The first favourability ratings on Truss don’t look good – politicalbetting.com
The above from People Polling for GB News is the first leader rating data we have since she was elected and as can be seen just 15% view her favourably. That compares with a whopping 51% saying unfavourable.
I think for good or ill we should avoid thinking about Truss' favourability ratings for about a month.
My guess is they will be pretty good for about 2 weeks, then she will start to struggle as inflation bites. True, she's trying to mitigate it, but saying 'hey, things would be more shit without me' isn't a winning strategy.
I do think she will get sympathy for being appointed the week the Queen died, and so far she has handled it well.
Edit - and I am truly fucking fed up with autocorrect changing 'ill' to 'I'll' all the bloody time, but at least I can say I got a first.
I think for good or ill we should avoid thinking about Truss' favourability ratings for about a month.
My guess is they will be pretty good for about 2 weeks, then she will start to struggle as inflation bites. True, sheiks trying to mitigate it, but saying 'hey, things would be more shit without me' isn't a winning strategy.
I do think she will get sympathy for being appointed the week the Queen died, and so far she has handled it well.
Edit - and I am truly fucking fed up with autocorrect changing 'ill' to 'I'll' all the bloody time, but at least I can say I got a first.
Her energy plans project a 5% drop in inflation as affirmed by the city and the pound rose against both the euro and dollar today
I think for good or ill we should avoid thinking about Truss' favourability ratings for about a month.
My guess is they will be pretty good for about 2 weeks, then she will start to struggle as inflation bites. True, sheiks trying to mitigate it, but saying 'hey, things would be more shit without me' isn't a winning strategy.
I do think she will get sympathy for being appointed the week the Queen died, and so far she has handled it well.
Edit - and I am truly fucking fed up with autocorrect changing 'ill' to 'I'll' all the bloody time, but at least I can say I got a first.
Her energy plans project a 5% drop in inflation as affirmed by the city and the pound rose against both the euro and dollar today
You are cheerleading for Truss as HYUFD did for Johnson. Keep it up.
I rather like her. And I think she would be a good PM in “normal” times
But she is sailing into overwhelming headwinds and, after 12 years, the public wants the Tories out. That’s it. Sunak would not have done any better. The Tories are doomed
I think for good or ill we should avoid thinking about Truss' favourability ratings for about a month.
My guess is they will be pretty good for about 2 weeks, then she will start to struggle as inflation bites. True, sheiks trying to mitigate it, but saying 'hey, things would be more shit without me' isn't a winning strategy.
I do think she will get sympathy for being appointed the week the Queen died, and so far she has handled it well.
Edit - and I am truly fucking fed up with autocorrect changing 'ill' to 'I'll' all the bloody time, but at least I can say I got a first.
Her energy plans project a 5% drop in inflation as affirmed by the city and the pound rose against both the euro and dollar today
I thought it was a drop to 5%, but in a sense I don't think that matters. There are still going to be very large increases in fuel and food prices, and unless British Gas are being nice to everyone for some reason it's still going to be very painful.
That's not to say her actions will have a negligible impact. Economically they may do the job. But politically it's always a hard sell to say, 'yes, things are worse but if it wasn't for me they would be much worse.' It didn't work for either Brown or Major, who took drastic action to save the economy from total collapse and still got blamed for the ensuing still fairly serious problems their corrective measures caused.
I think for good or ill we should avoid thinking about Truss' favourability ratings for about a month.
My guess is they will be pretty good for about 2 weeks, then she will start to struggle as inflation bites. True, she's trying to mitigate it, but saying 'hey, things would be more shit without me' isn't a winning strategy.
I do think she will get sympathy for being appointed the week the Queen died, and so far she has handled it well.
Edit - and I am truly fucking fed up with autocorrect changing 'ill' to 'I'll' all the bloody time, but at least I can say I got a first.
Since you mentioned it ipt it seems appropriate to mention that the 14 yo Elizabeth would have listened to:
What General Weygand has called the Battle of France is over. I expect the Battle of Britain is about to begin. Upon this battle depends the survival of Christian civilisation. Upon it depends our own British life, and the long continuity of our institutions and our Empire. The whole fury and might of the enemy must very soon be turned on us. Hitler knows that he will have to break us in this island or lose the war. If we can stand up to him, all Europe may be freed and the life of the world may move forward into broad, sunlit uplands. But if we fail, then the whole world, including the United States, including all that we have known and cared for, will sink into the abyss of a new Dark Age made more sinister, and perhaps more protracted, by the lights of perverted science. Let us therefore brace ourselves to our duties, and so bear ourselves that, if the British Empire and its Commonwealth last for a thousand years, men will still say, 'This was their finest hour.'
It seems the HOC returns the day before the emergency budget and Truss is due to go to the US that week
It appears energy companies are to contact consumers with details of the energy cap this month, and deduct £66 per month from October bills each month for 6 months, something Starmer was to cancel in his plans
(From last thread. I felt unlucky to be the penultimate post)
A friend was awarded a knighthood for his research. It seems a queue was formed of recipients to briefly be presented to her Maj. Anyway, when it was his turn she asked him what he did (quantum chaos) whereupon he gave a paragraph answer. He sez she looked briefly like she had been coshed. His retelling was affectionate. As a republican myself I forgive him for accepting the gong because he is brilliant and of humble provenance.
Make no mistake, the Queen's legacy, as I see it, is that there is great value in application and doing one's very best.
There are rumors about fighting in the circled areas and around Lyman. I think it's possible since we have confirmed AFU presence in the area. I believe this is the preparation of a bridge head for another offensive.
Ukraine's armed forces managed a crossing of the river near Lyman a couple of days ago, and it's possible that this is about to become a third front of major advance from Ukraine. A real sense of the Russian army having been broken by recent reverses. Is there a Russian formation that can hold a line somewhere and stabilise the situation?
Ah, there's some video.
OSINTtechnical @Osinttechnical Videos show mechanized Ukrainian forces crossing the T0514 bridge over the Siverskyi Donets River, reportedly heading towards Lyman.
Apparently Putin is holding an emergency meeting of his State Security Committee (or whatever). The only options I can think of for them are:
1. Declare war and a general mobilisation to throw numbers at the problem. 2. Escalate with nuclear weapons. 3. Withdraw to a smaller, more easily-defended perimeter. 4. Declare a unilateral ceasefire and attempt to have Ukraine pressured to accept this. 5. Reject all these options, and change nothing.
I think for good or ill we should avoid thinking about Truss' favourability ratings for about a month.
Yes, polls at the moment are pretty much useless. I wouldn't bother holding any at the moment.
They're never much use at this point in the electoral cycle and particularly in the summer months. I would tend to look at the broader picture, but then if you are a government supporter maybe you'd prefer not to.
Increasingly seems that the relative neutrality of Truss’s style means she is getting filed by the public as “standard Tory”. Her ratings reflect what the voters think of standard Tory 12 years in.
