cabinet to argue the non-financial case.
    It won't change his core beliefs, at the end of the day he is a PM of Indian not European heritage looking to links with Asia for the UK's future. He has no interest in getting involved in a border dispute on the Russian Ukraine border now there is little danger of Kyiv falling
    What a ridiculously prejudiced statement. You should be ashamed of yourself.
    Truss made it an issue in the summer, there is no doubt Zelensky preferred Boris and Truss in charge to Rishi

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/07/23/liz-truss-accuse-rishi-sunak-soft-russia-china/

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-zelensky-true-friend-b2159216.html

    https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uks-truss-tell-g7-stick-by-ukraine-face-russian-attacks-2022-10-10/
    Maybe so, but not because he's of asian descent!
    India is taking a largely neutral position on it, most British Asians I know don't want to get too involved
    Even if that is so, for sake of argument, it does not follow that Rishi Sunak is less gung-ho because he is British Asian - he's not a typical person of any type for a start, hence why he is Prime Minister.

    He might not be as robust on Ukraine as Boris or Truss, we shall see, but I am very confident his skin colour won't be why.
    Think what you want but heritage does affect outlook on the world somewhat, Obama too was less focused on Europe in foreign policy than previous Presidents
    As ever with you, the problem is the certainty of your proposition and the weight you are giving to a single factor to the exclusion of all else. You presented it as a simple equation - he is of asian descent, therefore he does not care about Ukraine.

    If you'll forgive me some virtue signalling, I'd invite you to examine one word you included above, which is rather important, which was 'somewhat'.

    Even if we accept the premise that heritage affects outlook somewhat, to what extent is that true in general, and to what extent is that true for him specifically?

    Without seeing inside his head we cannot know for certain what lies behind his views and focuses, but besides an assertion that asian people don't care about Ukraine, do you have any evidence that is why Sunak cares less about it, if he even does? And do alternative explanations exist besides racial foreign policy?

    Your explanation excludes other rationales, even though you suggested he'll be closer to Macron in policy. Macron, who is not British Asian, did you know?

    If a white European leader can not 'care' as much about Ukraine as Boris and Truss, so can a non-white European leader. And if a white European leader can care as much about it as they did, so can a non-white leader.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 105,148

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    biggles said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Looks like Russia is close to going nuclear. Perhaps a dirty bomb

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/24/ukraine-war-heading-for-uncontrolled-escalation-says-russia

    PM Rishi Sunak might face the biggest geopolitical crisis in many decades in his first week in office. Unenviable

    Sunak however is much less of a hawk than Boris and Truss were, indeed his position on Putin is not much different to Macron's.

    Looks like Zelensky will therefore be relying on Biden for a firm response, which may be hope more than likelihood
    Nah. He’s about to get inducted as PM. It’ll change him. Chancellor is a different role and requires different priorities, precisely because there’s others in Cabinet to argue the non-financial case.
    It won't change his core beliefs, at the end of the day he is a PM of Indian not European heritage looking to links with Asia for the UK's future. He has no interest in getting involved in a border dispute on the Russian Ukraine border now there is little danger of Kyiv falling
    What a ridiculously prejudiced statement. You should be ashamed of yourself.
    Truss made it an issue in the summer, there is no doubt Zelensky preferred Boris and Truss in charge to Rishi

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/07/23/liz-truss-accuse-rishi-sunak-soft-russia-china/

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-zelensky-true-friend-b2159216.html

    https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uks-truss-tell-g7-stick-by-ukraine-face-russian-attacks-2022-10-10/
    Maybe so, but not because he's of asian descent!
    India is taking a largely neutral position on it, most British Asians I know don't want to get too involved
    You are making a fool of yourself but then that is par for the course

    Why not just go and join RefUK - you know you want to
    No I don't, I even voted for Sunak in the summer and in any case a less hawkish but still firm position on Putin from No 10 is less likely to involve us in a nuclear war and WW3.

  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 2,639
    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    biggles said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Looks like Russia is close to going nuclear. Perhaps a dirty bomb

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/24/ukraine-war-heading-for-uncontrolled-escalation-says-russia

    PM Rishi Sunak might face the biggest geopolitical crisis in many decades in his first week in office. Unenviable

    Sunak however is much less of a hawk than Boris and Truss were, indeed his position on Putin is not much different to Macron's.

