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  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,895

    You were right. No punches being pulled on local Radio.

    Somebody should produce a compilaton.

    Financial crisis? What financial crisis?
    Cost of mortgages going up? Don’t know anything about that.
    It’s global, nothing to do with us.
    But let me tell you how we’re going to cap heating bills.
    A dozen prime-ministerial interviews boiled down to 280 characters
  • Eabhal said:

    Eabhal said:

    It's funny how many of the posters on here who screeched and wailed about the evils of Europe and desired Brexit above everything else, are now condemning the government that gave them exactly what you wanted.

    Your desire for Brexit got us extremists into government. Each PM has been more 'extreme' than the last: but it did not matter, as long as you got Brexit.

    Although I bet most of you are fairly well-off, and so won't suffer too much in the economic downturn *your* perverted dream has caused.

    Not sure about the causality here. I think this particular fuck up is discrete.

    At the base of it is a concern about productivity, and that has been a problem ever since the Great Recession, not Brexit.

    (I think Brexit was also a cock up, fyi)
    Also, @JosiasJessop, I'm very keen that we form a Grand Alliance of Remainers and Brexiteers to ensure a Labour majority. Let's not divide down Brexit lines at this time of opportunity.
    Brexit is not the issue here. That remains fixable. The issue are the *causes* of Brexit. The Minford smash everything pirate capitalists, the mouth-foamers on Tory benches obsessed with the EU being evil. The media moguls looking for favour with their people at the very very top.

    And the voters of this country, sick of being ignored. Sick of being told they don't understand. Sick of being out of control of their own lives.

    We can fix the first block. Cull the Tory MPs and expel the lunatics to fringe nowhere as Starmer has done with Momentum and the cultists. But the second block is harder. They voted to make things better, for most things either stayed the same or got worse, and now things will get an awful lot worse.

    For all that they complained they were ignored as too stupid to understand, this is reality. Most of us don't understand, its just that many of us here are smart enough to recognise and accept that. The Blair anecdote of the angry man saying "you think you know more about Europe than I do" to which Blair responded "well I do don't I", having done x,y,z etc

    There remains a risk that someone comes along to distil this anger and disconnection down into something worse than Brexit. As the fascists have just done in Italy.
    I don't want a massive Labour landslide. The last thing we need are a bunch of people such as Jared O'Mara getting seats - people who put their name forward and then surprisingly win. Picking a figure out of the air: an 80-seat majority should be enough to get stuff done, but also keep Starmer and Labour from going too far.

    I'm also still concerned about the Corbynites in Labour, though that concern is slowly decreasing as people like Jones continue to make pillocks of themselves.

    And Rupa Huq's recent stupidity/nastiness (delete as applicable) shows that Labour isn't exactly fully sane, either.
    We won't get a massive Labour landslide. There are roughly 100 seats where the LibDems are not only in 2nd but seem like a more obvious fit for the local demographics. And we have the SNP who own Scotland. So the Blair landslides seem very unlikely - the "not the bloody Tories" motivation will drive tactical voting. Which if the Tory vote really does collapse could see all kinds of mad winners. More greens perhaps. And even REFUK if they go after classy places like Clacton and Thurrock with a "your Brexit has been stolen" message. Farage could win Folkestone with his "I'm on a boat looking for the forrin" message.
    You might be correct: but "We won't get a massive Labour landslide." was also said in 1997.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,154
    Carnyx said:

    kle4 said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    God she is useless

    She has to U turn.

    I don't think MPs will remove her no matter what, swapping out the leader and PM so soon would rightly look shambolic, but they're not going to vote for half of this.
    I presume the 'Special Financial Operation' has to be voted through the HoC even though it's 'not a budget, oh no'?
    Didn't she slip up and use the B word live on radio? ... ,yes, she did.

    Paul Waugh

    'Truss just referred to "the Budget". Finally admitting its true description, rather than the fake one devised to avoid OBR independent assessment'

    https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1575387689771302912?cxt=HHwWgIC8hbqw89wrAAAA
    Shame she's taken a stupid position and won't budge it.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Sooo out of her depth
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,528
    So working age benefits up by earnings and pensions up by inflation. The Tories are finished. Any working age person voting for these bunch of c-words needs their head examined.
  • I can't get my head around HOW STUPID the government currently is....

    Someone needs to start an intervention.

    The fact that people like MaxPB, Casino Royale, and myself are all contemplating voting Labour at the next election tells you how bad this government is.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,895
    Liz Truss is literally unable to defend the 45p tax cut. When asked about it she pivots away to energy bill support. So if she can't even talk about it, how does she think she can sell it to the British people.
    https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1575394886815301634
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,123
    Oh this is good:

    https://iea.org.uk/low-interest-rates-are-not-an-argument-for-more-government-borrowing/

    Low interest rates are not an argument for more government borrowing
    G. R. STEELE 7 MARCH 2017
    The announcement by Phillip Hammond that there will be no Budget spending sprees is to be welcomed. When interest rates are low and economic activity is below the full employment level, it has become a familiar canard that the government should borrow in order to spend its way to growth. Where the lay public and its politicians might be excused for warming to the idea, others ought to know better. It is a matter of regret that so many economists are inclined to give professional support to the idea.

  • The problem is there is simply no defence, no defence whatsoever for the 45p tax change.

    Other than, we want rich people to be richer... thats it...
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    I can't afford food...

    ...we have provided energy support
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,513
    kle4 said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    God she is useless

    She has to U turn.

    I don't think MPs will remove her no matter what, swapping out the leader and PM so soon would rightly look shambolic, but they're not going to vote for half of this.
    Would it be less shambolic than what we have now, and what might follow their voting down the Chancellor's measures ?
    Wallace installed as PM ought to be uncontroversial, as he's not of any faction, and doesn't covet the job. And Sunak would be the only realistic choice as Chancellor, since he's the only candidate completely up to speed with the Treasury job.

    It might allow several dozen more MPs to retain their seats at the next election.
    Along with averting further economic damage.
  • Scott_xP said:

    This is a chart of the UK government bond market while Liz Truss has been on air

    - investors are worried by her comments, are selling gilts and the yields rise.

    - short version: they’re not reassured by her doubling down
    https://twitter.com/kitty_donaldson/status/1575391509549023233/photo/1

    BoE to up its buying rate later this morning?

    What a clusterfeck she is. As predicted by so many of us on PB - an utter, walking disaster generating machine.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,895
    BBC Stoke's @johnacres48: Is it time to reverse what you've done?

    Truss: "No it isn't."

    Again claims that the "vast majority" of what was announced was the energy bill support. Except that wasn't in the mini-budget which has tanked the pound and threatened pensions.

    https://twitter.com/MattChorley/status/1575394615779278849
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,639
    MaxPB said:

    So working age benefits up by earnings and pensions up by inflation. The Tories are finished. Any working age person voting for these bunch of c-words needs their head examined.