Arguably Starmer’s similar neutrality means he’s being rated as “standard labour” too. And Davey is very much standard LibDem.
Whither the days of decidedly non-neutral Boris, Jeremy and Jo?
PB Tories will say "polls don't matter" until one shows the Tories going forward, then they will be important again!!!!
Look, either fucking engage with individual posters, or post original and interesting thoughts of your own, or fuck off. There is NOTHING more fucking tedious than non specific sniping at "pb Tories" for what you very unimaginatively expect them to say rather than anything they actually do say.
PB Tories will say "polls don't matter" until one shows the Tories going forward, then they will be important again!!!!
Look, either fucking engage with individual posters, or post original and interesting thoughts of your own, or fuck off. There is NOTHING more fucking tedious than non specific sniping at "pb Tories" for what you very unimaginatively expect them to say rather than anything they actually do say.
I think for good or ill we should avoid thinking about Truss' favourability ratings for about a month.
My guess is they will be pretty good for about 2 weeks, then she will start to struggle as inflation bites. True, sheiks trying to mitigate it, but saying 'hey, things would be more shit without me' isn't a winning strategy.
I do think she will get sympathy for being appointed the week the Queen died, and so far she has handled it well.
Edit - and I am truly fucking fed up with autocorrect changing 'ill' to 'I'll' all the bloody time, but at least I can say I got a first.
Her energy plans project a 5% drop in inflation as affirmed by the city and the pound rose against both the euro and dollar today
You are cheerleading for Truss as HYUFD did for Johnson. Keep it up.
Why not
I wanted Johnson gone and had reservations about Truss but she has impressed me and just as Labour fans are ramping Starmer some of us will promote Truss
And by the way what is wrong with my statement and labour supporters seem to be getting quite worried, which they should
I think for good or ill we should avoid thinking about Truss' favourability ratings for about a month.
Yes, polls at the moment are pretty much useless. I wouldn't bother holding any at the moment.
They're never much use at this point in the electoral cycle and particularly in the summer months. I would tend to look at the broader picture, but then if you are a government supporter maybe you'd prefer not to.
Well I'm not a government supporter (or a Monarchist), but I don't think it's controversial to say that taking a poll now might be affected by other things that are happening at the moment.
It seems the HOC returns the day before the emergency budget and Truss is due to go to the US that week
It appears energy companies are to contact consumers with details of the energy cap this month, and deduct £66 per month from October bills each month for 6 months, something Starmer was to cancel in his plans
PB Tories will say "polls don't matter" until one shows the Tories going forward, then they will be important again!!!!
Look, either fucking engage with individual posters, or post original and interesting thoughts of your own, or fuck off. There is NOTHING more fucking tedious than non specific sniping at "pb Tories" for what you very unimaginatively expect them to say rather than anything they actually do say.
PB Tories will say "polls don't matter" until one shows the Tories going forward, then they will be important again!!!!
Look, either fucking engage with individual posters, or post original and interesting thoughts of your own, or fuck off. There is NOTHING more fucking tedious than non specific sniping at "pb Tories" for what you very unimaginatively expect them to say rather than anything they actually do say.
Indeed
Do you remember when you sat here and told me not to be abusive? Now you're cheering it on and agreeing with it.
PB Tories will say "polls don't matter" until one shows the Tories going forward, then they will be important again!!!!
Nah, most PB Tories said that polls didn't matter even when the Tories were in the lead, but glad you acknowledge that the Tories will go forward again.
No midterm polls matter, never have done, never will do.
Midterm polls before this week has been digested? Even more worthless than normal.
Taking a poll when the media is talking about £3600 energy bills and 15% inflation is completely different to when the energy bills have been addressed and inflation is expected to be 5% lower, but even that announcement was overshadowed by what happened while it was being announced.
So, for 'tory lead September' betting we have a completely unmoved YouGov and Redfield but movement 'into the herd' and with People's Polling. Opinium last weekend moved back to 4 points and looks ths only 'possible' contender as it stands. Techne didnt report today and it looks like they've gone fortnightly. Of course, polling may be sparse during mourning so that further messes with the September hawks
I think for good or ill we should avoid thinking about Truss' favourability ratings for about a month.
Yes, polls at the moment are pretty much useless. I wouldn't bother holding any at the moment.
They're never much use at this point in the electoral cycle and particularly in the summer months. I would tend to look at the broader picture, but then if you are a government supporter maybe you'd prefer not to.
Well I'm not a government supporter (or a Monarchist), but I don't think it's controversial to say that taking a poll now might be affected by other things that are happening at the moment.
Didn't suggest you were, merely that the broader picture looks pretty grim for Government supporters regardless of the polls, or recent exceptional events.
It seems the HOC returns the day before the emergency budget and Truss is due to go to the US that week
It appears energy companies are to contact consumers with details of the energy cap this month, and deduct £66 per month from October bills each month for 6 months, something Starmer was to cancel in his plans
Anyone can borrow £150 billion.
The Blessed Liz isn't doing anything clever.
She is addressing the biggest crisis we have seen since the war and which is also causing disruption across Europe
Tonight the EU have failed to agree an energy price cap and shortly Italy is likely to elect a far right pro Putin government
Vaguely remembering days of being a bit monged in the odd dance pit, her stance seems to be the start of the “Truss Bounce”, a hitherto neglected dance move from 90’s student nights.
I think for good or ill we should avoid thinking about Truss' favourability ratings for about a month.
My guess is they will be pretty good for about 2 weeks, then she will start to struggle as inflation bites. True, sheiks trying to mitigate it, but saying 'hey, things would be more shit without me' isn't a winning strategy.
I do think she will get sympathy for being appointed the week the Queen died, and so far she has handled it well.
Edit - and I am truly fucking fed up with autocorrect changing 'ill' to 'I'll' all the bloody time, but at least I can say I got a first.
Her energy plans project a 5% drop in inflation as affirmed by the city and the pound rose against both the euro and dollar today
You are cheerleading for Truss as HYUFD did for Johnson. Keep it up.
Why not
I wanted Johnson gone and had reservations about Truss but she has impressed me and just as Labour fans are ramping Starmer some of us will promote Truss
And by the way what is wrong with my statement and labour supporters seem to be getting quite worried, which they should
Labour fans ramping Starmer?
Liz Truss has been thrown in at the deep end and she is doing fine. Not perfect but under the difficult circumstances, very well. Head and shoulders better than Johnson would have handled it.
If she jettisons all the ERG/CRG/ goodness knows what elseRG nonsense I would have more time for her. And if she can turn the economy around that doesn't worry me. In fact I would be relieved.
Tbh now isn't really the time for party political ramping and to be honest not many on here are indulging.
Risk of tactical nuclear escalation is probably the highest it’s been since March.
I was surprised General Zaluzhny dropped the 'n' word in his recent interview. I hope we've thought about it and communicated things through the correct channels.