    Looks like Zelensky will therefore be relying on Biden for a firm response, which may be hope more than likelihood
    Nah. He’s about to get inducted as PM. It’ll change him. Chancellor is a different role and requires different priorities, precisely because there’s others in Cabinet to argue the non-financial case.
    It won't change his core beliefs, at the end of the day he is a PM of Indian not European heritage looking to links with Asia for the UK's future. He has no interest in getting involved in a border dispute on the Russian Ukraine border now there is little danger of Kyiv falling
    What a ridiculously prejudiced statement. You should be ashamed of yourself.
    Truss made it an issue in the summer, there is no doubt Zelensky preferred Boris and Truss in charge to Rishi

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/07/23/liz-truss-accuse-rishi-sunak-soft-russia-china/

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-zelensky-true-friend-b2159216.html

    https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uks-truss-tell-g7-stick-by-ukraine-face-russian-attacks-2022-10-10/
    Maybe so, but not because he's of asian descent!
    India is taking a largely neutral position on it, most British Asians I know don't want to get too involved
    Even if that is so, for sake of argument, it does not follow that Rishi Sunak is less gung-ho because he is British Asian - he's not a typical person of any type for a start, hence why he is Prime Minister.

    He might not be as robust on Ukraine as Boris or Truss, we shall see, but I am very confident his skin colour won't be why.
    Think what you want but heritage does affect outlook on the world somewhat, Obama too was less focused on Europe in foreign policy than previous Presidents
    Again. Yuck.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 24,450
    philiph said:

    ydoethur said:

    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    biggles said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Looks like Russia is close to going nuclear. Perhaps a dirty bomb

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/24/ukraine-war-heading-for-uncontrolled-escalation-says-russia

    PM Rishi Sunak might face the biggest geopolitical crisis in many decades in his first week in office. Unenviable

    Sunak however is much less of a hawk than Boris and Truss were, indeed his position on Putin is not much different to Macron's.

    Looks like Zelensky will therefore be relying on Biden for a firm response, which may be hope more than likelihood
    Nah. He’s about to get inducted as PM. It’ll change him. Chancellor is a different role and requires different priorities, precisely because there’s others in Cabinet to argue the non-financial case.
    It won't change his core beliefs, at the end of the day he is a PM of Indian not European heritage looking to links with Asia for the UK's future. He has no interest in getting involved in a border dispute on the Russian Ukraine border now there is little danger of Kyiv falling
    You think British people of different ethnicity cannot share foreign policy views?!
    Wait until he hears about my views on the 'border dispute'.

    I think as President and co-founder of the Start The War Coalition I'm the most hawkish person on this board.
    If Vladimir Putin was captured, would you (a) force feed him a Hawaiian pizza (b) execute him slowly or (c) both?
    I'm opposed to the death penalty, however I reckon I'd make Putin spend the rest of his life watching gay porn.
    Why not making it?
    Someone else would have to be in it?
    Logically, therefore, they'd have had to have done summat worse than Vlad.
    Goes against natural justice.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 105,148
    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    biggles said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Looks like Russia is close to going nuclear. Perhaps a dirty bomb

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/24/ukraine-war-heading-for-uncontrolled-escalation-says-russia

    PM Rishi Sunak might face the biggest geopolitical crisis in many decades in his first week in office. Unenviable

    Sunak however is much less of a hawk than Boris and Truss were, indeed his position on Putin is not much different to Macron's.

    Looks like Zelensky will therefore be relying on Biden for a firm response, which may be hope more than likelihood
    Nah. He’s about to get inducted as PM. It’ll change him. Chancellor is a different role and requires different priorities, precisely because there’s others in Cabinet to argue the non-financial case.
    It won't change his core beliefs, at the end of the day he is a PM of Indian not European heritage looking to links with Asia for the UK's future. He has no interest in getting involved in a border dispute on the Russian Ukraine border now there is little danger of Kyiv falling
    What a ridiculously prejudiced statement. You should be ashamed of yourself.
    Truss made it an issue in the summer, there is no doubt Zelensky preferred Boris and Truss in charge to Rishi

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/07/23/liz-truss-accuse-rishi-sunak-soft-russia-china/

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-zelensky-true-friend-b2159216.html

    https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uks-truss-tell-g7-stick-by-ukraine-face-russian-attacks-2022-10-10/
    Maybe so, but not because he's of asian descent!
    India is taking a largely neutral position on it, most British Asians I know don't want to get too involved
    Even if that is so, for sake of argument, it does not follow that Rishi Sunak is less gung-ho because he is British Asian - he's not a typical person of any type for a start, hence why he is Prime Minister.

