Are there 40 Tory MPs prepared to put the national interest first and vote no confidence in a government that deserves no one’s confidence?
They need to get rid of Truss and stabilise things and look at a GE in April/ May. A GE campaign as we enter the winter energy crisis and the brink in Ukraine would be dreadful for the country.
This administration is dreadful for country. We need a functioning government. The Tories are simply unable to provide it. Sunak is not a unity candidate.
The British have had a functioning government for decades and it hasn't done them any good. Generally non-functioning governments do less damage.
Amusing, though untrue. Our 'non-functioning' governments do less damage because most of the governing apparatus is in fact still functioning on default mode.
Places with genuinely non-functioning governments would scoff at mere executive dysfunction.
Arguably the point of the Johnson government in 2019 was just to break the deadlock in parliament over Brexit and get it done. Having done that, we needed a political reset with all parties accepting it as a fait accompli, but it didn't happen due to a combination of the pandemic, and Boris Derangement Syndrome driving factions inside and outside the Tory party mad.
What we need now is probably a new election so that we can move on to the next phase.
I think the point here is that what the UK needs at the moment is dull technocracy (stability, don't rock the boat, fiscal conservatism), and it's no surprise that dull technocrats also lean remain.
That doesn't make the decision to leave less right (or less wrong) as it's primarily a question of sovereignty, rather than the economy.
Even I'm bored of pointing this out, but British politics broke when Brexit lies were presented by almost all of the British media as an equal & opposite counterpoint to reality, gravity, evidence & expertise. None of it can be fixed until the idiocy of Brexit is acknowledged.
For example, it's clear that Scotland would be poorer outside the UK, but many people consider that a price worth paying for self determination.
Brexit entailed the same price, and only a fool would have been unaware of it. Whether it was a price worth paying is very much up for debate.
But the important point is to distinguish the brexit/sovereignty argument/cost from the much wider global financial crisis we are in now. Brexit is largely irrelevant to that crisis, as borne out by US and EU market data.
Only loons and fanatics want to bring the conversation about the main problems the UK now faces back to brexit. The simple fact is we are where we are, and it's almost identical to where we would have been had we voted to remain.
Are there 40 Tory MPs prepared to put the national interest first and vote no confidence in a government that deserves no one’s confidence?
They need to get rid of Truss and stabilise things and look at a GE in April/ May. A GE campaign as we enter the winter energy crisis and the brink in Ukraine would be dreadful for the country.
This administration is dreadful for country. We need a functioning government. The Tories are simply unable to provide it. Sunak is not a unity candidate.
He or Maudaunt are the only ones who could stable things as I cannot see a GE for at least 2 years
The two runners up have to agree NOW to stabilise things.
One of them has to agree to defer and allow the other to be PM.
As Sunak was the actual runner up then he should be PM and Mordunt the deputy and FO.
FFS. How difficult is this? We are in a proxy war with a nuclear power FFS.
Are there 40 Tory MPs prepared to put the national interest first and vote no confidence in a government that deserves no one’s confidence?
They need to get rid of Truss and stabilise things and look at a GE in April/ May. A GE campaign as we enter the winter energy crisis and the brink in Ukraine would be dreadful for the country.
This administration is dreadful for country. We need a functioning government. The Tories are simply unable to provide it. Sunak is not a unity candidate.
The British have had a functioning government for decades and it hasn't done them any good. Generally non-functioning governments do less damage.
Amusing, though untrue. Our 'non-functioning' governments do less damage because most of the governing apparatus is in fact still functioning on default mode.
Places with genuinely non-functioning governments would scoff at mere executive dysfunction.
That's kind of what I mean. You want the civil service to carry on doing its thing, but when the PM has a bright idea, you don't want them to be able to carry it out.
Are there 40 Tory MPs prepared to put the national interest first and vote no confidence in a government that deserves no one’s confidence?
I suspect Graham Brady has more than 40 MPS making their position clear but
a) he is waiting to see if Truss falls on her sword and/or b) he is setting a higher bar so as to make it a fait accompli if he knocks on the No.10 door
Having dinner by looks of the tv clips this evening. Some fancy function or other.
Whilst the country waits to have an actual fucking government.
Surely he's at the Carlton Club for the 19 October centenary dinner? The whole cabinet was supposed to be going.
Tom Bradby summarised very well. BBC News was also a surprising evisceration. But then you can't really be equivocal about this. It is the worst shambles in Gov't during my lifetime by a country mile.
I think we need a General Election but how we get there I've no idea.
Starmer should table a VoNC. Force the Conservatives to vote for Truss, to show what a shambles they are.
Are there 40 Tory MPs prepared to put the national interest first and vote no confidence in a government that deserves no one’s confidence?
They need to get rid of Truss and stabilise things and look at a GE in April/ May. A GE campaign as we enter the winter energy crisis and the brink in Ukraine would be dreadful for the country.
This administration is dreadful for country. We need a functioning government. The Tories are simply unable to provide it. Sunak is not a unity candidate.
