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A week on and it looks even more challenging for Truss – politicalbetting.com

SystemSystem Posts: 8,489
edited September 15 in General
imageA week on and it looks even more challenging for Truss – politicalbetting.com

Am unfortunate feature for the Tories of the timing of the Queen’s death is that it has totally taken over the news narrative which is making it very difficult for the new Tory leader Liz truss to establish herself as someone who can lead her party to beat Starmer. Any hope of honeymoon period is now over.

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  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 19,325
    Ist like Sir Kier in January 2025.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 78,847
    Truss needs luck and she needs her policy gambles to pay off. Starmer needs to appear credible, and not put off too many of his more excitable supporters.

    His is the easier target.
  • DynamoDynamo Posts: 608
    https://uk.yahoo.com/news/republican-protesters-arrested-king-charles-180603015.html

    At the "proclamation" of the king's "accession" in Oxford, a man was arrested for shouting "Who elected him?"

    He was later "de-arrested". "A Thames Valley police spokesperson said: 'A 45-year-old man was arrested in connection with a disturbance that was caused during the county proclamation ceremony of King Charles III in Oxford. He has subsequently been de-arrested and is engaging with us voluntarily as we investigate a public order offence. The man was arrested on suspicion of a public order offence."

    I wonder whether they told him he'd been "de-arrested", and if so, why he didn't just walk out of the police station.

    I guess the authorities don't want anyone to appear in court in the near future (Magna Carta etc.) for expressing republican sentiments.
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 1,811
    I don't think there's any point taking about this at the moment. Politics in the UK is pretty much suspended until after the funeral.
  • Here's a suggestion for Liz and Charles: 'Now — a decade after wildlife officials reintroduced them in southwest Virginia — there’s a herd of more than 250 elk in the region.

    “It’s a wildlife success story for this species,” said Jackie Rosenberger, elk project leader for the Virginia Department of Wildlife Resources. “A lot of folks think elk are just a species that’s found in the Western part of the U.S., but that’s not the case. That’s not their history, and through a large restoration effort we’ve managed to bring them back.”'
    source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2022/09/06/elk-mating-season-southwest-virginia/

    The elk are flourishing on a restored coal mining area which, to my surprise, turned out ot be a good place for elk. The area is just a few hundred miles from DC. (Wild turkeys have come back enough so that one was becoming a pest in a DC park.)

    So, restore a coal mining area, and get an interesting animal to watch. What's not to like?

    You can watch the elk here: https://dwr.virginia.gov/elk-cam/?utm_source=mailchimp&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=nftf&utm_content=nftf_all_elkcam_elktours_22

    (I have seen elk herds twice in the wild. They are impressive animals; males can weigh more than a thousand pounds, females more than 600.

    They did quite well after the Mt. St. Helens eruption, since they prefer grass to trees.)

    Off topic? Well, I do think this would help her politically.

  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 2,512
    edited September 11

    Here's a suggestion for Liz and Charles: 'Now — a decade after wildlife officials reintroduced them in southwest Virginia — there’s a herd of more than 250 elk in the region.

    “It’s a wildlife success story for this species,” said Jackie Rosenberger, elk project leader for the Virginia Department of Wildlife Resources. “A lot of folks think elk are just a species that’s found in the Western part of the U.S., but that’s not the case. That’s not their history, and through a large restoration effort we’ve managed to bring them back.”'
    source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2022/09/06/elk-mating-season-southwest-virginia/

    The elk are flourishing on a restored coal mining area which, to my surprise, turned out ot be a good place for elk. The area is just a few hundred miles from DC. (Wild turkeys have come back enough so that one was becoming a pest in a DC park.)

    So, restore a coal mining area, and get an interesting animal to watch. What's not to like?

    You can watch the elk here: https://dwr.virginia.gov/elk-cam/?utm_source=mailchimp&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=nftf&utm_content=nftf_all_elkcam_elktours_22

    (I have seen elk herds twice in the wild. They are impressive animals; males can weigh more than a thousand pounds, females more than 600.

    They did quite well after the Mt. St. Helens eruption, since they prefer grass to trees.)

    Off topic? Well, I do think this would help her politically.

    I'm not sure they would do well in this coal mining area! Although we do have Red Deer in some parts.

    I met an Elk face to face in the Olympics (Hoh) once. It was absolutely hammering down with rain as usual so neither I nor the Elk heard anything until I came round a corner and found it standing on the path right in front of me.

    It was....large.

    Lynx are probably the most likely species for re-introduction in the UK after beavers, although given we are down to about 20 odd native wildcats, I wouldn't vouch that they will do that well.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 18,804
    edited September 11
    O/T

    In the Sunday Times magazine this week.
    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/my-students-are-in-crisis-after-covid-will-they-ever-recover-q7zxg2fhn

    "Will my students ever be the same again?

    Professor Matthew Goodwin can't believe how introverted and disengaged his undergraduates have become. The Covid era rush to online learning has wrecked the campus experience. It's time to hit reset, he argues" (£)
  • MartinVegasMartinVegas Posts: 13
    edited September 11
    I think this period is a great opportunity for Truss, even though I suspect she won't rise to it.

    We might all laugh about how Blair or Johnson would handle this, but there's no denying it would be popular with a lot of people. Even TMay did a great job in parliament on Friday.

    Truss so far has been utterly unremarkable, but I wouldn't count her out just yet. There will be a lot of times over the next week to show that 'she cares'. I'm reminded of 21 years ago today. George W Bush went on TV and gave a terrible speech on the day of 9/11. He looked all at sea and genuinely frightened. But that's forgotten because he got the loudhailer out in New York on the 14th and was 'a man of the people'.

    All Truss has to do is on one occasion - the funeral, for example - show some human emotion or empathy for the royals or the public. It could wipe the slate relatively clean for her, or at least give the Mail and Murdoch enough to run with for a while.

    However, so far she's not been able to, and the working hypothesis is that she can't. So her best chance to get ahead will likely pass her by.
  • Mike hates Truss, yawn
  • Flatlander - According to Wiki - and they are usually right on those kinds of subjects: "The elk has adapted well to countries where it has been introduced, including Argentina and New Zealand."

    "Elk and red deer produce fertile offspring in captivity, and the two species have freely inter-bred in New Zealand's Fiordland National Park."

    So they might do well where there are already red deer.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 41,242

    Here's a suggestion for Liz and Charles: 'Now — a decade after wildlife officials reintroduced them in southwest Virginia — there’s a herd of more than 250 elk in the region.

    “It’s a wildlife success story for this species,” said Jackie Rosenberger, elk project leader for the Virginia Department of Wildlife Resources. “A lot of folks think elk are just a species that’s found in the Western part of the U.S., but that’s not the case. That’s not their history, and through a large restoration effort we’ve managed to bring them back.”'
    source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2022/09/06/elk-mating-season-southwest-virginia/

    The elk are flourishing on a restored coal mining area which, to my surprise, turned out ot be a good place for elk. The area is just a few hundred miles from DC. (Wild turkeys have come back enough so that one was becoming a pest in a DC park.)

    So, restore a coal mining area, and get an interesting animal to watch. What's not to like?

    You can watch the elk here: https://dwr.virginia.gov/elk-cam/?utm_source=mailchimp&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=nftf&utm_content=nftf_all_elkcam_elktours_22

    (I have seen elk herds twice in the wild. They are impressive animals; males can weigh more than a thousand pounds, females more than 600.

    They did quite well after the Mt. St. Helens eruption, since they prefer grass to trees.)

    Off topic? Well, I do think this would help her politically.

    The reference to DC is misleading; it’s a remote part of VA in the mountains near the West Virginia/Kentucky border. I’ll be out that way in a couple of weeks’ time.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,177
    I think this just suspends her debut. Not doing her any harm provided she doesn't foul up.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 18,804
    "Rightwing bloc heading to victory in Swedish election, 90% of vote count suggests"

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/sep/11/swedish-election-exit-polls-far-right
  • IanB2 - Here you are: https://www.rome2rio.com/s/Washington/Buchanan-VA-USA

    That sounds like a "few hundred miles" to me.

    As does this: https://www.distance-cities.com/distance-buchanan-va-to-washington-dc

    Have a good trip, and if possible, post a picture or two here afterwards.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 41,242

    IanB2 - Here you are: https://www.rome2rio.com/s/Washington/Buchanan-VA-USA

    That sounds like a "few hundred miles" to me.

    As does this: https://www.distance-cities.com/distance-buchanan-va-to-washington-dc

    Have a good trip, and if possible, post a picture or two here afterwards.

    400 miles by road and about a six and a half hour drive from the capital.
  • IshmaelZ said:

    I think this just suspends her debut. Not doing her any harm provided she doesn't foul up.

    By spending the next week on tour with the King and Queen and Queen, RIP, say?
  • Andy_JS said:

    O/T

    In the Sunday Times magazine this week.
    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/my-students-are-in-crisis-after-covid-will-they-ever-recover-q7zxg2fhn

    "Will my students ever be the same again?

    Professor Matthew Goodwin can't believe how introverted and disengaged his undergraduates have become. The Covid era rush to online learning has wrecked the campus experience. It's time to hit reset, he argues" (£)

    Students prefer online learning like civil servants prefer working from home?
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 3,404
    Spot on, Mike

    I don't think she's going to get a bounce now. It was always unlikely as people see the currently tories as tawdry and toxic. She belonged to the Johnson milieu and, unlike him, she's not going to reach those Alf Garnett types.

    After Black Wednesday there was a 4.5 year inevitability about the forthcoming tory shellacking. The same is true now.

    Those who seem convinced that a Labour majority is vanishingly unlikely are making a big gambling blunder.
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 3,404



    Truss [...] s I'm reminded of 21 years ago today. George W Bush went on TV and gave a terrible speech on the day of 9/11. He looked all at sea and genuinely frightened. But that's forgotten because he got the loudhailer out in New York on the 14th and was 'a man of the people'.

    The Republicans lost the election one year later.

    And I don't know anyone who has forgotten his frozen response on the day of the attacks.
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 3,404
    CatMan said:

    I don't think there's any point taking about this at the moment. Politics in the UK is pretty much suspended until after the funeral.

    You might not wish to, in which case maybe don't come on a political forum until after the funeral? Just a thought.

    For the rest of us, politics will go on. And it's interesting to see how events affect things whether they are good or bad.

    Liz Truss lost any hope of honeymoon momentum with the Queen's death. The most she can hope for is to come through the next week or two calmly.

    But the person I've heard being talked about in more glowing terms, which has surprised me and which won't fit well with our resident Sheffield Wednesday fan, is Keir Starmer.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,177
    CatMan said:

    I don't think there's any point taking about this at the moment. Politics in the UK is pretty much suspended until after the funeral.