Strong rumours that Ukrainian troops have entered Izyum. I am struggling to understand how they could have broken through the Russian lines with such ease but there you go.
It seems the HOC returns the day before the emergency budget and Truss is due to go to the US that week
It appears energy companies are to contact consumers with details of the energy cap this month, and deduct £66 per month from October bills each month for 6 months, something Starmer was to cancel in his plans
Anyone can borrow £150 billion.
The Blessed Liz isn't doing anything clever.
She is addressing the biggest crisis we have seen since the war and which is also causing disruption across Europe
Tonight the EU have failed to agree an energy price cap and shortly Italy is likely to elect a far right pro Putin government
No, she is addressing the biggest crisis since the global financial crisis.
So, for 'tory lead September' betting we have a completely unmoved YouGov and Redfield but movement 'into the herd' and with People's Polling. Opinium last weekend moved back to 4 points and looks ths only 'possible' contender as it stands. Techne didnt report today and it looks like they've gone fortnightly. Of course, polling may be sparse during mourning so that further messes with the September hawks
I've got a bet on a Tory lead. Good chance Opinium delivers
So, for 'tory lead September' betting we have a completely unmoved YouGov and Redfield but movement 'into the herd' and with People's Polling. Opinium last weekend moved back to 4 points and looks ths only 'possible' contender as it stands. Techne didnt report today and it looks like they've gone fortnightly. Of course, polling may be sparse during mourning so that further messes with the September hawks
I think for good or ill we should avoid thinking about Truss' favourability ratings for about a month.
My guess is they will be pretty good for about 2 weeks, then she will start to struggle as inflation bites. True, sheiks trying to mitigate it, but saying 'hey, things would be more shit without me' isn't a winning strategy.
I do think she will get sympathy for being appointed the week the Queen died, and so far she has handled it well.
Edit - and I am truly fucking fed up with autocorrect changing 'ill' to 'I'll' all the bloody time, but at least I can say I got a first.
Her energy plans project a 5% drop in inflation as affirmed by the city and the pound rose against both the euro and dollar today
You are cheerleading for Truss as HYUFD did for Johnson. Keep it up.
Why not
I wanted Johnson gone and had reservations about Truss but she has impressed me and just as Labour fans are ramping Starmer some of us will promote Truss
And by the way what is wrong with my statement and labour supporters seem to be getting quite worried, which they should
Labour fans ramping Starmer?
Liz Truss has been thrown in at the deep end and she is doing fine. Not perfect but under the difficult circumstances, very well. Head and shoulders better than Johnson would have handled it.
If she jettisons all the ERG/CRG/ goodness knows what elseRG nonsense I would have more time for her. And if she can turn the economy around that doesn't worry me. In fact I would be relieved.
Tbh now isn't really the time for party political ramping and to be honest not many on here not many are indulging.
Some are and should expect a response
However, I understand on NI, Blair and Ahern are in intensive talks with the EU, UK and Ireland over an acceptable compromise and Truss is due to go to Ireland shortly, so let us hope common sense prevails
Risk of tactical nuclear escalation is probably the highest it’s been since March.
What madman liked this post?
Its a good point though. People think that 'Putin is being pushed back', and that 'Russia poses no conventional military threat to Europe'; but they just haven't thought it through.
The other great drama of the week is the chess world in meltdown at the Sinquefield Cup. Is Hans Niemann a cheaty cheat pants or has Magnus Carlsen thrown a spectacularly unneccessary paddy?! Theyre playing on like its not all totally buggered
It seems the HOC returns the day before the emergency budget and Truss is due to go to the US that week
It appears energy companies are to contact consumers with details of the energy cap this month, and deduct £66 per month from October bills each month for 6 months, something Starmer was to cancel in his plans
Anyone can borrow £150 billion.
The Blessed Liz isn't doing anything clever.
She is addressing the biggest crisis we have seen since the war and which is also causing disruption across Europe
Tonight the EU have failed to agree an energy price cap and shortly Italy is likely to elect a far right pro Putin government
No, she is addressing the biggest crisis since the global financial crisis.
Maybe Gordon Brown could help her?
She does look spritely enough to avoid most of the flung mobile phones and staplers.
So, for 'tory lead September' betting we have a completely unmoved YouGov and Redfield but movement 'into the herd' and with People's Polling. Opinium last weekend moved back to 4 points and looks ths only 'possible' contender as it stands. Techne didnt report today and it looks like they've gone fortnightly. Of course, polling may be sparse during mourning so that further messes with the September hawks
I think for good or ill we should avoid thinking about Truss' favourability ratings for about a month.
My guess is they will be pretty good for about 2 weeks, then she will start to struggle as inflation bites. True, sheiks trying to mitigate it, but saying 'hey, things would be more shit without me' isn't a winning strategy.
I do think she will get sympathy for being appointed the week the Queen died, and so far she has handled it well.
Edit - and I am truly fucking fed up with autocorrect changing 'ill' to 'I'll' all the bloody time, but at least I can say I got a first.
Her energy plans project a 5% drop in inflation as affirmed by the city and the pound rose against both the euro and dollar today
You are cheerleading for Truss as HYUFD did for Johnson. Keep it up.
Why not
I wanted Johnson gone and had reservations about Truss but she has impressed me and just as Labour fans are ramping Starmer some of us will promote Truss
And by the way what is wrong with my statement and labour supporters seem to be getting quite worried, which they should
Labour fans ramping Starmer?
Liz Truss has been thrown in at the deep end and she is doing fine. Not perfect but under the difficult circumstances, very well. Head and shoulders better than Johnson would have handled it.
If she jettisons all the ERG/CRG/ goodness knows what elseRG nonsense I would have more time for her. And if she can turn the economy around that doesn't worry me. In fact I would be relieved.
Tbh now isn't really the time for party political ramping and to be honest not many on here not many are indulging.
Some are and should expect a response
However, I understand on NI, Blair and Ahern are in intensive talks with the EU, UK and Ireland over an acceptable compromise and Truss is due to go to Ireland shortly, so let us hope common sense prevails
Truss put in a tremendous amount of legwork after she replaced Lord Frost on handling the NI issue by the time she came up with the NI Protocol Bill. It came up with the right solutions, but to be implemented in what some would consider the "wrong" way.
If the EU can negotiate to implement her solutions via an agreed path, instead of it being unilaterally imposed, they can save face and diplomatic niceties can be maintained and we can all move on from Brexit-era arguments.
Risk of tactical nuclear escalation is probably the highest it’s been since March.
What madman liked this post?
Its a good point though. People think that 'Putin is being pushed back', and that 'Russia poses no conventional military threat to Europe'; but they just haven't thought it through.
We have.
Putin being pushed back doesn't threaten nuclear war.
If Putin tried to suggest launching nukes when his Generals know he has lost a crazy war, he would be on a crash course of learning how to fly from an upper story window faster than you can say defenestration.