He or Maudaunt are the only ones who could stable things as I cannot see a GE for at least 2 years
I don't see how either of them could stabilise things. How would they manage to command the support of right-wing MPs who'd rather have Johnson or Badenoch or Braverman or Truss in charge?
The Conservative party are completely ungovernable now. They are entirely incapable of providing government for the country over the next two years.
If, nevertheless, they stagger on for 18 more months - or longer! - in several varieties of complete chaos, with inflation in double figures and everything else that is to come, they would have the prospect of beating Theresa May's unenviable record for national vote share that she set in the 2019 European elections. They're sunk, not Mary Rose sunk and will be rescued by archaeologists in a few centuries to be exhibited in a museum sunk, but sunk right to the bottom of the Marianas trench sunk.
Remember, we're in the period where Hunt is supposedly the calm hand on the tiller, the power behind the throne who is going to bring stability back to government, and then today happens. No government has ever been this far beyond repair in British history before. There is no way back this side of a general election and a bitter multi-year struggle for control of the party.
Two years more of this! Like one of those tragic opera deaths who just refuses to die.
Are there 40 Tory MPs prepared to put the national interest first and vote no confidence in a government that deserves no one’s confidence?
They would be utterly insane. They have two and a half years and something may turn up. A defeat of Putin would be a handy aside.
What about a Government of National Unity. Lefty Remain Tories, Lord Frost, Farage, Tice and the DUP. Sorted!
Mentioning GNU's should be the PB equivalent of "Godwin's Law"
Don't you like my lineup?
Believe mine (posted yesterday) is still superior:
Prime Minister > Kermit the Frog (aka GOF) Deputy PM and Chief Whip > Miss Piggy Chancellor of the Exchequer > Fozie Bear Foreign Secretary > Dr Julius Strangepork Home Secretary > Gonzo the Great Defense Secretary > Animal Justice Secretary/Lord Chancellor > Bert and Ernie SS for Business & Trade > Rizzo the Rat SS for Environment > Oscar the Grouch SS for Education > Elmo SS for Health > Link Hogthrob SS for Science > Dr Bensen Honeydew (w Beaker as UnderSec) SS for Culture > Dr Teeth SS for Agriculture > Henrietta Chicken (or Attila the Hen?) SS for Transport > Big Bird SS for Leveling Up > Cookie Monster SSs for Woke & Multiculturalism > Janice and Swedish Chef Leader of the House of Commons > Scooter
Certainly doubt recent shambles in HoC would have happened with Miss Piggy as Chief Whip!
I think the point here is that what the UK needs at the moment is dull technocracy (stability, don't rock the boat, fiscal conservatism), and it's no surprise that dull technocrats also lean remain.
That doesn't make the decision to leave less right (or less wrong) as it's primarily a question of sovereignty, rather than the economy.
Even I'm bored of pointing this out, but British politics broke when Brexit lies were presented by almost all of the British media as an equal & opposite counterpoint to reality, gravity, evidence & expertise. None of it can be fixed until the idiocy of Brexit is acknowledged.
For example, it's clear that Scotland would be poorer outside the UK, but many people consider that a price worth paying for self determination.
Brexit entailed the same price, and only a fool would have been unaware of it. Whether it was a price worth paying is very much up for debate.
But the important point is to distinguish the brexit/sovereignty argument/cost from the much wider global financial crisis we are in now. Brexit is largely irrelevant to that crisis, as borne out by US and EU market data.
Only loons and fanatics want to bring the conversation about the main problems the UK now faces back to brexit. The simple fact is we are where we are, and it's almost identical to where we would have been had we voted to remain.
Arguably the point of the Johnson government in 2019 was just to break the deadlock in parliament over Brexit and get it done. Having done that, we needed a political reset with all parties accepting it as a fait accompli, but it didn't happen due to a combination of the pandemic, and Boris Derangement Syndrome driving factions inside and outside the Tory party mad.
What we need now is probably a new election so that we can move on to the next phase.
Even if an early election is an option, you need to get enough stability for the Tories to fight one.
Who the hell would put together a manifesto for them today and what on earth would it have in it?
I think the depth of chaos today does make a 2023 election more likely, a next Tory government that is essentially semi-technocratic finding a landing zone where 150+ seats can be saved, but the fractiousness under the surface could explode if they go on any longer.
The Tories have well and truly Ratnered themselves.
There comes a point where a reputation is simply beyond restoration. This is no longer a Lab 1979, Con 1997 or Lab 2010 level of tarnish.
I know it's easy to get caught up in the moment but could we be seeing some kind of epochal political change here?
Labour have had really difficult, reputation damaging moments in office, but for all their problems they have never sunk this low. This is different. It’s On a completely new scale.
It makes any future Tory challenge on Labour competence impossible. There will be immediate comeback.
Truss cabinet didn't start out well but it's getting better.
It didn't seem that terrible, many of them were too inexperienced to have developed reptuations for awfulness. JRM and Braverman were about the most disquieting for those not on the right, and since he's been relatively quiet he's actually enhanced his reputation.