    He might not be as robust on Ukraine as Boris or Truss, we shall see, but I am very confident his skin colour won't be why.
    Think what you want but heritage does affect outlook on the world somewhat, Obama too was less focused on Europe in foreign policy than previous Presidents
    As ever with you, the problem is the certainty of your proposition and the weight you are giving to a single factor to the exclusion of all else. You presented it as a simple equation - he is of asian descent, therefore he does not care about Ukraine.

    If you'll forgive me some virtue signalling, I'd invite you to examine one word you included above, which is rather important, which was 'somewhat'.

    Even if we accept the premise that heritage affects outlook somewhat, to what extent is that true in general, and to what extent is that true for him specifically?

    Without seeing inside his head we cannot know for certain what lies behind his views and focuses, but besides an assertion that asian people don't care about Ukraine, do you have any evidence that is why Sunak cares less about it, if he even does? And do alternative explanations exist besides racial foreign policy?

    Your explanation excludes other rationales, even though you suggested he'll be closer to Macron in policy. Macron, who is not British Asian, did you know?
    The French are usually more realpolitik and less hawkish than we are, see also Iraq
  • HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    biggles said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Looks like Russia is close to going nuclear. Perhaps a dirty bomb

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/24/ukraine-war-heading-for-uncontrolled-escalation-says-russia

    PM Rishi Sunak might face the biggest geopolitical crisis in many decades in his first week in office. Unenviable

    Sunak however is much less of a hawk than Boris and Truss were, indeed his position on Putin is not much different to Macron's.

    Looks like Zelensky will therefore be relying on Biden for a firm response, which may be hope more than likelihood
    Nah. He’s about to get inducted as PM. It’ll change him. Chancellor is a different role and requires different priorities, precisely because there’s others in Cabinet to argue the non-financial case.
    It won't change his core beliefs, at the end of the day he is a PM of Indian not European heritage looking to links with Asia for the UK's future. He has no interest in getting involved in a border dispute on the Russian Ukraine border now there is little danger of Kyiv falling
    What a ridiculously prejudiced statement. You should be ashamed of yourself.
    Truss made it an issue in the summer, there is no doubt Zelensky preferred Boris and Truss in charge to Rishi

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/07/23/liz-truss-accuse-rishi-sunak-soft-russia-china/

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-zelensky-true-friend-b2159216.html

    https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uks-truss-tell-g7-stick-by-ukraine-face-russian-attacks-2022-10-10/
    Maybe so, but not because he's of asian descent!
    India is taking a largely neutral position on it, most British Asians I know don't want to get too involved
    You are making a fool of yourself but then that is par for the course

    Why not just go and join RefUK - you know you want to
    No I don't, I even voted for Sunak in the summer and in any case a less hawkish but still firm position on Putin from No 10 is less likely to involve us in a nuclear war and WW3.

    You are sounding like a Putin appeaser
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 35,620
    dixiedean said:

    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    biggles said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Looks like Russia is close to going nuclear. Perhaps a dirty bomb

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/24/ukraine-war-heading-for-uncontrolled-escalation-says-russia

    PM Rishi Sunak might face the biggest geopolitical crisis in many decades in his first week in office. Unenviable

    Sunak however is much less of a hawk than Boris and Truss were, indeed his position on Putin is not much different to Macron's.