    You do realise that we are a constitutional monarchy, and that matters? Politics is busting out all over. Truss's reverse ferret over the Grand Tour really matters, public perception of her vs sks as speechmakers really matters.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 4,797
    IshmaelZ said:

    CatMan said:

    I don't think there's any point taking about this at the moment. Politics in the UK is pretty much suspended until after the funeral.

    You do realise that we are a constitutional monarchy, and that matters? Politics is busting out all over. Truss's reverse ferret over the Grand Tour really matters, public perception of her vs sks as speechmakers really matters.
    Few will know or care.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 4,797
    Heathener said:

    Spot on, Mike

    I don't think she's going to get a bounce now. It was always unlikely as people see the currently tories as tawdry and toxic. She belonged to the Johnson milieu and, unlike him, she's not going to reach those Alf Garnett types.

    After Black Wednesday there was a 4.5 year inevitability about the forthcoming tory shellacking. The same is true now.

    Those who seem convinced that a Labour majority is vanishingly unlikely are making a big gambling blunder.

    It's more than likely that Labour will, as a de minimus, deprive the Tories of a majority, but Mike's doom and gloom threads are overdone. We have enough to cope with with the sadness of the Death of Her Majesty the Queen Mike might as well add the funeral march to every thread.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 6,617
    Not sure if already posted - Savanta ComRes in Daily Mail:

    Lab 42
    Con 35
    LD 10

    Best PM:
    Starmer 36
    Truss 33

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11202257/Boost-Liz-Truss-new-poll-shows-nine-10-voters-plan-freeze-energy-bills.html
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 42,730
    How many in the formerly occupied territories are going to regret Russia leaving ? My guess is not so many.

    https://twitter.com/EuromaidanPress/status/1569194409123581954
    “They said, ‘You’re on your own,’ ” Matvienko recounted. “They came into our houses to take clothes so the drones wouldn’t see them in uniforms. They took our bicycles. Two of them pointed guns at my ex-husband until he handed them his car keys.”…
  • Quite a moving thread with elements most of us will recognise in others or even ourselves. Perhaps what the late HMQ can really teach us rather than the endless, ENDLESS stream of repetitive cliché and lavishly tooled, age old ritual made up the day before yesterday.

    https://twitter.com/drkathrynmannix/status/1569067840409419783?s=20&t=qJs-nGjLOw1XfP3uUYvk8Q
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 24,543
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  • IshmaelZ said:

    CatMan said:

    I don't think there's any point taking about this at the moment. Politics in the UK is pretty much suspended until after the funeral.

    You do realise that we are a constitutional monarchy, and that matters? Politics is busting out all over. Truss's reverse ferret over the Grand Tour really matters, public perception of her vs sks as speechmakers really matters.
    Few will know or care.
    True. Just as few will have noticed, or cared about, Truss's on/off pledges during the leadership campaign. But as Boris and IDS can testify, it does matter when the few who do notice and care are sitting behind you in the House of Commons.
  • felixfelix Posts: 14,262
    Andy_JS said:

    "Rightwing bloc heading to victory in Swedish election, 90% of vote count suggests"

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/sep/11/swedish-election-exit-polls-far-right

    Back to Scotland for Dickson?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 24,543
    BREAKING The Russian generals are losing so badly Republicans want to start erecting statues of them in the South
    https://twitter.com/WiseguySix/status/1569082827735539712
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 46,536
    Dynamo said:

    https://uk.yahoo.com/news/republican-protesters-arrested-king-charles-180603015.html

    At the "proclamation" of the king's "accession" in Oxford, a man was arrested for shouting "Who elected him?"

    He was later "de-arrested". "A Thames Valley police spokesperson said: 'A 45-year-old man was arrested in connection with a disturbance that was caused during the county proclamation ceremony of King Charles III in Oxford. He has subsequently been de-arrested and is engaging with us voluntarily as we investigate a public order offence. The man was arrested on suspicion of a public order offence."

    I wonder whether they told him he'd been "de-arrested", and if so, why he didn't just walk out of the police station.

    I guess the authorities don't want anyone to appear in court in the near future (Magna Carta etc.) for expressing republican sentiments.

    There's a difference between being arrested and removed.

    If someone was highly disruptive in a comedy club, musical or theatre, shouting abuse or making a scene, you'd expect them to be thrown out by security, and rightly so.
  • The Duke of Grope finally found a new role appropriate to his abilities.


  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 24,543
    UK GDP grew by 0.2% in July, according to @ONS. Better than expected. Full details: https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/grossdomesticproductgdp/bulletins/gdpmonthlyestimateuk/july2022
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 34,334

    I think this period is a great opportunity for Truss, even though I suspect she won't rise to it.

    We might all laugh about how Blair or Johnson would handle this, but there's no denying it would be popular with a lot of people. Even TMay did a great job in parliament on Friday.

    Truss so far has been utterly unremarkable, but I wouldn't count her out just yet. There will be a lot of times over the next week to show that 'she cares'. I'm reminded of 21 years ago today. George W Bush went on TV and gave a terrible speech on the day of 9/11. He looked all at sea and genuinely frightened. But that's forgotten because he got the loudhailer out in New York on the 14th and was 'a man of the people'.

    All Truss has to do is on one occasion - the funeral, for example - show some human emotion or empathy for the royals or the public. It could wipe the slate relatively clean for her, or at least give the Mail and Murdoch enough to run with for a while.

    However, so far she's not been able to, and the working hypothesis is that she can't. So her best chance to get ahead will likely pass her by.

    It will be a real test of her ability to do empathy. She hasn't been very good with this in the past, but maybe she can rise to the occasion.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 34,334

    The Duke of Grope finally found a new role appropriate to his abilities.


    I knew Andrew and Sarah were on good terms, but didn't realise that they were living together.

  • CiceroCicero Posts: 1,364
    Foxy said:

    I think this period is a great opportunity for Truss, even though I suspect she won't rise to it.

    We might all laugh about how Blair or Johnson would handle this, but there's no denying it would be popular with a lot of people. Even TMay did a great job in parliament on Friday.

    Truss so far has been utterly unremarkable, but I wouldn't count her out just yet. There will be a lot of times over the next week to show that 'she cares'. I'm reminded of 21 years ago today. George W Bush went on TV and gave a terrible speech on the day of 9/11. He looked all at sea and genuinely frightened. But that's forgotten because he got the loudhailer out in New York on the 14th and was 'a man of the people'.

    All Truss has to do is on one occasion - the funeral, for example - show some human emotion or empathy for the royals or the public. It could wipe the slate relatively clean for her, or at least give the Mail and Murdoch enough to run with for a while.

    However, so far she's not been able to, and the working hypothesis is that she can't. So her best chance to get ahead will likely pass her by.

    It will be a real test of her ability to do empathy. She hasn't been very good with this in the past, but maybe she can rise to the occasion.
    The problem is not whether or not Liz Truss cares, the problem is that the voters don´t care any more. They have had enough of the Conservatives and, even the most effective, caring, competent, and unifying Tory leader would struggle, Truss is pretty much none of those things and so we are most likely just going to watch the government wind down to the inevitable defeat at the next GE.
  • As someone who'll never vote for her, I find the fact that her official headshot makes her look more than half in the bag oddly endearing.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 103,341
    edited September 12

    Dynamo said:

    https://uk.yahoo.com/news/republican-protesters-arrested-king-charles-180603015.html

    At the "proclamation" of the king's "accession" in Oxford, a man was arrested for shouting "Who elected him?"

    He was later "de-arrested". "A Thames Valley police spokesperson said: 'A 45-year-old man was arrested in connection with a disturbance that was caused during the county proclamation ceremony of King Charles III in Oxford. He has subsequently been de-arrested and is engaging with us voluntarily as we investigate a public order offence. The man was arrested on suspicion of a public order offence."

    I wonder whether they told him he'd been "de-arrested", and if so, why he didn't just walk out of the police station.

    I guess the authorities don't want anyone to appear in court in the near future (Magna Carta etc.) for expressing republican sentiments.

    There's a difference between being arrested and removed.

    If someone was highly disruptive in a comedy club, musical or theatre, shouting abuse or making a scene, you'd expect them to be thrown out by security, and rightly so.
    But he wasn't in a club, theatre etc, he was in a public place.

    He wasn't the only one arrested yesterday by overzealous police, free speech is important.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 56,044
    Lib Dems will lose hundreds of thousands over the (unnecessary) cancellation of their conference:

    https://www.theargus.co.uk/news/21271479.lib-dems-cancel-conference-respect-queen-elizabeth-ii/
  • darkagedarkage Posts: 2,707
    Andy_JS said:

    "Rightwing bloc heading to victory in Swedish election, 90% of vote count suggests"

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/sep/11/swedish-election-exit-polls-far-right

    It is quite amusing to see the Sweden Democrats branded in these articles as 'far right'. One day the 'far right' will actually come on the scene and make parties like the Sweden Democrats look like Nick Clegg circa 2010.

    It does seem to me, looking at the changes that have taken place in Sweden through mass immigration and the failure of elements of multiculturalism, that there would inevitably be this type of political reaction.

    The real question, for those genuinely concerned about the 'far right', is whether or not the Sweden Democracts and their likely partners can make any real progress at dealing with the situation that has emerged.


  • On topic, she'll be okay, it's a bit like Starmer when he first became LOTO, we were a few weeks into lockdown and he didn't get much coverage for the first year or so of his leadership.

    Unless we go full North Korean and declare a three year mourning period for Her Majesty there's enough time for the country to get to know Truss.
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 4,668

    Dynamo said:

    https://uk.yahoo.com/news/republican-protesters-arrested-king-charles-180603015.html

    At the "proclamation" of the king's "accession" in Oxford, a man was arrested for shouting "Who elected him?"

    He was later "de-arrested". "A Thames Valley police spokesperson said: 'A 45-year-old man was arrested in connection with a disturbance that was caused during the county proclamation ceremony of King Charles III in Oxford. He has subsequently been de-arrested and is engaging with us voluntarily as we investigate a public order offence. The man was arrested on suspicion of a public order offence."

    I wonder whether they told him he'd been "de-arrested", and if so, why he didn't just walk out of the police station.

    I guess the authorities don't want anyone to appear in court in the near future (Magna Carta etc.) for expressing republican sentiments.

    There's a difference between being arrested and removed.

    If someone was highly disruptive in a comedy club, musical or theatre, shouting abuse or making a scene, you'd expect them to be thrown out by security, and rightly so.
    But he wasn't in a club, theatre etc, he was in a public place.