That's how bad things have been, Jacob Rees-Mogg has been ok.
Are there 40 Tory MPs prepared to put the national interest first and vote no confidence in a government that deserves no one’s confidence?
They need to get rid of Truss and stabilise things and look at a GE in April/ May. A GE campaign as we enter the winter energy crisis and the brink in Ukraine would be dreadful for the country.
This administration is dreadful for country. We need a functioning government. The Tories are simply unable to provide it. Sunak is not a unity candidate.
The British have had a functioning government for decades and it hasn't done them any good. Generally non-functioning governments do less damage.
Amusing, though untrue. Our 'non-functioning' governments do less damage because most of the governing apparatus is in fact still functioning on default mode.
Places with genuinely non-functioning governments would scoff at mere executive dysfunction.
That's kind of what I mean. You want the civil service to carry on doing its thing, but when the PM has a bright idea, you don't want them to be able to carry it out.
PMs having ideas is fine, even pushing against orthodoxy is fine, PMs just need to properly prepare for that, secure political support for it, make sure there is capacity to do it, and, importantly, check to see if it makes sense outside the wishes of some think tank ideologues with minds as impenetrable to evidence as a granite slab.
The Tories have well and truly Ratnered themselves.
There comes a point where a reputation is simply beyond restoration. This is no longer a Lab 1979, Con 1997 or Lab 2010 level of tarnish.
I know it's easy to get caught up in the moment but could we be seeing some kind of epochal political change here?
Genuinely yes. Amazingly sudden, and I don't think they will realise the hole they are in until a GE, but it's there.
Maybe, but if you forced me to bet I'd say 'no'. FPTP means there's a lot of ruin in a major party. Even if the Tories lose huge numbers of seats they're unlikely to fall below the lib dems in seat count, and they still will have a national structure, activists and residual supporter base. They might be out of power for a long time, but most peoples' memories for political shenanigans are short.
The Tories have well and truly Ratnered themselves.
There comes a point where a reputation is simply beyond restoration. This is no longer a Lab 1979, Con 1997 or Lab 2010 level of tarnish.
I know it's easy to get caught up in the moment but could we be seeing some kind of epochal political change here?
They'll be fine until something comes along that could replace them. Then they wont be
French socialist party says 'hi'.
Until centre right voters have something else to vote for they survive, and they have massive local government presence and ground campaign people. Thats all still there. The country isnt just going to hand Labour all the seats, theyre not stupid.
Are there 40 Tory MPs prepared to put the national interest first and vote no confidence in a government that deserves no one’s confidence?
I suspect Graham Brady has more than 40 MPS making their position clear but
a) he is waiting to see if Truss falls on her sword and/or b) he is setting a higher bar so as to make it a fait accompli if he knocks on the No.10 door
Brady and the '22 are not fit for purpose. This mess is on them.
Why? They didn't decide the rules of the Party election. They have no power to change those rules as far as I can see. All they can do is try to get Truss out within the rules.
Viktor Orbán @PM_ViktorOrban They tell me Russian gas is bad. They tell me we should stop buying it. But nobody tells us how to replace Russian gas. Not in five years, but tomorrow. We need to run our economy, it’s as simple as that.
The Tories have well and truly Ratnered themselves.
There comes a point where a reputation is simply beyond restoration. This is no longer a Lab 1979, Con 1997 or Lab 2010 level of tarnish.
I know it's easy to get caught up in the moment but could we be seeing some kind of epochal political change here?
They'll be fine until something comes along that could replace them. Then they wont be
French socialist party says 'hi'.
Until centre right voters have something else to vote for they survive, and they have massive local government presence and ground campaign people. Thats all still there. The country isnt just going to hand Labour all the seats, theyre not stupid.
I saw a post on ConHome from someone who’d been out campaigning recently who said they were just getting derision from voters, and he was packing it in.
Tom Bradby summarised very well. BBC News was also a surprising evisceration. But then you can't really be equivocal about this. It is the worst shambles in Gov't during my lifetime by a country mile.
I think we need a General Election but how we get there I've no idea.
Starmer should table a VoNC. Force the Conservatives to vote for Truss, to show what a shambles they are.
Yes, I think that's right now.
He should make it very clear every Tory MP voting to continue this shambles is a culpable accessory. Let Tories abstain if they cannot directly vote to bring down their own government.
The Tories have well and truly Ratnered themselves.
There comes a point where a reputation is simply beyond restoration. This is no longer a Lab 1979, Con 1997 or Lab 2010 level of tarnish.
I know it's easy to get caught up in the moment but could we be seeing some kind of epochal political change here?
Genuinely yes. Amazingly sudden, and I don't think they will realise the hole they are in until a GE, but it's there.
Maybe, but if you forced me to bet I'd say 'no'. FPTP means there's a lot of ruin in a major party. Even if the Tories lose huge numbers of seats they're unlikely to fall below the lib dems in seat count, and they still will have a national structure, activists and residual supporter base. They might be out of power for a long time, but most peoples' memories for political shenanigans are short.