So, for 'tory lead September' betting we have a completely unmoved YouGov and Redfield but movement 'into the herd' and with People's Polling. Opinium last weekend moved back to 4 points and looks ths only 'possible' contender as it stands. Techne didnt report today and it looks like they've gone fortnightly. Of course, polling may be sparse during mourning so that further messes with the September hawks
I've got a bet on a Tory lead. Good chance Opinium delivers
The smoothing works both ways of course, if the Tories firm up the 'don't knows' which gets them good ground with the other pollsters, opinium are already accounting for some of this movement......
It seems the HOC returns the day before the emergency budget and Truss is due to go to the US that week
It appears energy companies are to contact consumers with details of the energy cap this month, and deduct £66 per month from October bills each month for 6 months, something Starmer was to cancel in his plans
Anyone can borrow £150 billion.
The Blessed Liz isn't doing anything clever.
She is addressing the biggest crisis we have seen since the war and which is also causing disruption across Europe
Tonight the EU have failed to agree an energy price cap and shortly Italy is likely to elect a far right pro Putin government
I don't think so. Meloni is a self-described Tory and no fan of Putin. The problem is the likely coalition partners she will have though I think they've gone quiet on the pro-Putin stuff.
Since we're part of the European gas market what are we currently trying to do about the raw prices? I've not heard much from our new government. They have come down from the charts I'm reading, not far off half the price of the (admittedly very sharp) peak.
I rather like her. And I think she would be a good PM in “normal” times
But she is sailing into overwhelming headwinds and, after 12 years, the public wants the Tories out. That’s it. Sunak would not have done any better. The Tories are doomed
I am not so sure about this. The problem is always, if you look at it from a labour point of view, how do they get the numbers to get a majority? Where do they need to hold and where do they need to win?
I think that Truss could well win a general election and then do a John major and keep going for 6-7 years.
I rather like her. And I think she would be a good PM in “normal” times
But she is sailing into overwhelming headwinds and, after 12 years, the public wants the Tories out. That’s it. Sunak would not have done any better. The Tories are doomed
I am not so sure about this. The problem is always, if you look at it from a labour point of view, how do they get the numbers to get a majority? Where do they need to hold and where do they need to win?
I think that Truss could well win a general election and then do a John major and keep going for 6-7 years.
It's a decent start by Liz in the face of exceptionally difficult circumstances.
I rather like her. And I think she would be a good PM in “normal” times
But she is sailing into overwhelming headwinds and, after 12 years, the public wants the Tories out. That’s it. Sunak would not have done any better. The Tories are doomed
I am not so sure about this. The problem is always, if you look at it from a labour point of view, how do they get the numbers to get a majority? Where do they need to hold and where do they need to win?
I think that Truss could well win a general election and then do a John major and keep going for 6-7 years.
There’s these days quite a wide zone between Labour majority and Labour largest party. A zone if, probably, around 70-75 seats at the next election.
Tribal Labour may view anything short of workable majority as a failure but the 60-odd percent of the electorate who don’t want the Tories in power will happily take Labour as largest party (and about 55% will take Labour largest but without reliance on SNP).
I rather like her. And I think she would be a good PM in “normal” times
But she is sailing into overwhelming headwinds and, after 12 years, the public wants the Tories out. That’s it. Sunak would not have done any better. The Tories are doomed
I am not so sure about this. The problem is always, if you look at it from a labour point of view, how do they get the numbers to get a majority? Where do they need to hold and where do they need to win?
I think that Truss could well win a general election and then do a John major and keep going for 6-7 years.
What I would say is Truss has brought the conservatives back into play, and of course the extraordinary circumstances have helped but so far she has risen to the occasion
I really have no idea about 2024 but who would have prediced this 'event' even 7 days ago
Risk of tactical nuclear escalation is probably the highest it’s been since March.
What madman liked this post?
Its a good point though. People think that 'Putin is being pushed back', and that 'Russia poses no conventional military threat to Europe'; but they just haven't thought it through.
We have.
Putin being pushed back doesn't threaten nuclear war.
If Putin tried to suggest launching nukes when his Generals know he has lost a crazy war, he would be on a crash course of learning how to fly from an upper story window faster than you can say defenestration.
This is complete speculation, because we know almost nothing about the generals and what is going on inside the Kremlin. Certainly there is a longstanding idea that no one would execute the order to start a nuclear war, but as for 'tactical nukes', then I think that this is actually part of Russian Military Doctrine, that they can be used to defend land that they claim; and I think this is probably behind the original comment about fear of tactical nuclear escalation.
All goes back to the discussion earlier; 'careful what you wish for'.
I rather like her. And I think she would be a good PM in “normal” times
But she is sailing into overwhelming headwinds and, after 12 years, the public wants the Tories out. That’s it. Sunak would not have done any better. The Tories are doomed
I am not so sure about this. The problem is always, if you look at it from a labour point of view, how do they get the numbers to get a majority? Where do they need to hold and where do they need to win?
I think that Truss could well win a general election and then do a John major and keep going for 6-7 years.
"Keep(s) going for 6-7 years" after an election? That means she wins a minimum of two elections in that case.
I rather like her. And I think she would be a good PM in “normal” times
But she is sailing into overwhelming headwinds and, after 12 years, the public wants the Tories out. That’s it. Sunak would not have done any better. The Tories are doomed
I am not so sure about this. The problem is always, if you look at it from a labour point of view, how do they get the numbers to get a majority? Where do they need to hold and where do they need to win?
I think that Truss could well win a general election and then do a John major and keep going for 6-7 years.
"Keep(s) going for 6-7 years" after an election? That means she wins a minimum of two elections in that case.
She is young enough but let's not get ahead of ourselves
I rather like her. And I think she would be a good PM in “normal” times
But she is sailing into overwhelming headwinds and, after 12 years, the public wants the Tories out. That’s it. Sunak would not have done any better. The Tories are doomed
I am not so sure about this. The problem is always, if you look at it from a labour point of view, how do they get the numbers to get a majority? Where do they need to hold and where do they need to win?
I think that Truss could well win a general election and then do a John major and keep going for 6-7 years.
It's a decent start by Liz in the face of exceptionally difficult circumstances.
I think PB is perhaps in danger of overanalysing the content of speeches rather than the general mood music.
Electorate seems to be saying time for a change. And Liz has, overnight, neutralised the biggest attack line on Keir, that he’s wooden and unexciting.
I rather like her. And I think she would be a good PM in “normal” times
But she is sailing into overwhelming headwinds and, after 12 years, the public wants the Tories out. That’s it. Sunak would not have done any better. The Tories are doomed
I am not so sure about this. The problem is always, if you look at it from a labour point of view, how do they get the numbers to get a majority? Where do they need to hold and where do they need to win?
I think that Truss could well win a general election and then do a John major and keep going for 6-7 years.
It's a decent start by Liz in the face of exceptionally difficult circumstances.
I think PB is perhaps in danger of overanalysing.