    He wasn't the only one arrested yesterday by
    overzealous police, free speech is important.
    He’s free to say it elsewhere but not where he’s creating public nuisance and risks disorder. A bit like when Borat went to that animals rights march and started saying how he likes to eat bears. Sure it was funny but it wasn’t the smartest thing to do. Emotions are running high, someone trolling in this way can do it somewhere else. On here perhaps.
  • MikeL said:

    Not sure if already posted - Savanta ComRes in Daily Mail:

    Lab 42
    Con 35
    LD 10

    Best PM:
    Starmer 36
    Truss 33

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11202257/Boost-Liz-Truss-new-poll-shows-nine-10-voters-plan-freeze-energy-bills.html

    That's as high a Tory number there's been in a poll for a while, so some evidence of a bounce-ette. The Labour number is on the higher side too, though. Looks like the LDs and the Greens are the ones who have seen shifts. The combined Lab+LD+Green is only 55, which is certainly at the low end of what most pollsters have been showing for months now.

  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 42,730
    moonshine said:

    Dynamo said:

    https://uk.yahoo.com/news/republican-protesters-arrested-king-charles-180603015.html

    At the "proclamation" of the king's "accession" in Oxford, a man was arrested for shouting "Who elected him?"

    He was later "de-arrested". "A Thames Valley police spokesperson said: 'A 45-year-old man was arrested in connection with a disturbance that was caused during the county proclamation ceremony of King Charles III in Oxford. He has subsequently been de-arrested and is engaging with us voluntarily as we investigate a public order offence. The man was arrested on suspicion of a public order offence."

    I wonder whether they told him he'd been "de-arrested", and if so, why he didn't just walk out of the police station.

    I guess the authorities don't want anyone to appear in court in the near future (Magna Carta etc.) for expressing republican sentiments.

    There's a difference between being arrested and removed.

    If someone was highly disruptive in a comedy club, musical or theatre, shouting abuse or making a scene, you'd expect them to be thrown out by security, and rightly so.
    But he wasn't in a club, theatre etc, he was in a public place.

    He wasn't the only one arrested yesterday by
    overzealous police, free speech is important.
    He’s free to say it elsewhere but not where he’s creating public nuisance and risks disorder. A bit like when Borat went to that animals rights march and started saying how he likes to eat bears. Sure it was funny but it wasn’t the smartest thing to do. Emotions are running high, someone trolling in this way can do it somewhere else. On here perhaps.
    There is a right to public speech and political protest.
    You can't remove that just by calling it trolling - a highly questionable label in this case.

    You're effectively arguing that right shouldn't exist if it risks offending anyone.


  • Dynamo said:

    https://uk.yahoo.com/news/republican-protesters-arrested-king-charles-180603015.html

    At the "proclamation" of the king's "accession" in Oxford, a man was arrested for shouting "Who elected him?"

    He was later "de-arrested". "A Thames Valley police spokesperson said: 'A 45-year-old man was arrested in connection with a disturbance that was caused during the county proclamation ceremony of King Charles III in Oxford. He has subsequently been de-arrested and is engaging with us voluntarily as we investigate a public order offence. The man was arrested on suspicion of a public order offence."

    I wonder whether they told him he'd been "de-arrested", and if so, why he didn't just walk out of the police station.

    I guess the authorities don't want anyone to appear in court in the near future (Magna Carta etc.) for expressing republican sentiments.

    There's a difference between being arrested and removed.

    If someone was highly disruptive in a comedy club, musical or theatre, shouting abuse or making a scene, you'd expect them to be thrown out by security, and rightly so.
    But he wasn't in a club, theatre etc, he was in a public place.

    He wasn't the only one arrested yesterday by overzealous police, free speech is important.
    Free speech is important but there's a time and a place.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 42,730

    Dynamo said:

    https://uk.yahoo.com/news/republican-protesters-arrested-king-charles-180603015.html

    At the "proclamation" of the king's "accession" in Oxford, a man was arrested for shouting "Who elected him?"

    He was later "de-arrested". "A Thames Valley police spokesperson said: 'A 45-year-old man was arrested in connection with a disturbance that was caused during the county proclamation ceremony of King Charles III in Oxford. He has subsequently been de-arrested and is engaging with us voluntarily as we investigate a public order offence. The man was arrested on suspicion of a public order offence."

    I wonder whether they told him he'd been "de-arrested", and if so, why he didn't just walk out of the police station.

    I guess the authorities don't want anyone to appear in court in the near future (Magna Carta etc.) for expressing republican sentiments.

    There's a difference between being arrested and removed.

    If someone was highly disruptive in a comedy club, musical or theatre, shouting abuse or making a scene, you'd expect them to be thrown out by security, and rightly so.
    Read the details of the case.
    Your comparison is completely invalid.

  • TimSTimS Posts: 2,143
    Good morning. My scan of overnight Ukraine news indicates it was another profitable night. Russia now largely absent from the whole North, and Ukraine nibbling away at Kherson.
  • Dynamo said:

    https://uk.yahoo.com/news/republican-protesters-arrested-king-charles-180603015.html

    At the "proclamation" of the king's "accession" in Oxford, a man was arrested for shouting "Who elected him?"

    He was later "de-arrested". "A Thames Valley police spokesperson said: 'A 45-year-old man was arrested in connection with a disturbance that was caused during the county proclamation ceremony of King Charles III in Oxford. He has subsequently been de-arrested and is engaging with us voluntarily as we investigate a public order offence. The man was arrested on suspicion of a public order offence."

    I wonder whether they told him he'd been "de-arrested", and if so, why he didn't just walk out of the police station.

    I guess the authorities don't want anyone to appear in court in the near future (Magna Carta etc.) for expressing republican sentiments.

    There's a difference between being arrested and removed.

    If someone was highly disruptive in a comedy club, musical or theatre, shouting abuse or making a scene, you'd expect them to be thrown out by security, and rightly so.
    But he wasn't in a club, theatre etc, he was in a public place.

    He wasn't the only one arrested yesterday by overzealous police, free speech is important.
    Free speech is important but there's a time and a place.
    Who decides what is the time and place? Perhaps he thought that this - at the start of a new reign - was exactly the right time to question the process.
  • IcarusIcarus Posts: 706

    On topic, she'll be okay, it's a bit like Starmer when he first became LOTO, we were a few weeks into lockdown and he didn't get much coverage for the first year or so of his leadership.

    Unless we go full North Korean and declare a three year mourning period for Her Majesty there's enough time for the country to get to know Truss.

    Meanwhile back in the real world: It is the increase in the cost of energy that is due to be announced that will be the big test for Truss. Currently electricity costs about 27p per KWh from October 1st it will go to about 35p KWh (though why hasn't this been announced?)- whilst offset by £66 a month for 6 month only, this and the equivalent gas price increase (no £66 discount here) will hit people hard. Over 1.5m homes mainly in rural (Conservative?) areas use oil for heating and the likely cost increase here is very uncertain. Truss has 'promised" a saving of £1,000 per household - there is likely to be a significant reaction when people get their actual bills.
  • moonshine said:

    Dynamo said:

    https://uk.yahoo.com/news/republican-protesters-arrested-king-charles-180603015.html

    At the "proclamation" of the king's "accession" in Oxford, a man was arrested for shouting "Who elected him?"

    He was later "de-arrested". "A Thames Valley police spokesperson said: 'A 45-year-old man was arrested in connection with a disturbance that was caused during the county proclamation ceremony of King Charles III in Oxford. He has subsequently been de-arrested and is engaging with us voluntarily as we investigate a public order offence. The man was arrested on suspicion of a public order offence."

    I wonder whether they told him he'd been "de-arrested", and if so, why he didn't just walk out of the police station.

    I guess the authorities don't want anyone to appear in court in the near future (Magna Carta etc.) for expressing republican sentiments.

    There's a difference between being arrested and removed.

    If someone was highly disruptive in a comedy club, musical or theatre, shouting abuse or making a scene, you'd expect them to be thrown out by security, and rightly so.
    But he wasn't in a club, theatre etc, he was in a public place.

    He wasn't the only one arrested yesterday by
    overzealous police, free speech is important.
    He’s free to say it elsewhere but not where he’s creating public nuisance and risks disorder. A bit like when Borat went to that animals rights march and started saying how he likes to eat bears. Sure it was funny but it wasn’t the smartest thing to do. Emotions are running high, someone trolling in this way can do it somewhere else. On here perhaps.
    Those overzealous police might have been doing him a favour. That chippy owner had her windows smashed in. The trouble with setting out to offend people is you might succeed.
  • Foxy said:

    Dynamo said:

    https://uk.yahoo.com/news/republican-protesters-arrested-king-charles-180603015.html

    At the "proclamation" of the king's "accession" in Oxford, a man was arrested for shouting "Who elected him?"

    He was later "de-arrested". "A Thames Valley police spokesperson said: 'A 45-year-old man was arrested in connection with a disturbance that was caused during the county proclamation ceremony of King Charles III in Oxford. He has subsequently been de-arrested and is engaging with us voluntarily as we investigate a public order offence. The man was arrested on suspicion of a public order offence."

    I wonder whether they told him he'd been "de-arrested", and if so, why he didn't just walk out of the police station.

    I guess the authorities don't want anyone to appear in court in the near future (Magna Carta etc.) for expressing republican sentiments.

    There's a difference between being arrested and removed.

    If someone was highly disruptive in a comedy club, musical or theatre, shouting abuse or making a scene, you'd expect them to be thrown out by security, and rightly so.
    But he wasn't in a club, theatre etc, he was in a public place.

    He wasn't the only one arrested yesterday by overzealous police, free speech is important.
    Free speech is important but there's a time and a place.
    It's not really free speech then.
    If you didn't get on with your mother-in-law, keep your trap shut at her funeral. Celebrate free speech the day after.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 17,829

    On topic, she'll be okay, it's a bit like Starmer when he first became LOTO, we were a few weeks into lockdown and he didn't get much coverage for the first year or so of his leadership.

    Unless we go full North Korean and declare a three year mourning period for Her Majesty there's enough time for the country to get to know Truss.

    Is "getting to know Truss" necessarily an advantage for the Conservatives?
  • Dynamo said:

    https://uk.yahoo.com/news/republican-protesters-arrested-king-charles-180603015.html

    At the "proclamation" of the king's "accession" in Oxford, a man was arrested for shouting "Who elected him?"

    He was later "de-arrested". "A Thames Valley police spokesperson said: 'A 45-year-old man was arrested in connection with a disturbance that was caused during the county proclamation ceremony of King Charles III in Oxford. He has subsequently been de-arrested and is engaging with us voluntarily as we investigate a public order offence. The man was arrested on suspicion of a public order offence."

    I wonder whether they told him he'd been "de-arrested", and if so, why he didn't just walk out of the police station.

    I guess the authorities don't want anyone to appear in court in the near future (Magna Carta etc.) for expressing republican sentiments.

    There's a difference between being arrested and removed.

    If someone was highly disruptive in a comedy club, musical or theatre, shouting abuse or making a scene, you'd expect them to be thrown out by security, and rightly so.
    But he wasn't in a club, theatre etc, he was in a public place.