Even in these riotus times (and gods, I thought we'd past that point by now), betting on continuity is generally correct. I agree, they might be terribly wounded, but not mortally so as the LDs are not the nearest alternative and Farage's mob are as changable as the seasons so what'd be the point when who knows what they'll be tomorrow?
But nothing can start to be fixed until Truss is no longer PM.
She has to go. The healing can’t really start until they all go. Personal self interest is the only thing holding the Tory majority together. Without it no replacement could command a majority. They hate Sunak. They hate Mourdaunt. There is no coherent safety first policy.
Iain Martin @iainmartin1 · 26m Boris Johnson's fault. Blew up his own premiership in successive acts of epic idiocy, then he insisted in a huff Sunak had to be stopped, and all his friends insisted it must be so, and the result was Liz Truss in Number 10. Well done everyone involved.
Viktor Orbán @PM_ViktorOrban They tell me Russian gas is bad. They tell me we should stop buying it. But nobody tells us how to replace Russian gas. Not in five years, but tomorrow. We need to run our economy, it’s as simple as that.
Sunak most popular to replace Truss amongst the general population, Boris most popular to replace Truss amongst Conservative 2019 voters according to a Peston poll.
Both still trail Starmer though Johnson gets to 30% and Sunak 27% head to head
Sam Freedman @Samfr · 1h The contrast between the Westminster chaos on the BBC News and the report on people suffering with food inflation is breathtaking. I'm not sure the Govt would poll in double figures now.
But nothing can start to be fixed until Truss is no longer PM.
She has to go. The healing can’t really start until they all go. Personal self interest is the only thing holding the Tory majority together. Without it no replacement could command a majority. They hate Sunak. They hate Mourdaunt. There is no coherent safety first policy.
They need to go.
The most important point is this: the party membership needs shooting like the rabid senile witless dog it effectively is. There is no more tory party until we can be sure future leaders will not be selected by drooling near-fascist twentyfive quidder pig shagging fuckwits like H*U*D.
The Tories have well and truly Ratnered themselves.
There comes a point where a reputation is simply beyond restoration. This is no longer a Lab 1979, Con 1997 or Lab 2010 level of tarnish.
I know it's easy to get caught up in the moment but could we be seeing some kind of epochal political change here?
They'll be fine until something comes along that could replace them. Then they wont be
French socialist party says 'hi'.
Until centre right voters have something else to vote for they survive, and they have massive local government presence and ground campaign people. Thats all still there. The country isnt just going to hand Labour all the seats, theyre not stupid.
Exactly it would require Farage's party to replace the Conservatives as the main party of the right
The Tories have well and truly Ratnered themselves.
There comes a point where a reputation is simply beyond restoration. This is no longer a Lab 1979, Con 1997 or Lab 2010 level of tarnish.
I know it's easy to get caught up in the moment but could we be seeing some kind of epochal political change here?
Genuinely yes. Amazingly sudden, and I don't think they will realise the hole they are in until a GE, but it's there.
Maybe, but if you forced me to bet I'd say 'no'. FPTP means there's a lot of ruin in a major party. Even if the Tories lose huge numbers of seats they're unlikely to fall below the lib dems in seat count, and they still will have a national structure, activists and residual supporter base. They might be out of power for a long time, but most peoples' memories for political shenanigans are short.
Even in these riotus times (and gods, I thought we'd past that point by now), betting on continuity is generally correct. I agree, they might be terribly wounded, but not mortally so as the LDs are not the nearest alternative and Farage's mob are as changable as the seasons so what'd be the point when who knows what they'll be tomorrow?
But that it is even a prospect is astonishing.
My assessment on party of HM Official Opposition after next election:
Con 73% Lab 12% LD 12% SNP 3%
A lot of the models say SNP has a better chance than this, but I only see a very narrow window between the Tories losing enough of their seats to bring the SNP into play without the LDs picking up enough to almost immediately close that option off.
The Tories have well and truly Ratnered themselves.
There comes a point where a reputation is simply beyond restoration. This is no longer a Lab 1979, Con 1997 or Lab 2010 level of tarnish.
I know it's easy to get caught up in the moment but could we be seeing some kind of epochal political change here?
They'll be fine until something comes along that could replace them. Then they wont be
French socialist party says 'hi'.
Until centre right voters have something else to vote for they survive, and they have massive local government presence and ground campaign people. Thats all still there. The country isnt just going to hand Labour all the seats, theyre not stupid.
Exactly it would require Farage's party to replace the Conservatives as the main party of the right
I remember posting numerous times back in the day that who ever was holding the ball when interest rates had to be raised to historic norms there would be hell to pay for them.
The Tories have manage to trash themselves before that even happens over the next year or so.
But nothing can start to be fixed until Truss is no longer PM.