Electorate seems to be saying time for a change. And Liz has, overnight, neutralised the biggest attack line on Keir, that he’s wooden and unexciting.
Liz is going to win if the economy is in good shape and things are going well. It won't be because of personality
I rather like her. And I think she would be a good PM in “normal” times
But she is sailing into overwhelming headwinds and, after 12 years, the public wants the Tories out. That’s it. Sunak would not have done any better. The Tories are doomed
I am not so sure about this. The problem is always, if you look at it from a labour point of view, how do they get the numbers to get a majority? Where do they need to hold and where do they need to win?
I think that Truss could well win a general election and then do a John major and keep going for 6-7 years.
Be careful, Darkage. Remember this is a betting site. We would not want you injured by the stampede of punters anxious to place their bets with you.
The sound and serious point behind your view is that Labour really need to make some progress in Scotland to win an overall majority. There isn't much sign of that yet. It could happen though, and even if it doesn't a Tory meltdown would do it on its own. The polls are currently unreliable but they are hinting that Conservative support may be down to bedrock at about 30%. That would just about do it for Labour.
I'm reluctantly inclined to agree with out footsore flintknapping friend Leon. The Tories are cattle trucked.
I rather like her. And I think she would be a good PM in “normal” times
But she is sailing into overwhelming headwinds and, after 12 years, the public wants the Tories out. That’s it. Sunak would not have done any better. The Tories are doomed
I am not so sure about this. The problem is always, if you look at it from a labour point of view, how do they get the numbers to get a majority? Where do they need to hold and where do they need to win?
I think that Truss could well win a general election and then do a John major and keep going for 6-7 years.
"Keep(s) going for 6-7 years" after an election? That means she wins a minimum of two elections in that case.
She is young enough but let's not get ahead of ourselves
No no, no. @darkage suggested 6 to 7 years after her first GE win. I was clarifying his statement. Personally I would be surprised if she can win the first. If she can she is very impressive.
I rather like her. And I think she would be a good PM in “normal” times
But she is sailing into overwhelming headwinds and, after 12 years, the public wants the Tories out. That’s it. Sunak would not have done any better. The Tories are doomed
Yes, I quite like her too - she and Starmer treat us like adults at a debate, whereas Johnson treated us like kids at a circus. I think the headwinds will abate somewhat and she'll do better than expected, but not enough to win.
I rather like her. And I think she would be a good PM in “normal” times
But she is sailing into overwhelming headwinds and, after 12 years, the public wants the Tories out. That’s it. Sunak would not have done any better. The Tories are doomed
I am not so sure about this. The problem is always, if you look at it from a labour point of view, how do they get the numbers to get a majority? Where do they need to hold and where do they need to win?
I think that Truss could well win a general election and then do a John major and keep going for 6-7 years.
"Keep(s) going for 6-7 years" after an election? That means she wins a minimum of two elections in that case.
Yeah I meant 6-7 years in total, she just gets through the next election with a reduced majority but keeps going. I could easily see this happening. In the John Major/1992 analogy, there are also similarities between Starmer and Kinnock, IE he took on the far left but can't win an election.
I rather like her. And I think she would be a good PM in “normal” times
But she is sailing into overwhelming headwinds and, after 12 years, the public wants the Tories out. That’s it. Sunak would not have done any better. The Tories are doomed
I am not so sure about this. The problem is always, if you look at it from a labour point of view, how do they get the numbers to get a majority? Where do they need to hold and where do they need to win?
I think that Truss could well win a general election and then do a John major and keep going for 6-7 years.
Be careful, Darkage. Remember this is a betting site. We would not want you injured by the stampede of punters anxious to place their bets with you.
The sound and serious point behind your view is that Labour really need to make some progress in Scotland to win an overall majority. There isn't much sign of that yet. It could happen though, and even if it doesn't a Tory meltdown would do it on its own. The polls are currently unreliable but they are hinting that Conservative support may be down to bedrock at about 30%. That would just about do it for Labour.
I'm reluctantly inclined to agree with out footsore flintknapping friend Leon. The Tories are cattle trucked.
Id say if they are currently at bedrock 30, much will depend on how much 'fear of labour' hardens the vote. E.g. does it take things from 42 30 majority to (say) 39 34 very hung? Either way opposition looms of course
Risk of tactical nuclear escalation is probably the highest it’s been since March.
What madman liked this post?
Its a good point though. People think that 'Putin is being pushed back', and that 'Russia poses no conventional military threat to Europe'; but they just haven't thought it through.
We have.
Putin being pushed back doesn't threaten nuclear war.
If Putin tried to suggest launching nukes when his Generals know he has lost a crazy war, he would be on a crash course of learning how to fly from an upper story window faster than you can say defenestration.
This is complete speculation, because we know almost nothing about the generals and what is going on inside the Kremlin. Certainly there is a longstanding idea that no one would execute the order to start a nuclear war, but as for 'tactical nukes', then I think that this is actually part of Russian Military Doctrine, that they can be used to defend land that they claim; and I think this is probably behind the original comment about fear of tactical nuclear escalation.
All goes back to the discussion earlier; 'careful what you wish for'.
Early on in the war, we were all talking about how the oligarchs wouldn't stand to see their fortunes sanctioned, how some sort of palace coup was inevitable, and so on. But all the evidence from the last few months suggests that Putin is in complete control of both government and military and nobody dares oppose him.
Would anyone in his government or armed forces oppose him if he ordered the use of a battlefield nuke? I'd argue that, based on what we've seen, no.
The question then becomes, would he be mad enough to issue the order? The answer probably lies in his calculation of what the west would do in response. Would we intervene with boots on the ground? How quickly could such a situation escalate into a full-blown nuclear exchange? If he rightly or wrongly assumes we wouldn't dare escalate, then it's his only trump card in a battle he can't otherwise win. A way to tell the world - "do as I say, because now the gloves are off".
Unfortunately I have to concur with Tims' original comment - that the risk of nuclear escalation is the highest it's been since the conflict began.
Risk of tactical nuclear escalation is probably the highest it’s been since March.
What madman liked this post?
Its a good point though. People think that 'Putin is being pushed back', and that 'Russia poses no conventional military threat to Europe'; but they just haven't thought it through.
We have.
Putin being pushed back doesn't threaten nuclear war.
If Putin tried to suggest launching nukes when his Generals know he has lost a crazy war, he would be on a crash course of learning how to fly from an upper story window faster than you can say defenestration.
This is complete speculation, because we know almost nothing about the generals and what is going on inside the Kremlin. Certainly there is a longstanding idea that no one would execute the order to start a nuclear war, but as for 'tactical nukes', then I think that this is actually part of Russian Military Doctrine, that they can be used to defend land that they claim; and I think this is probably behind the original comment about fear of tactical nuclear escalation.
All goes back to the discussion earlier; 'careful what you wish for'.
