Liz Truss's comprehensive school was so rough they didn't even teach her to shake hands politely with the losing candidate.
The posh boys are no longer in charge of the Tories after the defeat of the Wykehamist Rishi who I am sure would have shaken hands with Truss. Truss the first state educated Tory leader since May and the first comprehensive educated Tory leader since Hague.
The posh boys are back in charge of Labour though, Starmer the first secondary school privately educated Labour leader since Blair
Starmer went to a grammar school that converted to a private school while he was there, and his family didn't pay any fees. I don't really see how that makes him posh, compared to someone who attended a £40k/year school for instance.
HYUFD persists with that canard about Starmer; I really don't see why. It's been demonstrated beyond doubt to him that he is wrong to suggest that Starmer was privately educated but he still keeps on about it. I suppose the only reason is that at the forthcoming general election the comprehensively educated Truss will be contrasted with the "privately educated " Starmer.
Starmer still went to a private school ultimately converted grammar or not.
However being a comprehensive educated leader does not necessarily help win elections. We have had 2 fully comprehensive educated party leaders at general elections so far before Truss, Hague in 2001 and Ed Miliband in 2015, both lost to the privately educated Blair and Cameron respectively. May went to a combination of private, comprehensive and grammar schools and narrowly beat the grammar school educated Corbyn in 2017.
The last state educated leader to win a general election outright against a private school educated leader was Thatcher when she beat Foot in 1983 and before that Wilson against Home in 1964. Though both Thatcher and Wilson went to grammars
When Starmer entered secondary education he did so as a result of passing a competitive examination: the 11+.
I'm pretty sure he'd have entered secondary education, however he performed in the exam.
On reflection, and having had a soothing pastel de nata, and a glass of cold white, staring at the mighty Atlantic, I am going to cut Liz T some slack and presume she was overwhelmed by the magnitude of everything when she won. Hence her awful speech
And to be fair it must be quite seismic for her. Prime minister of the United Kingdom. THE job she probably dreamed of as a young Lib Dem. Even as she laughed at her own silly fantasies
She needs to shape up tho. No more speeches like that
She has only had 12 weeks to write that speech and prepare for this moment...
Everyone was there to hear her, she had the nations and worlds attention not just her party, why spurn that moment like that?
As a politician you need to get yourself across, build faith in your seriousness and professionalism. As leader of a nation you have to lead it. I know people say the delivery was stilted and naff, but more importantly her team didn’t write her a speech?
It just seems a wasted moment. 🤷♀️
Worse than that... maybe she did prepare for this moment, and this is Truss on a good day...
Go on. Name a good speech she has given.
(Like a lot of politicians, she's arrived at the top badly undercooked. I'm remarkably OK as a public speaker. But that's after many years of doing it five times a day, five days a week.)
Well no, it’s not about how awful as public speaking it was, it’s how the team around her wasted the set piece moment to get important points across winning hearts and minds - it was a free hit in terms of having attention laid on, winning hearts and minds now makes it easier for the battle ahead. They should have written two strong speeches for today and tomorrow, otherwise it makes no political sense. Not to me anyway.
I rather disagree with you about today being her opportunity to win over doubters
For me it is her speech to the country outside Downing Street tomorrow afternoon about 4.00pm as she speaks as Prime Minister for the first time
Is there a market on whether we'll just get more meaningless soundbites badly delivered?
The next three days will determine Truss's future
Tomorrow 4.00pm speech to the Nation
Wednesday PMQS
Thursday statement at the dispatch box
Tories chose this girl on Monday Took her as PM on Tuesday Were regretting it by Wednesday And on Thursday and Friday and Saturday Asked for BJ on Sunday
The lack of confidence the polling shows for CoL measures does allow for a huge surprise on the upside (i know, i know) which would probably bed in a benefit of the doubt/pleasant surprise bounce for a bit. Trouble is she needs/they need to get the presentation spot on. Clear, concise and comprehensive. Feel lucky, punk?