She has to go. The healing can’t really start until they all go. Personal self interest is the only thing holding the Tory majority together. Without it no replacement could command a majority. They hate Sunak. They hate Mourdaunt. There is no coherent safety first policy.
They need to go.
The most important point is this: the party membership needs shooting like the rabid senile witless dog it effectively is. There is no more tory party until we can be sure future leaders will not be selected by drooling near-fascist twentyfive quidder pig shagging fuckwits like H*U*D.
Except I voted for Sunak and I note amongst Tory 2019 voters tonight Boris is still the preferred Tory leader according to a Peston poll. It was Tory MPs not members who removed Boris
I remember posting numerous times back in the day that who ever was holding the ball when interest rates had to be raised to historic norms there would be hell to pay for them.
The Tories have manage to trash themselves before that even happens over the next year or so.
But they will still be clinging to the ball even as Ratnered no-hopers, so they are going to get the blame for interest rate rises too.
But nothing can start to be fixed until Truss is no longer PM.
She has to go. The healing can’t really start until they all go. Personal self interest is the only thing holding the Tory majority together. Without it no replacement could command a majority. They hate Sunak. They hate Mourdaunt. There is no coherent safety first policy.
They need to go.
The most important point is this: the party membership needs shooting like the rabid senile witless dog it effectively is. There is no more tory party until we can be sure future leaders will not be selected by drooling near-fascist twentyfive quidder pig shagging fuckwits like H*U*D.
Except I voted for Sunak and I note amongst Tory 2019 voters tonight Boris is still the preferred Tory leader according to a Peston poll. It was Tory MPs not members who removed Boris
I remember posting numerous times back in the day that who ever was holding the ball when interest rates had to be raised to historic norms there would be hell to pay for them.
The Tories have manage to trash themselves before that even happens over the next year or so.
But they will still be clinging to the ball even as Ratnered no-hopers, so they are going to get the blame for interest rate rises too.
That's what i meant. There is still loads more blame to come, when businesses go bust & people lose their homes.
I have a furtive, existential worry that the circus of present British politics is just another symptom of a deeper and lethal global malaise
Like a comical yellow face revealing a failing liver
We need Nostraleondamus to tell us how it's all going to play out.
We all have our eyeballs melted before the 1922 get their act together and finally meet to change the rules?
I suspect the rules may not need to change, Brady or AN Other will turn up with something that Truss realises that her sheer stubborness cant fight off.
Dont forget the family influence on her either. Personally things must be so stinkingly bad for this woman's general life that someone close to home might just tell her to turn it in.
But nothing can start to be fixed until Truss is no longer PM.
She has to go. The healing can’t really start until they all go. Personal self interest is the only thing holding the Tory majority together. Without it no replacement could command a majority. They hate Sunak. They hate Mourdaunt. There is no coherent safety first policy.
They need to go.
The most important point is this: the party membership needs shooting like the rabid senile witless dog it effectively is. There is no more tory party until we can be sure future leaders will not be selected by drooling near-fascist twentyfive quidder pig shagging fuckwits like H*U*D.
Except I voted for Sunak and I note amongst Tory 2019 voters tonight Boris is still the preferred Tory leader according to a Peston poll. It was Tory MPs not members who removed Boris
You really do not get it do you
Members are the toxic part of this disaster for the party
But nothing can start to be fixed until Truss is no longer PM.
She has to go. The healing can’t really start until they all go. Personal self interest is the only thing holding the Tory majority together. Without it no replacement could command a majority. They hate Sunak. They hate Mourdaunt. There is no coherent safety first policy.
They need to go.
The most important point is this: the party membership needs shooting like the rabid senile witless dog it effectively is. There is no more tory party until we can be sure future leaders will not be selected by drooling near-fascist twentyfive quidder pig shagging fuckwits like H*U*D.
Except I voted for Sunak and I note amongst Tory 2019 voters tonight Boris is still the preferred Tory leader according to a Peston poll. It was Tory MPs not members who removed Boris
As a Tory, could you see Boris’s return?
He is desperate for it but it is not going to happen
In appearance she reminds slightly of my late mother when she was in her late 40s. She doesn't look robust and I'm sure all this hate and stress will be taking a big toll...
But at the end of day she put herself forward to be PM when it was clear to everyone (even her) that she wasn't up to it.
I don't want to be cruel and heap further misery on her on here... I just hope for her well-being she realize's the game's up and resigns tomorrow.
Seattle now has worst air quality of any major urban center in world with AQI = 236 = very unhealthy.
Which is BETTER than some areas north & east of city, which are 300 plus = hazardous
What happened to the rain? Did the gods not accept your sacrifices?
No rain forecast until Friday. We've had virtually zilch since June.
Unfortunately, the totem poles need to redress this situation, were stolen by some upper-class English twits a century or more ago, and are now in the British Museum.
But nothing can start to be fixed until Truss is no longer PM.
She has to go. The healing can’t really start until they all go. Personal self interest is the only thing holding the Tory majority together. Without it no replacement could command a majority. They hate Sunak. They hate Mourdaunt. There is no coherent safety first policy.