    How does that work? Public sector have been thereastened with a freeze, but some sectors eg rail have had some increase agreed. How doe you define earnings-related increase?
  • Scott_xP said:

    James Hanson stops Truss: that is the same scripted answer you have given to every station; Bank of England intervention is unprecedented
    https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1575392087524184064

    That was the other risk of doing eight successive interviews rather than one big one. Of course the final interviewer would be aware of what had been said before.

    Also- isn't it brilliant that interviews on local radio can move financial markets? Bet that couldn't have happened before the internet.
    As I posted earlier, whichever moron in No10 dreamed this up deserves a medal. I anticipated she would get scratchy during the 16 TV interviews which follow radio. Yet she's already so bad that she is tanking the markets. Again. Think what the TV interviews will bring out of her?
  • Scott_xP said:

    You were right. No punches being pulled on local Radio.

    Somebody should produce a compilaton.

    Financial crisis? What financial crisis?
    Cost of mortgages going up? Don’t know anything about that.
    It’s global, nothing to do with us.
    But let me tell you how we’re going to cap heating bills.
    A dozen prime-ministerial interviews boiled down to 280 characters
    It's beginning to feel like the end of the Tory Party.

    Didn't expect that in my lifetime.
  • boulay said:

    Surely there must be a large amount of non-wealthy Tory MPs who are looking at the Polls, listening to Truss, looking at unemployment in two years, working out that their mortgage increase coupled with their downgraded income possibilities and realising that they are buggered and their only slight chance of keeping their jobs and paying the mortgage is to risk a change of PM.

    The damage has been done. Even if the Tories dumped Truss today, the brand has been badly affected. And there aren’t enough Tory MPs to form a government by the time the Johnsonites and Trussites have both been excluded and/or go and sit in a sulk.
    When we look back we will wonder just how a government with a majority of 80 all elected on the same broad ideological bent (Brexit/levelling up) managed to f**k up so spectacularly in less than 3 years.

  • I can't get my head around HOW STUPID the government currently is....

    Someone needs to start an intervention.

    The fact that people like MaxPB, Casino Royale, and myself are all contemplating voting Labour at the next election tells you how bad this government is.
    Count me in on it, well the lib dems where I am, but this cannot be defended.
  • MaxPB said:

    So working age benefits up by earnings and pensions up by inflation. The Tories are finished. Any working age person voting for these bunch of c-words needs their head examined.

    It's criminal. I'm looking forward to my first demonstration since 1982.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,895
    John Acres on BBC Stoke gets to it, saying we'll pay more in mortgage costs than we get in tax cuts/energy.

    Truss: "I don't think anyone is saying we shouldn't have intervened in energy."

    https://twitter.com/michaelsavage/status/1575394253676609536
  • Carnyx said:

    MaxPB said:

    So working age benefits up by earnings and pensions up by inflation. The Tories are finished. Any working age person voting for these bunch of c-words needs their head examined.

    How does that work? Public sector have been thereastened with a freeze, but some sectors eg rail have had some increase agreed. How doe you define earnings-related increase?
    It'll be the average. Which might be as low as 3%. I don't know.

    They will be civil disorder if this finance bill passes.

  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,895
    Just Liz Truss getting owned, every seven minutes in a different county. Every day should start like this
    https://twitter.com/alicevjones/status/1575395076544544768
  • Liz will certainly need to raise her game for the Party conf, whereas T May had a great start in Sep '16 (red, White and Blue BREXIT) Liz has absolutely nothing and cant even celebrate HM Queen with the anthem as Labour beat them to it. Does anyone know if BJ is going?
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,528
    Carnyx said:

    MaxPB said:

    So working age benefits up by earnings and pensions up by inflation. The Tories are finished. Any working age person voting for these bunch of c-words needs their head examined.

    How does that work? Public sector have been thereastened with a freeze, but some sectors eg rail have had some increase agreed. How doe you define earnings-related increase?
    The ONS produces monthly metrics on earnings growth.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,895
    "People are no longer worried about whether they can heat their homes, they're worried about whether they can keep their homes" - @sarahjulianotts, BBC Radio Nottingham

    That's the soundbite.

    https://twitter.com/AlexSelbyB/status/1575390493638381569
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,639

    MaxPB said:

    So working age benefits up by earnings and pensions up by inflation. The Tories are finished. Any working age person voting for these bunch of c-words needs their head examined.

    It's criminal. I'm looking forward to my first demonstration since 1982.
    Which will also be criminal, thanks to this same party and its previous administration ...
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,895
    I wonder if the Brains Trust realised that City Traders can listen to local radio on the internet too because its not nineteen-thirty-fuckin-six
    https://twitter.com/gordonguthrie/status/1575393918606254082
  • Foxy said:

    Heathener said:

    moonshine said:

    Daily Mail online has homed in on the derivative mechanics behind DB pensions, multiple articles this morning. Narrow escape. This is the angle the govt should try and argue from if they want to live to fight another day.

    Incidentally, the big bank mortgage lenders are still advertising 5 year fixes some 300bps below swap curves. The likes of Lloyds, Barclays, Natwest. One would hope all the drama has encouraged people nearing the ends of their term to arrange an early remortgage. Of course in the final 3 mths it’s a simple login>click box>done. Earlier than that it’s an early repayment charge, which in the final year will be worth it in just about every case.

    Let us see where base rates really peak at. It feels to me rather like economic reality is catching up with the world economy and the rates cycle will peak and turn far sooner than the Fed and markets expect. We’re having the recession that was supposed to happen before covid came along. Which of course caused a massive technical recession but because of the unprecedented global bail out, we didn’t see the economic adjustment mechanisms clicking into place to reset things.

    I agree with an earlier poster, in the UK context Starmer will be coming to power at just the right time.

    The Daily Mail thought this budget/statement was great "proper Tory budget" and wanted more, more, more.

    It is not exactly an impartial reporter, but keep reading what you want to believe...
    Yep, for months they and the Daily Express have been egging on Truss to be a 'proper' tory and bring about tax cuts.

    Now that the disaster of this stupidity is unfolding they've spent the week headlining with other stories.

    You can be right-of-centre and still be analytical and truthful. The Daily Telegraph today is particularly good (check out Jeremy Warner's piece).

    The Daily Mail bears part of the blame for this crisis. Liz Truss was too weak or too stupid to stand up to them. She, and they, fed the membership what they wanted to hear. Something which bore no relation to the current economic or fiscal situation. A truthful tory campaign agenda would have promised tax cuts as soon as we can afford them, which isn't now.
    Good morning

    The conservative party has sealed its fate and will be out of office for a long time

    However, there are two issues here that need to be recognised

    Starmer has endorsed the 19% tax rate and the abolition of the NI rise at a total cost of 20 billion, all borrowed money, and he has already allocated the other 2 billion of money raised from the reduction in the 45% rate again borrowed money which contradicts his demand to cancel the mini budget

    Labour will be the next government but will be facing large tax rises and cuts in the public sector, but not just due to the idiotic behaviour of Kwarteng and Truss, but the worldwide rout in the bond markets causing financial mayhem across the globe

    The fact is Russia invading Ukraine in an act of war which seems to have no end is going to make the west very much poorer and the strains will show for years, even decades

    Starmer and labour will inherit a poisoned chalice and they will have extremely difficult decisions to make
    The basic rate tax cut to 19% isn't really a tax cut because of the freezing of thresholds. If inflation is over 5%, the tax take actually increases in real terms. It would have been more tax raising without the cut, but is still a revenue raiser.