God damn it I really thought the Frost talk was a joke, even in such a role.
I don't get it, I really don't - I despise JRM but at least he's an MP, there's just no need to give a lord a prominent role, even as a fixer, rather than be backup. You want to be high profile in government don't accept a peerage.
I don't get it either.
I'm hoping Nad gets bumped up to the Lords too so she is out of the way of the frontline stuff.
I hope she stays to finish the job on the license fee.
Liz Truss's comprehensive school was so rough they didn't even teach her to shake hands politely with the losing candidate.
The posh boys are no longer in charge of the Tories after the defeat of the Wykehamist Rishi who I am sure would have shaken hands with Truss. Truss the first state educated Tory leader since May and the first comprehensive educated Tory leader since Hague.
The posh boys are back in charge of Labour though, Starmer the first secondary school privately educated Labour leader since Blair
Starmer went to a grammar school that converted to a private school while he was there, and his family didn't pay any fees. I don't really see how that makes him posh, compared to someone who attended a £40k/year school for instance.
HYUFD persists with that canard about Starmer; I really don't see why. It's been demonstrated beyond doubt to him that he is wrong to suggest that Starmer was privately educated but he still keeps on about it. I suppose the only reason is that at the forthcoming general election the comprehensively educated Truss will be contrasted with the "privately educated " Starmer.
Starmer still went to a private school ultimately converted grammar or not.
However being a comprehensive educated leader does not necessarily help win elections. We have had 2 fully comprehensive educated party leaders at general elections so far before Truss, Hague in 2001 and Ed Miliband in 2015, both lost to the privately educated Blair and Cameron respectively. May went to a combination of private, comprehensive and grammar schools and narrowly beat the grammar school educated Corbyn in 2017.
The last state educated leader to win a general election outright against a private school educated leader was Thatcher when she beat Foot in 1983 and before that Wilson against Home in 1964. Though both Thatcher and Wilson went to grammars
When Starmer entered secondary education he did so as a result of passing a competitive examination: the 11+.
I'm pretty sure he'd have entered secondary education, however he performed in the exam.
Hard to beat the UK when the weather is this good.
Frankly pathetic compared to a standard Hebridean beach.
Or glorious Northumberland.
Depends what you want. Puttsborough boasts a superb toilet block, and has a wonderful beach shack selling seaside stuff and excellent food, at reasonable prices. And it was empty on an August weekday.
The lack of confidence the polling shows for CoL measures does allow for a huge surprise on the upside (i know, i know) which would probably bed in a benefit of the doubt/pleasant surprise bounce for a bit. Trouble is she needs/they need to get the presentation spot on. Clear, concise and comprehensive. Feel lucky, punk?
She’ll get a boost after this week (probably) because the general presentation of Truss has been that she’s anti-handout, and if there is any truth in the rumours today she is going to give everyone a whacking giant handout to pay their energy bills over winter. Hard to see how she couldn’t get a boost from that. If she doesn’t, she’s really done for.
'Scottish Labour will also sniff electoral opportunities under a Truss premiership, with leader Anas Sarwar banking on moderate SNP voters to kick out the Tories by backing his party.'
Lol, yeah, the Tories will be devastated if SNP voters in any of their 6 seats vote SLab!
Latest GB Voting Intention (4 September 2022) - Lab 43% (+1), Con 31% (0), LD 12% (0), Green 6% (-1), SNP 5% (+1), Refuk 3% (0)
No Truss bounce
She's not even PM yet. The majority of the country will only notice tomorrow. Better to wait until after her maiden Downing St speech tomorrow, her first PMQ's and then I suspect a huge package of CoL support on thursday before you see about a bounce.
The single most important thing Liz Truss needs to do is win market confidence. We're currently seeing what happens when a nation has lost credibility, interest rates rising, currency through the floor. She needs to have a "whatever it takes" moment tomorrow about combating inflation, ensuring energy prices stay down over the next two years and stepping up investment. All of this will mean hundreds of billions in borrowing over the next 3-4 years without monetary backing. Right now the biggest government fear has got to be bond investors going on strike and yields surging.