Yes, I was just stating an opinion of the facts rather than a policy position. Clearly Ukraine needs to keep pushing as hard as it can.
If the Russian regime panics and Putin starts to fear getting too close to upper floor windows then he / they may be tempted to do something stupid.
It’ll only happen after some weeks of threat and blackmail. In which case NATO needs to be crystal clear about what such an escalation would mean: the complete annihilation of Russia (and by extension of course, most of the rest of the Northern hemisphere). That’s the point of MAD.
I rather like her. And I think she would be a good PM in “normal” times
But she is sailing into overwhelming headwinds and, after 12 years, the public wants the Tories out. That’s it. Sunak would not have done any better. The Tories are doomed
I am not so sure about this. The problem is always, if you look at it from a labour point of view, how do they get the numbers to get a majority? Where do they need to hold and where do they need to win?
I think that Truss could well win a general election and then do a John major and keep going for 6-7 years.
It's a decent start by Liz in the face of exceptionally difficult circumstances.
I think PB is perhaps in danger of overanalysing the content of speeches rather than the general mood music.
Electorate seems to be saying time for a change. And Liz has, overnight, neutralised the biggest attack line on Keir, that he’s wooden and unexciting.
She may have also neutralised the time for a change demands too though.
It will take time to see. Anyone who says anything for certain now is only trying to convince themselves, the future is unwritten and unclear.
I rather like her. And I think she would be a good PM in “normal” times
But she is sailing into overwhelming headwinds and, after 12 years, the public wants the Tories out. That’s it. Sunak would not have done any better. The Tories are doomed
I am not so sure about this. The problem is always, if you look at it from a labour point of view, how do they get the numbers to get a majority? Where do they need to hold and where do they need to win?
I think that Truss could well win a general election and then do a John major and keep going for 6-7 years.
It's a decent start by Liz in the face of exceptionally difficult circumstances.
I think PB is perhaps in danger of overanalysing.
Electorate seems to be saying time for a change. And Liz has, overnight, neutralised the biggest attack line on Keir, that he’s wooden and unexciting.
Liz is going to win if the economy is in good shape and things are going well. It won't be because of personality
That is 100% true. Good luck with "if the economy is in good shape", mind.
Outside of rare occasions I don't believe in political comebacks. A view gets set and the things you do don't shift it all that much, even if they should. Being relatively unknown even as a senior politicians means a new PM has a chance, but not a great one. I think TimS has it right that its about the mood music more than anything else.
I rather like her. And I think she would be a good PM in “normal” times
But she is sailing into overwhelming headwinds and, after 12 years, the public wants the Tories out. That’s it. Sunak would not have done any better. The Tories are doomed
I am not so sure about this. The problem is always, if you look at it from a labour point of view, how do they get the numbers to get a majority? Where do they need to hold and where do they need to win?
I think that Truss could well win a general election and then do a John major and keep going for 6-7 years.
It's a decent start by Liz in the face of exceptionally difficult circumstances.
I think PB is perhaps in danger of overanalysing.
Electorate seems to be saying time for a change. And Liz has, overnight, neutralised the biggest attack line on Keir, that he’s wooden and unexciting.
Liz is going to win if the economy is in good shape and things are going well. It won't be because of personality
I don’t agree. When the economy is in good shape people feel more at liberty to vote fir a change. See 1997.
(Stantis is an interesting fellow. As well as drawing editorial cartoons (many of which I like), he draws a regular comic strip, Prickly City, featuring Carmen, a conservative (now Libertarian) African-American girl, and Winslow, a liberal coyote in the desert: https://www.gocomics.com/pricklycity/2022/09/09 It seems to draw more readers who are annoyed with it, than do most comic strips.)
Seems like we're onto Corbyn levels of "it will get better" now.
It never did, he never got very popular, he never won.
I think they're done
You're a keen politics-watcher, and not a natural Truss fan. Go on your own feelings - if you're getting used to her, and even favourable to her, everyone else who's less impacted by politics will follow.
I rather like her. And I think she would be a good PM in “normal” times
But she is sailing into overwhelming headwinds and, after 12 years, the public wants the Tories out. That’s it. Sunak would not have done any better. The Tories are doomed
I am not so sure about this. The problem is always, if you look at it from a labour point of view, how do they get the numbers to get a majority? Where do they need to hold and where do they need to win?
I think that Truss could well win a general election and then do a John major and keep going for 6-7 years.
It's a decent start by Liz in the face of exceptionally difficult circumstances.
I think PB is perhaps in danger of overanalysing.
Electorate seems to be saying time for a change. And Liz has, overnight, neutralised the biggest attack line on Keir, that he’s wooden and unexciting.
Liz is going to win if the economy is in good shape and things are going well. It won't be because of personality
I don’t agree. When the economy is in good shape people feel more at liberty to vote fir a change. See 1997.
1997 ran against the grain. I'm with Bill Clinton.
I'm not fussed about the significance or otherwise of her bloody necklace.
What I am fussed about is that she is a right-wing ideolog who could cause significant damage to this country before we get the chance to remove her from office.
We dodged Mordaunt, who I really liked, but who we now know would have had a very difficult time for reasons that are not her fault. We dodged Sunak, who whilst he had many personal qualities, would have taken a 'take your medicine' approach to recession and economic contraction, and been even worse. We mocked Truss (I did anyway), but actually we've ended up with someone who is passionate about our country prospering, and is prepared to have a scrap if necessary. It shows fate knows a lot better than we do at times.
Seems like we're onto Corbyn levels of "it will get better" now.
It never did, he never got very popular, he never won.
I think they're done
You're a keen politics-watcher, and not a natural Truss fan. Go on your own feelings - if you're getting used to her, and even favourable to her, everyone else who's less impacted by politics will follow.
One can admire he way she has conducted herself under the difficult circumstances she has endured over the last 24 hours, but without wishing to vote for her.
I rather like her. And I think she would be a good PM in “normal” times
But she is sailing into overwhelming headwinds and, after 12 years, the public wants the Tories out. That’s it. Sunak would not have done any better. The Tories are doomed
I am not so sure about this. The problem is always, if you look at it from a labour point of view, how do they get the numbers to get a majority? Where do they need to hold and where do they need to win?
I think that Truss could well win a general election and then do a John major and keep going for 6-7 years.
It's a decent start by Liz in the face of exceptionally difficult circumstances.
I think PB is perhaps in danger of overanalysing.
Electorate seems to be saying time for a change. And Liz has, overnight, neutralised the biggest attack line on Keir, that he’s wooden and unexciting.
Liz is going to win if the economy is in good shape and things are going well. It won't be because of personality
That is 100% true. Good luck with "if the economy is in good shape", mind.
Even if it is, if people have had a bad time in the preceding years they may not be feeling like its in good shape. They don't care if economists say we're in recession or not in recession by margins of this or that tenth of a percent or whatever. Currently I'd say a lot of people feel like economically things are in the shit, and they probably will for quite awhile. The memory of that may well do for Truss even if things pick up.