    Certainly Labour will inherit a poor financial position and have difficult decisions to make, but the 19% rate is not a particularly big problem.
    It is still part of the borrowed unfunded tax cuts and the narrative

    I think we all need to recognise that the next labour government will be having to increase taxes and cut public spending in something that will be very difficult for them
    No it isn't. The non altering of the tax free allowance swallows up the 1 p rax cut. Its probably neutral.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,513

    Eabhal said:

    Eabhal said:

    It's funny how many of the posters on here who screeched and wailed about the evils of Europe and desired Brexit above everything else, are now condemning the government that gave them exactly what you wanted.

    Your desire for Brexit got us extremists into government. Each PM has been more 'extreme' than the last: but it did not matter, as long as you got Brexit.

    Although I bet most of you are fairly well-off, and so won't suffer too much in the economic downturn *your* perverted dream has caused.

    Not sure about the causality here. I think this particular fuck up is discrete.

    At the base of it is a concern about productivity, and that has been a problem ever since the Great Recession, not Brexit.

    (I think Brexit was also a cock up, fyi)
    Also, @JosiasJessop, I'm very keen that we form a Grand Alliance of Remainers and Brexiteers to ensure a Labour majority. Let's not divide down Brexit lines at this time of opportunity.
    Brexit is not the issue here. That remains fixable. The issue are the *causes* of Brexit. The Minford smash everything pirate capitalists, the mouth-foamers on Tory benches obsessed with the EU being evil. The media moguls looking for favour with their people at the very very top.

    And the voters of this country, sick of being ignored. Sick of being told they don't understand. Sick of being out of control of their own lives.

    We can fix the first block. Cull the Tory MPs and expel the lunatics to fringe nowhere as Starmer has done with Momentum and the cultists. But the second block is harder. They voted to make things better, for most things either stayed the same or got worse, and now things will get an awful lot worse.

    For all that they complained they were ignored as too stupid to understand, this is reality. Most of us don't understand, its just that many of us here are smart enough to recognise and accept that. The Blair anecdote of the angry man saying "you think you know more about Europe than I do" to which Blair responded "well I do don't I", having done x,y,z etc

    There remains a risk that someone comes along to distil this anger and disconnection down into something worse than Brexit. As the fascists have just done in Italy.
    I don't want a massive Labour landslide. The last thing we need are a bunch of people such as Jared O'Mara getting seats - people who put their name forward and then surprisingly win. Picking a figure out of the air: an 80-seat majority should be enough to get stuff done, but also keep Starmer and Labour from going too far.

    I'm also still concerned about the Corbynites in Labour, though that concern is slowly decreasing as people like Jones continue to make pillocks of themselves.

    And Rupa Huq's recent stupidity/nastiness (delete as applicable) shows that Labour isn't exactly fully sane, either.
    Too true, JJ. I'm hoping the win is slim enough that they do actually have to introduce PR, which I think would help a lot with a fundamental issue.

    Blair could have done it, but when he saw the size of his majority it went on the backburner.
    Yes, Starmer's "it's just not a priority" (ie I'm not going to allow it) is a serious disappointment.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    ydoethur said:

    Scott_xP said:

    These Radio interviews are like a series of consecutive car crashes.

    Shouldn't the Police pull her over?

    She's high on something...
    Self-beleive.

    Shared by no-one else.
    High on her own (money) supply?
    She doesn't sound high or messianic. More defeated
  • IshmaelZ said:

    I can't afford food...

    ...we have provided energy support

    We can afford to give those earning more than £100K a cut in tax amounting in many cases to several thousand £.

    But we cannot afford to uprate survival level benefits by the rate of inflation.

    This is just fecking evil shit.

  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,639

    Carnyx said:

    MaxPB said:

    So working age benefits up by earnings and pensions up by inflation. The Tories are finished. Any working age person voting for these bunch of c-words needs their head examined.

    How does that work? Public sector have been thereastened with a freeze, but some sectors eg rail have had some increase agreed. How doe you define earnings-related increase?
    It'll be the average. Which might be as low as 3%. I don't know.

    They will be civil disorder if this finance bill passes.

    It's all the odder because state pension IS a 'benefit' as well, so the inequity and pandering to Outer Party members is all too blatant.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 12,720
    Two things that were very obvious this week as soon as they were announced:

    1. Russia was obviously the culprit for the Nordstream sabotage
    2. Truss made a key stage 1 style blunder deciding to do a series of local radio interviews
  • Scott_xP said:

    You were right. No punches being pulled on local Radio.

    Somebody should produce a compilaton.

    Financial crisis? What financial crisis?
    Cost of mortgages going up? Don’t know anything about that.
    It’s global, nothing to do with us.
    But let me tell you how we’re going to cap heating bills.
    A dozen prime-ministerial interviews boiled down to 280 characters
    It's beginning to feel like the end of the Tory Party.

    Didn't expect that in my lifetime.
    The Conservative Party always has been undead. It constantly reinvents itself, borrowing/stealing ideas from the other parties as society changes. There'll be a new, hopefully sane, iteration along in a few years.

    Whereas Labour is less keen to change - hence why they elected a leader whose viewpoints and beliefs were at least forty years out of date. And I guess will again in a few years. And why they hark back to the good old days of BR and nationalised industries.
  • CD13CD13 Posts: 6,364
    Mr Z,

    "Can you guarantee our listeners' pensions are safe?"

    A question guaranteed to annoy me, because it's meaningless. No one can guarantee anything 100%. Can you guarantee you'll be alive tomorrow? No. Can you guarantee the world will exist tomorrow? No one can. That is a fact of life.

    There is no accurate way of answering that question apart from saying No. So why ask it? It's not clever or witty, or even worthwhile. I know I come over all 'Sheldon Cooper' but it's my scientific background. I suspect I was never made to be a journalist.
  • The problem is there is simply no defence, no defence whatsoever for the 45p tax change.

    Other than, we want rich people to be richer... thats it...

    Well, other than her usual: it was my idea and all my ideas are brilliant and if you can't see that you are a lefty hedge fund manager or someone thick like the head of the IMF.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,895
    Which is why I’m wondering if she is really going to lead the Tories in the next general election. How is that going to work? How is she going to do any campaigning? None of these issues are likely going to be forgotten by the public by 2024
    https://twitter.com/juliamacfarlane/status/1575396300325109761
    https://twitter.com/jenwilliamsmen/status/1575395823256567808
  • (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    2m
    That was an utter disaster for Liz Truss. But there was no way it couldn't have been a disaster. There is nothing left to debate now. She either reverses course, or she gets wiped out politically. Those are the choices she faces.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,412
    Ed Davey must be excited about being the official Leader of the Opposition after the election.