Having a very clear 5 year plan to permanently fix energy prices is the only way forwards. Any temporary measures will just make things worse.
Hopefully Liz is headstrong enough to tell the civil service to get fucked and pushes ahead with planning reform, investment reform and decoupling electricity and gas prices.
'Planning reform'? When has she promised that, other than to make it worse?
In any case, it's obvious what PMs will do in this situation, as it is what they all do whatever their situation, and it what is the quickest and easiest way to appear to get a win.
Truss has Boris fanboys hoping she fails so he comes back and a need to quickly turn things around in the polls to restore party confidence, she doesn't have time for anything substantial or considered.
She needs to find a way of removing any chance Bozo has of returning to number 10. That means either finding suitable evidence to remove the whip from Bozo or hoping that the Standards Committee find enough evidence to throw the book at him and suspend him for 10+ days...
I think the standards committee might do the job for her.
I rewatched her speech, it gets worse the more you watch.
She's going to get mullered by Sir Keir 'Boring' Starmer during the debates and general election campaign.
She's going to need to just make PMQs as dull as hell. Just answer factually. (I think that it's the right road anyway as an engagement in banter with the opposition gives far too much away.)
The single most important thing Liz Truss needs to do is win market confidence. We're currently seeing what happens when a nation has lost credibility, interest rates rising, currency through the floor. She needs to have a "whatever it takes" moment tomorrow about combating inflation, ensuring energy prices stay down over the next two years and stepping up investment. All of this will mean hundreds of billions in borrowing over the next 3-4 years without monetary backing. Right now the biggest government fear has got to be bond investors going on strike and yields surging.
Having a very clear 5 year plan to permanently fix energy prices is the only way forwards. Any temporary measures will just make things worse.
Hopefully Liz is headstrong enough to tell the civil service to get fucked and pushes ahead with planning reform, investment reform and decoupling electricity and gas prices.
'Planning reform'? When has she promised that, other than to make it worse?
In any case, it's obvious what PMs will do in this situation, as it is what they all do whatever their situation, and it what is the quickest and easiest way to appear to get a win.
Truss has Boris fanboys hoping she fails so he comes back and a need to quickly turn things around in the polls to restore party confidence, she doesn't have time for anything substantial or considered.
She needs to find a way of removing any chance Bozo has of returning to number 10. That means either finding suitable evidence to remove the whip from Bozo or hoping that the Standards Committee find enough evidence to throw the book at him and suspend him for 10+ days...
I think the standards committee might do the job for her.
She'd be under immense pressure to save him though. She's been provided a pretext to do so (Boris being smarter than Paterson, and getting the gov to pay for legal advice, not just to whinge)
Liz Truss's comprehensive school was so rough they didn't even teach her to shake hands politely with the losing candidate.
The posh boys are no longer in charge of the Tories after the defeat of the Wykehamist Rishi who I am sure would have shaken hands with Truss. Truss the first state educated Tory leader since May and the first comprehensive educated Tory leader since Hague.
The posh boys are back in charge of Labour though, Starmer the first secondary school privately educated Labour leader since Blair
Starmer went to a grammar school that converted to a private school while he was there, and his family didn't pay any fees. I don't really see how that makes him posh, compared to someone who attended a £40k/year school for instance.
HYUFD persists with that canard about Starmer; I really don't see why. It's been demonstrated beyond doubt to him that he is wrong to suggest that Starmer was privately educated but he still keeps on about it. I suppose the only reason is that at the forthcoming general election the comprehensively educated Truss will be contrasted with the "privately educated " Starmer.
Starmer still went to a private school ultimately converted grammar or not.