    He wasn't the only one arrested yesterday by overzealous police, free speech is important.
    Free speech is important but there's a time and a place.
    Who decides what is the time and place? Perhaps he thought that this - at the start of a new reign - was exactly the right time to question the process.
    Quite likely he did think that.
  • StockyStocky Posts: 8,431

    Lib Dems will lose hundreds of thousands over the (unnecessary) cancellation of their conference:

    https://www.theargus.co.uk/news/21271479.lib-dems-cancel-conference-respect-queen-elizabeth-ii/

    I understand that they would not want to run the conference on the day of the Queen's funeral. Given that it was a four day conference I wonder why they didn't just run it for three days - avoiding the day of the funeral? Going to cost them a fortune, no insurance cover for cancelling something needlessly. Would the Queen have wanted this? Is this a manifestation of the tyranny of the majority that the liberals are supposed to fight against?
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 2,073
    Andy_JS said:

    O/T

    In the Sunday Times magazine this week.
    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/my-students-are-in-crisis-after-covid-will-they-ever-recover-q7zxg2fhn

    "Will my students ever be the same again?

    Professor Matthew Goodwin can't believe how introverted and disengaged his undergraduates have become. The Covid era rush to online learning has wrecked the campus experience. It's time to hit reset, he argues" (£)

    Robert Ford dismantled this article on Twitter: https://twitter.com/robfordmancs/status/1568938330322075651
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 10,218
    Swedish general election, with 6243 out of 6578 electoral districts counted. (Note: final count, including 200,000 overseas votes plus late Advance Votes, will be published on Wednesday. Overseas votes tend to be strongly Moderate and Liberal.)

    Projected seat distribution

    Team Kristersson: 175 MPs

    Likely min gov parties:
    M 67 ledamöter (MPs) -3
    KD 19 MPs -3

    Likely C&S parties:
    SD 73 MPs +11
    L 16 MPs -4

    Team Andersson: 174 MPs

    S 108 MPs +8

    C 24 MPs -7
    V 24 MPs -4
    MP 18 MPs +2

  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 2,410

    The Duke of Grope finally found a new role appropriate to his abilities.


    Phrasing implies that Andrew and Sarah are a couple though…
  • darkagedarkage Posts: 2,707

    moonshine said:

    Dynamo said:

    https://uk.yahoo.com/news/republican-protesters-arrested-king-charles-180603015.html

    At the "proclamation" of the king's "accession" in Oxford, a man was arrested for shouting "Who elected him?"

    He was later "de-arrested". "A Thames Valley police spokesperson said: 'A 45-year-old man was arrested in connection with a disturbance that was caused during the county proclamation ceremony of King Charles III in Oxford. He has subsequently been de-arrested and is engaging with us voluntarily as we investigate a public order offence. The man was arrested on suspicion of a public order offence."

    I wonder whether they told him he'd been "de-arrested", and if so, why he didn't just walk out of the police station.

    I guess the authorities don't want anyone to appear in court in the near future (Magna Carta etc.) for expressing republican sentiments.

    There's a difference between being arrested and removed.

    If someone was highly disruptive in a comedy club, musical or theatre, shouting abuse or making a scene, you'd expect them to be thrown out by security, and rightly so.
    But he wasn't in a club, theatre etc, he was in a public place.

    He wasn't the only one arrested yesterday by
    overzealous police, free speech is important.
    He’s free to say it elsewhere but not where he’s creating public nuisance and risks disorder. A bit like when Borat went to that animals rights march and started saying how he likes to eat bears. Sure it was funny but it wasn’t the smartest thing to do. Emotions are running high, someone trolling in this way can do it somewhere else. On here perhaps.
    Hang on, I thought it was snowflakes on the woke left who needed safe spaces from people saying things they don't want to hear.
    Disrupting public events in this way is one thing, and being allowed to express an 'offensive' opinion or share a joke online is something different.

  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 2,410
    Foxy said:

    The Duke of Grope finally found a new role appropriate to his abilities.


    I knew Andrew and Sarah were on good terms, but didn't realise that they were living together.

    I believe they are “living in the same house” rather than “living together”
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 18,793
    Wondering what happened to Boris’s resignation honours.

    In topic, without getting sucked too heavily into politics, I think the country needs change and a fresh government. The advantage of Labour delivering that change is that you reengage 30-40% of electorate, who have been offering nothing in 12 years. It’s important that we all have a stake in the system. We can’t have a one party state.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 34,334

    Foxy said:

    Dynamo said:

    https://uk.yahoo.com/news/republican-protesters-arrested-king-charles-180603015.html

    At the "proclamation" of the king's "accession" in Oxford, a man was arrested for shouting "Who elected him?"

    He was later "de-arrested". "A Thames Valley police spokesperson said: 'A 45-year-old man was arrested in connection with a disturbance that was caused during the county proclamation ceremony of King Charles III in Oxford. He has subsequently been de-arrested and is engaging with us voluntarily as we investigate a public order offence. The man was arrested on suspicion of a public order offence."

    I wonder whether they told him he'd been "de-arrested", and if so, why he didn't just walk out of the police station.

    I guess the authorities don't want anyone to appear in court in the near future (Magna Carta etc.) for expressing republican sentiments.

    There's a difference between being arrested and removed.

    If someone was highly disruptive in a comedy club, musical or theatre, shouting abuse or making a scene, you'd expect them to be thrown out by security, and rightly so.
    But he wasn't in a club, theatre etc, he was in a public place.

    He wasn't the only one arrested yesterday by overzealous police, free speech is important.
    Free speech is important but there's a time and a place.
    It's not really free speech then.
    If you didn't get on with your mother-in-law, keep your trap shut at her funeral. Celebrate free speech the day after.
    This wasn't a funeral, it was proclamation of a new King.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 44,324
    TimS said:

    Good morning. My scan of overnight Ukraine news indicates it was another profitable night. Russia now largely absent from the whole North, and Ukraine nibbling away at Kherson.

    Quite a good piece on how Ukraine has managed this here: https://euromaidanpress.com/2022/09/11/ukraines-counteroffensive-near-kharkiv-what-made-the-blitzkrieg-possible/

    I think the big gains have probably stopped for now, at least in the north. The Ukranian army has not even managed to occupy all of the land the Russians have abandoned and it will take time for lines to re-establish themselves. There is also a hell of of lot of abandoned equipment and munitions to assimilate.

    Russia's strategic problems around Kherson remain and it is possible that there may be a further breakthrough there against deeply demoralised forces.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 14,717

    The Duke of Grope finally found a new role appropriate to his abilities.


    Phrasing implies that Andrew and Sarah are a couple though…
    Morning all.

    Since their arrangements are well known - no, it doesn't.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 46,536

    Dynamo said:

    https://uk.yahoo.com/news/republican-protesters-arrested-king-charles-180603015.html

    At the "proclamation" of the king's "accession" in Oxford, a man was arrested for shouting "Who elected him?"

    He was later "de-arrested". "A Thames Valley police spokesperson said: 'A 45-year-old man was arrested in connection with a disturbance that was caused during the county proclamation ceremony of King Charles III in Oxford. He has subsequently been de-arrested and is engaging with us voluntarily as we investigate a public order offence. The man was arrested on suspicion of a public order offence."

    I wonder whether they told him he'd been "de-arrested", and if so, why he didn't just walk out of the police station.

    I guess the authorities don't want anyone to appear in court in the near future (Magna Carta etc.) for expressing republican sentiments.

    There's a difference between being arrested and removed.

    If someone was highly disruptive in a comedy club, musical or theatre, shouting abuse or making a scene, you'd expect them to be thrown out by security, and rightly so.
    But he wasn't in a club, theatre etc, he was in a public place.

    He wasn't the only one arrested yesterday by overzealous police, free speech is important.
    A club, theatre is also a public place - the definition of that doesnt begin or end depending on whether its roofed or whether admission is charged; the streets had been closed and the crowds managed here in a special way for the specific purpose of allowing everyone there to pay respects to the funeral cortege. It's entirely appropriate that one or two disruptive protestors should be removed by police or security if they are likely to cause gross offend or spoil it for everyone else.

    It's not appropriate that they should be arrested.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 2,410
    Foxy said:

    Dynamo said:

    https://uk.yahoo.com/news/republican-protesters-arrested-king-charles-180603015.html

    At the "proclamation" of the king's "accession" in Oxford, a man was arrested for shouting "Who elected him?"

    He was later "de-arrested". "A Thames Valley police spokesperson said: 'A 45-year-old man was arrested in connection with a disturbance that was caused during the county proclamation ceremony of King Charles III in Oxford. He has subsequently been de-arrested and is engaging with us voluntarily as we investigate a public order offence. The man was arrested on suspicion of a public order offence."

    I wonder whether they told him he'd been "de-arrested", and if so, why he didn't just walk out of the police station.

    I guess the authorities don't want anyone to appear in court in the near future (Magna Carta etc.) for expressing republican sentiments.

    There's a difference between being arrested and removed.

    If someone was highly disruptive in a comedy club, musical or theatre, shouting abuse or making a scene, you'd expect them to be thrown out by security, and rightly so.
    But he wasn't in a club, theatre etc, he was in a public place.

    He wasn't the only one arrested yesterday by overzealous police, free speech is important.
    Free speech is important but there's a time and a place.
    It's not really free speech then.
    Living in a society requires concessions to others’ feelings. There’s a difference between a free debate and protesting at a funeral cortège. Now if it was a Pinochet or Franco (for example) there might be a case because of their actions - but for the Queen there is no over-riding justification.

  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 2,073

    Foxy said:

    Dynamo said:

    https://uk.yahoo.com/news/republican-protesters-arrested-king-charles-180603015.html

    At the "proclamation" of the king's "accession" in Oxford, a man was arrested for shouting "Who elected him?"

    He was later "de-arrested". "A Thames Valley police spokesperson said: 'A 45-year-old man was arrested in connection with a disturbance that was caused during the county proclamation ceremony of King Charles III in Oxford. He has subsequently been de-arrested and is engaging with us voluntarily as we investigate a public order offence. The man was arrested on suspicion of a public order offence."

    I wonder whether they told him he'd been "de-arrested", and if so, why he didn't just walk out of the police station.

    I guess the authorities don't want anyone to appear in court in the near future (Magna Carta etc.) for expressing republican sentiments.

    There's a difference between being arrested and removed.

    If someone was highly disruptive in a comedy club, musical or theatre, shouting abuse or making a scene, you'd expect them to be thrown out by security, and rightly so.
    But he wasn't in a club, theatre etc, he was in a public place.

    He wasn't the only one arrested yesterday by overzealous police, free speech is important.
    Free speech is important but there's a time and a place.
    It's not really free speech then.
    Living in a society requires concessions to others’ feelings. There’s a difference between a free debate and protesting at a funeral cortège. Now if it was a Pinochet or Franco (for example) there might be a case because of their actions - but for the Queen there is no over-riding justification.