    Sir Ed v Sir Keir, sounds very Game of Thrones.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,895
    .@jhansonradio should clip this exchange asap for the snigger alone.
    Hanson: business wants to know what support after 6 months.
    Truss: "On the one hand you're saying you don't like the package, on the other you're saying people need more energy support [laughs 'hehe']."

    https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1575396909728075776
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    I can't get my head around HOW STUPID the government currently is....

    Someone needs to start an intervention.

    The fact that people like MaxPB, Casino Royale, and myself are all contemplating voting Labour at the next election tells you how bad this government is.
    Count me in on it, well the lib dems where I am, but this cannot be defended.
    And me (Lib Dems).
  • Jennifer Williams
    @JenWilliamsMEN
    ·
    3m
    Replying to
    @JenWilliamsMEN
    If her advisers thought this would be the easy media option, I think today has proved that isn’t the case. There be dragons

    https://twitter.com/JenWilliamsMEN/status/1575396228271161345
  • Scott_xP said:

    You were right. No punches being pulled on local Radio.

    Somebody should produce a compilaton.

    Financial crisis? What financial crisis?
    Cost of mortgages going up? Don’t know anything about that.
    It’s global, nothing to do with us.
    But let me tell you how we’re going to cap heating bills.
    A dozen prime-ministerial interviews boiled down to 280 characters
    It's beginning to feel like the end of the Tory Party.

    Didn't expect that in my lifetime.
    The Conservative Party always has been undead. It constantly reinvents itself, borrowing/stealing ideas from the other parties as society changes. There'll be a new, hopefully sane, iteration along in a few years.

    Whereas Labour is less keen to change - hence why they elected a leader whose viewpoints and beliefs were at least forty years out of date. And I guess will again in a few years. And why they hark back to the good old days of BR and nationalised industries.
    Oh I think they were more out of date than that, JJ.

    No matter. Labour looks half-sensible at the moment, which is just as well.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,154
    IshmaelZ said:

    ydoethur said:

    Scott_xP said:

    These Radio interviews are like a series of consecutive car crashes.

    Shouldn't the Police pull her over?

    She's high on something...
    Self-beleive.

    Shared by no-one else.
    High on her own (money) supply?
    She doesn't sound high or messianic. More defeated
    It is a real shame Tory members did not make her sound that way the day the leadership result was announced.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 12,720

    Scott_xP said:

    You were right. No punches being pulled on local Radio.

    Somebody should produce a compilaton.

    Financial crisis? What financial crisis?
    Cost of mortgages going up? Don’t know anything about that.
    It’s global, nothing to do with us.
    But let me tell you how we’re going to cap heating bills.
    A dozen prime-ministerial interviews boiled down to 280 characters
    It's beginning to feel like the end of the Tory Party.

    Didn't expect that in my lifetime.
    The Conservative Party always has been undead. It constantly reinvents itself, borrowing/stealing ideas from the other parties as society changes. There'll be a new, hopefully sane, iteration along in a few years.

    Whereas Labour is less keen to change - hence why they elected a leader whose viewpoints and beliefs were at least forty years out of date. And I guess will again in a few years. And why they hark back to the good old days of BR and nationalised industries.
    This is exactly where the Tories have come unstuck this time. Like in the late 80s with the poll tax or the 90s with back to basics, they have for once failed to read the wind direction and have plunged Corbyn-style into an anachronistic vision for Britain that nobody supports.

    Johnson's interventionist, hands on government with a bit of nationalism and populism thrown in had plenty of detractors but it definitely chimed with a section of the electorate. It was his personality, lack of attention to detail and the growing air of corruption that did for him.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,190
    edited September 2022

    Scott_xP said:

    These Radio interviews are like a series of consecutive car crashes.

    Shouldn't the Police pull her over?

    She's high on something...
    Self-beleive.

    Shared by no-one else.
    She'd have been better off focusing on the Dan Hanaan line of blaming someone else...or better still staying out of the Downing Street studio.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,513
    tlg86 said:

    Oh this is good:

    https://iea.org.uk/low-interest-rates-are-not-an-argument-for-more-government-borrowing/

    Low interest rates are not an argument for more government borrowing
    G. R. STEELE 7 MARCH 2017
    The announcement by Phillip Hammond that there will be no Budget spending sprees is to be welcomed. When interest rates are low and economic activity is below the full employment level, it has become a familiar canard that the government should borrow in order to spend its way to growth. Where the lay public and its politicians might be excused for warming to the idea, others ought to know better. It is a matter of regret that so many economists are inclined to give professional support to the idea.

    Though if he'd borrowed to build half a dozen nuclear power stations, for example, he'd be looking pretty damn smart right now.
    They were a very good argument for government borrowing to fund long term capital projects.
  • Scott_xP said:

    I wonder if the Brains Trust realised that City Traders can listen to local radio on the internet too because its not nineteen-thirty-fuckin-six
    https://twitter.com/gordonguthrie/status/1575393918606254082

    LOL
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,736
    Scott_xP said:

    Liz Truss is literally unable to defend the 45p tax cut. When asked about it she pivots away to energy bill support. So if she can't even talk about it, how does she think she can sell it to the British people.
    https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1575394886815301634

    Can't she resign for health reasons or something?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,190
    ydoethur said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    ydoethur said:

    Scott_xP said:

    These Radio interviews are like a series of consecutive car crashes.

    Shouldn't the Police pull her over?

    She's high on something...
    Self-beleive.

    Shared by no-one else.
    High on her own (money) supply?
    She doesn't sound high or messianic. More defeated
    It is a real shame Tory members did not make her sound that way the day the leadership result was announced.
    I never anticipated saying this, but can we have our BigDog back?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,513

    Scott_xP said:

    You were right. No punches being pulled on local Radio.

    Somebody should produce a compilaton.

    Financial crisis? What financial crisis?
    Cost of mortgages going up? Don’t know anything about that.
    It’s global, nothing to do with us.
    But let me tell you how we’re going to cap heating bills.
    A dozen prime-ministerial interviews boiled down to 280 characters
    It's beginning to feel like the end of the Tory Party.

    Didn't expect that in my lifetime.
    Their MPs could save it (while still probably losing the next election), if they acted now.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,639
    https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1575396909728075776?cxt=HHwWgMC4iZDJ99wrAAAA

    Paul Waugh

    She just did it on BBC Radio Bristol again. "I think [laughs] it would be helpful if you did look in the situation in other countries as well."
    Those answers to James Hanson will surely be clipped.
    It's the fiscal equivalent of @KwasiKwarteng
    laughing during Queen's funeral.

    34m
    The most telling thing in each interview is the dismissive laughter in her voice as she answers some of the questions.
    Quite revealing.