    Looks like Zelensky will therefore be relying on Biden for a firm response, which may be hope more than likelihood
    Nah. He’s about to get inducted as PM. It’ll change him. Chancellor is a different role and requires different priorities, precisely because there’s others in Cabinet to argue the non-financial case.
    It won't change his core beliefs, at the end of the day he is a PM of Indian not European heritage looking to links with Asia for the UK's future. He has no interest in getting involved in a border dispute on the Russian Ukraine border now there is little danger of Kyiv falling
    What a ridiculously prejudiced statement. You should be ashamed of yourself.
    Truss made it an issue in the summer, there is no doubt Zelensky preferred Boris and Truss in charge to Rishi

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/07/23/liz-truss-accuse-rishi-sunak-soft-russia-china/

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-zelensky-true-friend-b2159216.html

    https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uks-truss-tell-g7-stick-by-ukraine-face-russian-attacks-2022-10-10/
    Maybe so, but not because he's of asian descent!
    India is taking a largely neutral position on it, most British Asians I know don't want to get too involved
    Even if that is so, for sake of argument, it does not follow that Rishi Sunak is less gung-ho because he is British Asian - he's not a typical person of any type for a start, hence why he is Prime Minister.

    He might not be as robust on Ukraine as Boris or Truss, we shall see, but I am very confident his skin colour won't be why.
    An important point raised here though.
    We know precious little of his opinions out with the economy.
    Has there ever been a PM that was more of a blank canvas?
    For those with stamina, he did speak on a lot of other subjects over the summer hustings.

    Not that I watched them.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 105,148

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    biggles said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Looks like Russia is close to going nuclear. Perhaps a dirty bomb

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/24/ukraine-war-heading-for-uncontrolled-escalation-says-russia

    PM Rishi Sunak might face the biggest geopolitical crisis in many decades in his first week in office. Unenviable

    Sunak however is much less of a hawk than Boris and Truss were, indeed his position on Putin is not much different to Macron's.

    Looks like Zelensky will therefore be relying on Biden for a firm response, which may be hope more than likelihood
    Nah. He’s about to get inducted as PM. It’ll change him. Chancellor is a different role and requires different priorities, precisely because there’s others in Cabinet to argue the non-financial case.
    It won't change his core beliefs, at the end of the day he is a PM of Indian not European heritage looking to links with Asia for the UK's future. He has no interest in getting involved in a border dispute on the Russian Ukraine border now there is little danger of Kyiv falling
    What a ridiculously prejudiced statement. You should be ashamed of yourself.
    Truss made it an issue in the summer, there is no doubt Zelensky preferred Boris and Truss in charge to Rishi

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/07/23/liz-truss-accuse-rishi-sunak-soft-russia-china/

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-zelensky-true-friend-b2159216.html

    https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uks-truss-tell-g7-stick-by-ukraine-face-russian-attacks-2022-10-10/
    Maybe so, but not because he's of asian descent!
    India is taking a largely neutral position on it, most British Asians I know don't want to get too involved
    You are making a fool of yourself but then that is par for the course

    Why not just go and join RefUK - you know you want to
    No I don't, I even voted for Sunak in the summer and in any case a less hawkish but still firm position on Putin from No 10 is less likely to involve us in a nuclear war and WW3.

    You are sounding like a Putin appeaser
    At the end of the day Ukraine is not in NATO, we can still send them supplies but we should not risk nuclear war with Russia over a border dispute in the Donbass and Crimea
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 28,225
    NEW: Two figures familiar with Sunak camp tell me Hunt expected to remain CX, but also told discussions ongoing & No decisions made. Mordaunt wants foreign. More on @skynews at 10pm
    https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1584648794498469888
  • HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    biggles said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Looks like Russia is close to going nuclear. Perhaps a dirty bomb

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/24/ukraine-war-heading-for-uncontrolled-escalation-says-russia

    PM Rishi Sunak might face the biggest geopolitical crisis in many decades in his first week in office. Unenviable

    Sunak however is much less of a hawk than Boris and Truss were, indeed his position on Putin is not much different to Macron's.