However being a comprehensive educated leader does not necessarily help win elections. We have had 2 fully comprehensive educated party leaders at general elections so far before Truss, Hague in 2001 and Ed Miliband in 2015, both lost to the privately educated Blair and Cameron respectively. May went to a combination of private, comprehensive and grammar schools and narrowly beat the grammar school educated Corbyn in 2017.
The last state educated leader to win a general election outright against a private school educated leader was Thatcher when she beat Foot in 1983 and before that Wilson against Home in 1964. Though both Thatcher and Wilson went to grammars
When Starmer entered secondary education he did so as a result of passing a competitive examination: the 11+.
When he left secondary education, he also left from a private school and as even you state before that it was a grammar school not a comprehensive school.
You may not like it but the next general election will be the first time a comprehensive educated Tory leader has faced a privately educated Labour leader since Blair faced Hague in 2001. Though you can console yourself that Blair win that election
I rewatched her speech, it gets worse the more you watch.
She's going to get mullered by Sir Keir 'Boring' Starmer during the debates and general election campaign.
She's going to need to just make PMQs as dull as hell. Just answer factually. (I think that it's the right road anyway as an engagement in banter with the opposition gives far too much away.)
I think it would really stump an opposition to answer in relatively straightforward, but brief, fashion. At this point everyone is prepared for a back and forth, trading insults, instead just answer blandly, maybe with an ending quip about getting on and delivering to get a roar of approval, without it being constant, phoney boosting from the backbenches.
On reflection, and having had a soothing pastel de nata, and a glass of cold white, staring at the mighty Atlantic, I am going to cut Liz T some slack and presume she was overwhelmed by the magnitude of everything when she won. Hence her awful speech
And to be fair it must be quite seismic for her. Prime minister of the United Kingdom. THE job she probably dreamed of as a young Lib Dem. Even as she laughed at her own silly fantasies
She needs to shape up tho. No more speeches like that
She has only had 12 weeks to write that speech and prepare for this moment...
Everyone was there to hear her, she had the nations and worlds attention not just her party, why spurn that moment like that?
As a politician you need to get yourself across, build faith in your seriousness and professionalism. As leader of a nation you have to lead it. I know people say the delivery was stilted and naff, but more importantly her team didn’t write her a speech?
It just seems a wasted moment. 🤷♀️
Worse than that... maybe she did prepare for this moment, and this is Truss on a good day...
Go on. Name a good speech she has given.
(Like a lot of politicians, she's arrived at the top badly undercooked. I'm remarkably OK as a public speaker. But that's after many years of doing it five times a day, five days a week.)
Well no, it’s not about how awful as public speaking it was, it’s how the team around her wasted the set piece moment to get important points across winning hearts and minds - it was a free hit in terms of having attention laid on, winning hearts and minds now makes it easier for the battle ahead. They should have written two strong speeches for today and tomorrow, otherwise it makes no political sense. Not to me anyway.
I rather disagree with you about today being her opportunity to win over doubters
For me it is her speech to the country outside Downing Street tomorrow afternoon about 4.00pm as she speaks as Prime Minister for the first time
Is there a market on whether we'll just get more meaningless soundbites badly delivered?
The next three days will determine Truss's future
Tomorrow 4.00pm speech to the Nation
Wednesday PMQS
Thursday statement at the dispatch box
Tories chose this girl on Monday Took her as PM on Tuesday Were regretting it by Wednesday And on Thursday and Friday and Saturday Asked for BJ on Sunday
And chilled all winter if she doesn't get the energy plan right.
Liz Truss's comprehensive school was so rough they didn't even teach her to shake hands politely with the losing candidate.
The posh boys are no longer in charge of the Tories after the defeat of the Wykehamist Rishi who I am sure would have shaken hands with Truss. Truss the first state educated Tory leader since May and the first comprehensive educated Tory leader since Hague.
The posh boys are back in charge of Labour though, Starmer the first secondary school privately educated Labour leader since Blair
Starmer went to a grammar school that converted to a private school while he was there, and his family didn't pay any fees. I don't really see how that makes him posh, compared to someone who attended a £40k/year school for instance.