    @paulwaugh
    .@jhansonradio
    should clip this exchange asap for the snigger alone.
    Hanson: business wants to know what support after 6 months.
    Truss: "On the one hand you're saying you don't like the package, on the other you're saying people need more energy support [laughs 'hehe']."
  • If it wasn't for the fear that my future pension is about to be wiped out and my carer's allowance effectively reduced to 3p a month, then I would have thoroughly enjoyed this mornings outing by the hand-grenade.

  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,795
    edited September 2022
    boulay said:

    Ed Davey must be excited about being the official Leader of the Opposition after the election.

    Sir Ed v Sir Keir, sounds very Game of Thrones.

    List of LibDem target seats is here https://www.electionpolling.co.uk/battleground/targets/liberal-democrat

    How far down the list would they need to advance to become the opposition?

    EDIT - during the 2019 "Flight of Icarus" Swinson world tour, they wanted us to work on Harrogate (22), York Outer (60), and even Berwick-upon-Tweed (97) at various points...
  • Scott_xP said:

    You were right. No punches being pulled on local Radio.

    Somebody should produce a compilaton.

    Financial crisis? What financial crisis?
    Cost of mortgages going up? Don’t know anything about that.
    It’s global, nothing to do with us.
    But let me tell you how we’re going to cap heating bills.
    A dozen prime-ministerial interviews boiled down to 280 characters
    It's beginning to feel like the end of the Tory Party.

    Didn't expect that in my lifetime.
    The Conservative Party always has been undead. It constantly reinvents itself, borrowing/stealing ideas from the other parties as society changes. There'll be a new, hopefully sane, iteration along in a few years.

    Whereas Labour is less keen to change - hence why they elected a leader whose viewpoints and beliefs were at least forty years out of date. And I guess will again in a few years. And why they hark back to the good old days of BR and nationalised industries.
    The death of each of the main parties has been oft prophesied on here and elsewhere over the years and it has always been wrong. Under the FPTP system the party infrastructures are surprisingly resilient. This is (probably) no more the death of the Tory Party than Corbyn was going to be the death of the Labour Party, or Hague was going to destroy the Tories pre-2001, or Labour were never going to win another election in 1992.

    That said, it is a serious moment for them and they need to have a good, hard think about what they’re for when they inevitably lose office.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,639
    Nigelb said:

    tlg86 said:

    Oh this is good:

    https://iea.org.uk/low-interest-rates-are-not-an-argument-for-more-government-borrowing/

    Low interest rates are not an argument for more government borrowing
    G. R. STEELE 7 MARCH 2017
    The announcement by Phillip Hammond that there will be no Budget spending sprees is to be welcomed. When interest rates are low and economic activity is below the full employment level, it has become a familiar canard that the government should borrow in order to spend its way to growth. Where the lay public and its politicians might be excused for warming to the idea, others ought to know better. It is a matter of regret that so many economists are inclined to give professional support to the idea.

    Though if he'd borrowed to build half a dozen nuclear power stations, for example, he'd be looking pretty damn smart right now.
    They were a very good argument for government borrowing to fund long term capital projects.
    Tidal statiosn would have got him the Nobel.
  • Jeez, it seems she doesn't even understand her own energy cap judging the analysis being done on what she said this morning.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,736

    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    2m
    That was an utter disaster for Liz Truss. But there was no way it couldn't have been a disaster. There is nothing left to debate now. She either reverses course, or she gets wiped out politically. Those are the choices she faces.

    But what actually happens? Do we have a zombie government for another two years just so that Tory backbenchers can keep their jobs for a bit longer?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,275
    boulay said:

    Ed Davey must be excited about being the official Leader of the Opposition after the election.

    Sir Ed v Sir Keir, sounds very Game of Thrones.

    If there was to be a non Tory leader of the Opposition to a Starmer government it would be led by Farage not Davey, if the Tories completely collapsed Canada 1993 style and were replaced by RefUK
  • Truss was someone which never looked like PM material, but got in becuase she sold a fantasy of what people (Tory members) wanted to hear, a low tax nirvana which could never exist.

    And now she's found out in weeks, and the tory party will pay the price.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,080
    edited September 2022
    MaxPB said:

    So working age benefits up by earnings and pensions up by inflation. The Tories are finished. Any working age person voting for these bunch of c-words needs their head examined.

    Back during the 80s the pension was pegged to inflation in order to devalue it relative to earnings, there being confidence that earnings would rise more quickly than prices - and that at a time when inflation was measured with RPI.

    That's a big change in underlying economic assumptions, not to our advantage.
  • Scott_xP said:

    You were right. No punches being pulled on local Radio.

    Somebody should produce a compilaton.

    Financial crisis? What financial crisis?
    Cost of mortgages going up? Don’t know anything about that.
    It’s global, nothing to do with us.
    But let me tell you how we’re going to cap heating bills.
    A dozen prime-ministerial interviews boiled down to 280 characters
    It's beginning to feel like the end of the Tory Party.

    Didn't expect that in my lifetime.
    The Conservative Party always has been undead. It constantly reinvents itself, borrowing/stealing ideas from the other parties as society changes. There'll be a new, hopefully sane, iteration along in a few years.

    Whereas Labour is less keen to change - hence why they elected a leader whose viewpoints and beliefs were at least forty years out of date. And I guess will again in a few years. And why they hark back to the good old days of BR and nationalised industries.
    That requires some sort of nucleus for a sane Conservatism to form round. In the past that's always been identifiable. Think of Thatcher's promotion of people like Hesteltine or Pattern. Howard did the same for Cameron.

    The series of purges since 2016 make it much harder to see how the Conservatives can be led back from la la land, even after a defeat. Look at what's happened to the US Republicans.

    Are there any sound money/ decent to your neighbour / unobsessed with Woke Conservatives worth watching out for?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,513
    Carnyx said:

    Nigelb said:

    tlg86 said:

    Oh this is good:

    https://iea.org.uk/low-interest-rates-are-not-an-argument-for-more-government-borrowing/

    Low interest rates are not an argument for more government borrowing
    G. R. STEELE 7 MARCH 2017
    The announcement by Phillip Hammond that there will be no Budget spending sprees is to be welcomed. When interest rates are low and economic activity is below the full employment level, it has become a familiar canard that the government should borrow in order to spend its way to growth. Where the lay public and its politicians might be excused for warming to the idea, others ought to know better. It is a matter of regret that so many economists are inclined to give professional support to the idea.

    Though if he'd borrowed to build half a dozen nuclear power stations, for example, he'd be looking pretty damn smart right now.
    They were a very good argument for government borrowing to fund long term capital projects.
    Tidal stations would have got him the Nobel.
    The shame is those opportunities will likely not come again for at the very least a decade, probably decades.
    If we're going to build anything now, we'll be paying real money for it.
  • Scott_xP said:

    You were right. No punches being pulled on local Radio.

    Somebody should produce a compilaton.

    Financial crisis? What financial crisis?
    Cost of mortgages going up? Don’t know anything about that.
    It’s global, nothing to do with us.
    But let me tell you how we’re going to cap heating bills.
    A dozen prime-ministerial interviews boiled down to 280 characters
    It's beginning to feel like the end of the Tory Party.