    It was at the proclamation, not the funeral cortège.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 46,536
    Nigelb said:

    Dynamo said:

    https://uk.yahoo.com/news/republican-protesters-arrested-king-charles-180603015.html

    At the "proclamation" of the king's "accession" in Oxford, a man was arrested for shouting "Who elected him?"

    He was later "de-arrested". "A Thames Valley police spokesperson said: 'A 45-year-old man was arrested in connection with a disturbance that was caused during the county proclamation ceremony of King Charles III in Oxford. He has subsequently been de-arrested and is engaging with us voluntarily as we investigate a public order offence. The man was arrested on suspicion of a public order offence."

    I wonder whether they told him he'd been "de-arrested", and if so, why he didn't just walk out of the police station.

    I guess the authorities don't want anyone to appear in court in the near future (Magna Carta etc.) for expressing republican sentiments.

    There's a difference between being arrested and removed.

    If someone was highly disruptive in a comedy club, musical or theatre, shouting abuse or making a scene, you'd expect them to be thrown out by security, and rightly so.
    Read the details of the case.
    Your comparison is completely invalid.

    I've read the details of the case and my comparison is totally valid and a measured one. Your post is completely invalid.

    It is being "defended" on here - by those who'd usually be extremely quick to qualify free speech if it were affecting someone's job over a violation of Wokery - because they approve of making disruptive and offensive republican statements that ruin the chance for hundreds to grieve and quietly their respects to a monarch.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 44,324
    Scott_xP said:

    UK GDP grew by 0.2% in July, according to @ONS. Better than expected. Full details: https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/grossdomesticproductgdp/bulletins/gdpmonthlyestimateuk/july2022

    A modest bounce back from the 0.6% fall in June but very welcome for all that. Economy flat over 3 months. Still think we are facing a technical recession across the next 2-3 quarters but it may be shallower than feared.
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 10,218
    felix said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Rightwing bloc heading to victory in Swedish election, 90% of vote count suggests"

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/sep/11/swedish-election-exit-polls-far-right

    Back to Scotland for Dickson?
    No.

    I am a Swede, and respect Swedish democracy. Just as I am a Scot and respect Scottish democracy.

    Although I (very reluctantly) voted Centre Party (the biggest loser yesterday), I am actually reasonably pleased to have a change of government. I was of course a member of the Moderates for many years, including a period as a councillor. A Moderate PM is probably very good news for my bank account 😉

    The key problem for Borgerlig (‘Bourgeois’) Sweden is that we have won the battle but look like losing the war. I predict that this Min Gov is going to be an ugly guddle.

  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 42,730
    darkage said:

    moonshine said:

    Dynamo said:

    https://uk.yahoo.com/news/republican-protesters-arrested-king-charles-180603015.html

    At the "proclamation" of the king's "accession" in Oxford, a man was arrested for shouting "Who elected him?"

    He was later "de-arrested". "A Thames Valley police spokesperson said: 'A 45-year-old man was arrested in connection with a disturbance that was caused during the county proclamation ceremony of King Charles III in Oxford. He has subsequently been de-arrested and is engaging with us voluntarily as we investigate a public order offence. The man was arrested on suspicion of a public order offence."

    I wonder whether they told him he'd been "de-arrested", and if so, why he didn't just walk out of the police station.

    I guess the authorities don't want anyone to appear in court in the near future (Magna Carta etc.) for expressing republican sentiments.

    There's a difference between being arrested and removed.

    If someone was highly disruptive in a comedy club, musical or theatre, shouting abuse or making a scene, you'd expect them to be thrown out by security, and rightly so.
    But he wasn't in a club, theatre etc, he was in a public place.

    He wasn't the only one arrested yesterday by
    overzealous police, free speech is important.
    He’s free to say it elsewhere but not where he’s creating public nuisance and risks disorder. A bit like when Borat went to that animals rights march and started saying how he likes to eat bears. Sure it was funny but it wasn’t the smartest thing to do. Emotions are running high, someone trolling in this way can do it somewhere else. On here perhaps.
    Hang on, I thought it was snowflakes on the woke left who needed safe spaces from people saying things they don't want to hear.
    Disrupting public events in this way is one thing, and being allowed to express an 'offensive' opinion or share a joke online is something different.

    Have you even read the report of the case ?
    He wasn't 'disrupting' anything.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 46,536

    moonshine said:

    Dynamo said:

    https://uk.yahoo.com/news/republican-protesters-arrested-king-charles-180603015.html

    At the "proclamation" of the king's "accession" in Oxford, a man was arrested for shouting "Who elected him?"

    He was later "de-arrested". "A Thames Valley police spokesperson said: 'A 45-year-old man was arrested in connection with a disturbance that was caused during the county proclamation ceremony of King Charles III in Oxford. He has subsequently been de-arrested and is engaging with us voluntarily as we investigate a public order offence. The man was arrested on suspicion of a public order offence."

    I wonder whether they told him he'd been "de-arrested", and if so, why he didn't just walk out of the police station.

    I guess the authorities don't want anyone to appear in court in the near future (Magna Carta etc.) for expressing republican sentiments.

    There's a difference between being arrested and removed.

    If someone was highly disruptive in a comedy club, musical or theatre, shouting abuse or making a scene, you'd expect them to be thrown out by security, and rightly so.
    But he wasn't in a club, theatre etc, he was in a public place.

    He wasn't the only one arrested yesterday by
    overzealous police, free speech is important.
    He’s free to say it elsewhere but not where he’s creating public nuisance and risks disorder. A bit like when Borat went to that animals rights march and started saying how he likes to eat bears. Sure it was funny but it wasn’t the smartest thing to do. Emotions are running high, someone trolling in this way can do it somewhere else. On here perhaps.
    Hang on, I thought it was snowflakes on the woke left who needed safe spaces from people saying things they don't want to hear.
    Let's say one of your closest relatives died.

    Would you like me to turn up at your funeral and hurl abuse whilst you and your family were trying to grieve?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 42,730

    Foxy said:

    Dynamo said:

    https://uk.yahoo.com/news/republican-protesters-arrested-king-charles-180603015.html

    At the "proclamation" of the king's "accession" in Oxford, a man was arrested for shouting "Who elected him?"

    He was later "de-arrested". "A Thames Valley police spokesperson said: 'A 45-year-old man was arrested in connection with a disturbance that was caused during the county proclamation ceremony of King Charles III in Oxford. He has subsequently been de-arrested and is engaging with us voluntarily as we investigate a public order offence. The man was arrested on suspicion of a public order offence."

    I wonder whether they told him he'd been "de-arrested", and if so, why he didn't just walk out of the police station.

    I guess the authorities don't want anyone to appear in court in the near future (Magna Carta etc.) for expressing republican sentiments.

    There's a difference between being arrested and removed.

    If someone was highly disruptive in a comedy club, musical or theatre, shouting abuse or making a scene, you'd expect them to be thrown out by security, and rightly so.
    But he wasn't in a club, theatre etc, he was in a public place.

    He wasn't the only one arrested yesterday by overzealous police, free speech is important.
    Free speech is important but there's a time and a place.
    It's not really free speech then.
    Living in a society requires concessions to others’ feelings. There’s a difference between a free debate and protesting at a funeral cortège. Now if it was a Pinochet or Franco (for example) there might be a case because of their actions - but for the Queen there is no over-riding justification.

    It wasn't a funeral cortege.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 46,536
    Foxy said:

    Dynamo said:

    https://uk.yahoo.com/news/republican-protesters-arrested-king-charles-180603015.html

    At the "proclamation" of the king's "accession" in Oxford, a man was arrested for shouting "Who elected him?"

    He was later "de-arrested". "A Thames Valley police spokesperson said: 'A 45-year-old man was arrested in connection with a disturbance that was caused during the county proclamation ceremony of King Charles III in Oxford. He has subsequently been de-arrested and is engaging with us voluntarily as we investigate a public order offence. The man was arrested on suspicion of a public order offence."

    I wonder whether they told him he'd been "de-arrested", and if so, why he didn't just walk out of the police station.

    I guess the authorities don't want anyone to appear in court in the near future (Magna Carta etc.) for expressing republican sentiments.

    There's a difference between being arrested and removed.

    If someone was highly disruptive in a comedy club, musical or theatre, shouting abuse or making a scene, you'd expect them to be thrown out by security, and rightly so.
    But he wasn't in a club, theatre etc, he was in a public place.

    He wasn't the only one arrested yesterday by overzealous police, free speech is important.
    Free speech is important but there's a time and a place.
    It's not really free speech then.
    You'd be the first person to say that free speech had limits if someone's job or livelihood was under threat for forthright criticism of identity politics.
  • On topic, she'll be okay, it's a bit like Starmer when he first became LOTO, we were a few weeks into lockdown and he didn't get much coverage for the first year or so of his leadership.

    Unless we go full North Korean and declare a three year mourning period for Her Majesty there's enough time for the country to get to know Truss.

    Is "getting to know Truss" necessarily an advantage for the Conservatives?
    Good morning

    You will not be surprised to hear I think Truss is an advantage for the conservatives and will move them on from Johnson

    I am not one for polls at present but the SavantaComRes poll in the mail today seems to confound views of many on here with high approval numbers for the price cap and windfall tax, but also removing levies on energy bills, scrapping the NI increase, and even cancelling corporation tax increases

    I expect by 2024 Truss will have reduced taxes further and increased allowances, which will be a headache for Starmer and labour as they are will have to consider how selling increasing taxation may be received

    No matter Truss v Starmer is going to be an interesting battle over the next 2 years
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 42,730
    edited September 12

    Nigelb said:

    Dynamo said:

    https://uk.yahoo.com/news/republican-protesters-arrested-king-charles-180603015.html

    At the "proclamation" of the king's "accession" in Oxford, a man was arrested for shouting "Who elected him?"

    He was later "de-arrested". "A Thames Valley police spokesperson said: 'A 45-year-old man was arrested in connection with a disturbance that was caused during the county proclamation ceremony of King Charles III in Oxford. He has subsequently been de-arrested and is engaging with us voluntarily as we investigate a public order offence. The man was arrested on suspicion of a public order offence."

    I wonder whether they told him he'd been "de-arrested", and if so, why he didn't just walk out of the police station.

    I guess the authorities don't want anyone to appear in court in the near future (Magna Carta etc.) for expressing republican sentiments.

    There's a difference between being arrested and removed.

    If someone was highly disruptive in a comedy club, musical or theatre, shouting abuse or making a scene, you'd expect them to be thrown out by security, and rightly so.
    Read the details of the case.
    Your comparison is completely invalid.

    I've read the details of the case and my comparison is totally valid and a measured one. Your post is completely invalid.