They need to go.
The most important point is this: the party membership needs shooting like the rabid senile witless dog it effectively is. There is no more tory party until we can be sure future leaders will not be selected by drooling near-fascist twentyfive quidder pig shagging fuckwits like H*U*D.
Except I voted for Sunak and I note amongst Tory 2019 voters tonight Boris is still the preferred Tory leader according to a Peston poll. It was Tory MPs not members who removed Boris
As a Tory, could you see Boris’s return?
On tonight's Peston poll not impossible, given Boris is still 2019 Conservative voters preference for Conservative leader. Though I think Sunak more likely who is the general public's preferred choice
Not every day one sees a really big, globally-recognised brand die.
Conservative & Unionist Party RIP
It's been taken over by the Conservative & Unionist Neoliberal Toxic Sect
It was a reverse takeover by the BNP, UKIP and Brexit Party. They couldn’t win at the polls, so they infiltrated the empty carcass of a once mighty beast. They managed to fool the public until the stench of decomposing moral fibre became overpowering.
I have a furtive, existential worry that the circus of present British politics is just another symptom of a deeper and lethal global malaise
Like a comical yellow face revealing a failing liver
We need Nostraleondamus to tell us how it's all going to play out.
I have absolutely no fucking idea. And I don’t often say that!
As a distraction - for any railway fans - and I know PB has a few - this Train I’m on is probably the most impressive train journey I have done in my life. In terms of beauty per mile
It is insanely expensive (ok I’m not paying but I’ve asked) and yet probably worth it
Seattle now has worst air quality of any major urban center in world with AQI = 236 = very unhealthy.
Which is BETTER than some areas north & east of city, which are 300 plus = hazardous
What happened to the rain? Did the gods not accept your sacrifices?
No rain forecast until Friday. We've had virtually zilch since June.
Unfortunately, the totem poles need to redress this situation, were stolen by some upper-class English twits a century or more ago, and are now in the British Museum.
I have a furtive, existential worry that the circus of present British politics is just another symptom of a deeper and lethal global malaise
Like a comical yellow face revealing a failing liver
We need Nostraleondamus to tell us how it's all going to play out.
I have absolutely no fucking idea. And I don’t often say that!
As a distraction - for any railway fans - and I know PB has a few - this Train I’m on is probably the most impressive train journey I have done in my life. In terms of beauty per mile
It is insanely expensive (ok I’m not paying but I’ve asked) and yet probably worth it
Seriously, Tory MPs looking for the least painful way out of this: tell Truss to resign and ask Theresa May to take over as PM while you work out how to change the leadership election rules.
I am no fan of May but if you aren't going vote for Christmas by calling a GE, it's the least worst option for the country and certainly for your party.
But nothing can start to be fixed until Truss is no longer PM.
She has to go. The healing can’t really start until they all go. Personal self interest is the only thing holding the Tory majority together. Without it no replacement could command a majority. They hate Sunak. They hate Mourdaunt. There is no coherent safety first policy.
They need to go.
The most important point is this: the party membership needs shooting like the rabid senile witless dog it effectively is. There is no more tory party until we can be sure future leaders will not be selected by drooling near-fascist twentyfive quidder pig shagging fuckwits like H*U*D.
Except I voted for Sunak and I note amongst Tory 2019 voters tonight Boris is still the preferred Tory leader according to a Peston poll. It was Tory MPs not members who removed Boris
Boris resigned. MPs backed him in the no confidence vote.
But nothing can start to be fixed until Truss is no longer PM.
She has to go. The healing can’t really start until they all go. Personal self interest is the only thing holding the Tory majority together. Without it no replacement could command a majority. They hate Sunak. They hate Mourdaunt. There is no coherent safety first policy.
They need to go.
The most important point is this: the party membership needs shooting like the rabid senile witless dog it effectively is. There is no more tory party until we can be sure future leaders will not be selected by drooling near-fascist twentyfive quidder pig shagging fuckwits like H*U*D.
Except I voted for Sunak and I note amongst Tory 2019 voters tonight Boris is still the preferred Tory leader according to a Peston poll. It was Tory MPs not members who removed Boris
As a Tory, could you see Boris’s return?
He is desperate for it but it is not going to happen
It's all imploded far too early for him.
He wanted a steady 18 months of decline under Truss followed by panic six months out from the GE and a call to bring him back as an election winner.
I have a furtive, existential worry that the circus of present British politics is just another symptom of a deeper and lethal global malaise
Like a comical yellow face revealing a failing liver
The practical part of this is that if you imagine Truss taking over in a world where Putin decided not to invade Russia, there's not nearly as much inflation, the borrowing outlook is much better, she can probably cut taxes without the markets freaking out and doesn't bother with the fracking thing. So she did some popular tax-cutting, and now she just got rid of her shitty Home Secretary over her emails. I'm not saying it would be going well, but it wouldn't be looking disastrous.