    Didn't expect that in my lifetime.
    The Conservative Party always has been undead. It constantly reinvents itself, borrowing/stealing ideas from the other parties as society changes. There'll be a new, hopefully sane, iteration along in a few years.

    Whereas Labour is less keen to change - hence why they elected a leader whose viewpoints and beliefs were at least forty years out of date. And I guess will again in a few years. And why they hark back to the good old days of BR and nationalised industries.
    The death of each of the main parties has been oft prophesied on here and elsewhere over the years and it has always been wrong. Under the FPTP system the party infrastructures are surprisingly resilient. This is (probably) no more the death of the Tory Party than Corbyn was going to be the death of the Labour Party, or Hague was going to destroy the Tories pre-2001, or Labour were never going to win another election in 1992.

    That said, it is a serious moment for them and they need to have a good, hard think about what they’re for when they inevitably lose office.
    The problematic people will not have a good, hard think. The insane Brexiteers decided years ago that all the ills of the UK were down to Europe, and that led their party to this situation. They'll still be saying: "It's someone else's fault! If we have *proper* brexit then everything will be fine!"

    They need exorcising from the party.
  • boulay said:

    Ed Davey must be excited about being the official Leader of the Opposition after the election.

    Sir Ed v Sir Keir, sounds very Game of Thrones.

    List of LibDem target seats is here https://www.electionpolling.co.uk/battleground/targets/liberal-democrat

    How far down the list would they need to advance to become the opposition?

    EDIT - during the 2019 "Flight of Icarus" Swinson world tour, they wanted us to work on Harrogate (22), York Outer (60), and even Berwick-upon-Tweed (97) at various points...
    Berwick was Liberal not that long ago iirc. Had a very long serving MP whose name escapes me at the moment.
  • Chris said:

    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    2m
    That was an utter disaster for Liz Truss. But there was no way it couldn't have been a disaster. There is nothing left to debate now. She either reverses course, or she gets wiped out politically. Those are the choices she faces.

    But what actually happens? Do we have a zombie government for another two years just so that Tory backbenchers can keep their jobs for a bit longer?
    Yep.
  • Scott_xP said:

    You were right. No punches being pulled on local Radio.

    Somebody should produce a compilaton.

    Financial crisis? What financial crisis?
    Cost of mortgages going up? Don’t know anything about that.
    It’s global, nothing to do with us.
    But let me tell you how we’re going to cap heating bills.
    A dozen prime-ministerial interviews boiled down to 280 characters
    It's beginning to feel like the end of the Tory Party.

    Didn't expect that in my lifetime.
    The Conservative Party always has been undead. It constantly reinvents itself, borrowing/stealing ideas from the other parties as society changes. There'll be a new, hopefully sane, iteration along in a few years.

    Whereas Labour is less keen to change - hence why they elected a leader whose viewpoints and beliefs were at least forty years out of date. And I guess will again in a few years. And why they hark back to the good old days of BR and nationalised industries.
    That requires some sort of nucleus for a sane Conservatism to form round. In the past that's always been identifiable. Think of Thatcher's promotion of people like Hesteltine or Pattern. Howard did the same for Cameron.

    The series of purges since 2016 make it much harder to see how the Conservatives can be led back from la la land, even after a defeat. Look at what's happened to the US Republicans.

    Are there any sound money/ decent to your neighbour / unobsessed with Woke Conservatives worth watching out for?
    I think there are some. TP of this parish might be one. My own MP (Anthony Browne) isn't *too* bad - but the state of the party is such I can't vote for him. I daresay there are many other sane Conservative MPs who are just despairing atm.

    Perhaps look at those who were keenest to boot out Boris?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,639

    boulay said:

    Ed Davey must be excited about being the official Leader of the Opposition after the election.

    Sir Ed v Sir Keir, sounds very Game of Thrones.

    List of LibDem target seats is here https://www.electionpolling.co.uk/battleground/targets/liberal-democrat

    How far down the list would they need to advance to become the opposition?

    EDIT - during the 2019 "Flight of Icarus" Swinson world tour, they wanted us to work on Harrogate (22), York Outer (60), and even Berwick-upon-Tweed (97) at various points...
    Berwick was Liberal not that long ago iirc. Had a very long serving MP whose name escapes me at the moment.
    Alan Beith. Will be important to see how Brexit has affected the local farmers and fishers, as Ms Trevelyan is an ardent Brexiter. Andf a promiment cabinet minister in the current situation, which won't in itself help her.
  • Scott_xP said:

    You were right. No punches being pulled on local Radio.

    Somebody should produce a compilaton.

    Financial crisis? What financial crisis?
    Cost of mortgages going up? Don’t know anything about that.
    It’s global, nothing to do with us.
    But let me tell you how we’re going to cap heating bills.
    A dozen prime-ministerial interviews boiled down to 280 characters
    It's beginning to feel like the end of the Tory Party.

    Didn't expect that in my lifetime.
    The Conservative Party always has been undead. It constantly reinvents itself, borrowing/stealing ideas from the other parties as society changes. There'll be a new, hopefully sane, iteration along in a few years.

    Whereas Labour is less keen to change - hence why they elected a leader whose viewpoints and beliefs were at least forty years out of date. And I guess will again in a few years. And why they hark back to the good old days of BR and nationalised industries.
    Are there any sound money/ decent to your neighbour / unobsessed with Woke Conservatives worth watching out for?
    Either not currently in the party (Stewart, Gawke etc), or discredited, Hunt, Sunak and Co.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Ftse tanking. Housebuilders off 3-4%. I sense a serious crash in the offing.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,190
    Off topic

    @MarqueeMark , forget the party politics, but are you lobbying Jonathan Reynolds to get your Swansea Bay Tidal Lagoon up and running after day one of any change in Government? Time might be ticking.
  • Still 9.2 on Truss to go this year.

    Given I'm green already I'm not inclined to back it.
  • Oh Dear God:

    Lancashire. A giggle. Silence where you can hear her gob flapping wordless when asked if she knows where Preston New Road is https://twitter.com/dinosofos/status/1575389891453648901
    Stoke. Prolonged Silence when asked about her putting our mortgages up by more than she's giving on energy https://twitter.com/dinosofos/status/1575395660018368514
    Leeds: Where you been? https://twitter.com/dinosofos/status/1575381418464739328
    Brissle: This is the same scripted answer. https://twitter.com/TobyonTV/status/1575393556067393538
    Tees: are you looking at sea-life deaths? Errrrrr https://twitter.com/BBCTees/status/1575397826594574336

    And remember folks. Having been nicely warmed up on radio, she now does 16 TV interviews. Where the hacks won't just be wanting a piece of clippable audio. They will want to see her gob flapping silently. Imagine how bad they will be when she gets past 10 of these...
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,513
    Remember when Trump took a trip to Japan back in 2019 and reports surfaced that the WH requested the move the USS John McCain out of view so it wouldn't upset Trump?