I rather like her. And I think she would be a good PM in “normal” times
But she is sailing into overwhelming headwinds and, after 12 years, the public wants the Tories out. That’s it. Sunak would not have done any better. The Tories are doomed
I am not so sure about this. The problem is always, if you look at it from a labour point of view, how do they get the numbers to get a majority? Where do they need to hold and where do they need to win?
I think that Truss could well win a general election and then do a John major and keep going for 6-7 years.
It's a decent start by Liz in the face of exceptionally difficult circumstances.
I think PB is perhaps in danger of overanalysing.
Electorate seems to be saying time for a change. And Liz has, overnight, neutralised the biggest attack line on Keir, that he’s wooden and unexciting.
Liz is going to win if the economy is in good shape and things are going well. It won't be because of personality
That is 100% true. Good luck with "if the economy is in good shape", mind.
Even if it is, if people have had a bad time in the preceding years they may not be feeling like its in good shape. They don't care if economists say we're in recession or not in recession by margins of this or that tenth of a percent or whatever. Currently I'd say a lot of people feel like economically things are in the shit, and they probably will for quite awhile. The memory of that may well do for Truss even if things pick up.
Risk of tactical nuclear escalation is probably the highest it’s been since March.
What madman liked this post?
Its a good point though. People think that 'Putin is being pushed back', and that 'Russia poses no conventional military threat to Europe'; but they just haven't thought it through.
We have.
Putin being pushed back doesn't threaten nuclear war.
If Putin tried to suggest launching nukes when his Generals know he has lost a crazy war, he would be on a crash course of learning how to fly from an upper story window faster than you can say defenestration.
This is complete speculation, because we know almost nothing about the generals and what is going on inside the Kremlin. Certainly there is a longstanding idea that no one would execute the order to start a nuclear war, but as for 'tactical nukes', then I think that this is actually part of Russian Military Doctrine, that they can be used to defend land that they claim; and I think this is probably behind the original comment about fear of tactical nuclear escalation.
All goes back to the discussion earlier; 'careful what you wish for'.
Yes, I was just stating an opinion of the facts rather than a policy position. Clearly Ukraine needs to keep pushing as hard as it can.
If the Russian regime panics and Putin starts to fear getting too close to upper floor windows then he / they may be tempted to do something stupid.
It’ll only happen after some weeks of threat and blackmail. In which case NATO needs to be crystal clear about what such an escalation would mean: the complete annihilation of Russia (and by extension of course, most of the rest of the Northern hemisphere). That’s the point of MAD.
I don't know about the last point. I was listening to Oliver Stone on the Lex Fridman podcast. He came out (as i recall) with the suggestion that the US could nuke the Donbass as a false flag. It got me thinking that Russia could alternatively set off a battlefield nuke and suggest it was a NATO false flag. Things could escalate that way.
I rather like her. And I think she would be a good PM in “normal” times
But she is sailing into overwhelming headwinds and, after 12 years, the public wants the Tories out. That’s it. Sunak would not have done any better. The Tories are doomed
I am not so sure about this. The problem is always, if you look at it from a labour point of view, how do they get the numbers to get a majority? Where do they need to hold and where do they need to win?
I think that Truss could well win a general election and then do a John major and keep going for 6-7 years.
"Keep(s) going for 6-7 years" after an election? That means she wins a minimum of two elections in that case.
Yeah I meant 6-7 years in total, she just gets through the next election with a reduced majority but keeps going. I could easily see this happening. In the John Major/1992 analogy, there are also similarities between Starmer and Kinnock, IE he took on the far left but can't win an election.
Though on the same analogy Truss is less centrist and liked than Major and Starmer has more gravitas than Kinnock
We dodged Mordaunt, who I really liked, but who we now know would have had a very difficult time for reasons that are not her fault. We dodged Sunak, who whilst he had many personal qualities, would have taken a 'take your medicine' approach to recession and economic contraction, and been even worse. We mocked Truss (I did anyway), but actually we've ended up with someone who is passionate about our country prospering, and is prepared to have a scrap if necessary. It shows fate knows a lot better than we do at times.
It is possibly a bit early to conclude that, I think; given that we have just added 150bn to the national debt. It might work in terms of boosting confidence, but may not be entirely consistent with the country prospering.
Could I point out something to the ludicrous Dynamo on the last thread who wanted a referendum on the monarchy on the basis of one poll with a landslide 61% still in favour of the monarchy.
Having the best known Royal family in the world is about the only thing left we as the United Kingdom still lead the world in. It would be absurd to give it up
Having been appointed PM precisely three days ago, and having considered all the evidence, I have come to a considered opinion on how well Truss will do:
I don't have a clue. And nor, I believe, does anybody else (notwithstanding a steady first three days).
Hopefully Truss' response to this week's events will give her some gravitas. While her cost of living proposals will make a difference
I think she has been overshadowed somewhat by Boris Johnsons speech to parliament about the Queen which was one of his best .
Are most people watching the speeches? I know lots of ardent monarchists around here, who are properly sad - as as quite a few non-monarchists - but I don't know anyone who is following all the eulogies and retrospectives - everyone says it's just too much, and *especially* when they're sad. Quite a few saw Charles, and catch oddments on the radio, but most seem to be putting it aside for their private lives.
Could I point out something to the ludicrous Dynamo on the last thread who wanted a referendum on the monarchy on the basis of one poll with a landslide 61% still in favour of the monarchy.
Having the best known Royal family in the world is about the only thing left we as the United Kingdom still lead the world in. It would be ludicrous to give it up
I think we have had enough of referendums for a good many years now.
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My guess is they will be pretty good for about 2 weeks, then she will start to struggle as inflation bites. True, she's trying to mitigate it, but saying 'hey, things would be more shit without me' isn't a winning strategy.
I do think she will get sympathy for being appointed the week the Queen died, and so far she has handled it well.
Edit - and I am truly fucking fed up with autocorrect changing 'ill' to 'I'll' all the bloody time, but at least I can say I got a first.
It never did, he never got very popular, he never won.
I think they're done
But she is sailing into overwhelming headwinds and, after 12 years, the public wants the Tories out. That’s it. Sunak would not have done any better. The Tories are doomed
That's not to say her actions will have a negligible impact. Economically they may do the job. But politically it's always a hard sell to say, 'yes, things are worse but if it wasn't for me they would be much worse.' It didn't work for either Brown or Major, who took drastic action to save the economy from total collapse and still got blamed for the ensuing still fairly serious problems their corrective measures caused.