    It is being "defended" on here - by those who'd usually be extremely quick to qualify free speech if it were affecting someone's job over a violation of Wokery - because they approve of making disruptive and offensive republican statements that ruin the chance for hundreds to grieve and quietly their respects to a monarch.
    It was the local accession proclamation ceremony, which he encountered in passing.
    As such an inherently political event.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 46,536
    Nigelb said:

    Foxy said:

    Dynamo said:

    https://uk.yahoo.com/news/republican-protesters-arrested-king-charles-180603015.html

    At the "proclamation" of the king's "accession" in Oxford, a man was arrested for shouting "Who elected him?"

    He was later "de-arrested". "A Thames Valley police spokesperson said: 'A 45-year-old man was arrested in connection with a disturbance that was caused during the county proclamation ceremony of King Charles III in Oxford. He has subsequently been de-arrested and is engaging with us voluntarily as we investigate a public order offence. The man was arrested on suspicion of a public order offence."

    I wonder whether they told him he'd been "de-arrested", and if so, why he didn't just walk out of the police station.

    I guess the authorities don't want anyone to appear in court in the near future (Magna Carta etc.) for expressing republican sentiments.

    There's a difference between being arrested and removed.

    If someone was highly disruptive in a comedy club, musical or theatre, shouting abuse or making a scene, you'd expect them to be thrown out by security, and rightly so.
    But he wasn't in a club, theatre etc, he was in a public place.

    He wasn't the only one arrested yesterday by overzealous police, free speech is important.
    Free speech is important but there's a time and a place.
    It's not really free speech then.
    Living in a society requires concessions to others’ feelings. There’s a difference between a free debate and protesting at a funeral cortège. Now if it was a Pinochet or Franco (for example) there might be a case because of their actions - but for the Queen there is no over-riding justification.

    It wasn't a funeral cortege.
    God, you're such a dick.

    It was quite literally a funeral cortege. The BBC spent hours announcing it so.

    I've changed my mind: all republicans should be arrested for the next 10 days, and subject to dental torture as well.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 42,730

    moonshine said:

    Dynamo said:

    https://uk.yahoo.com/news/republican-protesters-arrested-king-charles-180603015.html

    At the "proclamation" of the king's "accession" in Oxford, a man was arrested for shouting "Who elected him?"

    He was later "de-arrested". "A Thames Valley police spokesperson said: 'A 45-year-old man was arrested in connection with a disturbance that was caused during the county proclamation ceremony of King Charles III in Oxford. He has subsequently been de-arrested and is engaging with us voluntarily as we investigate a public order offence. The man was arrested on suspicion of a public order offence."

    I wonder whether they told him he'd been "de-arrested", and if so, why he didn't just walk out of the police station.

    I guess the authorities don't want anyone to appear in court in the near future (Magna Carta etc.) for expressing republican sentiments.

    There's a difference between being arrested and removed.

    If someone was highly disruptive in a comedy club, musical or theatre, shouting abuse or making a scene, you'd expect them to be thrown out by security, and rightly so.
    But he wasn't in a club, theatre etc, he was in a public place.

    He wasn't the only one arrested yesterday by
    overzealous police, free speech is important.
    He’s free to say it elsewhere but not where he’s creating public nuisance and risks disorder. A bit like when Borat went to that animals rights march and started saying how he likes to eat bears. Sure it was funny but it wasn’t the smartest thing to do. Emotions are running high, someone trolling in this way can do it somewhere else. On here perhaps.
    Hang on, I thought it was snowflakes on the woke left who needed safe spaces from people saying things they don't want to hear.
    Let's say one of your closest relatives died.

    Would you like me to turn up at your funeral and hurl abuse whilst you and your family were trying to grieve?
    It wasn't a funeral.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 46,536
    Nigelb said:

    moonshine said:

    Dynamo said:

    https://uk.yahoo.com/news/republican-protesters-arrested-king-charles-180603015.html

    At the "proclamation" of the king's "accession" in Oxford, a man was arrested for shouting "Who elected him?"

    He was later "de-arrested". "A Thames Valley police spokesperson said: 'A 45-year-old man was arrested in connection with a disturbance that was caused during the county proclamation ceremony of King Charles III in Oxford. He has subsequently been de-arrested and is engaging with us voluntarily as we investigate a public order offence. The man was arrested on suspicion of a public order offence."

    I wonder whether they told him he'd been "de-arrested", and if so, why he didn't just walk out of the police station.

    I guess the authorities don't want anyone to appear in court in the near future (Magna Carta etc.) for expressing republican sentiments.

    There's a difference between being arrested and removed.

    If someone was highly disruptive in a comedy club, musical or theatre, shouting abuse or making a scene, you'd expect them to be thrown out by security, and rightly so.
    But he wasn't in a club, theatre etc, he was in a public place.

    He wasn't the only one arrested yesterday by
    overzealous police, free speech is important.
    He’s free to say it elsewhere but not where he’s creating public nuisance and risks disorder. A bit like when Borat went to that animals rights march and started saying how he likes to eat bears. Sure it was funny but it wasn’t the smartest thing to do. Emotions are running high, someone trolling in this way can do it somewhere else. On here perhaps.
    Hang on, I thought it was snowflakes on the woke left who needed safe spaces from people saying things they don't want to hear.
    Let's say one of your closest relatives died.

    Would you like me to turn up at your funeral and hurl abuse whilst you and your family were trying to grieve?
    It wasn't a funeral.
    Dick.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 25,994
    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Dynamo said:

    https://uk.yahoo.com/news/republican-protesters-arrested-king-charles-180603015.html

    At the "proclamation" of the king's "accession" in Oxford, a man was arrested for shouting "Who elected him?"

    He was later "de-arrested". "A Thames Valley police spokesperson said: 'A 45-year-old man was arrested in connection with a disturbance that was caused during the county proclamation ceremony of King Charles III in Oxford. He has subsequently been de-arrested and is engaging with us voluntarily as we investigate a public order offence. The man was arrested on suspicion of a public order offence."

    I wonder whether they told him he'd been "de-arrested", and if so, why he didn't just walk out of the police station.

    I guess the authorities don't want anyone to appear in court in the near future (Magna Carta etc.) for expressing republican sentiments.

    There's a difference between being arrested and removed.

    If someone was highly disruptive in a comedy club, musical or theatre, shouting abuse or making a scene, you'd expect them to be thrown out by security, and rightly so.
    Read the details of the case.
    Your comparison is completely invalid.

    I've read the details of the case and my comparison is totally valid and a measured one. Your post is completely invalid.

    It is being "defended" on here - by those who'd usually be extremely quick to qualify free speech if it were affecting someone's job over a violation of Wokery - because they approve of making disruptive and offensive republican statements that ruin the chance for hundreds to grieve and quietly their respects to a monarch.
    It was the local accession proclamation ceremony, which he encountered in passing.
    As such an inherently political event.
    Apparently we have to be totally quiet and respectful about the new monarch because the old one died. Total lack of critical thinking in some quarters about this "fact".
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 42,730

    Nigelb said:

    moonshine said:

    Dynamo said:

    https://uk.yahoo.com/news/republican-protesters-arrested-king-charles-180603015.html

    At the "proclamation" of the king's "accession" in Oxford, a man was arrested for shouting "Who elected him?"

    He was later "de-arrested". "A Thames Valley police spokesperson said: 'A 45-year-old man was arrested in connection with a disturbance that was caused during the county proclamation ceremony of King Charles III in Oxford. He has subsequently been de-arrested and is engaging with us voluntarily as we investigate a public order offence. The man was arrested on suspicion of a public order offence."

    I wonder whether they told him he'd been "de-arrested", and if so, why he didn't just walk out of the police station.

    I guess the authorities don't want anyone to appear in court in the near future (Magna Carta etc.) for expressing republican sentiments.

    There's a difference between being arrested and removed.

    If someone was highly disruptive in a comedy club, musical or theatre, shouting abuse or making a scene, you'd expect them to be thrown out by security, and rightly so.
    But he wasn't in a club, theatre etc, he was in a public place.

    He wasn't the only one arrested yesterday by
    overzealous police, free speech is important.
    He’s free to say it elsewhere but not where he’s creating public nuisance and risks disorder. A bit like when Borat went to that animals rights march and started saying how he likes to eat bears. Sure it was funny but it wasn’t the smartest thing to do. Emotions are running high, someone trolling in this way can do it somewhere else. On here perhaps.
    Hang on, I thought it was snowflakes on the woke left who needed safe spaces from people saying things they don't want to hear.
    Let's say one of your closest relatives died.

    Would you like me to turn up at your funeral and hurl abuse whilst you and your family were trying to grieve?
    It wasn't a funeral.
    Dick.
    Way to engage in debate.
    One might say that you're being unnecessarily abusive, and in light of your above comments, utterly hypocritical.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 25,994

    Nigelb said:

    Foxy said:

    Dynamo said:

    https://uk.yahoo.com/news/republican-protesters-arrested-king-charles-180603015.html

    At the "proclamation" of the king's "accession" in Oxford, a man was arrested for shouting "Who elected him?"

    He was later "de-arrested". "A Thames Valley police spokesperson said: 'A 45-year-old man was arrested in connection with a disturbance that was caused during the county proclamation ceremony of King Charles III in Oxford. He has subsequently been de-arrested and is engaging with us voluntarily as we investigate a public order offence. The man was arrested on suspicion of a public order offence."

    I wonder whether they told him he'd been "de-arrested", and if so, why he didn't just walk out of the police station.

    I guess the authorities don't want anyone to appear in court in the near future (Magna Carta etc.) for expressing republican sentiments.

    There's a difference between being arrested and removed.

    If someone was highly disruptive in a comedy club, musical or theatre, shouting abuse or making a scene, you'd expect them to be thrown out by security, and rightly so.
    But he wasn't in a club, theatre etc, he was in a public place.

    He wasn't the only one arrested yesterday by overzealous police, free speech is important.
    Free speech is important but there's a time and a place.
    It's not really free speech then.
    Living in a society requires concessions to others’ feelings. There’s a difference between a free debate and protesting at a funeral cortège. Now if it was a Pinochet or Franco (for example) there might be a case because of their actions - but for the Queen there is no over-riding justification.

    It wasn't a funeral cortege.
    God, you're such a dick.

    It was quite literally a funeral cortege. The BBC spent hours announcing it so.

    I've changed my mind: all republicans should be arrested for the next 10 days, and subject to dental torture as well.
    . You're muddling a cortege in Edinburgh with a proclamation in Oxford.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 42,730
    edited September 12

    Nigelb said:

    Foxy said:

    Dynamo said:

    https://uk.yahoo.com/news/republican-protesters-arrested-king-charles-180603015.html

    At the "proclamation" of the king's "accession" in Oxford, a man was arrested for shouting "Who elected him?"

    He was later "de-arrested". "A Thames Valley police spokesperson said: 'A 45-year-old man was arrested in connection with a disturbance that was caused during the county proclamation ceremony of King Charles III in Oxford. He has subsequently been de-arrested and is engaging with us voluntarily as we investigate a public order offence. The man was arrested on suspicion of a public order offence."