    Looks like Zelensky will therefore be relying on Biden for a firm response, which may be hope more than likelihood
    Nah. He’s about to get inducted as PM. It’ll change him. Chancellor is a different role and requires different priorities, precisely because there’s others in Cabinet to argue the non-financial case.
    It won't change his core beliefs, at the end of the day he is a PM of Indian not European heritage looking to links with Asia for the UK's future. He has no interest in getting involved in a border dispute on the Russian Ukraine border now there is little danger of Kyiv falling
    What a ridiculously prejudiced statement. You should be ashamed of yourself.
    Truss made it an issue in the summer, there is no doubt Zelensky preferred Boris and Truss in charge to Rishi

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/07/23/liz-truss-accuse-rishi-sunak-soft-russia-china/

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-zelensky-true-friend-b2159216.html

    https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uks-truss-tell-g7-stick-by-ukraine-face-russian-attacks-2022-10-10/
    Maybe so, but not because he's of asian descent!
    India is taking a largely neutral position on it, most British Asians I know don't want to get too involved
    You are making a fool of yourself but then that is par for the course

    Why not just go and join RefUK - you know you want to
    No I don't, I even voted for Sunak in the summer and in any case a less hawkish but still firm position on Putin from No 10 is less likely to involve us in a nuclear war and WW3.

    You are sounding like a Putin appeaser
    At the end of the day Ukraine is not in NATO, we can still send them supplies but we should not risk nuclear war with Russia over a border dispute in the Donbass and Crimea
    Have you a direct line to the Kremlin
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 10,540
    biggles said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Looks like Russia is close to going nuclear. Perhaps a dirty bomb

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/24/ukraine-war-heading-for-uncontrolled-escalation-says-russia

    PM Rishi Sunak might face the biggest geopolitical crisis in many decades in his first week in office. Unenviable

    Sunak however is much less of a hawk than Boris and Truss were, indeed his position on Putin is not much different to Macron's.

    Looks like Zelensky will therefore be relying on Biden for a firm response, which may be hope more than likelihood
    Nah. He’s about to get inducted as PM. It’ll change him. Chancellor is a different role and requires different priorities, precisely because there’s others in Cabinet to argue the non-financial case.
    If Sunak were to abandon Ukraine it's quite likely Wallace would resign and that might be enough to finish off another Tory PM.
  • TheValiantTheValiant Posts: 1,380
    HYUFD said:

    Churchill was Leader of the Opposition after losing power and came back and won a general election. Leader of the Opposition would be ideal for Boris, let Sunak and then probably Starmer take the unpopular decisions over the economy, while if Sunak loses the next general election the way is clear for him to return to lead the Tories and just oppose most things the Starmer government does without any responsibility.

    Provided he holds his seat of course

    Nawh.

    I think Boris is done. Unlike the US, we do like our leaders to be under the age of 70.
    There is no route back for Boris now.
    Either Sunak wins in 2024, in which case the chance of a challenge much before the 2028/2029 election is pretty low. Boris will be well into his 60s by then and I think the charm would've long worn off.
    Alternatively, Starmer wins and there is a route back. But I don't think Boris does 'Opposition'.... too much like hard work and again it could be 2028, 2029 or even into the 2030s before he makes a come back. Not going to happen.

    Johnson, like Farage, is now yesterdays man.

    Of course, events dear boy, events, but unlike Truss I can't see Sunak exploding between now and the GE.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 81,465
    edited October 24

    A brief Googling suggests Rishi Sunak, Emmanuel Macron, Olof Scholz, Vladimir Putin and Volodymyr Zelensky are all 5'7, it's an unprecedented consolidation of European power in the hands of short kings https://twitter.com/tomgara/status/1584565847112437762?s=20&t=77Lol0bMEsKBHrI895Uh8w

    Are the lizard people all very short? I seem to recall it has been suggested that HM QE2 was one such lizard person and she was quite small too.
    5'7" is not "very short"; it is about average.
    I use the old joke that I am not short as I am average height if you include men and women together, which I do as I am not a sexist.

    But I am shorter than average for a British man.

    According to OurWorldinData the average British man born in 1996, the latest they show, is 5ft 9/10. So he, and I, are noticably short.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 24,450
    edited October 24
    Scott_xP said:

    NEW: Two figures familiar with Sunak camp tell me Hunt expected to remain CX, but also told discussions ongoing & No decisions made. Mordaunt wants foreign. More on @skynews at 10pm
    https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1584648794498469888

    He can't move Hunt.
    No Hunt means no statement on time.
    Means markets go haywire again, and we are off to a disastrous start which may not be recoverable.
    "Discussions" or no.
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