What General Weygand has called the Battle of France is over. I expect the Battle of Britain is about to begin. Upon this battle depends the survival of Christian civilisation. Upon it depends our own British life, and the long continuity of our institutions and our Empire. The whole fury and might of the enemy must very soon be turned on us. Hitler knows that he will have to break us in this island or lose the war. If we can stand up to him, all Europe may be freed and the life of the world may move forward into broad, sunlit uplands. But if we fail, then the whole world, including the United States, including all that we have known and cared for, will sink into the abyss of a new Dark Age made more sinister, and perhaps more protracted, by the lights of perverted science. Let us therefore brace ourselves to our duties, and so bear ourselves that, if the British Empire and its Commonwealth last for a thousand years, men will still say, 'This was their finest hour.'
NEW: Westminster Voting Intention poll (7 Sep): People Polling
🔴 LAB: 40% (-2 from 30 Aug)
🔵 CON: 28% (+3)
🟠 LDM: 9% (-1)
🟢 GRN: 7% (=)
🟡 SNP: 5% (=)
It appears energy companies are to contact consumers with details of the energy cap this month, and deduct £66 per month from October bills each month for 6 months, something Starmer was to cancel in his plans
A friend was awarded a knighthood for his research. It seems a queue was formed of recipients to briefly be presented to her Maj. Anyway, when it was his turn she asked him what he did (quantum chaos) whereupon he gave a paragraph answer. He sez she looked briefly like she had been coshed.
His retelling was affectionate. As a republican myself I forgive him for accepting the gong because he is brilliant and of humble provenance.
Make no mistake, the Queen's legacy, as I see it, is that there is great value in application and doing one's very best.
Arguably Starmer’s similar neutrality means
he’s being rated as “standard labour” too. And Davey is very much standard LibDem.
Whither the days of decidedly non-neutral Boris, Jeremy and Jo?
I wanted Johnson gone and had reservations about Truss but she has impressed me and just as Labour fans are ramping Starmer some of us will promote Truss
And by the way what is wrong with my statement and labour supporters seem to be getting quite worried, which they should
The Blessed Liz isn't doing anything clever.
You are a hypocrite.
No midterm polls matter, never have done, never will do.
Midterm polls before this week has been digested? Even more worthless than normal.
Taking a poll when the media is talking about £3600 energy bills and 15% inflation is completely different to when the energy bills have been addressed and inflation is expected to be 5% lower, but even that announcement was overshadowed by what happened while it was being announced.
Techne didnt report today and it looks like they've gone fortnightly.
Of course, polling may be sparse during mourning so that further messes with the September hawks
Tonight the EU have failed to agree an energy price cap and shortly Italy is likely to elect a far right pro Putin government
Liz Truss has been thrown in at the deep end and she is doing fine. Not perfect but under the difficult circumstances, very well. Head and shoulders better than Johnson would have handled it.
If she jettisons all the ERG/CRG/ goodness knows what elseRG nonsense I would have more time for her. And if she can turn the economy around that doesn't worry me. In fact I would be relieved.
Tbh now isn't really the time for party political ramping and to be honest not many on here are indulging.
Strong rumours that Ukrainian troops have entered Izyum. I am struggling to understand how they could have broken through the Russian lines with such ease but there you go.
Maybe Gordon Brown could help her?
However, I understand on NI, Blair and Ahern are in intensive talks with the EU, UK and Ireland over an acceptable compromise and Truss is due to go to Ireland shortly, so let us hope common sense prevails
People think that 'Putin is being pushed back', and that 'Russia poses no conventional military threat to Europe'; but they just haven't thought it through.
Theyre playing on like its not all totally buggered
If the EU can negotiate to implement her solutions via an agreed path, instead of it being unilaterally imposed, they can save face and diplomatic niceties can be maintained and we can all move on from Brexit-era arguments.
Putin being pushed back doesn't threaten nuclear war.
If Putin tried to suggest launching nukes when his Generals know he has lost a crazy war, he would be on a crash course of learning how to fly from an upper story window faster than you can say defenestration.
Since we're part of the European gas market what are we currently trying to do about the raw prices? I've not heard much from our new government. They have come down from the charts I'm reading, not far off half the price of the (admittedly very sharp) peak.
I think that Truss could well win a general election and then do a John major and keep going for 6-7 years.
Tribal Labour may view anything short of workable majority as a failure but the 60-odd percent of the electorate who don’t want the Tories in power will happily take Labour as largest party (and about 55% will take Labour largest but without reliance on SNP).
I really have no idea about 2024 but who would have prediced this 'event' even 7 days ago
A week is a long time in politics
All goes back to the discussion earlier; 'careful what you wish for'.
Electorate seems to be saying time for a change. And Liz has, overnight, neutralised the biggest attack line on Keir, that he’s wooden and unexciting.
https://youtu.be/yLCUhL11fLI
The sound and serious point behind your view is that Labour really need to make some progress in Scotland to win an overall majority. There isn't much sign of that yet. It could happen though, and even if it doesn't a Tory meltdown would do it on its own. The polls are currently unreliable but they are hinting that Conservative support may be down to bedrock at about 30%. That would just about do it for Labour.
I'm reluctantly inclined to agree with out footsore flintknapping friend Leon. The Tories are cattle trucked.
Would anyone in his government or armed forces oppose him if he ordered the use of a battlefield nuke? I'd argue that, based on what we've seen, no.
The question then becomes, would he be mad enough to issue the order? The answer probably lies in his calculation of what the west would do in response. Would we intervene with boots on the ground? How quickly could such a situation escalate into a full-blown nuclear exchange? If he rightly or wrongly assumes we wouldn't dare escalate, then it's his only trump card in a battle he can't otherwise win. A way to tell the world - "do as I say, because now the gloves are off".
Unfortunately I have to concur with Tims' original comment - that the risk of nuclear escalation is the highest it's been since the conflict began.
If the Russian regime panics and Putin starts to fear getting too close to upper floor windows then he / they may be tempted to do something stupid.
It’ll only happen after some weeks of threat and blackmail. In which case NATO needs to be crystal clear about what such an escalation would mean: the complete annihilation of Russia (and by extension of course, most of the rest of the Northern hemisphere). That’s the point of MAD.
It will take time to see. Anyone who says anything for certain now is only trying to convince themselves, the future is unwritten and unclear.
https://tribunecontentagency.com/article/20220907edstc-a-tif/
Which had the misfortune to be published in the Washington Post two days ago.
(Stantis is an interesting fellow. As well as drawing editorial cartoons (many of which I like), he draws a regular comic strip, Prickly City, featuring Carmen, a conservative (now Libertarian) African-American girl, and Winslow, a liberal coyote in the desert: https://www.gocomics.com/pricklycity/2022/09/09 It seems to draw more readers who are annoyed with it, than do most comic strips.)
I'm not fussed if she seems wooden.
I'm not fussed about the significance or otherwise of her bloody necklace.
What I am fussed about is that she is a right-wing ideolog who could cause significant damage to this country before we get the chance to remove her from office.
Having the best known Royal family in the world is about the only thing left we as the United Kingdom still lead the world in. It would be absurd to give it up
I don't have a clue. And nor, I believe, does anybody else (notwithstanding a steady first three days).