    I wonder whether they told him he'd been "de-arrested", and if so, why he didn't just walk out of the police station.

    I guess the authorities don't want anyone to appear in court in the near future (Magna Carta etc.) for expressing republican sentiments.

    There's a difference between being arrested and removed.

    If someone was highly disruptive in a comedy club, musical or theatre, shouting abuse or making a scene, you'd expect them to be thrown out by security, and rightly so.
    But he wasn't in a club, theatre etc, he was in a public place.

    He wasn't the only one arrested yesterday by overzealous police, free speech is important.
    Free speech is important but there's a time and a place.
    It's not really free speech then.
    Living in a society requires concessions to others’ feelings. There’s a difference between a free debate and protesting at a funeral cortège. Now if it was a Pinochet or Franco (for example) there might be a case because of their actions - but for the Queen there is no over-riding justification.

    It wasn't a funeral cortege.
    God, you're such a dick.

    It was quite literally a funeral cortege. The BBC spent hours announcing it so.

    I've changed my mind: all republicans should be arrested for the next 10 days, and subject to dental torture as well.
    "...A Thames Valley police spokesperson said: “A 45-year-old man was arrested in connection with a disturbance that was caused during the county proclamation ceremony of King Charles III in Oxford.

    “He has subsequently been de-arrested and is engaging with us voluntarily as we investigate a public order offence. The man was arrested on suspicion of a public order offence [under section 5 of the Public Order Act 1986].”..."

    And I'm not a republican.

    I will take the last piece of your comment as a poor joke.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 9,977



    Would you like me to turn up at your funeral and hurl abuse whilst you and your family were trying to grieve?

    If the funeral is in a private place then the burliest of the undertakers can chuck you out.

    If the funeral is a public place like a layby on the A1 then fucking go for it.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 2,410
    MattW said:

    The Duke of Grope finally found a new role appropriate to his abilities.


    Phrasing implies that Andrew and Sarah are a couple though…
    Morning all.

    Since their arrangements are well known - no, it doesn't.
    To an aficionado like you may be. Most don’t try ink about them month to month.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 46,536
    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    moonshine said:

    Dynamo said:

    https://uk.yahoo.com/news/republican-protesters-arrested-king-charles-180603015.html

    At the "proclamation" of the king's "accession" in Oxford, a man was arrested for shouting "Who elected him?"

    He was later "de-arrested". "A Thames Valley police spokesperson said: 'A 45-year-old man was arrested in connection with a disturbance that was caused during the county proclamation ceremony of King Charles III in Oxford. He has subsequently been de-arrested and is engaging with us voluntarily as we investigate a public order offence. The man was arrested on suspicion of a public order offence."

    I wonder whether they told him he'd been "de-arrested", and if so, why he didn't just walk out of the police station.

    I guess the authorities don't want anyone to appear in court in the near future (Magna Carta etc.) for expressing republican sentiments.

    There's a difference between being arrested and removed.

    If someone was highly disruptive in a comedy club, musical or theatre, shouting abuse or making a scene, you'd expect them to be thrown out by security, and rightly so.
    But he wasn't in a club, theatre etc, he was in a public place.

    He wasn't the only one arrested yesterday by
    overzealous police, free speech is important.
    He’s free to say it elsewhere but not where he’s creating public nuisance and risks disorder. A bit like when Borat went to that animals rights march and started saying how he likes to eat bears. Sure it was funny but it wasn’t the smartest thing to do. Emotions are running high, someone trolling in this way can do it somewhere else. On here perhaps.
    Hang on, I thought it was snowflakes on the woke left who needed safe spaces from people saying things they don't want to hear.
    Let's say one of your closest relatives died.

    Would you like me to turn up at your funeral and hurl abuse whilst you and your family were trying to grieve?
    It wasn't a funeral.
    Dick.
    Way to engage in debate.
    One might say that you're being unnecessarily abusive, and in light of your above comments, utterly hypocritical.
    You're being a dick. Your post was pompous, as well as inaccurate, and you're now trying to grind your way out of it with pedantry.

    It was a hearse. With a coffin in the back. Heading to a lying in state. It was quite literally a funeral cortege. You're trying to defend the indefensible.

    I had taken you off my dickhead list. Now, you will go back on, because you are indeed a dick.

    Good day.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 46,536
    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Foxy said:

    Dynamo said:

    https://uk.yahoo.com/news/republican-protesters-arrested-king-charles-180603015.html

    At the "proclamation" of the king's "accession" in Oxford, a man was arrested for shouting "Who elected him?"

    He was later "de-arrested". "A Thames Valley police spokesperson said: 'A 45-year-old man was arrested in connection with a disturbance that was caused during the county proclamation ceremony of King Charles III in Oxford. He has subsequently been de-arrested and is engaging with us voluntarily as we investigate a public order offence. The man was arrested on suspicion of a public order offence."

    I wonder whether they told him he'd been "de-arrested", and if so, why he didn't just walk out of the police station.

    I guess the authorities don't want anyone to appear in court in the near future (Magna Carta etc.) for expressing republican sentiments.

    There's a difference between being arrested and removed.

    If someone was highly disruptive in a comedy club, musical or theatre, shouting abuse or making a scene, you'd expect them to be thrown out by security, and rightly so.
    But he wasn't in a club, theatre etc, he was in a public place.

    He wasn't the only one arrested yesterday by overzealous police, free speech is important.
    Free speech is important but there's a time and a place.
    It's not really free speech then.
    Living in a society requires concessions to others’ feelings. There’s a difference between a free debate and protesting at a funeral cortège. Now if it was a Pinochet or Franco (for example) there might be a case because of their actions - but for the Queen there is no over-riding justification.

    It wasn't a funeral cortege.
    God, you're such a dick.

    It was quite literally a funeral cortege. The BBC spent hours announcing it so.

    I've changed my mind: all republicans should be arrested for the next 10 days, and subject to dental torture as well.
    "...A Thames Valley police spokesperson said: “A 45-year-old man was arrested in connection with a disturbance that was caused during the county proclamation ceremony of King Charles III in Oxford.

    “He has subsequently been de-arrested and is engaging with us voluntarily as we investigate a public order offence. The man was arrested on suspicion of a public order offence [under section 5 of the Public Order Act 1986].”..."

    And I'm not a republican.
    If you'd read my posts, dipshit, you'll see I said I didn't agree with him being arrested but did agree with his removal.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 25,994

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    moonshine said:

    Dynamo said:

    https://uk.yahoo.com/news/republican-protesters-arrested-king-charles-180603015.html

    At the "proclamation" of the king's "accession" in Oxford, a man was arrested for shouting "Who elected him?"

    He was later "de-arrested". "A Thames Valley police spokesperson said: 'A 45-year-old man was arrested in connection with a disturbance that was caused during the county proclamation ceremony of King Charles III in Oxford. He has subsequently been de-arrested and is engaging with us voluntarily as we investigate a public order offence. The man was arrested on suspicion of a public order offence."

    I wonder whether they told him he'd been "de-arrested", and if so, why he didn't just walk out of the police station.

    I guess the authorities don't want anyone to appear in court in the near future (Magna Carta etc.) for expressing republican sentiments.

    There's a difference between being arrested and removed.

    If someone was highly disruptive in a comedy club, musical or theatre, shouting abuse or making a scene, you'd expect them to be thrown out by security, and rightly so.
    But he wasn't in a club, theatre etc, he was in a public place.

    He wasn't the only one arrested yesterday by
    overzealous police, free speech is important.
    He’s free to say it elsewhere but not where he’s creating public nuisance and risks disorder. A bit like when Borat went to that animals rights march and started saying how he likes to eat bears. Sure it was funny but it wasn’t the smartest thing to do. Emotions are running high, someone trolling in this way can do it somewhere else. On here perhaps.
    Hang on, I thought it was snowflakes on the woke left who needed safe spaces from people saying things they don't want to hear.
    Let's say one of your closest relatives died.

    Would you like me to turn up at your funeral and hurl abuse whilst you and your family were trying to grieve?
    It wasn't a funeral.
    Dick.
    Way to engage in debate.
    One might say that you're being unnecessarily abusive, and in light of your above comments, utterly hypocritical.
    You're being a dick. Your post was pompous, as well as inaccurate, and you're now trying to grind your way out of it with pedantry.

    It was a hearse. With a coffin in the back. Heading to a lying in state. It was quite literally a funeral cortege. You're trying to defend the indefensible.

    I had taken you off my dickhead list. Now, you will go back on, because you are indeed a dick.

    Good day.
    "county proclamation ceremony of King Charles III in Oxford" is what the OP said and you re3sponded to.
  • darkage said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Rightwing bloc heading to victory in Swedish election, 90% of vote count suggests"

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/sep/11/swedish-election-exit-polls-far-right

    It is quite amusing to see the Sweden Democrats branded in these articles as 'far right'. One day the 'far right' will actually come on the scene and make parties like the Sweden Democrats look like Nick Clegg circa 2010.

    It does seem to me, looking at the changes that have taken place in Sweden through mass immigration and the failure of elements of multiculturalism, that there would inevitably be this type of political reaction.

    The real question, for those genuinely concerned about the 'far right', is whether or not the Sweden Democracts and their likely partners can make any real progress at dealing with the situation that has emerged.


    Hmm.

    "At the height of the campaign, the SD billed a metro train decorated in its electoral colours as the “repatriation express”. “Welcome aboard with a one-way ticket. Next stop, Kabul,” tweeted the party’s legal spokesperson, highlighting the SD’s demand to remove non-European immigrants."

  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 46,536
    Carnyx said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    moonshine said:

    Dynamo said:

    https://uk.yahoo.com/news/republican-protesters-arrested-king-charles-180603015.html

    At the "proclamation" of the king's "accession" in Oxford, a man was arrested for shouting "Who elected him?"

    He was later "de-arrested". "A Thames Valley police spokesperson said: 'A 45-year-old man was arrested in connection with a disturbance that was caused during the county proclamation ceremony of King Charles III in Oxford. He has subsequently been de-arrested and is engaging with us voluntarily as we investigate a public order offence. The man was arrested on suspicion of a public order offence."

    I wonder whether they told him he'd been "de-arrested", and if so, why he didn't just walk out of the police station.

    I guess the authorities don't want anyone to appear in court in the near future (Magna Carta etc.) for expressing republican sentiments.

    There's a difference between being arrested and removed.

    If someone was highly disruptive in a comedy club, musical or theatre, shouting abuse or making a scene, you'd expect them to be thrown out by security, and rightly so.
    But he wasn't in a club, theatre etc, he was in a public place.