Basically a global economic war puts a lot more stress on everything else, as you'd expect.
But nothing can start to be fixed until Truss is no longer PM.
She has to go. The healing can’t really start until they all go. Personal self interest is the only thing holding the Tory majority together. Without it no replacement could command a majority. They hate Sunak. They hate Mourdaunt. There is no coherent safety first policy.
They need to go.
The most important point is this: the party membership needs shooting like the rabid senile witless dog it effectively is. There is no more tory party until we can be sure future leaders will not be selected by drooling near-fascist twentyfive quidder pig shagging fuckwits like H*U*D.
Except I voted for Sunak and I note amongst Tory 2019 voters tonight Boris is still the preferred Tory leader according to a Peston poll. It was Tory MPs not members who removed Boris
Boris resigned. MPs backed him in the no confidence vote.
But nothing can start to be fixed until Truss is no longer PM.
She has to go. The healing can’t really start until they all go. Personal self interest is the only thing holding the Tory majority together. Without it no replacement could command a majority. They hate Sunak. They hate Mourdaunt. There is no coherent safety first policy.
They need to go.
The most important point is this: the party membership needs shooting like the rabid senile witless dog it effectively is. There is no more tory party until we can be sure future leaders will not be selected by drooling near-fascist twentyfive quidder pig shagging fuckwits like H*U*D.
Except I voted for Sunak and I note amongst Tory 2019 voters tonight Boris is still the preferred Tory leader according to a Peston poll. It was Tory MPs not members who removed Boris
As a Tory, could you see Boris’s return?
He is desperate for it but it is not going to happen
It's all imploded far too early for him.
He wanted a steady 18 months of decline under Truss followed by panic six months out from the GE and a call to bring him back as an election winner.
The Conservative & Unionist Party The Russian army The Oaf
But nothing can start to be fixed until Truss is no longer PM.
She has to go. The healing can’t really start until they all go. Personal self interest is the only thing holding the Tory majority together. Without it no replacement could command a majority. They hate Sunak. They hate Mourdaunt. There is no coherent safety first policy.
They need to go.
The most important point is this: the party membership needs shooting like the rabid senile witless dog it effectively is. There is no more tory party until we can be sure future leaders will not be selected by drooling near-fascist twentyfive quidder pig shagging fuckwits like H*U*D.
Except I voted for Sunak and I note amongst Tory 2019 voters tonight Boris is still the preferred Tory leader according to a Peston poll. It was Tory MPs not members who removed Boris
You miss the point. Boris would never have been PM in the first place, given a sane, moral and adult electorate.
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There comes a point where a reputation is simply beyond restoration. This is no longer a Lab 1979, Con 1997 or Lab 2010 level of tarnish.
I know it's easy to get caught up in the moment but could we be seeing some kind of epochal political change here?
Places with genuinely non-functioning governments would scoff at mere executive dysfunction.
What we need now is probably a new election so that we can move on to the next phase.
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Those loyal this morning now can’t say they still support her
Comes after @BloombergUK reported Badenoch, Malthouse on resignation watch
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-10-19/truss-s-ailing-government-sinks-to-new-low-in-commons-vote-chaos
Even Fred and Shaw played well
Technocracy = economy
For example, it's clear that Scotland would be poorer outside the UK, but many people consider that a price worth paying for self determination.
Brexit entailed the same price, and only a fool would have been unaware of it. Whether it was a price worth paying is very much up for debate.
But the important point is to distinguish the brexit/sovereignty argument/cost from the much wider global financial crisis we are in now. Brexit is largely irrelevant to that crisis, as borne out by US and EU market data.
Only loons and fanatics want to bring the conversation about the main problems the UK now faces back to brexit. The simple fact is we are where we are, and it's almost identical to where we would have been had we voted to remain.
One of them has to agree to defer and allow the other to be PM.
As Sunak was the actual runner up then he should be PM and Mordunt the deputy and FO.
FFS. How difficult is this? We are in a proxy war with a nuclear power FFS.
The Conservative party are completely ungovernable now. They are entirely incapable of providing government for the country over the next two years.
If, nevertheless, they stagger on for 18 more months
- or longer! - in several varieties of complete chaos, with inflation in double figures and everything else that is to come, they would have the prospect of beating Theresa May's unenviable record for national vote share that she set in the 2019 European elections. They're sunk, not Mary Rose sunk and will be rescued by archaeologists in a few centuries to be exhibited in a museum sunk, but sunk right to the bottom of the Marianas trench sunk.
Remember, we're in the period where Hunt is supposedly the calm hand on the tiller, the power behind the throne who is going to bring stability back to government, and then today happens. No government has ever been this far beyond repair in British history before. There is no way back this side of a general election and a bitter multi-year struggle for control of the party.
Two years more of this! Like one of those tragic opera deaths who just refuses to die.