HYUFD persists with that canard about Starmer; I really don't see why. It's been demonstrated beyond doubt to him that he is wrong to suggest that Starmer was privately educated but he still keeps on about it. I suppose the only reason is that at the forthcoming general election the comprehensively educated Truss will be contrasted with the "privately educated " Starmer.
Starmer still went to a private school ultimately converted grammar or not.
However being a comprehensive educated leader does not necessarily help win elections. We have had 2 fully comprehensive educated party leaders at general elections so far before Truss, Hague in 2001 and Ed Miliband in 2015, both lost to the privately educated Blair and Cameron respectively. May went to a combination of private, comprehensive and grammar schools and narrowly beat the grammar school educated Corbyn in 2017.
The last state educated leader to win a general election outright against a private school educated leader was Thatcher when she beat Foot in 1983 and before that Wilson against Home in 1964. Though both Thatcher and Wilson went to grammars
When Starmer entered secondary education he did so as a result of passing a competitive examination: the 11+.
When he left secondary education, he also left from a private school and as even you state before that it was a grammar school not a comprehensive school.
You may not like it but the next general election will be the first time a comprehensive educated Tory leader has faced a privately educated Labour leader since Blair faced Hague in 2001. Though you can console yourself that Blair win that election
Did Starmers family pay any fees, or was his a council funded place?
I rewatched her speech, it gets worse the more you watch.
She's going to get mullered by Sir Keir 'Boring' Starmer during the debates and general election campaign.
She's going to need to just make PMQs as dull as hell. Just answer factually. (I think that it's the right road anyway as an engagement in banter with the opposition gives far too much away.)
Her simple an truthful answer: "I don't know". At least then she won't get done for lying to parliament.
BBC economics editor saying that Truss and her team are engaged with energy companies as of now to agree a 2 year energy price cap for consumers at a cost of approximately 90 billion
Additional a price cap of some sort will also apply to small businesses inflating the figure over £100 billion
If Truss announces this scheme or something similar than the debate changes and of course consumers will be relieved
And before anyone says windfall taxes will pay for this they simply will not, and it is likely to be a scheme payable over 20 years on energy bills
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https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1566819528155201536?s=20&t=wxPW-kLuKnv0s7lQIwcQ2g
But it is worth remembering that Russia has been an informal member of OPEC for a while.
It is certainly sad, though, that so many states that depend on the West for security have chosen to do something that can only benefit Putin.
Took her as PM on Tuesday
Were regretting it by Wednesday
And on Thursday and Friday and Saturday
Asked for BJ on Sunday
UK's new PM Liz Truss wins by smaller margin than expected http://reut.rs/3TNPqfQ https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1566823809403043843/photo/1
Trouble is she needs/they need to get the presentation spot on. Clear, concise and comprehensive.
Feel lucky, punk?
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/liz-truss-looks-like-fag-27913566
She's going to get mullered by Sir Keir 'Boring' Starmer during the debates and general election campaign.
https://inews.co.uk/opinion/i-have-not-yet-seen-any-evidence-that-liz-truss-is-up-to-the-job-of-being-prime-minister-1834020
Nadine for foreign secretary, and mi'lord Frost as minister for intellectual, cultural and diplomatic development.
Lol, yeah, the Tories will be devastated if SNP voters in any of their 6 seats vote SLab!
You may not like it but the next general election will be the first time a comprehensive educated Tory leader
has faced a privately educated
Labour leader since Blair faced Hague in 2001. Though you can console yourself that Blair win that election
Only 41% of Tory voter pleased or very pleased by her victory.
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2022/09/05/50-22-britons-are-disappointed-liz-truss-will-be-n
Additional a price cap of some sort will also apply to small businesses inflating the figure over £100 billion
If Truss announces this scheme or something similar than the debate changes and of course consumers will be relieved
And before anyone says windfall taxes will pay for this they simply will not, and it is likely to be a scheme payable over 20 years on energy bills