    He wasn't the only one arrested yesterday by
    overzealous police, free speech is important.
    He’s free to say it elsewhere but not where he’s creating public nuisance and risks disorder. A bit like when Borat went to that animals rights march and started saying how he likes to eat bears. Sure it was funny but it wasn’t the smartest thing to do. Emotions are running high, someone trolling in this way can do it somewhere else. On here perhaps.
    Hang on, I thought it was snowflakes on the woke left who needed safe spaces from people saying things they don't want to hear.
    Let's say one of your closest relatives died.

    Would you like me to turn up at your funeral and hurl abuse whilst you and your family were trying to grieve?
    It wasn't a funeral.
    Dick.
    Way to engage in debate.
    One might say that you're being unnecessarily abusive, and in light of your above comments, utterly hypocritical.
    You're being a dick. Your post was pompous, as well as inaccurate, and you're now trying to grind your way out of it with pedantry.

    It was a hearse. With a coffin in the back. Heading to a lying in state. It was quite literally a funeral cortege. You're trying to defend the indefensible.

    I had taken you off my dickhead list. Now, you will go back on, because you are indeed a dick.

    Good day.
    "county proclamation ceremony of King Charles III in Oxford" is what the OP said and you re3sponded to.
    There were several incidents yesterday.

    I was referring to Edinburgh where the funeral cortège passed through.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 9,977



    I had taken you off my dickhead list. Now, you will go back on, because you are indeed a dick.

    Good day.

    Are you sure you're not getting two different lists mixed up. dick/dickhead. Check the names of the tabs on the .xlsx.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 28,945
    edited September 12
    Nigelb said:

    moonshine said:

    Dynamo said:

    https://uk.yahoo.com/news/republican-protesters-arrested-king-charles-180603015.html

    At the "proclamation" of the king's "accession" in Oxford, a man was arrested for shouting "Who elected him?"

    He was later "de-arrested". "A Thames Valley police spokesperson said: 'A 45-year-old man was arrested in connection with a disturbance that was caused during the county proclamation ceremony of King Charles III in Oxford. He has subsequently been de-arrested and is engaging with us voluntarily as we investigate a public order offence. The man was arrested on suspicion of a public order offence."

    I wonder whether they told him he'd been "de-arrested", and if so, why he didn't just walk out of the police station.

    I guess the authorities don't want anyone to appear in court in the near future (Magna Carta etc.) for expressing republican sentiments.

    There's a difference between being arrested and removed.

    If someone was highly disruptive in a comedy club, musical or theatre, shouting abuse or making a scene, you'd expect them to be thrown out by security, and rightly so.
    But he wasn't in a club, theatre etc, he was in a public place.

    He wasn't the only one arrested yesterday by
    overzealous police, free speech is important.
    He’s free to say it elsewhere but not where he’s creating public nuisance and risks disorder. A bit like when Borat went to that animals rights march and started saying how he likes to eat bears. Sure it was funny but it wasn’t the smartest thing to do. Emotions are running high, someone trolling in this way can do it somewhere else. On here perhaps.
    There is a right to public speech and political protest.
    You can't remove that just by calling it trolling - a highly questionable label in this case.

    You're effectively arguing that right shouldn't exist if it risks offending anyone.


    That is exactly what has been argued as part of the modern “sensitivity” culture.

    This is why the ACLU used to defend the free speech of literal, actual Nazis. Because once you start banning offensive people, the list is infinite.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 2,410
    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Foxy said:

    Dynamo said:

    https://uk.yahoo.com/news/republican-protesters-arrested-king-charles-180603015.html

    At the "proclamation" of the king's "accession" in Oxford, a man was arrested for shouting "Who elected him?"

    He was later "de-arrested". "A Thames Valley police spokesperson said: 'A 45-year-old man was arrested in connection with a disturbance that was caused during the county proclamation ceremony of King Charles III in Oxford. He has subsequently been de-arrested and is engaging with us voluntarily as we investigate a public order offence. The man was arrested on suspicion of a public order offence."

    I wonder whether they told him he'd been "de-arrested", and if so, why he didn't just walk out of the police station.

    I guess the authorities don't want anyone to appear in court in the near future (Magna Carta etc.) for expressing republican sentiments.

    There's a difference between being arrested and removed.

    If someone was highly disruptive in a comedy club, musical or theatre, shouting abuse or making a scene, you'd expect them to be thrown out by security, and rightly so.
    But he wasn't in a club, theatre etc, he was in a public place.

    He wasn't the only one arrested yesterday by overzealous police, free speech is important.
    Free speech is important but there's a time and a place.
    It's not really free speech then.
    Living in a society requires concessions to others’ feelings. There’s a difference between a free debate and protesting at a funeral cortège. Now if it was a Pinochet or Franco (for example) there might be a case because of their actions - but for the Queen there is no over-riding justification.

    It wasn't a funeral cortege.
    God, you're such a dick.

    It was quite literally a funeral cortege. The BBC spent hours announcing it so.

    I've changed my mind: all republicans should be arrested for the next 10 days, and subject to dental torture as well.
    "...A Thames Valley police spokesperson said: “A 45-year-old man was arrested in connection with a disturbance that was caused during the county proclamation ceremony of King Charles III in Oxford.

    “He has subsequently been de-arrested and is engaging with us voluntarily as we investigate a public order offence. The man was arrested on suspicion of a public order offence [under section 5 of the Public Order Act 1986].”..."

    And I'm not a republican.

    I will take the last piece of your comment as a poor joke.
    We’ve only heard the protester’s side though. I suspect the police asked him to desist - he refused; they asked him to depart - he refused; arresting him resolved the situation…
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 59,344
    Good morning, everyone.

    Red bets on football, although worth noting the EPL ones did get voided for reasons you may be aware of.

    https://enormo-haddock.blogspot.com/2022/09/some-poor-results.html
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 35,988
    If anything Truss will be remembered for that last audience with Queen Elizabeth and her first with HMK.

    That will be a (perhaps huge) positive for her amongst those who don't really follow or like politics (eg the whole country minus PB).
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 34,749
    edited September 12

    Nigelb said:

    Foxy said:

    Dynamo said:

    https://uk.yahoo.com/news/republican-protesters-arrested-king-charles-180603015.html

    At the "proclamation" of the king's "accession" in Oxford, a man was arrested for shouting "Who elected him?"

    He was later "de-arrested". "A Thames Valley police spokesperson said: 'A 45-year-old man was arrested in connection with a disturbance that was caused during the county proclamation ceremony of King Charles III in Oxford. He has subsequently been de-arrested and is engaging with us voluntarily as we investigate a public order offence. The man was arrested on suspicion of a public order offence."

    I wonder whether they told him he'd been "de-arrested", and if so, why he didn't just walk out of the police station.

    I guess the authorities don't want anyone to appear in court in the near future (Magna Carta etc.) for expressing republican sentiments.

    There's a difference between being arrested and removed.

    If someone was highly disruptive in a comedy club, musical or theatre, shouting abuse or making a scene, you'd expect them to be thrown out by security, and rightly so.
    But he wasn't in a club, theatre etc, he was in a public place.

    He wasn't the only one arrested yesterday by overzealous police, free speech is important.
    Free speech is important but there's a time and a place.
    It's not really free speech then.
    Living in a society requires concessions to others’ feelings. There’s a difference between a free debate and protesting at a funeral cortège. Now if it was a Pinochet or Franco (for example) there might be a case because of their actions - but for the Queen there is no over-riding justification.

    It wasn't a funeral cortege.
    God, you're such a dick.

    It was quite literally a funeral cortege. The BBC spent hours announcing it so.

    I've changed my mind: all republicans should be arrested for the next 10 days, and subject to dental torture as well.
    Why are royalists so angry?
  • Dynamo said:

    https://uk.yahoo.com/news/republican-protesters-arrested-king-charles-180603015.html

    At the "proclamation" of the king's "accession" in Oxford, a man was arrested for shouting "Who elected him?"

    He was later "de-arrested". "A Thames Valley police spokesperson said: 'A 45-year-old man was arrested in connection with a disturbance that was caused during the county proclamation ceremony of King Charles III in Oxford. He has subsequently been de-arrested and is engaging with us voluntarily as we investigate a public order offence. The man was arrested on suspicion of a public order offence."

    I wonder whether they told him he'd been "de-arrested", and if so, why he didn't just walk out of the police station.

    I guess the authorities don't want anyone to appear in court in the near future (Magna Carta etc.) for expressing republican sentiments.

    Poor Magna Carta. Always being invited to parties where she's not
    Nigelb said:

    moonshine said:

    Dynamo said:

    https://uk.yahoo.com/news/republican-protesters-arrested-king-charles-180603015.html

    At the "proclamation" of the king's "accession" in Oxford, a man was arrested for shouting "Who elected him?"

    He was later "de-arrested". "A Thames Valley police spokesperson said: 'A 45-year-old man was arrested in connection with a disturbance that was caused during the county proclamation ceremony of King Charles III in Oxford. He has subsequently been de-arrested and is engaging with us voluntarily as we investigate a public order offence. The man was arrested on suspicion of a public order offence."

    I wonder whether they told him he'd been "de-arrested", and if so, why he didn't just walk out of the police station.

    I guess the authorities don't want anyone to appear in court in the near future (Magna Carta etc.) for expressing republican sentiments.

    There's a difference between being arrested
    and removed.

    If someone was highly disruptive in a comedy club, musical or theatre, shouting abuse or making a scene, you'd expect them to be thrown out by security, and rightly so.
    But he wasn't in a club, theatre etc, he was in a public place.

    He wasn't the only one arrested yesterday by
    overzealous police, free speech is important.
    He’s free to say it elsewhere but not where he’s creating public nuisance and risks disorder. A bit like when Borat went to that animals rights march and started saying how he likes to eat bears. Sure it was funny but it wasn’t the smartest thing to do. Emotions are running high, someone trolling in this way can do it somewhere else. On here perhaps.
    There is a right to public speech and political protest.
    You can't remove that just by calling it trolling - a highly questionable label in this case.

    You're effectively arguing that right shouldn't exist if it risks offending anyone.



    That is exactly what has been argued as part of the modern “sensitivity” culture.

    This is why the ACLU used to defend the free speech of literal, actual Nazis. Because once you start banning offensive people, the list is infinite.
    Agreed. What was laughable about the reaction of those complaining about this was that their commentary of "why should someone be arrested for expressing an unpopular opinion?" is exactly at odds with their stance when it comes to their causes. If the sign has said "F**k Trans Rights", Twitter would have been inundated with calls to arrest the perpetrator etc.

    As usual, with such types, they are not objecting on the grounds of principle but because it's 'their' side being targeted.

  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 10,218
    TOPPING said:

    If anything Truss will be remembered for that last audience with Queen Elizabeth and her first with HMK.

    That will be a (perhaps huge) positive for her amongst those who don't really follow or like politics (eg the whole country minus PB).

    I concur.

    I think Truss hit the sweet spot in that regard. In poor taste, but heck, when did PB ever show refinement, poise and discretion?
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