    Well, I #FOIA'd the military for docs about this & 3 yrs later they just arrived

    "This just makes me sad"

    https://twitter.com/JasonLeopold/status/1575281027525713920

    All of the White House Military Office emails about the discussions to keep the USS John McCain out of sight during Trump's visit to Japan are classified and redacted except for one.
    https://twitter.com/JasonLeopold/status/1575290865584525312
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    Scott_xP said:

    You were right. No punches being pulled on local Radio.

    Somebody should produce a compilaton.

    Financial crisis? What financial crisis?
    Cost of mortgages going up? Don’t know anything about that.
    It’s global, nothing to do with us.
    But let me tell you how we’re going to cap heating bills.
    A dozen prime-ministerial interviews boiled down to 280 characters
    It's beginning to feel like the end of the Tory Party.

    Didn't expect that in my lifetime.
    The Conservative Party always has been undead. It constantly reinvents itself, borrowing/stealing ideas from the other parties as society changes. There'll be a new, hopefully sane, iteration along in a few years.

    Whereas Labour is less keen to change - hence why they elected a leader whose viewpoints and beliefs were at least forty years out of date. And I guess will again in a few years. And why they hark back to the good old days of BR and nationalised industries.
    That requires some sort of nucleus for a sane Conservatism to form round. In the past that's always been identifiable. Think of Thatcher's promotion of people like Hesteltine or Pattern. Howard did the same for Cameron.

    The series of purges since 2016 make it much harder to see how the Conservatives can be led back from la la land, even after a defeat. Look at what's happened to the US Republicans.

    Are there any sound money/ decent to your neighbour / unobsessed with Woke Conservatives worth watching out for?
    It's not just that, it's also and are they going to be MPs after GE 24

    Next Tory pm probably started school this autumn.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,412
    HYUFD said:

    boulay said:

    Ed Davey must be excited about being the official Leader of the Opposition after the election.

    Sir Ed v Sir Keir, sounds very Game of Thrones.

    If there was to be a non Tory leader of the Opposition to a Starmer government it would be led by Farage not Davey, if the Tories completely collapsed Canada 1993 style and were replaced by RefUK
    You will know more than I do how many seats the LD’s are second to the Tories in so I am possibly wrong but surely if the Tories haemorrhage votes a lot will go to the Lib Dems as things stand (West Country, Winchester type seats).

    If there is a Farage party up and running ahead of the next election they will indeed attract a lump of Tory votes but of the Tory vote gets split three ways (Farage, Tory hold-outs and LD) then the Tories will be wiped and Faragists unlikely to pick up many seats at the election.

    Added to those seats that will go from Tory to Labour I can easily see a way for Ed Davey to be next leader of the opposition.

  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,586

    Scott_xP said:

    You were right. No punches being pulled on local Radio.

    Somebody should produce a compilaton.

    Financial crisis? What financial crisis?
    Cost of mortgages going up? Don’t know anything about that.
    It’s global, nothing to do with us.
    But let me tell you how we’re going to cap heating bills.
    A dozen prime-ministerial interviews boiled down to 280 characters
    It's beginning to feel like the end of the Tory Party.

    Didn't expect that in my lifetime.
    The Conservative Party always has been undead. It constantly reinvents itself, borrowing/stealing ideas from the other parties as society changes. There'll be a new, hopefully sane, iteration along in a few years.

    Whereas Labour is less keen to change - hence why they elected a leader whose viewpoints and beliefs were at least forty years out of date. And I guess will again in a few years. And why they hark back to the good old days of BR and nationalised industries.
    That requires some sort of nucleus for a sane Conservatism to form round. In the past that's always been identifiable. Think of Thatcher's promotion of people like Hesteltine or Pattern. Howard did the same for Cameron.

    The series of purges since 2016 make it much harder to see how the Conservatives can be led back from la la land, even after a defeat. Look at what's happened to the US Republicans.

    Are there any sound money/ decent to your neighbour / unobsessed with Woke Conservatives worth watching out for?
    I think there are some. TP of this parish might be one. My own MP (Anthony Browne) isn't *too* bad - but the state of the party is such I can't vote for him. I daresay there are many other sane Conservative MPs who are just despairing atm.

    Perhaps look at those who were keenest to boot out Boris?
    Similarly, our MP Simon Hoare is sane, and a nice guy - a true one nation Conservative.

    No way will I vote for him though.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,895
    My top quality political and economic analysis this morning is this: the markets and the voters have got The Ick. Once you get The Ick that’s very difficult to undo
    https://twitter.com/janemerrick23/status/1575397451497873409
    https://twitter.com/kitty_donaldson/status/1575391509549023233
  • Oh Dear God:

    Lancashire. A giggle. Silence where you can hear her gob flapping wordless when asked if she knows where Preston New Road is https://twitter.com/dinosofos/status/1575389891453648901
    Stoke. Prolonged Silence when asked about her putting our mortgages up by more than she's giving on energy https://twitter.com/dinosofos/status/1575395660018368514
    Leeds: Where you been? https://twitter.com/dinosofos/status/1575381418464739328
    Brissle: This is the same scripted answer. https://twitter.com/TobyonTV/status/1575393556067393538
    Tees: are you looking at sea-life deaths? Errrrrr https://twitter.com/BBCTees/status/1575397826594574336

    And remember folks. Having been nicely warmed up on radio, she now does 16 TV interviews. Where the hacks won't just be wanting a piece of clippable audio. They will want to see her gob flapping silently. Imagine how bad they will be when she gets past 10 of these...

    Ouch.
  • IshmaelZ said:

    Ftse tanking. Housebuilders off 3-4%. I sense a serious crash in the offing.

    And it's obvious who to blame. BBC Radio
    Kent/Nottingham/Bristol etc.

    So the government should either abolish BBC local radio, or abolish Kent/Nottingham/Bristol etc. Not the stations, but the places.
  • Carnyx said:

    boulay said:

    Ed Davey must be excited about being the official Leader of the Opposition after the election.

    Sir Ed v Sir Keir, sounds very Game of Thrones.

    List of LibDem target seats is here https://www.electionpolling.co.uk/battleground/targets/liberal-democrat

    How far down the list would they need to advance to become the opposition?

    EDIT - during the 2019 "Flight of Icarus" Swinson world tour, they wanted us to work on Harrogate (22), York Outer (60), and even Berwick-upon-Tweed (97) at various points...
    Berwick was Liberal not that long ago iirc. Had a very long serving MP whose name escapes me at the moment.
    Alan Beith. Will be important to see how Brexit has affected the local farmers and fishers, as Ms Trevelyan is an ardent Brexiter. Andf a promiment cabinet minister in the current situation, which won't in itself help her.
    In the face of a Tory rout I think Berwick could be won back. As could Solihull (113). Devon West (125). Cornwall SE (133). Does that mean winning every seat higher in the list? No. But a rout means people look to sane alternatives...
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,153
    boulay said:

    Ed Davey must be excited about being the official Leader of the Opposition after the election.