Prime Minister > Kermit the Frog (aka GOF)
Deputy PM and Chief Whip > Miss Piggy
Chancellor of the Exchequer > Fozie Bear
Foreign Secretary > Dr Julius Strangepork
Home Secretary > Gonzo the Great
Defense Secretary > Animal
Justice Secretary/Lord Chancellor > Bert and Ernie
SS for Business & Trade > Rizzo the Rat
SS for Environment > Oscar the Grouch
SS for Education > Elmo
SS for Health > Link Hogthrob
SS for Science > Dr Bensen Honeydew (w Beaker as UnderSec)
SS for Culture > Dr Teeth
SS for Agriculture > Henrietta Chicken (or Attila the Hen?)
SS for Transport > Big Bird
SS for Leveling Up > Cookie Monster
SSs for Woke & Multiculturalism > Janice and Swedish Chef
Leader of the House of Commons > Scooter
Certainly doubt recent shambles in HoC would have happened with Miss Piggy as Chief Whip!
And that sums up Scott perfectly.
Who the hell would put together a manifesto for them today and what on earth would it have in it?
I think the depth of chaos today does make a 2023 election more likely, a next Tory government that is essentially semi-technocratic finding a landing zone where 150+ seats can be saved, but the fractiousness under the surface could explode if they go on any longer.
It makes any future Tory challenge on Labour competence impossible. There will be immediate comeback.
Has a flat cut punt
Not a punt cut flat
But a flat cut punt.
Like a comical yellow face revealing a failing liver
Viktor Orbán
@PM_ViktorOrban
They tell me Russian gas is bad. They tell me we should stop buying it. But nobody tells us how to replace Russian gas. Not in five years, but tomorrow. We need to run our economy, it’s as simple as that.
https://twitter.com/PM_ViktorOrban/status/1582792844565446657
He should make it very clear every Tory MP voting to continue this shambles is a culpable accessory. Let Tories abstain if they cannot directly vote to bring down their own government.
But that it is even a prospect is astonishing.
They need to go.
@iainmartin1
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Boris Johnson's fault. Blew up his own premiership in successive acts of epic idiocy, then he insisted in a huff Sunak had to be stopped, and all his friends insisted it must be so, and the result was Liz Truss in Number 10. Well done everyone involved.
Conservative & Unionist Party RIP
Both still trail Starmer though Johnson gets to 30% and Sunak 27% head to head
https://twitter.com/itvpeston/status/1582810159331803137?s=20&t=g1is5R42-IiZqyedJhlAEA
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The contrast between the Westminster chaos on the BBC News and the report on people suffering with food inflation is breathtaking. I'm not sure the Govt would poll in double figures now.
Short of PM trying to cling to power by leading attack on Palace of Westminster, that is. NOT than I'm ruling it out.
I think they'll be lucky to come out with a 1997 result
Con 73%
Lab 12%
LD 12%
SNP 3%
A lot of the models say SNP has a better chance than this, but I only see a very narrow window between the Tories losing enough of their seats to bring the SNP into play without the LDs picking up enough to almost immediately close that option off.
Today was so stark and so grotesque its now inevitable
How can one woman single-handedly destroy an entire political party?
Seattle now has worst air quality of any major urban center in world with AQI = 236 = very unhealthy.
Which is BETTER than some areas north & east of city, which are 300 plus = hazardous
The Tories have manage to trash themselves before that even happens over the next year or so.
If the English start to detest the Tories too, we can maybe rebuild trust.
17% was May's lowest. Wouldn't be surprised if they poll below 15% soon, especially with the right-wing pushing the coup angle.
Two fuckers down.
Dont forget the family influence on her either. Personally things must be so stinkingly bad for this woman's general life that someone close to home might just tell her to turn it in.
Members are the toxic part of this disaster for the party
Ouch! Wish I hadn't asked now.
In appearance she reminds slightly of my late mother when she was in her late 40s. She doesn't look robust and I'm sure all this hate and stress will be taking a big toll...
But at the end of day she put herself forward to be PM when it was clear to everyone (even her) that she wasn't up to it.
I don't want to be cruel and heap further misery on her on here... I just hope for her well-being she realize's the game's up and resigns tomorrow.
Meanwhile only ~18000 have signed the Independent's petition calling for a GE.
Unfortunately, the totem poles need to redress this situation, were stolen by some upper-class English twits a century or more ago, and are now in the British Museum.
https://twitter.com/itvpeston/status/1582810159331803137?s=20&t=g1is5R42-IiZqyedJhlAEA
As a distraction - for any railway fans - and I know PB has a few - this Train I’m on is probably the most impressive train journey I have done in my life. In terms of beauty per mile
It is insanely expensive (ok I’m not paying but I’ve asked) and yet probably worth it
I am no fan of May but if you aren't going vote for Christmas by calling a GE, it's the least worst option for the country and certainly for your party.
He wanted a steady 18 months of decline under Truss followed by panic six months out from the GE and a call to bring him back as an election winner.
Basically a global economic war puts a lot more stress on everything else, as you'd expect.
The Russian army
The Oaf
That’s 3 fuckers buggered.
Good day. A very good day.