    Sir Ed v Sir Keir, sounds very Game of Thrones.

    LOL! Maybe getting slightly carried away? ;)
  • (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    2m
    That was an utter disaster for Liz Truss. But there was no way it couldn't have been a disaster. There is nothing left to debate now. She either reverses course, or she gets wiped out politically. Those are the choices she faces.

    Dan's antipathy towards Liz is quite surprising - I thought she'd be right up his street. But then he was very keen on Kemi, so maybe there's something at play there.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,513
    Florida.

    https://twitter.com/JaneLytv/status/1575203449112694784
    After over half a decade of debunking this hoax every time there was a flood or hurricane, I can't believe I'm looking at an honest-to-god street shark.

    Good to finally meet you, pal.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,586
    edited September 2022
    Next week's Tory party conference is going to be 'interesting'.

    I may be wrong but I suspect that the sub-set of the Tory party that goes to the conference is more likely to be the saner end of the membership... thus deeply unhappy with the current shambles. Could be spectacular imo.
  • @dwnews
    JUST IN: Economists expect Germany to enter recession in 2023, economy could shrink by up to 8.8%.


    https://twitter.com/dwnews/status/1575399955262578689
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    Oh Dear God:

    Lancashire. A giggle. Silence where you can hear her gob flapping wordless when asked if she knows where Preston New Road is https://twitter.com/dinosofos/status/1575389891453648901
    Stoke. Prolonged Silence when asked about her putting our mortgages up by more than she's giving on energy https://twitter.com/dinosofos/status/1575395660018368514
    Leeds: Where you been? https://twitter.com/dinosofos/status/1575381418464739328
    Brissle: This is the same scripted answer. https://twitter.com/TobyonTV/status/1575393556067393538
    Tees: are you looking at sea-life deaths? Errrrrr https://twitter.com/BBCTees/status/1575397826594574336

    And remember folks. Having been nicely warmed up on radio, she now does 16 TV interviews. Where the hacks won't just be wanting a piece of clippable audio. They will want to see her gob flapping silently. Imagine how bad they will be when she gets past 10 of these...

    Worst decision since Andrew decided on the Emily thing.

    We simply cannot have 2 years of this
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,123

    Next week's Tory party conference is going to be 'interesting'.

    I may be wrong but I suspect that the sub-set of the Tory party that goes to the conference is more likely to be the saner end of the membership... thus deeply unhappy with the current shambles. Could be spectacular imo.

    We need to some opinion polling of the members. "Was it a mistake to elect Liz Truss as leader?"
  • @dwnews
    JUST IN: Economists expect Germany to enter recession in 2023, economy could shrink by up to 8.8%.


    https://twitter.com/dwnews/status/1575399955262578689

    Everyones fucked, but right now the UK is fucking itself and up for a gang bang for good measure.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 8,609
    Nigelb said:

    Florida.

    https://twitter.com/JaneLytv/status/1575203449112694784
    After over half a decade of debunking this hoax every time there was a flood or hurricane, I can't believe I'm looking at an honest-to-god street shark.

    Good to finally meet you, pal.

    Timothy Pope, Timothy Pope,
    Took one more look through his telescope
    He looked at the sky.
    He looked at the ground.
    He looked left and right.
    He looked all around.
    And this is what he saw….
    THERE’S A SHARK IN THE PARK!
  • tlg86 said:

    Next week's Tory party conference is going to be 'interesting'.

    I may be wrong but I suspect that the sub-set of the Tory party that goes to the conference is more likely to be the saner end of the membership... thus deeply unhappy with the current shambles. Could be spectacular imo.

    We need to some opinion polling of the members. "Was it a mistake to elect Liz Truss as leader?"
    Deluded people will remain deluded.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,190

    @dwnews
    JUST IN: Economists expect Germany to enter recession in 2023, economy could shrink by up to 8.8%.


    https://twitter.com/dwnews/status/1575399955262578689

    The way things have been going since Friday an 8.8% decline .might be a heady figure we can only dream of, as we scavenge the landfill sites for half-eaten Big Macs
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,153

    @dwnews
    JUST IN: Economists expect Germany to enter recession in 2023, economy could shrink by up to 8.8%.


    https://twitter.com/dwnews/status/1575399955262578689

    Everyones fucked, but right now the UK is fucking itself and up for a gang bang for good measure.
    Gosh! We're getting down to the nitty gritty here this morning I see! :D
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,154

    @dwnews
    JUST IN: Economists expect Germany to enter recession in 2023, economy could shrink by up to 8.8%.


    https://twitter.com/dwnews/status/1575399955262578689

    Ouch.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,892
    tlg86 said:

    Next week's Tory party conference is going to be 'interesting'.

    I may be wrong but I suspect that the sub-set of the Tory party that goes to the conference is more likely to be the saner end of the membership... thus deeply unhappy with the current shambles. Could be spectacular imo.

    We need to some opinion polling of the members. "Was it a mistake to elect Liz Truss as leader?"
    I'll ask my Dad this weekend.
  • AlistairMAlistairM Posts: 2,005
    Attention Anti-Truss Tory MPs reading this. I know there will be some!

    Why the f*** did you back Rishi when all the polling said he would lose with members? Either Kemi or Penny would have beaten Rishi and not done this. This is on you! You are going to lose in 2024. There is no avoiding it. Your job now is to bring back some sanity. You can act. You must act.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,892
    AlistairM said:

    Attention Anti-Truss Tory MPs reading this. I know there will be some!

    Why the f*** did you back Rishi when all the polling said he would lose with members? Either Kemi or Penny would have beaten Rishi and not done this. This is on you! You are going to lose in 2024. There is no avoiding it. Your job now is to bring back some sanity. You can act. You must act.

    True regarding Kemi, she was very right wing on the social stuff but had a definite tone of Rishi-style sanity about her economically.
  • @dwnews
    JUST IN: Economists expect Germany to enter recession in 2023, economy could shrink by up to 8.8%.


    https://twitter.com/dwnews/status/1575399955262578689

    Everyones fucked, but right now the UK is fucking itself and up for a gang bang for good measure.
    Keep it classy!
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,892

    Next week's Tory party conference is going to be 'interesting'.

    I may be wrong but I suspect that the sub-set of the Tory party that goes to the conference is more likely to be the saner end of the membership... thus deeply unhappy with the current shambles. Could be spectacular imo.

    Nah, she'll be cheered to the rafters I expect.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,123
    Pulpstar said:

    AlistairM said:

    Attention Anti-Truss Tory MPs reading this. I know there will be some!

    Why the f*** did you back Rishi when all the polling said he would lose with members? Either Kemi or Penny would have beaten Rishi and not done this. This is on you! You are going to lose in 2024. There is no avoiding it. Your job now is to bring back some sanity. You can act. You must act.

    True regarding Kemi, she was very right wing on the social stuff but had a definite tone of Rishi-style sanity about her economically.
    Yep. Two years of culture wars whilst we muddle through economically would have been far preferable to this.
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